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Craig Walker
1 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:19:43
They rest 5 players but I still think they’re too good. Come on Everton. Get fired up and beat the fcukers!
Dave Williams
2 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:20:41
Siggy retained??
Unbelievable!!
Kevin Prytherch
3 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:21:24
So Silva hit on a formation and setup that blatantly worked against good opposition but struggled against poorer opposition. (4-2-3-1)

He then perseveres with it against poorer opposition and ditches it against better opposition.

Jim Bennings
4 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:21:25
Midfield static and will be overrun let’s face it.

Dave Ganley
5 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:22:45
Yeah klopp giving us a complete and utter "you're nothing" message with his line up. Come on blues for once do these horrible fuckers
George Cumiskey
6 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:23:55
The same team that failed on Sunday. You couldn't make it up.
Craig Walker
7 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:25:01
I’d have thrown Kean at them. He might offer the unknown and make himself a hero.
Nigel Peters
8 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:25:30
The ultimate insult, they have put out the B team. Sign of the times, the gap in ability is really that big. Let’s hope we can at least be competitive and stuff it back down their scraggy throats
Steve Ferns
9 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:27:29
It’s the same team that played very well against Leicester and was beating them. We need to be better in the second half, not the first. And let’s keep Kean fresh to come off the bench and exploit the space that will appear in the second half.

Our team is better than everyone on Amazon is saying. No one gives us a chance. Obviously not even klipperty. Bows the time for us to prove everyone wrong. If that doesn’t motivate you, what will?

George Cumiskey
10 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:31:10
Steve Ferns coming out in support of Silva !. What a surprise.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

11 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:33:18
Is Klopp exuding confidence or contempt for Everton with that selection?

I for one believe the words of Sidibe earlier this week. A pro sports person relishes these sorts of challenges, a chance to pit yourself against the very best. A chance to become a lifelong hero in 90 minutes.

Tonight is the night.

We can be heroes, even if it is just for one day.

Get it done, Blues.

Ciarán McGlone
12 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:33:47
Cant see anything but a loss with that line up. No balls.
Gerry Ring
13 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:37:30
We need to be very bloody physical & give these shitheads something to think about!!!!
Martin Nicholls
14 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:39:33
George#10 - unfair swipe at Steve. I don't agree with him in his defence of Silva but can see nothing in his post that comes out as a "defence of Silva". For once, I agree with Steve.
Martin Nicholls
15 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:40:34
Jay#11 - agreed, and well said.
Bill Gienapp
16 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:44:01
Not saying this is the right formation for this match (a back three always makes me nervous), but I'm not sure why people would say this lineup "failed" on Sunday when it worked to perfection in the first half, we shut Leicester down for roughly three-quarters of the match and they only won on a last-second goal.
Danny Baily
17 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:45:40
I'd have gone with Tosun up top.
Robert Tressell
18 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:46:28
I don't like Divok Origi.
Anthony Murphy
19 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:51:32
Their line up is arrogance personified. No team talk needed.
Brian Williams
20 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:52:46
Ciaran. You said more or less the same before the Leicester game.
What line up would you have preferred?
Ray Roche
21 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:53:49
Shaqiri is wearing a fuckin’ wig!
Steve Ferns
22 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:54:49
Are Everton playing tonight? You wouldn’t know it from Amazon’s coverage.
Stephen Brown
23 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:55:28
The amazon prime coverage cannot get any further up Klopp and RS arse! I’ve had to turn it off until ko!

I’d love to beat these tonight!

Gerry Ring
24 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:03:14
Stephen @ 23
I’m watching Premier Sports 1 & had to switch over to watch Utd v Spurs due to the sickening pre match bullshit about redshite. Pathetic!
Stephen Brown
25 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:08:42
Gerry
It’s nauseating! There are two teams playing and I’m not exaggerating but 95% of the air time has been devoted to blowing smoke up their arse!

Would it be too much to ask to spoil the love in? Surely we all deserve a break?!

Steve Ferns
26 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:10:27
I switched to the every goal channel. Just seen Leicester have been robbed of a pen. Why can’t they have had bad luck against us?
Gary Willock
27 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:11:21
Bottom 3 going in

I hope I eat these words, the Moshiri - WTF?

Phil Smith
28 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:13:04
I would have had Coleman in for this one but his replacement was the best player we had against Leicester, so... At least Schnides is on the bench. 1-1.
Steve Ferns
29 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:22:01
Cheerio silva. That’s that then.
Jack Ledwidge
30 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:23:21
A howler. Keane asleep for a though ball. Schoolboy stuff.
Simon Dalzell
32 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:26:06
Keane asleep,yes, but Pickford made it easy again.
Ciarán McGlone
33 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:28:28
Is there any chance we could sack Silva during the actual match?
Peter Gorman
34 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:28:42
These are mice in blue jerseys.
Danny Baily
35 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:30:57
I'd this was FIFA we could forfeit the match and only lose by three.
Steve Ferns
36 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:33:10
It’s what everyone feared and more.

Moyes in tomorrow then.

Steve Ferns
38 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:36:31
Come on!
Jack Ledwidge
39 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:36:48
This is just ridiculous. Another through ball. Nobody goes with the runner.Siggy at fault. Keane pulls one back. Come on 2-1
Christian Hill
40 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:40:11
I'm a life long Blue but I'll be off the the bookies tomorrow to put on a relegation bet
Simon Dalzell
41 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:46:29
Shithouse Trent should be off. Ally Mccoist making a fool of himself on commentary.
Steve Ferns
42 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:47:48
What’s the point in Keane being on the pitch?
Paul Birmingham
43 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:48:59
Lost at sea again, all over the place. This looks like it could be one of the worst nights in EFC history.

Defence is shot to pieces...Why not put Moise on, their defence has nothing to do?

It’s a practice match.

Steve Ferns
44 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:50:13
Should have taken Keane off
Joe McMahon
45 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:51:40
The 25 million signing of Micheal Keane will relegate Everton (along with a No 9 who doesn't score). Just like Boro with Afonso Alves (big money then) relegated them.
Danny Baily
46 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:52:30
Pickford is all over the place.
Simon Dalzell
47 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:52:32
Agree Paul #43. Silva doesn't want to save himself. Id've backed kean to score the chance Calvert lewin not surprisingly blew. ( Typical of him. )
Gerry Ring
48 Posted 04/12/2019 at 20:57:18
Sidibe one of the few showing a bit of aggression & he takes him off to bring on a midfielder. Does Silva realise we’re losing?? We’re probably just unlucky!!!
Tony Hill
49 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:02:43
We are an embarrassment. This is a relegation side and no doubt about it. Who on earth would want to come in and manage a club as dysfunctional throughout as us?

A Board of dithering buffoons and a team of weaklings, mental and physical.

We had serious chances to make a game of this and we have bottled it and melted (what a shock).

They can all fuck off.

Peter Gorman
50 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:03:55
"Are Everton playing tonight? You wouldn’t know it from Amazon’s coverage."

Apparently not Steve. What a shower of shithouses these players are, the club a total laughing stock from top to bottom.

Mike Bell
51 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:04:07
Awful. Simply awful.
Steve Ferns
52 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:05:06
Tony, we will sign what we need to sign in January.

It’s worth watching to see who has the pride to keep fighting and so who we can keep from the wreckage of Silva’s Everton.

Tony Hill
53 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:05:43
Unless, of course, we come back to make it 4-4. Bizarrely, we are playing some very decent stuff going forward.
Steve Ferns
54 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:07:08
No chance Tony. More likely they will hit 6 or more.
Ken Kneale
55 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:07:28
if he had a shred of self respect, Silva should resign
Tony Twist
56 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:21
Plain and simple, you do not play a high line with slow and cumbersome defenders. It is obvious stuff, Silva, a good coach my arse! If you have to play the likes of Keane then you have to get bodies between the goal and the opposition. These defenders are trying to play off-side all the time, it is amateurish and just plain old lazy. I don't want much just a team that can do the basics well but this team can't even do the basics and that is down to lack of training, to much light and fluff one touch passing not defensive drills for days. Utterly pathetic.
Steve Ferns
57 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:29
Ken, name the last manager to resign.
Richard Cusworth
58 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:08:45
I hate changing Managers but this is just unacceptable. The guy has had bad luck with injuries granted... But back 5 never ever has suited us This is their B team... Getting hammered... Bottom 3 tonight. Just not working... No way back from this Time for change and now... This has been embarrassing in the extreme was always going to be from the time line up was announced. Absolutely gutted but not suprised
Justin Clark
59 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:09:19
He's just not a leader. His sullen, sunken eyes. I wouldn't look to that for inspiration. Just go
Tony Hill
60 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:09:31
I do seriously take heart, Steve, from some of our play despite my rant. Ludicrous though it seems to say it. I don't think there have been many sides who've cut them open like we have. The defence is obviously appalling.
Christy Ring
61 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:10:01
Any sign of our captain??
Steve Ferns
62 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:13:00
David Moyes is loving this.
Gerry Ring
63 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:16:13
The defensive set up is a completely shambles. Trying to play high when we don’t have the pace to recover is madness. Hopefully they leave wooly head & denture man on the bench or we could be completely embarrassed!
Pete Hughes
64 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:17:40
Who's fucking bright idea was it to give him two more games after the Norwich fiasco??
Gerry Ring
65 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:18:55
Steve I’m sure he isn’t but I hope Silva is feeling completely embarrassed & accepts he’s out of his depth by miles.
Dean Richardson
66 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:19:50
Tom Davies...skipping around. Siggy...no interest. Sidibe..Keane...Pickford..Iwobi. How can so many players play so badly at the same time?
Mike Galley
67 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:20:00
As sure as night follows day, the redshite are going to come steaming out and get a fifth! Our manager will do. O thing to counterCt this, he has to go!
Steve Ferns
68 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:21:36
Gerry, the manager is gone for sure. But the shambles of a defence will still be there and we’ll get torn apart over the next few games. This is a lot deeper than the manager.
Fran Mitchell
69 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:21:48
That was pathetic. Truly awful. How we have 2 goals and can still consider ourselves 'in the game' is beyond me.

That defensive set up is just dreadful, non-league standard. The players look like they're absolute strangers. Woeful. Woeful.

Depressing.

COYB - ignore the idiot in the dugout and play with some pride and get something from this game.

Ernie Baywood
70 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:22:11
Tony Twist - that's exactly the problem.

If we had a terrible team I could take this. But we don't, we actually have more technically proficient footballers than we usually take to Anfield. 2 goals isn't to be sniffed at.

But we can't do the absolute basics. Nowhere near it.

That's the manager and he needs a miracle in this half to save his job.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

71 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:23:24
Can somebody - anybody! - please explain what the hell are we watching here?

Klopp has clearly done his homework. Against this Everton, a nominal back five or a flat back four, with the 'midfield' it has in front of it, guile, possession, ground passing through us from back to front is not necessary.

Land the ball in the right area from a long ball to turn the Everton defence in the gap between our back line and the keeper, with runners coming on to the ball from deep, and you will score goals. With ease.

Personally, I perfectly understand why Sidibe was the one sacrificed. He was permanently in advance of our nominal midfield on virtually every play.

Having got back to 2-1 after the early double blow within 16 minutes, we needed to take the frenzy out of the game for a spell, but no. We were too gung-ho and were once again undone with a great long ball, supreme 1st touch and finish by the Ogre. Then to compound it, in trying to recycle the ball following our corner, Tom Davies is left with 3 men running at him with the inevitable result.

It's a near miracle that Richarlison's goal off a nice move sees as trailing by a mere two at the interval.

Make no mistake. The execution and weight of the Liverpool passing in creating their goals, the running, control and finishing is top, top draw. But Marco Silva and his tactics have been brutally, but brutally exposed tonight.

This could get very messy, or be very heroic.

Now, tonight, would be a really, really, but REALLY good time Marco to defy all the odds in finally breaking your awful record at Everton of never coming back to win a PL having conceded the first game.

It could be your very last chance to do so, should the 2nd half mimick the 1st half.

Ken Kneale
72 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:27:23
Steve - even your support for this clown must be wavering. He has brought Everton to a new low
Robert Tressell
73 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:28:45
Why didn't we get the penalty (which was a penalty) and isn't the whole team screaming about the injustice???

We take it lying down, time and time again. More successful teams don't accept it and the referees cave in. Not even a referral to VAR by the looks of things.

Gerry Ring
74 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:33:22
Steve, I completely accept that, however our defensive set up has been all wrong going back to last season. It’s very worrying with the games coming up and the form were in.
Steve Ferns
75 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:45:46
On comes Schniederlin to save Silva's job? Seriously, Marco, What The Fuck???

I know Tom Davies has had an injury, but the anonymous Sigurdsson stays on?

Danny Baily
76 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:50:16
Can't even string a few passes together.
Ciarán McGlone
77 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:18
This game has fundamentally exposed how brutally awful Sigurdsson is...he has spent more time trying to grab players as they ghosted effortlessly past him, than he has kicking the ball.

And yet our 'coach' substitutes Davies... we have good players. All of this... every single problem is down to the manager. He simply hasn't a fuckin' clue what he's at.

Iain Jones
78 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:21
We’re in deep shit now! Who’s coming to save us?
Jim Bennings
79 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:51:50
I personally think we’ll go 50 years without winning a derby.

It’s gone on too long now and frankly the gap is bigger now than it’s ever been before.

As for the joke that is known as Everton, the laughing circus (our boardroom) should be really proud of this shite they’ve served up this season.

But hey ho, In Brands We Trust and all that bollox blah blah blah blah.

Joe McMahon
80 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:54:13
Jim @79, well there won't be any for a while after this season, unless we draw them in the FA Cup at Anfield, as usual.
Simon Dalzell
81 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:54:57
Welcome aboard Steve. Better late than never. Silva has been making decisions (or non-decisions) like this since Day One. I commend your will to stick by him, but have never understood it.
Joe McMahon
82 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:55:14
Ian @ 78, we should have kept Sam a while longer. But hey-ho, people didn't like him.
Christy Ring
83 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:55:30
As Steve says, how is Sigurdsson still on the field?

Silva is totally out of his depth.

Fran Mitchell
84 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:57:03
We are in the relegation zone...and make no mistake - we are at real risk of relegation and of course, just to rub it in, 'they' will likely win the league and even the Champions League.

Silva should be sacked before he leaves anfield. We are woefully poor at the moment.

The same mistake after the same mistake and nothing is changing or improving.

Kevin Prytherch
85 Posted 04/12/2019 at 21:59:33
Today was the day we needed to be compact defensively and we had the players to do it. Instead we play a back 3 who get pulled apart, wing backs who get caught up field, Sigurdsson who offers nothing in the middle, Iwobi who some still tout as our central midfield answer and our best defensive wide player in Richarlison up front.

Then, when chasing the game, DCL, who might get on the end of a cross comes off, Schneiderlin, who should have been on when keeping it tight and who should under no circumstances ever be playing when chasing a game, comes on for the only midfielder who gets the ball and looks for a forward pass.

All this while the brilliantly scouted Iwobi stays on the field (have we ever wasted £30million this poorly) and Sigurdsson stays in the centre of midfield.

Silva hit on a formula against the better teams last season. This season he has persisted with it against the poorer teams and bottled it when he’s needed to play it.

Ken Kneale
86 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:01:51
Can the board dither any longer? We need help desperately. I posted some weeks ago this lot did not have the wit or wherewithal for a relegation scrap and that is now where we are good and proper. By delaying as they have, the board will now panic.
Gerry Ring
87 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:05:28
I feel sorry for the Everton fans in Anfield tonight. A new low. I don't think I've ever seen an Everton team so intimidated & physically bullied like that before. No heart.
Paul Birmingham
88 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:08
We set up wrong and got shot to pieces. Amateurs, no, that's an insult to the non-league players who work their socks off every week for low wages.

This is the pits, and there's no chance of winning many games defending like this. It's Keystone Kops.

What happens next?

Ernie Baywood
89 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:08
If he's sacked in the morning, that's too long a wait.

We should have been here with a temporary manager. That's on the powers that be.

Fran Mitchell
90 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:06:32
The board have dithered and delayed and now we are screwed.

We just might get relegated.

Pathetic.

Bill Fairfield
91 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:17
Convinced yet, Moshiri???

Or do we have to endure anymore... absolutely pathetic!

Danny Baily
92 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:25
Pickford has to save a shot on target for us to have any hope of winning matches.
Ken Kneale
93 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:08:49
This lot certainly do not deserve the wonderful fans we have. Disgraceful, disorganised and dispiriting performance.
Phil Rodgers
94 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:09:22
I would actually consider it good news if Everton folded tomorrow.
Michael Lynch
95 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:10
Not sure who was our worst player tonight. In the spirit of the Turner Prize, I think they should all share the honour.

That was a debacle. At least something has to change now. Again.

Frank McGregor
96 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:20
Jo #82, I agree with you completely. Sam's team was hard to watch but never in the bottom 3..
Ernie Baywood
97 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:10:27
That's not the difference, Danny.
Tony Hill
98 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:11:09
We just never do it, do we? We made chances but fucked them up, we're a club and a team of empty losers.

Silva has to go tonight. We must realise now that we are in a horrible dogfight. People mocked and hounded Allardyce when he concentrated on defence with shit players. Now we need to do exactly that again, to save our lives and to re-build after more wasted years.

What a fucking awful night, what a fucking awful club we've become.

Christy Ring
99 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:12:07
Why didn't the board sack him after the Norwich embarrassment? What was the benefit of waiting for 2 more losses, and bottom 3?

When he's sacked in the morning, keep Kenwright out of any future candidates.

Michael Lynch
100 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:12:07
It's like Silva wanted to lose. Maybe he did. The one thing you can't do against the Shite is allow them to knock long balls and diagonals over you, certainly not when you have a couple of fucking cruise liners in defence like Mina and Keane. We should have parked the fucking bus for the first 30 minutes.

Andy Crooks
101 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:13:15
Steve Ferns is right. Marco is done, probably tomorrow. He has been unlucky, but has been exposed as inept. He will never manage in the Premier League again.

So we move on. Survival is now our priority. We do have some shite on our books, though. I hope that the new coach has the backbone to make sure that some of them are never first choice again.

Kieran Kinsella
102 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:13:39
Surely that's it?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

103 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:14:02
Tick-tock, Marco, tick-tock.

Luckily for you, there doesn't seem to be an alarm clock in the boardroom.

Michael Williams
104 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:14:35
Liverpool - 43 points out of a possible 45. That organization from top to bottom is top notch. They have built a program of excellence that is designed for the long haul (just like the Boston Red Sox - their baseball team). Us on the other hand.
Joe McMahon
105 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:15:08
Any team with a Goalkeeper who's been relegated, a Manager who's been relegated and a No 9 who's level is playing for a team like Rotherham or Blackpool is going to go down. It won't be a shock.
Denis Richardson
106 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:15:36
Utter waste of time giving Silva more games. Just shows how out of touch the board is when so many people saw it just wasn’t going to work ages ago.

Should have been sacked latest October and another manager put in weeks ago. Instead as usual we’re reactive rather than proactive and now in the shit proper.

Result today absolutely predictable.

Alexander Murphy
107 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:13
Dithering in the Boardroom, as the Widow Twanky still gets teary eyed over "Darling David" coming home with a handful of magic beans.

We fans pay the price by enduring yet another year of tortured hope.

Thanks.

Marco should have been dismissed weeks ago.
I no longer feel anything but pain.

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:20
Silva's gone, make no mistake about that. There is no way you can send him out to face the fans against Chelsea.

We're stuck with the wreckage of this squad, and the problems are very evident. Namely the keeper (who has nearly conceded as many goals as saves he's made). The centre-backs and the midfield. Most of the problem players being ones from Walsh's regime: Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, and Sigurdsson. Pickford might be one we can sell, he's got a high enough profile, but the others we are stuck with, their wages are far too high. Walcott comes into the same bracket.

Davies, Holgate and Calvert-Lewin are not the problem, they're all cheap and can just be eased back into the reserves if the new manager doesn't rate them.

Moshiri will not hesitate now, but the answer better not be Moyes. Unsworth can buy us some time and lift the gloom for Chelsea, he's won every Premier League game at Goodison Park. Time for Brands to show some leadership and sort this mess out.

Kieran Kinsella
109 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:16:38
Silva has to go. But it's like Déjà vu from Koeman's 5-2 versus Arsenal with Keane, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin all just either doing nothing or making mistakes. For all the money we've spent, and with three people having been at the helm since Koeman went, how in the hell do we still have that pathetic spine of the team?
Robert Tressell
110 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:08
I've only started posting in the last few days after reading this site for years. It's been miserable supporting Everton a lot of the time.

The weird thing now is how little the manager is getting out of a lot of good players. Compared with the utter crap our first 11 has been at times, this lot just don't make anything of the sum of their parts.

Liverpool have some outstanding players but they also have some ordinary ones who know their roles, work hard, move the ball quickly and move well off the ball.

Put Mane in our side and he'd have no one to pass to and he wouldn't get the ball back. That's management. Time for a change.

Paul A Smith
112 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:12
Joe McMahon I agree. Origi is their 4th choice striker and better than all of ours.

Under Moyes we only needed a couple of players and we were at least on par with them.

3 years of Moshiri and we need 15 now.

Kieran we bought relegation fodder mate. Half a side from the bottom half.

We don't even deserve to play in derbies and no manager is making shit players better.

Andrew Hight
113 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:36
Such malaise at the club. We are the new Leeds.
Michael Williams
114 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:18:37
The problem is more than just Marco – sure, get rid – what will change? We have been underperforming for years.

Until we do a complete rebuild of the entire organization, root and branch, led by a smart owner with a plan – like Man City, Liverpool and others – we will not reach the top.

James Byrne
115 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:19:16
The worst Everton team I have ever seen in my lifetime. Truly shocking. The worst thing we ever done was bring in Moshiri and let that cunt Kenwiright maintain a role in this club. I'd be content finishing in the top 8 skint than in the relegation zone after spending nearly half a £Billion.

Silva and the entire Everton backroom coaching staff need to be fucked off out of the club. Rotten to the core.

Tony Hill
116 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:19:46
Yes, Steve, @108, I would start Lossl on Saturday. What a godawful mess.
Danny Baily
117 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:20:27
New manager in. New keeper instated. Tosun and Walcott restored to the starting 11.

We can stay up. The time for action is now.

Michael Lynch
118 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:20:47
Yes Origi was good tonight. Their team looked balanced and had a good understanding even though they'd swapped half of them from the last game.

I fucking hate it but that's the model of a club for us. Imagine that system but with our fans instead of their gang of bellends.

I agree SIlva is gone, and I also really hope Moyes isn't brought in to replace him. He's yesterday's man.

