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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 03/04/2020 at 16:59:03
I can’t understand why he came here initially and was then signed for another season, when according to reports it was common knowledge he was just coming to learn at Everton with no chance of him ever signing full time for the club.

All he did was keep another young lad of getting the chance to play for Everton, why did Moyes, or whoever sanctioned this, allow this to happen?

By the way did Everton receive any payments from Sporting Lisbon for letting this lad learn his trade at Everton?

Peter Neilson
2 Posted 03/04/2020 at 17:36:48
From another interview with Dier it seems that he only ever saw this as a loan and had no intention of taking it further. Maybe that lack of intent at our club prevented him from pushing himself?

“I was at Sporting Lisbon and there were different reasons I needed to leave at that time, Everton were willing to do a loan deal because I didn't want to leave Sporting for good, they were willing to see how things went and they were really good to me,” he reflected.

“I was there for half a season (2010-11) and then a full season (2011-12) and it went really well. I learned a lot there. It was quite an eye-opening experience for me, very different in many ways to Portugal and when I went back to Sporting, I was much better for it.”

John Raftery
3 Posted 03/04/2020 at 17:51:55
Good questions, Dave (#1). Possibly we had a gap at centre-back in the development squad ranks but I suspect more likely is that we did not have £5m to spend on a youth centre-back in the summer of 2012. We ended up buying John Stones for £3m in January 2013. Possibly we already had our eye on him at Barnsley?

Dier was a member of the same England Under-20 squad as Stones, Lundstram, Garbutt, Barkley and Kane. At the time, I thought Kane was poor but he turned out to be the best.

I remember the tackle on Tom Cleverley. It merited a red card.

Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 03/04/2020 at 17:57:35
I only have the vaguest recollection of Dier from that match at Craven Cottage. Oddly, there seemed to be at least as many Blues there as Fulham supporters.
Tamhas Woods
5 Posted 03/04/2020 at 18:26:58
Bubble burst after the 2018 World Cup. Mustafi and Rodwell are way bigger losses in the context of our current situation.
Liam Reilly
6 Posted 03/04/2020 at 18:28:51
I don't see anything special in him as a player to be honest. A bit like when Xavier moved to Liverpool; didn't really care and still don't.

Eddie Dunn
7 Posted 03/04/2020 at 18:43:19
I think Moyes had little choice in the matter, his ownership was complicated and money was in short supply. I do wonder what Moyes would have done with a few bob at his disposal. I suspect a lot better than Martinez and Koeman.

As for Dier, considering he was schooled in the technical environment of Portuguese footy, the lad looks suspiciously like an old fashioned English yard-dog.

I have seen his famous "scissor" tackle several times, the first leg tripping the opponent and the other leg joining it in a snare. A very dangerous move, more akin to MMA than football. An above-average Premier League centre-back but nothing more.

Alderweireld and Vertonghan are superior and Eric is merely a defensive mid or a cover in case Vertonghan needs to go to left-back. He has also had his spats with his coaches (he needed a kick up the arse), perhaps suggestive that this feller was moved up the ranks due to nepotism, and was always expecting quick promotion.

Alan J Thompson
8 Posted 04/04/2020 at 05:35:32
I'm just wondering if this wouldn't have been more relevant on the Fact-Check; How old are the U-23s thread.

Wasn't it rumoured at the time that he and Mustafi thought they should have been given more opportunity and this is the first time I've heard that his loan included him not playing in the 1st XI which would have required/triggered a transfer fee.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
9 Posted 04/04/2020 at 09:58:53
It's a strange one, Alan. Seems there are a number of takes on this but, since it was a while back that he played for us, I thought it might be better as a separate question.

I can recall having the impression that his loan agreement with Sporting Lisbon prevented him from playing for the first team... but that may have only applied to the first spell, when his third-party 'owners' were a factor.

The puzzle for me in the second loan spell was him being 'promoted' to train with the first team by David Moyes, but Moyes himself pretty much saying he wasn't good enough to warrant a chance of actually playing for the first team – which makes it sound like he would have been allowed to but Moyes held him back and that was what grated for Dier.

Who knows? I thought it was of passing interest yesterday... Today? Not so much!

Peter Gorman
10 Posted 04/04/2020 at 10:27:43
Moyes had Jagielka, Heitinga and Distin at centre-half, with Shane Duffy up and coming and Yobo still on the books - why would he even contemplate playing a 17-year old Dier even if he was eligible.
Paul Birmingham
11 Posted 04/04/2020 at 12:24:38
Reflecting it seems in that era our transfer and loan policy was hit and miss. Floored stratedgy and wasting time money and opportunities for other lads at the club. May be David Moyes would be able to clarify ?

As a player I don’t rate him and there were better players at the club at his time at a Goodison, but it seems that he’s been masked and is now an average player whom is on the wane.

Peter Gorman
12 Posted 04/04/2020 at 15:28:38
In THAT era, Paul? surely not, if there was one thing that was way more hit than miss for Moyes it was in the transfer market.

Now since then, a totally different story.

Alan J Thompson
13 Posted 04/04/2020 at 16:12:22
Michael (#9);

Not at all as my face to face conversations seem to be with a Checkout Chick every three days when the milk runs out. I've always appreciated the "Where are they now" articles and news of players out on loan and this falls under those banners.

Much appreciated.

Mark Andersson
14 Posted 04/04/2020 at 23:47:02
Great article, took days to finally load up...

I don't think Moyes would have done any better if he had more money to spend at the time. His record after leaving shows that.

Franny Porter
15 Posted 08/04/2020 at 09:17:24
Danny Williamson would be a good one.

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