To me, Jordan Pickford is the best goalie we can afford. I also think he's still the best English goalie currently playing, albeit there's now a smidge of meaningful competition. In fact, I also think he's in the top six keepers in the Premier League, regardless of nationality.
That's my case FOR him.
My case against him is that he comes across as a bit thick. This is admittedly a subjective comment on his personality but, if it forms any part of the opinion on the players in front of him during games, it's a big problem for the team, and the fans, and Moshiri. By way of contrast, Neville Southall, a bin-man and hod carrier back in the day, always came across as a the picture of sober excellence, even when he once famously squatted, for bloody good reason as far as I was concerned, throughout half-time, leaning on a goalpost as the rest of the team retreated to the dressing room to discuss another wretched first-half performance.
That said, Pickford is now on the cusp of being 26 years old. I really think he needs to now “get his head together” on and off the field in order to progress to the level we enjoyed with Nev and Nigel Martyn – especially in view of the crap squad he played with – both of them being the same height as him, and both, in their different ways, being peerless 'keepers.
Top teams have top 'keepers, as well as top defenders, midfielders and strikers.
Hopefully Jordan can very soon supply the fantastic base of our next trophy-winning side.
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1 Posted 25/01/2020 at 07:14:50
They always talk about the "spine" of the team being most important.
We have seen this with Man City. They went out and got a top goalie and centre half in Laporte and went up another level. Laporte got injured and their results wavered. Big difference seeing their results with and without him.
Our neighbours, close but not close enough, suffered in the goalie and centre half positions.
They went out got a top goalie and centre half and hey presto, say no more.
The complete spine of our team is missing.
DCL is trying as best he can and fingers crossed he can take that step up now he has been told to be more selfish, and, get help in a more 2 up top set up.
Centre half we are still struggling.
Holgate has improved massively recently but we still need a leader, a dominant player, in that position.
In my opinion, until we get rid of the clown presently between the sticks we will continually suffer.
I have no doubt some will reply to your post with a stack full of statistics to show he is great.
I prefer to use my eyes.
I see a guy who cannot take charge of his own 6 yard box, let alone penalty area.
I see a guy who's antics in the box causes panic in the defenders. Rather than a calm commanding influence he is the complete opposite
His distribution at times is quite unbelievable.
He may well be a good "shot stopper" but there's a lot more about being a goalie than that and the 2 you mentioned, Big Nev and Martyn prove that.
Unless he gets some treatment very soon I think we will have to look elsewhere
2 Posted 25/01/2020 at 09:08:03
Some of his weaknesses are obviously in the penalty area, but they don't seem to have been worked on. Pickford needs a mentor. He has personality traits that needs ironed out and only a good mentor could achieve this. I think he has learn't his lesson off the pitch.
It has become apparent that Siva though he worked hard, individual coaching was poor. Ancelotti is gradually improving the individual coaching. Silva coaching targets where attacking and defending in the Silva system. As long as a player did both be got selected, no matter what the level of performance was regarding attacking space, pass completion going forward or finishing. Ancelotti is working progressively in all these areas. I expect Pickford will be getting individual attention, it is already showing in some aspects of his game.
I think judging Pickfords performance on the behind the line save is harsh, given the ping pong nature of the play up to it. There where multiple failings earlier in the play.
The Everton players have been under successive poor individual Coaches. They are being coached individually now. I don't expect Everton to transfer in players until this is sorted out.
3 Posted 25/01/2020 at 09:20:23
Don, you say you rank him in the top 6 keepers in the league. We are not in the top 6, so we are, in your opinion, 'over-achieving' as far as the goalkeeping position is concerned. And therein lies the problem, who do we buy who is available, we can afford and is better all round than Pickford?
As far as I can make out, unless there is some unknown foreign gem waiting to be picked up, there is nobody around that wouldn't risk trading one set of weaknesses for another. How much did Chelsea pay for Kepa - and now the fans are complaining that he isn't good enough!
I think we stick with Pickford - there are far more urgent areas of concern that need addressing first.