George Cumiskey
119 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:21:21
Steve Ferns, so Silva is in the clear, it's all down to the players? It's nothing to do with his selections tactics and substitutions. The mind boggles.
Kieran Kinsella
120 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:21:24
Michael 114

I'd say HK III team were equally bad but that lot were brought in on a shoestring literally. Farrelly, Oster, O'Kane etc were kids and no one was thrown to the lions. This lot are multi-millionaires.

Ken Kneale
121 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:06
We need a complete rebuild.
Alexander Murphy
122 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:11
James @115? Really? How old are you mate?
What a pile of bilge.

Agree with getting Kenwright the fuck out of the boardroom tho.

Robert Williams
123 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:15
Silva AND Kenwright P45.
Steve Ferns
124 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:32
We'll finish top 10. No worries about that. We just spend £100m in January if we have to, win 3 games and be back in mid-table.

Let's not over-react. The last overreaction saw us waste £10m+ on Allardyce, and £50m+ on Tosun and Walcott. Let Brands sort the mess out. Otherwise may as well sack him, and he's not even been able to appoint his own manager.

Paul Tran
125 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:35
Seriously, how bad does it have to get before he's sacked?
Kieran Kinsella
126 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:44
George 119

Steve said Silva needs to go. But he is correct in that this group have failed Koeman and him so it's not as easy as bringing in Mr X and suddenly we are good.

Phillip Warrington
127 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:22:53
This is a joke. Liverpool rested their better players and still smashed us. What's happening to Everton defies logic.

Moshiri has fucked this club. Before he came, we were competitive; now, we are a joke. Well done, Mr Moshiri.

Michael Lynch
128 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:23:25
I don't think this is our worst squad of players by a long chalk, but it's definitely one of our worst teams.

I don't think Marcel Brands should get a free ride either - he's supposed to be the man with the plan.

Steve Ferns
129 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:23:41
George, Silva is gone. Don't waste your time worrying about that. We need to calm down or we end up with Moyes. We are not that desperate.
Steve Mink
130 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:24:35
For what it's worth, I think Tom Davies can be proud of the shift he put in tonight. Had an impossible job given the apparent starting formation of 5-1-4.
Stephen Brown
131 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:04
Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Walcott and Sigurdsson cost about £145m! And are probably costing £500k a week. Frightening mismanagement!

Who can save this season? I think we have a greater need for a Fat Sam type than 2017-18. I didn't really believe we could go down then but I do now!

Drew O'Neall
132 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:13
Thought Silva showed some signs of improvement with his substitutions and tactics finally tonight.

He was onto a hiding for nothing and his cards are marked but credit where it’s due, he did his best tonight and it was the players’ decision making, not his, which let us down tonight.

Frank McGregor
133 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:17
The defense is total mess. Mina is not the answer, he is not up to the standard of the Premier League.

There is a desperate need for 2 midfielders in the January window or relegation is a certainty.

Paul A Smith
134 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:40
The whole club has failed managers.
Only lunatics expect better from worse players.

We go from good squad (couple of quality we are flying) to bad squad then repeat the cycle. Always.

Jim Bennings
135 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:25:44
SIlva will get sacked but my God we have an absolutely spineless brainless shitbag squad of players.

None of this current squad is fit to lick the boots of say a Tim Cahill or a Fellaini type player.

Our defence ambles around pathetically like poets lost in the Alps whilst I’d seriously consider a psychological check up for our potentially ADHD goalkeeper.

Our midfielders are the worst I’ve ever seen, bunch of powderpuff weaklings and nonexistent nobody’s.

Our strikers?

Can we just define the word striker and see what it means?

We don’t possess a single Premier League quality striker at this club two years after selling Lukaku.

Michael Lynch
136 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:01
Steve, seriously? It's only a flesh wound? I'd say we're in more trouble than you think, especially looking at the fixtures ahead.
Andrew Ellams
137 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:40
Sack the board. Silva needs to go tonight but Brands, Moshiri and Kenwright can not be allowed to make him the scapegoat for their own failures.
Andy Finigan
138 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:46
For me it's David Usworth until otherwise. Let him have full control and if he needs any player from the under 23s or under 18s who have backbone and character and guts and are willing to die for this great club, let him be aloud to use them. Forget all this "we need experience", it's desire we need.
Jay Woods
139 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:51
We're on our way to becoming another Munich 1860. They're now playing in the 3rd tier of German football and can't beat Bayern's second team, who also play in that league.

I agree with whoever it was who said we won't win another derby in half a century. LFC have set up a commercial and sporting machine that is generations ahead of our tinpot operation.

Kenny Smith
140 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:26:55
Standby for Operation Moyes. The board have waited for this sort of result so when he swans back in we all think ‘thank fuck you’re here Dave. save us’.
The disgusting thing is he’s probably exactly what we need.
Pass me the sick bucket !!
Colette Black
141 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:27:06
I just hope the Gallardo rumours are true and we don't bring in a stop-gap like Moyes or some other half-baked loser.

But as others have noted, the spine of the team is... spineless. It's hard to see anyone having too much success until that and the coaching staff are rectified.

Sheesh, give me strength.

Kevin Prytherch
142 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:27:57
Drew 132 - I’m hoping that’s sarcasm.

Silva set his team up poorly.

His substitutions were poor.

He is poor.

No credit, none due

Paul A Smith
143 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:18
I spewed it at 3-1 and didn't even see the 3rd.
They are shite for not scoring 10 against them players to be honest.

Calvert Lewin, Statue Sigurdsson (is a statue quicker?) Michael Keane commanding 😂 clumsy Mina. Sidibe thinking he is playing with his mates in the park.

What a fucking load of shite we have.

Steve Ferns
144 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:22
Michael, we will just sign a new defence if it's really that bad in January. It's the players that we need more than the manager. We need a proper captain for a start.
Jim Wilson
145 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:44
Never going to be a contest.
Leicester were not that good on Sunday, we nearly get a draw, the prick thinks 5 at the back works, he plays it again, we get twatted.
Coleman should be in the team as should Baines.

Sack the fucker do not bring in that other fucker Moyes you bunch of fuckwits

A fucking disgrace

Graham Blakeman
146 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:28:51
The Peoples club can still sing our pitiful song about knowing your history. What an absolute fucking shameful embarrassment. 21 years of this pathetic chairman who has been at the helm, over seeing the most degrading period in my lifetime of supporting EFC.
Employing managers with a proven track record of relegation, or fighting relegation. This man, has not a fucking clue how to run a top premiership club. Its time he was out the door for good. Take your shit selection of managers with you.
Don't want to hear anymore tripe about "run of the ball", "shit VAR" or Injury fucking excuses. we have spent a fortune. No 'if's' or 'buts'.
I don't want to read anymore crap on this site about playing the same players in different systems, expecting different results. This club is at rock bottom. We need a miracle.
...and to think EFC have pleasure to announce a price freeze on season tickets.

Christy Ring
147 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:29:00
Poch is still available, offer him £15m a year, his backroom staff all he can say is no.
Anthony A Hughes
148 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:29:01
A truely woeful defence, no pace or creativity in midfield and a strikeforce not worthy of its name. Top that with possibly the worst so called coach in a long time and what do you get. relegation
George Cumiskey
149 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:30:11
Steve what you said is Silva is gone not Silva should be gone, you've defended him to the hilt even though all the evidence pointed to him not being good enough. That what shocks me.
Jason Lloyd
150 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:30:18
I don't have the energy to waste blaming the board, the management or the players anymore.

Let's get to the truth of the situation.

By the end of this month the club MUST locate a hardman to manage the playing staff who will not be rolled over by anyone and have no favourite players or play them because they are the highest wages earners.

They must bring a set of sound football principles and have good in game management.

Their goal is get to mid table and stay there till the end of the season.

Ken Kneale
151 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:09
Michael I agree. This has a gut feeling of a serious situation. The board have failed the club and the manager and players have failed the fans. Kenwright's tenure over club matters has to end - to paraphrase "what a chairman". What indeed. We deserve better.
Ken Kneale
152 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:10
Michael I agree. This has a gut feeling of a serious situation. The board have failed the club and the manager and players have failed the fans. Kenwright's tenure over club matters has to end - to paraphrase "what a chairman". What indeed. We deserve better.
Michael Lynch
153 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:16
Steve @144 who are these defenders we're going to be able to sign in January that will stop us going down? I doubt if Jagielka will come back, he's in a decent squad at Sheff Utd. So who are you suggesting that is available and good enough to shore things up?

You're right, our players are the biggest problem, but the idea that we can just go out and buy a new defence in the January sales and everything will be good just doesn't sound credible to me.

Pat Kelly
154 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:33
It's beginning to look a lot like Moyes. Moshiri will panic after tonight's horror show.
Paul A Smith
155 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:43
Steve, digest this line I was given ages ago on Moshiri.

Randy Lerner on steroids. The steroids bit taking into account the TV money and his collateral.

Rush jobs often go wrong. Especially when the players you lose are not replaced with at least equal quality.

Every man and his dog knew we needed to buy Zouma and Gomes to stand still.

Rob Marsh
156 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:31:47
Kenny Smith # 140

Kenny, our board is far too savvy to bring Moyes back in, we'd never do that, at least not while Mike Walker is available!

Tony Hill
157 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:32:37
Yes, Michael @136, we're in deep shit. There's no issue of overreaction. We have played some good stuff under Silva and did so tonight but we have no precision or steel. That's what we lack, of course as an entire club.

Please let us not have any patronising shit from the PR department for a while.

Eric Paul
158 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:32:50
Steve @108
Silvas mistake was was not changing the formation soon enough but the first 3 goals were down to the defenders and goalkeeper failing to deal with long balls that were in the air long enough to adjust and deal with. When you see footballers not able to to the basics like clearing your lines and passing to each other I fail to see how the manager is at fault when he played his best 11 available
Neil Lawson
159 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:23
Just pathetic and woeful. No point trying to analyse it all. Silva gone by midday tomorrow, hopefully earlier. In nearly 60 years of supporting my club I cant ever recall being so disconnected and so indifferent. I should be angry and devastated but is all so abject I just cant be bothered. Shameful for them and for me too.
Drew O'Neall
160 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:29
Kevin 142

You hope in vein, it wasn’t sarcasm.

How would you have set the team up and what substitutions would you have made in the circumstances?

Jim Bennings
161 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:44
I also need to find the fucker that keeps telling me form goes out of the window in derbies.

Yeah sure it does, and I shit gold bricks every day!!

Michael Lynch
162 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:47
I'm really worried that Moyes will be this year's Sam. The difference is, we weren't actually in the relegation places with a run of nightmare games ahead when the fat lad came in last season.

Anthony Millington
163 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:33:52
131 who signed all them players you mentioned? Not Silva! It's not all Silvas fault like some would have us believe.. He did not sign Michael Keane and Pickford. He made it clear he wanted another centre back and the board didn't sign one so hes stuck with what we have.. Bad luck with Gbamin and Gomes being injured too. I would have probably played Schneiderlin as we had little protection in front of the defence with just Davies as Sigurdsson doesn't really help. Bernard was awful today I thought. Some of the players put a shift in but Bernard didn't even look like he was barely trying at times strolling round.
Steve Ferns
164 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:34:10
George, we don't watch the training. We don't see how the team is drilled, what Silva asked Brands for, and what Brands delivered.

Let's hope it's just Silva being the worst manager ever, like you seem to think he is, because we will suddenly rocket up the table with no new signings. If it's the players more than him, then we need to hope we can tread some water until the window opens and we can get reinforcements in.

Hugh Jenkins
165 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:35:08
Where is Tim Cahill when you need him?

He, I believe, is the man to pu a bit of fight back in the Toffees.


Paul A Smith
166 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:35:36
George you shouldn't be suprised. Some of these players have been here since Koeman came.

Lots of different systems, strategies, formations or whatever you want to call it and Equally as inept.

Gary Hughes
167 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:36:01
Phil Rodgers #94 I've been thinking the same for a long time now, just fold like some joke Sunday League team, I don't think we"d even be missed to be honest. The club is dead, it has been for years, its rotten to the core & is being propped up by some savant billionaire who's going to cut his losses any time soon & the financial meltdown will happen sure as night follows day. Kenwrights legacy complete.
Paul A Smith
168 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:08
Moyes = laughing stock and none of his little apple polishers to give him respect.

And why would they respect him?

Rob Marsh
169 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:19
Steve Ferns # 164

Every decent potential manager we want will have seen our inherent weaknesses exposed tonight along with the world.

We are going to find bringing in the right man tough unless there is mucho money on the table.

John Gilfoyle
170 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:19
Forget Silva – and I'm not even sure he's a good manager or not. Since Moshiri took the reins we've spent near £400 million on incompetent players, not even Guardiola could get this group of players to avoid relegation. We need to sack Brands and Silva and allow a manager to sign his own players.

Anyone who has ever played football understands the team with the best players wins football matches, not tactics alone. Poor recruitment is the sole reason why we are in the position we are in.

I feel sorry for Silva as it is blatantly obvious we have zero talent amongst our ranks. Digne and Ricarlison are the only two players I would take going forward; the rest aren't good enough and that's scary.

Michael Lynch
171 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:38:34
Steve, if it is the players, then how the fuck have we blown half a billion quid on a relegation team? Even allowing for bad luck and injuries, that's astonishing. And Sidibe, Digne, Mina were all Brands/Silva players. That's three out of our five defenders. Surely they must take some responsibility?
Steve Ferns
172 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:39:53
Michael, we can choose any Championship defender we want. We can choose nearly any Ligue 1 defender we want, we look in leagues around Europe. It's for Brands to earn his money and get the right guys in. He should already have at least one signed and sealed from his failure to do it in the summer.

We need 2 midfielders as well. We cannot just wait and hope Gomes and Gbamin get back fast. Delph cannot be trusted. We can't rely on our 4th and 5th choice midfielders.

Roger Helm
173 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:01
What an embarrassment, being casually swatted aside by a Liverpool reserve side that didn’t get out of third gear. To think only a few years ago we were knocking on CL football ( and would be there now if Moyes had had Moshiri’s funds available), it’s enough to make you weep, how badly this club has been run.

Survival depends on a new manager who knows how to organise a defence followed by January recruitment of a proper CB, two midfielders and a forward who knows where the goal is. Anything less and we go down - we are in a relegation battle with no battlers in the side.

Shane Corcoran
174 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:06
Didn’t see it all but I think there are some over-reactions.

Our defence was awful but the reality is they’re miles clear at the top of the league and we’re in the relegation zone.. The pass for their first goal was absolute class. At least we attacked and created chances, unlike previous eras.

Probably no way back for Silva now but I’d actually leave him there for Chelsea in the absence of a ready replacement or Moyes/Unsworth getting it.

Raymond Fox
175 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:08
Our situation is about far more than the manager, we are failing in every department from top to bottom.

We will still be in the Prem. next season fear not, I cant say I'm getting much comfort from that though because the best we can hope for is 8th-ish.

Paul A Smith
176 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:19
Easy Michael. We spent silly money on half a side from the bottom half of the premiership before silva came. Relegation battlers mostly.

That will definately have a knock on effect.

Jim Bennings
177 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:40:49
Well apparently we have frozen the season ticket prices for next term.

So they expect fans to still pay the same for highly likely Championship football?

I’ll tell you one thing the club are going to have a tough time shifting anymore than 10 or 15,000 this time.

Evertonians loyalty is not a bottomless pit.

We have been had off by the lying blaggers on the board and the masquerading puffs that are the players for far too long, no more.

Oh yeah, and Marcel, did you see any “Fire in the players eyes” tonight mate?

Steve Ferns
178 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:41:37
Michael, delete Silva, they are Brands players. Silva didn't pick Mina for most of last season, do you not think there was a good reason for that? Keane was shite under Koeman, did alright last season, and is as bad as ever this season.
Anthony A Hughes
179 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:42:00
Silva has a £50 million centre back pairing and two French International fullbacks plus England's no 1. Why the fuck can't he organise them into some sort of cohesive unit?
Jason Lloyd
180 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:43:19
Richarlison will be sold in January to fund a mini rebuild.

The reason for a new 4 year contract now is to hike his value.

I reckon he's going to Utd or Spain.

The £100m will fund the Silva compensation, new manager costs and then probably £85m spare for 3 players and perhaps a loan.

Paul A Smith
181 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:43:46
What is Brands doing going into the changing room every game anyway? Thats a pisstake to the managers to I think.
And revealing it like its cool.

Who wants their bosses casting a presence over them like that!

Jamie Crowley
182 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:44:25
I literally just switched from the Live Forum.

171 comments already. I'm sure zero are positive.

When TW lights up, something has to happen. He's got to go by tomorrow a.m., replacement or not.

Lynn Maher
183 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:45:55
After tonights performance, I really don't know,or care anymore who is to blame. The list is endless.
Instead of Everton CEO, Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale, announcing a price freeze on season tickets, how about a refund?

If anyone is under any illusion, about how completely out of touch this club is with the fans, please go to Everton website and read the article entitled 'Everton Freezes Season Ticket Prices'.
I rest my case.
Steve Ferns
184 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:46:03
Mina was rated as one of Barcelona's worst ever players when we signed him (along with Andre Gomes), Sidibe is unwanted by Monaco, and has never been able to defend, Digne was brilliant last season, but looks very suspect in defence this season. There is no midfield ahead of the defence to protect them. Gueye was sold, Delph is injured all the time, Gbamin never played, Gomes is injured, Schneiderlin was on his way out but had to be held back when he never got Doucoure, and Davies was down the pecking order and now has to be his main man, Sigurdsson is playing centre midfield and showing exactly why he cannot play so deep. None of that is his fault, and none of that goes away when (not if) he leaves.
Mike Doyle
185 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:46:16
Jason. Unless nobody will take the job They can’t wait until the end of the month they need to take some action now.
As I see it things cannot get worse (than losing game after game) and a fresh perspective is needed - even on an interim basis. At present we the club is repeating the same actions and hoping for a different outcome.
An earlier poster suggested Unsworth & Joe Royle as an interim solution. While accepting this wouldn’t be anyone’s first choice, would it - or something like it - really be any worse than what we have now?
Steve Ferns
186 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:48:43
Mike, Silva in the dugout for Chelsea and we're just waiting to concede and let him have it. Unsworth in the dugout and we're all behind him and the players and roaring them on. A small but significant difference and the reason why we have no choice but to get rid of the manager.
Christy Ring
187 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:07
Steve you say let Brands sort it out, he was equally at fault for not signing a centre back, and striker in the summer, all the crap over offering £60m+ for Zaha, an experienced striker was a must
Anthony A Hughes
188 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:15
So what is Silva's fault Steve?
Jamie Crowley
189 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:49:55
Jay Wood @ 71 -

Make no mistake. The execution and weight of the Liverpool passing in creating their goals, the running, control and finishing is top, top draw. But Marco Silva and his tactics have been brutally, but brutally exposed tonight.

Yup. In the worst, most nightmarish way. And to rub salt in the wound, he did nothing about it at all. Still played a high line. Three or Four at the back, you'd figure he'd see that we were getting torched with the long balls and played deeper. But nah, why would he do that?

Disgusting.

Rob Marsh
190 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:50:04
Anthony A Hughes # 179

"Silva has a £50 million centre back pairing and two French International fullbacks plus England's No 1. Why the fuck can't he organise them into some sort of cohesive unit? "

They're just not as good as what we paid for them suggests... and perhaps also square pegs into round holes?

Jim Bennings
191 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:00
The loss of Gueye and Zouma was always going to be costly but I didn’t think it would be as bad as this.

It was clear as day in the last three months of last season that Gueye and Zouma were our most consistent players and physically in most games they handled opponents quite well.

We lost Zouma didn’t replace his athleticism and end up going back to Mason “no muscle” Holgate, the skinniest nark in history.

Keane plays like the QE2 and too often Mina is a bit like Bambi on ice.

Brands should have nailed this in the summer but totally screwed up.

Gueye, well selling him far too cheaply was pure One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest behaviour.

Fran Mitchell
192 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:04
Think Steve you are being a little naive in thinking 'we're not in that much trouble'. The old adage 'never too good to go down' is true as ever, and this current squad isn't set up for a relegation battle.

We are in a run of form so bad, worse than our dismal spell last winter, and it doesn't look like ending. We could well be on 14 points come January.

That is relegation form, that is real risk.

I have no idea who we should go for, but my god how this is miserable.

Our only decent players: Richarlison, Digne, and Bernard will probably be on their way.

Also, we need to send Sibide back... he's terrible, and bring back Kenny.

Mike Doyle
193 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:07
Any post match updates on exciting initiatives involving EitC from Little Ms Dynamite?

Or maybe a Bramley-Moore Dock stadium update from Colin Chong?

Colin Glassar
194 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:46
The logical conclusion to 40+ years of mismanagement and delinquency on the part of a totally inept board of “directors”.
Steve Ferns
195 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:51:53
Christy, read The Athletic. Brands never offered the money for Zaha. That was Moshiri and he did so against Brands's advice. Presumably that is why the second bid never went in. Moshiri came to his senses.

Anthony, playing too high a line repeatedly and getting caught conceding the same goal over and over and not adjusting the balance of the side to drop everyone a little deeper. Picking the wrong players, making the wrong subs. He's made plenty of mistakes and will have plenty of regrets.

Jamie Crowley
196 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:23
We're in a shit-ton of trouble. Thinking otherwise is burying your head in the sand, I'm afraid to say.
Colin Malone
197 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:43
Pickford and Sigurdsson where woeful, not far behind Davies. Gareth Barry is a big miss, even now. That's how bad we are.

What would big Sam or Moyes do? Stop the pressing game and keep it solid. Why can't Silva do it?

Steve Ferns
198 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:54
Fran, never said we are too good to go down, more like "we are too rich to go down".
Jim Bennings
199 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:20
Forget being too good to go down.

I’d say right now we are TOO BAD TO STAY UP!!

Andy Crooks
200 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:28
Fuck me, just heard my wife calling that the highlights are just starting, with her beloved Gary Lineker. Why are you so upset?

I want you all to be witnesses. I have been provoked beyond endurance. My responsibility is diminished.

Jamie Crowley
201 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:53:44
Anthony, playing too high a line repeatedly and getting caught conceding the same goal over and over and not adjusting the balance of the side to drop everyone a little deeper.

That's the mortal sin.

Ian Riley
202 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:55:29
Anyone surprised at that result?

Mr Silva, do the decent thing and resign, please!!

If anyone thinks we are too good to go down need to seek medical advice. It's a reality unless something changes quickly.

Brian Williams
203 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:56:21
I think he'll get the Chelsea game at the weekend and be gone after that. Give the new fella a week to prepare.
Kevin Prytherch
204 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:57:23
Drew 160...

I would have set the team up (and posted this on one of the threads) in a similar 4-2-3-1 that we played at the back end of last season, that reverts to a 4-4-2 when defending.

