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1 Posted 27/07/2020 at 04:09:52
Highlights were Branthwaite and Michael Keane. Moise looked sharp early on a was in the right place to take the goal. Sigurdsson showed sometimes but also looked confused, particularly in the second half.
Let's hope we can shelve the players we want to shelve within the next couple of months and bring in the ones Carlo wants.
2 Posted 27/07/2020 at 07:58:49
Now, we are the team that rolls over. The team who haven't a clue. A disgraceful indictment to all associated with the club.
3 Posted 27/07/2020 at 08:05:37
That said it was a fairly typical display and without a jeering crowd to goad Everton into life, the season petered out with a whimper.
I'm sure Ancelotti knows what's needed, whether the resources will be available or more likely whether such players will want to come to Everton remains to be seen. If nothing changes, I fear that next season will be similarly disappointing.
4 Posted 27/07/2020 at 08:24:14
A couple of skillful players brought in so that Kean and Richalson can get the type of midfield we need for them to show their skill. Then we can win the Premier League and maybe even beat the RS for a celebration.
5 Posted 27/07/2020 at 08:57:34
I previously stated that we need at least six new players. The only ones I would keep are: Digne, Holgate, Gomes, Richarlison and Gordon.
If we do not bring in more quality players who want to play for the club, I fear for next season... depressing!
6 Posted 27/07/2020 at 09:11:11
Ancelotti's task has been to extract what he can from a bunch of experienced but average talents, augmented by Richarlison and a few of the younger players who have broken into the team. Bearing in mind we collected only 14 points from the first 15 matches under Silva, there has been a significant improvement under the new manager who has gathered 30 points from his 20 games in charge. Over a full season, that would equate to 57 points which would have taken us to 8th in the table.
Brands has previously indicated there will only be a small handful of new arrivals in this window. Plainly two of those will be a keeper and a central midfielder.
Presumably, Kenny will return from his loan period to cover the right-back slot but we now also need cover for Digne. Ideally we would add strength, especially goals, in the wide attacking positions but obviously there is no point in bringing in another expensive player unless the club is sure he is an upgrade on what we already have; namely Walcott, Bernard, Iwobi and Gordon.
Any thoughts of a radical transformation of the squad can be cast aside. Ancelotti will see a few new bodies arrive but by and large he will have to work with what he already has. Realistically we have a chance next season of returning to 7th or 8th but no higher.
7 Posted 27/07/2020 at 09:19:58
The midfield isn't productive enough generally and I'm interested to see if Gomes can come back after he's had a long rest or whether he is on the scrap heap now too.
I think Davies has shown glimpses that he's a baby to remain when the toxic bathwater around him is long gone, maybe after a confidence building year-long loan.
Derek Knox won't mind me pointing out Josh King's man of the match performance, including a goal and an assist, and my restating that he and Calum Wilson would be powerful reinforcements in areas where we are lightweight however the priority obviously has to be the midfield.
I hope Don Carlo can solve this conundrum but, based on his attempts so far, I am concerned he cannot. Of all the problems on a football pitch, the lack of a midfield should be one the tactician can most easily overcome.
Let's hope that, while he has been forced to rely on the loyalty of a few ageing campaigners to meet his responsibilities this season, he remains objective enough to make some cold, calculated moves in the close season based on hard stats and facts, chief among which should be age and injury record.
8 Posted 27/07/2020 at 09:24:57
I accept that Gana was probably promised a transfer to Paris and Kurt went back to Chelsea after his loan spell but the ins were a major disappointment, pure bad signings and an unfortunate series of injuries.
We are definitely a worse team now then at the end of last season.
9 Posted 27/07/2020 at 09:31:03
A very interesting statement. What has he said and to whom?
I interpret this as he has told 3 or 4 players that they are not part of his plans. Sidibie is the obvious one as he is on loan, Besic, Bolaise, Sandro obvious too but who else has he told to find a new club because they are not in his plans?
Carlo could be now getting serious and wielding the axe on players who he has seen are well below the standards he requires. I suspect there are others he wants out Sigurdsson, Walcott, Pickford, Bernard, Delph, maybe Mina due to his unreliability, but has to be a bit more nuanced with their transfers and try to get the best fee possible.
I hope Mr Brands hasn't booked any holidays yet. He can go to Barbados or wherever on October 6th, the day after the transfer window ends.
