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Tony Everan
1 Posted 06/08/2020 at 22:25:17
I am not convinced we need to be getting involved with a speculative buy for right back at £10M this window. Just bring Kenny back and give him a chance to make the position his own. He has some flaws that he can iron out and he more than makes up for it with his attitude, toughness and competitiveness. Qualities that should not be underestimated and ones we have been seriously short of.

We need to focus on the midfield first, Allan and David Brooks and a left-sided centre-back with a bit of pace, Gabriel hopefully. These are the game-changing signings we need to be focused on.

Maybe we are and it is being done professionally, out of the spotlight, by Mr Brands.

Will Mabon
2 Posted 06/08/2020 at 22:39:39
Wouldn't it be nice if only the real potential transfers were ever talked about.

Speculation overload...

Sam Hoare
3 Posted 06/08/2020 at 22:42:10
I quite like the look of Dalot. £10M could be a decent price for a youngster who was so highly rated a couple of years back and has lacked opportunities to shine.

Crucially as well he has played left-back on occasion and could maybe cover there too.

Stephen Vincent
4 Posted 06/08/2020 at 22:53:17
Totally agree with Tony #1. We have Digne and the young French lad on the left and Coleman and Kenny on the right. Holgate, Mina, Keane, Branthwaite and Gibson in the centre.

If The Esk is correct, our funds need to be directed at the area most in need of attention, midfield.

All speculation anyway.

Robert Tressell
5 Posted 06/08/2020 at 22:58:35
Tony & Sam, I'm torn. We need to improve our right flank but I want to give Kenny the chance he deserves. Dalot improves the flank from an attacking point of view. He could even play right-wing. For £10M, it's a steal.... But it's yet another weird signing.
Terry White
6 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:06:22
At that price Dalot is a much better bet than Aarons. But, media speculation
Carl Manning
7 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:07:43
He's young, versatile and when I've seen him play he hasn't looked that bad. I imagine with a consistent run of games he would really come on also.

Man Utd have the best right-back at defending in the country so makes sense for Dalot to move on. But the price is a snip and I think it's a no-brainer if true.

Ben Jones
8 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:09:35
If this is true, then I think he's a long-term replacement for Coleman and Kenny will go on loan another year.

I don't think he's a bad shout for £10 million.

Brian Murray
9 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:13:26
Any off-load to us by Man Utd is usually to please them, not us. Stay away from any deals with the top four. They are in that position for a reason — they are professional on and off the pitch and have a plan.
Graham Hammond
10 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:26:21
Didn't Manchester United pay £19M for this lad? I very much doubt that they would be prepared to let him go for anything less than £13M and even then, only if they needed the cash to fund massive purchases.
Carl Manning
11 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:27:02
Why is £13M the magic number, Graham?
Graeme Beresford
12 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:31:29
Stephen #4

It's mad how much I totally disagree with you there. Young French lad hasn't kicked a ball for us yet, could be a Baines, could be a Galloway.

Kenny when he played for us looked slow and lacked positional sense. Did okay for Schalke who didn't win any of their last 15 games.

Keane is a squad player, Mina is often caught out of position at the back and the other two are again completely unproven. Gibson hasn't kicked a ball for us either.

Everton need to sell Pickford and replace him with one of the star performers from this season. If not, Ben Foster will do for a year. Pickford concedes a goal a game which he should do better with. It can't happen anymore.

Everton need a new right back, not as cover for Coleman, but to replace Coleman. Loyalty is great but football moves quickly.

We need a new left-back as competition for Digne and then we need to sell Mina and replace him with a young-ish centre-back who has played regular football for the last few seasons.

We then need to sell Bernard, Walcott, Sigurdsson and replace with better quality whilst also purchasing a defensive midfielder, but maybe Gbamin may come good and finally fill that gap. If not, then Allan or Gana back would be my choice.

Walcott and Bolasie have stolen a living with us. Get them off the books. Go out and get young upcoming wingers who will work hard for the team and provide some creativity for a change.

I would even be tempted to tell Tom Davies he's going on loan all season next year to a Championship club so we can find out what he's really made of and his best position. It worked for Leon Osman many moons ago.

I know it's unrealistic to try and replace the whole team but we certainly need 5/6 players and some to leave. You know what, while we are at it, stick Iwobi on the transfer list as he is the biggest waste of £30million.

Tosun too.

Long gone should now be the days where we go out and get United rejects and players who are 35 years old. If we ever want to challenge we need to be buying proven players and not getting ripped off. Sigurdsson imo has been a good servant to us, but again loyalty gets you nowhere in football. He has been worth about £30 million, 100% nowhere near the 50 odd we paid for him. Swansea must be laughing their socks off.

Complete overhaul. War chest open. Break FFP, take the fine. Get rid of the dead wood and the none-tryers. It's time!