Pickford
Sidibe (I said Coleman, forgot he was injured), Mina, Holgate, Digne
Richarlison, Schneiderlin, Davies, Bernard,
Sigurdsson, Calvert-Lewin.

I would not have defended high, I would have limited the space between midfield and defence, and similarly between defence and the keeper. Sigurdsson and Calvert-Lewin would have been pressing all day. Schneiderlin would have been sat in front of the centre backs offering protection. We would have had 2 wide players breaking when we turned possession over with the full-backs holding their position.

As for subs - Kean should have complimented Calvert-Lewin, not replaced him (Iwobi would have been the obvious choice). Schneiderlin is absolutely pointless if we are ever chasing a game, he should only ever be playing if we are protecting a result (which is why I think he should have started).

Silva, not for the first time, has simply thought “That team worked last time, so I'll play it again” without any regard for the opposition.

Paul A Smith
205 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:57:54
Athletic hearsay is that, Steve. Like you said: no quote.

So, against Moshiri's wishes for Zaha, Brands wanted Iwobi, are they saying?

They are both dickheads if that is true then!

Danny Baily
206 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:00
If we do stay up, our reward will be another season in the Premier League. Unable to achieve anything positive and nervously looking over our shoulder at the trap door. Never gets old, even after 25 years.
Steve Ferns
207 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:06
What's the point, Brian? We've more chance of a win with Unsworth in charge, and the crowd behind the team.
Rob Marsh
208 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:21
Ian # 202

They never resign, they all wait to be sacked.

Silva would probably be throwing away £10m if he did that.

Colin Glassar
209 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:58:24
Jim, I'd say we are TOO BAD TO GO DOWN!

We'd stink out the Championship!!!

Steve Ferns
210 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:22
Paul, we'll never know the truth. Even when someone comes out and says their side, like Steve Walsh did, it's never the full truth either.
Michael Lynch
211 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:25
Steve, why would you trust Brands with the money if you think all our shit players from the last couple of windows were his choice, not Silva's?

Are you saying that it's Brands that should be fired, not Marco?

Christine Foster
212 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:51
Sitting at home before the game I thought we were on a hiding to nothing. A few mins in and worst fears realised, I would love to look for the positives but frankly that would be disingenuous to Liverpool. We were played off the park and the gulf of class upfront made the mockery of the money spent.

That Baines, as old as he is, had to sit and watch that, Coleman too... the amateur defending of messers Keane, Holgate, Sidibe – each of them should never wear the shirt again. That Davies, the headless chuck, should be the ONLY player in midfield and not worthy of the Championship.. frankly on this seasons showing its hard to see any premiership players.

That's a ridiculous situation. It's clear that there have been a number of managers who have clearly failed at the club, but the reasons for that failure is not money, is not facilities – it's recruitment, a team building vision, non-replacement of key players. It's a failure of leadership. Shit flows down.

Changing another manager is another papering over the cracks, but we have no choice. As I said on anther thread a week ago we need steel off the pitch and steel on it. We no longer look like a team... we have a manager who knows his time is up. We have a board who are clueless.

We need some utter, ruthless bastards to sort this out, from top to bottom. I just hope to god we don't have to rebuild in the Championship.

Paul A Smith
213 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:59:59
Rob, did the club want this? May his compensation be less if he is in the relegation zone?
Jim Bennings
214 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:01:35
The Chelsea game is pointless, another shellacking by a upwardly mobile team of actually good young players.

We’ll be pointless against Chelsea and United and be very lucky to scramble a draw against Arsenal but their quality strikers Aubameyang and Lacazette will probably be the deciding factor to winning the game.

I can’t see where our next point is coming from let alone a win.

Anthony A Hughes
215 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:15
Or clean sheet
Joe Corgan
216 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:28
It's not often I agree with Steve Ferns but post 184 is almost on the money.

Injuries and not having signed players in key positions in the summer are hurting us. That doesn't excuse Silva for not having even begun to implement any recognisable style of play in his 17 months in charge.

Yes, the defenders he has are all limited in some way but there can't be any excuses for the total disorganisation in the unit. There are teams with much worse players than Everton who, collectively, know how to defend. To say we were at sixes and sevens - and not for the first time - would be too much of a compliment.

Sigurdsson is being played out of position and Davies can't do it all his own but, even so, there appears to be no coherent style to our possession or attacking moves. Liverpool are clearly a counter-attacking team who can rip through teams or go over the top. Man City are clearly a possession based team. Again, I acknowledge that we do not have the ideal set of players but Silva has had 17 months to demonstrate he is beginning to implement some kind of style, but there is simply no evidence for it.

Despite the injuries and our failure to effectively replace Gueye and Zouma, there are too many problems which are solely at the manager's feet to give him any more time.

Paul A Smith
217 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:32
I think he should if they were Michael. The gulf between us and the top is bigger since his dealings.

In any other business he would go too.

Steve Ferns
218 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:33
Michael, Brands never chose Silva. He has signed players for him. If he gets in a manager he wants, maybe he will sign better players for him? Brands needs time to revolutionise this club. Clearly, the boardroom is a mess, going back to when Koeman, Walsh, Kenwright and Moshiri where all signing different players. It needs one voice and that voice should be the football man, the Director of Football and the suits should shut up and get on with sorting out the mess off the pitch and the new stadium.
Mick Conalty
219 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:33
Do not know why anyone is bothered anymore. Both clubs are owned by foreigners managed by foreigners and mainly employ foreign players. They no longer represent the people of our city.
Ernie Baywood
220 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:02:40
I don't know what the right solution is, but that's because I've watched us make so many wrong decisions in a row.

Even when we get it right, we get it wrong. We've signed some good footballers - they're just not in the positions we need, or don't match the style we play.

We sack our manager for losing games, then hire a guy who has just been sacked for losing games.

We play 4-2-3-1(most of the time) but don't have a centre forward.

We lose midfielders to injury so we go to a 5-3-2 - putting more pressure on the remaining midfielders who aren't up to the job.

We sign fast wingers - then put a complete lack of pace and urgency around them.

We pick a big, strong defence - then play a high line with advanced fullbacks away to one of the fastest attacking teams in the league.

We're not just a laughing stock. We are THE laughing stock of the league.

I used to hate losing to that lot. Now I don't even care that it's Liverpool. We're playing a completely different game to them. They've never been more irrelevant to me.

Anthony Murphy
221 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:04:34
Moshiri needs to spend big to protect his investment. A new manager, paying off Silva, buying a few new players in Jan. I think we will see BMD taking a back seat until the ship is steadied.
Paul A Smith
222 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:04:46
Steve that is fantasy. Sign better players if he gets his own manager. Thats a bit spoilt isn't it, sabotage in fact.

No chance Farhad Moshit - era would allow that.

Steve Ferns
223 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:05:15
Yes, Mick, which is why I will always defend the likes of Tom Davies, and hope we see Anthony Gordon. If we ever end up like Arsenal with a foreign XI, it'll be a lot easier to care a lot less.
Shane Corcoran
224 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:05:33
Mick, post office the night. Seeing the bigger picture.
Rob Marsh
225 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:00
Colin & Jim

A school teacher of mine once said to me Everton would make an excellent 2nd division side, that was just a week or two before Adrian Heath had his magic moment at Oxford.

I then haunted this teacher with his remark while HK and the boys went on the rampage. Well If he's (my teacher) still alive I'm beginning to feel he knew something I didn't.

Drew O'Neall
226 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:26
Steve @ 184

I don’t agree with everything you post, in fact nearly none of it but you make some great points about Everton’s midfield.

Silva predicted the loss of Gana would be catastrophic and, when he was given the opportunity by an interviewer at the end of the summer window to blame Brands and the board for not replacing him, he demonstrates his integrity by not doing so.

You’re right, he wanted Dacoure and Brands got him Gbamin.. and Delph just in case. Neither was adequate replacement for Gana and especially not in the context of losing the pace of Zouma whom Brand also failed to replace for the manager.

I’m backing you up here for balance.

That said he has had multiple opportunities to win or save points this season and he has failed abysmally.

Jim Bennings
227 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:30
We probably would have seen more gutsy performances this season and saved a lot of cash if we’d had a team with
Johnny Evans or Tyrone Mings in defence and the likes of Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood or some other workhorse like Danny Ings up there.

At least they put a bloody shift in.

Mark Guglielmo
228 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:07:53
Do any of the above 212 comments cover just how bad Jordan Pickford is? I don't need to read all about how awful Silva is and how he has to go. I think that's been said so...got it!

I just want to know if it's been discussed how bad he is.

Remember when a few were talking about how we gave up so few shots per game as if that were a good thing? That number stands at 61 total shots on target conceded, btw, or 4.1 per game. Sounds amazing, right?

Yeah, it would, except that Pickford's given up 27 goals, 1.8/game. Not so amazing when he basically gives up 1 goal per 2 shots.

John P McFarlane
229 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:00
If only we could have predicted the likely outcome before the match! We may have been on the wrong end of some decisions, we may have created more chances than usual but we still ended up conceding five to what was half of the usual Liverpool side.

That may be acceptable, in an end of season nothing match (I know there's no such thing in a derby game) when entertainment is more important than the result, but in the middle of a crisis, you batten down the hatches, make it hard for your opponents to break your back line and hope that you create an opportunity or two on the break.

Suicide football won't help Everton to pick up points, if they consistently allow opponents of any quality never mind the top sides to breach their back line with consumate ease. There's nothing wrong with pragmatism when it's necessary and right now it's neccessary.

The next three games will end the same as the last two if we continue to play 'open' football as the defence is ill disciplined, too nice and unable to keep their heads once any pressure is placed on them. As for the forwards they don't move as a unit and nobody can be relied upon to put the requisite percentage of chances to bed when they are created.

Of course there are some mitigating circumstances, particularly to key midfield players, but have they and would they make that much of a difference - if they were fit and available, Everton's results this season would indicate that the answer is no.

Tony Marsh said on the LF that Radio Merseyside reported that Silva has three games to save his job, how can that be so? Do the Board ever glance at the League Table?

Bill Kenwright will 'celebrate' his 20th anniversary as owner/Chairman on Boxing Day - I would suggest that should be the day when he stands down from his position and allows somebody else to lead the club, because despite his dedication to Everton for 30 - 40 years, Everton FC has had too many low points during his tenure.

Ironically despite Bill finding a benefactor who has thrown money at the club, we find ourselves in as poor a position on and off the pitch as most of us can remember and unlike previous occasions the fans are in turmoil and may not be able to find the strength of will to get this Everton team over the line - that would be catastrophic for the club, the owners and anybody with an interest in Everton Football Club.

Very sad night for Evertonians!

Steve Ferns
230 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:18
Paul, Brands has to sign the players he thinks Silva wants. To use Silva's words, to "fit the profile". Brands may not have found the right players who fit that profile, or maybe Silva vetoed the ones he did find thinking they were not good enough. Another manager would want different types of player and their "profile" may be a lot easier for Brands to find. For example, Zouma. How many 6'5" fast, strong, decent on the ball centre-backs are there out there? Much easier to find smaller ones, and Silva wants big guys to fit his failed zonal marking system.
Graham Blakeman
231 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:43
Do any of us really believe Unsworth is the answer??. Let's just think back to Atlanta game.
It's that dewy eyed thinking that is partly responsible for getting us where we are.
Typical EFC always looking back. absolute bollocks.
I'm sick of it.
Mark Guglielmo
232 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:08:57
Mick voted for Brexit, I see.
Steve Ferns
233 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:52
Yes Mark. And it's much worse than you say. 27 goals conceded and 36 saves made before today plus any in match (so what's what 1 or 2?). It's almost 1:1 for goals to shots.
Michael Lynch
234 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:57
Steve, so why did Brands sign Mina. He's awful. Are you saying that Brands wouldn't have signed Mina if we'd had a different manager? Or Sidibe, who has been less than wonderful too? That Brands has been picking these useless players specifically for Silva, because he thinks they suit his style? I thought the idea was that Brands decided on the style of football, and the managers would be interchangeable because any new manager would be expected to work with the players we already have, in the style we already have?
Jim Hillier
235 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:09:58
Fuck me, that was grim. Not even the merest hint of a light at the end of this particular Evertonian tunnel. Utter shambles.
Shane Corcoran
236 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:06
Mark 228, Pickford was mentioned. Do you think he was at fault tonight?
Tom Roberts
237 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:08
Klopp rests half of his first team against us, but not Brighton? That's how low we have sunk.

If Silva is still the manager when I wake up tomorrow (in Dallas, TX) I will become a Kopite. I cannot be more depressed about my beloved club than I am right now.

I have watched 'Howard's Way' twice this week. Without exaggeration, there are so many of the best days of my life contained in that movie. Winners all over the pitch, yes the tackling was somewhat agricultural at times but those were the days.

Oh to have a Peter Reid or Andy Gary character right now and I was opposed to both of those signings. That's why Howard was a genius. For anybody younger than 30, you really need to watch this movie as we are a million miles away from the glory days. 17th is looking good right now.

Brian Porter
238 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:25
Brian #203 why give him another chance to throw away three more points. As I've been saying since the Burnley game, he needs to go, NOW!
Mark Williams
239 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:10:32
Was it just me, or did Marco defend the tactics and serve up the players in the post-match interview on Amazon? I don't think I've ever heard him speak like that before.
Jim Bennings
240 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:02
Mark

I’ve said more than once I honestly believ Pickford to potentially be ADHD.

I’ve watched him closely, his antics, his lacking in concentration and erratic decision making over the last 18 months and it’s worrying.

£30 million, really I mean I’m sure there were again cheaper alternatives for a goalkeeper that would have been doing an equal job to him.

Brian Williams
241 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:11
On the plus side when was the last time we scored two at Anfield?
Mike Price
242 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:40
The most unlikeable Everton team ever. No fight or character, a total disgrace.
Shocking recruitment.
Can Pickford ever make a save that he shouldn’t that actually matters?!
The new manager can’t be a gamble or we’re down and our only hope is the home atmosphere which the new manager has to utilise.
Derek Knox
243 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:11:42
A gutless performance from, under-performing players, but what do we expect from a gutless, brainless, spineless Manager?
Eddie Dunn
244 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:12:33
Steve Ferns, well said. The league table shows the ridiculous sensationalist comments from the Amazon pundits are as thick as fuck. One win and we could be 12th. West Ham are sinking, as are Bournemouth and Villa, and others play tomorrow. We did score twice at Anfield and with a kinder ref might have had a pen or Trent sent off.
Origi is underrated- a super, old fashioned leader of the line with good feet, a trick or two and an eye for goal. What a player! Mane is world class. Our defence was poorly rehearsed and ponderous, playing a high line. However, despite the know-alls on tv telling us what tough fixtures we have, the hardest two are behind us.
All the other strugglers have equally difficult games coming up.
Chins up everyone.
I just watched Klopp and thought of how I will enjoy it when it all turns to shit for him, his bullying ways and the clots on the kop whistle for his head...everything changes. we will have our revenge.
Steve Ferns
245 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:12:51
Who knows Michael? Say it was Eddie Howe, he'd want a shorter more athletic centre-back with better ball skills, like Ake. Brands' job is not to sign the players he (Brands) wants, but to sign the players Silva wants, and to instruct the scouts to find them.

Mark W, he clearly feels let down by the players and expects to be sacked.

Rob Marsh
246 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:13:23
Jim, Pickford can do cartwheels in the goal if he wants, It doesn't matter, what matters is how he performs when need, Is he really that bad?
Jim Bennings
247 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:14:49
Unsworth is out of his depth.

Do people forget the results under Rhino?

3-0 loss at Lyon.

5–1 to Atalanta

4-1 to Southampton

2-0 at Leicester

We beat a Watford team 3-2 managed by Mr Silva when they blew a two goal lead.

The West Ham 4-0 win was partly down to the players wanting to impress Bisto Sam in the Main Stand.

Unsy is a lovely fella but his record was shite let’s face facts.

Steve Ferns
248 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:25
Rob, 36 saves before tonight, 27 conceded. The numbers are damning. The expected goals against is also damning. He is not saving the shots he should save. Pickford is a massive problem this season.
Michael Lynch
249 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:26
I must admit Steve, my understanding was that Brands had a broader remit than just scouting the players that the manager of the day wants. My understanding was that he was there to build something long term, so we wouldn't have to change the bulk of the squad every time a new manager came in - which is every 18 months or so at the moment. I may be wrong of course. But if I am, then I'm even more depressed than I was an hour ago.
Jerome Shields
250 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:54
Silvas weaknesses exposed in all their glory, the same weaknesses that have p!agued his tenure and he was incapable of sorting out.
The bigger worry is that Brands a football expert did not appear to realise their significance and have contingency plans in place.

Everton are really in Crisis now, not just at Manager level, but at Director Football level and Board level.

They all deserve it, thinking the status quo, was going to keep them alright and continuing as they are accustomed to at Everton.

It ain't , and welcome to reality.


Jerome Shields
251 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:15:55
Silvas weaknesses exposed in all their glory, the same weaknesses that have p!agued his tenure and he was incapable of sorting out.
The bigger worry is that Brands a football expert did not appear to realise their significance and have contingency plans in place.

Everton are really in Crisis now, not just at Manager level, but at Director Football level and Board level.

They all deserve it, thinking the status quo, was going to keep them alright and continuing as they are accustomed to at Everton.

It ain't , and welcome to reality.


Jamie Crowley
252 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:16:21
The Everton fan base, if Moyes is appointed.

Link

Tony Abrahams
253 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:18:45
Sweeping the whole club clean, is the only thing that makes any sense to me. It was great having the old boy connection under Moyes, and this helped to present the case for plucky little Everton, but as Sam Allardyce said, you don’t get to bring many of your own staff to Everton, and I wonder why this is?

Hopefully rock bottom has been hit tonight, but unless it is because Moshiri has become ruthless and already has a new man ready, then I can’t accept this, because we hit rock bottom at home to Norwich, and anyone who knows anything about Everton Football Club, already knew this.

I never watched the game tonight because I was committed to taking one of the kids to football, (he’s on trial) but even though I hate Liverpool, and hate losing against them, it just doesn’t seem as bad as it was when I left Goodison Pk ten days ago, on a day when Silva should have also left for good.

We need pragmatism, we need it quickly, then and only then will we recover, because it’s what Everton and their great fans, have always been built on the most?

Jim Bennings
254 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:18:56
Rob

Pickford has been pretty poor this season.

His continued kicking the ball out of touch.

His weakness on the Mahrez freekick and the one at Brighton.

He was poor at home to Sheffield United on both goals for me.

Going back to last season it’s very hard to erase the memories of the Anfield derby blooper and the Spurs game when he decapitated Kurt Zouma and then his madcap antics that cost us the game up at Newcastle.

Not a great keeper in my eyes and another big factor in why our defence is so jittery.

Rob Marsh
255 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:19:42
Jim, Pick a manager any manager you want, then he loses his first 5 games with the crap he has to work with and the poor mental state they're in.

You would then say "Give him a chance".

Unsy is not entitled to this chance?

Stephen Driscoll
256 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:19:50
As much as tonight was a (sadly for us all too familiar )debacle,why on earth did van dijk stay on the pitch after bringing down dcl.?
Karl Meighan
257 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:20:38
Laughable Silva plays 2 defensive midfielders against the mighty Sheff Utd and others at Goodison, then goes over the park against a team that scores for fun and has poor Davies who to my mind is not and never will be a top defensive midfielder playing in the midfield engine room.

Going over there its vital to stop them scoring in the first 20 minutes, bodies should be put on the line to get this done. You can then grow into the game gain confidence and build upon this. Them spineless fuckers never managed 7 minutes.

I wouldn't bet on these players getting us out the mess they have go us into. The only thing these players will achieve is letting are loyal fans who spend a fortune following them down.

Who would be bothered if any of this squad were sold in January? There is not 1 player I would be devastated to lose.

Regardless of who is in charge that is a ordinary squad of players who I fear will take this Club down as they don't have the skill, desire or fight to win games of football.

Shane Corcoran
258 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:21:58
Wasn’t a foul Stephen so unlikely to be red.

However I reckon Robertson intentionally threw the elbow into the back of Davies head early on and TAA was also lucky not to see red.

Steve Ferns
259 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:22:51
Michael, it's like this:

Silva wants big strong defenders of at least 6'3". They have to be tall to play zonal marking. One has to be fast to cover for the other and one has to be decent on the ball to play out from the back. Preferably both can do both. The picture is Zouma.

Brands then sends all the scouts out, and remember we've got well over 100 scouts, all over the world, and he gets lots of calls off agents. Brands then gets a long list of the players on video and shows them to Silva and the ones that are liked are looked at closer. Brands will then sign the one who Silva agrees on. If they do the job properly they will both go and watch the player.

Brands does not just sign who he wants to sign and tells Silva to play him. The two have to work well together, and if they are not in tune you end up with a team that does not play the way the manager wants it to. You don't give Silva an off-road vehicle if he's a track driver and expect him to be quick off-road. That defence does not suit him. Between the two of them they made a serious error over the lack of centre-back and it's cost Silva his job. He should have adapted and changed his tactics, because we could not play the way we did last season and that was evident early on.

We have to back Brands though, let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and get the right guy in. But that means Kenwright and Moshiri need to stay out of it. The new manager must fit these players too.

Jim Wilson
260 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:27
The whole thing is an utter nightmare and an utter disgrace.

All the talk of clear outs and signings we need to make, instead of using what we had and adding to gradually, has put us in this mess, orchestrated by immature managers who haven't a clue, backed by directors who are completely thick.

There has been two important signings that we have needed to make.
A replacement for Lukaku and a replacement for Gueye and we failed miserably.

Jags and McCarthy should still be here. We need them but they are gone. Baines should be playing so should Coleman.

The appointment of Moyes will seal our fate and if any of you think Moshiri and Kenwright are in anyway capable of organising a ground move you are out of your fucking mind.

We are dead, almost buried, we should have gone for Mourinho weeks ago (he has always had a soft spot for Everton). That ship has sailed and here we are in the bottom fucking 3 after spending millions.

Our club is a fucking wreck.

Andy Houghton
261 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:44
Spunked some money on utter shite. Got to look at the recruitment. Not sure who is doing it. Kean looks another waste of £27 million after Tosun. Foreign teams must say if Everton ring up tell them he’s £27 million. 😀
Jim Bennings
262 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:23:50
Rob

Unsworth has had his chance.

It was not exactly a roaring success and I doubt that results would greatly improve, as stated in my post look at the batch of results Unsworth achieved?

Defensively last time we were appalling.

It took Allardyce to come in and plug the holes and to be fair as dour as it was, I wish we could do that now.