4 Posted 25/01/2020 at 09:45:50
May aswell stuck with Ruddy.
5 Posted 25/01/2020 at 09:52:40
I dont trust him, he doesn't command his area and he cant deal with crosses
He makes the ocassiobaly excellent saves like at West Ham away but then costs us repeatedly in so many other matches eg Liverpool this season (awful positioning for Origis goals), Newcastle, Spurs etc
Hes a clown of the first order...please please please get rid
6 Posted 25/01/2020 at 10:06:04
I'd certainly look to move him on in the summer if someone offers the money back we paid.
7 Posted 25/01/2020 at 10:10:12
Hes not improving and I dont think it will be long till one of Dean Henderson or Nick Pope have replaced him. This season there are 7 English keepers in the league with a superior save percentage!
8 Posted 25/01/2020 at 10:55:18
9 Posted 25/01/2020 at 11:09:17
The perception of him has already been set by the media, almost as soon as he earned his first cap for England but especially when he joined Everton. He's very unfortunate to have come to Everton, when the club has been in major crisis mode for most of his time here. How much of that is down to the lad himself and how much has been down to having a bunch of air-head defenders around him is difficult to say.
I'd stick with him for another year, but if he can't eradicate the errors in his game, we'll have to replace him, with a more steady eddie type of keeper, but who would pay big bucks for Pickford?
Alan Kelly has the rest of this season to coach Pickford and hopefully iron out any issues that Jordan has, but unfortunately some things can't be coached.
10 Posted 25/01/2020 at 11:38:29
Think of the best goalkeepers - Martyn, Seaman, Shilton, Banks. All of them are big and steady, reliable and solid. All of them are quiet and inscrutable, built like a barn door. Now think of Pickford and Hart - erratic, weird, over the top and unpredictable.
I ain't having him.
11 Posted 25/01/2020 at 11:41:54
Duncan Fergusion brought Alan Kelly back, after he was sacked by Silva, who was not the greatest defensive strategist. Pickford probably wanted him back and Duncan probably recognised a fellow sufferer.
Alan Kelly Jr has all the credentials to be good goalkeeping coach at Everton, having serviced a wide ranging apprenticeship, and more importantly become a beneficial mentor to Pickford.
Ancelotti has kept Alan Kelly on as goalkeeping coach. It's early days, but Pickford has shown improvement. It is not within Ancelottis plans to replace Pickford at the moment and he certainly did not blame him for the goal, saved behind the line.
12 Posted 25/01/2020 at 11:49:36
13 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:03:44
I don't think he will ever be a top keeper owing to what's between his ears. His mentality actually reminds me of a striker. He has extreme confidence in his own ability and is able to shrug off criticism and errors and he's rather cocky and arrogant. Unfortunately, I don't think that mentality serves keepers well!
14 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:09:25
Pickford should be getting better at his positioning, but has been caught out several times this season. Some of his handling is excellent and I can't criticise him at crosses too much when the defence is playing zonal marking.
He does try to be too involved in the play, wanting to provide killer passes only to skew any of his punts into Row Z. He may lack intelligence and he does make rash decisions but he has also pulled off some cracking saves.
All-in-all, he is not our biggest problem.
15 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:19:09
Making the occasional flashy save does not make you a good shot stopper. Saving a high percentage of shots in comparison to your peers does.
He has good agility and that makes the saves he does make look spectacular at times. But his save percentage is way down in the league.
Hes really not that good and if someone were to offer us £30-40m after a decent Euros 2020 Id absolutely bite their arm off.
16 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:30:20
If I were Brands, I'd be hoping for exactly that. Pickford to have a good euros, a penalty save or two. Sell him on the up, as you proffer and help us with FFP.
The best keeper don't make saves, they organize and exude calm. Pickford simply doesn't have the mental discipline to be the very best.
17 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:51:12
As Eddie said, we have bigger issues to focus on at the moment.