10 Posted 27/07/2020 at 09:59:10
11 Posted 27/07/2020 at 10:03:02
As I mentioned on another thread last week, I would like to see the following moved on:
Pickford (if we can get a decent fee)
Get in a cheap, solid, no-frills goalkeeper - Forster, Romero, etc types
2-3 high energy, fast athletic, no-nonsense mid-fielders - any among the names we have been linked with or proposed by our in-house experts - HÃ¸jbjerg, Buendia, Luiz, Allan, McKennie, etc
Right-back - either on loan (with an option to buy) or a ready to play player like Aarons from Norwich
Centre-back on loan - to cover injuries
Forward - someone like Troy Deeney - leader, experienced, bully defenders
We have some good players in our squad - but most of them are lacking confidence. Once they see a better, more dynamic set of players around them, and with Carlo's expert guidance, they will flourish.
12 Posted 27/07/2020 at 10:03:54
14 Posted 27/07/2020 at 10:23:28
15 Posted 27/07/2020 at 10:33:41
16 Posted 27/07/2020 at 10:55:11
Alas we cannot rise above mediocrity by buying lots of players who are just a bit better than the present lot.
Buying lots of players unsettles team dynamics. So we need a bit of restraint to improve a fairly rotten morale.
We should also buy only players who are champions league quality. Otherwise our first 11 is always inferior.
Since Neymar et al are not likely to head our way, we have to develop potential. 18- to 22-year-olds with the quality to play Champions League.
Buendia and his ilk will improve us a bit. But he's a fairly marginal gain on Iwobi and would be expensive too.
It would be better to persist with Iwobi while we groom a young world class talent like, say, Veron or Hlozek. That is what Dortmund would do.
17 Posted 27/07/2020 at 11:04:32
The game summed up our season. With the exception of Baines when he came on, and Branthwaite, all of our players looked like Bambi on ice. Couldn't control the ball, giving possession away too often.
I really, really wanted Pickford to succeed but, let's face it, he's not England No 1 anymore. Pope is the better keeper. Too many mistakes from Jordan and the final goal I think will be the nail in the coffin.
Same can be said for Sigurdsson. He can show flashes of genius but is not consistent enough. Carlo and Marcel need to clear out the deadwood and bring players in with passion.
Branthwaite is an interesting one. In the 3 or 4 games he's featured in, he looks so composed and I hope he gets plenty of game time next season. Makes me wonder if a central defender is still a priority.
We haven't seen anything of Gbamin to judge whether he's going to be anywhere near as good as Gueye. If there was an opportunity to bring Gueye back I'd take it.
Priority next season has to be goalkeeper, a 20+ goal-a-season striker, right-back, a good backup left-back to replace Leighton, and some wingers. I think we need to cut our losses on Kean. It's not working out and, for me, the jury is out on Calvert-Lewin.
I'm sad that Bournemouth went down, but glad to see the back of King and Stanislas who always seem to score against us for fun. I'd take King if he was available.
18 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:04:03
The two players I absolutely never want to see again are Iwobi and Delph. Both will have to be loaned out as neither will attract purchasers.
19 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:07:25
Top four or five teams would've put Bournemouth away with little fuss given home advantage, so this result and performance shows us where we are with this squad.
No last-minute panic buys, and please don't think signing Zaha will bring about a resurgence. I hope that there are no panic buys as the new season will of started and the transfer window will still be open. Get our business done early, ins and outs or I fear another bunch of misfits scratching around, lacking ideas, confidence and results.
20 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:15:45
Is there any guarantee that someone like Pope won't make an error now and again??
Hardly surprising that Pickford's confidence may be affected after having this poor bunch in front of him all season.
Remember that Everton were second best by a mile right from the whistle and the stupid move by Richarlison gave the penalty away giving Bournemouth even greater confidence.
Keepers always get blamed when things go wrong but they are only human. By the way, I have never been a keeper.
21 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:26:58
I appreciate what your saying and every keeper is going to make the odd mistake which is usually costly hence they are under the spotlight when they do 2/3 in a space of a few game but Pickford has been poor for about 3 seasons and he needs to be moved on.
22 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:28:57
23 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:30:18
Pickford actually had a very good game until his error for the third goal. Unfortunately, since the restart his errors have become more frequent and he has been lucky not to have conceded more goals.
I would like to think that in a much improved (Everton) team he could go on to become a great goalkeeper, as new midfielders are a priority in the transfer window, but is he really capable of applying himself?
24 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:44:15
I said exactly the same thing about De Gea and Allison yesterday regarding mistakes they've made, very recently in fact, which have led to goals being conceded, and in Man Utd's case, their place in the FA Cup. Every goalkeeper will make mistakes, they are, as you rightly say, only human.
