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Mick O’Malley
1 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:04
Breaking news on TalkSport and we are still talking to Rafa, please no I couldn’t watch another season of dross football
Matthew Williams
2 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:38:51
Am I hearing that this negative prick is still in the running, even now!

Unreal...

Dennis Stevens
3 Posted 15/06/2021 at 13:43:52
I'm still hoping it's a rumour deliberately circulated so that whoever is appointed comes as a great relief that it's not Benitez, Matthew.
Matthew Williams
4 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:04:08
I just hope you're right, Dennis, probably more newspaper bollocks but, with our useless board, you can never be 💯% sure!.

This would be a nightmare appointment that would drive a massive wedge through our entire fan base and make our club a laughing stock that we might never recover from – as well as ensuring our long trophy drought continues for years to come.

I am dreading this season already.

Anthony Murphy
5 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:11:42
Maybe Moshiri has asked his mate Jim White at TalkSport to rattle NES and get him to cave in to his demands by mentioning Rafa's still in the mix. Or maybe Rafa wants it more and is just coming across as the more impressive candidate?

I'm going for a lie down...

Kevin Molloy
6 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:15:49
I can't believe Rafa would be happy to play the role of Farhad's gimp Anthony, to be wheeled out when needed and then stowed away again. He's got his pride dammit.
Kevin Molloy
7 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:21:14
I clicked on the link for ToffeeWeb, and what was the vast face which pixellated into view?

It's time to bring a blue home.

Will Mabon
8 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:22:03
Again, just - NO.

It's said the club has some old-fashioned traits that do not serve us best. Separation from and dismissal of things Liverpool are not among them. I don't care if he's the best candidate - no RedShite. And he's nowhere near the best candidate.

Jim Harrison
9 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:27:23
Nuno's back room staff requirements causing an issue?
Barry Shearer
10 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:17
Wow. I had a feeling something wasn't right with Nuno. We know Rafa has his fans in the boardroom. As a True Blue, I would support him as long as there is desire and his heart is in it. I will expect more than mediocrity and mid table. Given his past, he would need to deliver silverware or at a minimum, European football and progress in that tournament.
Matthew Williams
11 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:32:29
A truly horrific prospect!.
Alan Johnson
12 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:15
It's getting worse, a laughing stock of a club. Benitez, god we are scraping the barrel now😡
Mark Ryan
13 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:39:43
I'd have been okay with NES but I've nailed my colours to the mast before where Benitez is concerned. I don't subscribe to the hate brigades rationale. "He called me a name and therefore I'm not his friend".
I think his association ( previous ) to LFC is largely irrelevant unless you have a blinkered view on life in general. This is a business and we need to hire someone.
No he doesn't have an Everton Tattoo, nor has he played for us blah blah blah. He is someone to steady the ship, someone capable and we should have gone for him, as I've said before, years ago. It is not too late, get him in, he knows the Premier League. He understands what Football means to us and he is his own man.
I'll support him if he's appointed, no question. I'll get my tin hat on but we need to move forward and get him in
Joe O'Brien
14 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:44:52
Ohhhh God please no. What has he done worth noting in the last 10 years.. very very little.
I'm getting tired of this now tbh.. just appoint Nuno.
Dave Lynch
15 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:04
No one moaned when we signed Burrows, Albett or Beardsley... well I suppose some did but they gave all for us.
If its the Fat Waiter...it is what it is.

Footy is a funny old game as someone once said.

He is very experienced and has won more trophies than any of the other candidates and he may well be a good fit.

Nicholas Ryan
16 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:45:31
Benitez's record speaks for itself including 2 La Liga titles, when Barca and Real were in their pomp. Has he gone downhill since then? Maybe. Is he a spent force? Possibly. Does his previous Anfield tenure disqualify him? Not in my book, if he's otherwise a good candidate. As to his remarks, wouldn't you want your manager to be 'dishing it out' to rival clubs?

I have had a very controversial thought for a number of years, which I have been loath to express, for obvious reasons. However, now may be the time. Nothing causes so much anger and hurt for Evertonians, as the Benitez 'small club' remark, and the Moyes 'knife to a gunfight' quote.

Could it just possibly be; that those 2 remarks cause so much pain and anger, because at the time they were said, they were true?

Well, I'd better resign from TW before the tsunami of anger engulfs me!

David Pearl
17 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:49:25
Oh FFS Just appoint Duncan already.
Andrew Ellams
18 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:50:33
I don't care that he's managed across the park, I don't care about the small club remark. My concern is that he's yesterday's man again. Dinosaur football that makes it easy for the opposition to take the game to us.

No thanks.

Pete Clarke
19 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:51:18
So what success did he get in China, apart from a few more reddies he didn't need?

If this is true, then Moshiri needs to sell up and fuck off.

Jonathan Tasker
20 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:54:52
Wouldn't surprise me with potential managers whether the sticking point is Duncan Ferguson. No serious manager is going to manage at a club where the club insist on the incumbent having to include their choice ie Ferguson on the coaching staff.

I 100 % guarantee that Ferguson will be foisted onto the new manager. But I'll be delighted to be wrong

Mike Keating
21 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:55:10
Amongst all the gossip around possible returnees to the Premier League (Martinez, Benitez, Pellegrini, Pochettino), there has been no mention of Mancini.

Is there a reason for this?

Will Mabon
22 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:57:10
Dave, there had been few inter-club movements before those you mentioned (McMahon too in that era), and they caused much uproar at the time. Yes, it's happened but on no big scale. It's pretty unpalatable to most. No player that I remember dismissively called us a small club either.
Bill Hawker
23 Posted 15/06/2021 at 14:58:07
I guess I'm in a very small minority who'd be ok with Benitez vs. some of the other names bandied about. My guess is that he'd do his very best to win over Everton supporters. How would he do that? By winning, pure and simple. He'd also win us over by bringing in some more quality players. We could do worse.
Dave Williams
24 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:00:00
Mancini or Conte!

Watch this space – I hope!

James O'Connell
25 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:04:52
Everton are still talking to lots of candidates, I don't think this will happen unless Mr Moshiri has been served the wrong shrooms again for breakfast.

Still time for a few surprises, like seeing who is available after the euros.

Failing that I think Graham Potter would be the best of the 'rising stars' if we can't get a Mancini.

Mark Ryan
26 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:08:40
It's abundantly clear that the names we all conjured with weeks back are not coming. The likes of Pochettino, Conte, Simeone et al are not coming.
We need an appointment because we need to start recruiting and so, if appointed, we need to start supporting the man.
If he gets the job then I'm with Bill and to a degree I agree with those saying "what has he done recently ? " but I think this is a massive opportunity for him, probably the biggest he'll get and I'm certain he'll want to enhance his reputation and I think he'll be a good fit if we get behind him. He's capable and will understand what we need moving forward
Ray Carvin
27 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:04
This would be the worst possible appointment, a negative manager, years past his last success, merely a convenient payday for him. Zero affinity with the fans.

I would seriously consider jibbing going if he was in post.

Jamie Crowley
28 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:09:23
Jesus no.

Can we please have some pride?

Hiring this man who's managed them and also insulted us publicly would be an all time low.

We'd go from historical, respected Club that does things right, to a bunch of whores.

No fucking way! Fuck this guy off immediately. Even talking to him smacks of filthiness and prostitution.

Jay Evans
29 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:15:14
Please God no.

Please.

God.

No.

Robert Tressell
30 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:18:38
Benitez would not be on the list for any quality Premier League job. Maybe Palace. Maybe West Brom. Maybe a team in the Middle East or some random international team like Morocco.

It would be embarrassing to hire him.

Dave McDowell
31 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:19:37
Jonathan #22, I agree but for non footballing reasons.

I’m sure most incoming managers will believe (or be told) Dunc is “Bill’s boy”.

In any management situation if you have a subordinate member of your team with unfettered access to senior management it creates trust issues in the chain of command.

Once things start going sideways then the “spy in the camp” issue becomes even more malignant.

Brian Williams
32 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:20:35
If Ancelotti was deemed "past it" and as it turns out he certainly appeared to be, does the same not apply to Benitez?
His best days are well behind him now.
And call me parochial, tribal, even bitter but I DO NOT want an ex redshite manager thankyou very much.
In fact if he's employed I think I'll apply to get my money back on my season ticket and say "fuck it."
Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:23:36
Couldn't care less about his RS tenure or the infamous comment. He's just a crap manager.
Total flop in two seasons in China.
Total flop at Barcodes.
Zonal marking on corners.
Those ridiculous jowls.
Forget it. No.

Mike #23, yes, there's a reason. Mancini is happy as a clam managing Italy, and they're ecstatic with him. 74% winning percentage and a ridiculous 28 straight games undefeated, 23 wins and 5 draws, over the past three years. Right now they're on a streak of nine straight clean sheets with a goal ratio of 28-0. So no, he's not leaving his own national team machine right before the World Cup to come to Everton.

Dave #26, no, it won't be Conte either.

Andy Crooks
34 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:24:40
Just backed Eddie Howe @ 14/1.
Gerard McKean
35 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:14
I always felt slightly guilty as a kid that I liked the charismatic and down-to-earth Bill Shankly more than the mannered Harry Catterick. Shankly, by the end of his life, openly admitted that he felt more affinity with Everton FC than with Liverpool FC and the hypothetical question would be: if he'd said that 10 years earlier, would we have welcomed him as manager? With open arms!

It's not about where a person has worked previously. It's all about being the right person at the right time at the right club. There was a time when Benitez ticked the boxes, but I fear no longer. Like Carlo, I suspect the real hunger just is no longer there.

I keep on coming back to the two guys called Philip I've mentioned before: Cocu is a thinking coach who works well with a DoF and the fact that it's Brands with whom he had a productive relationship at PSV is an added bonus. Lahm with Rangnick to mentor him would be my wild card. If and when this fellow goes into coaching he will be as innovative as the likes of Cruyff and Guardiola. Get him now before someone else does?

Jamie Crowley
36 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:25:30
I'll say this, too.

I want Nuno. I've made that clear on other posts.

I read above in one of the posts (Mike Keating 23) that there's some names being thrown around returning to the Premier League.

I'd take Roberto Martinez back in a second. We fucking ran that guy out of town too quickly. He tried to play good football, he was an extremely amicable man who represented Everton wonderfully, and in my opinion things unravelled when Rom was on his way out.

It was the best football played by an Everton team that I personally have witnessed (15 years now).

I don't give a flying fuck if we leak 3 goals a game. Bring back excitement and entertaining football. Try to win 4-3. My soul has been starved for an Everton that is a joy to watch.

Roberto in a New York minute for me.

Won't happen, but there, I said it.

And for anyone who castigates the above, yet actually wants Rafa here?

Please just shut the fuck up.

Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:26:07
Brian,

Funny thing is people were citing Ancelotti's "busted flush" moment as his tenure at Bayern (based on debunked rumors about training) even though he won the double. By comparison, Benitez got relegated with Newcastle then spent three years presiding over the Harlem globetrotters in China. If Carlo was a "busted flush" I'd suggest Benitez is something worse, perhaps a cracked pot, or a rotting outhouse.

I also object to the notion that Carragher and Co can dictate to us to take on their failed boss as some sort of charity case. We've got an abundance of our own charity cases, we don't need one of theirs coming along and being serenaded by the Kop during the derby.

If he comes, I will turn into a complete hypocrite and follow Darren's path in opposition from Day One. I'd sooner have no-one and frankly the way the team play it often appears there is no management anyway so we could save a few quid.

Neil Cremin
38 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:06
Jonathan,
I totally agree. I like Duncan and if appointed would be willing to give him a chance although I agree that he should try and prove himself at another club, eg, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. If you were going in to manage a new club which you know has organisation and motivation problems, would you take the chance that your authority be possibly undermined by someone is probably looking for your jobs and who may benefit from your demise.
Andy Crooks
39 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:27:08
Mike, it cannot be Benitez. I will do whatever is necessary to prevent that!
Ian Pilkington
40 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:28:09
I disliked Benitez as much as anyone else when he was at LFC, but that’s a long time ago. After seeing the list of some of the other “candidates” ie Moyes, Potter, Howe etc I am willing to give him my support.

I am not at all convinced that Nuno is the answer. His insistence on his complete entourage joining him suggests a worrying level of intransigence.

The idea of Big Dunc becoming manager is a recipe for disaster. He simply doesn’t have enough experience to take the job permanently. He has not even been an actual assistant manager; his position under Ancelotti was “joint assistant” with Ancelotti’s son (draw your own conclusions), whilst Silva’s assistant manager at the time of his sacking was Boa Morte.

Colin Harvey was a genuine no 2 to HK and is rightly credited for his achievement in helping Howard to turn a failing team into the best in Europe, but sadly Colin was not a success once he stepped up as manager.
The days of an Evertonian in charge are long gone.

Jerome Shields
41 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:08
Jim#9

A very relevant question.

Nuno's Backroom team:

Rui Pedro Silva (assistant)
Ian Cathro (first-team coach)
Julio Figueroa (first-team coach)
Rui Barbosa (goalkeeper coach)
Antonio Dias (fitness coach)
Joao Lapa (rehab coach)

I don't see this is any bigger than Ancelotti's but Nuno could be insisting on changes in positions, more accountability and immediate command. This was the mistake that Ancelotti made, not insisting on similar. Ancelotti was, as Lyndon said 'laissez-faire' in his management of players, whilst Nuno, if reports are correct, is more disciplined, will insist his orders are carried out, and he will want a backroom team that is consistently the same in dealing with players.

I think Benitez would be favoured by Bill Kenwright. Benitez will say anything they want to hear to get the job. And will not make the mistake of asking for a big transfer pot, like he did at Juve. I bet that Moshiri and mates are working hard to get a big name alternative. That is if the Nuno situation is true.

I thought that Nuno was a good compromise candidate between the two camps, but it was originally reported that Everton were looking for a big name candidate that wasn't going to insist on radical change at the club.

I now want Nuno because he appears to know that radical change is a must from the start. This would be a real stumbling block at good old status quo Everton.

Brian Williams
42 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:29:57
Andy, you shouldn't have said that mate.


I live just down the road from him and you've given me ideas!

Shane Corcoran
43 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:30:52
Did Benitez get relegated with Newcastle?

And Carragher is dictating?

Kieran Kinsella
44 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:21
Andy 42

I just Fedexed a parcel to you with your assignment. Read it carefully as it will self destruct in 10 seconds.

Jay Hughes
45 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:31:30
Is it possible the club is dragging it's feet because the incoming manager is currently employed in the Euros?

Maybe Mancini? The self-delusional Martinez? Or for a proper laugh, our Gaz when the FA sack him? Let's face it, we're already a laughing stock.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:34:39
Shane 46

Yes he did.

Ian Pilkington
47 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:35:32
The Echo, via Football Insider, has just reported that Conte has been approached. My choice as soon as Ancelotti resigned.
Gavin Johnson
48 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:37:12
Some people were asking whether Carlo was declining. The jury was out on that, but I don't think there's any doubt about that with Rafa. He's still a very good manager but he's not won anything since the UEFA cup with Chelsea in 2014 and he will be completely divisive which isn't good for a club who's have had 5 managers in as many years.
Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:38:06
Ian,

Based on the track record, I get the impression that "Football Insider" is a 12-year-old kid basing his claims on his own experience from Championship Manager

Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:26
Jamie #39, Roberto is managing the #1 national side in the world 17 months before the World Cup. And his side gig is giggling with charming Kate Abdo in the studio. He's not gonna give that up even for Carlo's house in Crosby. So no, he's not coming.

Andy #42, I think in this case some sort of terrorist action might be justified. Check with Jamie for weapons. He's got extras.

Ian #50, Conte is 51, in the prime of his career. He's been one of the world's highest-paid managers for a decade. His last four jobs were Juventus, Italy, Chelsea and Inter. He's got his pick of jobs anywhere in the world.

Jay Harris
51 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:39:42
For those promoting Benitez, bear in mind his last success was in 2005 and since then he has a very poor record.

For those comparing him with Carlo, also please bear in mind Carlo's win percentage at Everton was up there with the most successful managers we have had.

Personally, I would like Galtier but it is being reported he was discounted because he doesn't speak English, which I am surprised at.

Conte would be a one-season dream but, hey, in these days of short-termism, let's go for it.

The board need to realise with this squad there is no miracle cure and we will need to back the manager 100%.

If Nuno is holding out because he doesn't want Dunc forced on him, then kudos to the man.

David Pearl
52 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:42:15
Jamie @39,

I did also like Martinez and believe we hounded him out. However Lukaku was still here for Koeman. The reason l would give is that he wasn't given the money. Especially in defence, where we were too slow in replacing an ageing backline. Distin hit a brick wall. It was a fun first season with him and a young core of players that unfortunately broke away.

Glad we are being linked to players, meaning perhaps Brands might want a manager to adapt a certain style that suits the squad? Well, we can only hope...

Barry Hesketh
53 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:44:38
I think the news about Conte has been lost in translation...

Apparently, the board has spoken to John Conteh to ask him if he'd take on Duncan as there's nobody at the club who can ask the Scotsman to leave without fearing for their lives. :)

Dale Self
54 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:46:12
So we can’t get the terms we want and someone in the towers puts Benitez out there thinking that improves negotiating position? When you don’t dispose of floated options that damage your rep you start looking like well, a floater.

I think we are getting a view as to why Carlo left

Marc Hints
55 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:07
Not too sure I care who the manager is at the moment. I am more concerned about players we need to sign; I really don't want to watch that first 11 again for another season.
Jamie Crowley
56 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:53:56
David -

I got the feeling Rom wanted out at the tail end of Roberto's reign. I thought he was frustrated with not breaking into the Champions League.

He wasn't the same after around April of that year, by my memory.

And yes, Martinez with actual money to spend would be worth the price of admission surely!

Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:54:26
If Benitez is hired, then serious questions need to be raised about Moshiri's suitability to remain our owner.
Michael Lynch
58 Posted 15/06/2021 at 15:57:37
Not happening. Probably just that the board have been reading ToffeeWeb and came up with a cunning plan to counter all the negativity about Nuno:

"Let's feed the fuckers a Rafa rumour and they'll be BEGGING us to bring in Nuno and his 5,000 assistants!"

Dale Self
59 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:01:56
This looks like psyops to get expectations set for an underwhelming candidate that they are somewhat embarrassed to settle on.
Will Mabon
60 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:24
Andy @ 37,

Only a tenner, I hope...

Mark Ryan
61 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:02:26
I seemed to remember shots of Romelu giggling to his teams mates when Martinez got the Belgium gig. I like him think Roberto's not "all that" and I was glad to see the back of him as were most Evertonians. Don't bring him back, for fuck's sake!
Ian Pilkington
62 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:04:19
Mike @53,

Conte doesn't have a wide choice of clubs at present. He turned down Spurs allegedly over spending and probably because Kane is set on leaving.

If we don't think big, we are never going to be big again.

Ian Jones
63 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:13:33
Apologies in advance for picking some comments out...

Kieran, agreed, Benitez did get relegated with Newcastle, think he took on a team already in trouble. However, he did get them promoted back to the Premier League...

To be fair, he also only spent about 18 months in China before returning to the UK, not the 3 years you mentioned.

Jay Harris, Benitez has won the Italian Cup and the Europa League more recently than 2005.

Am not suggesting I am a great fan of Rafa Benitez, but we might as well give some credit where it's due...

Martin Reppion
64 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:17:27
Several posts on here talk about the attractive football played under Martinez. This was the team that would be happy to pass to our own goalkeeper from inside the opposition half but not risk a direct ball into their box from 40 yards for fear of losing it.

The tippy tappy stuff confused the hell out of our players and Martinez was simply too pig-headed, or too stupid, to realise he was putting square pegs into round holes. He got found out by January in his first season.

The second time we played teams, they were waiting for us. (Fulham worked us out after 25 minutes and turfed us out of the League Cup.)

I don't want a managerial spent force, whether or not he is the fat Spanish waiter from across the park either. The French guy, Galtier, looks like a good call and we could be the right fit for him. But whoever it is. We need to move soon so we can recruit in the right way.

Robert Tressell
65 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:19:23
Martinez has matured as a manager since leaving us. He's a good manager too. His Belgium side is the classiest I've seen this Euros mixing possession with real pentration. But he'll now be looking for a more immediate route to the Champions League I expect.

As for Conte, there's every chance we've already approached him. I'd expect to be rebuffed for similar reasons he publicly rebuffed Spurs. He's an elite manager now - and the prospect of rebuilding a club off the back of 12th and 10th place finishes looks way below him unfortunately, especially when we simply cannot compete in the transfer market.

Santo - it wouldn't surprise me if this is all sorted with a bit of formality left to resolve before the announcement. It might seem like ages to us but in reality it's been no time at all to sort out a senior hire with notice of the vacancy.

And did I mention I don't want Benitez.

Martin Reppion
66 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:25:52
Sorry.

The manager of a team that includes De Bruyne, Lukaku, Courtois and a host of other world beaters does not need to be any good. His tactics can simply be to show them which way to face at kick-off and let them get on with it.

Mike Walker could manage Belgium and look vaguely competent.

Pat Kelly
67 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:33:34
The issue with Nuno could well be Ferguson's role, if any. If we want Nuno and he doesn't want Ferguson then it's time the big man moved on. No one is bigger than the Club.

We also have Baines in some coaching capacity? Next it'll be Seamus... The museum is expanding.

Will Mabon
68 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:37:34
Martin, I know where you're coming from, but the manager must have some bearing surely? If not, how did Man City lose the Champions League Final to Chelsea?

By the way, Walker couldn't!