David Tennant
13 Posted 06/08/2020 at 23:45:53
Totally agree with Terry #6, Dalot is 21, very talented (good dribbler and crosser with pace), good attacker, versatile, does need refining defensively (as does Aarons) and is much more affordable.
Graham Hammond
14 Posted 07/08/2020 at 00:07:56
Carl #10, Pure speculation on my part, nothing more.

If Man Utd did indeed pay £19M for the player as has been reported then I find it hard to believe that they would be prepared to sell (the player) for basically only 50% of what they paid out, no selling club particularly wants to 'lose face' and look like idiots.

It goes a large way to explaining why we have kept so many underperforming players in my opinion. To get back two-thirds of the outlay is, I think, a little more realistic ie a £6M loss. Have you watched the player, mate? Do you think he is worth a punt?

Stephen Vincent
15 Posted 06/08/2020 at 00:18:17
Graeme, there's not that much we disagree about, except timeframe. It's great to say sell Bernard, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Bolasie but, after the season they have all had, who will buy and pay those joke wages?

The other side of the coin is: who will come to us? We have nothing to offer. Great... go and get Allan or Gana. How? If, every time we agree a reasonable deal, they choose a team with better immediate prospects. We couldn't even get Højbjerg, for God's sake.

Take the fine? What if it's not just a fine, what if it is a transfer moratorium, ban from European competition, who will join us then? How many of those signed now would stay with us?

Get real. Anyway, it's only speculation!!!

Carl Manning
16 Posted 07/08/2020 at 00:22:17
From what I've seen, Graham, I do like him, although I think I've mainly seen him play further forward. He had a huge reputation. I believe Man Utd fought off Spain's big two to get him and I've seen Barca linked this summer.

He has quality and I think he has huge scope for improving with regular game time. I think it would prove a very shrewd move.

Kase Chow
17 Posted 07/08/2020 at 00:30:31
I wouldn't mind him at all for £10M. That way, we could keep Coleman as back up and ship Kenny to help balance the books

I like the fact that, since Gabriel has been stalling, we have reinvestigated Todibo and the Korean. So we certainly want a centre-back. Hopefully we can sell either Keane or Mina, if so (again to balance the books).

Then it's onto midfield. God knows how we Improve here but Brands sold Schneiderlin so everything is possible!

Martin Reppion
18 Posted 07/08/2020 at 00:40:34
Graeme #11,

You are so right and I've decided that not only will that be the way forward for the Blues, but I am going to jack my job and despite my lack of talent and the fact I'm 57 – play for England. After that I'll get a record deal for my band and have hit records and the rock-and-roll lifestyle I crave and deserve.

I hadn't realised it was all so easy to do. Just say it and the real world disappears. I'm surprised you didn't get Everton to sign Messi, Aguero and the latest AI version of Pele while you were at it.

If we can improve on what we have this year, we may compete with the teams in the 5 places above us next season. Then, if we can improve on that, we may sign players who will give us a Europa League run. Then, we can look at signing players who are good enough for Champions League football.

I remember the glory years of the '80s. I would love them back tomorrow. But I'll take gradual improvement as the building blocks to get us there.

England Rugby, British Cycling and Rowing all delivered because they knew you can't improve anything by 100%, but you can improve a lot of things by a small percentage. That's how we progress.

Stephen Vincent
19 Posted 07/08/2020 at 01:02:48
Martin, Agree with every word, except I don't have a band!!!
Derek Thomas
20 Posted 07/08/2020 at 01:26:30
Robert @ 5;

Should Kenny actually want that chance...

He may decide he likes it just fine where he is!

Graham Hammond
21 Posted 07/08/2020 at 01:38:08
Carl #15,

Thanks for that, I would have thought he is precisely the kind of player we should be going for, given what you are saying, build for the future, or at least try to! I would sooner trust the recruitment of Barcelona, Real Madrid and even Manchester United than our own sadly.

Holgate got the nod at last and the game time and made the step up so I am sure other young, hungry players can do likewise. We will never know until we give it a go!

Buying the likes of Delph, Rooney and to a lesser extent, Sigurdsson hasn't really worked for the club and little resale value just compounds the misery.

Mike Gaynes
22 Posted 07/08/2020 at 01:48:19
It's not his choice, Derek. He's under contract to us. And as Graeme said, Schalke is a pretty dismal side right now and could be relegation meat next season after likely losing Kabak, Bogazdan and McKennie to bigger clubs. Kenny's only shot to make it is to hope Carlo brings him back and gives him a chance with us.

I doubt that'll happen. As I've said before, Jonjoe has all the heart and fight in the world, but there's not enough talent there. If he proves me wrong, I'll be happy to own up, but I don't think so.

Dalot sounds like a good gamble to me.

