On the throwing of toilet paper, cushions, darts, coins etc

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Oh for the good old carefree days when we could throw toilet rolls at the likes of Pat Jennings and Gordon Banks with gay abandon. I wonder what happened to them all?

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Dick Fearon
1 Posted 10/03/2020 at 09:58:45
Alan, Banks was the target of a dart thrower at Anfield. At two consecutive games at Mordor a dart was thrown at him. He was quoted as saying he looked forward at making up a full set the next time.
Brent Stephens
2 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:10:14
Dick, wasn't a dart thrown at Goodison Park one time? Stuck in somebody's head?
Rob Halligan
3 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:21:29
There was, Brent. It was thrown at the Man Utd fans from the enclosure and I think it hit a Utd fan and stuck in his eye or near to his eye.
Chris Williams
4 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:22:37
A dart was thrown at Bill Brown, the Spurs goalkeeper. This led to the semicircles being installed behind the goals.

I think there was some controversy about this at the time with some fans complaining about the veracity of the claim.

It didn’t land anywhere near him and certainly didn’t hit him.

Another first for Everton!

Ray Roche
5 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:30:44
Correct Chris. There was a cartoon in one paper showing Brown in goal with an African assegai sticking out of the post. A storm in a tea cup, the dart landed nowhere near the goal according to (sensible) reports at the time.

Rob, I don't recall the incident you mentioned.

Alan McGuffog
6 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:35:29
Rob. I remember seeing the pic of a Man Utd fan with the arrow stuck in the side of his nose. Eeeuuuww. BUT. It was Anfield some time in the 70s.

Our loveable neighbours then graduated to putting excrement into paper cups and lobbing that around. Greatest fans in the world...

Brent Stephens
7 Posted 10/03/2020 at 10:46:18
Thanks, Jay. Notice he's wearing a red scarf. Possibly a rs fan who wasn't sure how to throw a dart?
Eddie Dunn
8 Posted 10/03/2020 at 11:12:49
Brent and Rob, I recall the newspapers having a big photo of the United fan with a dart in his nose. There were darts thrown in the Park End, one of my mates had a tee-shirt with a pic of a dartboard with "Park End Darts Team" on it. The Old Bill pulled him for it – made him wear it inside out.

Once at Villa in the late 70s, they were throwing sharpened coins... they got thrown back... went on all game, could hardly watch the game for fear of one hitting me in the eyes.

Saw some Everton fans throwing golf balls and ballbearings away at West Brom around the same time... the spherical objects were also returned with aplomb! So daft.

Dennis Stevens
9 Posted 10/03/2020 at 11:51:28
I do hope that, when throwing coins, people were sensible enough to keep the incoming silver & return copper coins instead!
Alan J Thompson
10 Posted 10/03/2020 at 13:58:28
So the coronavirus panic has even caused an outbreak of darts stories!
Ian Pilkington
11 Posted 10/03/2020 at 14:13:04
Chris,

I vaguely remember the Bill Brown incident but I believe the semi-circles behind the goals were introduced in the aftermath of a match vs Blackburn in November 1963 when Tony Kay was dismissed and rubbish was thrown onto the pitch in protest at the appalling referee, Stokes.

He returned a year later to conduct an even worse performance in the notorious match vs Leeds when once again he completely lost control. Poor refereeing of the ilk of Moss, Friend, Atkinson et al is nothing new.

Chris Williams
12 Posted 10/03/2020 at 14:47:10
Ian and Dave,

I’m pretty sure they were erected as a response to the Spurs incident and of course to the subsequent (Southern) press furore. Everton were vilified by the press in the sixties, so like the referees, the standard has not improved.

The fact that Dave (the memory man) supports that is good enough for me!

I can’t remember the time lag between the incident and their installation, but I’m pretty sure the World Cup coming up might have played into the decision.

As to Stokes, he also sent Roy Vernon off, wrongly, against Forest. Roy stated he was going to retire as a result!

Him or Clattenburg? Take your choice.

Dave, did Fred get 3?

Patrick McFarlane
13 Posted 10/03/2020 at 14:54:33
Chris is correct, it was the incident in the Spurs game, according to the link below, which made the club put in the semi-circles.

All Hell Broke Loose

Rob Halligan
14 Posted 10/03/2020 at 15:22:51
Could have sworn the Man Utd fan got hit by a dart at Goodison. I remember being in the enclosure when golf balls were being hurled between the two sets of fans.