Derek Knox
263 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:24:13
Steve F, with all due respect, my learned friend, there was a statement earlier in the run-up to this match. I can't remember exactly when, but the premise was basically that all the players were behind Silva, and would pull out all the stops to prevent him joining The Order of the Boot.

Alas, there was little evidence of that tonight against a Liverpool side, who passed better, intercepted better, played for each other, had more desire. That was with five changes to their side.

It shows just how adrift we are from, where we constantly proclaim we should be, in the Premiership!

Steve Ferns
264 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:26:14
Tony A. Sam Allardyce didn't bring his own staff? Did you not see how many he brought in? Sammy Lee, Craig Shakespeare, and Rylands Morgan were just the tip of the iceberg.
Graham Blakeman
265 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:26:15
Serve ferns. Are you really singling out Pickford?
it's nothing to do with a completely inept midfield when it comes to tackling, marking at set pieces? 1 on 1 situations? being caught out by a far superior speedy attack against our slow unfit defenders?
You must be kidding surely. I bet he has a superb Euro's next year and we can kiss good good bye to him.
Peter Laing
266 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:27:58
This team has Leeds United written all over it. A team that have now been outside the top flight for over 10 years.
Steve Ferns
267 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:28:44
Nope, Graham. I named Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson as being problems that are hangovers from the previous regime and are all on astronomical wages so they cannot be sold. Pickford is the only one of the them we could get any money for. A decent keeper on his day, but one who has made far too many mistakes this season and the numbers show how bad a season he is having.
Andrew Hight
268 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:28:58
Pickford is a terrible goalkeeper. Keane a woeful defender. Iwobi as every Arsenal fan will tell you is dreadful. The recruitment has been so poor and the mgmt of it even worse. And still an hour or so after the game and the board haven’t sacked Silva. Madness
Danny Broderick
269 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:29:41
It doesn’t matter who the manager is. The problems run far deeper.

The Director of Football model is letting us down. For about the 4th season running, we have not ended up with the players we needed. Why have we still not got a centre forward for God’s sake?

On the pitch, as well as on the bench, we have an absence of leaders. Remember 12 months ago, when Klopp was doing cartwheels on the pitch, no one saw fit to tell him where to go. We were just there to take our medicine. Plucky old Everton. Compare that to when Mourinho went running down the wing at Old Trafford. Ferguson was jabbing a finger at him, letting him know it was out of order.

I would imagine many of us would have got a red card towards the end tonight. I’m not saying it’s clever, but it would show a level of passion and commitment that things hadn’t gone our way and that our emotion had boiled over while we were striving for a result. Just where are our leaders? We should have had a cast iron penalty. What would Mourinho have done in that situation? What would Man U or Liverpool players have done? We just carry on as normal. All hell should have broken loose! When was the last time we saw emotion from one of our players? I’m at a loss...

Replacing Silva is a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. We need to get rid of this Director of Football model, and bring in a manager who is going to recruit men. Players that will run through a brick wall for you. That means defenders and a keeper who will take it as an insult of you score against them. Midfielders who will run all day. And strikers who will battle and run all day long.

We are too nice. The likes of Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Walcott should never play for us again. The Directors of Football have recruited the wrong characters. Our team are lacking character. That’s why we never win away from home.

From top to bottom, the mentality is wrong.

Chris Gould
270 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:16
Our centre backs were a complete embarrassment. Our keeper looked lost and we have a soft as shit central midfield.
The rest of the team weren't too bad. The loss of Zouma and Gueye has been catastrophic. Brands has to accept much of the blame for the current demise.
Who in the summer said that we would get more points without Zouma?
Jason Mcclure
271 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:34
to be fair Steve Ferns made a comment during the summer about marco's assistant leaving and going back to portugal and how this was a concern (paraphrasing admittedly) but that concern based on this season was justified...was the assistant the brains behind the duo looks that way time for a change for sure
Eddie Dunn
272 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:48
Steve- as you imply, Mina was overlooked even when fit last season when we still ad Zouma. Makes me think Silva doesn't fancy him. Silva's hands have been tied. However Mina looked impressive in the WC for Colombia.
Anthony A Hughes
273 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:30:50
I'm with Steve regarding Pickford. Just seems to be a nutcase and wants to be the kid who can kick the ball furthest up the field.
Even in the tunnel before kick off he was gurning away and Digne gave him a little tap as if to say, "get your game head on"
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

274 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:31:52
Right! Just back from a brisk, muttering, cursing walk with Toffee the dawg. And even here in Brazil I couldn't escape a smirking scarlet shirt asking me the score.

"Vai te caralho, filho de puta!" was my beaming reply. Not difficult to work out, even without Google translate.

He had the good grace to laugh, rather than knife me (I live in Brazil's 3rd most violent city for murders).

OK. The little good that came out of the game. The second half wasn't as bad as it could have been, but wasn't as good as it might have been. I was hoping we could claim a moral raising 'draw' or even a 'win' in the 2nd half, but even that was not to be.

5-2 is as bad as it sounds. 54 years since they've hit five against us at Anfield.

We had 1-2 chances to grab a goal back ourselves, not least when Kean broke through.

But - spit! - Liverpool showed how much they have evolved - and continue to evolve - under Klopp.

In the 1st half they clearly played not to pass through us in midfield, but simply to go long and direct over the top of our high-pressing, but slow turning defence. And they had the players to execute the necessary pass, anticipation, control and finishing to make it work. It was brutal in its efficiency.

Having done the damage before the interval, in the 2nd half they managed the game well, better at retaining possession and passing through us, leading to better chances than we created.

Make no mistake. This is a very good side, well-drilled, well-prepared and capable of hurting far better sides than Everton currently is.

For me, one Everton player and one player only showed the necessary cojones for a Mersey Derby game tonight: step forward Tom Davies.

He was a tiger. Always seeking the ball. Always with the courage to attempt the forward pass, no matter how tightly marked he was or how limited was the space he had in which to play.

Silva got booed for taking him off and replacing him with Schneiderlin. I'm not going to be so quick to berate the manager for that one as many have.

The overwhelming majority agreed that just 3 days ago on Sunday Davies did most of the leg work in midfield and was running on fumes around the 70 minute mark and should have been subbed out. Steve Ferns reported he was also carrying an injury. But Silva kept him on to the end.

Now to me, tonight Tom looked really up for it and that pure adrenalin would have seen him through to the end. But I'm not privy to his numbers that might have shown it was risking injury to him if Silva kept him on. Plus, he was on a yellow card and still flying into challenges. So I'll give Silva a free pass on that one.

And it won't be popular, but Schneiderlin was OK when he came on. Holding position well and spreading the ball well. The biggest problem for me - as it was eventually against Leicester - was who shared the midfield roles with Davies, Iwobi and Siggy.

Iwobi simply doesn't like the grunge work and is almost non-existent in the tackle, or even just standing up to a player and making it difficult for him to go past him. Siggy is almost reduced to two ineffective ways of stopping a player - putting his arm across the chest of a player or pulling him back as he goes past him. It seldom works.

Silva will go very much sooner rather than later. But I don't subscribe to the view some are expressing that we have a very poor and spineless squad that requires wholesale changes.

The overwhelming majority of the players were at Everton last season when we closed out the season in style.

It is painfully obvious Silva has been unable to build on that 'success'. It doesn't follow that a new manager coming in cannot quickly organize and inspire better performances from the same players we currently have at the club.

Anyone seeking the familiar, a comfort blanket of the known such as a return of Moyes or Allardyce, is being regressive.

What we need is a manager with personality who stamps his authority on the club immediately.

They are out there. Moshiri and Brands - NOT Kenwright! - just have to convince one of them to come to Everton.

SOON!!!

Eddie Dunn
275 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:00
Well summed-up Jay. A new boss might just sort it all out. We might not be top six material, but surely this lot can climb the table.
Peter Laing
276 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:17
Jay #274, I beg to differ on Schneiderlin. Did you see him at fault for the 5th goal, he went to cover Firmino at the bye line when Holgate had him covered, simple lay off to an unmarked Winjauldum for a tap in.
Graham Blakeman
277 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:25
Steve Ferns, Agree on 3 of them names. I think Pickford is giving his all, but is playing with dummies in front of him. He is getting exposed far too easily. appreciate your response.
Stephen Davies
278 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:37:39
Danny #269
I'm glad you mentioned that penalty incident with CL.
I don't think it even went to VAR but it was a foul in the box on him wasn't it?
Even McCoist thought so both at the time and after seeing the reply but non of our players didn't appear to protest at all.
Imagine if it was the other way around. What's going on ffs??
Gerry Ring
279 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:38:39
This conversation is steering to a conclusion that Silva is not the problem at all but it’s all Brand’s fault. Unbelievable!!! Mr Plan A ( with no plan B) is responsible for selecting & preparing his team and in this regard Silva has been comical. His Premier league record is deplorable & you can safely bet that he won’t manage in the premier league again. We are in big trouble & as long as Silva is in charge, the rot will continue. He should have been sacked months ago.
Tony Abrahams
280 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:38:55
Okay Steve, thanks for that mate, did he also bring in Duncan Ferguson or is he not just part of the furniture?

I saw Carragher go back to Liverpool for sky tv, and although he had only been out of melwood for 18 months, you could just tell by the fella’s actions and mannerisms, that he half felt like an outsider, and the only person he looked genuinely at ease with was the canteen lady Steve.

This is what real professional means imo Steve, and that’s also just the tip of the iceberg Imo. Jamie C, thanks for that stupidity mate, it made me smile, and that’s something the fella you was alluding to could never make me do! Goodnight everybody and hopefully some better news starting tomorrow, even though I’m going to have nightmares over the thought of Moyes, more than losing to Liverpool, which just about sums it up for now.

Steve Ferns
281 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:39:03
I can't put my finger on what's happened to Sigurdsson. Sure I never wanted him, I thought he was far too expensive, but let's not say he's utter shite. He did well in flashes last season and won us games, such as Leicester away, and weighed in with 14 goals. This season, I don't think he's scored more than that single goal against West Ham. Watching him get about the pitch and I don't think his "legs have gone", he was never very quick to begin with. He just seems incapable of effecting games. His strengths are freekicks, but he has not scored a direct free-kick and his corners have been poor as well. His passing can be match winning. But getting him in position to get on the ball in those key areas seems to be the issue. He can shoot, but again he does not seem to get the ball in the right positions.

Has anyone any ideas as to how he has faded so badly in just a few months, because 15 bad games is much more than a serious loss of form. And the more I see of Iwobi, the less I think he is the answer.

Rob Dolby
282 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:39:32
It is very rare that a midfield as weak as ours will win or even draw football matches at this level.

No surprises that we took a beating in which they started taking the piss in the 2nd half.
Probably their easiest game of the season.

Pickford had a mare for a couple of the goals. Iwobi again looked lost. The defence looked like statues, It's just too easy to score against us.

Surely to Christ even Jimmy the kit man could do a better job of motivating these multi millionaire under performers.

I wish I had a £ for every time someone mentions that Silva has to go but ffs he has to go.

Andy Crooks
283 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:10
I was surprised when we signed Pickford. He has confidence that surpasses his ability. He oozes panic. His cretinous histrionics are embarrassing. How on earth did he ever get an England cap?
Stephen Davies
284 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:21
I know it's only The Express but it's reported that Silva has said his Goodbyes to the Players
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1213234/Marco-Silva-Everton-Sack-Liverpool-Premier-League-Anfield-Defeat-Farhad-Moshiri
Steve Ferns
285 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:51
Tony, no idea at all on Ferguson. If he survives another change of regime, then I'll be astonished. If he really has to have a job at Everton out of sentimentality, then knock him down to an ambassador. Knowing our luck Moyes is already sat in Finch Farm unpacking his stuff and has agreed with Bill to keep Duncan on.

I see Gallardo's odds are drifting and Moyes is the even favourite once more.

David Hallwood
286 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:42:55
What ever happened to VAR? Van Dyck cleans DCL out with a stonewall pen, which should've been a red too. It's referred to Martin Fuckin Atkinson, and for some reason he doesn't see anything wrong with it. Even Danny Murphy said it was a stonewall;

It was 2-1 at the time, and it would've altered the game. A horrible season, no luck with injuries or with VAR, it's hard not to detest this fucking game.

Derek Knox
287 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:43:05
Jay, @ 274, it's a good job your dog can't talk, he would ask you to change his name, as even he is losing 'Street Cred' alongside the Red Setters, the Liverpool Tripe Hounds and Yard Dogs. :-)

Seriously Jay, something has got to be sorted and soon, otherwise the unthinkable will be a reality.

Kevin Prytherch
288 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:43:11
Jay 274 - agree with pretty much everything you say there. Iwobi is fast becoming an embarrassment and test some are still advocating him to be the solution to our centre midfield.

Jim Bennings re. Unsworth... let’s get some perspective.

He never had more that 3 or 4 days between matches. He took over a team that was in free fall and hadn’t won away in the best part of a year. The games you mention...
Lyon - expected loss - we lost
Leicester - expected loss - we lost
Atlanta - dead rubber
Southampton - fair enough but badly let down by senior pros.

You fail to mention...
Chelsea 2-1 with 2 x 18 year olds in centre midfield
Palace 2-2 away from home
Watford 3-2 victory
West Ham 4-0 victory.

League performances - played 5, won 2, drew 1 lost 2. After 15 games that would equate to 21 points.

If you want to slate Unsworth - pick on his whole reign and not just some carefully selected statistics please.

Danny Broderick
289 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:02
Steve (281),

I’ll tell you what has happened to Sigurdsson. He scored 14 goals last season, but he was shite. Take his 14 goals out of the equation and the games passed him by. Now and again, he would make a cute pass or score a good goal, and people would be drooling. Don’t be fooled by the stats. He ran around a lot, never getting past 3rd gear, and got the odd goal and assist, but his play was poor.

This season, he is simply replicating what he did last year, but he is having a goal drought.

His general play has never been good enough since he’s been at Everton.

Anthony Murphy
290 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:09
We need to stop the rot and quick. At the weekend, we need to work on keeping a clean sheet first and foremost. We can build from there, but Silva simply can’t be in the dugout.

I reckon (not my choice) that we will see Moyes on a short term contract with someone like Cahill (or Phil Neville?) brought in alongside to appease fans

Frank Crewe
291 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:55
This is what happens when a side brimming with confidence and belief led by a manager who knows what he's doing meets a side devoid of confidence, without belief and led by a sulking incompetent manager.
Player for player Everton are at least as good, if not better than at least half the sides above them. There are current internationals from top countries all over the park yet they play like a bunch of strangers while the manager stares at his feet pining for the CB he never got. Personally I think if Van Dyke was playing in the current Everton side it would make no difference at all. Silva has had his chance and now his time is up.
John P McFarlane
292 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:45:56
Stephen 284 The last line of that article suggests that Moyes will take over as interim boss.
Sandra Williams
293 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:46:33
Can someone. anyone give me one single reason why I should go to Goodison on saturday?!! I've been a Blue since the day I was born (a long long time ago!), my first game at GP was April 1975 and thank God I'm old enough to have seen us win things and have a glorious night in Rotterdam. But I think I am done. There is nothing but heartache now, no light at the end of the tunnel, nothing to look forward to, no hope and going to the match is now becoming more of a punishment than any kind of pleasure or enjoyment. Everton FC are sucking the life out of me. And am sure many many others.
Rob Dolby
294 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:46:38
Steve 282. Sigurdsson isn't as effective this season as he doesn't have Gana Gueye or Gomes tidying up behind him.

He is the luxury player that needs workers and legs around him. Due to our centre midfield being reduced to the worst I have ever seen, I don't envisage his form returning any time soon.

Andy Mead
295 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:47:00
I don't know what has to happen for Silva to get the boot. How many more games must we lose before he is gone? Tonight we were torn apart by the simplest of long balls. Slow defenders trying to hold a high line against pace is suicide. Any Sunday league manager can tell you that! Made it so easy for them. Players arguing amongst themselves whilst the manager sits sulking pitch side, pathetic! We have all the ingredients of a relegated side. No shape, can't defend and a manager who looks clueless. Mine and Keane are both slow and getting exposed every time they are ran at. Siggy is non existent. DCL useless.Pickford needs dropping. At fault for the first goal. What's the point of a back up keeper when hew can't get a run after the first choice ships 5 goals? With the current personal we might as well put Richy and Keen up front and try and outscore teams as we can't defend for shit.
Andy Kay
296 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:47:32
Torino, 1860 Munich, Espanyol and now Everton. Liverpool is a one team city. 30 years of bungling mismanagement has finally come home to roost. Relegation is an odds on certainty. All you need now is for Rafa to come in and take us down while they win the league ( and probably the Champions league again. ) You couldn't script it any better for them. And anyone who doesn't believe it could happen look at the gulf between them and us. You can keep your EITC and shove it firmly up your arse. From debacles with stadium moves, sponsorship, kit suppliers and media marketing, the club is a shambles from top to bottom and thats before anyone mentions the onfield exploits of a rudderless, captainless ship slowing sinking into the Championship. Nothing but embarrassment and shame from a once great club while they go from strength to strength again. Even the fans need to look at themselves. No songs, no outrage at any of the above, no pressure to kick out the board years ago. Just apathy. We expect defeat and accept decisions with a " Everton that!" Worlds apart from those bastards. Songs flags passion and belief they have in spades, and us. our 'istory. Fucking shite. At least we can check out the brick in our trophy cabinet on the club tour. We've had chance after chance to change, to fight back, to stand our corner with everything from the Media bias to FA decisions and we have done nothing for decades. You get what you derseve in life. We deserve to be in the bottom 3.
Jerome Shields
297 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:47:49
Steve#259

Brands appears to have been naive in that he took the Director of Football job, knowing that the Manager he had to work with was selected by other parties. Brands did come in a week earlier than the start of his contract to meet Silva and then it was announced Silva was appointed.

I take it the fact that Brands contract had not started he had no official say in the appointment, though his opinion was sought. This was also a naive situation to get himself into, since he was drawn into responsibility for the appointment, by Moshiri at short notice.

Brands then as you say went about his duties as Director of Football, but then he was appointed to the Board, which gave him more responsibilities without the power, or maybe the will on his part to change the footballing structures within Everton, which need changed. Brands appears to changes things in relation to his Director of Football role, but nothing in relation to his Director on Board ro!e.

The crux now has come, that Everton need a new Manager, but Brands and the rest of the Board have not prepared for this situation occuring. Cuco hasn't even been talked too.

It's as if they set out a plan and never thought it may not work out, with the appointed Manager.

Lev Vellene
298 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:48:01
Ack!
Steve Ferns
299 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:49:18
Danny, he's not having the shots though is he? It's not he's suddenly unable to score and whacking them over the bar. I remember a couple against Norwich that went close, but other than that he just seems unable to get into position. He seems to mark himself out of the game (when played as a number 10). He never seems to try and grab the game by the scruff of the neck and make something happen.

I saw Davies try to make things happen. Iwobi might have had a bad game but he tried to get on the ball, Richarlison dropped deeper a couple of times and tried to play a pass or two. Sigurdsson just does not seem to try. And he's the captain!

Drew O'Neall
300 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:49:45
Kevin 204

Thanks for taking the time to respond so fully.

I’ll just answer your points (paraphrasing them in-so-doing) rather than go into chapter and verse to back up my original assertion.

4-2-3-1 / 4-4-2 when defending.

Pickford
Sidibe (I said Coleman, forgot he was injured), Mina, Holgate, Digne
Richarlison, Schneiderlin, Davies, Bernard,
Sigurdsson, DCL.

I’m not sure Bernard is fit to play 60-90 mins yet but regardless, I think playing the 4-2-3-1 with Sigurdsson in #10 has been exposed as a busted flush. You will argue that it worked against the better teams who have plenty of possession and I would counter that Liverpool aren’t one of those types of teams.

I would not have defended high, I would have limited the space between midfield and defence, and similarly between defence and the keeper. Sigurdsson and DCL would have been pressing all day. Schneiderlin would have been sat in front of the centre backs offering protection. We would have had 2 wide players breaking when we turned possession over with the full backs holding their position.

I do concede that you would mitigate Liverpool’s counter-press but I just find it negative and reactive at a time when he’s still searching for his best side / way to play with the new squad he (/Brands) assembled. Your system makes sense in the same way Allardyce’s systems made sense but it doesn’t move the agenda forward.

As for subs - Kean should have complimented DCL, not replaced him (Iwobi would have been the obvious choice).

I disagree. DCL offered nothing and Iwobi is the only player in the side who can receive the ball ‘between the lines’ and pick a through-pass. Finally bringing Kean on with Iwobi still on the pitch, (albeit still out wide at the time he joined) and Richarlison supporting him, gave him the maximum opportunity to do what he does best and that is get off the shoulder of the last man. It nearly worked but, to be fair to Iwobi and Richarlison, they were both completely knackered by then.

Schneiderlin is absolutely pointless if we are ever chasing a game, he should only ever be playing if we are protecting a result (which is why I think he should have started).

You’re making my point that your tactics were negative. I would prefer to go to Anfield with the ambition to win no matter how small the probability. I don’t believe Schneiderlin has a future at Everton however he does have a solitary talent, and it’s not screening the back four. He can play a long pass. He seldom does it these days, playing for his pass completion stats as he seems to but I thought his introduction gave us someone, in the context we were chasing the game and had just brought on our £27m striker and the dynamic Bernard, who could take the ball from the defenders (who had a lot of ball by then) and quickly get it upfield into the large spaces vacated by Liverpool’s fullbacks. He did this well when he came on.

Silva, not for the first time, has simply thought “that team worked last time, so I’ll play it again” without any regard for the opposition.

Eureka! Finally he has found something which works (your words not mine). We have been moaning for months he has been too stubborn to change from the 4-2-3-1 and when he finally does he is castigated and told to play, guess what, 4-2-3-1.. just goes to show you can’t please all the people all of the time.

He’s got a problem in midfield and a problem at the back. Terry Venables said, ‘if you can’t beat them in midfield, you have to outnumber them’.. Marco has adopted the approach that you play without one.

I like the new formation. I think it covers our weakness at centre back and utilises well our highly mobile fullbacks to be where they are needed most. Be under no illusions that this is a sticking plaster because we need to replace Mason Holgate and add a quality centre mid but fair play to him for finally identifying the issue and being creative.

And by the way, Coleman is finished.

Kevin Prytherch
301 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:50:41
Peter 276
Look again. Schneiderlin is marking Wiljaldum them has to go across to cover when Holgate gets beaten too easily. Don’t think you can blame him there.

Don’t want to have a go at Holgate as he has been better than £60 million of talent in Keane and Mina in recent weeks.

On another note - sort of mentioned already...

Brands should be starting to come under scrutiny now.
Iwobi - is one of the worst pieces of business I have ever seen
Mina - is proving more and more he is not a premier league centre back
Kean - we hope he comes good, but he ain’t showing much yet.