Terry White
23 Posted 07/08/2020 at 02:21:26
Graham (#11),

If we want the best time-wasting goalkeeper in the league, Ben Foster is your man.

Vijay Nair
24 Posted 07/08/2020 at 02:31:28
Dalot meets all the criteria for Everton:

Has hardly played for his club (a total of 34 appearances in all competitions across 2 seasons) - TICK

Man Utd reject - TICK

Injury plagued - TICK

He will fit in just fine!

Ken Camara
25 Posted 07/08/2020 at 03:03:20
Working backwards, Vijay #24 - good points.

We need to stop being happy with the second helpings and scraps from Man Utd (eg, Schneiderlin). They would not let us take Smalling last year, as they felt he would "help" us and they felt that we were too close in competition (fair enough – Smalling did well at Roma, probably still has a couple of good years left, and if they don't get a VAR call on us, we win, and they do not make Champions League). But being Everton, we went after Rojo!!! Thankfully, that did not work out.

Jay Harris
26 Posted 07/08/2020 at 03:56:04
Vijay, those are my concerns.

The only Man Utd reject who seems to have come good was Saha (Palace). Even Keane at £30M leaves a lot to be desired.

Ken Camara
27 Posted 07/08/2020 at 03:58:52
Graham #11. Although I agree with you on some big points, this is my take:

- I agree with you on the young French kid: too young / let him grow. Bring in someone as understudy to Digne. Digne was class the last 2 years. If we can keep him for another year, that would help.

- Sell Kenny; someone in Germany may want him… He has desire, competitiveness, but lacks pace. Not sure if his time on loan allowed him to take another forward step defensively and with positioning.

- I agree that Coleman should be the back-up going forward. Bring in someone young, who can learn from him, Selling Kenny should offset that purchase (the right-back from Lille? Dalot sounds like he would slot in nicely to our needs... I doubt Man Utd would help us – they would double price).

- Sell Keane; I agree here. He is English, and has acquitted himself moderately well, and someone (Burnley, Leeds) will pay for him. He is too slow, often out of position, and spends too much time watching the winning goal go by at a distance of about 4 feet.

- Mina, Holgate and Gabriel to compete as starting centre-backs. Mina has too much talent to be sold now, still relatively young, and Holgate is the future. I would love to win the battle for the kid from Lille, but that sounds less likely every day.

- Gibson into first team as back-up centre-back and Cup starter, Branthwaite out on loan to learn his position. Being called into service at 18 is very different than having to play that position every day. (People forget that he gave up 2 goals, and if he were anyone else, regular Everton fans would probably be asking to send him away ASAP. Unrealistic expectations. See Davies.).

- Pickford gets another year to prove he is the man. He has the makings for it… but bring in better competition than Lössl. You will not maximize his sale value this year (unless it is Chelsea coming for him).

- Bernard: He underperformed last season. Advise him to take a pay cut or get loaned. There is talent there, but he gets pushed around too much. He might be best in Italy.

- Sigurdsson is too poor and (lately) slow (4-4-2 does not suit him) to be sold at anything resembling value. He is a bit player now, and should probably be coming off the bench – not a good look for your most expensive signing.

- Walcott has value – he has pace, and can come in as a super sub on the wing to rip tired defenses up late in the game. His crosses have improved, and he actually played defense on a couple of occasions in the late games (If only he had better final touch, but then Arsenal would not have sold him)…

- Bolasie. Just coming back from major injury. Bad timing for him as, if he were younger, I think that he could step back into the first team. Not sure now, as he did not light it up at any of his loan stops. Most likely a loan (but it would be great if Carlo could turn him into a worthwhile player). I still think Zaha is too expensive for us, especially after getting discount Zaha in Iwobi last year.

- Tosun. Should be sold. He is talented, just unlucky with injury. I think he runs the lanes much better than Calvert-Lewin but is not as good at hold up play. He can get you goals. He will want to shine in Turkey in order to play for his country in Europe.

- Davies - definitely needs going on loan (assuming that Gbamin and Delph are healthy). He needs some time away from Everton to determine what he is great at, and he is still very young.

- No Man Utd rejects

So who do we sell in order to bring in new blood?

Sandro
Besic (love the heart)
Tosun
Kenny
Keane
Bolasie
Bernard(?)
Calvert-Lewin(?)
Delph

David Ellis
28 Posted 07/08/2020 at 04:32:46
Jay – Tim Howard, Phil Neville... both were great Everton stalwarts.
Vijay Nair
29 Posted 07/08/2020 at 04:49:07
David, you forget Andrei Kanchelskis. Our best ever pick up from Manchester United, in my opinion.
Sam Hoare
30 Posted 07/08/2020 at 07:44:03
Jonjoe Kenny is a tough one. They will have watched him closely in Germany. My feeling on him is that he is a solid but unspectacular player.