18 Posted 25/01/2020 at 12:58:32
It's a tricky one because I would like to see Lossl given a go (why was he bought if not to provide some competition?) but I can see that the Euros will make that difficult for Pickford to accept and who knows where that would lead?
I would stick with him.
19 Posted 25/01/2020 at 13:08:54
20 Posted 25/01/2020 at 13:36:50
Some people think we have more pressing matters than to replace the keeper, and although Im not one for stats, the ones Sam, provides on Pickford, are quite worrying, because when I watch Everton play, our goalkeeper never seems to be in-command, or in-sink, with his defence.
I wonder if Ferguson dropped Lössl, because he might not have much respect for him? Pure speculation on my part, but surely he was too young to come to Everton as an understudy? and although we are not privy to what goes on at F/F, he definitely seems to have come to Everton for both the money and the easy life, to have made such a decision for such a young footballer imo.
A good goalkeeper is often the difference between winning and losing, so for that reason, I personally think it might just be the most important position on the pitch? if not, its certainly got to be the most underestimated position, especially when people talk about even more important matters, (midfield, right wing and centre back) which just shows the size of the job Ancellotti has taken on.
21 Posted 25/01/2020 at 14:22:29
22 Posted 25/01/2020 at 14:40:42
Find another reason.
23 Posted 25/01/2020 at 15:15:28
There is a massive difference in them and Pickford looking at the Newcastle goals.
For the first one, if Martyn or Southall would have come for that ball, they would have got to it and taken everyone in their path out with them. And it would have looked like a regular collection of a cross.
For the second goal. The first shot that rebounds off the post - Pickford comes, then hesitates, then moves again. Either Martyn or Southall would have been positioned on the front post and, when the first shot is hit, a big hand would have come out and palmed it wide. Again, it would have liked like a regular stop.
Truly great keepers dont always make the headline grabbing saves, but they do make things look calm and easy.
24 Posted 25/01/2020 at 15:39:33
In my view he wasn't. He was a relegation goalkeeper who spread panic through a poor defence; looking good in MOTD highlights but a pretty average all round goal keeper.
To me he has got no better. It is astonishing and an indictment of English goalkeepers that he has a single cap.However, we are stuck with him. He is a flapping, blame apportioning over mouthy, self satisfied second rater.
This is, at the moment, neither here nor there.He is limited in a limited team.We all hope, though, that we are soon going places and if we are Jordan Pickford will be gone.
25 Posted 25/01/2020 at 15:46:41
The problem would be replacing him. As people have said, hes only 26 so could have 10 years or more left at the top level. I think that is what will protect his value for us. Even looking around Europe its hard to name many top class keepers anymore.
We need to remember kasper Schmeichels tragetory. Its only the last 5 years hes truly been appreciated. Before that he was in danger of being a journeyman after he left man city to drop down the league. Now on his 30s hes a terrific, solid, reliable keeper.
26 Posted 25/01/2020 at 16:24:11
27 Posted 25/01/2020 at 16:27:39
28 Posted 25/01/2020 at 17:16:30
Sam #15, I disagree. Pickford makes saves many other keepers can't, because of his quickness. And while his lack of height may keep him from reaching top corner shots, he also gets down to low shots as well as any keeper in the Prem.
And to me, one measure of whether a keeper is a good shot-stopper is the Howler Factor -- how often a keeper loses concentration and lets an easy shot bounce off his hands into the net, or leak between his legs and trickle in. Those are devastating to a club. We've seen several this year from De Gea, Kepa, Ederson, all the top keepers in the league. But none from Pickford. Ever. Do a Google search on "Pickford howler" and the only entry you get is the Anfield blunder. Pickford makes every single save he's supposed to, and I think that contributes to the assessment that he's a top shot-stopper.
I do think we'll need a better keeper for the Champions League in 2022, but there are about 7 other positions on the pitch that require addressing first.
29 Posted 25/01/2020 at 17:37:52
30 Posted 25/01/2020 at 17:46:12
The standard of goalkeeping today is just awful considering the protection they are afforded by referees.