Stuart Sharp
69 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:41:46
Martin, I agree with your general point. But the Mike Walker comment is a step too far.
Howard Don
70 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:44:44
The more I read about Nuno, the less enthusiastic I am. The more I read about Graham Potter, part of me would rather give him a go, he's young highly intelligent, innovative and, unlike Martinez, not afraid to change it if it ain't working. At least he'd be there to build, unlike any of the big names being pushed most of whom, if they came at all, would do a Carlo within a year or so.

Benitez would undoubtedly steady the ship, wants to be in the area and, who knows, might just build something.

Dave Lynch
71 Posted 15/06/2021 at 16:46:58
I've mentioned this a couple of times on other threads.

It wouldn't surprise me if, after the Euros, Martinez came back.

He won't want to destabilise Belgium ATM, just a hunch, Benitez may be just lazy journalism.

Craig Walker
72 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:37:01
I liked Martinez for that first season and really wanted him to succeed. There were some great performances in his inaugural season : Man United home and away, Arsenal home and away. We should have won the Goodison derby. That season is probably the last time we played some good football. Then the wheels truly came off culminating in a thumping at Anfield which was one of the most embarrassing defeats I can remember. For those saying he could do well with more money, McGeady and Niasse were Martinez buys.
Jay Harris
73 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:41:04
A brief synopsis of Benitez successes and failures form your own opinion.

moved away from Real Madrid in 1995, but management spells at Real Valladolid and Osasuna were short-lived and unsuccessful. He guided Segunda División side Extremadura back to the Primera División in his first season in 1997, but the team was relegated the following season. He left the club, and coached Tenerife in 2000, winning promotion in his only season.

Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and won La Liga in the 2001–02 season. In 2004, another La Liga league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added building on the foundation laid by Héctor Cúper who had taken Valencia to two consecutive Champions League finals; in 2000 against Real Madrid, and in 2001 against Bayern Munich. After leaving Valencia, Benitez moved to English club Liverpool of the Premier League, guiding the club to victory in the UEFA Champions League in 2005. For the second consecutive season, he was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but was unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best league performance under Benítez a second-place finish in 2008–09.

After leaving Liverpool in June 2010, Benítez was appointed manager of treble-winning side Inter Milan. His reign at the club was a short one and he was dismissed midway through the 2010–11 season. In November 2012, he was appointed interim manager of Chelsea for the remainder of the season and he won the 2013 Europa League. He returned to Italy in 2013 to coach Napoli, where he won the Coppa Italia and Supercoppa Italiana. He then left Napoli and became coach of Real Madrid in June 2015 on an initial three-year contract. It was another short-lived appointment and on 4 January 2016, he was dismissed following a 2–2 draw against his old club, Valencia.

On 11 March 2016, Benítez was announced as the manager of Newcastle United in an attempt to save the club from relegation. He was unable to avoid relegation, but earned promotion back to the Premier League the following year, winning the Championship. He left the club in June 2019. In July 2019 he was appointed manager of Chinese Super League club Dalian Professional. On 23 January 2021 Benítez announced that he had left the club by mutual consent.

Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:48:05
Mark #62, Rom may just have been giggling for sheer joy. Under Roberto and his Belgium system, Rom has scored an extraordinary 42 goals in his last 41 games for his country and is enjoying himself extravagantly.

Martin #67, it takes more than talent to craft a top international side. Look at Argentina's struggles. Look at Spain. Roberto hasn't just collected a bunch of stars, he's developed a system they can thrive in and has made good in-game coaching decisions. And he has kept everybody happy, which ain't easy. He deserves full credit.

HOWEVER... all he has to do is coach the team, he doesn't have to manage it as a club. I think it was his lack of organizational skills that caught up with him at Everton, and before that at Wigan. He doesn't have to worry about that at Belgium. He doesn't have to scout and buy players or negotiate contracts. Or manage a budget.

But again, he is never coming back to Everton. Especially, Dave #72, right before a World Cup that he will be favored to win. Sorry, no way.

Brian Murray
75 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:53:58
That kopite waiter has been to China and has achieved nothing for six years. The rivalry aside, he’s yesterday’s man just like we was starting to see withCarlo. It’s natural the hunger is not quite there after a while. It’s alla gamble especially on no experience but big duncs ability may surprise us if he’s offered.
Peter Warren
76 Posted 15/06/2021 at 17:54:28
Regarding Benitez it does not bother me that he managed Liverpool and called us a small club. The issue is that he wasn’t that good 15 years ago in my opinion and he was so fortunate (as we’re Liverpool) to have one of the most amazing players ever called Steven Gerrard.

If I thought Benitez was top class, great, but he ain’t. Nuno seems ok but not great.

I don’t understand why we don’t go for someone with an identity of how to play which fits in with our school of science ethos or an up and coming manager. All these names (which may be horseshit to be fair) all appear safe and average - bit like our team.

Rob Halligan
77 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:06:02
The stumbling block with Nuno cannot be the size of his backroom staff, after all Ancelotti also had six in his backroom staff. The stumbling block, for me anyway, is whether Duncan can remain on the coaching team or not. This will be Kenwright interfering again. He lost out on getting his love child back, so still wants to be seen as having a major input, and wants Duncan to remain.

I think I'd rather have Nuno than Benitez, so sorry Duncan, but if that means “Ya gotta go, then ya gotta go”!

John Wilson
78 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:11:45
Benítez never said Everton was a small club. This is also a derby so emotions are everywhere. He said this:

"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep 'but that's what small clubs do.'

Is Benítez wrong about what small clubs do?

"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Did he imply Everton were a small club because when under Moyes Everton were fighting for just a draw and not a win?

Could you call Everton a small club for a team steeped in history to fight for a point instead of a win?

If there was less than a few shots at Anfield by Everton, would this not cause the red shite manager frustration?

Benítez continues:

"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it."

Reference: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafa-benitez-next-everton-manager-24232898

Steve Powell
79 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:32:27
Surely this is just people making stuff up because there is nothing else to write about?
Michael Kenrick
80 Posted 15/06/2021 at 18:40:50
John @78,

I'm not sure that's an argument you're going to win. The meaning in context was very clear: Everton played like a small club... although ironically it seems every club plays that way nowadays!

But I agree with your intent (or my perception of it): the jibe was true at the time, and sensitive Evertonians reacted with predictable wounded pride. Our football at times from the Ginger Minge was simply horrible. But that was plucky little Everton. [Of course it's okay if we say it!]

Thank you, David Moyes.

Jimmy Hogan
81 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:30:46
Bill has lost the plot. First he advocates bringing back Moyes or Martinez, now it's him pushing for Benitez. As Thatcher the old witch once said, NO, NO, NO.
Colin Glassar
82 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:33
Spot on Michael. Bill and ginge milked the plucky little Everton till the cows came home. That mindset is the cause of all our problems today. The acceptance of mediocrity by players and managers alike.
Colin Glassar
83 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:36:50
Spot on Michael. Bill and ginge milked the plucky little Everton till the cows came home. That mindset is the cause of all our problems today. The acceptance of mediocrity by players and managers alike.
Paul Hewitt
84 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:46:42
How do any of you know that Kenwright wanted Moyes to return, and now want Martinez back?. I know it's in the papers so it must be true. The truth is no one has a clue who the club are looking at. But I suppose it's another thing to blame Bill for.
Joe O'Brien
85 Posted 15/06/2021 at 19:58:39
Exactly Jimmy @81.. he should not have any input into the choosing of our next manager..nor should Moshiri btw.. this should be a Brand pick.. and for sure he wouldn't be picking a manager who has won nothing recently.. and would only consider us because his family live in the area.
I'm behind Nuno.. the supporters would give him time.. if Rafa lost a couple of matches in a row the support would turn on him.. lose 4 in a row..Goodison would be a toxic atmosphere.
If Rafa got the job.. he'd be sacked within the year.. and he'd love that..out the door with a huge payoff.. Still loved by the redshite.. and them laughing at us.
Matthew Johnson
86 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:18:52
Isn't Klopp renting Benetiz's house, I'd hire him just for the giggles of Klopp being evicted
Ed Fitzgerald
87 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:20:27
Klopp rents Brendas house in Formby
Chris Hockenhull
88 Posted 15/06/2021 at 21:38:46
“He’s Maintained His magnificent Property on Kings Drive in Caldy..on The Wirral”…. Any chance you can go the whole hog and add postcode…phone number…alarm code etc???? I mean Carlo experienced a bit of “ local interest @ as did Duncan once and our reserve keeper Olson over the years. I mean… let’s keep our prospective players and staff welcome shall we????
Mark Andersson
89 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:02:40
I watched a interview with Harry Redknap in were his chairman of Portsmouth asked him... why are these players bot trying?

Harry said.. but they are trying the problem is they are crap footballers who can not do any better..

I think Carlo realized the same about our squad..

Who ever comes in as the new manager will still have a squad of players only capeable of mid table finish..

Raffa aint coming and Martinez haha Jamie your as deluded as the man himself who once blamed sticky grass for a poot result..

Ian Horan
90 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:05:14
Brands currently lives next door but one to Benitez in Caldy.. I can see BENITEZ with Duncan to calm the support. This looks so much like a PR disaster waiting to happen. On the plus side we can all wing about next seasons fixtures at 9.30am tomorrow... now that will be interesting. I bet we get the top 6 in our first 8 games whilst we are in disarray.
Dave Abrahams
91 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:10:40
Mark (89),Mark did Redknap make those remarks before or after he bought a lot of those players, he won the FA cup with them but nearly made Portsmouth bankrupt, and they were in the lowest league not long after. Mind you Redknap did alright out of it and it allowed his dog to bank a load of money for him.
Christy Ring
92 Posted 15/06/2021 at 22:47:32
Never liked Benitez, always reminded me of the toy collector in Toy Story 2, but that's beside the point, his record in the last 10 /12 years has been shockingly poor, would be a disaster.
I always liked Martinez, he took a chance and spent all his money on Lukaku, a brilliant decision, but injuries, and an ageing defence with no more money to buy a centre back, cost him. Remember he had to play Alcaraz a free transfer at centreback. As for Nuno, he picks his own backroom team, if the deal is being held up over not including BigDunc, we're a total shambles.
Simon Harris
93 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:14:59
Call me cynical, but they must have seen the response to the Nuno story ... Leak a Benitez story to the press, fans up in arms, then announce the Portuguese chap to soften the blow of the underwhelmed majority. Phew, at least we didn't hire [insert insult here]
Kevin Molloy
94 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:24:48
I'd love to be at the interview. 'yes, but Rafa, I'm not being funny but what have you actually won?'

how the hell is he going to answer that one. Whereas Nuno didn't just get Wolves promoted, he actually won the thing.

Jerome Shields
95 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:32:24
Gosh the long this Management recruitment process goes on the more desperate are the choices being posted. Trying to find improvement in shambolic Managers. This must reflect a desperate Management recruitment group at Everton. There does not seem to. be a coherent plan for the recruitment of a Manager, since the range though limit, has big variations in Manager type.
David Israel
96 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:49:04
Looking at it from the bright side, this would almost certainly herald the second coming of the great Steve Ferns!
Ian Pilkington
97 Posted 15/06/2021 at 23:51:27
David Moyes failed to win a single away match at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United, 44 in total.

Whether Benitez's comments were lost in translation or not, Moyes's attitude to away games at what was then known as the “big four” clubs was certainly smalltime.

John Pickles
98 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:23:54
I don't care about his 'small club' comment, as regards clubs likely to win anything, we are. I'm more concerned with the amount of money he wasted on bum signings at Liverpool, they could afford it, as Koeman has proved, we can't.
Andy Crooks
99 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:40:45
Christy, no not Martinez. In my view the worst coach in our history. His vanity relegated and destroyed Wigan. He would have relegated us. His appointment was insane. He is managing the best team in the world and they will never win a tournament because he is really that useless. Mike G, you will never change my mind on this!!
I posted, when I was lobbying to get him out of our club, that he was the worst coach I had every seen earn a living as a professional. I absolutely stand by that.
We lost a game at Southampton where his ineptitude was such that I commented that my next door neighbour's cat could do better. I would rather have Mike Walker's cat as our coach than the posturing fraudulent ninny. Belgium will rue the day they appointed him.
I suppose I should now recommend that you all stick a bet on Belgium.

Mike Gaynes
100 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:03:48
Andy #99, they'll rue hiring Roberto? When? He's already given Belgium the five greatest years in their history. Third at the World Cup -- outplayed the champs for a half in the semis and then demolished England for 3rd. They've won almost 80% of their games under Roberto. Four losses in five years.

Maybe they'll win the Euros, maybe not. Maybe they'll win the WC, maybe not. But they'll never regret appointing Bobby.

We sure as hell should, however. You and I agree on that one.

Soren Moyer
101 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:19:07
NES wants to bring Mendes onboard for dealing with transfers. Hence the hold up. Thats according to the news outlets.
Derek Thomas
102 Posted 16/06/2021 at 01:33:38
Mike @ 100 aka, possibly cloud 9; No they'll not regret hiring Martinez, but they'll be even more pleased at having Lukaku, KdB and a few more very good players, Hazard even.

Martinez is a good International Manager, but not a good League manager.

Horses for Courses.

Just think back to the faces of Lukaku and Mirallas as it was announced when they were coming out.
If they ever needed a video clip to define the dictionary definition of "what the absolute fuck" then that was it.

It has been said and disputed on here about people saying No to this one or that, without offering an alternative.

But Ifeel its ok to know what you don't want, much harder to know what you do want (Or need, as the stones tell us - you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need).
And,
Once you've decided what you do want . or need.

It's even harder to be right.

Jack Ellam (iirc) nailed the 5 stages of recognition (want Vs need etc.)

Who is Jack Ellam?
Try Jack Ellam.
Get me Jack Ellam.
I want a 'Jack Ellam' type.
Who is Jack Ellam.

I want a 'Bielsa Type', a kick arse, off the wall nutter.
*wishes for the moon.
A modern day Clough - who if the stories are true, we very briefly flirted with then ran off with our apron over our face, like a scandalised kitchen maid with the vapours.

No Moyes
No FSW,
No Martinez.

I can just about live with Nuno as he did decent stuff with Wolves and its all a gamble.

But Martinez ( he got luck twice with Lukaku, once in the League and once internationally - he won't get lucky a third time) is firmly in my 'fool me once etc' category.

No, just no.

James Flynn
103 Posted 16/06/2021 at 05:44:28
Roberto back? No, no, and no. A terrible coach. First-rate bullshitter, though.
And a couple fellows wished Moshiri kept Roberto and gave him all that money to spend?

All at once: Barry, Luka, McCarthy, and DelBoy. Fantastic. Look past them and his signings range from meh to shit to Tarashaj.

2013

Arouna Kone
Antolin Alcaraz
Joel Robles
James McCarthy
Romelu Lukaku
Gareth Barry
Gerard Deulofeu

2014

Aiden McGeady
Jindrich Stanek
Sam Byrne
Samuel Eto'o
Muhamed Besic
Brendan Galloway
Connor Hunt

2015

Leandro Rodriguez
Tom Cleverley
Mason Holgate
Aaron Lennon
David Henen
Funes Mori

2016

Niasse
Shani Tarashaj
Matthew Foulds

Lot of things said about Kenwright/Walsh/Koeman that they had coming to them. Let's just not forget that the slide of the last 5 years was started by Martinez.

Bring him back? He didn't even consider important getting his players into 90 minutes of fitness. The most basic of basics.

Conor McCourt
104 Posted 16/06/2021 at 06:22:32
Andy you have just made me laugh "the worst coach in our history",yet he delivered the best three year period in three and a half decades. Every year we fought for something come the end of the season.

We have had the Hollywood managers Ancelotti and Koeman, the young pretender Silva and the self proclaimed greatest manager that ever lived all following Martinez and not one got anywhere near what Roberto achieved.

Not only did they not surpass him (5th place 72 points, last 16 in Europe and 2 Cup Semi's) they between them didn't even beat ONE of his individual achievements and this all done without Moshiri's money.

At Swansea he is statistically their greatest manager, At Wigan he won the FA Cup and kept them up all but one season and is definitely their greatest ever manager, at Belgium he is their greatest ever manager and even with us he is statistically one of our greatest managers despite his perception as a failure by some.

If Roberto hadn't managed here before he would be seen as the outstanding candidate on the list.

Ed Fitzgerald
105 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:34:36
Conor/Andy

I’m no fan boy for Martinez but he isn’t a terrible coach and certainly not the worst In our history by any measure, win percentage is perhaps the most useful (disregarding caretaker managers). Martinez’s win percentage is only bettered by Harry Catterick, HK (first period) Colin Harvey and the recently departed Italian.


Andy I worked in Wigan for a number of years before retiring and he is revered by their fans not reviled. His achievement of winning the FA Cup with a club the size of Wigan is comparable with Wimbledon winning the FA Cup of 1988. If Moyes has managed to win something at Everton he would have been accorded the same status here.

Mick O'Malley
106 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:45:25
Connor@ 104 Good post and I’d welcome Roberto back in a heartbeat, at least he tried to win games and who knows what would have happened if he had the money the other muppets who came after him had to spend
Ed Fitzgerald
107 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:48:44
Sorry Conor

My beginning of that post was for Andy and James
not yourself

Gary Willock
108 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:51:15
Been out for a pint a few times with a client who is ex professional who played under Martinez at Wigan. He swears to this day we were nuts to get rid. He says the man simply eats, drinks and sleeps football. He’d apparently watch matches until midnight and come in trying new things in training all the time. He genuinely loves the game.

What I recall was an idealist who would have rather gone down in flames than have been forced to change his formation and tippy tappy approach. Other teams had simply sussed how to counter it, and it became almost maddening to know exactly what was going to happen.

The big question is whether his obsession with the game led to him learning from that, and whether he is now willing to adapt when it isn’t going right?

Belgium started with his old 4-2-3-1 in opening game. It’ll be interesting to see if he sticks with it when the tougher games come and/or if they start losing……

Colin Glassar
109 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:55:19
Do we (Everton) have no sense of shame? Benitez might install some sense of tactical discipline and stamina into the team but he publicly embarrassed us in front of the world.

I despair over the Moshiri/Kenwright regime. Two bumbling amateurs who are taking us nowhere fast.

Anthony Murphy
110 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:57:42
Each to their own but advocating a return for Martinez? I think I’ll leave TW for a bit and switch back on in a few months when some sort of sanity had hopefully resumed
James Newcombe
111 Posted 16/06/2021 at 07:58:50
I’m still in the Potter camp. Though I like the idea of NES and the connection to the best young talent in Portugal, the more I think about it. Both of those could potentially stick around a while and build something.

Forget Rafa, I don’t think he’s a right fit at all. I find the Roberto calls a bit ridiculous - he’s a cup manager, that’s it. Nice bloke, but once we were found out the problems began. Being 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go; and not being certain of the points wasn’t good for my heart!

Joe McMahon
112 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:16:13
Colin, it's got to the stage where I would have Satan as manager, if he could coach our players to pass a ball forwards, run with the ball, and shoot. We need goals.

Worryingly none of this has been addressed at Finch Farm for a long time. Like many of us, I'm sick to my back teeth of negative hanging on to a one-goal lead football. 3-4 seasons aside under Joe and Roberto, that is all we have had in nearly 30 years of the Premier League.

Sam Hoare
113 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:28:59
Benitez, uuurghh.

Just go all guns for Galtier! He’s the only one who seems to have excited the majority of Evertonians and his record is pretty faultless. So far!

Failing that I still think Potter would get us playing the sort of football that Evertonians would very much appreciate. High energy, attacking football with young players that is not all Eddie Howe/Roberto Martinez in defense.

Most of all, let Brands choose! Love him or loathe him he is at least a dedicated football professional unlike Moshiri and Kenwright.

Jake Lucas
114 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:30:29
Be nice to be 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go, though, James. I forgot how that felt.
Jake Lucas
115 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:36:14
Has anyone else seen the leaked photo of Nuno in an Everton tracksuit in the Titanic last night? Always difficult to know whether it's fake... seems real but then these guys are excellent on photoshop these days.
Jerome Shields
116 Posted 16/06/2021 at 08:49:50
Gosh, the longer this manager recruitment process goes on, the more desperate are the choices being posted. Trying to find improvement in shambolic managers. This must reflect a desperate manager recruitment group at Everton. There does not seem to be a coherent plan for the recruitment of a manager, since the range, though limit, has big variations in manager type.
Danny O’Neill
117 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:00:14
Aside from making me smile with use of the word 'gosh', Jerome – a word I've not thought of using in years (!!!) – that is such a valid point.

What is the strategy? What type of team and club do we want to be? As much as we have started laying the foundations at BMD, we need to start shaping the foundations of the team we want to play there. When we decide that, then target options that can deliver on that strategy.

My desperate forlorn hope is that the reason for this delay is that the club is thinking strategically for once.

Cue laughter and ridicule.

Robert Tressell
118 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:05:41
Jerome, it's a good observation. It's as though we've been patiently waiting our turn for years for a good manager to sort things out. We're yet again looking for a new manager to drive the improvement.

The harsh reality, as Ancelotti put it, is that this is like waiting for a magician not a manager.

I agree with Sam that Galtier & Potter seem like a good fit (I put Santo in that camp too). But none of these guys are going to have Everton rocketing up the league into the Top 4 any time soon.

A good manager could make a difference in the early years of the Premier League (maybe before) but the competitive advantage to the 4 most expensively assembled squads is now so huge that it's not going to happen – at least not overnight.

The only way someone like Potter could do it is by working with Brands to overhaul a failed squad and build something to really compete in the 2023-24 season. That's a difficult strategy to adopt for a club that's made a habit of losing managers after 18 months.

