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Paul Kernot
1 Posted 03/08/2020 at 04:06:37
I watched a couple of vids of this guy. Those things always make a player look shit hot but even on these he looked average.
Vijay Nair
2 Posted 03/08/2020 at 05:27:53
According to Lille fans,

"He's a very offensive-minded RB that likes to overlap the winger. He can also cross pretty well."

That said we have other positions more pressing than at RB. I would just give Kenny a go, with Seamus as backup.

Alan J Thompson
3 Posted 03/08/2020 at 07:10:10
We don't seem to be linked with many players based in Britain but we must have told quite a few that they may not be needed given the number and positions of players to whom it is said we are linked.
Richard Lyons
4 Posted 03/08/2020 at 07:49:19
Funny how it's always Spurs who are also interested...
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 03/08/2020 at 07:54:18
Are these names pulled out of a bag like a cup draw? I love, and hate, the transfer window.
Sam Hoare
6 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:02:12
I’d prefer Matty Cash from Forest who’s available for a similar price. Or Aarons from Norwich.
Ryan Tyrrell
7 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:08:23
I think Kenny is good enough. No need for a new right-back.
Steve Shave
8 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:16:00
Aarons please.
Steve Shave
9 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:18:25
I do wonder if Carlo is planning a wing-back system this season in order to utilise Sigurdsson and Gomes better? Çelik & Reguilon are both wingbacks.

This would also explain why we are after Gabriel (other than he is a real prospect who would likely do well in a central defensive pairing as well of course).

Derek Knox
10 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:55:24
With all due respect to Lyndon, I'm hoping that most of these we are being linked to are just pure speculation, none of which has set my pulse racing, apart from Allan. I equally hope all this talk of having to sell before we can buy is a smoke-screen.

I don't think Carlo Ancelotti would have taken the job and risk his reputation, if funds hadn't been guaranteed, to rebuild a team of his choice. Most of those we have been linked with thus far are mere journeymen, and mostly untested in the Premier League.

Robert Tressell
11 Posted 03/08/2020 at 08:58:33
Unless it's a very significant upgrade on Kenny & Coleman, then not worth it. Aarons would make sense as he's a young, accomplished footballer who can be our right-back for 10 years. Same goes for Dest of Ajax (an outstanding footballer) but Mike G assures me his next move will be to a Champions League giant. I'm a bit sceptical about some of these other names, like Cash and Çelik.

Steve S, I also wondered whether 5-3-2 (or variant) might be on the cards. It accommodates a 3-man midfield, 2 forwards and our lack of productive wingers. Guessing not. More likely as a tactical switch for specific games or during games than a preferred formation.

Looks like things will start falling into place once the Gabriel transfer is resolved one way or another.

Steve Shave
12 Posted 03/08/2020 at 09:13:50
If we do buy a centre-back, then I really hope Gabriel comes, Rob, he looks the business. A team full of Brazilians would be great, Allan and Everton Soares too. :)
Geoff Lambert
13 Posted 03/08/2020 at 09:27:34
Need to start getting them in now, ready for the small pre-season that we will have to ready ourselves for the upcoming 2020-21 season.

Don't want any last-minute deadline day panick buys again.

Derek Knox
14 Posted 03/08/2020 at 09:28:48
Robert and Steve, yes that'll do for me, the Brazilian connection, although we do have Richie and Bernard already, the latter has been, apart from little infrequent shows of trickery, largely been a disappointment.

If reports are to be believed (from the Football Gossip Jungle) Gabriel's agent is in the UK today, apparently to conduct talks with both ourselves and Man Utd over his future move.

Not sure which one he's going to first, but I would have thought realistically Man Utd will win in comparison to us. The only thing that could sway it our way possibly is the fact that we have Carlo, who may assure him that other compatriots are on the way.

Everton Soares (Cebolinha) would be my icing on the Transfer Cake, the little magician is just what we need, probably at the expense of Bernard being moved on. He is a mate of Richarlison apparently so that could be a pulling factor too on that one, fingers crossed!

I see that Odsonne Edouard scored a hat-trick yesterday for Celtic against Hamilton.