Regarding Nick Pope, if you can think back to when Burnley played at Man City not long after the restart, in my opinion, he made two mistakes which led to goals. He tried to stop two shots on goal with his feet, rather than trying to use his hands.
Both shots went across his body, so it was not like he was wrong-footed or the shots were deflected and he had no alternative but to use his feet. I'm not saying he would have saved either shot by diving, but I just thought at the time he made the wrong decision in trying to save them.
25 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:49:42
Sigurdsson's going nowhere either, because of his massive wages, and Delph, another disaster, has 2 years left on his contract @㿼k a week, going nowhere either, and none of them good enough to wear the jersey.
We need to bring in 2 top defensive midfielders, one as back up, because we won't see Gbamin play again, until next year. Hopefully Gordon, Kenn,y Calvert-Lewin, Kean and Branthwaite will save us buying, in those areas, but we need a right-winger instead of Walcott.
26 Posted 27/07/2020 at 13:00:23
Bernard may leave. Walcott will probably see out his contract. Either way, likely to see a fair bit of Iwobi next season. In a 4-3-3 similar situation but with Iwobi playing more centrally.
It does not delight me. I'm just being realistic.
27 Posted 27/07/2020 at 13:10:49
28 Posted 27/07/2020 at 13:40:35
Over this period, there's been no sign that Ancelotti can stir the players he inherited, and that leaves the crowd to do the job.
29 Posted 27/07/2020 at 13:49:22
Walcott is the only winger we have, and he's past his sell-by date, Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard are not wingers, so we're trying to put square pegs in round holes, which doesn't work.
30 Posted 27/07/2020 at 13:57:09
One off can be accepted. A couple of cock-ups same. But he has consistently made critical errors this season, too many to not be under serious scrutiny. His place was safe as there was no real alternative.
In fairness, he can also point a finger at the defenders as for the third goal Stanislas waltzed through with little resistance. But then he didn't do his job either, and not for the first time
31 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:10:18
And I would look at it from a different perspective than Tom #20, if I had Pickford behind me who has a far better view of the dangers approaching. I would be a nervous wreck as I do not know if he will come a claim a corner, pass it to me in a tight situation or hoof it out over the sideline.
Going back to his first season when he clattered into Ashley Williams, he showed how erratic he was and despite all the "coaching" he has not improved. Unfortunately, everybody else sees his limitations also so we are stuck with him but we need a calming influence between the post and alas Jordan will never be that.
32 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:24:06
33 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:59:06
34 Posted 27/07/2020 at 15:16:26
I totally agree with you.
Top goalkeepers make the penalty area their own and organize and cajole defenders into position.
Pickford cant even organize a wall for a free kick and every time a cross comes into the box he is a nervous wreck and refuses to go for the ball, standing rooted to his line.
He may have brought off some showstopping saves and his ditribution used to be a plus but that is now very wayward too.
I just wonder if he is doing a Gazza with his lifestyle and celebrity status.
35 Posted 27/07/2020 at 15:18:49
If they want to play they make themselves pickable (is that even a word?) or go!!!!!
36 Posted 27/07/2020 at 15:27:13
We clearly cannot in 7 weeks clear the decks and start again. So it strikes me the players we buy have to complement, by that I mean enhance, the better players we have in the side.
For example, I'm no fan of Gomes because he's one dimensional, needing legs around to service him the ball. He's horribly exposed without the ball. They used to say in cricket a test player needed to be able to do 2 or 3 disciplines or they weren't worth picking.
We have too many one-trick ponies who only work well when everything around them is suited to their needs. Outside of this ideal situation they flat out fail.
Keane, Sigurdsson & Gomes are those guys.
So we need people that can be decent on their own right but improve these players, because sadly all three will be first-teamers next season.
37 Posted 27/07/2020 at 16:18:24
38 Posted 27/07/2020 at 17:24:12
Carlo will be quietly confident of grinding out some dreadful wins as the transition goes on.
There might be some signs of free-flowing football next season â€“ but it'll take a couple of transfer windows to sort things out.
39 Posted 27/07/2020 at 17:48:14
People talk about managers improving/not improving players, but the first steps have always got to be taken by the players, they're the only ones that can really change how they play.
40 Posted 27/07/2020 at 18:13:29
41 Posted 27/07/2020 at 18:21:45
Also Delph signed a 2-year contract with an option of a 3rd year, we won't get a fee for him so loaning him out for the last year to a newly promoted club could also be a winner. Bolasie could be a wild card, squad player who has speed similar to Oumar Niasse â€“ nuisance factor for teh last 20 minutes. Alternatively, use him as part of a package to get Zaha... throw in Tosun and 㿊M. Easy this isn't it??