Craig Walker
119 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:16:23
I’ll get my tin hat on but I’d be okay with Benitez at Everton. There, I’ve said it.

The guy has won things. That is what we need. Too often, we make choices as a club for sentimental reasons. I think Benitez did well at Newcastle with the resources he was given.

My ideal choice would be Galtier or Rangnick.

Mark Murphy
120 Posted 16/06/2021 at 09:33:14
I thought he was Ratha Beneathus??

It's a big No from me.

Nailed on then – Murphy's law was named after me.

UTFT

Alan J Thompson
121 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:33:09
What in hell seems to be causing the delay!

On this basis there must be somebody we haven't considered as I can't believe that either Nuno or Benitez could possibly need this much research into their history. If it is between these two then it has to be the Portugeezer.

The only other reason I can see is that there is either problems in the Boardroom, Bill wants to wait until the 1st of a month in his usual penny pinching manner or it's a national manager still involved with the Euros but as Mike Gaynes points out, why would the Manager of the highest ranked national team, or any high ranking national side, leave less than 18 months before the World Cup?

My hope is an as yet unconsidered (by us) third choice either at the Euros or we are in negotiation to buy him out of wherever he is now.

David Pearl
122 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:46:42
Jake @115, it's a fake. Makes you look twice but then you see how the beard is cut around.

Hopefully the Fat Spanish Waiter stories are also fake. Either that or Kenwright has memory lapses... and Mosh hasn't a clue.

I've looked at the fixtures out this morning but, if that gobshite is our manager, l won't be watching.

Michael Kenrick
123 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:48:05
Interesting that this story has now merited a piece at the BBC website, possibly elevating it a little above the Rumour Mill?

Rafael Benitez and Nuno Espirito Santo in running for Toffees job

Sheds no further light, but puts Rafa and Nuno on a par with other unnamed candidates as the saga continues to drag on and on...

How's the betting looking now???

Danny O’Neill
124 Posted 16/06/2021 at 10:57:11
Whether you like him or not (I do), McNulty doesn't often speculate in my experience. Although, he does leave this one open and vague, as you say, Michael, with the "cast a wide net" comment.

Paddy Power just told me "sorry we can't find that one". I feel dejected as we are obviously nothing to them, but I'm probably not the best one to ask for finding betting odds.

Jerome Shields
125 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:16:03
Robert #118,

I think they are looking for a 'big name' manager who is not going to demand radical change at Everton. Ance!otti took the job and it was accepted that his backroom team would fit in. It took six months after Anchelotti's appointment for a final announcement to be made regarding their positions.

So you have Moshiri, the owner, looking a big name and Kenwright, the Chairman, not looking for radical change. The others in the selection process are falling into either of these camps. It's a battle between the perceptions of these two sides. Benitez is the Joker: though a big name he will agree to not implementing radical change.

I prefer Nuno who seems to stand up for his principles and thought he would be a compromise for both camps, but he is looking for change. I would not be surprised that Moshiri is working on an unrevealed big name.

Potter is good and everything you and Sam say is right, but he isn't within a shout of the criteria, I believe, of these two camps.

Imo, the Everton objective is to build on Anchlotti's analysis and plan, and this is part of the selection criteria. They believe they have the framework in place and a backroom team built up over 20 years to help the new manager to implement it and take it forward.

I also think that they did not think Ancelotti had the right skill fit to work with the Everton backroom structure and players and have convinced themselves of this. Ancelotti's public comments regarding skill and effort meant that he was beaten and the response he got as a result confirmed it.

The Everton establishment believe that they should be in the Top 4, but the whole culture of Everton is midtable and maybe a European spot.

For me, the promotion of Brands and the recent reinforcement of the establishment means that radical changes are not going to come anytime soon.

Tony Abrahams
126 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:21:47
I heard last week that Moshiri and Usmanov both like Benítez and had already spoken to him three times but Kenwright was warning them against it. That's why his name was released to the press, so they could gauge the fans' reaction.

I do think appointing Benítez will cause a lot more outrage than they could possibly realise, though, but life is full of irony...

If Rafa did get the job and won Everton a trophy, just watching how the fans celebrate will make him realise he couldn't have been further from the truth when he called Everton a small club – but only because of its great supporters!

Barry Hesketh
127 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:31:07
Tony ~126,

I've heard and read the exact opposite: Moshiri wants Nuno, Kenwright wants Benitez. It would seem that the attractiveness of Everton has waned and, seeing as how Ancelotti left us in the lurch so quickly and his contacts within the football world, it might put off any would-be candidates.

We'll never get the truth of the matter but it's pretty obvious we don't have too many choices. If Nuno doesn't arrive, I think they'll sell Benitez to the fans with Big Dunc as his assistant.

Nick Bower
128 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:35:41
Dunderheads at loggerheads
Conor Skelly
129 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:41:49
The Rafa-fact of the matter is that he is the most qualified person for the job. For that reason and that reason alone, 7/2 is a great bet.
Martin Nicholls
130 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:46:10
MK #123,

Nuno 1/2 (had been 1/20), Spanish Waiter 7/2,14/1 bar.

Like Jerome, my own guess is that Moshiri is working on a "big name".

Personally, I'd go for Unai Emery, a man who works well with a DoF, knows how to win trophies, has Premier League experience, and has something to prove in the Premier League, so would be motivated. A realistic target.

Danny O’Neill
131 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:48:00
Thanks Tony and Barry. So with those thoughts in mind, it would equate to having the manger equivalent of that Koeman / Walsh / Kenwright transfer fiasco a few seasons ago. Spraygun and incoherent.

Having been put through this for weeks, just like waiting for a bus, we're going to end up with 3 managers when this is over with Moshiri, Brands and Kenwright all looking at each other confused.

Just as I was calming and convincing myself the club were taking their time because they were thinking with a strategy for the future.

What time is it?

Steve Brown
132 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:50:53
Suggest the following decision process for manager - the DoF recommends the best candidate, the owner makes the final decision and the chairman serves the sherry.
Brian Murray
133 Posted 16/06/2021 at 11:57:00
Steve. Would he even get the Sherry call right or plump for a bottle of sovereign from Iceland!
Danny O’Neill
134 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:01:10
I know they'll go and blow this out of the water by announcing Benitez this afternoon, but are we waiting for and in negotiation with an international manager who is going to announce his departure after the Euros?

That's not cryptic for Martinez, there will likely be a few.

Brian Murray
135 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:06:49
Only defence Martinez knows about separates his garden from next door. Forget that deluded idiot
Gary Willock
136 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:09:53
If all the rumours of boardroom squables are correct, then no wonder we've had 5 managers in 5 years. the job is simply impossible. Perhaps the managers we've had are not actually as bad as we all thought, and it is just easier to blame them. Their current positions in world football (Marco and Fat Sam aside) would suggest that's likely true.

Given it is highly unlikely Moshiri has the time or inclination to stop Brands wanting to select and buy most of the players, and/or stop Bill from wanting the old Everton brigade in the backroom . then perhaps it's best we embrace it and look for a man most likely to accept that situation and work WITH IT not against it.

I very much doubt that's Nuno, and I doubt it would be Rafa either. For me, it's gotta be Duncan, surrounded closely by people like Tim Cahill and perhaps even bringing back other stallwarts like Phil Neville and Jags into the coaching team. Let brands buy the players, and the others create an environment they enjoy.

It's a big risk to 'embrace being Everton' but it's just as big as one to give a new manager his own backroom and 50% of the player buys too. Roll the dice.

Howard Sykes
137 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:17:06
Mark Ryan (13),

You are right we so need to hire someone, but not just anyone.

Jonathan Tasker
138 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:24:10
You might have thought that the club would appoint someone and then they would say to the new manager to make a list of targets from Euro 2020.

But we are talking Everton here. We are not talking about a professional business.

David Nicholls
139 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:25:54
Regarding Martinez, I can’t help but feel that his personality it far better suited to international football.

His relentless positivity is effective in small doses but over a 40-50 game season can come across as insincere.
I remember him describing a draw at Crystal Palace as ‘phenomenal’!

I’d be ok with NES, Rafa or Howe.

Andrew Ellams
140 Posted 16/06/2021 at 12:39:00
It would make sense if Martinez moved on after the Euros. He will done a complete international cycle, his team's ageing and will probably need some rebuilding with players who don't match up to what he has right now so maybe he'll want a new challenge.

Hopefully somewhere else though.

Mick O'Malley
141 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:09:59
Please do not hire Rafa, we’ve just endured 18 months of turgid uninspiring football, we need someone to unite behind not an ex RS who will have the fans split, come on Moshiri don’t let us down again
Mark Ryan
142 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:13:24
Howard @137,

I wasn't saying "Just hire anyone", I was saying "Hire Benitez". Take the bile and hatred out of the equation and he's a talented manager. He's not had an opportunity like this for many years and I thought at the time that he was a better choice than Martinez, Koeman, Silva or Allardyce, and I've said this before.

I get that the vast majority have been very upset and offended by him and what he has said but I haven't been. I take little offence to name-calling etc, it's water off a duck's back to me. I'm after a worker and I think he'd be a good fit for us.

Don't worry about what I'm spouting about anyway, he won't get it. If they wanted him, he would have been hired by now because he'd bite our hands off if the job was offered. I think there is something afoot and I'm not sure what, so don't worry, he won't get it.

Kieran Kinsella
143 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:15:59
Barry Fry says Kenwright is “gutted” Carlo left and would have “dug into his pocket” to back him this summer. Does anyone believe either of those statements?
Jerome Shields
144 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:17:31
Tony#126

That's interesting. Surprised that Bill does not want him, obviously thinks he will be difficult to manage, which would be a plus point with me. We all have our suspicions of Benitez. Bill does not believe him, thinking it would be different when Benitez gets his feet under the table.

A Spanish Waiter is always worth watching: professional, knowledgeable, and always in control of the situation. The fact he has always had his base in Liverpool will make him acutely aware of how he is perceived.

He stuck with Newcastle when they went down. Not many Big Name managers would have done that.

David Israel
145 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:19:24
Soren #101, Nuno's loyalties are, first and foremost, I'm afraid, to his agent, and not to the club who pays his wages.

At Porto, so I'm told, he sidelined Ruben Neves, only to sign him on the cheap for Wolves, the following season.

His coaching skills notwithstanding, I think we should steer well clear of him.

Kieran Kinsella
146 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:20:00
Danny is right. McNulty usually keeps his powder dry until he has some real information. How depressing.
Danny O’Neill
147 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:23:19
I know who I'd like and I've said it enough so will spare the repeat. I also doubt the club would go there or whether they'd be interested. In fact it's not doubt, they just wouldn't.

I know I don't want Benitez or Eddie Howe and would consider Nuno the best of an unambitious list. But maybe that's where we are.

As has been said on many occasions here, the consensus amongst us fans seems to that most are more settled on who they don't want and a lot of them are on the rumour list. If that is to be believed.

Si Cooper
148 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:26:07
“You might have thought that the club would appoint someone and then they would say to the new manager to make a list of targets from Euro 2020.”

Er, actually I'd be pretty livid if that was the way the club handled this situation. I hope that the club already has a list of possible new recruits that would be shown to a candidate late in the recruitment stage for their feedback.

Also, I'd want any serious targets who are appearing in the tournament to be well and truly courted by now (subject to medical / work permit, etc). Isn't that the whole point of employing Brands?

Then I'd ask the new manager for a shortlist of his personal ‘wildcards' for consideration.

Jerome Shields
149 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:29:11
Benitez is the Joker in the pack.
Geoff Lambert
150 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:32:34
Should we learn to boo in Spanish or Portuguese.
Soren Moyer
151 Posted 16/06/2021 at 13:41:39
David # 101.

I myself am not excited about hiring Nuno either. He is in the "Meh" category for me. Just hoping that the delay is due to the fact that we are still negotiating with the Galtier - Ten Hag team. One can only hope!

Martin Mason
152 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:37:58
Parker or Potter for me. Confident low risk, younger men who've had success with getting good performances from relatively weak teams and whose success is in the future. Neither will solve all of the Everton problems because to do that BK and his Crony culture need to go. A simple change of manager isn't enough now.
Kieran Kinsella
153 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:45:51
Martin

" low risk, younger men who've had success with getting good performances"

How do you define "low risk"? I imagine Potter would be expensive just in the sense of paying off his Brighton deal. The risk is what? that he doesn't get top 6? I'd say anyone is a risk in that respect. But I also think there's the scarier risk of relegation. Potter have survived by the skin of his teeth has the edge there over Parker.

Now, I am not saying these guys are useless. There are reasons to think they could do well. But given our aspirations, I'd say it would be a huge leap of faith to take either. One has managed a yoyo team, the other a basement dweller. I'd sooner seem them hone their skills at a larger club before taking the plunge

Steve Shave
154 Posted 16/06/2021 at 14:53:21
Scott Parker should be the new Everton manager!!!????? Well I'm glad we got that cleared up. FFS just give it to the big man until Christmas and see what he can do.
Bill Gall
155 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:10:41
What are we looking for ? (a) a new manager or (b ) a politician. Who cares what Benitez said when managing Liverpool, he was not there to praise other teams he was there to encourage his own team. Before doubting the mans abilities I suggest those against him look at his record on Wikipedia.
We want a manager that has started from the bottom and worked his way up to build successful sides and Benitez fits that criteria.
My own view is, who is the best available, with contract demands that suit the club. Surely the club has a list and is taking its time to find the best manager available of getting success on the playing side, and not someone who has made negative comments about the club previously.
Comments do not win games it is the players on the pitch and the managers tactics and game plan. Just get someone in to start the season.
Tony Abrahams
156 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:13
Barry@127, did you read this in a paper or on a website? Or did it come via some other way?
Kieran Kinsella
157 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:19:35
Bill 155

I don't care about his comments. I am more worried about his performance. Newcastle fans loved him but I think they were dazzled by his reputation. The same fans hounded Alan Pardew out of there who kept them out of trouble and even got into Europe, and had no money to spend at all. Benitez spent big there and poorly. The football was dull than dish water. It's a long time since he was a top manager and even then, he couldn't sustain it anywhere for long.

Craig Harrison
158 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:34:12
Benitez had a net spend of -£11 million at newcastle. Doesn't seem so bad. A lot of his signings are considered a success still.
Paul Smith
159 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:37:25
Benitez for me. Make it happen, only a matter of time.
Stephen Vincent
160 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:39:18
I would be devastated if we turned to the fat Spanish waiter, I mean seriously.

But I think we need to ask the question about Nuno, isn't he the lazy (and cheap) option? Would we be beating a path to Wolves door if he wasn't available, I very much doubt it.

The possibility that Buffalo Bill can still influence this decision amazes me. How awfully amateurish how typically Everton under that clown.

Eddie Dunn
161 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:45:55
At the moment I can fully believe Barry @127, who thinks it will be Benitez with Dunc as assistant as a "sweetener" to the fans.
It could be worse.
My own choice is another ex-red, but I doubt we could tempt Rodgers from his happy family at Cup-winning Leicester City.
Kieran Kinsella
162 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:48:11
Craig

Here are the red flags:

At Real Madrid: "he was dismissed following allegations of unpopularity with supporters, displeasure with players"

At Newcastle: "Ashley criticised Benítez following his departure, stating that Benítez's demands made it impossible for him to remain as manager."

At Inter: Inherited champions of Europe, slumped to sixth in the league, said the team weren't good enough and demanded new signings. Then got sacked as the team were until he came, more than good enough.

At Liverpool: Oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years

At Valencia: Benítez fell out with Jesús García Pitarch, the club's director of football, over control of new signings

At Valladolid 17 pct win rate, Osasuna 27 pct, Dalian 31 pct.

Pretty much every club he goes to, he has issues with the players, wants to spend more money than the club have, then blames transfer policy for his failings. He at best keeps good clubs close to where they were, and poorer clubs get worse.

Jay Harris
163 Posted 16/06/2021 at 15:52:32
There are 3 choices for me:
Galtier, Conte, Ten Hag in that order.

If this board is that useless that they cant manage to get one of those 3 then we might as well appoint big Dunc and have a board restructure.

Nuno is underwhelming and Benitez is just beneath us and has not impressed wherever he has been in recent years.

Barry Hesketh
164 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:14:02
Tony @156,

Sorry for the delay in replying, I've spent the whole of the second half of the Russia game trying to find the link to what I read, either the buggers have altered their story or I have failed to locate what I read.

I read it on one of the click-bait sites and it quoted Dominic King as the source, shortly before you posted, which is why I replied.

Anyway, the latest thing I read is that Moshiri wants to push ahead with Benitez to the chagrin of Brands, as Derek and Clive live noted "What a way to run a bloody ballroom!"

This isn't what I had read earlier but it shows where Kenwright stands if true!

Speaking on the Transfer Window Podcast, Duncan Castles has claimed that Bill Kenwright is pushing for Rafa Benitez to become the new Everton manager after David Moyes signed a new contract at West Ham.

Castles reported last week that Kenwright wasn't against the idea of pushing Benitez, but his first choice has always been to get Moyes back to Goodison Park.

However, after the option of appointing Moyes was taken off the table when he signed his new West Ham deal, and now Kenwright is actively pushing for Benitez.

James Flynn
165 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:19:20
"I've heard and read the exact opposite: Moshiri wants Nuno, Kenwright wants Benitez."

Then Nuno it will be.

Kenwright has no power, nous, or opinion Moshiri needs to listen to. Or even acknowledge.

Kevin Molloy
166 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:20:52
Is there a more ridiculous trio in world football than Kewright, Moshiri and Brands? They can't agree what day it is, and have presided over £400m disappearing down the plughole. They'd better make a decision soon or both candidates will tell us to Fuck Off.
Barry Hesketh
167 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:21:34
James @165

Kenwright has the power to disrupt if nothing else, and who is it that keeps leaking information to the media?

Jim Harrison
168 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:43:13
I have read a few posts on the various manager threads saying Bobby was chased out too early.

This is utter crap. By the time he was put out of his misery the team was rudderless and took it upon themselves in a semi final to change tactics!!

He had alienated himself by taking one of the clubs best players and trying to stamp his authority by making an example of him.

He had a good season. Followed by two terrible seasons with odd highlights. He had plenty of time to turn things around and stuck to his guns to a point of ridiculousness.

He's done well with Belgium, and I wouldn't discount him returning now he has gained some valuable experience, but he certainly had to go, perhaps should have been moved out earlier.

I hope it's not Rafa. Not because he isn't a decent coach, I am sure he could get around top 7 or so. But he is never going to win over the fans. Newcastle fans loved him because he was better than they thought they could get, just like Carlo at Everton. Chelsea fans hated him because of his Liverpool days, and even though he steadied the ship and won them a cup they wanted him out. He needs to be loved, and he will never be loved at Everton. He also makes a habit of pissing off owners.

Would love Conte. It wouldn't last long but it would be fun.


Bill Gall
169 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:45:44
Kieran @162,

At Liverpool, oversaw Liverpool's worst run in 22 years.

You can also say at Liverpool from 2004 until 2010, played 350 games, lost 79, and had a winning percentage of 55.4% At that time, he was in conflict with the owners who Liverpool supporters got rid of.

I have an open mind on who Everton sign as a manager and will back whoever it is; I just want them to make sure they get the best available – not a rumour.

Mick O'Malley
170 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:47:48
Kenwright should keep his nose out of the managerial appointments. If he is really pushing for Benitez, then he deserves every bit of abuse he will get. Mind you, Moshiri is just proving to be as bad at picking managers.

This is so depressing; I will be absolutely gutted if we appoint Rafa.

Christopher Timmins
171 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:51:19
Can we have less hysteria about some of the candidates. We are not all going to be happy whoever the manager is but this idea that people are done with the club if a particular candidate gets the job is not on. If you support the club, then – whoever the next manager is – he should be supported and given every chance to improve things.

We had the same hysteria when it was mooted back in late 2019 that Moyes was coming back.

Be it Rafa or Nuno, I will be supporting them.

Kieran Kinsella
172 Posted 16/06/2021 at 16:57:27
Bill,

I will ultimately support whoever it is, be it President Assad, Bielzelbul, Gerrard. I have no choice. I can't support the team and the not the manager. I just hope it's not Rafa.

Tony Abrahams
173 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:25:19
Maybe the powers that be have finally had enough of Bill Kenwright, and are starting to release a few little untruths themselves? Highly unlikely with him just being admitted onto another board regarding the stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, but I can't see him wanting Benitez.

I've also been told that both Moshiri and Usmanov quite like Rafa, but again this is nothing but pure speculation on my part, because it's nothing more than a guessing game up to now!

Conor McCourt
174 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:26:53
Kieran@162- excellent post.

It's funny how we all see things differently. Over 50% want Galtier after Lyndon's article. Personally I think this would be a crazy appointment because if anyone suggested him last year he would be laughed out of town.

They win the French title primarily because PSG exploded under Tuchel and they finished top in a tight league where four teams fought out a close finish. I think back to Paul Le Guen at Rangers who won three successive French titles at a canter before becoming a joke figure at Ibrox.

Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:42:34
Conor

Good point on Le Guen. Similar with Garde and Puel. I'd say it's a red flag that Lille were happy for Galthier to leave, as they announced mid season for mediocre Nice. Then they decide to hold him to his contract after the fact just to cash in on his surprise success. Also reminds me of a fellow named Wim Jansen at Celtic. Won the league to end Rangers' long run of dominance then left and sank into oblivion. Based on that one season he was awesome, obviously there was more to the story.