That’s nearly £100million with of “talent” that has major question marks over them.

Jerome Shields
302 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:50:52
Pickford most games launches the ball up the field, without consideration of where the Everton players are on the pitch.
Andy Houghton
303 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:52:58
In reply to #281 Steve. For me with Sigurdsson you have to play quick players all around him both centrally and wide to give him the room to be creative in last third. You also need a centre forward (Llórente) who can hold the ball up so he can join the play. When he goes now to join forwards it comes straight back so he’s caught up front and not quick enough to get back so he looks lost and ineffective.
Mike Price
304 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:53:18
Danny #269 Bang on... Klopp and their players scream loudly and highlight every tiny perceived injustice! The pressure builds and affects future decisions.

We are spineless weaklings with zero fight or leadership and never say a word. Teams coordinate their complaints and outrage but we've lacked this for years and we consistently get screwed over.

They have vastly superior footballers but there is no excuse for us not matching their fight and aggression. Teams from much lower leagues than the Championship would give them more problems.

Joe Corgan
305 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:55:01
Andy Kay 296 - "Relegation is an odds-on certainty."

There's a lot of opinions in football, but that isn't one of them. We are currently (roughly) a 7-1 TENTH favourite to be relegated this season with professional bookmakers.

Ernie Baywood
306 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:55:25
Ever play a game where the opposition is so shit you just end playing really direct? Usually accompanied with a few players complaining that we need to calm it down.

Liverpool didn't go long because they had to. They went long because it was just so easy to do. Rest assured, that if we'd been more solid at the back, they just would have played through us.

We're rank. 5-2 flattered us and they didn't get out of second gear.

I admire how anyone on here can talk about solutions. I'm just feeling so deflated and almost apathetic that I can't muster an answer.

I've devoted a huge chunk of my life to this club. If I'm feeling apathetic after a Derby defeat then something's drastically wrong.

Mark Guglielmo
307 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:56:17
Shane @236 only at fault? Of course not. But on at LEAST 3 of the goals, he's either brain dead, doesn't understand angles, and his positional play is laughable. He's terrible and is being exposed more & more.
Soren Moyer
308 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:57:31
For me only Bernard, Kean and Richy are worth keeping. The rest are not PL quality, period. Iwobi, Siggy, Sidibe, Keane, Holgate, Mina and the rest are just not good enough! Oh and Silva OUT!
Gary Hughes
309 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:57:32
In case anyone missed it, last season we were fucking shite with Gueye, Zouma & the assistant fella who's now gone (whoever the fuck he was) This season, without all of the above we're fucking shite. The season before that we were fucking shite. For most of the last 20 years we've been fucking shite. Can you see a pattern developing here? Until Moshiri removes Kenwright & his gang of amateurs & puts professionals in their place we will continue to be shite. No new manager or new signings will ever change the culture of failure that has now become part of the clubs DNA. We need immediate action but if it's only Silva that goes then we will be back here again in 12 months time guaranteed.
Steve Ferns
310 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:58:46
Jerome, how do you know that there is no plan in place?

Can you not agree that Everton have not given Silva the players he had last season, ie replaced Gueye and Zouma. Ok we got Gbamin and he got injured, but we don't even know he is good enough.

Everything coming out of Everton seemed to be about giving Silva time, and the reason to give him time was to then deliver the players he needed in January.

If the board did want to give him time, they then get another guy in place and wait. Say the guy they have agreed on is Marcelo Gallardo, we had to wait for the Libatardores to finish and that only just finished. It then takes a while to sort everything out.

It's not as quick as asking someone if he wants the job and simply agreeing a wage. Mourinho agreed to Spurs weeks before he took that job, just ask the Lyon owner, he said as much 4 weeks or so before Mourinho was appointed.

John Kavanagh
311 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:59:16
If we have no replacement lined up, then Unsworth has to get the short straw for Saturday. If we don't get shut of Silva now (I wanted him gone after Burnley) then we will go into January bottom on 14 points - needing to win more than half of our remaining games. Can anyone imagine what will happen when the first Chelsea goal goes in with Silva still on the sidelines? They'd need to call the riot squad out.

At least Unsworth knows most of the players and what they are capable (and more importantly incapable) of. If Moyes returns then the reaction will be almost as bad as Silva staying. Kenwright and Moshiri should stay well away.

That Gallardo from River Plate might be an adventurous choice and could maybe bring a couple a couple of hard cases from South America with him in January.

Anthony Newell
312 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:59:33
@Sandra

"Born, not manufactured" would be my answer – and thus consigned to a life of purgatory. Heartache indeed.

Kevin Prytherch
313 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:01:44
Drew 300

Don’t think we’re going to agree at all here. I wrote an article at the start of the year called “Horses for Courses”, saying at the time that our formation (4-2-3-1) works against better opposition (as proven last season), however we need to tweak it depending on the opposition. I also said that I don’t think Silva will do this.

Alas - Silva has persisted with the formation that works against better teams against teams that it will not work against. He has then tried something against Leicester, got a vaguely positive outcome and, rather then looking at the opposition, has played the exact same way again.

I do agree with you on Schneiderlin, he offers little, but can have a range of passing. What he does do though, is be very positionally disciplined and, in turn, limit the space between defence and midfield. I think that would have benefitted us at 0-0.

I also think Iwobi had a shocker and is looking less and less like a £35million player. DCL didn’t offer much as a lone striker, but all it takes is a couple of flick ons (which he is more than capable of) for Kean to be in. Kean hasn’t shown much as a lone striker so what would we have had to lose by playing 2 up front?

Kieran Kinsella
314 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:04:21
Sandra 293, Ernie 306

Same here. I quit being mad and tried gallows humor. But I’ve about given up. Lots of blame to go around but ultimately it stems from Kenwright. A vain, self important charlatan who neither had the money nor sense to run a club. For years he was propped up by the shady Philip Green until he suckered this mug Moshiri into the club. Since then he’s at the forefront of all positive but freely detaches himself from all negatives to any listening fan or journalist. I imagine he will resign before we are relegated or bankrupt and blame it all on Mosh

Steve Ferns
315 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:05:35
John Kavanagh, have a look at Exequiel Palacios Link

The standard might be worse, but surely he would be a significant improvement on what we have available, and surely he'd want to play for his old boss. He also seems a key player to Gallardo's tactics. Being from River, his wage demands should not be ridiculous (like the Walsh signings) and the transfer fee should be more reasonable than we are used to.

I'll be praying I don't wake up to Moyes tomorrow. Everywhere is saying Moyes. It's our worst nightmare. Where does this leave Brands? Will Moyes be signing up free agents Jack Rodwell and Victor Anichebe?

Jerome Shields
316 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:07:12
Jay#274

I agree we need the right type of Manager to motivate and organised the present squad.

Danny Broderick
317 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:12:15
It’s got to be Unsworth and Big Duncan put in temporary charge now. Both of them have earnt their stripes at several levels within the coaching department. At some point, they must be ready, or else it’s no point having them. It’s not working under Silva. Our recruitment has been atrocious also. We need to get back to basics, defend properly and inject some passion.

Who knows what the correct path will be. But we are on the wrong path currently with Silva in charge and a Director of Football recruiting the players. We need to shake it up and reevaluate.

But whoever comes in, they need to put the spotlight on the players. Because these shirkers have let several managers down now. A new manager will not have a magic wand that can teach international players how to play football. What is missing is some of the basic things in football - passion, commitment, leadership, mentality. If Silva goes - and he has to go - these players should be in the firing line also.They have let us all down.

Colin Glassar
318 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:13:28
Right now I’d take Roy. He’s taken a bunch of average journeymen at Palace and turned them into a disciplined, tight knit team who all fight for each other.
Bill Watson
319 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:15:22
Why is this hapless manager still in a job?
Ron Marr
320 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:04
If Moyes returns, it highlights the unpreparedness and lack of ambition of this organization. Just say no to mediocrity.
Andy Kay
321 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:24
Joe Corgan, fair enough with your response from the bookies but I'm calling 9 defeats from 15 against teams like Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Norwich, Brighton, Villa, Burnley etc relegation form big time.

I see it in the spineless performances. I can't see players or fans up for the fight. I've seen it before with Aston Villa, Leeds Utd, Nottm Forest, Sheffield Weds years ago. Stagnating acceptance of "we were good once."

For people saying they can't see it or we're too good to go down, well after seeing this season I'd actually be surprised if we stay up!

Rob Young
322 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:42
Guardian and Mirror claiming it will be Moyes... what the fuck?

That's all our board can come up with, having known for at least a few weeks that Silva has to go???

Moyes? We should let them fucking have it at Goodison Park on Saturday.

Kev Pye
323 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:17:22
When a football player shows in half-hearted tackles a lack of tracking back when losing the ball, and no desire to help teammates... looking at tonight's game, we have to question our scouting. Are purchasing paying far too much for players without character or skill? This is a recipe for failure.

It's become too comfortable at our club, players turning up in new Bentleys for training when they haven't achieved nothing. Our suffering fans have had enough — we're too nice as a club and this reflects on the pitch.

Stephen Davies
324 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:18:30
Danny #317
You want Duncan Ferguson to remain and manage and Coach this Squad or just to remain and keep putting the cones out for training?
John P McFarlane
325 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:18:40
Colin #318 I think It will be Moyes on a temporary contract but will he takeover tomorrow or will he wait until the Burnley home game?
I'd never have predicted that Dour Davey would ever be invited back to Goodison as first team coach, but this is Everton and we always expect the unexpected - all this on the anniversary (04.12.13) of our 'breakthrough' victory at Old Trafford six years ago courtesy of Oviedo, we were optimistic then what the hell has happened?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

326 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:22:49
If it is to be Moyes, the board is playing a seriously, but seriously, deadly game with the club's future and its ongoing relationship with the fan base.

If Moshiri and Brands sanction this then they understand nothing.

Andy Crooks
327 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:24:43
If David Moyes should return I would feel that our club had lost any semblance of dignity. As I don't have a season ticket I have no way to express disapproval. I will just look at local football instead.
Jim Harrison
328 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:26:06
Aaannnd he’s done

I had this little dream that this was the day it all turned around. Silly me. Silva has to go in the morning, he knows it, we know it, if the board don’t know it then there is a big problem at the club.

Right now I don’t k ow who should replace him. Take a punt on someone with no PL experience? Chuck it all at Howe and see if he can fix the defence? Get Moyes in with Cahill as an assistant?

I think it’s likely to be Moyes on a short term contract now. With another rescue mission on the cards ala fat Sam. If that’s the case they better have a strong candidate lined up for the summer!

Mark Guglielmo
329 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:29:50
I owe everyone here an apology.

I became a fan when Moshiri bought the Club, so I accept full responsibility for what's happened since then. It's my fault.

Sorry guys.

Drew O'Neall
330 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:30:15
Kevin 313

We did play two up front. The other one was Richarlison.

I don’t disagree you should consider the opposition when setting up your team, especially if you are the inferior party however I think we have suffered from being the superior party for most of this season so far and not having chosen the formation which suited our best players best.

Lee Paige
331 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:01
Moyes returning would be an utter joke, millions spent and we turn to our old miracle worker who left us for Man Utd, was sacked and then sacked by every other club since and achieved relegation with Sunderland. Anybody supporting that has a bloody screw loose and should be ashamed.
Joe Corgan
332 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:20
Andy 321 - I understand, I do. There are 23 games remaining in the season and I still believe our squad is massively underperforming compared to their ability. We can discuss the relative shortcomings of every single one of our players all day but it's long been a fact that it's normal for good players to look very ordinary in an underperforming side.

Take Iwobi for example. He was dreadful tonight, as were others. Some have been all season. But confidence is low, the managers tactics aren't working and Goodison is nervous. I still believe that the squad we have should be in the top half as a minimum.

That's not to say we're too good to go down - that would be a very dangerous attitude to have, but we absolutely don't need to overhaul the squad to pick up the results we need to comfortably avoid relegation.

Ironically, if Sam Allardyce were appointed tomorrow I think we'd all be relatively relaxed about the prospect of relegation. At the moment we need organisation, discipline and motivation - the very things that Allardyce pretty much guarantees. I am not for one second suggesting we should bring Allardyce back (God forbid!) but if we can find another manager who brings those attributes we really shouldn't have much to worry about. At the moment, the blame for every game we lose should to only be given to Silva but to the board who are allowing this untenable situation to continue.

John P McFarlane
333 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:22
Jay #326 I totally agree with you, but who else would want the gig in the present circumstances? The Mail or the Guardian I can't remember which, reckon he will bring Tim Cahill with him in a coaching role, I would advise the club to try and tempt Arteta too, with the carrot of both taking over as full time bosses in the summer.

Any ideas of us becoming a real force in the game will have to be put on the backburner whilst we regroup and concentrate on preserving our status in the top flight, whether enough supporters will be able to climb off the canvas to back this possible decision is open to debate and personally I'm not certain if I can, even though I understand the reasoning behind it.

John Kavanagh
334 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:31:38
Steve @315. If Brands considers himself a professional he will have no option other to resign rather than end up a laughing stock among his peers if Moyes returns. Because on paper he would be both responsible for recommending Moyes as DoF and endorsing that recommendation as a Board member. His career in football would be finished.
Gavin Johnson
335 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:32:36
If it is to be Moyes, it has to be an interim job to be revised at the end of the season, rather than the longer contract that Big Sam the mercenary squeezed out of Moshiri. I read reports that Moyes was holding out for a similar deal. It will be telling if Moyes exploits our situation in the same way Allardyce did.
Derek Thomas
336 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:32:43
Sometimes you can be too clever by half with this formation or that. Sometimes all that's needed is enough brains to know that:

a) Nobody is as clever as they think they are.

b) There's always somebody clever-er.

c) There's a time to keep it simple and park the bus, KITAP1, be Allardyce-esque, Dogs of War, work your nuts off, etc, etc.

This does depend on the players buying into it mind.

I fear no manager worth his salt, other than the mercenary chancers looking for a pay off, would touch us.

Any half decent local pub team manager (plus many on here) could orginise us to be hard to beat...but again, only if the players buy into it.

Moshiri needs to ask hard questions of him self and on down the food chain.

If you're in the bottom 3 and its nearly Christmas, that's relegation form, you're not in a false position.

Everybody needs to look at themselves, but will it happen?

Will it fuck.

We'll have some usual suspect of a has been, or hail mary miracle man whose name may or may not end in a vowel foisted / installed on us.

Danny Broderick
337 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:33:03
Stephen (324),

We have to do something.

Unsworth has managed the under 23s to 2 league titles. He has also managed the first team twice on a temporary basis.

Ferguson has coached at academy level. He has since coached under 4 managers at first team level.

I don’t know which one of them should take the lead. But there is no point leaving Silva in charge now. A line was crossed a few weeks ago. Let’s rip it up and try something - it can’t be any worse than our current form.

Let’s put Unsie and Duncan in charge short term while we come up with a plan.

Dan Murphy
338 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:33:46
Norwegians would

I only ever watch football from Anfield when we play there so get an idea of how things change over time.

They have definitely turned attending a match into a full-time pantomime. Here's the bit where our designated banner wavers wave their banners, now everybody - scarves up, sing the song (tear up if it's your first time visiting from Toronto or Dubai). Now they've got the ball, all together now: BOOOOOO!

What a shower of wankers who can only get into following a team if they're successful and going the match is some sort of novelty show off activity. That's who they've attracted over the years: fairweather bandwagon jumpers and showboats, and that's who they are now. Klopp is their perfect pantomime hero.

I would argue they've even turned commemorating Hillsborough into a schmaltzy routine, all cooordinated action for the cameras. A bit undignified I thought.

I was getting me daughter ready for school watching the game (in Melbourne) and she screamed 'What!" when the ref bottled the penalty and later "I hate Liverpool!" That'll do me today.

I know the defending was rubbish (set up and effort) and some players didn't show the shirt respect. We can't go on like this particularly for the kids, who need to something to hold on to. But it was also a reminder of how we could never be like that and of our superiority as proper supporters.

In the next few days I'll have ones who know I'm a Blue bound up grinning and ask "Like the game?" To which I'll respond, "Remind me again, which part of Liverpool are you from?" Which is usually the end of the conversation.

Fuck them. Proud to be Blue.

Jim Harrison
339 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:34:11
Steve 310

Regarding Silva not having the players, yes it’s true, he may not of had his full squad but he has not made the most of what he has. That’s clear from league placement.

The players are not performing well enough true, but When you are up against it you need to change things. He tried against Leicester, too little too late.

It’s simple. Even without the injuries he should be doing better. Last night is just the final nail

Andy Crooks
340 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:35:57
Mark, I expect to hear a pistol shot ring out from your book lined, trophies on wall, fine tobacco scented den.You will do the honourable thing and you will be a ToffeeWeb legend.
Joe Corgan
341 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:39:03
I've said it before but Tim Cahill currently only has a UEFA 'B' licence. He has been at Finch Farm working towards his 'A' licence. An 'A' licence is required to be a manager or coach in the professional game (excluding youth teams). I'm not sure what the rules are around special dispensation.

For the record, a 'Pro' licence is required to become a head coach/manager in the the Premier League.

Jamie Crowley
342 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:39:31
If Moyes comes back, I swear to God this Club has zero self-respect. Zero.

Remember those jibe, snarky comments he made when leaving Club, thinking he’d moved on to bigger and better things?

I will turn, with malice, against this Board if they appoint David fucking Moyes as interim manager.

Colin Glassar
344 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:41:08
John P, this is Kenwright's masterstroke. He's filled his pockets with Moshiri's money. He's retained control of the day-to-day running of the club and now, he's got his darling David back! Love him or hate him, he's played Moshiri like a fiddle.

Kenwright will make sure we stay up but without Moshiri. He'll soon push him out of the club in a palace coup and regain complete control.

Jamie Crowley
345 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:41:55
Can you use jibe as an adjective?
John P McFarlane
346 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:42:04
Jamie #342, I don't believe you will be alone!
Simon Dalzell
347 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:42:42
Sandra # 293. Get yourself there! I feel your frustration, but Your support is needed more than ever. I've been going 40 years and I've never felt like staying away for that reason.

Saturday will be only my 3rd game this season due to moderate health and a long journey, but I'm still looking forward. (I endured the Norwich game, so I'm conditioned!)

Andy Crooks
348 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:44:36
Jamie, I actually believe you. If Moyes should be appointed I think you will be in Liverpool sooner than we expect. I believe you will be here, do what is necessary and return home. The board should be fearful.
Good post.
Ray Smith
349 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:45:13
As previously stated no manager these days resigns. They have to be sacked and paid off!
Can you blame them, ridiculous contracts that any sane businessman would never offer or sign up to.
I felt before tonight’s debacle, that the reason Silva was still the manager was because they had nobody in place to come in.
After tonight who in their right mind would take the job?
Eddie Howe? Not the answer, and Mrs Howe prefers to live in the south!
Rafa has a £20m penalty clause in his contract.
Arteta? Why would he come? Despite his inexperience, he’s not daft, and will give us a wide berth.
Moyes? omg, believed to want a minimum 2yr contract. He would keep us up, but then what?
We are up the creek without a paddle.
Personally I can’t see the wood from the trees.
What a mess, I will not be renewing my season ticket despite the price freeze.
John P McFarlane
350 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:49:33
Colin #344 I can't remember who it was, but they recently posted on here that the current situation (last few months) has all the hallmarks of a club ripe for a takeover. I would not be shocked if Bill has found some backers to buy the club from his mate Moshiri and his empire is once more returned to his clutches.

That would mean, unfortunately for lots of us, the dream of Everton FC building a shiny new ground on the Docks will be put to bed or at the very least delayed. There's nothing these theatre types prefer than a well-worn reprise.

Kieran Kinsella
351 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:54:27
I wouldn’t risk a foreign coach with no EPL experience at this juncture. Think Egil Olsen, Felix Magath, Pepe Mel. We have no choice but to bring in one of the usual suspects short term at least.
John Kavanagh
352 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:56:52
Ray @349. Moyes only wants a two year contract so he can return in triumph to his old club Preston next season when we are in the Championship.

Football has moved on and Moyes hasn't. His relegation form shows it. He will take us where Sunderland are now. We are in a big enough hole as it is without digging even deeper with Moyes.

Kieran Kinsella
353 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:58:46
Can’t seem him leaving utd but I’d try Chris Wilder. He lays into his team for ONLY drawing with big clubs. He has an aura about him. He would eat Sig for breakfast
Brent Stephens
354 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:00:48
Target the space left by Sidibe who is stranded up-field, causing confusion in a back three which includes a shockingly unaware and slow Keane - job starts to be done. Continue to expose Keane once Sidibe departs, job continues to be done. Not that Holgate was much bloody help.
Ray Smith
355 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:02:12
John 352,

I agree with you. It's not what I want, but as I said, I can't see the wood from the trees.
And who in their right mind (professionally) would currently entertain us?

Jamie Crowley
356 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:04:29
Kieran -

Wilder is supposedly like, bleeding Sheffield, no?

Couple that with the fact he’s only been in the Premier League not even half a season, he’s no where on my radar.

I think he’s a massive risk. Talk to me next year when everyone has figured him out, and he’s either in or barely above the relegation zone.

Jamie Crowley
357 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:07:34
Brent -

They went into the game intending on exposing our back line, and they did a marvelous job of it.

Marco, oblivious to it all, never changed his high line. We got burned time and time again, and he never changed it. That, along with subbing Schneiderlin into the game down two goals, was the final, final, final, final, and yea, for a fifth time, final nail in the coffin for me.

Brent Stephens
358 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:10:24
Robert Tressell #110 - "a first time poster", I see. What a great name! I read your "Ragged Trousered Philanthropist". I thought you were buried in the cemetery opposite Walton Prison!.
John Kavanagh
359 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:10:35
Ray @355. That's Brands job and he should be allowed to get on with it without interference from either Kenwright or Moshiri who've got us into this mess. After all, £3 million + a year and a big fat cheque if you f**k up a la Martinez, Koeman and Silva is hardly an unattractive proposition is it?
Sandra Williams
361 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:14:35
Simon, #347, I hear your rallying cry / Call to Arms for Saturday's game and it would be hard for me NOT to be there. I hardly ever miss a match unless ill or injured but I'm not sure how much more I can take!

I was there at that Wimbledon game and the Coventry game when we were all but dead and buried. I have that suffocating feeling again and it's more than frightening.

I probably WILL be there on Saturday with a heavy heart but as I live in Liverpool it would be very remiss of me to avoid it when Blue's fans are making tortuous journeys from afar. So I wish you a smooth, stress-free journey and good health! And a turn-up in our fortunes! God knows we deserve it!

Brent Stephens
362 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:15:19
Jamie, yes a high line requires fast defenders.