His work ethic and commitment are admirable but he just lacks the dynamism that you'd hope for in a modern full-back. His passing and crossing can be very good and he can strike a ball well but he almost never beats his man and his positioning still needs work.

I'd be curious to see how he does over a season at Everton but I suspect he'd never be as good as Digne. Or prime Coleman.

Our right side has been an issue for a while both defensively and in terms of creating. Getting the likes of Sarr and Dalot would certainly help with the latter but maybe not the former!

Paul Ellam
31 Posted 07/08/2020 at 08:01:20
My thoughts are, if we haven't much cash to splash, then I would rather the £10m (plus wages) go towards sealing the deal on a better winger, centre-back or midfielder.

But, if we have plenty of cash to splash, then let's go for Diogo!

Tony Everan
32 Posted 07/08/2020 at 08:12:43
Is Dalot another fragile player? Is that part of the reason that Man Utd are happy to sell him on a permanent deal?

He has had meniscus cartilage problems in his knee. Hip problems, problems with his groin. A lot of injuries for a young player. Will these injuries reoccur? Will his injury susceptibility increase with age and or with more games? Will we get dependability and reliability out of him?

It really concerns me that Man Utd are offloading a player who has undoubted talent, but they know to be fragile. A player that will break down subjected to the unforgiving rigours of the Premier League. And that we are the suckers ready to take him.

I am all for improving the right-back slot, we need it. But is Dalot really the answer? I really think, if we are overlooking Jonjoe Kenny, there has to be better options. A young player on the up who is resilient , tough, mobile as well as talented, like Max Aarons, would cost more but could well be a far better long-term investment.

Sam Hoare
33 Posted 07/08/2020 at 08:20:17
Aaron's will cost £20M minimum. I still quite like Kenny Tete from Lyon who is very solid both forwards and back but would probably only cost £10M. Though maybe not such an obvious upgrade on Jonjoe.
Jerome Shields
34 Posted 07/08/2020 at 09:27:00
I am always sceptical of any Man Utd player being touted as a potientially permanent Everton player, going by what they have previously managed to offload onto us.
Tony Abrahams
35 Posted 07/08/2020 at 09:44:35
British steel or Portuguese flair? He’s a fullback, not a winger, although obviously talented maybe injuries and Wan Bissaka, haven’t helped his cause, but if he’s been used at left back, I think Solskjaer prefers the other English Mancunian Williams.

He looks great on paper, especially since Jonjoe Kenny has suddenly lost a yard of pace!

Graeme Beresford
36 Posted 07/08/2020 at 10:26:52
17# Martin

I think this is the problem with most Everton fans. Nobody is saying we should sign Messi or Ronaldo but there certainly isn't anything wrong with us trying to attract talented players who aren't here for a last payday.

Yes, I may be going too over the top with the ‘get rid of most of the squad' but to be honest most of them players I have mentioned haven't been good enough for Everton for some years now. What makes us think they deserve to be here.

I would honestly transfer list most of them - I would rather us play kids for a year than have to see Walcott, Tosun, Bolasie, Davies, Pickford, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Sandro, Besic, Delph etc in an Everton shirt again. Poor signings by poor managers and even worse from so-called Directors of Football.

There is nothing wrong with us thinking big but we need to be more brutal with clubs and tell teams to take it or leave it. Zaha – here's £40M take it or leave it, Gabriel here's £30M take it or leave it. Always seems to drag out forever with us.

Clive Rogers
37 Posted 07/08/2020 at 10:39:00
Ken, 28,

Carlo doesn't want Bolasie and has relegated him to training with the U23s.

Nathan Ford
38 Posted 07/08/2020 at 10:45:26
Centre-midfield has to be our 1st priority. I can't take another season seeing opposition players gliding through our lads like a hot knife through butter.

We have viable options in full-back and centre-half positions through Coleman, Kenny at right-back, Holgate, Mina, Kean, Gibson, Branthwaite at centre-back and Digne, Nkounkou and even Gibson at left-back. (I think playing him at left-back would be a great way to introduce him to Premier League football.)

We need some defensive steel in midfield first and foremost with the heart and desire to want to win games.

Tom Bowers
39 Posted 07/08/2020 at 11:17:46
It's amazing how many players show real quality when with other clubs and then they come to Everton and their form goes pear-shaped almost immediately or they get injury-prone.

So many it makes your head spin... but one thing for sure only one man picks the team and tactics and currently that's Ancelotti who's in the hot seat.

We fans don't have the patience anymore to accept feeble excuses for the rot that is being served up and this manager has an enviable task to improve things next season whilst having to contend with some of these underachievers with big contracts and salaries.

Everton, once again, of course, will be linked to every name going but most should be ignored as pure media speculation nothing more.