Soren Moyer
176 Posted 16/06/2021 at 17:56:26
Tony, 156,
I think Barry means this:
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/06/16/bill-kenwright-pushes-for-everton-to-hire-rafa-benitez-as-fractures-emerge-behind-the-scenes/
Ian Bennett
177 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:32:38
TalkSport claiming Rafa is near to signing. Breaking news...
Ray Roche
178 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:34:27
The FSW is about to be confirmed as manager.

FFS!

Thomas Richards
179 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:39:57
"The FSW is about to be confirmed as manager."

Now would you take Martinez?

Jamie Crowley
180 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:42:08
I swear to God, if we hire Benitez I'll go mental.
Ray Roche
181 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:43:45
Thomas, I would take Fat Sam before Benitez now. Colours to the mast, I don’t want him but I hope he proves me wrong.
Christy Ring
182 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:45:02
Conor #174,

Good point on Galthier.
Bill should have no say in the new manager, he sold his majority shares, and Benitez's CV over the last 10 years is abysmal.

Jamie Crowley
183 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:47:41
It's not done, it's rumo(u)r Ray!

I'd rather Beelzabub get appointed than Benitez.

We officially have zero pride if we appoint this guy. Zero. It's mortifying and embarrassing we'll go to a man who managed them and called us a small club.

Just no pride. Sickening. If this happens I'll be beside myself.

Kieran Kinsella
184 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:49:20
Jim White is Tweeting it now too. Funnily enough, my brother in-law is a sports journo who knows one of the board. He told me the day Carlo left that Rafa would be next. I laughed and have continued to laugh up until now.
Kieran Kinsella
185 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:51:11
Nuno fell through cause BK told him his check would clear in the morning.
Ray Roche
186 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:55:27
Jamie @25,

I hope to God you’re right and talkSport are talking shite.

Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:56:41
I read something like that a few days ago Soren, and that’s why I asked Barry, where he had got his information from mate. I don’t know for an absolute fact, but I was told Benitez, was having his third interview with Everton, around this time last week, but then at the weekend I read an article stating that sky’s Vinny O’Connor, said Everton, hadn’t even spoken to him.

Speculating again, but the only way Kenwright would want Benitez imo, is if it was the only way Duncan Ferguson, could stay on at Everton, but I’m not sure any of us no anything, and when my source asked his mate was Rafa still in the frame because his nephew, was waiting on a big bet, the reply was tell him I’ll buy half the bet.

Jamie Crowley
188 Posted 16/06/2021 at 18:59:03
Can someone more familiar with these things tell me / us what the odds have gone to with the bookies on Benitez?

Curious.

Barry Hesketh
189 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:21
Soren @176,

Thanks, pal, I searched all over the place for that, missing the second half of the Russia game too (didn't miss a lot). Nuno must have been asking for the earth and a say in transfers for Benitez to have a chance of the Goodison gig.

Martin Nicholls
190 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:01:37
Jamie - Benitez now 1/3. Santo 6/1.
Andrew Ellams
191 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:03:00
Ray, where has that come from?
Ray Roche
192 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:05:55
TalkSport interrupted their commentary to say that they understand Benitez is to be named Everton manager.
Brian Harrison
193 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:06:35
Jim White at talksport who seems to be on Moshiris whats app group is saying that Everton are to announce Benitez as manager. Moshiri you are clueless, if you think Allardyce was resented by Evertonians you aint seen nothing if you appoint Benitez.
Benn Chambers
194 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:07:46
All the people fuming over Nuno. I bet he’s looking rather appealing now isn’t he.
Neil Copeland
195 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:08:06
Odds are shortening by the hour it seems: Rafa 2/9, Nuno 6/1 next after that is Ralph Rangnick at 25/1.

Suggests the bookies are pretty convinced to me.

David Pearl
196 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:09:48
Have I died and gone to hell?
Anthony Murphy
197 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:10:08
Where does this leave Brands if true? Benitez likes total control of football matters
James Flynn
198 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:13
Benitez's name has been floating around. Is the Echo reliable?
Barry Hesketh
199 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:26
Don't panic, lads, it's only as the canteen manager and silver service head-waiter on match-days...

(Oh God! what have we done again!)

But the upside is he will have a lot to prove and, if he can motivate our players, who knows?

Johan Elmgren
200 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:11:45
No no no NO NO! Not the fat spanish waiter!
Rob Halligan
201 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:19
SSN now saying he's been offered the job. Looks like a done deal to me!
Paul Hewitt
202 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:12:54
Welcome to Everton Rafa.
Paul Swan
203 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:13:16
At least there won’t be a banner with Benitez picture on it up the side of Goodison - they couldn’t find a tarpaulin big enough
Brian Williams
204 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:15:14
Of all the available managers what the fuck qualifies him to be our next manager, apart from living fucking local?
Gutted if true.

He'll be on the phone to Carragher laughing his fucking head off.

James Flynn
205 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:16:35
Okay. Sky Sports has it. Could be Moshiri tipping off his buddy Jim White.
Barry Rathbone
206 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:28
What a great laugh this club is
Alan Johnson
207 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:44
Can't believe this. Shite Manager - Shite club. Thats the end for me after 64 years loving the blues, I feel like I've been ditched. It's over for me.
John Crawley
208 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:18:55
Just say NO NO NO! Past his best and never the same since his assistant Pako Ayesteran left him. Football has moved on and Benitez is a defensive minded manager. It'll be George Graham being appointed to the Spurs job all over again, never accepted by the fans and one bad run away from the crowd turning on him.
Tom Harvey
209 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:24
Could it be that our squad is so bad that it's frightening away any decent managers, that is unless the club agrees big funds for the new manager.

Any manager with half a football brain has looked what Ancelotti went through and thought, no thanks.

Beneathus, Dunc and maybe a few odds and sods here and there are the only viable candidates.

Paul Smith
210 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:20:56
Happy with this - good move. Sensible, lives local, good pedigree and might think he’s unlucky not to have been approached before Carlo.
Anthony Murphy
211 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:07
Another lazy appointment.

I think this is Moshiri not Kenwright personally.

Live forum time?

Matthew Williams
212 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
Please don't ruin my day, Everton, for fuck's sake!

RedShite Rafa... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Kenny Smith
213 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:09
I’m absolutely fucking livid. The people’s club…..well listen to the people not Kenwright Moshiri. If you won’t now you will next season when it goes tits up. I’ll have to bring a cushion from home to lob from the main stand after he’s lost 2 in a row at home.

Rob Halligan
214 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:29
Danny # 134, remember this.............

I know they'll go and blow this out of the water by announcing Benitez this afternoon, but are we waiting for and in negotiation with an international manager who is going to announce his departure after the Euros?

Have you got this weekend's lottery numbers?

Ray Roche
215 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:30
Paul, my sister’s dog is sensible, lives locally and has a good pedigree.

Shite manager though.

Paul Hewitt
216 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:23:37
For God sake calm down. We were never going to get a manager everyone wanted. The list of names wasn't very good. Rafa is probably the best of a bad bunch. Just get behind him and he may surprise us.
Jim Bennings
217 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:31
We need to back the new manager, whether that is Rafa Benitez (as it looks done) or not.

Yes he's got a past history with Liverpool but so what, Peter Beardsley didn't do too badly for Everton did he?

As for the "small team" jibe, it came as a heat of the moment lapse because we had frustrated them in the derby twice that season and that was then, this is now.

Give him a chance to redeem those words, there's no way he's going to take a job and be a deliberate failure.

Pat Kelly
218 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:24:57
Rafa is now on the verge. Local lad done well.
Colin Glassar
219 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:15
Not bothered anymore tbh. Moshiri and kenshite are embarrassing us as both are a pair of inept tw@ts. They know sweet FA about football and are digging us into an even bigger hole.

If it is the FSW then I wish him all the best. He’d better win the treble next season or he can fuck off!!!!!

Fran Mitchell
220 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:26
I seriously can't fucking believe we are offering him the job.

This has got to be some joke.

He's past-it, arrogant, plays boring football, done nothing in years, demands huge budget, doesn't develop young players and he's a fucking redshite.

Fuck this shit.

Moshiri: Time to get the fuck out of our club.

Ed Fitzgerald
221 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:25:50
Neville Southall was on the radio earlier and was adamant he shouldn’t be appointed. They clearly don’t give a fuck about the fans I give up.
Kris Boner
222 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:26:17
Not to sound hyperbolic but I will flat out refuse to watch an Everton managed by the Fat Spanish Waiter.

Not only is the football going to be turgid, conservative guff, but I think he's a right detestable bloke as well.

Brian Williams
223 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:01
Ask yourselves. Would them lot EVER hire an ex Everton manager?
There's the difference.
Michael Kenrick
224 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:27:48
Well, I think Tony Abrahams's passionate desire for a 'united' fanbase – which I have openly snorted at because I think it is a ridiculous concept – may well be dealt a mortal blow here if there is any truth to this.

What an astounding way to divide the fanbase!!! But it means lots of angry debate on ToffeeWeb. Which is always a lot of fun.

Perhaps I should declare a vested interest...

Barry Hesketh
225 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:48
I reckon somebody at Everton put a rather large sum of money on a double of Allardyce and Benitez being appointed Everton manager within five years, at fantastic odds back in 2016. Who's next Dalgliesh?
Soren Moyer
226 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:28:58
Galtier's leaving Lille has nothing to do with the club wanted to get rid of him ffs! He has fallen out with the new owner because he wants to sell any player with saleable value.
Also he is not another Le Guen. This huy builds a decent team from whatever is available to him and his teams play an expansive footy. Paul Le Guen belongs to a different era where PSG was another team like Nice, Lyon, etc before they were bought by sheik whatever his name is.
Colin Glassar
227 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:29
Sick as a parrot with this but that bunch of useless wasters at finch farm won’t know what’s hit them when Rafa the gaffer rolls in.

He’ll get them fit and organised. There’ll be no arm around their shoulders. No cuddles or shared fags. In fact, he just might get them playing as a team. I’m still gutted though.

Barry Hesketh
228 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:30:36
Imagine if Rafa turns the club down after being offered the job, or would that be a good outcome?
Kieran Kinsella
229 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:31:16
Next we will have Admiral Donitz as commander of the Royal Navy
Brian Harrison
230 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:00
He has been out of work since Jan after leaving Chinese side Dalian Yifang, not even Mike Ashley wanted him back. Steve Bruce has accumulated more points than Him. Moshiri/Usmanov take your money and fuck off out of our club, there is no up side, you have slowly turned my club into a joke and if the rumours are right you are about to make us an even bigger joke. This man has done nothing for years, and some think he is the best option wow if thats true then this club have sunk to new depths. I would imagine Moshiri is not planning a visit to Liverpool from Monaco any time soon as he will find his reception very hostile.
Paul Smith
231 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:20
We’ve had Hollywood managers who fucked off with the first bit of minge that turned their head, we’ve had flavour of the month managers who nearly took us down, we’ve had past stars as a mangers who preferred golf than organising a football team, we’ve had mangers that can go on cup runs that were shite and talked shite, we’ve tried everything.

Is Rafa boring, yes, an ex RS yes, but he is steady and that’s what we need for a few seasons, the club has been chaotic for too long.

Pat Kelly
232 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:34
Rafa may be better in the long run. Nuno and his crew along with Mendes boys would've been a reverse takeover. Mendes would take the management team and new signings out whenever it suited him.
Thomas Richards
233 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:32:42
The fan base in the mid 80s was united Tony
Winning trophies has that affect.

Our away fans are very much united. Every single week.

Kieran Kinsella
234 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:33:57
Is there a formal process for leaving the happy clappers or is it like Brexit?
Tom Harvey
235 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:05
FOOK!!!

Paddy Power Beneathus @ 1/25

Kris Boner
236 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:34:40
I have viewed the opinions of not only this forum but also Grand Old Team and the r/Everton reddit.

This is quite frankly the most divisive move the Board could have made and it is a guarantee that if the fans are in the stadium during any loses they will make their opinions on him very loud.

Personally, I hate it and I'm well aware I'm not alone. Working from home is going to be a blessing so I don't have to deal with any Kopites any time soon.

Michael Lynch
237 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:02
14th August is going to be interesting what sort of a reception will he get?
Barry Hesketh
238 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:25
Brian @216
I think there has been a manager who has occupied both dugouts but it was back in the early days. William Edward Barclay (14 June 1857 – 30 January 1917[1]) was the first manager of Everton and also the first manager of Liverpool, working with club secretary John McKenna. This has been disputed by some from across the park as they maintain that Barclay was only an administrative secretary and Mckenna was responsible for on-field affairs.
Geoff Lambert
239 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:33
Just got in from work and I am met with this news. Unfucking believable. The fat Spanish waiter who called us a small club and has done nothing in years.
I give up with this club bunch of armatures from the pitch to the boardroom.
Nick White
240 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:36:38
Sky Sports News😮
Barry Robson
241 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:37:14
Brian 214. Red shite would hire anyone they believed would take them forward.
And if that meant hiring anyone from Everton they wouldn't hesitate.
Tom Harvey
242 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:00
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12334318/rafael-benitez-everton-close-to-appointing-former-liverpool-boss-as-new-manager
Jay Evans
243 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:17
I thought we were a laughing stock a few weeks ago when Ancelotti dropped us like a bad habit but this is beyond belief.

I can’t get behind him, sorry.

I know I should but I just can’t. Maybe he was right when he called us a small club because this is a small appointment.

Barry Rathbone
244 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:38:52
I've banged the drum for yonks about new footy ground builds being the harbinger of doom and with the first spade in the ground just months away so it begins.

The odds of relegation just before or in the first season of BMD led by another agent of the reds must be shortening by the minute.

So glad I don't take this club seriously anymore

Soren Moyer
245 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:00
Its a bloody nightmare if its true!!! I don't even blame FSW because its all Fucking Kenshite's fault! We're not going places until this charlatan is at the club.
Shane Corcoran
246 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:39:40
As I said at the start of the process, the bookies and the media change their imminent appointment story around once a week.

If Benitez gets it I’ll be very interested to see Everton fans’ views. Not because I care bit more whether they’re on a par with Chelsea fans who acted like clowns from his first day there.

Rob Halligan
247 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:19
The videos will be getting prepared, and the photos of the scarf holding by the Everton badge at finch farm have already been taken before the official announcement. This will be confirmed at 9pm.
Andrew Ellams
248 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:40:52
If he comes he'll be another one who'll be gone before the new stadium is open. We must have the most incompetent board in the league.

Moshiri Out!!!

Michael Barrett
249 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:15
Rafael Benitez the new manager. All over the papers... god help us.
John Beesley
250 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:36
If they install him as manager I am giving up my season ticket and not watching Everton until he is sacked
Colin Glassar
251 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:43
Our lovely neighbours are pissing themselves laughing on Twitter. Who can blame them? The morons who run our club don’t give a toss what the fans think. They want prem survival which the FSW will provide.

At least I have my euro fantasy football league (which I’m currently leading) to look forward to. Next season is going to be murder.

Barry Hesketh
252 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:42:50
I think Benitez explained what he meant by the 'Small club' jibe it was more to do with Moyes' Everton being happy to sit back and take a draw, that bit of history doesn't overly concern me, the real issue is he going to transform Everton from Carlo's Everton and I don't think he is. I remember his Liverpool side being top or close to the top one Christmas and he went to Boro looking not to get beat rather than take the initiative and going for the win, my RS pals still go on about it today.
Ray Roche
253 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:43:32
Barry@232

I just can’t see Benitez taking us forward in the manner that would be acceptable to most fans. We might just as well have kept Big Sam and saved a shed full of compensation.
FSW is not renowned for scintillating football.

Geoff Williams
254 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:05
Moshiri is totally clueless. Absolutely everything about this appointment is unpalatable. Even forgetting he is a former RS manager the man is wrong for the job. Another aged manager whose successes are in the past. What on earth has he got to offer the fans other than another season of sterile, negative football. If he lasts 18 months then I'll be surprised. And why do you want to manage "this little club" Mr Benitez? "Because I live on the Wirral and no else wants me". I wish I'd waited longer before renewing my season ticket.
Mick O'Malley
255 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:17
Brian@221 My thoughts exactly, I don’t care how much Moshiri has spent cos nearly every penny of it has gone down the drain with his managerial appointments, Does he really think the majority of Blues are going to forgive his small club jibe and get behind Rafa, he better sign some decent players and get off to a good start cos if we play like we did last season Rafa and Moshiri will get to hear a hostile Goodson
Robert Tressell
256 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:44:38
Apppointing Benitez would, for me, be about as low a moment as I can think of for Everton since the dark days of Smith, Walker and Kendall Mk III. Worse than the embarrassing appointment of Allardyce by some measure.

Above all, it's humiliating. The club is treated as a laughing stock anyway especially by RS fans but this would take it up several notches. The has-been former manager of our lauded neighbours, someone who publicly belittled the club, sat in our dugout. Seriously?

Benitez has a crap CV since the mid-noughties, is linked to no other jobs of note and is linked to us solely on the basis that he is out of work and lives locally.

It would be an admission by the club that no one of any quality is remotely interested. And who can blame them? Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti couldn't last more than 18 months.

I still can't bring myself to believe it and expect Nuno but if this happens I'll feel as empty as I would with a relegation.

Conor McCourt
257 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:05
Don't worry just yet as he's only went to 1-4 on betfair with punters only wanting to back at 4-6. Essentially they are saying he's favourite but not nailed on and with Nuno ruled out someone has to make the market.
Tom Harvey
258 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:45
Only three bookies are now offering odds and when they disappear our fate will be sealed and we will be the biggest laughing stock in British football.
Paul Hewitt
259 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:45:54
What if he actually wins us something?
Robert Tressell
260 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:46:26
Paul # 249. He won't
Marc Hints
261 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:31
Well I don't like it either but I will give my full backing. We will all be singing his praise if he gets us into the champions league. We have had players move from our neighbours to us so no different. As long as Rafa puts his heart and soul into the job and moves us forward then I'll be happy.
Ed Fitzgerald
262 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:48:37
Get real, Barry he knew what he was saying, he knew it was provocative, he knew it played to the hordes of auks at Mordor. And we have just employed him FFS
Pat Kelly
263 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:49:10
I'm prepared to give him a chance and see how he does.

For those opposed to him just just regard it as Benitez on the verge of becoming Everton's next former manager.

Tony Abrahams
264 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:16
Openly snorted at, because it’s a ridiculous concept Michael. I’d say that’s written by a man who has never witnessed, or forgotten what it’s like, to see Everton winning things, me thinks mate?

I’ve heard the protest-plane will be flying tomorrow, but it won’t phase Benitez, and I genuinely think if the press are reporting that Kenwright, was behind this, then the other two have had enough of him now, and are going to try and stitch him up.

Brian Williams
265 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:27
Geoff#244.
Geoff I'm pretty sure the club will allow you to reverse your renewal if you ask in the near future.
I'll know for sure tomorrow, if this is true.


Tony, ffs nobody's going to put the club at risk just to stitch Kenwright up!

Andy Riley
266 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:36
Trying to take a detached view - I don’t want Benitez for loads of reasons but perhaps in some way he has impressed some people who if appointed they think he is the best person for the task in hand (whatever that is). You would have to think that some of the decision makers realise that he has more negatives than Allardyce when he was appointed but whatever positives he has displayed must outweigh those negatives. The most obvious negative to me from the decision makers perspective is that Mr Benitez must be what could called a challenging or difficult member of staff but they must think the positives he offers outweigh that.
Tommy Meehan
267 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:50:43
Beggars belief if true. . . how much more negative, shite football do we have to endure?
Anthony Murphy
268 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:05
You’ve got to worry how this will play out. I honestly can’t work out what Moshiri is thinking here.
Barry Hesketh
269 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:51:46
I can understand the angst and even to some extent the anger, but at the end of the day we don't support any single manager we support the team, of course, we can all decide not to support the team or stop attending games, but if we decide to continue to support the team, we have to make the new manager feel welcome, none of this 'you're not wanted' malarky he was interviewed the board appointed him and we have to hope he does a good job.
Tom Harvey
270 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:52:19
Is big Dunc really that bad that we'd step over him for "tres cervezas por favor"?

This is a fucking disgrace.

Andrew Ellams
271 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:08
Goodison Park is going to be a rough place to be next season. Benitez either gets it right from day one or the crowd will be merciless.
Peter Brogan
272 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:37
I think we need to get over the Liverpool connection with Rafa. That club have had plenty of players for example who deemed themselves to be Evertonians: Rush, Fowler just to name two. We need a proven winner and a manager that understands the Premier League and has a European knowledge of the game (he has won the major trophies... his CV is immense).

Step forward, Rafa, and make Everton great again with some Silverware. We need to move forward – not keep looking in the past. Let's give the guy our full support – he's certainly got mine.

Christy Ring
273 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:53:46
Absolutely stunned, did they not check his CV for the last ten years. Guys definitely leaving the happy clappers group. Has Bill turned Moshiri??
Gary Willock
274 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:04
#FSWOUT - what times the protest?
Kieran Kinsella
275 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:54:53
In less controversial news EITC are sponsoring the Jimmy Saville Memorial Orphanage in conjunction with the Rosemary West Benevolent Fund
Jamie Crowley
276 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:55:13
Michael @ 215 -

I vow to you to grab the banner and lead the anti-Benitez charge on TW if this shithouse becomes our manager.

Shithouse used purposely.

I will go scorched fucking earth.

Oliver Molloy
277 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:18
Honest to God, I really thought I didn't give a fuck who was the next manager as long as it wasn't Gerard, but l was wrong, I really can not believe Moshiri / Kenwright / Brands JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT !

David Pearl
278 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:56:53
Hmm Kelly Dalglish is now second favourite
Gary Willock
279 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:57:29
The ones prepared to give him ago, are the same people who fart in elevators. No consciousness of the anger around you.
Jamie Crowley
280 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:21
Gary - worse than that.