So we have Sidibe well advanced, and a high line with the slow Keane, and Holgate who just gets turned inside out.

Ray Smith
363 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:21:51
John 359

Again I agree with you; however, I fear that Kenwright still can't let go, and has some unknown hold over Moshiri despite his overwhelming stake in the club.

As you say it's Brands job, but does he have the free rein that he is purported to have. I do wonder!

John Reynolds
364 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:23:28
The trouble with Marco’s 5 at the back is that it’s (it was) only 3 at the back. Suicide at Anfield. We could be applauding Unsey out again on Saturday.

I was glad to see the back of Martínez, Ronald and Allardyce but am sorry to see Marco go. I liked his ideas, his intentions, his decency. Unfortunately it never quite knitted together.

Onwards and upwards. As long as that doesn’t include Moyes or Hughes.

Niall McIlhone
365 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:29:38
It's nearly 1:30 am here in the UK, I have had a 3-hour coach journey home from Liverpool and I feel strangely inspired by the posts from our wonderful fans tonight. To all our brothers across the pond, my daughter lives in Norwalk, CT, and is married ta Man City / Pats / Yankees fan so it is all good for them but please remember, you were born, not manufactured an Evertonian, that is so important in that we keep the faith.

I will be back at Goodison for Chelsea game, I will be hopeful of a draw, but right now I need a big Jack's before I get up for work at 06:00 hrs. Goodnight all, keep the faith.

Jamie Crowley
366 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:34:02
Niall -

Man City, Pats, and Yankees? Leaving the fact that no self-respecting Bostonian / New England's would EVER root for a New York team, that son-in-law of yours is the poster-boy for band wagon jumping glory hunter!

If anyone ever tells you they like a Boston team and a New York team, proceed with caution.

God bless him and all.

Bill Gall
367 Posted 05/12/2019 at 01:51:37
There will not be many managers who will not be aware of the mess we are in and I doubt if anyone will want to come as an interim manager till the end of season. Those who want that traitor Moyes whose results in the clubs he took over after he left are nothing to show that he will be successful if he joins Everton.,remember he wants a long term contract not one till the end of the season.

Kenwright may want Moyes but this time I hope the man Moshiri put on the board Mr Brands as director of football operations chooses the new manager, and gets someone he believes will not take a knife to a gunfight but take an anti tank weapon.

We need a winner not someone who done OK last time he was here, OK doesn't cut it anymore, ambition breeds success and ambition is something sadly lacking at Everton F.C. and hiring Moyes because he done OK last time is simply saying we have no ambition.

Niall McIlhone
368 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:02:43
Yes, John (#364), I would be sad to see Marco sacked too, but we are messed up as a team and as a club at this time. Our players look bereft of confidence. The season is a write-off, let's just accept it.

There is enough quality to keep us up, but someone other than Marco and the hapless backroom crew need to deal with the situation. Over to you Mr Moshiri.

That JD before bed has helped a bit., however, any lukewarm feelings towards the Liverpool fans are rapidly being washed away after all the crass behaviour tonight. God what horrible entitled bastards they are. Sorry, pissed and so tired.

Soren Moyer
369 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:08:11
NOT THE GINGER ONE AGAIN!!!!!! Please god, Not the fucking Moyes!!!!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

370 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:12:57
John @ 333: "who else [other than Moyes] would want the gig in the present circumstances?"

If I may John, I'd like to reply by way of a personal anecdote.

I've always loved nature documentaries me. The amazing diversity nature offers. The imaginative ways such documentaries are filmed. David Attenborough is arguably the greatest broadcaster that has ever lived in my eyes.

The reason I mention this is way back in the late 1970s, early 1980s, living in Liverpool, finding work in Liverpool, was very stark for a teenage adolescent as I was then.

But then, I watched a nature documentary which quite literally changed my life, a lesson that remains with me to this day 40 years later.

It showed an African tribe and how they hunted for one of their favourite foods: monkey meat. It was so absurdly easy to capture one.

They would find a natural hollow in a tree trunk, or gorge one out, and place a piece of fruit inside the hollow that would attract a monkey to it.

The key to the exercise was the hollow was wide enough for the monkey to pass its open palm through, but when it made a fist to grab the fruit inside, it couldn't extract its clenched fist as long as it held on to the piece of fruit.

The hunters didn't even have to sprint to the tree to capture the monkey once he was ensnared, even though the monkey was screeching in fear as they approached. They simply casually strolled up to net the monkey.

Why? Because the monkey was simply unwilling to release the fruit, thus unclenching its fist and enabling it to withdraw its now flat palm, allowing it to escape and live another day.

I saw myself in that monkey, ensnared by my own fears of leaving my family, my friends, the city, the familiar, to seek happiness and fulfilment in far away places.

I chose to let go, to liberate myself, to dare. I have had an exceedingly happy, diverse and fulfilled life as a result of a chance watching of that nature documentary.

Even before I left the familiar, I was challenged by those closest to me "How can you afford it?" The question wasn't only related to the financial, but how could I afford to go out into the big wide world alone without the close network of family and friends and the environment I was most familiar with.

My reply? "I can't afford not to." The implication being that I wanted to be happy, fulfilled, discover and explore new things. I could not achieve that if, like that monkey, I wanted to hold on to the past and the present but lose my liberty.

To bring my personal anecdote back to who should be the next Everton manager, the appointment should not be made based on or motivated by fear.

Those lobbying for a Moyes or Allardyce-like appointment are, in my opinion, doing just that. By following that approach you are effectively conceding getting anything out of this season beyond avoiding relegation which is not a given even with those limited specimens.

We are now past game 15 in the PL season. After the Norwich game it was only game 12. I posted then it was maybe time to let Silva go rather than passively let this debacle continue allowing him even more games to exacerbate the problems and poor points return even more. We need to act, decisively, NOW!

I am totally, but totally opposed to yet another caretaker appointment on Moshiri's watch, or the return of a recent ex-manager. HKII and HKIII did not end well for us. Flores II did not work out well for Watford this very season.

There are plenty of good unemployed managers available. There are plenty of good employed managers available.

It befalls to Moshiri and Brands (I repeat, NOT Kenwright) to find a big personality to lift the players, the fan base, the entire club, from its inertia and somnolence, selling him the club and making him an offer he cannot refuse.

In spite of what some are stating, there are good players at Everton that an inspirational and well-organized coach good get a better tune out than we have seen this season.

The remainder of this season could enable a full-time appointment to make progress with HIS team now for the following season. A caretaker appointment would literally waste this time ahead of contracting a full-time manager in the summer.

It will be deeply concerning on many levels if Moshiri and Brand's preferred solution is to reinstate Moyes, signalling as I said earlier that if they sanction it, then they understand nothing.

Mark Andersson
371 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:16:23
Wow...
John Boon
372 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:29:17
The number of posts on here indicate that we have the most loyal fans any team could ever expect. In a strange way, such a dreadful day like this makes me even more "True Blue" than ever. One reason is that I was a 12-year-old in 1951 when we lost 6-0 to Sheffield Wednesday on the final day of the season, and I have never wanted to see that happen again.

Unfortunately it is becoming more likely with this manager and an uninspired team. We MUST change, but please appoint someone only until the end of the season. Our lofty pre-season goals are once again shattered in the worst possible way. We just cannot be relegated. We need passion on the sidelines as well as on the field. COYB and show us that you also have Blue Blood, and that playing for Everton means far more than a big pay check.

You owe it to the loyal fans to dig deeper than you have ever done before for the rest of the season. There are at least 40,000 and more who are always behind you, depressed as they might be. Always Blue and Revenge in Janaury!!!




Jay Harris
373 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:31:46
Colin #343 (and #344)
Thats exactly what he did with Paul Gregg.

Ray #363. I am sure BK had it in the conditions of sale that he would stay on as chairman.

I know that was in the original sale terms as that is why we couldnt find a buyer for 15 years.

Nobody would be that stupid. OH er enter Mr Moshiri.

Phil Smith
374 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:38:30
Pickford at fault for the 1st and 3rd goal. Totally caught out in no-man's land. Pathetic.
Phil Lewis
375 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:39:32
We were appalling tonight. Silva has to go with immediate effect.

Yes, he has had bad luck with injuries and crucial Referee/VAR decisions, costing vital points. But there can be no more excuses for his apparent inability to:

a) Grasp the most basic principles of the art of defence.
b) Pick our strongest team available.
c) Man-manage his players.
d) Formulate a game plan.
e) Engage supporters with rapport and passion.

Surely there is no way back now. Put Unsworth in charge until a successor is in place.

I hope that the first thing any new manager does is to see through the facade that is Jordan Pickford. He has never impressed me, regardless of penalty saves and acrobatics, either for us or England. We will never build a successful team with him as keeper. He's a good shot stopper, but that's all. I was ridiculed for saying similar about Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson a while back, when everyone was singing their praises. Time proved me right. I'll go one further and say Iwobi is below the level required and Moise Kean will prove to be no better than Niasse.

Radical changes are needed again. Gbamin is an unknown quantity and the best player on the books, Gomes, is similarly sidelined for who knows how long.

We are at the same point as when Allardyce was appointed. Financially, relegation would mean ruin so has to be avoided at all costs. The powers that be will take no chances. So I am under no illusions that the next person at the helm will be required to do exactly the same again. Keep us afloat and survive in the Premier League. Any further Cup progress this season, as unlikely as it might seem, would provide a much-needed bonus.

Our long-suffering fans certainly deserve any Cup joy that may come their way.

Jamie Crowley
376 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:41:53
If we continue on the shit run, and only the most delusional of optimists would think we can salvage anything from our next three games: Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal, then?

We'd be on 15 points half way through the season, pacing for 30 for the entire season, and a minimum of -14 goal differential.

That.. . is.. . dire.. .

If they don't admit they're on the road to relegation and make a change - a change that should be announced in about six hours when opening for business around 9 a.m. - we're doomed.

Jamie Crowley
377 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:51:23
Thankfully, I just realized the Burnley game will mark the halfway point of the season!

So that's 18 points (optimistically) halfway through, and a 36 point-season-pace. Around a -12 to -13 goal differential.

Ah crap, it's still relegation.

Chris Mason
378 Posted 05/12/2019 at 02:57:29
It’s all just a bit shite, isn’t it?
Gavin Johnson
379 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:05:20
I see the Red Echo are saying Moyes with Cahill as an assistant. That has some appear if it's clear from the outset that Cahill will be a successor. If it was successful it could be like Joe Mercer and Malcolm Allison at City. There's a lot of what if's attached to that, like, will Moyes be able to get a tune out of this set of players? He is yesterday's man in a lot of respects. And while Cahill bleeds blue, has passion, drive, and talks well in the media. He hasn't got all his badges. If Moyes comes in I think there has to be a proviso that an ex blue comes in as an apprentice and whoever that is stays the assistant even if we have to part ways with Moyes in the summer.
Laurie Hartley
380 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:12:45
Jamie Crowley # 252 - followed your link and that was the best laugh I have had in a long time just what I needed this morning. You would make a good scouser. I wonder if we could make you an honorary scouser?

Jamie Crowley HSC - does have a certain ring to it.

By the way - a warning for Mr Moshiri. My missus of 49 years, who was an Evertonian well before I met her has just told me “I am not following Everton anymore if Moyes is appointed manager - I will follow Jose.”

It must be really bad considering she has put up with me through thick and thin all those years.

Paul Kelly
381 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:14:24
Jay Wood, you South American based heathen.

For all your insight and well thought out contribution you then come out with the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever had to read on TW

"David Attenborough is arguably the greatest broadcaster that has ever lived in my eyes."

No arguement about it, he is the best, ever.

I hope you take the 40 lashes as punishment you so deserve, like a man.

Thank you, PK

Paul Kelly
382 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:26:38
JC, go and have a 10 egger, fillings of your choice, you will feel better. Thinking of a 12 egger right now, but short on fillings. May wait for the local to open up for fillings and push me closer to the inevitable chest pains!!!!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

383 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:44:03
Paul @ 381.

Ohhh, I dunno about that Paul.

There's about another 2-3 post I've written this very day worst than that. ;-)

Paul Kelly
384 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:46:28
I'll accept 38 lashes if you admit your guilt. :)
Mick Davies
385 Posted 05/12/2019 at 03:51:11
Palace were down to 10 men in the 1st half the other day, so took off Townsend and brought on McCarthy to bolster the defensive situation in midfield – they ended up winning the game. Now I'm not saying he won them the game, but we all know how hard he works and has the do or die attitude that inspires others.

It begs the question: Why, when Gana left, did Silva do his best to get Macca out of the club?

We have always had at least one motivator in our side, whether it be Watson, Carsley, Cahill or one of dozens of others, but with Coleman and Baines past it, there isn't one of the old battlers left. Not one of the present side is up for a battle against the odds, and when Moyes first arrived, he had almost a full side of warriors (Unsie, Cars, Dunc etc) who just needed coaching properly; if that tosser returns, what can he do with this bunch of boy scouts?

No, it looks like our luck has finally run out, and we're leaving the land of milk and honey (that our own greedy board fought so hard to build) and dropping down to where we belong. At least we won't have to be annually humiliated by our red cousins, and hopefully, the Boys Pen Bullshitter will see this as his moment for the great escape, before questions arise over his 3rd failed ground move...

Luton here we come!

John Pierce
386 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:09:40
If Brands allows Moshiri to appoint Moyes then he should resign and let him play with his train set and derail it.

My guess is they’ve looked around at the right candidates but cannot get anyone to join. Silva is untenable and is twisting no the wind poor sod. They’ll have to stomach Moyes to get us to 17th then sack him regardless of the contract he signs.

Paul Kelly
387 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:14:52
Mick, luck has nothing to do with it, after Big Joe took over from Mike Walker, he motivated the same side, with the same players to beat the RS no less, kept us up from a 'near impossible' position, then gave me the best day out I've ever had at Wembley.

Unfortunately that day was 26 yrs ago, 26 fucking years!!! it's hard typing it.

But it happened through good managerial nouse. Remember talking to Andy Hinchcliffe in Plumbers bar on Hardman Street, I remember telling him he was the best left back with the sweetest left foot I'd seen and he'll play for England one day, his reply was "I wish the manager felt the same way you do", and looked down at his feet embarrassed at my comment. I just said, "trust us lad, youll eat those words, I know a good player when I see one". He appreciated the gesture and shook my hand then introduced me to the rest of the gang, Barry Horne-hammered, everyone else-hammered.

I ain't Einstein, but point being, a good manager will recognise players who fit a system, motivate them and make them feel like the best fucking players ever to grace a togger pitch and make it happen.

Andy Hinchcliffe probably thought I was a besotted fan, humble he was, but I actually believed it. So did Joe Royle. That's the difference, making people believe, plus setting up tactics and all that, something Marco Silva ain't got. And that's my take, treat yourself to a 4 egger and go from there.

Karl Meighan
388 Posted 05/12/2019 at 04:43:32
The problem I see is them gobshites in the boardroom have heard the "Oh we wouldn't have been relegated anyway" from Allardyce's time in charge and think it won't happen regardless of who is in charge.

I don't see the talented players we are supposed to have, the players themselves have the cheek to think they are a good talented squad of players. We have been unlucky and played well in parts according to Holgate. What an imposter insulting us with that shite.

The whole back four needs replacing they are that bad and the keeper should have been dropped after the City game.

The midfield is slow laboured and talentless, Bernard apart, the skill level is appalling. And strikers – they're that bad I would even consider recalling Niasse.

James Hill
389 Posted 05/12/2019 at 05:13:24
A lot of people pointing the fingers at individual players. The really good coaches and managers get more out of supposedly lesser players. A new manger is our only hope.

In my opinion, getting another foreign unproven Premier League manager would be a huge gamble with the club's future. I would go for Moyes or Dyche. I wait for the missiles from those who seemingly know better.

Michael Kenrick
390 Posted 05/12/2019 at 05:57:44
I never email the club as I think its usually pointless. However, I felt compelled to tell them tonight that I was fine with them sacking Silva but DO NOT APPOINT MOYES.

If that utter charlatan returns, I will have to seriously reconsider the time and effort I commit to following this club. Which is mostly here on this website.

Paul Hewitt
391 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:19:03
If Moyes comes in and saves us(and he will), then I see no problem with that. I can't believe people would rather we went for Howe, Arteta, or some unproven foreign manager. We are in deep shit. Let's get safe then worry about who our long term manager will be.
Paul A Smith
392 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:23:43
Phil 384. Pickford will cost us 10 goals a season. He is the modern day clown.

Some positives from last night though. Pickford finally questioned by more than 3 people and realisation the players are shit too.

Onwards now.

Tony Hill
393 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:30:02
Moyes would be an awful appointment. A confession that we have effectively given up. I would not expect him to rescue us anyway.

Mr Brands, this is your hour. Earn your money, assert yourself and take control of the footballing decisions. If you are not allowed to, then you should resign.

We are now seeing how disastrous the Moshiri-Kenwright axis is - and was always going to be.

Andy Walker
394 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:47:03
Michael, I see as usual the argument against Moyes is based on some sort of moral superiority (utter charlatan). In the real world ambitious people do leave jobs to take up what they see at the time as a better opportunity. Do you seriously believe being offered the Man U job was something Moyes should have turned down?

He has been our best manager in the past 20 years. Yet despite this your site as much as I like reading the articles and appreciate the effort your team put in, has had a narrative against Moyes for many years. This started well before he left, repeated abuse directed at him based on being dour, ginger and a pragmatist. Fans moaning about him because we weren’t finishing in the top 4 in the league every year and even some because we weren’t winning the league.

This is the manager who bought Stones, Cahill, Arteta, Jags, Baines, Coleman, Distin, Lescott, Carsley, Fellaini to name a few. Sure he had some dudes too, who doesn’t but he found real talent for almost zero money.

I used to defend our team’s performances under Moyes many times after we had won but only by a one goal margin or not in the style some fantasists preferred.

Moyes returning would bring some much needed stability into our club. It’s been run using a flawed model by Moshiri. Brands is a joke, so was Walsh. Moyes found much better value in the market and would never have allowed us to start a season with only 2 recognised CBs.

I think Silva isn’t a bad coach, but he’s been badly let down by Brands and had to work with a unbalanced squad all through his tenure. He has to go now, but so does Brands and bring back a structure where we have a manager in charge not a corporate organisational chart that looks like something based on a investment bank, in which each person have reporting lines and performance reviews, 360 feedback and agreed goals. All corporate baloney that doesn’t work in a football club.

Give the power to a manager who can spot talent, appoint his back room team, sign players and run the club without the ineffective Brands interfering.

Now put your toys back in your pram Michael, or close TW down, at least we won’t have to put up with the anti Moyes narrative anymore.

David Donnellan
395 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:52:53
This isn’t the worst Everton side that I have seen. I still remember the dark days of the late 90s. Although a lot of those players were not up to top flight football, like your Mitch Wards, Tony Thomas, etc, bought from the bargain bucket.
However this lot have been bought at huge expense & we still don’t have a cohesive team that oozes grit & determination when the chips are down.
Last night I was stupid enough to be buoyed when I saw there team selection (more fool me). I thought Klippertys arrogance might bite him on the backside. But as soon as they went one up, I realised it was going to be a long 90 minutes & Klippertys head would swell from the undoubted media fawning that would follow over his selection.

Don’t get me wrong, the shite were the better side last night & deserved the win (I’ve been sick in my mouth). However the media will fawn all over them after this & lead everyone to believe that we are witnessing the birth of the greatest club side ever & make no mistake there is an appetite in the media for the shite to win the title & I have lost count of the people I have read or heard in the media saying that it would be nice to see the shite win the premier league as they haven’t won it before. That in itself is b.s., the bastards have won the league more than enough times & football wasn’t invented in 1992 with sky’s rebranding.
Let’s be honest they never mesmerised us with breathtaking football to score their goals. Long balls that our previous manager would have been proud of undid us (Lovren got an assist, ffs!). This should have been food & drink to a defence with two giant centre backs. Instead we were carved open with ease from these long balls, amateur!
Such an embarrassing score line, but sadly not totally unexpected.

A shame the transfer market doesn’t function like the high street. We can’t go back to the selling club with our receipt & say this one you sold me is defective, it doesn’t work (literally!), I want my money back.

As for Silva, I wanted him to do well as with any Everton manager, because if they do well, we do well, it goes hand in hand.
But his time is up now, I don’t really want to see another manager sacked, as many have said the problems run deeper than just the manager. However he has totally lost the fans & the team hasn’t performed well enough for him this season, for both his & the players failings.

Bring on the next game... I suppose!

Trevor Peers
396 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:00:27
The whole situation at Everton is down to Moshiri's incompetence, he's bought a football club but has no idea how to run one. Silva is a symptom of all this. Feel sorry for him if you want, but the truth is he's a hopeless football manager foisted on our supporters, who knew from the the start that the whole saga would end just like this, in total humiliation.

How Moshiri sorts this out is anyone's guess, I haven't a clue, but I can see us going down because of his total incompetence. My only priority would be to stay in the premiership, I've no idea who we could hire to achieve this, I'm pretty sure Moshiri hasn't either, anything could happen. We have absolutely no say in the decision, it's frustrating and hopeless at the moment. I hope he sells up and hands the club to someone more worthy.

Gerry Ring
397 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:03:12
Mike @ 385. I watched that game and the punters spoke about Maccas influence in closing down the middle and blocking the gaps. He didn’t appear to do much but he was on top of everybody when they got the ball. Put in a couple of Reidy type tackles too, to soften him up. Silva sold him fo €2m😟
Joe McMahon
398 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:05:36
With Pickford, Michael Keane and DCL in a team even Pep or Klopp would struggle. This team is rotten all the way through. Kenwright has done us good n proper this time, but apparently he saved us. The appointment of Moshiri after a 15 year search is not bringing any rewards, he can stick his fab 4 where the sun doesn't shine.
Justin Doone
399 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:24:36
It's been a poor season but last night's loss doesn't change anything. It does continue to highlight the large gap between us which should hopefully be used to identify the players we need to recruit, i.e. pace!

We played well in parts and kept going. They scored some wonderful goals, the first is just pure class but apart from Pickford looking foolish in no man's lands (again) it's about pace (Keane to slow to play a high line) and a superb couple of passes.

The other goals were mostly about not learning our lessons continuing to play a high line which they exposed time and again. Why have 3 slow defenders playing a high line trying to play offside against their pacey attack was foolish.

Silva and the players are all to blame. One CD needed to push up with the other 2 dropping deeper or at least have Holgate dropping deeper for his better pace.

Anyway I'm not for sacking Silva because of this defeat. But we need 9 points on the board before FA Cup game and to beat Liverpool. If not achieved then sack him.

In the meantime get a few managers lined up, hopefully Pochettino or Mancini.