42 Posted 27/07/2020 at 18:28:42
He strikes me as a nice player, another one who needs an edge and to learn how to apply controlled aggression. Maybe it just isn't in him? But, as Robert said, this season has been a disjointed joke, he still has a chance to prove he can do it.
43 Posted 27/07/2020 at 18:45:36
I will even go as far as saying that, if we don't get rid he could well contribute to us going don next season. I also do believe that Ancelotti agrees it's me (sic) and will address the problem.
I would also forget about Marquis signing, just buy hungry, fiercely competitive players with engines who have the basic passing skills, and who hurt (like we do) when we lose.
44 Posted 27/07/2020 at 19:42:29
The silver lining. Sheff Utd, Burnley etc have good managers. They have vastly inferior players. We now have a good manager. Don't be too downhearted at what Pickford, Keane, Mina, Davies, Delph, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Walcott etc might achieve in a well structured team with a few extra stars. Just brace yourselves that it might not be pretty.
45 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:11:57
46 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:14:33
At the time I could not understand why he was subbed. Prior to being subbed, Ancelotti, when Kean was near the touchline, made the point of going over too him. I thought he was encouraging him, but now know Ancelotti was doing him the courtesy of letting him know that he was going to be subbed.
In my opinion, Ancelotti subbed Kean so as the see how the attack would perform. He got his answer. The attack lost shape and effectiveness and Calvert Lewin was two yards short of where Kean would have been had he stayed on.
47 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:23:24
Iwobi is crap. He is going to be 25 before the end of next season so it's not like he's just some kid breaking through. We paid a massive amount of money for him and after approx 125 league games he averages a goal every 10 games and an assist every 8 games.
48 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:32:03
Iwobi is a dribbler and often wants to drift inside, getting the ball in his own half, just runs into the rocks and coughs the ball up. Bernard relies on holding the ball and feeding runners because he hasn't the pace to beat players. He gets zero support other than Digne.
How often do we see them in the final third? Both need the ball; without it they offer little. When the team spends 20 passes around the back and into midfield, they are starved and wither, they and others who are asked to do this job are frequently the ones substituted first. Why? Because they are not in the game. Until that changes and we play higher up the field the plethora of â€˜wingers' we have will look as bad as they've been.
I have a lot of sympathy for them because the tactics hurt this type of player. Higher up the pitch!
49 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:44:04
Just go back the 12-13 Goodison derby. Mirallas was on the halfway line then went past 6/7 players at once and nearly forced an own goal. In a Merseyside derby too where we have underperformed for years. That's what you call a good dribbler.
Iwobi is an atrocious player and should be sold for anything over ٣ million. I was infuriated when we signed him and even more so now. Not his fault, of course, it's our clubs.
50 Posted 27/07/2020 at 22:54:01
Some attribute the absence of home fans as a cause of our limp end to the season.
Would-be season ticket holders could be in for a frustrating wait to return to the ground judging by a senior government adviser today:
51 Posted 27/07/2020 at 00:03:25
Unless Schalke offer a big chunk (㾻M) for Kenny, start him next season with Coleman as cover. If he goes, then Dalot on loan with a buy option looks smart.
Branthwaite shows huge promise on limited viewings. Good size, quick, good on the ball, composed. Set-piece defending needs work as he's been beaten twice in 2 games but should be providing cover next season. We need a starting calibre centre-back alongside Holgate as Mina is a bust and Keane too slow.
Kean showed a lot yesterday, enough to give me hope that Ancellotti will get him going. Calvert-Lewin will continue to improve, 15 league goals and better all-around play.
Walcott isn't the answer on the right but has scored and assisted last 2 games and has good character. I'd keep him unless we get an offer (unlikely) and ship out Iwobi who offers nothing.
Bernard seems not favoured by Carlo, which is a shame but I can see him leaving on loan. I like Gordon, though he played better on the left than the right but we need starters on both flanks.
Centre-midfield is a disaster. Gomes needs relieving of his defensive duties because he has no instincts and, when playing deep, lacks pace to get forward. Sigurdsson has been awful all season and looks devoid of confidence. Davies has gone backwards as our midfield has collapsed in effectiveness. Gbamin, if he ever plays for us, that's a bonus, Delph needs to be offloaded, probably on loan.
We need legs and energy in midfield (not DoucourÃ© though, ungainly and overrated). If we only bring one in, they have to have an impeccable fitness record. Some creativity would be useful also.
Tough job for our manager putting together an effective unit for the new season. We somehow have to bring in 4-5 starting calibre players and will need shrewd manoeuvring in the market.