Mike, the Howler factor only matters if we are talking Sprake -like howlers on a regular basis. What we need is a calm, reassuring goalkeeper who fills the defence with confidence. That isn't and will never be Pickford. Somethings can be coached. Presence can't.
31 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:07:45
32 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:08:43
33 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:24:24
34 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:25:16
Todays pansies aka the modern gk cant even do the basics and, heavens forbid, resist physical contact. The great goalies of the past eg Jennings, Stepney, Southall, Wood, Banks etc... would put this bunch to shame.
35 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:38:38
36 Posted 25/01/2020 at 19:19:30
Cast your minds back ten years or so, goalies being totally bamboozled by modern balls doing all sorts of UFO-style distortions through the air, the poor keepers being made to look like utter dunces as the spherical swines managed to avert their waiting grasps.
Hence the new directive to volleyball -swat them somewhere else.
Pickford can catch. Iv'e seen him pull off some super catches. That ain't his problem.
Recalling goalies of the past, I have seen plenty of howlers at Goodison and beyond.
On the question of height, I think that Dai Davies was 6 foot. He was a steady goalie, but not top class.
Indeed height is only measured to the top of your head. I was 5 foot 11, but now, at the age of 59, I suspect I am closer to 5 foot 10. My arms though, are long. Surely a better gauge of keeper would be the height of the man with his arms straight upwards. Some chaps of my height would still be able to grasp a ball standing still, better than a taller chap with shorter arms. Then of course there is the question of the ability of the keeper to jump.
All these things need to be looked at.
Then there is the weight. Nev now would most likely injure anyone near him, regardless of shirt colour, thus resulting in huge costs to the PL insurance scheme and penalties aplenty.
There is more to this golakeeping lark than meets the eye.
37 Posted 25/01/2020 at 19:20:59
38 Posted 25/01/2020 at 19:52:33
These days, they can't even punch a ball clear or was I spoilt growing up with Nev? But then again when I played between the sticks (scarcely) I knew to catch the pig skin whilst raising my knee so any challenge would be met with broken ribs/being winded or getting a forearm in the mush. Goalies can get away with murders, protected species they are.
A shot stopper is not enough, but then again that is the basic requirement of a goalie.
39 Posted 25/01/2020 at 20:03:19
I gotta have a beer with you the next time I come over. You must be a blast to talk to.
40 Posted 25/01/2020 at 20:18:29
I think Spurs done Sunderland 4-0 or 5-0 at the Lane. That game stood out but it could have been an FA Cup match versus a non-league team.
In my view despite wishing for all around improvements in his game, I don't see him improving too much, and unless we get a rock-solid defence, he will always flap and pan nick.
The RS mauling last month, was scary, and it's the wrong type of press now.
I'd at least try Jonas, for a few games, but it seems that he's not backed too much by the management staff, nor by too many on a TW.
Long term, I reckon, as long as he's in the England squad, EFC, will stay content. But the time will run and I'm sure Carlo, must know this key position is an Achilles heel, behind at times an open gate defence.
There's no comparison as stated on here with keepers of yesteryear, who were born leaders and inspiration on the park.
Times and styles change, but I'd love us to have Jan Oblak.
41 Posted 25/01/2020 at 20:26:22
42 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:17:43
Constantly beaten at his near post, Manchester City last and this season and Lyon in the Europa league at Goodison springs to mind. Constantly beaten by high shots where he jumps to early or too late, Liverpool last season and this season. Erratic and cocky he runs out of his box too often, Tottenham last season, and misses punches a lot, Newcastle this season.
He saves the shot which he should save but makes the save look so Hollywood we all think ‘wow, what a save then when hes called upon to save another, he flaps it.
I said it 2 years ago, give me Joe Hart over him any day, now Im saying give me Ben Foster over him anyday. The lad drives me insane and I know where I would be aiming if I was a striker against him. High and placed or hard and low.
43 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:18:30
On the grounds that Im not a snitch, Im not mentioning Neville Southalls one, and that cost us the game as well.