Simon Smith
15 Posted 03/08/2020 at 09:58:29
I'm with Sam on Matty Cash. Apparently Sheffield United have made a £10 mil bid for Matty Cash. We should definitely be following that up. If he goes for that price, it is a steal. Especially if this latest unknown (to me anyway) is valued at nearly double.
Tony Everan
16 Posted 03/08/2020 at 10:50:36
I agree that we should be after Aarons if Kenny is being sold. He is a player who is young, who is going to improve again when he moves to a better team. An excellent investment.

I would be happier if the focus and finance was on our midfield though. I think Kenny and Coleman would be enough quality and cover for next season at right-back.

If there's any truth in this at all, maybe Moyes wants Kenny at West Ham and is prepared to offer an acceptable amount. However, it is probably a load of old codswallop.

FYI: '''codswallop', from the 19th Century, is a derisive term for soft drinks by beer drinkers...'' Who knew?

Dale Rose
17 Posted 03/08/2020 at 11:06:28
I just hate the transfer window. The only people who benefit are pundits and agents. We have ended up with more second-rate crap at over-inflated prices than any other club. We are still trying to off-load them now.

The only beacon this season is a manager who knows what he is doing. I don't have great faith in Brands. The amount of money we have spent should have seen us as a top four side now, yet we are nowhere near. I hope Carlo is given total control over this window and for once we get what we pay for.

There are green shoots, no two ways about that. The younger players are coming on well. All have been impressive as future club stalwarts.

I'm going to the shed now to get my tin hat out.

Robert Tressell
18 Posted 03/08/2020 at 11:18:04
I don't know much about Cash other than we and others were linked when he was about 19. He was a centre-midfielder then. I've not seen him as a right-back.

Certainly nice to pick up young, hungry Championship players (as Moyes often did) but, in this case, we have Kenny already at about the same age with more top-flight experience.

Unless Cash or Çelik or whoever looks like a Champions League player in the making, we might as well keep Kenny – who looks like a solid if unremarkable Premier League standard player.

Robert Tressell
19 Posted 03/08/2020 at 11:46:44
Just had a quick look at Cash. The ever unreliable YouTube shows a wholehearted player who gets stuck in and shows determination to stop crosses.

He goes on the charge a bit going forward but doesn't look that polished on the ball. In fact, he seems to get caught on the ball by holding on too long or through attempting to slalom into a crowd of players.

Kenny's showreel – at a higher standard of football – looks at least as good. In fact, some of his passing looks better. I've obviously seen Kenny in matches too for Everton and England. I'd be very sceptical about whether Cash is an upgrade on Kenny.

Aarons looks like the most accomplished footballer of the lot. Neat and tidy one touch passing & one-twos in particular. No extravagant passing like TAA or monster tackles like AWB. But very classy.

Richard Mason
20 Posted 03/08/2020 at 12:10:37
Everton squad so far without signings; Brands wants 23 first team players with a mix of U23s... yeah??

GK: Pickford and Lössl
RB: Coleman and Kenny
CB: Keane, Holgate and Mina
LB: Digne
LM Bernard and Gordon
CM Davies, Gomes, Sigurdsson, & Gbamin.
RM: Walcott & Iwobi
CF: Calvert-Lewin, Kean and Richarlison

Am I missing anyone? But that's 19 players so 4 short on what type of squad they are building

Robert Tressell
21 Posted 03/08/2020 at 12:23:04
Other names might include Virginia, Branthwaite, Gibson, Delph and Tosun.

Delph and Branthwaite in particular are proper first-team squad players now. The others, it's less clear...

I've excluded Besic, Bolasie and Ramirez because presumably they've played their last game for us already. I wasn't sure whether to include Tosun. I suspect he's only going to stay with us cause we cannot sell an injured player.

Richard Mason
22 Posted 03/08/2020 at 14:16:38
I thought I had Delph in there. I was putting Gibson and Branthwaite and Virginia in the U23 category that would be in around the first team. I suppose Gordon should be there as well in hindsight.

With you adding Bolasie, Tosun, Besic and Sandro, those are the 4 payers we really need to get rid of, and replace with 4 quality players, to make the 23 man squad.

Robert Tressell
23 Posted 03/08/2020 at 14:39:44
Yes Richard - no argument from me about upgrading those 4. I think the club would be delighted to see the back of them and their wages too. Loans are more likely than sales and Tosun is probably with us till January whether we like it or not.

There's uncertainty too about Kenny, Mina, Bernard, Kean and Delph – in the sense of reported interest. Not seen any rumoured interest in Sigurdsson but would imagine the club is open to offers. It'd be surprising if all are still on our books by the end of the window.