Hard to envisage much changing in midfield despite that being the obvious weakness in the team but who knows... perhaps Gbamin, when fully fit (if ever), may make a difference alongside Gomes.

Nicholas Ryan
40 Posted 07/08/2020 at 11:19:10
I'm getting a bit fed up with the use of the word 'reject' to describe every player who moves from A to B. This thinking would make Christiano Ronaldo a Real Madrid 'reject' when he went to Juventus.

Dalot seems to be a talented young player, whose route to the first team has been blocked by Wan-Bikassa, who everyone seems to agree, is top-drawer.

It's not as though he's second-choice to a Championship journeyman. At a reported £10M for a 22-year-old, what's the problem?

Robert Tressell
41 Posted 07/08/2020 at 11:28:48
Graeme – you can transfer list them, but who will buy? And if the willing buyer cannot match the wage package then the player won't sign even if we accept the fee.

In terms of transfer sagas, we are not the only club playing the waiting game. Very few deals have been announced / concluded as yet. In reality, we're behind the queue of Champions League / glamour clubs.

It is easy for Man City to buy Torres and Ake early because they have tonnes of money, they win loads of trophies, and players want to join them for great wages and inevitable sporting success.

Chelsea too, to a point with Ziyech and Werner.

Everyone else is having to take a bit of time.

John Graham
42 Posted 07/08/2020 at 11:33:06
Is there an issue with our U23 coaching? Seems we don't really have the ability to take them to the next step. Lots of good youngsters but they end up just being Championship players.

Thank god Branthwaite made the step up fast or he could have been going backwards.

Gary Carter
43 Posted 07/08/2020 at 11:43:35
IN

Dalot, Gabriel Marhaeles, Wilfred Zaha, Jack Grealish, Allan, Lozano, McKennie, Benrahma, Everton Soares

OUT
Iwobi, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Besic, Bernard, Sandro, Fabian Delph, Cenk Tosun, Yannick Bolasie

Simple 😂😂

Graham Hammond
44 Posted 07/08/2020 at 12:38:01
Robert #41,

Do you not think the time may have come to take the hit and subsidise the wages of some of our players at other clubs in order to move them on? I would argue that Sigurdsson, Gomes, Bernard and Iwobi, for example, are all probably best suited to playing in the advanced central midfield role in a 4-2-3-1 formation but not really best suited to other formations other than a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-3-1-2 so I would like two or three of these players mentioned moved on but realise and accept that wages here are a very big factor making this very difficult.

Iwobi, as the player on the least money and also being the youngest, would arguably be the easiest to shift but is possibly the one of the four mentioned I would look to keep.

Clive Rogers
45 Posted 07/08/2020 at 13:48:13
Gary, you’ll do for me. Watch out Carlo.
Christy Ring
46 Posted 07/08/2020 at 16:54:01
The transfer window is open until October, so why not give Kenny a chance? After playing in the Bundesliga last season, isn't he worth a gamble?

Dalot has played a lot less, and another injury-prone player. We have Mina, and Delph constantly injured, and Gbamin won't be seen this side of Christmas, having played a total of 135mins, and that was August 2019.

Ancelotti's first signing, must be a defensive midfielder, which we lacked, and left us toothless this season. Gomes apart from his horrendous injury, was totally ineffective, because Gueye wasn't replaced (unfortunately Gbamin never got the chance to show if he was that player).

Jay Harris
47 Posted 07/08/2020 at 17:49:28
If only, Gary, If only.
Terry White
48 Posted 07/08/2020 at 17:53:23
Christy (#46),

I would agree with you and I'm sure that Jonjoe Kenny could be given every opportunity to prove his value – he is our player and I would expect to see him in whatever pre-season games we play.

I am concerned, however, that he has already "reportedly" expressed a wish to stay with Schalke – Mike Gaynes has pointed out that Schalke had a disastrous run at the end of the season, Kenny included, and it may be that they will look at their squad and decide that he is not for them. Schalke has big problems on and off the pitch and may well not have the money to buy Kenny anyway.

Graham Hammond
49 Posted 07/08/2020 at 18:05:26
I will totally have to agree with Christy (#46) and say that our most important signing (and the position we need to address first and foremost) and biggest priority needs to be a defensive midfielder.
Robert Tressell
50 Posted 07/08/2020 at 20:02:28
Graham, sort of yes. We already subsidise the wages of Bolasie and Ramirez, I expect, while on loan. That kind of amounts to the same thing.

With the likes of Bernard, Sigurdsson and Walcott, there is some limited chance to sell. But, if we sell, it leaves us very light on cover. Walcott leaves for free next summer anyway.

Unfortunately, we probably need to eke things out with this lot while we rebuild. I suspect Iwobi will be with us for a good while yet.