44 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:52:43
Id like to think the fortune cookies, will be kind soon and EFC get some robust solutions, to our positional issues.
This could be dissected to each position, but for me the GK, at EFC, is huge.
If we get a great GK, or develop one, (soon) the psyche and dynamic of the team changes for the better.
That leads to improved performance and consistency, doesnt guarantee success, but enhances the chances of success and winning trophies.
Time will tell.
45 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:03:01
The ball moves through the air quicker and also deviates more with the development of the balls used.
Goalkeepers also have to able to pick passes out more and deal with back passes like outfield players.
The TV coverage has 20 cameras picking up every mistake. Chances are that Tuesdays goal wouldn't have been given before goal line technology was introduced.
Reputations seem to grow with time. Southall was the best around at the time. Even he would struggle with today's kicking and the swerve on the ball.
A good goalie makes good decisions and in Pickford's case he is prone to absolute howlers.
Both of the Newcastle debacles and the RS away shocker are enough for me want a new goalie in time. We need a midfield before getting rid.
46 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:10:28
We might have bigger problems than Pickford, but at a time when we're balancing the books for FFP, I wouldn't be averse to selling a mistake-ridden keeper, buying at least a half-decent one and having some change.
47 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:26:30
But as stated different pitches, balls and a different game.
Showing our age, but thats it. I always remember Leao, Brazil, Jongblodd, Holland, and Sepp Maier, Germany and Dino Zeffirellis, as charismatic goal keepers, whom could do the business, consistently between the sticks, over decades
Yep lets hope we find another a Big Nev, soon.
48 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:37:20
The thing is, just like then, there's a pile of ordinary clanger-ridden keepers now. And just like then, we've got one and I want a better one. They all make mistakes, but one that I could trust would be a start.
49 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:40:57
50 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:45:08
And Paul @47, not only was Dino Zeffirelli a top keeper but he also directed some sound films😉
51 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:27:16
When we signed Dave Lawson, I think he was the most expensive British goalie, which is a shock thinking back, as my memories of him are that he was very average.
I doubt Pickford will ever become top class, like Nev, Shilts or Clemence, but in time, like a naughty dog, he might just calm down. However, as he gets older and more decrepit, he won't be as agile and thus won't make those Hollywood saves.
Like in rugby, times have changed, the game has also altered and now keepers are being asked to use their feet much more. Some of them are enormous, and can reach far higher than even the best salmon leaping striker. Strange times.
I heard that Ederson is the best penalty taker in Man City's team,- superb at it in training. He is also the best in the air, using his head, thanks to his father who used to throw balls to him, shouting "Header, son".
52 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:30:28
No one contested Big Nevs, stature, when he played, such was his well established and earned aura, based on true grit, graft, respect and professionalism and bloody hard work.
By getting the basics right, in what is the hardest position in any football team, verbal communications, pre planning etc or the training ground drills, youd expect in any football team to do, then, the team has a talisman, and if a good team perhaps, a midfielder, forward or wing back, that stands out from the rest.
I see Jordan, as not beyond redemption, but very close to that point, as hes been around now, a good few years, and in my view m its any time now for, a Stan Laurel, clearance, punch, or throw.
I want the lad to be good, but now my gut instinct, right or wrong tells, me, theres the chance of a boobie, any time soon. I think he means well, tries too hard, gets wound up, ego, and self contrives to unintentionally sell a goal, like on Tuesday, against the Toon, and other very fatal defeats, of late v the RS.
Thats not conceding, but the basic GK failings, positional, clearance, command of the box.
People will remember Westie, and from the other side, Whom the RS, called the “Flying Pig”.
Both compensated by dedication and commitment and team work, and good communication, in them days nurtured by good club captains.
It seems that since the days of Rats, and Wag, Arteta, when, but generally, thats another key issue, in terms of personality, at EFC, in choice of the club Captain..
Love Seamus, to bits, but like Jags, theres no devil in both of the, to kick arse and keep the team together on the park..
Well we could all write the equivalent of War & Peace, individually, very well.
