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1 Posted 06/10/2019 at 02:17:56
2 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:03:41
You ask, "why do we deserve this", in one word the answer is complacency
of loyal supporters who week after week, year after year turn up in their thousands to watch second rate rubbish.
3 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:43:17
I agree with your ratings, Paul, except I would have switched Iwobe and Rich. I think Iwobi had a much better day passing, although his failure on that chance was disappointing. Rich just couldnt make connections with anybody.
4 Posted 06/10/2019 at 03:53:18
I was gonna say something similar but you beat me to it. Although it could be sins from our future since time is a construct.
5 Posted 06/10/2019 at 04:08:38
The Lord loves suffering. His Chosen are tasked to walk the path of trial and tribulation, suffering and persecution.
We're all going to heaven. Rejoice! ;0)
6 Posted 06/10/2019 at 04:19:30
7 Posted 06/10/2019 at 05:16:50
8 Posted 06/10/2019 at 06:14:16
Maybe it's advancing years, or other priorities, but I've long lost the passion that meant you couldn't talk to me for 2 days after a defeat. I just can't get excited watching a team of multi millionaires just so abjectly concede. A half-hearted clap on the way off is scant reward for the fans who do go, game in, game out.
We've lost our way since the plucky Everton reputation under Moyes (and I was no fan of the 2nd part of his tenure), however whilst it seems that off the pitch (appointing Brands, BMD etc.) we are making progress, we're still missing something on the pitch. We can't just simply keep sacking managers - if Moshiri, and I assume Brands was involved, wanted Silva then they must give him the time unless there is something more sinister going on in the dressing room.
I was distraught to listen to 606 and a fan calling up begging for Moyes to come back. Moyes is in the same camp as Mourihno. A dinosaur who never evolved his thinking once he was sussed out. Except the latter won a stack of trophies, albeit spending a stack of cash. The best managers evolve, constantly. Sad to say but that lot across the park, and their former manager, are prime examples. I know some on here want Benitez - but I would argue he's closer to Moyes in pramatism than someone like a Klopp or Rodgers. Also those with long memories will remember the outcry when John Toshack was lined up to become our manager in the early 90s
But at least Everton always gives you something to talk about in the pub! We're in for another season of struggle I fear...
9 Posted 06/10/2019 at 06:29:07
Funnily enough I too left the UK in 2004, but with all the Media deals see more of them now than ever on TV.
Just glad I am not there under this cloud, and with all those horrible Kloppites gloating.
10 Posted 06/10/2019 at 07:10:59
11 Posted 06/10/2019 at 07:31:58
Now I've slept and calmed down a bit, I wanted to add a few comments external to the match which I hope might raise a smile or at the least put losing a game of football, or several games of football, into perspective...
Davies, Holgate and Lennon
While our substitutes and theirs warmed up at the break, it was great to see Tom, Mason and Aaron embrace and have a good chat, all with smiles. Jay Rodriguez also. You don't see that solidarity often enough in football. Aaron got a great reception from our fans also.
Gary Parkinson and Dave Thomas
At half time there was an announcement about Gary Parkinson, an ex-Everton trainee and Ex-Burnley coach, who suffers from Locked-In Syndrome. To the best of my knowledge, this essentially delibitates you, making you completely unable to move or communicate, though you can see and hear. It sounds awful. Dave Thomas, who was on the pitch at half time last week I believe, also came on the pitch at the break. He was a wonderful winger for Burnley and then Everton in his day by all accounts. He is now registered blind.
My family are in good health. It really makes me realise how lucky we are as not everybody is so. Never take anything for granted.
After yesterday Marco won't be taking his job for granted, that's for sure.
12 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:13:53
13 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:17:17
Thanks. I feel better already.
14 Posted 06/10/2019 at 08:17:18
Thanks. I feel better already.
15 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:06:59
16 Posted 06/10/2019 at 09:11:12
17 Posted 06/10/2019 at 12:18:18
We have a keeper of questionable temperament, who seems incapable of coming off his line to cope with even the most innocuous of crosses. Yet his place in the team appears guaranteed, regardless of results. Schneiderlin and Sigurrdson have been repeatedly tried and tested yet found wanting. We now know why Spurs parted with Sigurrdson years ago. He is quite simply ineffective, lacking in too many aspects of his game. Yet Silva persists with him. Insanity.
In terms of excitement, our season is already over, save for a Cup run, or indeed, with a spate of daunting pre Christmas fixtures looming, a relegation battle. Perhaps God forbid, another January call to 'Fireman Sam'?