The point is, we cannot realistically turnover the squad in one window. We just don't have enough money.

Mike Corcoran
51 Posted 07/08/2020 at 20:58:46
We just haven't got the staff for 4-4-2 and that's not going to happen any time soon. Carlo needs to stop with that shite and start using formations to bring the best out of his players. Oh yeah and get two really decent centre-midfielders for a 4-2-3-1.
Paul Birmingham
52 Posted 07/08/2020 at 21:16:36
For me, the priority is to get a balanced and effective team with the right chemistry at the minimum, and in this window. It is, as all the preceding windows in the last 25 years, massive.

Goalkeeper, centre-back, box-to-box centre-midfielder, competition for the forwards.

Arguably the events of this year, unsurpassed, Everton's form, as usual, but even worse than for many seasons, and cash flow for most clubs will be tight.

Whoever we get, if we get any this window, I hope are traded for the right reasons.

I hint if Kenny doesn't get a chance this preseason, he'll be on his way.

Ifs, buts and patience.. But there can be no more excuses.

Hopefully the rank form of the last 9 games will be used as a spur to drive the squad on.

God knows what's coming but we live in hope.

Steve Shave
53 Posted 07/08/2020 at 21:43:14
Boys, we've found our new DOF — look no further than Gary (43). ;)
Gavin Johnson
54 Posted 07/08/2020 at 22:06:52
Buying Dalot for £10M and selling Kenny for £12-13M would make sense. He was very highly rated when Man Utd bought him. It's hardly surprising he isn't getting ahead of Wan-Bissak,a who is one of the best right-backs in the Premier League.

I'd also be tempted to buy Robinson back from Wigan too. Apparently we don't get any sell-on if the fee's under what Wigan paid and, as they're in administration, they're apparently willing to let him go for £1.5M. I think he'd be a prudent buy and is good enough to be Digne's understudy from the bench.

Barry Rathbone
55 Posted 07/08/2020 at 22:55:03
Another Man Utd cast-off to electrify the faithful – it's like Groundhog Day!

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results." He must've visited Goodison.

Probably firmed up his idea of interchangeable energy and matter, cries of "no energy out there" must have been like catnip to him.

Graham Hammond
56 Posted 07/08/2020 at 23:39:36
Another name now rumoured to be available to raise funds is Maitland-Niles at Arsenal. He would appear to be another option for right--back, right-midfield, or right-wing and, with his versatility, could seemingly do a job in a few positions for us which may appeal to Carlo. Any thoughts?

I would obviously love Sarr but fear you would looking at £50 - 60M for that particular player and I very much doubt he would be interested in coming to us sadly.

Stephen Vincent
57 Posted 07/08/2020 at 23:45:13
Wolves punished by UEFA under FFP rules.

Punishment is not horrendous but these proposed purchases (above) will come back and bite us on the bum if they were to be carried out, especially since we are so close to the edge anyway.

We just need to concentrate on the areas where our first choice is not acceptable and accept that there are unlikely to be any marquee signings.

Bill Gienapp
58 Posted 07/08/2020 at 00:39:51
Gary (43) – kind of reminds me of Seinfeld, when George is working for the Yankees and says "I got it! We trade Jim Leyritz and Bernie Williams... for Barry Bonds!"
Gavin Johnson
59 Posted 08/08/2020 at 03:32:30
Barry #55 – while technically Dalot would be a Man Utd reject insofar that they're prepared to sell him, he isn't a stereotypical reject in being a player who reached, or reaching his peak in age and ability and not made it at a so-called bigger club. So that would be someone like Lingard or the likes of Iwobi and Walcott.

Everyone is in agreement that we need to move away from buying those kind of players. Dalot is only 21 years old, hasn't been given much of a chance because Man Utd bought him when he was 19 and they've since bought Wan-Bissaka, so when you look at the deal properly he actually fits more into profile of player we should be looking at.

Look at our own deal for Vlasic who also signed as a 19-year-old and had to get used to living in a foreign country as well as acclimatise to a different pace of football. He moved club and now he'd walk into Everton's side and Napoli are talking of buying him when Allan leaves. Try and look at the possible Dalot deal in those terms instead of just saying "Man Utd Reject".

Sam Hoare
60 Posted 08/08/2020 at 08:02:10
Buy a player from a team above us: “cast-off”.
Buy a player from a team below us: “relegation fodder” or “ journeyman”.
Buy a player from Holland, France, Turkey, Russia, Portugal, Scotland etc: “Only played in Mickey Mouse league”.
Buy a player from Italy, Spain, Germany: “foreign mercenary”.

Some people just love a moan!

Colin Glassar
61 Posted 08/08/2020 at 08:28:14
Sam, don't forget:

Buy a 23-year-old player: “too young”
But a 25-year-old player: “too old – no sell-on value”,
Or too small, too tall, too slow, too fat, too thin etc...