Christ, knows, EFC, needs, deliverance, very, very, soon, as many of us, will be, based on the run rate of form, be in the Top Balc, in the Sky, as it stands, alas, taking into account our life time awards for following the EFC, cause.
In Carlo,we trust for deliverance. Soon.
Thats the way it is,
53 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:38:51
He lacks the physique to command his 6-yard box, most notably at set-pieces. He struggles to reach anything heading towards the top corner. He lacks positional sense. He turns what should be routine saves into a drama. He fails to communicate effectively with his defenders. He seemingly has a compulsion to make an impact on matches, hence his madcap dashes off his line.
It has not helped that he has had at least four goalkeeping coaches since he joined us but by now I would have hoped he might have settled down to be the model of consistency we need. Instead he looks on a par with David Lawson, a keeper capable of making great saves but not reliable.
It used to be said that keepers reach their peak in their early thirties. I am not sure that still applies. The modern game places additional demands on keepers in terms of their ability to distribute the ball quickly and accurately. Back in the eighties the likes of Shilton, Clemence and Jennings could take a breather themselves and give their teammates a breather by gathering endless back passes before taking an age to launch it up to the centre circle.
54 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:41:29
Scottish, and my memory was, what I'd recall another typical Scottish keeper! For the time... He played only a couple of games to show Billy Bingham, Gordon etc etc he was another Stewart Kennedy to be.
Uncanny, but it also tells me something of the perhaps old school, theories of footballers from North of the Border, in them days, and no offences meant to any Scots, on ToffeeWeb, as some of my best friends are Scottish.
And thus here we are now with an EFC, in question, for the wrong reasons, overall.
55 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:41:59
Shilton was weak on crosses and so was Nev actually, especially after his injury.
Pickford just needs someone to calm him down. Over time Ancelotti will do it. He plays better on the whole for England than he does for us. We need to get him to that consistent level for Everton and I think we will.
We can't just throw everything out because we're not in the top 6. He's a worry, but he's a manageable worry.
56 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:49:45
They don't dominate in the air. They punch out crosses instead of catching them. Terrible.
57 Posted 25/01/2020 at 00:00:17
A good goalkeeper, who's Lee Marvin, in guts, determination and Neville Southall, Nigel Martyn, in focus and application, is invaluable.
Hence my rhetoric about the best goalkeepers. EFC, needs one... Soon.
It's a massive puzzle, but in view of catching good players, we need a good goalkeeper, whose reliable and focused, and works hard.
In Oblak, he shows the traits of the old values and performances, prove this.
58 Posted 26/01/2020 at 00:27:53
Till the next TW Beer Fest!
59 Posted 26/01/2020 at 00:55:28
60 Posted 26/01/2020 at 02:26:26
61 Posted 26/01/2020 at 03:50:47
62 Posted 26/01/2020 at 08:57:33
* Some question Pickford's mental state and the fact that he can be got at by the crowd. Well, Southall was hardly a model of sanity himself was he? And Gordon West used wind up the Kopites.
* Some question Pickford's distribution which can be erratic, particularly when dealing with poor back passes that put him under pressure. Under little pressure, his distribution is actually very good. It's one of the stated reasons for why he is England's regular No 1. But we know more than the selectors don't we?
* Some people advocate giving Lössl a chance, others point out that Pickford appeared good on TV in a relegation struggle. Err, Lössl – Huddersfield?? There's a reason Lössl doesn't play – he's actually not very good!
* Wolves would be interested in Pickford? Really, their goalie is one of the best in the league. Two years ago, Hart would have been a good choice? The same Hart that was No 3 at Burnley and roundly criticised by Burnley and Aston Villa fans?
* Pope and Henderson would be good replacements? The former, although flavour of the month, dropped an absolute clanger at Chelsea a few weeks ago and gets down to low shots like a sack of potatoes. Henderson? Maybe, I thought he was remarkably lucky at Goodison earlier this season. Jury's out... but, if he's that good, he'll be replacing De Gea soon. Have we all forgotten his blooper against Liverpool?