They shit in a public stall and don't flush.

John Charles
281 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:58:44
My goodness me. How low can we go. A man that openly mocked us. Who managed THEM. Who got Newcastle relegated. Who swanned around China doing bog all except racking in money. Who places dire defensive football.
The RS are pissing themselves at us. Their old has been cast offs.
Get Steve McMahon in as his number 2!
Unbelievable
Peter Hopkins
282 Posted 16/06/2021 at 19:59:40
I am stunned,absolutely stunned, not only is he an ex red, but he’s done naff all for years,it’s a joke and I am done,if this is true then I am off this ridiculous ride that is Everton,we put our hearts and souls in to supporting this club yet those in charge just keep making absurd decisions. I’m so annoyed!!
Bob Skelton
283 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:32
God we do not need the controversy this will bring. If this boys pen Bill's idea he needs to go...
Tony Abrahams
284 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:00:48
Brian W, I’m just speculating mate, but if you think this is putting the club at risk for obvious reasons, then the greatest Evertonian in the world must surely have similar views?
Neil Copeland
285 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:22
All those wanting to give up their season ticket, can I take one on please for my daughter?

If it is Rafa then so be it, not my preference but as always EFC will have my full support come the start of the season. And considering that Rafa looks likely to be employed by EFC as manager he will have my support to.

Peter Hopkins
286 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:01:54
It’s on the red echo now, I bet they are pissing themselves too. Still annoyed!!
Dale Self
287 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:04
Kieran, It is a damn shame and an indictment of society today that the Ghislaine Maxwell Make a Wish foundation had to withdraw due to some frivolous legal claims. Pfffffft.
Anthony A Hughes
288 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:18
If Ancelloti was a dinosaur ?.....it'll all end in tears
Jamie Crowley
289 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:02:33
I'm printing out pics of Rafa to tape to my targets when I go shooting.

Joke.

Soren Moyer
290 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:03:28
"Benitez close to taking Everton job"!!! Even sky sports news headline is wrong. Sounds like he is doing US a fucking favor!
Dale Self
291 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:03:49
I'm offended that that is a joke Jamie. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.
Kieran Kinsella
292 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:09
Dale 276

She was probably the most honest party involved :/

Marc Hints
293 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:11
Well Alan Myers on twitter has just said he has not been offered the job
Joe McMahon
294 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:42
I am concerned he hasn't won anything for a good few years, but I seem to be in the minority that would accept him (Gary @268 No I don't fart in lifts). I'm just pleased it's not Moyes or Unsworth (he really is a lot bigger than Big Sam or the FSW). If it happens it's just another chapter in this car crash of a club.
Barry Hesketh
295 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:04:53
Gary @268
I think the only things that any supporter can do is either support the team and by default the manager, or go and do something else with his/her time. Demonstrations against the appointment will not change the minds of those who allegedly lead the club, so it would be a futile exercise, no matter how much anger surrounds the decision.
Kieran Kinsella
296 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:00
Marc

Never met you but I could kiss you for sharing that glimmer of hope

Anthony A Hughes
297 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:19
Making his mind whether to belittle himself at a small club,,
Rob Halligan
298 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:25
Wouldn't be the first manager to manage local rivals. George Graham was in charge of both arsenal, for nine years, and spurs for three years.

Players and managers come and go. The club has been around for 143 years, and no doubt will be for a further 143 years. I support the club, not the manager. If he comes in, so be it. When we score I won't be cheering Benitez, I'll be cheering the team and the player who scored. The only manager I never wanted, and was totally against, was Fucking Allardyce! Not saying I totally want Benitez, but let's just see how things pan out?

Jamie Crowley
299 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:35
Hopefully Everton have an internal requirement that the manager pass a physical.

Then we'll be in the clear.

Fran Mitchell
300 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:05:43
11 years since he left Liverpool. His final seasons there marred by him trying to sell Alonso, spending money poorly, and demanding more money.

He then Joined Inter Milan, who had just won the Treble (League, Champion's League, and Cup). He once again demanded a huge budget to deflect the blame for him taking them to 6th in the league. And was sacked after just a few months.

He then spent one season at Chelsea, who again we're holding European Champions and was chased out after one season.

Then 2 seasons at Napoli, which saw the club decline of over his spell and failing to qualify for the Champions League in his final season.

Then 6 months at Real Madrid, as the fans just would not accept the abysmal style of football being played.

Then Newcastle, which saw relegation, then promotion, then survival in the premier League with abysmal football and constant demands for more money to spend.

Then China, where he achieved nothing.

He's currently 61 and unemployed and there are very few clubs who would hire him.

Why oh why

What on earth.

Horrified. Truly.

Moshiri get the fuck out of Everton

Robert Tressell
301 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:06:35
Hoping Benitez will lead us to the Champions League would be like Man Utd appointing Avram Grant in the hope he'd win them the trophy. The reality is that Benitez is now of lower standing than Steve Bruce. This is a man to keep us 10th with limited investment while we build a stadium - in the process robbing us of any dignity. Desperately hope it's not true.
Kunal Desai
302 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:14
I refuse to believe this, only a week ago Nuno was certain to be named manager.
If however, it is Benitez this tells you everything you need to know about our board, thick as shit and haven't a scooby in what they are doing.

Sadly there isn't any hope this club will ever progress. They've already tarnished the club with appointing Allardyce and now potentially this joker who would finally get to manage a small club afterall.

Pathetic if true, these people simply have no shame. Start up the demonstrations should this appointment happens.

Gary Willock
303 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:07:54
Barry, if you want to give up and do something else that’s up to you. I was here before Bill bought us, and before moshiri bought us. I’ll hopefully be here long after. This is MY club. Our club, and I’m fucked if I’m not going to make my feelings known everywhere I can. I’ll be in the bullens, but I’ll be booing Rafa and screaming for him to fuck off. You sit and clap and do what you want.
Kieran Kinsella
304 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:38
His agent was quoted a few weeks ago as saying "he'd crawl through glass" to get the Everton job. I say, prove it.
Marc Hints
305 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:08:57
Let's hope he gets the job then Kieran haha
Tom Harvey
306 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:09:10
He's well past his sell by date, there isn't even a crumb of comfort that he is capable of winning anything.

Moshiri is starting to make Kenwright look like quite the wise old football sage and that's really saying something.

Sack Brands now, what's the point in his existance at this club.

Jamie Crowley
307 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:06
Rob -

Your support of the Club is unbelievable. It's commendable and fantastic.

But even you, surely once taking off the blue specs, can't be in favor of this???

Rob, he called the Club that is near your life and heart a "small club". He's always been a snarky little fucker towards Everton. His recent managerial results and CV is shite.

How can you be behind this, or if that's a bridge too far, how can you even want to see how things pan out? We're looking at bottom half if we're lucky, shit boring football, all orchestrated by a fella who's thumbed his nose at us and publicly insulted us, and managed THEM!???

Oliver Molloy
308 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:07
I am calm again - this will not happen.
Anthony A Hughes
309 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:10:50
I wonder how far down the list Benitez was?
Barry Hesketh
310 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:11:31
Gary @292
I think you've misread my post, I was merely pointing out what options are available to supporters if they disagreed with something or were so angry about a decision made by the board.
I'll be there on August 14th as per usual covid situation notwithstanding.

On reflection I misread your response, you can do as you please, but I don't know what you'll achieve by shouting and bawling at Rafa - if he comes - it certainly won't help the players.

Andrew Ellams
311 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:19
How many of the players are speaking their agents right now? And I don't mean Iwobi, Bernard or any of the other clowns.

This clubs is many years from winning anything or playing in Europe but still we can all smile when Moshiri pockets a fortune by selling the club with the shiny new stadium.

Michael Kenrick
312 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:35
We are clearly gonna get some very funny posts from some very angry fans. Not sure about your correlation there, Tony @254.

Although the puzzle for me is why the fans would not be united in protest against tolerating lousy managers who have us playing lousy football? Darren told me that was because there are too many Happy Clappers amongst our number, who have of course cheered those wins (you silly man) but will always support the manager because he is appointed by the club.

I wonder if the club consulted the much-vaunted Fans Forum on this seemingly incendiary matter?

Something suggests not...

Simon Dalzell
313 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:12:44
He's a fair way down my list, but above Nuno Santo.
Jamie Crowley
314 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:14
it's like a die-hard Catholic converting to the church of Satan.

I'm just going to start practicing drawing pentagrams for kicks.

Brian Williams
315 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:50
Tony#273.
Sorry mate I don't understand your latest post. Not being funny.
I thought your original post suggested the Moshiri and Brands were trying to give Kenwright enough rope to hang himself if it was him who pushed for Benitez?
I questioned whether they'd put the club at risk just to do that?
Stephen Vincent
316 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:13:54
Alan #200 #240, with you both after 60 years of following this shambolic club I really can't stand any more. The appointment of the FSW is a total betrayal and an insult. It will make us a complete laughing stock.
Gary Willock
317 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:14:39
Barry - you said our only options are to accept it and get behind it or give up and do something else. That’s not true. We can fight and make our feelings clear. If he’s appointed that is exactly what I intend to do. I’m sure thousands more will too.
Eric Yarker
318 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:08
Don’t forget the added bonus is that he’ll be bringing Sammy Lee with him...
Jamie Crowley
319 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:15:45
Someone answer this:

What is the intellectual thought process behind even considering this clown??

Joe McMahon
320 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:16:31
Does anyone know if Nuno was offered the role, but wanted his own assistant and not Dunc? This Rafa news has come from nowhere when we were expecting Nuno to be announced all week.
Dale Self
321 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:17:18
Jamie, I suggest you listen to a bit of Pentagram. Hopefully it doesn't lead to an arrangement of naked women bowing around a diagram on your floor but you never know. Kurt would approve.
Simon Harris
322 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:00
I'm still sticking with my cynical post of yesterday that they are playing us, so the impending Nuno announcement is met with relief rather than underwhelmed - blah (which is my feeling towards his appointment). Loads on twitter saying they'd rather fat Sam than Rafa.
Conor McCourt
323 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:17
Obvious Jamie, Carlo was no magician so we went for a clown
Brian Harrison
324 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:52
Rob

I hated the appointment of Allardyce, but he didnt try and publicly slate our club like this man. I wish I was magnanimous enough to say I support the club not the manager, because for me the two are inextricably linked. At this moment in time my plan is to sell the games for my season ticket on stub hub until he has gone, hopefully a shorter tenure than Allardyce.

Maybe we need to hire the red who fired a rocket launcher into the Liver buildings, not because Moshiri the part owner of the building had said anything derogatory about LFC, he did it just to show how much they hate Everton. I am sure this appointment will have them screaming with laughter, and even if it all ends in tears in12 months we will never be able to remove the stain form our club.

Pat Kelly
325 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:18:56
On the positive side think of all the great Chinese players we'll be signing.
Kieran Kinsella
326 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:19:44
Gary

If it comes to pass, any protests shouldn't just be focused on Rafa it should be on all of them. The crap players who keep causing managerial changes, the crap DOF who keeps signing crap players, the crap owner who seems like an elderly abuse victim being robbed of his savings, and above all the crap chairman who brought in the crap owner. It's like the lady swallowing the fly scenario. One bad thing leads to a resolution that's making things worse.

Tony Abrahams
327 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:20:49
What I’m suggesting Brian, is that I don’t personally think that Bill Kenwright would want Rafa Benitez, to manage Everton. But, there have been some reports in the press that Bill Kenwright, has been pushing for Rafa Benitez. Maybe Kenwright has pushed for Benitez, and got his choice, but it just seems highly unlikely imo, and that’s why I’m wondering why it’s being reported that Benitez is Bill Kenwright’s call? Put the blame on Bill, maybe?

Not sure about my correlation Michael, suggests it’s something you’ve never actually witnessed, maybe.

Pete Baker
328 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:03
Maybe it's a plan... as we thought Nuno was an uninspired choice, Rafa as a rumour, then Nuno doesn't sound such a bad choice! When you chuck in Moyes, who did us proud 8 years ago but no going back, as the three major options, you have to be really worried about our whole decision-making process! It just feels we lost a whole opportunity to add something dynamic to our football from the top... kind of like our team performances this year!
Dale Self
329 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:21:46
So which of you are subverting the natural and brilliant assumption of Rafa by pumping Galtier so much that he is trending twitter for the Everton job?
Terry White
330 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:07
Gary, (306),

"Fight"? That is exactly what Trump suggested which led to the Capitol invasion in Washington in January by his deluded followers. Is that what you are suggesting?

That you and others of the same view as you should attack Goodison Park or Finch Farm? If not, then you should choose your words more carefully.

Rob Halligan
331 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:22:21
Jamie # 296.

At the end of the day, there is fuck-all anybody can do about it. I'm not giving up my season ticket just because I don't want the manager who's about to take over.

Those who say they are, or those who say they've had enough, SEE YA, DON'T LET THE DOOR SMACK YER ARSE ON THE WAY OUT!!

If it makes you feel better, then I'm pleased for you, but you won't be missed!!

Brian Williams
332 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:23:33
Brian #313.

I'm glad I read your post because you've suggested an option I hadn't even considered.

I was in a quandary as giving up my season ticket would mean having little or no chance of getting one for Bramley-Moore Dock when the Fat Spanish Waiter would be long gone.

You've come up with the prefect solution, cheers!

Anthony A Hughes
333 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:24:42
If you think ToffeeWeb was at war over Carlo, wait until this fella loses a couple of games...
Dave Lynch
334 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:16
Win the first 6 games and all will be forgiven.

I couldn't care less if he pissed on the Street End corner flag, results is what matter.

And don't give me all this bollox about "We are Everton, we have class etc." We are shite and a shambles; if he can turn that around, I'll love the man.

Julian Exshaw
335 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:25:23
I get the fact that there were no stand-out candidates but, if this happens, I'll be disappointed. Is this really the best we can get? Is he a game-changer? I fear not. Time will tell but it smacks of desperation to me.
Ian Edwards
336 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:26:04
As with every Manager, I will initially support them until such time as I deem them to be failing. Benitez wouldn't be my first choice but I definitely don't want Nuno.

Do I have to join the Happy Clappers?

Paul Hewitt
337 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:14
Dave @324. A bit of sense at last.
James Head
338 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:26
This club is a shambles on and off the pitch but there is no way the pathetic board will employ that arrogant Fat Spanish Waiter. This stinks of a softening up process to prime the supporters for an underwhelming appointment; makes me think either Howe or Potter are on their way.

SACK THE BOARD!

Barry Robson
339 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:27:59
So many worried about what the Red Shite are saying. I thought we don't care what the Red Shite say? Or is that just for the song?

Let them laugh. Because if he turns the club around and we start challenging for honours, they'll be fucking laughing on the other side of their faces. He is not my preferred choice... but give up my season ticket? No fucking chance. UTFT!

Stephen Brown
340 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:02
This is a new low! What is the point in this?

Even if we accept it to a point, 2 defeats in a row and it'll be toxic!

I'd honestly rather Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew, Alan Curbishley, Tony Pulis...

Conor McCourt
341 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:29:52
Ian, I think it's the happy clapper at this stage.
Anthony A Hughes
342 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:31:17
Not sure if I'm a "happy clapper" or "holding the club to account" on this one.
Daniel A Johnson
343 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:00
Fucking hell... I'd rather have Mark Hughes or Phil Neville.

Nuno must have pissed on someone's chips not to get it.

Dale Self
344 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:15
Ahem, you lot are the happy crappers. You're welcome.
Bill Gall
345 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:32:34
Well, I guess if Benitez becomes manager, it will be a big bonus for us supporters who live abroad; with all these supporters giving up their season tickets and others not going, we will be able to get tickets when we come back for a visit.
Kieran Kinsella
346 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:03
Ian Edwards

You can have my happy clapper spot, been trying to flog it on Ebay but someone flagged it as a scam.

Stephen Vincent
347 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:33
Eric #313 not Sammy Lee, but very possibly Phil Pinocchio Thompson.
Ian Edwards
348 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:33:58
Mark Ogden of ESPN has just said it's a straight battle between Benitez and Martinez, who is open to a return.

Martinez for me out of that choice. No doubt at all.

Brian Williams
349 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:14
Barry #338.

If he doesn't have us challenging for honours, but instead has us struggling, which is far more likely than the former going on his recent and not so recent achievements, the other lot will be laughing on all sides of their faces and it's something they'd never ever let us forget.

Mick O'Malley
350 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:26
I care what he said about us, and he won't turn us around. Look at his last half-a-dozen jobs for the evidence.
Oliver Molloy
351 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:34:41
Joe @ 315,

Nuno has a huge team apparently and wants every one of them at his next club, so Palace told him to fuck off.

I do not believe Benítez will be appointed.

Andrew Ellams
352 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:36:44
This is not just a man who managed them, but he was even sacked by them.
Ian Bennett
353 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:13
Alan Myers saying he's not been offered anything yet, but is in talks.
Anthony Murphy
354 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:17
Well Mancini seems to have the Italians all fired up and playing as a unit - A quick call to his agent and who knows?

Like I said, a lazy appointment - lives locally, prem experience and wants the job.

My only hope is that he’s quite bloody minded and has an arrogance that may help - he won’t give a feck what anyone thinks or who he upsets.

Gary Willock
355 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:30
Terry, you must be particularly obsessed with the Orange Man to equate my determination to run this horrendous mistake out of our club with the Capitol Hill riot. Give your strange obsession a rest, please.

Kieran – I think you're right, if this happens, the rot is deep. I'd hope the backlash against Rafa would force a domino to fall above. If it doesn't, then it's Moshiri and he needs to go too. Enough is enough.

Julian Exshaw
356 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:37:36
Can we have another ToffeeWeb poll about this before it's announced? A last-minute appeal??
Will Mabon
357 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:38:52
Simon @ 321, it's a sad reflection of the way things are played today, that what you speculate is entirely possible. What a world. I'm still erring towards cluster fuck, but we'll see.
Barry Hesketh
358 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:39:18
Wait until Rafa appoints Danny Murphy and Jamie Carragher as his assistants and makes JonJoe Shelvey the Captain. :)
Joe McMahon
359 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:32
Thanks Oliver @350,

No, we defo don't want a big team. I don't think he will be appointed either. But, if he is, he is thick-skined and got a lot of protests by Chelsea fans but he still got then the Europa League and 3rd in the Premier League. But yes, it was a few years ago.

Tom Harvey
360 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:40:51
Benitez is a disaster waiting to happen. When he hits a poor run, the fans will show him no mercy and why should we? Remember Benitez will be a big manager at a small club, he shouldn't have any difficulties managing us, yes?

I wouldn't worry too much about whether season tickets will be available in the new stadium should some give them up now in protest, there will probably be plenty and at a cheaper price... They can't charge what they are now for the Championship or League One.

Mick O'Malley
361 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:42:41
If it is going to be Rafa, let's hope he can find us an Alonso and a Torres.
Mike Gaynes
362 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:43:03
I can't believe we'd hire Rafa.

I also can't believe Roberto would leave the Belgium job a year before the World Cup.

But Mark Ogden of ESPN is quite a credible reporter.

So I guess one shock or the other might actually be happening.

Either way I'll still get on a plane to come watch.

Paul Hewitt
363 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:44:25
He's NOT been offered the job apparently. That's from a few in-the-know journalists.
Tom Harvey
364 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:00
I can believe it and have no faith in the parvenus that run our club.
Anthony A Hughes
365 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:05
Commence Operation Shitshow
Ray Roche
366 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:44
Paul, any links to these journalists please?
Pat Kelly
367 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:45:59
Benitez appointment to be announced tonight, if, I mean when, he returns from his tour of Bramley-Moore Dock with Dunc.
Colin Glassar
368 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:00
Alan Myers says he’s NOT been offered the job!!
Tom Harvey
369 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:09
Paul,

There's only two bookies offering odds and at silly odds.

Ray Roche
370 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:46:22
364
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tom Harvey
371 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:36
Pat.

Let's hope big Dunc does him in and throws him in the dock.

Paul Hewitt
372 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:52
Everton might just be testing the water. See what sort of reaction he would get?
Ray Jacques
373 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:47:55
On no, he called us a small club over 10 years ago and I am still upset by it and struggle to sleep.

Grow up.

The club is a shambles; hopefully this man can change the mentality. I am okay with him taking the job.

James Flynn
374 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:48:51
Since it started from Jim White, maybe Moshiri used him to float it and then check Evertonians' responses.

I'd bet ToffeeWeb isn't the only Everton site displaying outrage.

Michael Lynch
375 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:23
First home game, Big Dunc lays the nut on Rafa's fat head and the Street End go crazy as Ferguson calmly walks the length of the pitch and into the Lower Bullens to watch the game with the fans.
Mike Gaynes
376 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:48
Ray #364, here's the ESPN story:

Everton in talks with Rafa Benitez over coaching vacancy, Roberto Martinez also a candidate - sources

Pat, you're in midseason form today.

Ian Horan
377 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:49:51
I said at the start of the week, with the delay naming Nuno, don't be surprised it's Rafa as he will happily keep Duncan to pacify the fans... Nuno wants a clear-out.

Kenwright has gone for Rafa to keep Duncan here... What the fuck have Everton FC come to???

Chris Gordon
378 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:20
The most divisive appointment in the club's history... WTAF goes through the minds of the Everton hierarchy?? They never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
Will Mabon
379 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:47
I'm wondering how one distinguishes an in-the-know journalist from one that's out of the know.
Tom Harvey
380 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Ray,

Can't wait for your lone voice at Goodison "O Rafa we love you yes we do.. O Rafa...".