Ah well, here's a link to the picture of the victim.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/s-soccer-violence-a-manchester-utd-fan-with-a-dart-stuck-in-news-photo/79054202

Rob Halligan
15 Posted 10/03/2020 at 15:34:21
FFS, I'm having a bad day. Just seen Jay had posted the same link earlier on.
Eddie Dunn
16 Posted 10/03/2020 at 15:34:41
Rob- that one was at Anfield.
Rob Halligan
17 Posted 10/03/2020 at 16:59:04
Eddie, yeah I noticed the red fences when I searched for the incident. Mind, it was many moons ago!!
Alan McGuffog
18 Posted 10/03/2020 at 18:54:02
Dave... the circular walls were built, I’d guess, in the close season of 1965... certainly in time for the World Cup. Initially there was some Heath Robinson affair, crudely fashioned with planks and scaffolding poles.
John McFarlane Snr
19 Posted 10/03/2020 at 20:00:32
Dave [] and Chris [], the crescents behind the goals were installed as a result of the alleged dart-throwing incident, initially there were scaffoldings in place. I can confirm that because my spec was behind the Park End goal.

The joke doing the rounds after that incident was: "There was murder in the City Road supporters club, because someone threw a ball at the darts team."

Brian Wilkinson
20 Posted 10/03/2020 at 21:38:02
Here is an article about the semi circles behind the goals.

On the 7 November 1964, newly promoted Leeds United arrived at Goodison Park and one of the most violent encounters on an English football pitch was about to take place.

In the early 1960s Goodison Park with its vociferous fans was starting to become an intimidating place for opposition teams to visit. Between the terraces and the goal nets at both ends of the stadium, a semi- circular, crescent shaped, barrier had been positioned to provide opposition goalkeepers with protection from being pelted with objects by home supporters. During the match between Everton and Tottenham Hotspur in November 1963, Bill Brown, the Spurs custodian had drawn the referee's attention to a dart, that had allegedly been thrown at him, lying in the goalmouth.

Brian Wilkinson
21 Posted 10/03/2020 at 21:40:41
The game commenced and within seconds Bobby Collins had gone over the top on Everton winger Derek Temple and Everton forward Fred Pickering was fouled by Billy Bremner. The Everton crowd screamed their displeasure, the tempo was set. Next, Jack Charlton was the victim of a cynical challenge by notorious Everton hard man Johnny Morrissey, who was allegedly one of the two names that Jack kept in his little black book for future retribution.

If Leeds had ever thought that their tactics were going to intimidate Everton they were mistaken. Everton matched Leeds challenge for challenge and a whirlwind start to the game culminated when Sandy Brown jumped into a tackle with Johnny Giles. Brown, a player who could look after himself, reacted furiously to the challenge, complaining of stud marks on his chest and threw a left hander at Giles, leaving the referee with no other recourse but to send him off. Only four minutes had elapsed since the kick off! The atmosphere, already at fever pitch, now saw players from both sides flying into a series of reckless challenges which only served to add to the febrile brew of crowd hostility.

Incredibly though, Leeds showed that they could play football if allowed to do so and after fifteen minutes Bobby Collins floated a free kick into the Everton goal area and defender, Willie Bell, connected with a fierce header that left the Everton defence helpless and gave Leeds a 1-0 advantage. This was more than the home support could take. One irate Everton fan climbed onto the pitch and headed towards Billy Bremner and Norman Hunter. Fortunately, Johnny Morrissey helped the opposition players by restraining him and preventing a potentially serious assault. Morrissey was the one Everton player you didn't mess with.

Gary Sprake, the Leeds goalkeeper, was pelted with coins throughout the match and any Leeds player foolish enough to venture near the touchline was met with a volley of missiles. The game reached a flashpoint on thirty ninth minutes when Willie Bell flattened Everton's Derek Temple near the touchline causing Temple to be stretched off. The Leeds trainer, Les Cocker and match referee Ken Stokes were hit by objects thrown from the crowd and trying to convince the Everton fans that Bell had been hurt as well, his trainer told him to lie on the floor whilst he called for assistance. The ambulance man's terse and angry reply that Cocker could fetch his own fucking stretcher showed how caught up everybody appeared to be in the emotion of the match.

Laurie Hartley
22 Posted 10/03/2020 at 21:58:08
I wish we had a Bobby Collins in our midfield nowadays. A fearsome competitor and leader of men.
Bill Watson
23 Posted 10/03/2020 at 23:46:36
I was at the infamous Leeds match and also, unfortunately, at the Chelsea game on Sunday.

Chalk and cheese but how I wish we had a Morrisey, Brown etc in the side, today. This lot just rollover or go missing when the chips are down!

Derek Thomas
24 Posted 11/03/2020 at 00:50:19
Brian; I was there too. The Referee was at fault, but only due to never having seen anything like the utter cynicism of the Leeds method of upsetting your rhythm, not having the tools or experience to combat it.
The crowd were up at the sheer Injustice of it all and how they were getting away with it.

We totally got sucked in, forgot whatever game plan we might've had and ended up committing more actual fouls than them.