Paul Kelly
400 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:24:56
Hewey me ole mucker " Let's get safe then worry about who our long term manager will be."

Right now, I couldn't agree more.

It's the way things are, don't think I've ever felt so desperate, (apart from that one night at the Grafton when some bird said she'd hump a dog with a limp Dick but spurned my advances at the last dance).

Paul A Smith
401 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:14
I cannot believe 2 reds I have spoken to and a United fan at work saying Everton didn't play too bad really.

I spewed it at 3-1 but saw the stats today and wondered how we achieved such a result.

Eddie Dunn
402 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:20:28
BBC saying Moyes interim. Sad times if true.
Tim Locke
403 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:21:32
The last time I witness such a poor performance and humiliation was when we wheeled out our second team because we were facing the RS a week later in the cup.

This is a club in decline and has been since 2015. People might be surprised looking in at where we are in the league but I’m more surprised we haven’t been in the bottom half of the table more.

Tim Locke
404 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:25:43
If Moyes comes back and we get relegated that would be the final kick in the nuts.
Why would you put Moyes in when there are two decent managers free with prem experience.
Derek Knox
405 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:30:17
Trevor @ 396, thanks for your pragmatic post, which does make worrying reading, because it reflects not only the severity of our current status, but an even more worrying scenario for the immediate future.

I know many have said it would be a wake-up call to sample the Championship, and it would serve the incompetence of the Board right for their flippant approach and scattergun appointments in the not too distant past.

No, I disagree, the wake-up call has been there for weeks, even months, but has generally been ignored until it has come to this sad and sorry present situation.

Besides there are no guarantees that we would bounce straight back up, should the perishable thought of us being in the Championship materialise.

Allegedly the Board are meeting this morning, to not only discuss the future of Silva but to stop the rot and appoint someone who can, and there is just enough time, to maintain our Premiership occupancy even if it's lower or mid-table!

George McKane
406 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:45:51
Yet again football - - or more precisely The Premier League - - tell us "peasants" exactly who we are and where we stand - - or kneel.

For me and the many truly great Everton Fans - - like my grandson - -26 years old had a Season Ticket for more than 20 years - - home and away - - for me - - 1 year ago recovering in hospital from major heart surgery and cancer and yet still asked nurses for Everton results and lay in Broadgreen Hospital Bed watching Sunday morning MOTD when we won at Leicester with "tubes" everywhere - - CLASS and RAMPANT CAPITALISM - - Moshiri can walk away - - he's played with his expensive toy - - Silva ( God help him) was played with and now "paid" off - - don't have to talk to the fans or listen - - can't hear them from Monaco or wherever - - it's just money to them.

Not for us - - scars on our hearts - - souls scratched and hurt - - spirit dragged down and tortured - - - but me and my grandson and my daughter and you and your sons and daughters and fathers and mothers -- and grandkids - - who built this Club - - - will we walk away - - no - - See You All at Goodison on Saturday:
Everton is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
Everton is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Moshiri
I don't believe in Moyes
I just believe in me
Evertonians and me
And that's reality.

Paul A Smith
407 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:38
Disgrace of a club and don't feed me all that Kenwright shite if Moyes does return.

Its Moshiri's club and he has picked the last 3 managers.

Optimism and atmopshere will take us down now.

Ray Smith
408 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:52:01
Gavin 379

I’d go with Cahill as assistant coach/manager to a manager who would keep us up.

However, does an assistant coach/manager have to be fully licensed or working for their badges?

I guess we’ll find out later today, surely!

I’d also get Alan Stubbs in as a defensive coach, another blue blood.

To all of you with a wish list, it might be Xmas, but Santa hasn’t got what you want.

This season is now about survival, end of.

Ciarán McGlone
409 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:56:53
If Moyes is appointed.. then we truly are a club of ridicule and/or pity.

I've said it before.. Moshiri is a footballing idiot and Kenwright is a devious aul fart.

That combination has us where we are.. directly and indirectly.

Alan McGuffog
410 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:57:55
Richarlison and Digne are probably our most saleable assets. Good planning for once by the club. When we go down, and we will, this shower of tossers will a) want to leave b) be too expensive to keep even with parachute payment c) no one would want them anyway.
So get rid of Richy, Digne..We can get top dollar for them
Maybe a few bob for Pickford and attempt to start anew.
One thing that gives me some grim satisfaction is that Tiny Tears will be the chairman who takes us down. First time since 1954 ? He can regale his luvvy mates with that ho ho bleeding ho
Bobby Mallon
411 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:00:16
Last night was down to playing to high a back line and until we stop playing the high pressIng shite, then we will loose more games than we win. As soon as I saw he was playing 3 central defenders then I knew we would get walloped and we did. We needed not to let the wing backs go cavalier it cost us dear
Thomas Lennon
412 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:11:31
There is some talk that we should not change managers again and there is something in that - the players are still playing for Silva, there are excuses such as injuries, failure to replace key players, we still have a weak (though increasingly young and developing) squad outside the first 11, have maybe 50% of the squad we need in place and of course the intention - which is a good intention - was to appoint a young manager to grow with a young team. This is a 5-10 year project for top 4.

12 months ago we did alright and then had a terrible Xmas period extending into February! I wrote back then we had to grow out of depending on Geuye to get the ball back all the time and there was a clear weakness down the right that needed addressing. 12 months on we still need to grow out of depending on Gueye - trouble is he has already moved on. Keep the ball but use it quickly is something we struggle to do but we need to keep trying, it is the right system.

The BIG problem is we are once again conceding too many goals - all season. There are centre backs that we seem to be using in a way that exposes their weaknesses - the only reason for this must be while we wait for centre backs that can play in the system we want or our current players develop their game - otherwise, we do not score either. Did we stop conceding from set-pieces?

It isn't too difficult to see the faults and the results of some of the work needed to fix them but right now we just need points and if Silva won't stop the teams playing in a way that concedes goals then he is planning for his own departure. Goals conceded brings defeat, defeats breed pressure, pressure drains away confidence if the results don't come in and so on. Managers like Moyes turned this kind of situation around more than a few times so it can be done, but it doesn't look like Silva is pragmatic enough to do it - he has had long enough.

Another good old Everton fightback from the brink really isn't good enough at this stage as we pump ever more money into the salary bill, another new manager isn't either. However, results are everything and the minimum we expect is top half.

John Hammond
414 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:14:37
Noises that Moyes and possibly Cahill as assistant could be taking over.

Greg O'Keeffe at The Athletic says Moyes was mooted 5 weeks ago but the fan backlash and Moyes reluctant to accept an interim role put it on ice. So, if true Moyes wants the job full time. Not going to happen in my eyes.

Dave Abrahams
415 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:17:02
George (406), feel your pain George, loads of us Blues feeling it with you this morning, and felt it most of this season.

Not a lot of thought went into the selection of the team last night and the tactics, as usual with Silva and his coaches if they have an input, we’re off the cuff, get out there and do your best, which most of the players failed at, apparently, I didn’t see the game.

Not a lot can be said of our present predicament, we’ve all seen it coming to be honest. How do we get out of it is the question most of us are asking, is there anyone within the club with the nous to provide a winning answer. Surely there is someone.

Kevin O'Regan
416 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:17:43
I've said it before - there is no point in making changes unless you have a long term strategy and moreover a mindset of continuous improvement which penetrates every aspect of the club. If we don't have that they a change of manager or Board or whatever will not make any difference whatsoever and in 18 months we will be asking the same questions about the new manager and his 2-3 year plan etc.. pointless without a systematic change of mindset.
We were not expected to match them last night on a footballing level, but did anyone else notice that they were so much fitter and faster than us ? Or am I just imagining that.. is it desire, hunger, confidence or maybe even better timed runs - or fitness alone ? Or all of the above ? And did they have magnets in their shoes to have that ball sticking to their feet each time a pass was made ? Different class I'm afraid. And certainly a different mindset. But I had to laugh at their foul throw (despite an expert teaching them only that). Otherwise nothing to laugh about.
Dave Williams
417 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:20:05
Too angry and upset to post last night and will catch up with postings after this.
I said after the Leicester defeat that RS would murder us if we played the same formation and he did and they did!
We all know how they play. I was a centre half and if I was up against faster strikers I would drop off five yards rather than play a high line. We were so easy to beat last night and they filled their boots and should have scored seven ( ok we should have had four).
The jubilant “ experts” in the media are saying we played their B team- what bollocks! They rested two forwards but we were without our entire first choice midfield.
Anyway, basically we were awful. Why play Siggy again and expose Tom against three players? Tom gets some stick but at least he tried. The defence was woeful- what was Pickford doing in no mans land for the first and second? Why did Silva not tell the defence to drop deeper to prevent the long diagonal ball? Why did he not see on Sunday that a five man back line exposes the midfield? Siggy did nothing to help Tom and wasn’t he the most expensive player on the pitch? Our pursuit of him and Silva was astounding at the time and whoever advised it is very culpable now.
So we have to change, and quickly as we go there again in four weeks time. This needs someone who can get a grip quickly and who will not pick players because of their price tag. Someone who will give youngsters a chance. Someone to take control of what is a very dangerous situation- above all a confident leader who the rest will want to follow.
Who is that man? Not Eddie Howe- his teams play good football but the similarities with Martinez ( can’t defend) and even Koeman( may not fancy the North West) are there. Is Benitez a busted flush at 59 or does he have a burning desire to lift and revitalise a club he detested.
I am not up to speed on foreign managers but Simeone doesn’t speak English,doesn’t know the league and would surely be up for the Arsenal job anyway?
I would throw the dice with Arteta who is multi lingual, knows the club, knows the league, is intelligent and has been learning from the best. He had a nasty streak as a player too so would not be anyone’s pushover. If Tim came with him then so much the better.
Ultimately Brands knows far better than any of us. Silva was Moshiris man and I suspect Brands went along with it being new to the job himself. Now let’s see what Brands is made of because he must now step up and take control of this complete and utter mess we are in.
Very sad to see this great club in such a state and my sympathies to all those going to work today having to face the taunts.
Bobby Mallon
418 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:25:50
Two choices, Jorge Jesus of flamenco or Chris Wilder Sheff Utd. They are the only two who can get us out and the fans will love
Dave Ganley
419 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:30:31
Has a kopite infiltrated our board because they couldn't have done a better job of sabotaging our club if they tried.

Kenwright is wholly responsible for this mess. He appointed Martinez, a relegated manager when the clubs stock was as high as it had been for years. We should have got a quality manager then when we could. Instead kenwright went for the nasty cheap version and started the rot that has just been carried on by moshiri.

I love what Moyes did for us, took us from the abyss and made us competitive again and hate him for fucking us over. However, since he left his record has been shocking. Going on performance alone you wouldn't have him anywhere near the place but from reports, we are going to appoint him. You couldn't make this shit up. The lunatics are running the asylum!

Steve Brown
420 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:33:09
The people who are truly suffering are us fans, as evidenced by the 400+ posts. Patience has always been a virtue and a curse for Evertonians, as it has enabled us to endure the unendurable with stoicism and weary humour, but also resulted in us accepting average as the new good. The men who personify this for me over the last 20 years are Bill Kenwright and David Moyes. It felt like we had hit rock bottom last night, but I honestly feel we have some way to go. The appointment of Moyes will be that point.

Our fans' relationship with the club hierarchy is getting toxic and deteriorating by the day. I genuinely fear that our club will rupture if we make yet another divisive hire. We have to find a manager who understands the ambition of the club, excites the fans and will give us a winning style of play that matches our personality. I hate to say it but Klopp has achieved that at Liverpool and a hire of his stature is the only way this club can go forward.

Eddie Dunn
421 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:34:03
I wonder if Unai Emery fancies a job?
Robert Williams
422 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:37:00
Is Usmanov the answer?

Sorry! what was the question?

Roman Sidey
423 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:40:55
Some absolute crackers on this thread.
Far too many to individually point out, so here's my few bob worth.
- Holgate and Keane were terrible and partly responsible for most of the goals.
- Sigurdsson's slow build up in attack cost us the first goal. Instead of a dynamic attack on the break, his turtle like run gave them the chance to get the ball out and start a counter.
- Calvert-Lewin will never score a goal like Origi's second goal.
- It was grim, but it was also telling that neither players nor manager seemed to celebrate Everton's two goals. Both goals actually revived the match so it's plain that the players have given up and Silva knows he's gone regardless.

It's actually to a point now that I feel sorry for Silva. As has been said a couple of times over the past few weeks, he didn't employ himself and he can't sack himself - yes, he can quit but not many managers do that. That the club has allowed him to manage consecutive away games against the two best teams in the league is akin to animal cruelty.

I was thinking earlier that if Everton are relegated then these players probably have release clauses in their contracts so they'd be getting away with murder. Then I realised that these players wouldn't have the bottle to compete in the very physical Football League so we'll be lucky not to have them. THEN I realised that a lot of these players may NOT have release clauses because who in their right mind could have predicted relegation with the signings being made?

Basically, if we're stuck with even half of these players in the event of relegation, 46 matches is a long fucking season.

Brent Stephens
424 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:41:56
Board meeting today.
Stephen Davies
425 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:47:48
Berlin Munich Amsterdam Rotterdam, Barcelona.
All these cities have more than one team but there are relatively few that know who they are.
We're rapidly becoming a One club City.
Sort it Mr Moshiri or history will not judge you well.
Ciarán McGlone
426 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:56:12
"My learned friend"... I think you mean "my friend"..

Although that rather lofty distinction does tend to grate somewhat..

Sam Hoare
427 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:03:14
Oh, Kurt Zouma. I wonder how things may have been different. I said all summer that I worried about the mobility of a central defence containing Keane and Mina and last night was sadly the perfect justification for that fear.

Grim times.

Why on earth we were playing a high line I really, really don't understand. I rated Silva very highly and still help out hope for him a month or so back but once we failed to turn up against Norwich its just been over.

David Hallwood
428 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:04:01
I maybe the only dissenting voice on TWeb, but I think the board should either try to appoint Poccitino (?) Or a manager with experience in the prem or come out and say Silva's not going anywhere it's a long-term project and get on with it.

For a number of reasons: listening to Henry, Bobby BS last night I came to the conclusion that sacking Silva puts us in the same place as we were 2 seasons ago, and do we want a repeat of the, sack the manager get a short term fix to get us out of the shite? Only read Moyes for Allardyce.

Some years ago we got tonked 3-0 at Mordor and saint and greavsey(remember them) commented 'men against boys' and it was truly feckin abysmal. I was in the Kendall out camp and spent the night cursing and blinding him, I thought we were doomed with a useless manager at the helm...what do I know.

Yes I'm critical of Silva; his reliance on the old guard, the baffling substitutions, his apparent inability to act proactively or out think a clever manager; which was on display vs Sheff U and Leicester.

But perhaps if the board say to him he's got the rest of the season to turn it round, maybe everyone, players and staff will relax a little. We've got great players but no team, and that's still the case whoever's in charge.

Brian Porter
429 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:05:00
There are people saying the team are still playing for Silva. I doubt they will be after he tried to lay the blame for last night's debacle firmly on the players. Of course, not a mention of the fact he picked the team, dictated to them his tactical plan, (joke), and he refused to make a single proactive substitution as usual, or to change the game plan when it was obvious his set up was useless and we were being annihilated.

He must have thought he was odds-on for the sack so it didn't matter if he threw his players under the bus. Either way, they aren't going to give him their wholehearted support if he's allowed to carry on destroying our Premier League status.

The fact he failed to show any emotion at all in response to our second goal spoke volumes. No matter what the score, a good manager at least acknowledges a good goal by his team, even if it's a simple hand clap. Silva showed nothing and that summed him up for me, a serial loser, a cold fish personality, masquerading as a Premier League manager.

What's worrying me is that it's ten a.m already and still no announcement. Please God, don't let Moshiri take pity on him and give him even more time to drive us ever closer to relegation.

How, much time do Moshiri and the board need after last night's horror show? Frankly, I don't care now who they appoint. Even Moyes couldn't be worse than Silva. Come to think of it, Dougal the dog from Magic Roundabout would be a vast improvement on Silva.

Tommy Carter
430 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:12:27
Iwobi. My god. How did his transfer get sanctioned?

Moshiri and his money is the worst thing that could’ve happened to us.

Just look at the amount we were willing to spend on Zaha who is a decent enough player but nowhere near where our club valued him.

Under his regime I’d say that only Digne, Richarlison and Gueye can be considered anywhere near successful signings.

And the others? Well they are worse than some of the garbage we signed in that fateful summer of 1997. But at least Kendall spend modest fees on absolute garbage than the fortunes we are spending now on garbage.

It’s not rocket science but when you are the only club vying for the signatures of players like Michael Keane, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Alex Iwobi it’s usually a clue that perhaps they are not good enough. All of them were previously assessed by bigger clubs than ours as being good enough to release also.

Forget fancy modern terms like ‘recruitment’ etc. Keep it simple and sign good players for decent value.

You risk setting an unrealistic expectation when you invest those kinds of sums. I’ll be honest I did think that our club must see something in these players that perhaps I hadn’t.

A bit like LFC with the likes of Robertson and Wijnaldum. They obviously saw something that non experts wouldn’t. Each has been moulded perfectly into a very good system and as a result they look like excellent players.

EFC is a complete shambles. With absolutely no sense of identity or purpose.

And I feel sick about it.

Paul A Smith
431 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:16:44
I wondered why it had been so quiet over Moise Kean today and got told he missed a great chance.

You can all see now our strike force is pathetic. Absolute pathetic

Them pricks across the park are teaching us a fine lesson daily, not just last night..
Standards are levels apart. 4 goalscorers in attack, we have none really.

Buying quality over quantity. Essential things to improve..absolute joke this Moshiri era.

Brian, what were you watching mate. Their first goal included about 5 mistakes of ours.

Players are not good enough to carry out the tactics.

Do man for man (both sides) from last years Derby at Anfield. Look at the difference in how ours coped against a better Liverpool 11.

I can't believe people still denying or refusing to see the obvious.

This is a team of weaklinks and the manager has got that to work with.

Tommy Carter, excellent post. Dead easy to spot a good player isn't it.

After we played the mighty Ruzembrok at home, that Toffeetv joker said Michael Keane looked absolute class. In a 1-0 win v the mighty Ruzembrok.

That lunatic is feeding that message to 20 odd thousand subscribers. 🙈

Brian Porter
432 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:19:25
This could have all been avoided if someone with a football brain would have had the guts to tell Moshiri that a win in the Greek League (realistic equivalent to league 1), and getting relegated with Hull, and sacked by Watford did NOT make a good pedigree for a successful Everton manager. Don't forget, he walked away from Hull after getting them relegated, saying he didn't think he could bring them back up. Loser talk even then.
George Cumiskey
433 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:21:35
Dave Hallwood great players !!!!!.
John Kavanagh
434 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:22:05
Well. Well. 10.00am been and gone and still no news. I'm struggling to work out which moves more slowly - the Board or Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson.
Alan J Thompson
435 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:28:14
So the defence of Silva is now that he didn't want the players Brands bought so he probably wasn't consulted about those we did sign.
It appears he doesn't know how to coach them or change tactics either. Heaven forbid that after the first one he didn't get off his arse and walk across the corridor to Brands office opposite to at least enquire about future direction regarding signing players. No, according to the experts he just continued playing losing football without it being his fault. Who was it they said was most blind?
David Hallwood
436 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:33:56
George #433 as someone who sat through Scott gemmil, Carl tiler, john o'kane etc etc, good honest journeyman, this is a talented squad albeit drained of any confidence.

So yeah great players

Mike Doyle
437 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:37:45
#430 ] sadly Tommy I agree with every point you make.
Tony Abrahams
438 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:38:34
Jay@370, I’ve had to go past all the other posts, and reply to one of the best pieces of knowledge I’ve ever seen written mate. I’m glad it worked out for you Jay, but it looked like it always would, because it seemed that you already knew yourself, and you just had to go and find yourself, which you have obviously done since you made your decision all those years ago.

Everton sold half there soul, when they appointed Sam Allardyce (some would say more than half) but if they appoint David Moyes, then I can no longer support the club I love, because I would feel now that the club have got no pride left. (Desperate men, do desperate things)

A very bold statement, especially because Moyes is pragmatic, and I’ve been asking for pragmatism, but he’s only half a pragmatist, and is alright until you ask him to go and win.

He left to a heroes reception, and then stuck the knife in right away. Sir Alex this, and how could we stand in the players way? David Moyes is a bullshitter of the highest order, and to call him yesterday’s man, is a sad indictment, because Moyes has been in the game most of his life, and what the fuck has he ever won?

He’ll keep us safe? Relegation might or might not finish Everton, but it would never stop me going to watch them, but if David Moyes comes, I’m finished. So sad.

Lynn Maher
439 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:41:14
Hi Mike 193.
The lady of the many names posted on Everton website on the Tuesday. Obviously pre-empting the result!
Eddie Dunn
440 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:42
Brian, he did make an early sub, taking off Sidibe for Bernard.
Later, of course he took off DCL, who needed help all night, but at least he went 4-4-2 with Richarlison and Kean up together.
Origi showed how to play target man.
George Cumiskey
441 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:57
What sums up Silvas management for me is that he picked the same team that lost 3 days earlier and played the same formation.
When it was obviously not working he brought off Sidibe who was at least having a go and left 3 centre halfs on who were having a nightmare game.
He then brought off Davis for Sneids when we needed a player who could run at them.
Then to cap it all he brought off DCL for Kean when we needed to score.
And that tells me everything you need to know about Silvas management, and to think there are still some fans who want him kept on, incredible.
Andrew Ellams
442 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:45:29
Alan, that's not a defence but it does mean that we can't allow Silva to be the only scapegoat for the failures of others here. Moshiri and Brands have made poor decisions that have contributed to us being where we are and both need to face the music as much as Silva.

Moshiri seems to be immune from the criticism that Kenwright has always had.

Dave Lynch
443 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:46:59
Watching SSN this morning for news.

Silva arrived looking like he knew he was going to be sacked and I've no doubt he will be today.

Nearly every report coming out is stating that Moyes will be appointed. These are dark days indeed, I am waiting for the presser with BK lauding him as coming back to his spiritual home etc... With Moyes grinning like a Cheshire Cat.

This will finish not only me but a vast swath of blues as well, this once great club of ours has sunk to depths even I could not imagine.

Kim Vivian
444 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:05:19
Not totally in shock after last night simply because of the clear gulf between the two clubs (and I say clubs rather than teams deliberately).

However - my glass remains half full in that I do not think it would take too much to turn this group of players in to a decent cohesive unit. Last night was a debacle, the defence was abject, but we are the first visitors to Mordor this season to score two in the league, we made chances and we were close to scoring 4. We could have had a penalty although one could argue that so should the RS, but it is not the result about which I post but the positives.