* Then there's the idea that former goalies were superior to today's. Really? Not just rose-tinted spectacles? In the days of little or no TV coverage / scrutiny, who knows what mistakes the undoubted greats made? The game / ball was totally different then anyway.
Pickford has undoubted limitations such as struggling with high balls, mistiming his jumps, lack of commanding presence but most alternatives that we could afford would be tradeoffs. It's just not a priority area at the moment, I'm afraid.
I could pick any position / player in our team and do a similar pros and cons evaluation. I'd nearly always be able to come up with a better alternative. If only we had unlimited budget, there was no FFP, could find a willing selling club and we had Champions League football. Only buy / sell when we come up with a better alternative that we can actually afford.
Paul #54, Drew Brand did indeed play in a midweek match v Newcastle at the end of the 76-77 season – his only appearance I believe.
63 Posted 26/01/2020 at 09:18:13
His positional sense for a small keeper is dreadful. His long punts upfield just give the ball back to the opposition. £30 to 40 million offer I'd take it and get yer man from Newcastle. Sorry, can't spell his name.
64 Posted 26/01/2020 at 09:29:21
65 Posted 26/01/2020 at 09:49:22
Pickford is the biggest problem we have of the playing staff. I don't understand why many can't see it.
Great keepers mean you can play shit and still not lose. We lose or draw when we have played well, many times, thanks to Pickford, but we all end up blaming everyone else.
66 Posted 26/01/2020 at 13:11:49
Unless we can get a real improvement, like a Gianluigi Donnarumma, which would be £100+million and still no guarantees (look at Kepa at Chelsea), then I really can't imagine getting any great improvement.
Pope? Really? Based on a couple of saves when playing us? Cause Burnley are doing so brilliantly, obviously. Beggars belief.
Is Pickford perfect? Far from it, but he is far from our biggest problem, and top-class keepers are not easy (or cheap) to come by.
I think our biggest hope is that young Virginia can reach his supposed potential, and he can overtake Pickford in a couple of years.
67 Posted 26/01/2020 at 13:29:12
This was Roberto's strategy with Deulofeu, Stones, Lukaku and Barkley. It was a good strategy let down by the fact that Martinez wasn't as good a coach as he believed. It is the same sort of strategy that should come good with Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Kean, Davies, Gordon and to an extent Richarlison.
The Pickford replacement should be identified as a 20-ish-year-old with a view to claiming the Number 1 slot in circa 2 seasons. That might be Virginia or it might be Tyrer or AN Other (the lad at Gillingham we've been watching). In the meantime, worth persisting with a good but erratic keeper and investing big bucks elsewhere. Very few significant improvements on Pickford around and they will want / expect Champions League football.
68 Posted 26/01/2020 at 13:47:50
Dino Zoff was blessed with having in front of him some of the best defenders and midfield units ever assembled at club level and international level.
As Don has said also, having this level of screening and professionalism in front of the goalkeeper, does make life easier.
I don't see at any level the Row Z, route, unless in an emergency. Jordan Pickford, in perhaps 50% of his kicks, cedes possession to the opposition.
Teams like Chelsea, Man City and our neighbours rarely do the number of unforced errors that we've seen the last 18 months. The cup game earlier this month, and their goal, summed it up.
69 Posted 26/01/2020 at 13:52:14
It's scary where the years have gone.
70 Posted 26/01/2020 at 17:36:37
71 Posted 26/01/2020 at 20:02:04
72 Posted 26/01/2020 at 21:32:28
73 Posted 27/01/2020 at 00:16:43
All keepers make mistakes. If it was just the odd mistake he was making, I could live with that. But he transmits panic in addition to making the odd mistake, and that is not what you want from your goalkeeper. He didnt have anything to do the other night until the 94th minute. He ended up flapping at a cross and then compounded it by running behind the line for their equaliser!
Hopefully someone is working with him to help him maintain focus and be calm, he could only improve if he was less frantic.