18 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:13:11
19 Posted 06/10/2019 at 13:33:46
Of course the same people were calling for Allardyces head and those of all his predecessors. I think we all knew Silva was never going to be the transformational manager every club seeks but very few find. For the time being though he is here and surely we are better advised to give him a chance to make the best of what he has available than risk another dabble in the market of unemployed managers or those seeking an ‘exciting project or just brazenly out to increase their salary. I think we are in a marginally better state than two years ago when Koeman had completely lost the plot.
The return of Gomes should give the midfield a better balance. When he gets fit JPG should give us greater pace and power in midfield. Dropping Sigurdsson is overdue. Play three runners and chasers up front from DCL, Kean, Bernard, Richarlison, Tosun, Walcott and Iwobi and get the ball up to them in two or three passes rather than the laboured six or seven (sometimes a tortuous sixteen or seventeen) we currently take. It was interesting yesterday to note we sometimes looked more purposeful going forward after going down to ten men than we did with the full eleven. Without Sigurdsson to complicate things we sent the ball forward more rapidly.
I didnt attach any blame to Pickford for the goal. Clean sheets are about the team as a whole adopting the right defensive tactics from front to back. Our keeper cannot command the box in the way Pope did but that deficiency has been long known and by now we should have learned to live with it. By and large we looked solid yesterday but were let down by nobody tracking Hendrick - twice!
20 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:53:10
The owner needs to appoint a manager who knows the league, bring youth through and with a limited budget. Unless we spend a further 300 million with a top European manager. Top four may be a possibility. This won't happen! The owner is clawing some money back by balancing the books. Who can blame him? I don't.
The stadium has to come but if relagation happens, forget it. Our history is great but it's means nothing. In reality, positive results and who the manager is wouldn't be important. Let's stop with this world class manager. If it happens fine but it's boom or bust time. Over inflated fees/salaries to get average players. We need stability while the ground is being built.
All I know is supporting this club can lower the mood.
21 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:19:46
22 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:29:47
In short, Everton don't deserve us.
But all we can do is support the manager. We have no choice, since changing the manager not only has no guarantee of success but from recent experience is likely to produce more expectation followed by let-down. There seem to be deeper problems at Everton than simply the manager. We have a good squad of players who can play well under this manager. We can only hope that things can be turned around, but we can supplement that hope by continuing to support the manager and players. I cannot think of any other way forward.
23 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:51:52
24 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:03:01
25 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:16:50
If Silva is to survive, he needs the players to play for him and, of course, to play for the fans who pay so much to watch them.
26 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:35:39
"Liverpool meanwhile have fans you love to loathe. You cant go anywhere in the world without running into them. They are loved by all,"
Sorry Paul but that statement is really wide of the mark, I know many people who spend their time supporting lower league teams never mind local EPL teams. I also know people who really don't have that much time for football but to a man they f**king hate Liverpool FC and their totally biased fans.
27 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:48:48
Hillsborough was a long time ago, and the residual sympathy and good will towards them has been missing for a good few years now. The rest of the footy world can see them for the lucky, classless, graceless spivs we have long known them to be.
That said - this is looking like it's their time. And it most definitely is not ours.
28 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:03:19
29 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:10:06
30 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:28:13
In answer to the question " Why do we deserve this, Evertonian's" ? the answer is we don't, nor do the supporters of any club in a similar position, but these things are part and parcel of the game, and any club finding themselves in this situation should be able to count on the support of their fans.
Of course it's disappointing but with 30 games remaining, now is not the time for mass hysteria. I may add that I have experienced a relegation in  and it's not something I would like to experience again, but we've a long time to go, so lets get behind the team and whoever may be the Manager.
31 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:28:41
32 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:10:19
Now is the time for him to go, during the break for the internationals, whilst we have to spend nearly a fortnight sitting in the relegation zone.
33 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:36:06
There's no fighting team at Everton, and each week, it seems now that we are fodder for any team.
Wolves won today, they probably should have beaten us, if we are honest, in terms of chances.
The team has no spirit and needs a massive jolt of belief. West Ham is the game, must win and for Marco Silva, monumental.
What will change?
34 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:56:26
To an extent, you are right, but I normally am a supporter of such points that you have raised. But I got a shock, how bad the play really was. The not tracking of Hendrix twice was really poor, saved by Pickford the first time, should have sent out alarm bells and didn't.
But having thought about it, you are right, let's see what happens against West Ham. We really don't have any alternatives at this stage of the season.
I agree with Stan as well.
35 Posted 08/10/2019 at 11:50:03
Pains me to say it, but why not try and copy that lot.
What have we got to lose?
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