Result: 0-1...see lads this stuff works, more of the same next week and the week after.

There had been recent previous 'tasty' games Vs Leeds but Revies approach to redress a cup defeat after we won a typical 'Goodison Under the Lights Bear Pit' replay... iirc, 2-0 with Jimmy Gabriel giving his standard Conan the Barbarian effort at Centre Forward...was cowardly and based on fear of further failure.

(Land of Hope and Glory) Weeee all hate Leeds and Leeds and Leeds and Leeds and Leeds and Leeds etc we all 'kin hate Leeds.

Cloughie nailed them on his first day there - throw your medals away you're all cheats

It still rankles now.

Tony McNulty
25 Posted 11/03/2020 at 09:02:23
I came to this thread having seen the title. I thought it was the latest list of things running short owing to coronavirus.
Eddie Dunn
26 Posted 11/03/2020 at 13:58:25
Was anyone else in the Enclosure when Man Utd had the whole (old) Park End? I was near the Man Utd fans in the Enclosure with some mates when, after half time, the Mancs had smashed the windows down in the toilets, and started throwing chunks of reinforced glass into us lot. A pal had a brand new pair of Brutus Gold jeans on, and sitting on the crash barrier the missile got him on the knee, leaving a very deep wound. It could quite easily have hit someone i n the head.

He was led by St John's ambulance along the front of the Park End and I recall him spitting on the baying Manc hordes. Saw him later – he was more pissed-off about his jeans than the cut!

Personally I was never a fan of Brutus.

Tony Everan
27 Posted 12/03/2020 at 19:58:04
I remember being at Maine Road for the League Cup Final replay in the 80s. It was raining all sorts between the two sets of fans piss, coins, whatever could be found to lob. I put my hood up.
Brian Wilkinson
28 Posted 13/03/2020 at 18:24:21
I was not there, so cannot clarify, but was told during the League Cup Semi-Final second leg at Burden Park, Bolton, one of their supporters launched – and I kid you not – a ham shank bone into the Everton end.
Richard Jones
29 Posted 13/03/2020 at 21:41:44
I remember in the cup against Spurs in 1983, I think, we won 2-0. It was a very violent affair off the pitch, someone threw a dart out of the top balcony and it hit a Spurs fan in the chest. I remember him getting stretchered out around the pitch.
Paul Birmingham
30 Posted 13/03/2020 at 23:29:03
One that stands out in the context of this thread and missiles etc, is the Tuesday Milk Cup game at Old Trafford after we'd done them 5-0 at Goodison on the Saturday before in October 1984; and thus the scene was set. That Saturday in October 1984, they had a firm in the Main Stand and it was an interesting afternoon.

The Boxing Day 1977 home reverse, 2-6 for Everton was always prevalent even 7 years later.

I also remember when the Mancs and RS played their FA Cup semi-final at Goodison Park in 1979. Carnage and missiles in use by both sides, before and after the game.

There was mayhem again in 1985 at a semi-final again, same fixture and grid lids were being chucked inside and outside the ground.

Howard's Way was the way Everton beat them 2-1 at Old Trafford. In them days, their Warwick Road stand was an easy launch point for Man Utd fans chucking coins, darts, snooker balls, and lit newspapers at the Everton fans.

You could literally climb up and like wise with no effort they could pummel the away fans. Socks with snooker, pool balls were being used against Everton fans. Coins and lit papers, from point-blank range.

Beirut, Lebanon... in them days, it was literally going to Old Trafford. Loads got chucked back, and after the match, going for the train, it was carnage.

Same at Villa Park in 1984, after we beat them and went on to lose to Liverpool. Villa went ballistic that night, but so did Everton.

The late '70s and '80s, the home and away days and the camaraderie it brought has stood the test of time. Once Upon A Time in the 80s & 70s –those were those days.

Football was fairly priced and, in context, the Covid-19 pandemic makes you think.

The Good, The Bad, & The Now?

Older, wiser and has the game become more enjoyable, and good value for hard-earned money?

For me, life's improved but football, as a very fast-moving sport, is not great value for money, but the issues aren't all due to football. The European cost tariff for matches is realistic, the Premier League generates more revenue than the rest by miles. Why do we have to pay top prices for the biggest media-subsidised sport?

The Covid-19 will impact our living standards and pensions for years to come, and potentially the cost of Bramley-Moore Dock if this global slow down is maintained till the Autumn.

But taking positives, when it goes, and the risks are very low, we can have a fresh view on football, and hopefully the greatest game can rejuvenate and thrive?

Everton will get on the up and up. That would be great.


Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
31 Posted 14/03/2020 at 20:36:22
I can't see anyone chucking bog rolls now.

Panic stations — we are down to our last 288 from Costco.

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