We have undoubtedly had our share of bad luck with missed chances, VAR, etc and we do have a decent squad of players. They're just badly out of tune. Kean should get more game time as to my eyes he is showing genuine potential. Ok he missed a very viable chance to open his account - I was willing that ball to go the other side of the post, even on replays - but to put it into perspective Mane missed an equally, if not better, opportunity and also missed out on a 1 to 1 with Pickford which was eventually tidied up by Holgate. Not many chances are going to fall in a 15 minute cameo here and there although at least he got a decent 35 mins or so last night. He appears very strong for his age, clearly determined and is a little unlucky not to have scored 3 goals in his short time so far.

The defence is a shambles. I thought Holgate did ok last night and like the guy. Keane and Mina both have good games in them but are unreliable partly due to confidence and partly, I assume, down to simply poor coaching. Do we actually have a defensive coach? I was asking the same when Roberto was in charge.

Silva's time is up. That much is clear and I do genuinely feel sorry for him. I think he is close to being good but needs to learn from others at this level. Quite who should replace him I struggle with. Hughes is a no for me, I don't fancy Benitez as an Everton man, Moyes (interim) could probably sort out the defence and he didn't do a bad job at West Ham. I hear the opinions of many on here but do not share the vitriol. I had him down to be the next ManU manager 3 years before he got it, and what a poisoned chalice that was to accept. Rhino I would be behind lock, stock and barrel but as big a risk as any.

I do not concur with those saying no one with any credentials would touch us because sure as eggs are eggs they would be have been looking very closely at the overall set up, squad, potential and management, and form their own conclusions and hopefully see more than a free meal ticket. I hear Simeone is soon likely to leave Athletico and if he could be persuaded, he might just be the conductor this orchestra needs.

Andrew Ellams
445 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:15:22
Kim, we need to stop the talk of the likes of Simeone or Pocchetino. We are going to get a Moyes or a Howe or a European equivalent. The rot has set in and people within football with something to lose wouldn't touch us with a bargepole.
Roman Sidey
446 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:17:06
Brian, I guess making a 35th minute injury-less sub of a right-back for a winger and changing from 5-3-2 to 4-4-2/4-3-3 doesn't constitute changing things up when you're getting annihilated.

To be fair, I think he should have subbed Keane off rather than Sidibe, and I'm certainly not saying Silva should be kept around, but you've gone against a provable fact there.

Christy Ring
447 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:26:34
Silva and Brands should both be gone. They both made a mess of bringing players in. I’m fed up of the crap that Brands didn’t get The players Silva wanted. Zouma was never for sale, so why did they keep pursuing him, and why let Jagielka go, with no cover. Steve said Silva wanted Doucoure,,so why sell Gueye, before a deal was done, and after letting Gueye go, why sell McCarthy for €3m, would he not be a good squad player. All this shit, let Brands pick the next manager, would he not then be his puppet? Bring in a manager, for me Arteta, sole charge, take complete control, bring in his backroom staff, start afresh
Paul Tran
448 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:27:49
Jay #370 that's a great post, which I can relate to personally and as an Evertonian.

A half-decent manager will have this side in the top half in no time. By that, I mean someone who sends a team on the pitch with purpose, looking like they know what they're meant to be doing, looking like they don't have to take three touches before making a decision, looking like they believe they'll win. One that picks the pacey players and gets them playing quickly.

Poor Marco, he'd be an excellent coach if he had better players, more money, more luck, if perhaps if the opposition didn't walk onto the pitch.

His presence is, in my view, an albatross around our neck. His record speaks for itself. To use the political phrase, he is in office, but not in power.

If your loved one was in hospital for an operation, would you want the old surgeon with the old instruments & techniques who hasn't practised for a few years, or the one with the up to date experience, tools & techniques that talks about your recovery?

That's our choice. I know what I'd choose.

John Kavanagh
449 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:38:05
Dave @443. With you 100% on that one. Having floated Moyes via the Telegraph weeks ago and been surprised at the angry backlash Kenwright backed off. He's bided his time and is now craftily baiting his trap by possibly getting Tim Cahill in as Moyes' sidekick. Much as I would like to see him on the coaching staff if Tim has an ounce of nous he will give it a big swerve.

What's Blue Bill's next big idea - bringing back 'Our Wayne' as fitness coach and relationship adviser?

Robert @450. Is Josh free on Saturday?

Robert Smith
450 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:39:48
Oh to dream! In these dark days I share my story

My proudest moment as an Everton fan came less than a month ago and involves my son Josh. To set the scene Josh was born in London in the Chelsea and Westminster hospital and has as a consequence grown up supporting Chelsea (we now live in Norwich). His aunt horrified at seeing him wear a Chelsea kit has over the years continued to buy him Everton Kit, which he will occasionally wear. Josh, by admittedly a dad's bias has football talent and has been "scouted" for the academy and is his Team's leading goal scorer. Now, a dad can dream but in reality, Josh is in all probability not going to make it to the professional level (but not for want of my encouragement). The moment of pride came the game after his coach had chewed him out for over celebrating after scoring against a weak team. As a punishment he benched Josh in the next game. Come that game his side were losing 1-0 and Josh was pleading with his coach to come on. No dice! the opposition scored their second and the kid that scored ran over to his set of fans - the dad wearing a Liverpool hat. 2 nil down Josh got his wish and was sent on. Busting a gut to get his side back in the game he scored first one, then two and then a hat trick. The third goal banged in from outside the box. Josh reeled away towards the supporters lifting his club shirt above his head to reveal . his Everton top - as he did so his eyes were locked on the Liverpool fan dad. After the game his words were "that was for you dad". Oh to dream of him banging in goals for Everton. How we need a number nine.

Joe McMahon
451 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:42:45
Robert @450, just checking you are not the singer of The Cure? Sorry I know you will have heard that many times, but Everton certainly need a Cure.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

452 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:59:09
Tony @ 438 and Paul @ 448. Thank you. I consider both of you astute observers and commentators on the conundrum that is Everton, so it's reassuring to find like minds.

I awoke in Brazil this morning to read the Moyes return rumour gathering pace.

I asked myself one question which I would now put to TW:

Would any Everton owner or Director of Football untainted by any previous association with David Moyes now, in December 2019, in the situation we are in, even give him as much as a second glance, never mind a second chance?

If Everton as being reported is seriously considering just that, then one voice and one voice only is driving the narrative. A voice that quite simply should no longer be heard. A person that should be politely thanked for his time, still be made welcome at Everton, but whose governance and continuing influence at the club MUST be definitively terminated once and for all.

I will repeat the line I've used more than once in the last 24 hours:

If Moshiri and Brands sanction Moyes' return in ANY capacity, for ANY length of contract, it signals that they understand nothing.

If Moyes returns, that lost 'knife to a gunfight' will be found.

Plunged deep into the collective heart of Evertonians everywhere.

Tony Abrahams
453 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:05:04
Good luck to your son Josh, Robert, it’s a very long road, he needs to keep a very straight path, in a dog eat dog industry, but I’m sure having eyes in the back of his head will stand him in good stead. A lovely story in this hour of doom mate, I hope your lad keeps giving you loads of enjoyment to saviour.
John Kavanagh
454 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:05:10
Tick Tock twelve o'clock and not a word from our Board.
Paul A Smith
455 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:10:05
The day football fans started admiring Directors of Football was an eye opener for me. Like Marcel Cowell won the league with PSV every year.
All of a sudden hes some guru.

The working class game is gone and the ipad generation who have won leagues on champ manager are more heard than anyone these days and its trendy to copy them.


Rob Halligan
456 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:19:27
Jay, you're right. If Moyes does return, then there is only one person pulling the strings, and it certainly isn't Moshiri or Brands. My only ray of hope is that surely Moyes would have been appointed after the Norwich debacle, seeing as he's been available for some time now.

Truly depressing!!

Tony Abrahams
457 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:22:10
Sad but true Paul, I’ve just watched Dermot on ref watch because I was in the house, and can they take our game to any lower depths?

It’s interesting for only one thing, and that being the contradiction.

Just like VAR itself really, because players can dive, VAR, can prove they have dived, and yet the player still receives no punishment, so where is the actual fucking deterrent for cheating?

Dermot actually says that both players got up laughing when it was obvious that Davies was fuming with Robertson, who had one of those half-hearted shithouse smiles all over his face, and sidestepped the Arnold stamp on Richarlison, like he was Messi.

Martin Barron
458 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:23:02
Depressing, disastrous, shambolic, - if Moyes comes near this club again.
Andrew Hight
459 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:31:07
Moyes shouldn’t be allowed near the job. I can’t even believe this needs to be said. If he turns up I think it will split the already fractured fan base to a degree never seen before. The board knew this was coming so if this really is their only option then god help us.
Sam Hoare
460 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:39:20
Jay@370 A great post! Even if I didn't agree with the point you were making. Which I do.

No fear. Make an ambitious forward-looking appointment. If it blows up then so be it. We must have belief in better times.

For me Gallardo and Jesus are the two exciting, potentially available options. Pochetinno and Simeone are pipe dreams but I'm sure they will have floated the possibility to their agents. Arteta and Marcelino are decent, interesting options. I'd even be curious to see what Farke or Wilder could do. No to Moyes, Hughes etc.

Andrew Keatley
461 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:50:37
Jay (370): "David Attenborough is arguably the greatest broadcaster that has ever lived in my eyes."

How many broadcasters have you got living in your eyes - past and present?

Great post.

Paul A Smith
462 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:55:02
Just look at the selfishness in fans. So what we are saying here is, Moyes comes, Kenwright is pulling the strings ? After 3 Moshiri choices?
Wow.

So if he doesn't come then Kenwright isn't pulling the strings? Stop with the shite. Are we not trying to move on.

Hearsay, blah blahs.

Speak for the better of the fans and the club, not yourself or your agenda.
This will be our problem over and over again.

Brands fans on a tandem.


Ref Watch Tony. Another spit in the face con from the sky generation.

Tony Abrahams
463 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:59:00
Of course Kenwright still pulls strings Paul A, it’s exactly what players are born to do mate.
Paul A Smith
464 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:03:02
Tony I don't know anybody who knows that 100%. I don't believe anyone on here does.

He is if you believe tiny sections of the media or have an obsession with hating Kenwright and go looking for reasons.

Otherwise he is just a cloud head actor with a better season ticket seat than me and you. I don't know any of their job descriptions.

Speculation is empty.

John P McFarlane
465 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:08:13
Paul - Bill Kenwright is the Chairman of Everton Football Club, during the 1980s it was Philip Carter who held that position - do they not have the same duties and responsibilities ? Carter was villified during the bad times at Goodison and applauded during the good times - it's the same with Bill Kenwright.
Ken Kneale
466 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:09:34
Jay I am hoping the radio silence from the club indicates activity other than a Moyes return which as you say could only be the suggestion of one voice (likely backed up by the CEO he anointed until she sees Moshiri and Brands hopefully think like the rest of us then she will have to decide ).

Whilst Moshiri is at it, he should start the rebuilding now and shred Kenwright - this is a big moment in the history of Everton FC that will define our status for a generation.

Tony Abrahams
467 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:14:28
I hate what Kenwright, has done to Everton over many years Paul A, but that’s just my personal opinion, and loads of people would think I’m stupid or have an agenda for having these feelings.

If you can’t see that Kenwright doesn’t still doesn’t pull strings at Everton, then I could suggest, it’s because it doesn’t bother you, when you only have to look at the Everton dugout each week and realise that our first team coach has actually seen off four managers, if you include one caretaker?

Pure speculation or maybe even looking for things that aren’t there? but the reason I want Kenwright gone is because he’s been a stain on my club, a liar who has always served his own interests over the club he profuses to love, and he’s also an absolute fucking jinx.

Paul A Smith
468 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:17:08
Tony I don't like the man myself. I just get over things.
Some of the accusations are boring and gossip like.

If anyone who liked the man came back with weak rumours to defend him, the thread would never get off the ground.

Too many waste energy they could give to the team in support, on things none of us have been told about.

If you don't think he loves the club it sort of says everything about obsession with the man.

You reckon Brian Kidd is still at City because of who then? We need an everton man amongst the ranks by the way. Someone who cares. Don't you like that idea?

Jamie Crowley
469 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:26:48
Robert @ 450 -

That, sir, is a simply marvelous story.

I hope Josh leads the line for Everton someday.

ToffeeWeb, June 1st, 2024:
Josh Smith, formerly with the Chelsea Youth Academy, signed his first professional contract today with Everton. Josh said, "This is a dream come true. I always knew I was a Blue at heart, and I've my Dad to thank for that. I'm thrilled with the opportunity, and look to work hard and eventually make the first team."

Paul A Smith
470 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:29:10
If its true Kenwrong is still in a 3 way relationship with Sven and Nancy then the cabbage might have pulled us a Swede by tea time.
Ken Kneale
471 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:31:42
Paul, I want a man with competence – that certainly rules Kenwright out on any analysis of his tenure.
John Boon
472 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:37:45
These are desperate times for our club and frustration is obvious. However it is in such times that all supporters need to be as positive as possible. The "I will give up"fans are NEVER Evertonians. The team is playing lousy and need all the support they can get.

Whoever we get as manager will continue to get my support. Reading some of the negative posts only makes me a stronger Blue. The blame game can be vicious. Having been Blue for over seventy years we do need a change and I will welcome whatever comes even if I disagree with the change.

Tommy Carter
473 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:38:05
Paul A smith.

Your sarcasm illustrates that you have completely missed the point. Through a lack of reading my post properly, or maybe just a lack of intelligence.

Of course it’s not easy to pick out good players.

However, it is incredibly easy to pick out poor or average ones

Paul A Smith
474 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:47:17
Tommy. I think thats the other way around mate. I read you as you just explained and there was no sarcasm involved.

I agreed fully about the players. Pure shite.

What i was trying to say was it should easy to see the good from the bad.

Sorry if my intelligence isn't up to your standard but you are the one misreading or paranoid after i actually said Great post Tommy.

Next time i will say shite post Tommy and you can thank me for agreeing.

Charles Brewer
475 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:32:42
There does appear to be a deep and abiding malaise at Everton. If we look historically, we have had two really successful managers (Catterick and HK version 1), a couple of reasonably successful ones (Royle, Moyes, Lee) and quite a few stinkers (Walter Smith, Martinez - latterly, Silva, Mike Walker - and his hat); the "other lot" have had far more successful managers (Shankly, Fagan, Paisley - in my view much the best - Dalgleish, Houllier, Benitez and Klopp) and some mediocre to poor (Evans, Souness, Rodgers - even though he's proving to be pretty good with Leicester, Hodgson).

It would seem that this is the key difference between the respective successes. Liverpool are good at finding and supporting managers, and we are terrible at it.

I suspect HK 1, Catterick, or Paisley or Benitez could get something decent out of this team but for whatever reason, we have an atrocious manager selection and support process and have had much the same for about 70 years.

We may need a good centre forward, good midfielder and central defender, maybe even a new goalie, but none of these is even nearly as important as getting a top rank manager.

I believe the next few weeks will determine whether Everton revives as a club or becomes the new Notts Forest (or even County). Much rests on the shoulders of the board, though I suspect that that is where the real problem lies.

Tony Abrahams
476 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:51:15
Of course I want people who care Paul, someone who gets on with things, and makes them better, rather than just gets over things, (ask brands!) Would do for me.

Seriously Paul, to many waste energy they could give to supporting the team? People have been turning up to support the team all season, but it’s not long before they are exasperated though, watching such boring, unadulterated robotic shite.

I’m not obsessed with Kenwright either Paul, I just have a view that he’s no good, and has never been any good for Everton FC, a club who I definitely have an obsession for.

Soren Moyer
477 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:59:27
On another note, how the hell their Alexander-Arnold went unpunished for stamping on Richy, elbowing and handball!!!!!!!?
Paul A Smith
478 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:03:22
Tony lets get real here. We turn up but Goodison is like a morgue an the atmosphere is more poison than passion.

There is loads of Kenwright obsession. How else would his name keep coming up with no fact alongside the point?
That is called rumour, guesswork, dedication, obsession but not fact.

Like I said I don't like the man but I don't turn up for court with no evidence. Same with Koeman, Martinez, Walsh, Jay (BRZ) Steve Ferns, Yourself.

I would never assume about any of you to make a point mate. X

Tony Abrahams
479 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:16
I’ve just given you the reason why it’s like a morgue, with more poison than passion Paul, just like nothing is fact until the people who are being talked about come and give their version.

If I was to ask you a question based on your Everton knowledge, do you think Koeman, Allardyce or Silva, genuinely asked for Duncan Ferguson to be their first team coach?

Do you think Moshiri joined Everton, sacked Martinez and then said but Duncan is going nowhere?

You say you wouldn’t assume against any of us to make a point Paul, but when I told you I was obsessed with Everton rather than Kenwright, please assume I will never mention his name again, once he’s gone.

Alan Bodell
480 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:26:26
Soren, i've just come in but you're right and another was when Robertson looked down before landing his elbow on Tom Davies neck, they play under different laws mate and can always rely on this VAR to get them to the promised land.
Dave Abrahams
481 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:38:21
Paul (468), why don’t you like Kenwright?
Dave Ganley
482 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:50
This just about sums up all Everton fans, the board should be made to watch this assessment
https://youtu.be/y-IOWh8c-l8
Dave Abrahams
483 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:52
Robert (450), lovely story, don’t stop dreaming, I hope Josh keeps making you dream, good luck to the boy, hope he makes your dream come true,for you and especially for himself. If he does I hope it is with Everton.
George McKane
484 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:50:40
Did some interviews for media this morning - - generally was asked "what's gone wrong" and "who would I get" - - said that if Moshiri contacted and paid me a "fee' I would tell him - - I was pushed to "name" who was (mainly) at fault - - I said I didn't put all the blame of Silva - -I questioned some players - - but when pushed said I wondered if Moshiri actually knows what he is doing - - -see this link - - - Link
Gerard McKean
485 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:01
Jay #370: outstanding contribution!
Mark Guglielmo
486 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:32:58
Jamie @366 I don't know why I'm latching on to your comment, lol, but it may be because there were 125+ new ones while I slept off my misery.

Norwalk, CT is NYC metro, not New England, regardless of what the state of CT is considered. It's about 5x closer to New York than Boston. Cherry-picking the Patriots is the part in question.

Mark Guglielmo
487 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:52
Paul A Smith @392 as I live and breathe, I can't believe we've found common ground in mutual lack of respect, or dare I say, hatred of Jordan Pickford! I feel like we should hug or something.

A couple thoughts on players I'm well-known to like and thus defend.

Re: Kean: yes, he missed a 1-on-1 and possibly rushed it before he had another 1-2 touches to make. But here's the thing, he's got to be extremely nervous, not just because of his age, but every time he gets on, we're losing or it's a very high-pressure situation and he's expected to pull goals out of a hat. That is a lot of pressure for anyone, let alone a kid. I firmly believe if he could just start a run of games, he would be able to relax when a game has yet to be decided and would then find his groove. He's clearly a more talented, better option than DCL or Tosun, if not our immediate savior.

Re: Iwobi: had a terrible game, half of which was dreadful. He was poor at passing the ball forward on half his attempts, and was terrible at trying to take on defenders. That said, he created THREE of our 6 chances, including through balls to DCL and the pass that sprung Kean. He was out right again when he simply needs to be in the middle. We have a long list of things to point to for yesterday's debacle, and while Iwobi is on the list, he's toward the bottom.

Eric Yarker
488 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:41
Talk about death by a thousand cuts, I see, unsurprisingly, the BBC have chosen to screen the RS cup tie live on Sunday 5th at 16:01 hrs. As part of the Heads Up campaign, all 32 ties will kick off a minute late to encourage fans to think about looking after their mental health... sadly this initiative has come far too late for all us blues. Well at least we won't be a goal down until 16:02. In Moyes we trust FFS!
Paul A Smith
489 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:40:48
I don't hate him Mark I just don't rate him.
From day one I have used my eyes to judge every player.
After Walsh and all the things I was told he was and how he knows more than me, I will never take an interest in admiring a Director of Football.

I do believe Koeman was happy to sign Pickford too but he isn't the only player I don't rate.

3 from last nights team I rate. And none because they have class, maybe Digne but he can't defend.

Dave i don't like his corny interviews and his cringey personality.

I don't think that matters though. I don't believe he pulls the strings and find the thought pathetic. Even when he tried selling Martinez to Moshiri live on TV in his corny "what a manager" tone, what happened?

Like i have said a million times, if anyone can prove he does i'll be the first to say spot on, i couldn't believe a man who wanted control, hands over that control.

Each to their own though mate.

Paul A Smith
490 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:00:38
Mark I had this discussion on Kean at work with a good blue today. I have all the time in the world for him.

I hope he comes out flying and becomes a star for us believe me.

The discussion came from my mate saying we make excuses for everyone don't we, because when he said Kean should have scored but he didn't start, we threw Origi's first goal into the debate knowing he hardly plays too.

He is a mere fringe player for Liverpool and wipes the floor with all of our forwards.

To even expect Kean to be ready for the Premiership to me is outrageous when he only got a few starts in Serie A for the top team and taking into account the age and his culture swap
They were developing him so it was always going to take us a lot longer than Juve.

I said in the summer, great signing but he is behind Calvert Lewin in the pecking order without doubt.
The eductation they need is staggering now and Calvert Lewin is struggling at this level too.

Its not like when Rooney came through and Weir and Stubbs were Premier league Centre Halfs. Liverpool sell all their 19 year old strikers because they need the ready now. Why would we be any different?

You get the best you can get of course but a supposed 60 million bid went in for Zaha, and we didn't get a ready striker in. How has that happened?

Then give him Iwobi aswell to soften it up. Another waste of money. Moshiri needs to wake up and realise cast offs are dead money.

Jamie Crowley
491 Posted 06/12/2019 at 04:30:17
Laurie Hartley @ 380 -

I hope you see this post. Bit past its prime, but I missed your comment, with apologies.

Firstly, I'm glad the link cheered you up. We all need that right about now.

Secondly, in my time on TW, I've pissed more than a few off, and actually received some compliments. But Jamie Crowley HSC might be the best of both polar opposites - it'll piss some off that this seppo has the title of HSC, and it might be one of the most satisfying, humbling compliments given to me.

Cheers and thanks. And if it all goes south, find a chicken and beat the hell out of him.

Dave Abrahams
492 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:17:44
Paul (489), do you honestly think if Kenwright wasn’t still involved at Everton Moyes would be mentioned as a contender for the Everton job.?Not only that but because Kenwright is still here Moyes has a very good chance of being appointed, mind you Ibet that doesn’t bother you too much.
Paul A Smith
493 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:35:30
You obviously don't read my posts properly then Dave.

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