We should get the two kids from the film Weird Science too make us the perfect player. [Although I'd settle for the perfect woman they created if it was up to me...]

Gary Willock
62 Posted 08/08/2020 at 09:03:45
I'd personally like to see what Kenny can do, as he's done okay in Germany, and could possibly replace seamus in character not just position. Giving him until January to make it his own seems a fair bet to me.

However, as Gavin #54 suggested, if we got Dalot, sold Kenny, and broke even, that's not a bad scenario either. I also like the suggestion of getting Robinson back too. Let him and the young French lad compete to become Number 2 there.

Ultimately I think we need to focus more on what we need most: central midfield and a right-sided midfielder who are both an asset at both ends of the pitch!

Dan Nulty
63 Posted 08/08/2020 at 09:30:04
I don't see why we would do this when we have Kenny coming back. Spend the money elsewhere. Especially when Seamus played relatively well after lockdown.

I don't think we can afford to be guessing on Dalot when no scout can have seen that much of him since his move to Man Utd... who can't have been that impressed if they wanted to spend £50M on Wan-Bissaka.

Lester Yip
64 Posted 08/08/2020 at 09:31:13
Sam (#60) and Colin (#61): Can't agree more. Lol...
Mike Corcoran
65 Posted 08/08/2020 at 09:43:39
Robinson at £1.5M is a no-brainer.
Bill Gienapp
66 Posted 08/08/2020 at 09:45:11
Sam (60) / Colin (61) - also, we shouldn't buy from within the Premier League period, because everyone is overvalued / costs too much.
Mark Dunford
67 Posted 08/08/2020 at 10:16:57
Not a priority position. Coleman and Kenny should suffice and Kenny has certainly earned an opportunity.

Focus should be on midfield, the left-sided centre-half, goalkeeping competition and losing baggage – some of which will be very hard to unload. Anything else may just be a bonus.

Robert Tressell
68 Posted 08/08/2020 at 10:32:49
Bill – I generally agree. Buying gifted players with no route to first team is good though, home or abroad. So the likes of Dalot are fine by me and often not bad value.

Mike – it'd be great to have Robinson back but he won't get games. He'll go somewhere to be or compete for first choice.

Dave Abrahams
69 Posted 08/08/2020 at 11:01:47
Mike (65),

Robinson could be a good buy back from Wigan at £1.5M for the left-back position but I think Everton have very good expectations for the young lad they bought from France, Nkounkou, a good strong player with pace who could prove he is ready to train with the first team as early as the new close season.

Mike Corcoran
70 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:03:41
Dave 69,

Buy him back and loan him straight out for the season, might get a taker from a promoted or lower half Premier League team? There's good value there...

Stephen Vincent
71 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:14:25
Bit off topic, but just bought a jar of Everton honey at a farmers market. On tasting, I find that it has no sting, like our forwards, no body, like our midfield, and is made of honeycomb, like our defence.

One use could be to spread it all over Pickford's gloves.

Michael Kenrick
72 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:20:55
Sweet!
Patrick McFarlane
73 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:27:59
If this lad is signed, imagine his bemusement when around Christmas he's sitting in the stand at Goodison still awaiting his debut for Everton and the cry goes up from the crowd "Sell Da lot", "Sell Da Lot", "Sell Da Lot"!
Dave Abrahams
74 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:38:49
Mike (70), I don’t see any harm in that as long Robinson goes along with the plan.
Tony McNulty
75 Posted 08/08/2020 at 12:46:43
Stephen (71),

That's called sticking the knife in.

Marc Hints
76 Posted 08/08/2020 at 14:15:38
Mark #67:

"Coleman should suffice"?

Have you not see the last twelve months, Coleman is past it I'm afraid, is that our ambition now – let's just keep Coleman?

Barry Rathbone
77 Posted 08/08/2020 at 14:32:16
Gavin @59,

"as well as acclimatise to a different pace of football. He moved club and now he'd walk into Everton's side "

He's playing in Russia, his acclimatisation didn't work – hence walking into Everton's side doesn't follow.

He didn't make it here as Dalot didn't at Man Utd; ergo, both are rejects as per the "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck so is a duck" rationale.

People do over-analyse simple concepts.

Clive Rogers
78 Posted 08/08/2020 at 14:39:18
Can’t see us bringing Robinson back. If we let him go, someone must have decided he wasn’t good enough.
Tony Everan
79 Posted 08/08/2020 at 15:09:40
Stephen #71,

I bet you paid top dollar for it, and now you can't give it away.

Tom Bowers
80 Posted 08/08/2020 at 15:35:33
Sadly Seamus has not been the same since that horrific injury and also he isn't getting any younger. Your mental aptitude and speed may only be marginally affected but in the Premier League. it can matter.