More worrying is the reported interest in Digne. That highlights what a difficult job it is to pull together a cohesive squad. We'll be a work in progress long after this window closes.

Jamie Crowley
24 Posted 03/08/2020 at 14:45:23
Richard and Robert,

If you add two center-midfielders to that list and trim the fat, as well as move Richarlison from striker to right-midfielder as needed, we'd be moving in the right direction.

Richard Mason
25 Posted 03/08/2020 at 14:57:50
Robert, Jamie, I was just trying to compile the first-team squad at present.

I would totally bring in two centre-midfielders for Tosun and Sandro. I think Kean will come good. The two starts against Newcastle and Bournemouth stand out.

I agree with moving Richarlison back to the wing.

Along with the deadwood mentioned, I would be totally up for Sigurdsson and Delph to go.

Reading rumours, it looks like Kenny may not be wanted but this season, I think I would keep him and put the money elsewhere.

Graham Hammond
26 Posted 03/08/2020 at 15:10:09
My own view is that the club will be very reluctant to 'fall on their sword' and 'lose face' by giving Sigurdsson away and crystallising a £40M loss as it will make them look like idiots, which of course they are, and that would be correct but, like politicians, it is all about putting yourself and your club (party) in the best light possible and trying to fool the masses.

Not until hard decisions are made will the club move forward. I expect Sigurdsson to see out his Everton contract because I doubt the club is big enough or strong enough to give him away or heavily subsidise his wages elsewhere. Needs doing though. Delph the same.

Trevor Peers
27 Posted 03/08/2020 at 15:42:38
Graham #26.

The same goes for Mina, Gomes, Gbamin, Kean and Iwobi who would all now be sold at a huge loss.

They cost a combined fee of nearly £150 million – let's not just blame Sigurdsson for all our problems, eh!

Bill Gall
28 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:09:33
We can't sell 11 players and we can't buy 11 players, and as this is the silly part of the season, we will be quoted as buying about 2 dozen players by sports writers, who have to fill in their columns somehow.

The time I will take notice is when I see the photograph of a new signing in an Everton shirt with a scarf over his head.

Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:11:20
Meanwhile, back at the Everton reject pile, TuttoSport reports that AC Milan is back in for the fullback we sold to Wigan for pocket change:

AC Milan could be set to make another attempt to sign Wigan Athletic star Antonee Robinson this summer

The heart problem that scuppered Antonee's move to Milan in January has been fixed and he didn't miss a minute for Wigan until he was subbed out in an 8-0 victory a couple weeks ago. Pretty sure they will get a whole lot more than £2 million for him.

And if he does move to Serie A, he'll likely find himself playing against Vlasic, who scored 13 goals at CSKA while we were looking for an attacking midfielder. Rumor still has Nikola going to Napoli. We'll get some of his transfer fee, but.... argh.

Dennis Stevens
30 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:24:36
Surely, EFC would have negotiated a sizeable slice of any further profit made. No?!
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:36:39
We have, Dennis -- our £14 million sale of Vlasic included a share of any sell-on, and Napoli are rumored to have offered £18 million for him.

But the Italian media report we're now offering Napoli £34 million for Allan, a player seven years older, whose personal wages would also be four times what we were paying Vlasic. Don't know if that's true or not, but the club certainly isn't going to be throwing parties over Nikola's sell-on fee.

As with Robinson, I'd have rather we kept the player.