Kieran Kinsella
381 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Michael 374

First thing that's made me laugh since the Rafa rumor broke lol

Bill Gienapp
382 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:51:31
Ian (347) - god knows I'm not clamoring for Roberto to come back, but if he loves the club so much that he's willing to walk away from Belgium before the World Cup... you have to respect that.

(that being said, I'd be absolutely stunned if he was willing to walk away from Belgium)

Ray Jacques
383 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:53:10
I know Tom, but if we are doing well it will soon change and I can have a duet!!!!
James Flynn
384 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:55:52
"Alan Myers says he’s NOT been offered the job!!"

Alan Myers actually said, "My understanding is that Rafa Benitez has NOT been offered the Everton job at this point, talks however have taken place."

Dale Self
385 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:56:50
So this could be psy ops to get us okay with Roberto. I would have taken a look without the Rafa garnish. Kind of like the parsley you never touch with the utensils.

The article states explicitly that Roberto has Brands backing as well as the barnacle. Supposedly Moshiri is the Rafanator.

Dave Williams
386 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:58:22
Who else is there? On these pages we have said:

Nuno – too defensive and poor last season
Howe – no defensive nous
Duncan – too inexperienced
Dyche – long ball merchant
Potter – too inexperienced
Conte – Champions League manager
Simeone – Champions League manager
Moyes – too divisive and never go back
Galtier – had one good season
Argentinian bloke – who????
Roberto – poor with us after first season and never go back

Rafa has dropped his 'elite manager' status but strikes me as hungry to prove some people wrong, especially across the park. He will bust a gut to beat that shower and show he still has it. He will be vocal on the touch line, he will get us properly fit and he will not tolerate the timid approach of our serial losers.

His "small club" comment was just sour grapes after we stopped them from getting a much-needed 3 points and I can forgive him that.

I'd much prefer someone else but of all the guys listed I think he could be the best bet.

I just hope that he gets a good start and regardless, I will back him all the way because the club is bigger than any one person and matters above everything else.

Tom Harvey
387 Posted 16/06/2021 at 20:59:47
Mike Gaynes
388 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:11
Dave Williams #385, gotta say I love your optimism, even if I don't necessarily share it.
Matthew Williams
389 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:01:29
It seems some of my fellow Blues obviously didn't watch much of Newcastle when he was their gaffer?

Dull and dire... write off the new season if this nightmare happens.

Andrew Ellams
390 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:30
Anthony @ 353, Mancini is going nowhere before the World Cup
Anthony A Hughes
391 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:02:58
A sincere apology (in these times of constant apologists) should suffice, Rafa, with regards to your past misdemeanors towards the mighty Blues.
Neil Copeland
392 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:04
Latest odds; Rafa 1/10, Nuno 6/1, Martinez coming in at 16/1.
Marc Hints
393 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:11
Rafa is in the Titanic, apparently.
Bobby Mallon
394 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:03:33
You lot clambering for Rafa... are you serious? He's ex-RedShite, for fuck's sake! I wouldn't want Klopp so I don't want Rafa.

Why would the fucking chairman want a fella who ridiculed the club and want to split the fan base? Honestly, you lot think other managers have had stick. If he gets off to a bad start, watch the fucking fireworks.

Moshiri, go pay Conte or Potter loads of money to come... but not fucking Rafa!

Will Mabon
395 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:04:06
Tom, they say "Set to take over" in there, not has taken over. We can suffer a while longer yet.
Brian Murray
396 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:29
Uninspired, lazy, no vision, all short-termism if The Waiter gets the nod. Another Sam stop-gap to see us ambling safely to Bramley-Moore Dock.

Thanks once again, Bill, as your parting legacy because this has your dabs all over it. I can see Brands's resignation very soon. We must have the most idiotic of billionaires on the planet. Forest Gump with money.

Fuck off, Everton, I'm done with you. Headlines tomorrow: Galtier named boss. Coyb – ain't no stopping us now! 😂

Brian Williams
397 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:05:33
Mark #392.

No, that's where Evertonians wish he was, and I don't mean the hotel.

Tom Harvey
398 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:07
Mathew @ 388,

Moshiri will be happy with dull and dire if it get's him to Bramley-Moore Dock in the Premier League, he wants another Moyes.

The thing is, this is the best league in the world and, if you're not going forwards, you're going backwards, it's a dangerous strategy to just try and survive.

Derek Knox
399 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:12
The only way I'll get behind him is at the Pier Head with an outgoing tide!

Can somebody please, please, tell me this isn't happening!

Sean Kelly
400 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:35
Feels like the board are pissing on us from a great height. Disgraceful disrespect to all Evertonians.
Anthony A Hughes
401 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:06:53
In the Titanic bar with Riquelme
Dave Williams
402 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:07:41
Mike #387- I am always optimistic in life which drives my wife bananas at times. It is much nicer than being miserable which I could easily be over this.

As a fan since 1963 I want to see a young, vibrant and attacking team and I don't know where that will come from. But sometimes life can surprise us all!

Tom Harvey
403 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:08:44
Derek,

C'mon in your best singing voice "O Rafa we love you, O yes we do!.. O Rafa"

Ray Roche
404 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:01
Mike @375

Thanks Mike, the Martinez link is interesting. But not without a top fitness and defensive coach!

Kim Vivian
405 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:10:04
Sounds like at least it might be easier to get a season ticket next year. Anyone selling before I join the waiting list?
Anthony A Hughes
406 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:35
You can't teach an old fat Spanish waiter new tricks, expect, bland defensive football.
Neil Copeland
407 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:45
Kim 404, get in the queue, I asked first!

Derek 398, it’s not happening mate

Bobby Mallon
408 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:46
If there was a time for protesting it’s now. This chairman and board need to know he’d not wanted we want a manager to inspire the fan base and get a tune out of this team
Barry Hesketh
409 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:12:49
I think the directors of Everton are stuck in a time-warp, they've appointed three experienced managers, Allardyce, Ancelotti, and Benitez, if appointed, who were at or near their peak in 2005, and they continue to buy players whose best years are behind them.

How ironic is it, that if Ancelotti hadn't have lost that CL final in 2005 against Benitez's team, our history could have been very different?

If Roberto was to come and join Benitez, one doing crazy attacking scenarios and the other creating ultra-defensive plans we might find a way of winning more games?

I bet it's Nuno appointed tomorrow as the board gets tired of playing with Evertonians emotions.

Liam Mogan
410 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:40
Until we get rid of the shitshow that makes up 90% of our squad then any manager will just follow in the footsteps of the last 4/5. Dire, uninspiring football is the 'new normal' I'm afraid. Will fit Rafa down to the ground. Anti-fooball and attrition.

I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

Paul Birmingham
411 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:13:44
As an Evertonian, Ill embrace the new manager and I hope they give their utmost to Everton.

Well never know but after the Italian job, the clubs lawyers should have been sacked and so the club could be playing safe, in my view.

Life’s battles don’t always go and we don’t always get what we want.

But if the case regardless of whom is appointed, its how Everton, as a club, react, improvise, and overcome.

The club has got to get some consistency as we are anguishing our lives away in respect of EFCs long term demise in football terms.

Nows the time to turn Everton around and get some belief and success on the field.

But who knows but I expect by this weekend Everton, should have announced the new manager.

UTFT!

NB The Euros have been decent and some good excuses to have match nights and beers, hopefully soon celebrate a new Everton manager or as respectfully drown the sorrows.

It’s a funny old game.

Dale Self
412 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:08
This is Belgium's last chance and Roberto knows he is not a rebuilder. ESPN is stating that THEY are informed that it is a straight choice between FSW and BBS. Welcome back Bobby! Get some different color shoes just for the hell of it.
Ben King
413 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:14:20
Nightmare scenario. Honestly. Is it too much to want to like the guy in charge?

I’d honestly rather have Stevie G laa rather than this provocative guy

Chris Hockenhull
414 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:15:02
Dale (384). Jeez….that post…you been sniffing drainpipes whilst reciting the alphabet or what???????????
Sean Kelly
415 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:16:46
Watch this space. Next up the merger. We will go from FSW to FSG. Teary bill will line his pockets with gold and fuck off to aladdins cave
Andy Crooks
416 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:42
Rafa will not be our new manager. Prison holds no fear for me.
Kevin Molloy
417 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:48
The one thing we do not want to do is start giving Moshiri grief. Not cos he's a great guy or anything, but because the club without his cash is utterly stuffed.

If he sees some big fan protest about his latest choice, he may think "I'm sick of this, I'm out!" And if he does that, we are extremely vulnerable to him fire-selling Everton and we would drop like a stone.

Conor McCourt
418 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:17:54
Please Bring back Bobby not the bobbing balloon
Dale Self
419 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:20:10
Chris 413, I know maaaaan. Not really excited about retreads but given the split in Everton's family I think I could get by with some of Roberto's attacking flair if he would get a damn defense coach. The time elapsed with no other candidates suggested does lead one to think Bobby Brown Shoes is not out of the question.
Fran Mitchell
420 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:17
I'd take Martinez back. I'd be curious to see how he'd be after a few years experience.

Belgium are probably due a change their 'golden generation' is aging,and while there ar new players coming up, probably time for a fresh start all around.

Martinez won't get a 'top' job, I wouldn't think so 'unfinished business' could be a good thing. He has always spoken highly of Everton when working as a pundit, and his ideals of football do align with those of our fanbase.

He'd have a good deal more contacts now too, so his workings in transfer market could be better and I can see him working well with brands in wanting to sign young players.

Benitez will want to sign Rondon and some other 30 year olds.

Anyone but Benitez. Christ, I'd have Joey Barton before Benitez.

Jay Harris
421 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:28
Just came back to expect that we had got Nuno and was prepared to be underwhelmed.

Instead I read this and have to say I am totally and utterly disgusted.

NSNO - don't make me laugh. Sir John Moores will be turning over in his grave.

If this is the best Moshiri, Brands and the dickhead can produce, then I am out until they are gone.

Dale Self
422 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:21:55
if Moshiri seriously risked his credibility by backing Rafa then he deserves any and all criticism levelled.
Anthony A Hughes
423 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:16
Calling Mr Brands, calling Mr Brands: Have a word, mate!
Tony Abrahams
424 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:22:52
Debatable that Kevin, I’d say Everton, is way to valuable to him and his Uzbek friend, especially if they’ve got a chance (I’d guess they already are) of getting in bed with Peel.
Kevin Molloy
425 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:23:08
Fran
Benitez signed Rondon cos Ashley wouldn't give him any money. When he had dosh to spend at Liverpool his recruitment was better than Moyes.
Soren Moyer
426 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:09
James 373. Others are fuming about it. Just an example:
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/everton-fc-news/manager-news-rafa-benitez-3/
Kevin Molloy
427 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:26:29
Tony,

I know a lot of people say that this thing is gonna be a goldmine for him with Peel and everything. I'll be blowed if I can see how and why.

Certainly if he wants to exploit the Peel angle, at some point he needs to come up with nearly half a billion, and that's just to get us where we are now but with 10,000 extra seats.

Paul Hewitt
428 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:07
I really can't believe some want Martinez back. He's utterly useless.
Tony Abrahams
429 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:27:38
I'm going to watch some television, something with subtitles so I've got to really concentrate, because I think it's going to be one of those long sleepless nights, especially when the thunder starts later.
Fran Mitchell
430 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:28:36
His signings at Liverpool...like selling Alonso and signing Aquilani?

What I most remember from Benitez is his teams declining, and when they declined, he would start making a huge fuss about not getting enough money to spend.

He did it at Liverpool. He did it at European Champions Inter. He did it at Newcastle.

He'd do it here. as soon as results go sour, he'd be saying it's cause he can't sign the players he wants.

And in general his transfer record is pretty poor, with a few decent players scattered about.

Soren Moyer
431 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:29:21
No FSW, no Martinez either!
Dale Self
432 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:30:23
So who will be the Martinez no. 2?

Sorry Soren but that is all ESPN is putting on the menu and one of their writers signed the byline. It looks like a thing.

Barry Hesketh
433 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:32:45
Most of us believed that it was Usmanov who might be bankrolling Moshiri, I'm thinking it might be FSG as they've benefitted the most from the shenanigans at Goodison for the last 5 years.

Just watched a video clip of Andy Gray and Richard Keys both of whom think that it's a huge mistake for Everton to even contemplate appointing Benitez. Usually, I don't agree with them too often, but in this case, I think they're spot-on.

Kevin Molloy
434 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:33:50
He bought Alonso, and then wanted to replace him with Barry, who I think would have been the perfect foil for Gerrard. Mascherano, Torres, he bought Crouch and Bellamy for buttons, he built an excellent defence: Agger, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, he picked all these players up for bargain prices. He knows the market very well.
Will Mabon
435 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:34:45
Soren, I got 9/10 in the Everton quiz there...
Mark Murphy
436 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:14
Fuck off, Everton.
Just fuck off.
FOTFT!
John Daley
437 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:27
As it's come from the lips of Jim White…basically a more Brahms and Liszt Lord Charles with a looser bum hole… my hope is this is merely someone at the club working his gob by manoeuvring a hand up there to gauge how aghast or not-arsed the fan reaction would be, before hopefully backing off like they did (initially) when ‘Big Sam' was originally ‘set to be' appointed. First time. Before he actually fucking was.

If Benitez were to be given the job it would be bordering on the final straw for me.

It would also beg the question what is the actual point of Marcel Brands? It would make a complete mockery of the Director of Football role for there to have been three managerial appointments made since he mooched through the door and all three end up being Moshiri's men….all seemingly handpicked using his failsafe method of a phalanx of monkeys flinging magnetic letters at a fucking fridge:

Moshiri: “This one, this one here, look… it almost spells ‘Rafa Benitez'”

Marcel: “Erm…*sniff, sniff*… that's a splat of actual monkey shit, sir. One of these dirty little bastards must have ran out of letters”

Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! A hard arsed veteran trained to win by attrition, who we found semi-retired but still in his prime, stick-fighting motherfuckers for money in murkiest Thailand.”

Marcel: “You're getting Rafa mixed up with Rambo 3 again, sir. Benitez is the veteran ex RS boss, bit of a prick who basically called us a bunch of poxy bellends, hasn't won anything for ages, got relegated at Newcastle and spent semi-retirement sat on a bench mopping sweat from his moobs in murkiest China, while silently repeating “Think of the money, think of the money, think of the money”, over and over again, before leaving by mutual consent.”

Moshiri: “Ah Benitez! Boggly eyed fella. Boring as fuck. Could get here on a bike. I like the cut of his jib, Smithers.”

Tony Abrahams
438 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:35:51
Laurie Hartley once showed us how a football stadium helped kickstart the regeneration of Melbourne Docks, Kevin, and the returns were absolutely incredible mate. I'm sure that was the main reason that Usmanov sent Moshiri to Everton, but only the future will tell. This has created billions upon billions of Australian dollars, and the regeneration is nowhere near complete.
Colin Glassar
439 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:37:33
I’d take Roberto and Thierry any day over the FSW and NES. I’d still prefer Mancini out of all of them, or Luis Enrique.
Will Mabon
440 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:38:56
I think I want Ferguson now.
Kevin Jones
441 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:39:22
I haven't renewed my season ticket yet and would seriously consider not doing so if Benitez gets the job. He's one horrible bastard, ask Steve Heighway.

I know a woman who worked at the Kirkby training ground and everyone there hated him. He didn't even go to his own Dad's funeral because Liverpool had a game... who the fuck does that?

Please, Everton, stay away from this arrogant prick.

Anthony Dove
442 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:00
I don't understand the variety of arguments put forward against Benitez. There is only one which is relevant. He managed the Red Shite. I despair that any blue would try to find some justification for appointing him.

I have to renew my ticket before 30 June so hopefully a decision will be made by then. If It is Benitez, then it's goodbye from me.

Paul Smith
443 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:41
We are a deluded bunch, honestly. Won fuck all in decades, 4 out of 5 seasons we have sacked managers due to being too close to the relegation spots, we called for big Sam, hired mangers who had just managed relegated teams, and some on here are calling for Mancini and going hysterical over Rafa. We’ve lost all perspective, we’re a bit shit guys and have been for years.
Brian Murray
444 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:48
You know the saying give me a lucky general before a good one. Where the waiter came from they edged ghost goals to get in champ league final. Handle balls on the line etc so he may bring some of their satanic luck with him. Nah mate stay over the water and regail about your sniping about us and daylight robbery in derbies and cup semis and so on yer beaut.
Jeff Armstrong
445 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:43:57
I want John Daley on the board of directors!

Whatever happened to the club engaging with the fans? another load of flannel.

Paul Hewitt
446 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:44:32
If Martinez gets it, I will lose my shit.
Jamie Crowley
447 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:19
OMG I'd dance a fucking jig naked on the banks of the Mersey, after tackling a massive fear of flying in airplanes, if Roberto was appointed manager.

I'd support Roberto coming back under any circumstances. But if it's a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Fucking Benitez???

Slam DUNK for Bobby!

Kieran Kinsella
448 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:46:30
Brian Williams/Derek Knox

Hahaha love both ideas

Allen Rodgers
449 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:48:22
I would take Martinez over Benitez, or any other contender, if he brings Lukaku and De Bruyne with him.
Andy Crooks
450 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:29
John Daly, good to see you posting again May I assure you that I will not allow Rafa to be our new coach.
Dale Self
451 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:30
I certainly give great weight to Mike Gaynes' observations on Martinez as a club coach. At this point however, with the candidates in view and the undoubted adjustments they would have to make to get right with the Everton way, a return of Martinez would likely sooth some of the locker room toxicity and avoid any disappointing expectations. Both sides know what they're getting here and that is unfortunately a big plus after the previous breakdown.
Soren Moyer
452 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:49:47
Its not gonna happen just because ESPN says so.
Dale Self
453 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:51:37
not necessarily, just that someone with some journalistic credibility has attached their name to it. Depends on your opinion of Ogden.
Brian Murray
454 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:46
Roberto is like the fella singing zippedy do dar with me blue bird on his shoulder even after another naive hopeless defeat. Great positivity in life but sadly he’s not an earthling.
Jamie Crowley
455 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:52:59
TW just moved this from the Rumor to News section.

Did you hear that? I just cocked my Glock.

Thomas Richards
456 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:33
Your better glocking your cock Jamie.
Safer.
Brian Williams
457 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:54:50
Jamie, I'm guessing that's better than if you'd Glocked your cock?
Nick White
458 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:00
I don’t want Benitez. But some of the comments saying to get Martinez back? No no NO! I can only assume those who have posted (and no offence to you) we’re not match goers. Post season 1 some of the most boring, rigid, turgid football I’ve had to witness. No flexibility, no lessons learnt, no plan b. Just hope that the opposition manager hadn’t studied us. Almost all the goals we scored were in the same games. Leaky defence. No heart. That West Ham game, 2-0 up, missed a pen, down to 10 men. Brought on Niasse! Lost! Never had a walk back to the car taken so long as everyone wanted to vent! That doesn’t include the derby when he should have been sacked on the pitch at the final whistle. We never want him back!
Barry Rathbone
459 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:55:02
The only positive I can see about Benitez is he is a belligerent bugger who doesn't mind upsetting players and board alike. He's savvy enough to realise most of this crew need chasing and doubtless tuned in to the fact he will get all of 5 mins to do it from the Goodison faithful

If he and Brands do the necessary straight away he could be on to something but this perennial mantra has been unheeded every summer.

Oh! the other good thing is he effectively put Liverpool into liquidation.

Jamie Crowley
460 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:56:20
Brian -

Debatable.

Colin Glassar
461 Posted 16/06/2021 at 21:59:01
These last few weeks have been so depressing.
Jamie Crowley
462 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:00:22
I just realized - I won't be excited to travel to Orlando to see the team if Rafa is appointed.

Hand on heart, I'd just be like, blah.

I'd go. How many times do I get to see the team play in person? I'd look forward to seeing the team play, and honestly I'd look forward to meeting some TWers.

But excited like I was last time they came to South Florida? Nope. Not under Benitez.

David Pearl
463 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:01:01
I would take Richard Madeley over Beneathus. In any case l want Brands, amd Brands alone to handle transfers. Thats all of them. Not 3 of his and 3 of Carlos, or 4 of his and 3 of Silvas. Or 4 of Walsh and 4 of Koemans. Arrrrghh fucking Everton. Has anyone not recognised this pattern, and wonder why we go around in circles.

And now this

Michael Lynch
464 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:03
Interesting that the poll at the top of this article shows the fans actually are divided - 46% made up or satisfied, 54% disappointed or gutted.

Mind you, there was no option for "suicidal" so maybe a few of us didn't bother ticking a box.

Tom Bowers
465 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:04:27
He is the latest in a line of experienced managers who have achievements but may no longer have the Midas touch.

It matters not that he was with RS and more the fact that having been unable to do anything with the Barcodes what has he been doing since?

Admittedly his problems at Newcastle could have been down to Mike Ashley more than anything else but I am not sure he is the man to elevate Everton. We shall see but these days I find it hard to have any optimism about Everton after what happened last season.

Victor Johnson
466 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:01
Nil Satis Nisi Turgidium. It was probably high time that we changed our motto anyway. Get ready lads for lashings of turgidity served on a silver platter by the FSW.
Barry Robson
467 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:06:10
Michael Lynch fucking brilliant. Made me laugh out loud.
Andrew Gaule
468 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:07:33
He is a top class manager. I hope we appoint him.

He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year.

Paul A Smith
469 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:08:30
The thought of the Gwladys singing this jokers name makes me shiver with illness.

"He still lives on the Wirral you know" seems to be his strongest point these days.

Ex red as Everton manager. Kendall must be turning in his grave God Rest his Soul.