52 Posted 27/07/2020 at 00:09:43
Even in his later Everton career, I remember Mirallas being the best player on the park for an hour at Old Trafford before Koeman hauled him off, Mirallas starred too in the 4-0 pasting of Manchester City. Lukaku was helped too by having Mirallas alongside him.
Mirallas is hated on ToffeeWeb for striking a penalty against the post against West Brom when it should have been Bainesy taking it. I prefer to look at the big picture, his goals and assists.
One season, Mirallas outscored Lukaku when you strip out Rom's penalty goals and adjust things for time and minutes played and people still weren't happy!
Mirallas was a one-in-three / one-in-four guy in his first three seasons with us and then we went and paid nearly 㿊M for one-in-ten Bolasie! We are a joke. I would happily take a young Mirallas back any day of the week.
53 Posted 28/07/2020 at 00:55:07
If we are after a centre-back, Zouma. Been here, played well and defensively covered by his pace. Go 3 centre-backs: Zouma, Holgate and Keane or Mina rotating.
Digne is a wingback. Add Kenny and Coleman in alternate games. Allan, Gomes with Gbamin or a quality central defensive midfielder. Richarlison and Kean or Calvert-Lewin alternating.
I love Gylfi Sigurdsson but he doesn't fit what we need now. Offload Pickford or bring in a top Keeper. Even go big for Donnarumma.
It's going to be a long 7 weeks... probably have a different view tomorrow, even try Bernard in the ACM in front of Gomes and Allan... It's great this fantasy football lark.
54 Posted 28/07/2020 at 07:56:46
I hope to be pleasantly surprised by Carlo, not in some horrible Peter Johnson way, but three good acquisitions would generate momentum and then good things can happen. Quality in goal, Cm and a winger and the tide changes.
Optimism: may it once be justified.
55 Posted 28/07/2020 at 08:34:33
Usually, week after week, we see posts from fans who have been at the games and those who have had to rely on subscription broadcasts or erratic streaming. The two sets often have quite differing views of the game â€“ the one set being able to watch players' off-the-ball movement, see actual perception of space (it's only when you watch live football that you realise how little space and time players often have on the ball, which does provide more appreciation of the skill of these guys playing at this level), and the other set (myself included) who watch more 'broadcast' than live matches which is one reason I do not tend to post my opinion too often post games - particularly if it has been abject. On occasion, the TV viewers will see the game in a better light, on other occasions, less favourably.
Since the return to football, obviously we have all been reliant on what we can see provided by TV coverage and what the producers want us to see, think we want to see, or hear from some moronic commentator or pundit which can make it hard to be as objective about the game compared to actually being there.
If you're at the game, you can see what's going on on the touchline, see what's going on at opposite ends of the ground from where the action is etc, and this observation is what adds, in addition to the obvious, to the appeal of actually attending.
Jerome commented above about Ancelotti having a word with Moise Kean prior to the sub and formed his own opinion about the reasoning. I liked that post, being optimistic about the lad's potential but watching on Sky Golf did not notice that happening. I'm sure more people would have seen that and commented had they been there.
My subjective view is that the guys attending the games tend to have a more measured opinion, for better or worse, of individual performances. We can all see on TV, for example, the ball bouncing off Calvert-Lewin or his combative performance when being delivered long balls from Pickford, and criticise/congratulate accordingly, but we cannot see what he is actually doing the rest of the time or how Pickford might be behaving when unchallenged or out of camera shot.
I know that there has been plenty to critisise, but I do think that, because of all this, we are all being even more critical than usual. I am missing the insights and debate from the seasoned and knowledgeable match goers (you know who you are) and clearly Ancelotti has a mountain to climb but what we have seen (certainly in the fishtank in my front room) are some real signs that we have a squad which can metamorphise with a couple or three shrewd signings into serious contenders for trophies and/or European competition.
We have a very good and experienced manager. I am an eternal optimist and I remain encouraged that, the year before winning the championship, Leicester were, on the face of it, in a hell of a worse situation than we are now.
It's been done once â€“ can we do it again?
56 Posted 28/07/2020 at 14:08:34
57 Posted 28/07/2020 at 21:32:12
I don't understand how Mirallas missing the penalty in a league game (in a season which we are atrocious) is more hated upon than Lukaku missing a penalty in the FA Cup Semi final when Baines was on the pitch. We would've played Palace in the final too.
Also, I still despise Martinez for dropping Mirallas for Cleverley on the left just because he was his Wigan boy. Same with Kone A and Lennon too.
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