Dennis Stevens
32 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:42:08
Aye, Mike, we seem to be in the habit of selling young players with potential for a fraction of what we pay for older players who may have seen their best days already. So far, it doesn't seem to be working out too well, imo.
Carl Manning
33 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:44:39
I’m with you, Mike, on Vlasic. I saw a young man who looked like he would become a very very good player in the appearances he made with us! He had a lovely touch and weight of pass.
Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 03/08/2020 at 16:53:25
He did, Carl, and I too saw signs of a classy playmaker when he was 19 or so. I'll admit I didn't see 18 goals in 55 games, which is what he has put up for CSKA, but I liked him far, far more than Dowell, for example.
Joe McMahon
35 Posted 03/08/2020 at 17:20:13
As others have stated, we need to move for Edouard now before someone else does. We never went to VVD and he went to Southampton. Celtic have had some quality in recent times.
Graham Hammond
36 Posted 03/08/2020 at 17:25:21
Trevor #27, I most certainly do not blame Sigurdsson for all our problems, far from it, the player is what he is, it is the club I was criticising not the player which I thought my post made clear. Sigurdsson is of some value (though he would not be my choice) as a central player in a 4-2-3-1 formation and nothing more, similarly Gomes and Iwobi. If we are not going to play this formation then all three players are not right for us at least under Carlo. Iwobi, could at a push, play wide right in a 4-2-3-1 formation. We may have to disagree slightly on Kean though Trevor, I think there is a player in there somewhere, I like players with pace up top and Moise has that in his locker along with a desire to drive directly at Defenders, this is currently lacking in DCL's game. I highlighted Sigurdsson simply because he cost the most money and is probably worth the least of the players you mentioned. Gbamin has no value simply because he is unfit currently and may never be able to play again at the very top level, that is down to bad luck, shit happens.
Robert Tressell
37 Posted 03/08/2020 at 18:04:19
Vlasic was always good. We messed him about a lot. He's shown quality in a poor league but also in Europe. I expect he'd do well in Italy – where football intelligence is valued at least as much as physical attributes. I'd have preferred to keep him really. At least as good as Iwobi...
Trevor Peers
38 Posted 03/08/2020 at 18:38:38
Graham, agree with most of that. Sigurdsson seems to bear the brunt of abuse when it comes to our transfer disasters on here. I think he's a decent player, at least we've had some value out of him and he's rarely injured. He suffers from the lack of talent around him and that price tag – £30 million would've been more realistic.

Kean isn't on the biggest salary and might come good, we hope. The three top earners are the most worrying: Gomes, Mina and Bernard all on over £100k+ a week and contributing very little, that's the real scandal.

Jerome Shields
39 Posted 03/08/2020 at 19:24:37
Mike #31

Hope Robinson gets his Milan move; he never should have been sold by Everton.

Christy Ring
40 Posted 04/08/2020 at 19:36:01
Mike@31 Vlasic is a completely different player to Allan, he's not a defensive midfielder. Vlasic was hot and cold when he played for us, he'd switch off during games, and had a bad attitude. He made a few comments, as did his dad, which didn't do him any favours.
Kieran Kinsella
41 Posted 04/08/2020 at 19:50:44
Might be worth a punt on an older player. You always here people saying "my coach so and so was the best player in training even though he was old now." Someone like Kevin Keegan keeps himself in good nick. Probably get him for minimal wages, give him a run out once a month or so. Better than a lot of these jokers.
Kevin Dyer
42 Posted 06/08/2020 at 08:10:05
#40 Christy - Vlasic was largely played out of position for us, on the right. He was expected to track back. Defensively he had a lot to learn; most attacking players of his age are similar, those like Richarlison are the exception. I think he needed a loan straightaway and should have been persisted with.

The lad was attracting serious scouting from major teams when he broke into the Hajduk team at 16-17. His dad wanted him to establish himself before moving, which he did. Now, maybe interest cooled on him and so a couple years later we sign him. I think it was on a whim though as we was another "No 10" to add to Rooney, Sigurdsson and Klaassen who all arrived in the same window. Terrible planning.

He was too young to establish himself in our team at that stage. If we'd actually had a plan then it would've been to loan him out immediately to a higher level than the Croatian league. Remember, Modric was older and more experienced when Spurs signed him (not saying Vlasic is as good as him, of course).

For me, technical players that aren't physical specimens can struggle initially in the Premier League; fast or powerful young players find the transition easier. They really need to be given time and coaxed along. Same applies to Klaassen tbh. The odd game here and there just doesn't work. Vlasic has rebuilt his career after we nearly ruined him, which shows that he had talent and character. I'm gonna predict that he'll be a success in Italy.

As regards him supposedly being a problematic character, I'll offer a counterpoint. Big Sam wrecked the lad's belief that EFC was going to work out. Predictably the young players got sidelined. Vlasic was out of the first team; Sam couldn't even be arsed to go to Cyprus for that dead-rubber Europa League game in which, incidentally Vlasic and Lookman were the standouts. Contrary to what you say, I only heard the player himself say that he wanted to establish himself; his dad and sister gave interviews that expressed concern with our treatment of him. Not wise, to be fair, but understandable.

Personally, I think he's one that got away.

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