Anthony Dove 447 take a bow mate.

Will Mabon
470 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:11:23
"He is a top class manager. I hope we appoint him. He has the nous to get Everton into the top 4...somewhere we should have been this year. "

Andrew - exactly what was heard (and thought) last time.

Matthew Williams
471 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:11:29
Grim news indeed,all I wanted was a Jock manager (not Moyes) and some Welsh players.

Does our board really hate us this badly!.

Nick Page
472 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:13:16
Imagine not wanting a manger cos he managed Liverpool. Get over yourselves FFS. I’d rather have Gerrard as captain too than that fucking charlatan pretending to be Chairman and his cronies anywhere near the club. If you want to focus on something focus on that fraud….and how to get rid of him/them.
David Pearl
473 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:14:24
Paul, the good thing is that the Gwladys already has a couple of songs for him.
Stephen Vincent
474 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:16:09
Can't believe that any self respecting blue would give a millisecond's thought to having as our manager a fat Spanish has been, whose bug eyed visage is printed on a very large flag and passed around Mount Doom for the orcs and goblins to worship.

Unfuckin believable.

Rob Dolby
475 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:19:46
Kevin 439. He might have known the market very well almost 20 years ago. He has done nothing for a long time. An ambitious owner and club wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Make no mistake this is a pension top up for an outdated manager living off past glories. In hindsight Ancelotti was the same.

I just hope this is lazy journalism.

Brian Murray
476 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:11
Mathew. One member of it has done us more damage than shankley heysel etc. To efc. Until that changes we could have pep there and nothing will change. Totally cursed with ineptitude
Benjamin Dyke
477 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:21:49
I reserve judgement until he's actually been appointed and we've seen his team play. His RS links are a huge stick to hit him with if we start badly or play badly. But to me he's ok until his team performs badly consistently. And if he does well and gets us playing solidly and with actual passing and running then I don't care about his past.

The sexy candidates don't want to come. We're left with Howe, Martinez, Nuno, Dyche, Potter (would he come now?), Ferguson. Who else?

Oliver Molloy
478 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:22:15
Red shite fan on talksport saying "Liverpool legend even considering the Everton job " is a disgrace, he is showing no loyalty to Liverpool.

i agree 100%...

Dave Lynch
479 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:24:34
Nick@ 477.

Well said that man. Fucking grow up will yis, the past is the past.
He has pedigree unlike Eddie fucking Howe, who would have us relegated in a heartbeat.
Potter is no better either, what do you want? No manager at the start of the campaign.

Matthew Williams
480 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:25:41
From a once proud,historical, progressive football club to this!.
Andrew Laird
481 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:26:44
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Haven’t we suffered enough ffs!

Marcel Brands what do you do exactly?

Jamie Crowley
482 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:27:45
If growing up entails having no pride, hiring a man who's publicly belittled us, and hasn't done shit for years in fact failing at every turn, to lead this beloved Club forward?

I'll stay young, immature, and childish, thank you very much!

Phil Lewis
483 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:47
I despair. This is an unbelievable backward step. This man will succeed only in causing further unrest in the ranks. He is a fraud. We have missed the opportunity to secure the services of Nuno Espirito Santos. A much younger, fresher, tactically astute man. Shame on you Kenwright, our club will continue to stagnate while you, Baxendale, Unsworth and all the other hangers on remain.
Benitez appointment is the final nail in the coffin for me. This whole business stinks.
Jamie Crowley
484 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:28:51
My Mum just told me to pick up my room.

I've chucked my toys out of the pram.

Christine Foster
485 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:30:33
I wonder if the board realises that to many of us he is tainted so badly it would never be acceptable? Even if he won a hatful of trophies for us, none of them would shine? I think I am with Jamie on this one, Martinez with all his bluster and faults would be far more of a relief even if we never won a thing. Nuno seems intent on shooting himself in the foot again, so you have to wonder what's going on. No matter who is appointed it's clear that any choice of the candidates offered has split tw into camps extreme in it really is becoming a Hobson's choice unless something is pulled out of a hat that we don't know about yet. Woke up here to a damp and dreary day to match my mood! Ancelotti you have a lot to answer for!
James Flynn
486 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:32:59
Soren (457) - "Its not gonna happen just because ESPN says so"

Not to mention, the owner who fired him. . . . . . . is still the owner.

Hard believing anyone would want this bull-shitter back.

Jamie Crowley
487 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:33:10
Oliver at 485 -

A great point!

Any man who's coached them, and then years later turns around to manage their rivals? It speaks to character.

You have to have none to do something like that.

I'd not manage the Red Sox and then manage the Yankees.
I'd not manage the Bruins and then manage the Canadiens.
I'd not manage the Celtics and then manage the Lakers.
I'd not manage the Packers and then manage the Bears.

Pond Scum do that sort of thing. No matter how much time has passed.

Jamie Crowley
488 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:34:37
Christine -

It's nice to be on your team. An honor.

Your moral compass points north in my book.

Brian Murray
489 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:37
Just curious I wonder if this kopite has been when he sees our away support every other week sold out will still think we are a small club ?
Paul Whittaker
490 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:35:40
Positives
He’s won things
He’s bought well in the past
He speaks English
Lives in the city
He wants the job when he neither needs the money or the aggro that will hit him from both clubs supporters

Negatives
Previous club
Previous animosity towards the club
Small club mentality of recruiting your neighbours rejects
Apparent boardroom unrest/splits appointment will/has caused
Supporter unrest and disillusionment at clubs decision makers
Won or achieved nothing in past 10 years
Outdated football philosophy?

Rob Dolby
491 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:20
Nick 477. If we attracted him whilst he was actually winning stuff I would be happy and 20 years younger. Reality is he hasn't won anything for a long time. Football has moved on since his tactics worked.

If he is appointed he will be sacked within 18 months.

An ambitious, progressive club would be looking at a manager that has a hunger to win and prove himself. Not one that is living off past glories looking for a pension top up.

Why don't we approach, cappelo, swen, van gal, scolari or klinsman after all their success was also 20 years ago.

Joe McMahon
492 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:36:54
Food for thought, as many posters like the history in the game. It didn't bother Man Utd fans when Sir Matt Busby gave them so much success. He played over 200 appearances for Manchester City and over 100 for Liverpool.

We all have our opinions, but If Rafa arrives I'll get behind him like all Everton managers (yes inc Big Sam). Personally the only Everton manager i've been glad to see the back of was Walker and Moyes.

Michael McLoughlin
493 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:39:29
I just wonder If Kenwright and Moshiri are Kopites in disguise
Dave Lynch
494 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
No they don't Jamie.
Being a football manager is a job, just like any other job.

Its what they do for a living and whatever team they manage they support and protect them.

Put your toys back in the pram... there's a good boy.

Barry Hesketh
495 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:40:38
Michael @500
I'm not sure they're in disguise :)
Ray Roche
496 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:44:43
Just wondering how high on Spurs potential managers list is Benitez?

Not there? Well why is he on ours, and why has he been unemployed for 6 months?

Peter Thistle
497 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
It gets harder and harder to support Everton, sigh
Gavin Johnson
498 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:47
I have a big aversion to this happening but am also very intrigued.
Denis Richardson
499 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:46:50
Not really sure why there’s so much anger at this. He left Liverpool ages ago.

He still loves the area and never moved away so at least has roots, which is not what you can say about most of the others. Santo apparently wants to bring in a ridiculously large back room staff and wants a huge salary, which is also why Spurs said no sharpish.

Benitez has got pedigree and won trophies in England before so why not? Can’t be worse than any other person who’s managed Everton in the last decade. We haven’t even reached a cup final since 2009 never mind doing anything in the league or winning anything.

I would have liked Benitez years ago being honest and if he’s comes, so be it, I’ll for one will be happy. Give the guy a chance and let’s see what he can do (if he comes) before we joins him out.

As usual our squad needs an overhaul (say the same thing every season). So will be interesting to see which players we can get whilst trying to keep our best.

Need to fill about 5 positions in the first XI!

Mark Ryan
500 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:25
Liverpool is just one club he has managed.
There will be those that will not not give him a chance even if he wins every game and gives us a league title. To all those I would say just get behind the team. He's not coming because he wants an argument. He's coming because he wants to be a winner. He clearly believes in himself.
He'll get my support because we are in the gutter right now as a club and we need to get out of it. Ancelotti has left us high and dry. Take your spite out on him if need be but whoever takes over, Benitez included, needs to to be given our backing, the backing of the fans. Lets not let the club down. Lets not be petulant, let's try and have a good season. It's time to come out of the doldrums. Whoever takes on the job will get my full support. The time for sulking is well and truly over. We have had years of crap to moan about. I stood in the Gwladys Street aged 8 back in 1970. It's time we all get behind the club again and drag ourselves out of this mire
Neil Cremin
501 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:48:48
I'll nail my colours to the mast and he excites me as much as Martinez, Koeman and Silva.
If we were taking a risk, I would have gone with Nuno and more reluctantly Potter.

Wishing for managers of National teams is delusional, why would you leave the manager of Belgium, Italy or Spain to take on the poison chalice of the Everton job when the likes of Carlo couldn't hack it and looked to get out the first change he got.
Wishing for marquis managers is just that wishful thinking see comment re Carlo above. Who would take the risk.
Looks like we have a choice of Benitez and Nuno and to me the role of Ferguson is the key.
At one stage last year when we had Sam, I would have considered Benitez but now for some reason I am luke warm.
Hopefully, he will grow on me when we stop leaking goals, start winning a few matches by the odd goal and are nicely secure in 5-8place in league. Then in the Januarly windown he unearth a bargain of a midfield dynamo who will bring us onwards and upwards to the next level.

Paul Smith
502 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:49:39
With Dave Lynch on this, it’s a career and they crave success wherever they go. Couldn’t give a monkeys if he managed Liverpool or supports Liverpool or adorns his fuckin man shed with liver bird bunting as long as he gives his all for Everton as he will be employed to do and if he’s shite he can be jibbed.
Andrew Bentley
503 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:50:42
The worry here is that if we do take Benitez and we don’t start well then we’ll all turn on him quicker than for any other previous manager (even Allardyce) due to all the reasons everyone has outlined.

This has the potential for a really negative outcome

Rob Dolby
504 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:17
Joe 499. Football has moved on a lot since Busby. It's a global game now with the highest standards of every aspect. Tactics and players are at an all time high.

The game has moved on since Benitez glory days. Much in the same way for Mourinho, Ancelotti, van gal etc.

Money talks with City and Chelsea paving the way. This appointment signals that Moshiri wants an experienced prem manager that can keep us in the division not challenge.

Can anyone see Moshiri appointing Benitez and then bankrolling him to break our 4 year old transfer record multiple times just to try and climb a few places? I can see another loan in January for another no mark whilst we hover around mid table.

Jamie Crowley
505 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:51:29
Dave -

Managers, CEOs, CFOs, anyone in a leadership position, can demonstrate loyalty to employers and former employers throughout their time on earth.

It's called fealty. And it's a marvelous human characteristic in the main.

People who say things like, "it's just a job", justifying turncoats and courses of action that benefit themselves, are selfish dicks with no regard to others feelings. Not every time, but in this case, that's how I see it.

Aw fuck. I need to clean my room again.

And lastly, it's a brave thing to tell people pissed off that some jack wagon who's on the verge of becoming manager of Everton, and who verbally shit on the Club and demeaned them, to grow up. It's really brave. Are you the arbiter of maturity?

I'd suggest you look at this slightly differently, and mature your own thought process. I'd wager most adults don't welcome into their ranks others who have demeaned family members.

Rafa demeaned the Everton Family in my opinion. I don't want him any where near this Club. That's not immature. Paternal, protective, pack-oriented thinking possibly. But immature, nah.

Now Rafa - FUCK OFF.

^^ That was immature, and it was cathartic as fuck. I loved it.

Bill Gall
506 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:53:00
Just another name been drawn out of the hat to go along with the other 12 or more managers we have been told was our next manager.

I do not think he is a good choice but not because of what he said about the club, as if I was lucky enough to have the qualifications to have managed Liverpool just calling Everton a small club would have been a mild quote from me just to piss the supporters off.

I don't believe he is a good choice as he doesn't seem to be up to date on the modern game. But ignoring the quote he does seem more qualified than other names mentioned.

Ron Marr
507 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:58:27
Joe #499. I was thinking that myself. Sir Matt Busby as a player was the Citeh captain prior to WW2 and the RS captain post WW2. As a manager he won the league with Man Utd and the Busby Babes who had an average team age of 21. George Graham didn't fare as well with Spurs after Arsenal.

Nothing wrong with the small team comment, it was true with BK the owner.

Rafa would not be my choice but nobody has called me yet, must be the 8 hour time difference ha ha.

John Keating
508 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:43
Whoever it is please no more long contracts.
Max 2 years, maybe a year option after.
If the rumour of Benitez is true and he’s desperate for the job then offer shit money and let’s see how much he wants it
Giving up with this managerial nonsense
John Raftery
509 Posted 16/06/2021 at 22:59:52
We need an experienced, hard nosed type of manager who knows this league and what is required to deliver positive results. It matters not a jot if he is disliked by the fans.

Back in the sixties there were many fans who disliked Harry Catterick. Very few if any warmed to him. It didn’t matter. All that mattered was the outcome on the pitch.

As a club we need to cast aside the notion of the manager as a superhero, a messiah-like figure who will lead us into the promised land. Getting the right person to do the job is more important than getting someone popular who will receive a warm reception from fans.

If Benitez is appointed the only thing which matters is what happens on the pitch.

Jerome Shields
510 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:00:46
Rafa main qualification is that he is a Big Name. No other big names are interested. What has he promised to do ? To turn a small club into a Big one.

The only reason I can think he is being recruited is reverse psychology. Employ someone that is hated by Finch Farm, the Fans and it might work out different than expected.

What is the main reason that he is interested in the job ? Rafa finds travelling stressful. More stressful than the Everton faithful baying for his blood.

Pretty unbelievable twist if true.

Martin Berry
511 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:03:40
If it is Benitez then whats the fuss, he is far more experienced than Nuno and many others that have been thrown around.
He will get the players fit and organised and he does not mess about, surely this will be a positive considering the dross we have suffered for most of last season.
As for being unaware of the modern game etc, tactics and formations don't change they have been around for ages but knowing how to manage them and how to fit your players into them is the sign of a good manager. I believe Benitez is a good manager and along with Brands and some good acquisitions we will do well.
James Flynn
512 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:10:42
Soren (431) - Thanks. I went and looked. Not quite the hilarious stuff on here.

Most hilarious, the calls for Roberto to come back. Hahahaha! Oh my God.

Paul Jones
513 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:39
Benitez in his appointments at Valencia, Newcastle and Liverpool was popular with fans on the basis that he did stand up to dysfunctional owners and delivered success for Valencia and Liverpool, at Newcastle had relative success given the the mysterious sleazy ownership and unreasonable expectations of the fans. Some might consider him ideal for the job.
My concern would be that his methods like Mourinho seem outdated and the game at the top has moved on from that negative style of football.
Barry Hesketh
514 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:13:42
Ron @511
I think you've spotted the real truth of the matter, the money tree has been felled, therefore the list of eligible candidates has shrunk, it may even have been a major reason as to why Ancelotti jumped ship.

I think they wanted Moyes as their top target but he decided he'd continue with what he's started to build at West Ham, I suspect that none of the up-and-coming managers such as Howe and Potter were considered, because they would prove to be too risky.

Nuno, is available and could be the right type of manager for Everton, but if his backroom staff overburdened the club financially, that would rule him out. Benitez, out of work and available, living locally, I would think he must have a good idea of the Everton player's strengths and weaknesses, therefore he becomes a viable proposition for the board.

Money talks and when a club has wasted as much as Everton has in the last few years, it's no surprise when the cheapest option is taken at the most inopportune time.

Hard for any Evertonians to swallow but the reality of wasting millions of pounds year on year could not continue forever and as a result, we've ended up with a 'choice' of manager that only the boardroom will be content with.

Tom Harvey
515 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:14:20
I've stolen this from Grand Old Team, it sums up how I'm feeling.

https://giphy.com/gifs/page-shaft-crimson-dOl2LFw0RbTMc?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=Embeds&utm_term=

Joe McMahon
516 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:23
Rob @511, I agree football is different now but supporters passion isn't. I mentioned it like I said as many on this site talk about history a lot. Catterick had been mentioned by a poster tonight for example. History isn't my thing personally, but supporters passion 50 years ago would have been there in abundance.
Ian Jones
517 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:15:46
Re an earlier comment about Rafa Benitez not attending his own father's funeral. Whilst it does seem odd, in his defence I believe the tradition in Spain is for a funeral to take place within 24 to 48 hours of a death so depending where he was, it might not be possible to attend. However, I think there is often some other form of ceremony about a week later...so assume he was present at that one.

On the subject of the new manager, either Benitez or Martinez would do for me...

Soren Moyer
518 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:17:04
Listen up! He won't be a Mosh signing if he is appointed. Its fucking teary Billy who wants him at GP. Full stop.
Pete Cross
519 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:20:38
There’s a documentary about Martinez on bbc at 23:30 tonight could be interesting!
Robert Tressell
520 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:23:23
When we last appointed a manager, I said that it could go one of three ways:

- Moyes: indicating that Moshiri was going to stop the spending.

- Genesio (the Galtier of 18 months or so ago): indicating that we would aim to develop players and build a team.

- Ancelotti: indicating that Moshiri would be spending big to match the ambition of getting in a big name manager.

As it happens, we did improve the failed squad that got Silva sacked but it was pretty modest spending and so we inevitably got nowhere near the top 4.

Appointing Benitez would be a cringeworthy attempt to maintain the fiction that we're a big club - when no other Premier League club (let alone big club) would be remotely interested in him. It would also reinforce the idea that we really don't have any strategy other than to stay relevant while the stadium is being built.

What we need to do is stop pretending and actually build the club back up. That means going down the patient and maybe boring route of Santo or (beggars can't be choosers) Dyche as our new Moyes - or getting the likes of Potter, Terzic or (stranger things have happened) Cocu or Van Bronkhorst as the guy who coaches players brought in by Brands.

I think our only realistic chance of success is patient building (given our modest budget) so I hope we don't hire someone just because they are unemployed and live locally. Otherwise might as well appoint Joey Boswell.

Laurie Hartley
521 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:29:42
I find the Benitez link very depressing. Surely there is a manager out there who has the football nous and man management skills to bring some sort of stability and happiness back to this club.

Soren Moyer
522 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:34:22
James (519). Hilarious indeed. Can you imagine Bobby brown shoes in GP dugout again!!? Some TWers must have a very short memory and have forgotten how crap he was during his spell as our manager. Not to mention the huge compo we paid him for his dismissal! Never again!
Keith Slinger
523 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:41:07
No No, and fucking no from me, we all hate ex LFC players and Managers, so why would senor Benitez change things?
Mike Gaynes
524 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:42:32
Jamie #512... "...verbally shit on the Club and demeaned them..."??

Here's what he said, 14 years ago, in a moment of frustrated pettiness after an emotional game:

"I was really disappointed because one team wanted to win the game and one team didn't want to lose it."
"Everton put eight or nine men behind the ball and defended deep but that's what small clubs do."

"When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Really? That's what we're supposed to be still foaming at the mouth about after all these years? That's what constitutes "shitting on the club"? Geez, I've read more insulting comments between TW posters just today. And he later admitted it was a mistake.

I don't want this guy either, because I think he's a crap manager now, but this degree of outrage over a mild insult from back when Bob Barker was still on TV is a bit silly, isn't it?

Anthony Murphy
525 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:44:35
Reminds me of the George Graham saga when he took over at Spurs. It caused raised eyebrows and if I remember it was actually the Arsenal fans who were less happy. As it turned out, he was a failure at Spurs and never managed again.

I’m less bothered by his RS links and comments - I just think it’s a missed opportunity and a retrograde step. Barry #521 has it spot on.

Michael Boardman
526 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:46:04
From the BBC Gossip column:

Sheffield United could be forced to accept Arsenal's proposed deal for Norwegian midfielder Sander Berge. The 23-year-old has said he hopes to play Champions League football next season. (Sheffield Star)

. the media are so clued up, so can see why we're believing everything they spout.

Jay Harris
527 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:52:26
I just hope we don't find out that Nuno didnt fancy it because he was forced to have big Dunc as his assistant and Benitez has no problem with that because he is desperate to get back to the area and gainfully employed.
Bill Gienapp
528 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:58:43
Jamie (512) - I feel for you, my man. No one on here was more excited at the prospect of Nuno... and I'm not sure anyone on here is more violently opposed to Rafa. No one should have to endure that level of emotional whiplash in 24 hours.
Jamie Crowley
529 Posted 16/06/2021 at 23:59:19
Mike.

Yes, that's what I'm still foaming at the mouth about.

When he says, "...what else can you call them but a small club?"

That's an insult. A little jibe, a nasty one.

When he says, "When a team comes to Anfield and only want a point what else can you call them but a small club?"

Again, that's an insult. He didn't need to say those things. He could have, quite classy, pointed out what his team did correctly, and lauded the defensive efforts of his opposition. He didn't. He insulted. He's lacking class, never mind the fact no one should like or forget those words.

And the insult was an arrogant, condescending thing. It was intentional, as again, he certainly didn't have to say it.

He insulted the Club, you, me, every supporter, and played cocky little fat fuck by being condescending.

I personally will never forgot it. And therefore, I don't want him anywhere near this Club.

What ever happened to pride? Why are we considering a man for our managerial position who insulted us?

And if that isn't enough, ask yourself, why does this dick want to manage us? Manage a "small club" in his words, now?