Whilst at central defence Everton have 4 decent players to pick from the full-back positions are dodgy. Digne is decent but Jonjoe Kenny may be a better option at right-back being more like Seamus but Carlo may not fancy him.

Having a marauding right-back again would be nice especially as Holgate has the speed to cover that area and Branthwaite looks like he could do it on the other side.

Once they get that sorted, then the midfield has to be the criteria as what has happened there is not good, to say the least.

Graham Hammond
81 Posted 08/08/2020 at 15:42:29
Clive #78,

Someone also decided that Phil Jagielka and Leighton Baines were not good enough when in the academy and so they were released, but those decisions were later reversed at substantial cost to the club. I think it is fair to say that decisions at the club are all too rarely correct.

Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 08/08/2020 at 15:52:09
Sam #60 and Colin #61, you covered it perfectly.

Oh, don't forget "past it". Saw that one a lot with Distin and Barry.

Jack Convery
83 Posted 08/08/2020 at 15:59:51
Expect Norwich to buy Robinson for £1.5M and sell Lewis for £20M.

Peter Roberts
84 Posted 08/08/2020 at 16:46:49
Off-topic but French media sources saying were after Thomas Lemar of Atletico Madrid. This was the left-winger who was a massive hit at Monaco and left for massive money. He's 24.

Now we're talking. He's had a bad time at Atletico and will be hungry to prove a point. He's naturally left-sided and fits the age profile were looking for. If he's surplus to requirements we will probably be able to command a lower fee than that which would otherwise put us out of his range.

Go get him, Carlo.

Graham Hammond
85 Posted 08/08/2020 at 17:10:34
Peter #84,

I really feel right now that our biggest priority has to be a quality defensive midfield player, this will make a big difference to us. Lemar will be very expensive, has no Premier League experience and will probably not want to come to us anyway.

I do not see the club taking big risks going forward, if Brands gets it badly wrong yet again on a big-money signing then his neck will be on the chopping block, same even with Carlo but to a lesser extent.

The money has to first go on a Coleman replacement and a fast centre-back and 'keeper before we consider more offensive positions. Build from the back in my opinion.

Clive Rogers
86 Posted 08/08/2020 at 17:49:39
Graham, 81, yes, I agree, but the point is that he only left a year ago and whoever decided he wasn't good enough is still there and it would be a loss of face. Baines and Jagielka were both brought back years later.

I doubt very much he will be brought back.

Ray Said
87 Posted 08/08/2020 at 18:13:53
I think Dalot would be a good buy, especially considering the importance of the full back to the modern game. It's a rare game now when Coleman bursts past a defender and gets a cross in. Most of the time he does get forward he stops the momentum and passes backwards.

If we can't get a full-back who can both attack well and defend well then could we look at retaining Coleman for this defensive qualities and play him at away games when we are likely to sit deeper and play counter-attack, and have Dalot or a similar attacking back for home games when we have more of the ball?

Graham Hammond
88 Posted 08/08/2020 at 18:23:38
Clive #86,

I would like to think and believe that the interests of the club were more important than 'losing face' even though I do believe that is not always the case at Everton and how it is 'managed'. Seems a bit of a no-brainer to me on so many levels to try and bring Robinson back into the fold.

We have to factor in and recognise also that a big bid could come in at any time for Lucas Digne which although I do not want to see that particular player leave, I also recognise we are pretty skint again because of stupid past signings.

We have others areas that need strengthening as a priority and possibly that could only be done with cash from the sale of Digne. Hopefully, we can strengthen without needing Digne to be sold.

Clive Rogers
89 Posted 08/08/2020 at 18:46:51
Graham, sorry but there is no way he will be back. We have just signed a left-back anyway. He would be third choice.
Stephen Vincent
90 Posted 08/08/2020 at 18:51:03
Tony #79, yeah it was £5 but, as soon as the guy saw how much I had in my wallet, it went up to a tenner!!!!
Graham Hammond
91 Posted 08/08/2020 at 19:09:55
Clive #89,

As things stand, then I totally agree with you. I do have a nasty feeling though that Digne will be sold in the coming weeks and that will change things and therefore also open the possibility of a return of Robinson. We will see.

Gavin Johnson
92 Posted 08/08/2020 at 22:22:12
Barry #77,

Vlasic has not just shone in Russia. He's also shone on the highest stage and been Man of the Match in Champions League fixtures. Champions League clubs are now looking at him

He didn't make it after solitary season with us because we bought several players in the same position and he never had a run of games. It is also a big deal moving and playing in a foreign country as a teenager. Just ask Moise Kean.

With your simple logic, Vlasic is just an Everton reject and not good enough but the aforementioned shows that it's quite the contrary.

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