74 Posted 27/01/2020 at 08:17:02
75 Posted 27/01/2020 at 09:38:17
Banks and Shilton lost plenty of games in average teams... you're only as good as the players in front of you.
The Flying Pig... also reliable and (very) solid... only conceded 34 in one 42 game season.
West could get wound up and be temperamental, which all went away once the team in front of him firmed up... he got wound up and temperamental again when the team struggled in 70-71 season.
Hopefully Pickford will mature and play better as (if) the team gets better.
It's also the Manager's job to replace players if he can find somebody better... I think all the top ten goalies are spoken for though.
76 Posted 27/01/2020 at 12:44:47
Also, he kicks the ball to either the left wing or right wing, so close to the touchline that our forwards or wingers don't have any room to control or move the ball as they have defenders all over them.
Would it be too hard for him to mostly throw the ball out to defenders or midfielders? Gordon West would throw the ball as far as the halfway line, it nearly always went to an Everton player. Fans should watch the 1966 FA Cup Final and see how Gordon only gave the ball away once from a throw-out.
Pickford's main problem is that he doesn't learn from his mistakes; either this is due to arrogance or stupidity.
77 Posted 27/01/2020 at 13:16:46
If you watched Everton U23s, then you'd know a lot of their success was down to a good defence. We are a counter-attacking side who defend well, first and foremost. Other sides had the skill and flamboyance. Virginia was in goal for the last title-winning side. Virginia played 12 of the 22 games (he only played if it did not clash with first-team duties) and in those 12 games, he kept 9 clean sheets.
If you look at that side, then you'd see there was no real stars. Okay, 17-year-old Anthony Gordon played, but he was most often a sub. The goal scorers were Sambou (11) and Hornby (5).
Sambou was released and now plays for Fortuna Sittard in the Dutch top flight, battling relegation with just two goals from 18 games. Hornby is retained by Everton but loaned to the Belgian top flight where he plays for KV and has scored 3 in 10.
Who else were stars? Broadhead (Burton on loan), Bowler (Hull), Evans (can't get a decent loan), Charsley (released). Virginia played a big part in winning the double.
Unsworth has been commenting on the failed loan, and reminding everyone the lad is a baby in keeper terms. He's still only 20 and has a lot of developing to do. Hopefully, he can recover his confidence and form in the PL2 and get himself back on loan next season when he will be more mature and hopefully better able to grab the opportunity.
78 Posted 27/01/2020 at 00:06:27
The day of just being able to be a shot stopper have long gone. We all want Neuer in his prime in goal. The best in the premier league for me, by todays standards is Ederson. I cant actually think off the top of my head of any mistake hes made in his career at city. Somebody will know one!
That is the barometer, and if we compare Pickford to Ederson, Oblak, alisson, ter Stegen, he falls well short. But so does everybody else!
79 Posted 28/01/2020 at 00:28:09
They boss the box even flattening their own players to get to a ball and they organize their defenders constantly prompting them.
Pickford is poor at both of these and mentally is a bag of nerves himself. Hardly a recipe for a calm organized defence.
His strengths are his agility and quick reactions but he wouldnt get himself in some of these positions if he calmed down a bit.
80 Posted 28/01/2020 at 04:48:10
What I note though, is that he hasn't seem to inspire his defence with the confidence. He is probably like Grobberlaar who is prone to the odd clanger etc.
I also noticed that when he sees a shot about to happen, he anticipates, jumps for the shot, in order to try to reach them faster.
However, that often comes at the expense of him being able to reach the shot, because he has taken off, and doesn't have the range to reach it.
At the same time, he seems to shuffle his feet a little too much, which slows him down to react to some shots.
When I compare him to Southall and Martyn, these players have an economy of movement. Besides trying to influence the striker's shots, these players are confident to react, rather than anticipate the direction of the shots all the time.
81 Posted 29/01/2020 at 14:05:14
82 Posted 02/02/2020 at 20:34:55
You have to laugh, don't you ?
83 Posted 11/02/2020 at 18:17:12
Nice one Dom!!
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