We shouldn't even give the guy the time of day.

It's like when Moyes left and he said (paraphrase) about Bobby, again condescendingly as fuck, "oh, he'll figure out how that club is run." As soon as he said it I soured on him - forever.

I am foaming at the mouth about it, still. The fact we've even entertained hiring this guy is so frustrating to me I can't describe it in words.

In an honest moment as I'm trying to consider the direction of my anger due to your post, I think it may (MAY) be directed at our Board for considering hiring a man who's so arrogantly, condescendingly, and publicly insulted us with THAT comment.

If I ran an organization and you called me "small" with a clear negative connotation, while you were employed by my rival in the marketplace, I'd not ever hire you. I don't care how long a time had passed.

That's me. TW is full of people with different opinions. That's mine.

I call it pride. Some people say get over it. I can't.

Jamie Crowley
530 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:01:21
Bill @536 -

Yes. I think my vitriol is at a very high peak.

I've gone from guy I immediately said I wanted as manager out of the frame, to a man I've detested for a very, very long time.

I appreciate you noticing that dynamic.

Dave Cooney
531 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:09
Apart from Fat Sam, I have been excited by all of Moshiri’s previous choices and they have all failed miserably.The odds are probably against the next chap so I have decided to hate him and get into massive arguments on the site for the foreseeable future.. I think this may be the best way forward seeing as we’ll probably get Moyes like football finishing 7-8th in the next 3 seasons.
Even if he does do exceptional for us, he will move to Madrid citing he was never really accepted here anyway and I will still be proved right.
Pete Clarke
532 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:03:31
There is no way Evertonians will take to this man. For somebody like him to be accepted the football would need to be highly skilled, eye catching, organised and high scoring.
There is absolutely no chance of that happening with the footballers we have so the crowd would immediately turn on him and he would be gone in months, Mosh is out of pocket again and we start the search for a new manager.
I’m done if he comes to us and not because of his past connections but more to do with how it makes us look and the sheer ineptitude it would show our leaders have. Big Sam was bad enough 😡
Jamie Crowley
533 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:05:16
Soren and James "Leprechaun" Flynn -

If it came down to just two choices, only two choices, would you prefer?

Rafa Benitez

or

Roberto Martinez?

Which one?

Jamie Crowley
534 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:09:28
Oh by the way -

This actually made the satelite radio over here. Quite briefly, but it was mentioned.

Brian Dunseth on Counter Attack said:

Imagine being Everton. You go from hiring Nuno to Rafa Benitez. Wonder how that's gonna work out?

We're a laughing stock in America now! It can't get much worse!

Rob Dolby
535 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:10:26
I would welcome him with open arms if his prior successes where recent but they are a distant memory. The game has moved on.

The ex shite manager issue isn't that big a deal to me.

Sheedy, Ablett, Dave Watson, Peter Reid all lpool fans that ran through brick walls for the blues.

Let's face it if klopp wanted to sign for us would there be the same uproar?

The appointment would be underwhelming to say the least.

Stephen Vincent
536 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:38
If it is FSW, Branthwaite, Gordon and Simms may as well stay right were they are, cos they ain't going to have a prayer back at head office.
Phil Wood
537 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:11:50
If Rafa is the new Boss then it is what it is. Just get on with it.
Derek Thomas
538 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:12:18
Whoever the Harry Lime was on the Keys / Grey nearly said...the small club jibe should be enough to disqualify him, add to that his record over the last 10yrs is average at best.
Plus he's already partaken of the Chinese big money pre-retirement kool-aid dollars.

Is this what we're reduced to? Giving a fuckin rs twat a nice part time job / hobby he can do from Caldy.

Its bad enough if this is Moshiri's Idea...I mean we know he hasn't much of a clue, but it is his train set after all (which it isn't really, its ours...only it isn't. But that would be, to quote Father Ted - an ecumenical matter)

I can easily believe half a dozen 'bad' things about BPB on any given day...but even he is not that daft...unless he IS real 'Agent Kenwright'.

Only at Everton.

Dale Self
539 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:12:46
Go Jamie Go! Sorry it's from a tested place but good to see your energy here man. Keep it going. And thanks for keeping an eye to the small details.
Dale Self
540 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:14:31
Goddamnit Rob, why did you have to say Dave Watson was a red fan? fuck me.
Mike Gaynes
541 Posted 16/06/2021 at 00:15:52
Sorry, Jamie, I heard it when he said it, and I thought it was just a snotty little crack. The idea that so many people would be so outraged by such a lightweight gibe so many years later is just utterly ridiculous to me. Makes us come off as a bunch of snowflakes.

Bibi Netanyahu bragged about manipulating America... called us “...a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.” We still engaged with him and supported Israel.

Steve Jobs insulted Apple after he left. They still hired him back. Worked out pretty well.

It's half a generation later. Bush ain't president anymore. Desperate Housewives is off the air. Fergie isn't hot anymore. Anna Nicole Smith is still dead. Time to stop chewing on it already.

And oh by the way, Benitez ain't a good manager anymore. THAT's why we shouldn't hire the guy. Not some sniveling comment 14 years old.

Howard Don
542 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:16:09
Benitez owes LFC no loyalty, they sacked him for goodness sake.
Gavin Johnson
543 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:19:03
Alan Myers says Rafa hasn't been offered the job. I'm hoping it's all a diversion tactics and a big smokescreen and we'll surprise everyone and unveil Conte as our new manager.

If Rafa does get the job I'll be very intrigued. He certainly has the cojones and will give it his all. I bet a few TW posters like Ian Edwards will start to miss the Carlo days if Rafa serves up the football like he did at Newcastle.

Lets hope he'll be a lil more progressive with better players and a bigger budget

Jack Convery
544 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:01
Hi - Is this the room for an arguement ?

No. Its Toffee Web.

Are you sure. There appears to be plenty of arguing going on.

No. Its Toffee Web.

Why all the arguing then ?

Because Everton Football Club are run by idiots that's why.

What idiots ?

Sorry but it will take too long to explain and I have a plane to Switzerland to catch.

Daniel A Johnson
545 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:24:14
Bring back Bobby brown shoes bring back Marco Silva but Jesus Rafa? It just boggles my brain how this could even happen.

How?

Such a horrible arrogant man to boot. The fan base will Never ever warm to him. Never.

If this happens it’s obvious Marcel Brands has about as much influence as an empty crisp packet in Rhinos bin at the club.

We are now a laughing stock

Jack Convery
546 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:30:47
Hello is that the Jobcentre ? Mr Moshiri here. Do you have a football Manager on your books. You do ! Wonderful. Do you know if he's willing to live in the Merseyside area ? He already does. How Wonderful. Send him to Goodison Park asap and tell him to ask for my good friend Mr Kenwright. Thank You.
Bill Gienapp
547 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:33:51
Jay (534) - This actually wouldn't surprise me at all.

What's interesting is that Duncan is no longer just some glorified mascot. He has a successful caretaker stint on his resume. Many people bought into the idea of him being positioned as Ancelotti's eventual successor. If reports are to be believed, he threw his hat in the ring for the full-time gig.

In other words, why *would* Nuno want a guy around who's basically a direct rival for his job? He'd have to know that it would be that much easier for the board to sack him if they knew Duncan was waiting in the wings to take over.

Rafa, on other hand, is unlikely to care about all that. He's had more jobs than he can count. He just wants to be employed.

Steve Brown
548 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:43:53
Martinez or Benitez? It's like trying to choose between Hitler and Stalin.
Joe Digney
549 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:44:54
I have never commented on here before although I have been reading the site for many years since me dad showed me it when I was a kid. I'm probably on the younger side of ToffeeWebbers (born in 1993) but I just feel the need to comment and voice another opinion.

I'll back any Everton manager because it's what we do as Blues we stick together and go to war together no matter what, but I just can't get excited about Benitez. I can make myself get excited about Nuno because he's young and hungry with more modern ideas on football.

Benitez is yesterday's man, he really hasn't been an elite manager for years and the Premier League is a different beast from when he was successful with Liverpool. I highly doubt he has the hunger and drive still left in him for the huge job that is Everton.

It's just a convenience for him working close to home and his family while knowing Everton pay well. Truly disappointed and deflated for next season, to me it smacks of Moshiri being out of touch with supporters while just being happy to keep us plodding along until he has built the ground being able to then turn a profit on selling the club.

Dale Self
550 Posted 17/06/2021 at 00:58:11
Good move, Joe. And yes, you seem to be one of the younger ones, so please do come back.
Kieran Kinsella
551 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:02:16
Ayman Al Zawahiri linked now. Long term number two, had some success in the top job in France and the Middle East. More popular than Rafa.
John Boon
552 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:51:31
Hard to take. Even harder to swallow. It has united all Evertonians in the worst possible way…

But, if we win the first 38 games of the new season…???

Kieran Kinsella
553 Posted 17/06/2021 at 01:55:19
John,

If we win the first 38 games, we will give him a vote of confidence then review things after the next three. As John Moores said “Everton expect the best”.

Soren Moyer
554 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:01:33
Jamie, 541.

The former never in my lifetime, but the latter only if our lives depend on it.

Kristian Boyce
555 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:27:45
I wouldn't be surprized that we'll get a couple of new names on the list tomorrow. Going from Morshiri's track record, I'm half expecting Souness & Dagliesh to be on it.
Kieran Kinsella
556 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:33:02
Just give it to Speedo Mick. He's got bigger balls and more heart than this list of outcasts, freak shows and rejects.
Ed Prytherch
557 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:38:00
I am fairly happy that Nuno and his Portuguese mafia look less likely to take over.
Kieran Kinsella
558 Posted 17/06/2021 at 02:44:10
Dominic King saying Moshiri wants Rafa but “others” on the board have concerns.

I know for a fact Kenwright talks shit to the media on Moshiri — don't ask me how I know but I know — while pretending to toe the party line. He was undermining Walsh and later Allardyce from day one to the press while acting Luvvie dovie in public.

This creates a problem for me. I hate Rafa but I think I dislike Kenwright more. So this “leak” to the Mail may cause me to become a turncoat and ditch Jamie and Co in order to fight the greater enemy — Bill Kenwright.

Mike Gaynes
559 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:01:51
Joe #557, welcome. We sure could use some youth around here. Normally you'd be required to post in the ToffeeWeb under-30s for a year or two, but your first post showed so much promise that you're going straight into the first team.

John #560, only if that includes a good FA Cup run.

Steve #556, bit too far over the top there, mate... but yes, it's a pretty ugly choice.

Barry Williams
560 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:21:29
There might be some legitimacy in the reports, and maybe not - we will not know until the manager is appointed. I am actually fine that the appointment is taking a long time - players aren't getting signed much at the mo - and we do have a Director of Football after all - which leads me to my next point.

Shouldn't we just be going after managers/coaches whatever they are called these days who have worked with Directors of Football before? Thus, shouldn't Brands be doing the hiring? For all that we know, he might be!

Anyways, I have had no strong feelings for any of the candidates floated in the media for a number of reasons but this link - however tenuous - I have!

NO NO NO and thrice NO!

Why (beyond the obvious - which I will get to).

When he was at the unmentionables - I remember seeing his transfer record - maybe clouded by time, but I recall he bought a lot of players - paid a lot for them - and had a massive turnover. The opposite of what Everton require.

Plus, when was he last successful? His last job was in Dalian China - I have been there, cannot remember it, but you do not go to these Chinese cities other than for money. It wasn't for the challenge. That brings me onto Newcastle. Those who follow more closely than moi might be able to tell me what he did with them that Bruce hasn't. Genuine question.

Now, the red connection. The small club jibe goes beyond just the words. No need, sour grapes, lack of class and looking for excuses as to why his team could not win a game - do we need that?

Lets say he is successful - well, Everton needed a guy whose association was mainly with the unmentionables to get to success - and at some point he'll leave. If then Everton then go through a period of perceived failure - How does that reflect on the club?

When things go tits up - as they will for a period, this will be a toxic atmosphere like never experienced.

This is why my verdict is

NO NO NO and NO!

I could be wrong - very wrong as I have been in the past with management recruitment and opinions - but for me - a guy who has stopped watching all football besides Everton (for many reasons which I can wax lyrical about) and is just hanging onto Everton by a thread due to many reasons too, this appointment would be the end of my support for Everton after over 40 years. I remember how Evertonians were appalled at the possibility of Toshack taking over (I wasn't at the time) - How things have changed!

However - could all be - and I think/hope it is - media speculation!

Phil Smith
561 Posted 17/06/2021 at 03:34:25
No no no no! I for one will boycott the club if he’s appointed.
Alan J Thompson
562 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:21:30
If this happens then Kenwright, Moshiri, Brands, the CEO and even Usmanov need running out of the club, Traitors All!
Terence Leong
563 Posted 17/06/2021 at 04:45:38
Probably the most number of posts in singular ToffeeWeb thread that I've seen all these years...

But understandably so. I think most people's issues are more because Rafa's performances since being Liverpool's manager, has been at best average, while serving up dross football.

That's my main issue, it's disappointing if it happens. I guess I'll just manage my expectations, and take a more detached approach in supporting the club.

When fans become more indifferent and more spectator-like instead, that's probably the saddest state of affairs.

Oh well, the wheels on the bus go round and round...

Jay Woods [LAT]
564 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:07:22
So in the heat of the moment he called EFC a small club (or more accurately, as I recall, spoke of a small club mentality because the team didn't open up and let LFC rip them apart). And? Why is that "unforgivable"? Haven't we all said stupid things in moments of frustration?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly salivating at the prospect of him being appointed, but it's not because of some petty vendetta; it's just I would prefer a "next generation" appointment, someone up to speed with modern thought on the game.

Joe Digney
565 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:28:29
Mike @ 567 haha thanks mate I’m ready for the step up.

Dale @ 558 I’m here for the long haul mate, reading ToffeeWeb with my morning coffee is part of daily routine 👍🏻

Peter Brogan
566 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:47:47
Let's just back Rafa. We need to stop looking in the past and that includes bringing back ex-managers who brought us no silverware first time around. Rafa is the best in the market and his record is outstanding.

At Chelsea 40,000 home fans booed him but he still got them a Top 4 and a trophy… I’ll certainly take that and it shows the character of the man. Let's look forwards not backwards.

Lester Yip
567 Posted 17/06/2021 at 05:59:02
The more I think about it, the more I think the names being thrown around are just smoke-screens, thinking of how things being done last time.

My guess is it would be someone quite unexpected. And Moshiri can see that a big name can help the image of the club. He will pay big money. It should be a big name with a record of trophies.

Darryl Ritchie
568 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:02:49
With Benitez we'll just be treading water; the same goes for Santo. We need a fresh start with a modern thoughts and fresh ideas.

Football is like chess. Anybody can play it, but to excel takes intelligence and flair. With the two mentioned above, I think we'll be playing checkers.

Although, if Brands doesn't have a good summer, it won't matter who manages the team.

Derek Knox
569 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:11:14
According to Alan Myers the FSW is NOT in the running please see link below. This is another thing I don't understand, Farhad Moshiri is not on the Board yet allegedly is doing the hiring and firing! Can someone please explain?

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2021/06/16/alan-myers-rafa-benitez-has-not-been-offered-everton-job/

Danny O’Neill
570 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:24:31
Cards on the table, in the past, I've not been against this one. I can't remember which appointment on the recent manager merry go round we've been on, which says a lot, but I wasn't against it. It might have been when we appointed Silva.

The ex-Liverpool connection doesn't concern me as much. As many have pointed out, we've done it with players, one of them being my favourite of all time. The small club jibe? I'm with Jay (BRZ), heat of the moment, straight after a derby, he was Liverpool manager and frustrated. And, likely referring to our mentality and approach to the game, as well as talking in a secondary language. I think some of the heated comments we see across the board is often an issue with interviewing managers live straight after a match when the adrenaline & emotion is still running high. No cool off period, but its good for the cameras.

BUT. No. That ship sailed. We've tried the past glory manager and it didn't work. Also, too divisive. Well is it? Most, just about all of us don't want it, so that's probably a contradiction. But in terms of the fan base and connection with the manager, we'd be in Sam Allardyce territory here. I don't think it would bother him and he would handle it. Look how he did at Chelsea and just focussed on the team and the football. He shut it out. It's us I worry about.

We're waiting until after the Euros to pick up one of the newly available international coaches or are going to approach Edin Terzic. If I keep saying and thinking it

I'm off to walk and talk to the dogs.

Mike Gaynes
571 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:36:16
DK #578, happy to explain.

The Myers article you linked does NOT say the FSW is not in the running.

It says he has not been offered the job... but talks have taken place, so he IS in the running.

Also, Moshiri is very definitely on the Board, as majority shareholder.

Now get some rest, my friend.

Paul Smith
572 Posted 17/06/2021 at 06:48:13
I’m more aghast that we possibly wanted Moyes back. I’m resigned to a more years of fighting for the minor Euro places so Rafa will do. Get some stability and the ground built then let’s see.
Andrew Ellams
573 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:11:36
Sky tell us he's about to get the job, this and other Everton fan forums explode and now the process seems much further back than we were initially led to believe.

Somebody at the club fishing?

Stuart Bellamy
574 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:22:56
Just reading Dominic King's tweet, to me it seems to indicate that Rafa (or more likely his agent) has leaked to the press that the talks went very well and he is 'expecting' an offer, and that this has been interpreted by the press as he 'will' or even 'has' been offered it. but who knows.

King also said the appointment is being completely driven by Moshiri and only him; personally, I refuse to believe he would not be consulting his Director of Football after putting one in place.

Laurie Hartley
575 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:27:00
Putting myself in Farhad Moshiri’s shoes just for a minute there is a lot, and I mean a lot, hundreds of millions of £, at stake here. He has to get the ground built to have any chance of recouping what he has lost (invested??) so far.

To get the ground built he has to keep us in the Premier League and that means a manager with a safe pair of hands. He just isn’t going to take a risk this time round - he has got to get it right. That is why, unpalatable as it is to the majority of us, Benitez is in the frame.

But the well proportioned lady hasn’t sung just yet. Until she does I won’t give up hope of a pleasant surprise.

Ray Roche
576 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:31:16
Steve Brown @556

You say Rafa or Martinez—- like trying to choose between Hitler and Stalin…..,

Or choosing which of your testicles to hit with a mallet.

Matt Hunter
577 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:35:49
Over 25 years a season ticket holder and I've seen a lot. This is the ultimate humiliation if true. To have a manager who is completely used up, who serves up the most turgid football that you can see, is one thing but to have the indignity of it being the fat Spanish waiter makes me actually feel sick.

I wouldn't want Everton to win anything under him, I know nothing about him personally but and I will make it my business to hound him out of the job as quickly as possible.

As for the fans who are supporting his appointment, I can only assume you haven't grown up in the city or lived in the city. I am not insulting those fans, I would however just like to say that you don't get it. If you truly support him as our manager, you don't truly get the club and what Everton means. This is not a player, this is a manager who belongs in heart to that lot and who will be the face of the football club. I certainly wouldn't sell the club’s soul for Rafa Benitez he's a total football dinosaur.

The club is now a total laughing stock with it's core fan base. I have to think very hard now about the renewal of my season ticket.

Colin Glassar
578 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:39:21
Moshiri is a football idiot. Let's get that out of the way first. The man hasn't got a clue and his bloated sidekick doesn't help matters either. So I agree with Laurie, this appointment (if it happens) is all about survival in the Premier League until the stadium is built. Hopefully, he will then sell us to someone with more sense, and money.

Stuart, Dominic King is full of poo. Don't believe a word he says. If Benitez isn't appointed today then I think that means Mr Blobby has convinced Farhad Moshiri to wait for Martinez.

Sam Hoare
579 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:40:03
Fascinating dance they are leading us on!

Seems to me that the media are shooting in the dark almost as much as we are. Probably they are being used by the club.

For example, if NES is their favourite, as seems quite possible, but the reaction to his possible appointment seemed negative then what better way to shore it up than throwing in Benitez as an alternative.

I'm not a big NES fan but, next to Rafa, I'd be delighted to secure the Portuguese ex-goalkeeper!

Would not be surprised at all to see someone come in from left-field and get the job in the next few weeks. Mancini might be flavour of the month if Italy keep playing this well. Or someone like Andre Villas-Boas who has always intrigued me and actually had a better win % at Tottenham than the lauded Pochettino. Maybe Hassenhuttl who many blues liked the look of at times last season or Amorim the bright young thing who led Sporting to their first league title in 19 years?

I wonder if this saga is maybe due to take another twist or turn yet? With Brands in charge of player recruitment (and hopefully responsible for outlining the playing style and philosophy at the club) I guess there is no rush to find a new manager for a few more weeks yet.

Ray Roche
580 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:46:29
Sam, I thought Vilas-Boas had turned his back on football, preferring professional rally driving instead?
Andrew Ellams
581 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:52:37
Ray, he was at Marseille until earlier this year.
Colin Glassar
582 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:53:15
Same, Ray. I think he’s semi-retired. I see Crystal Palace are talking to Lucien Favre. Now he’s a really good, progressive manager.

I still think there’s something dodgy with these “rumours” about Rafa.

John Cook
583 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:56:24
Get ready for "Come in, Agent Rafa, job well done!"
Ray Roche
584 Posted 17/06/2021 at 07:57:41
I didn’t know that Andrew, like Colin, I thought he’d virtually turned his back on football.
Andrew Ellams
585 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:02:47
They parted company in February. I believe he was actually suspended pending an investigation because he made public comments about their transfer policy.
Eddie Dunn
586 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:08:35
There's a load of rubbish being spouted on here. "Modern coaches", "younger managers", "new ideas".

The manager doesn't have to do the running on the pitch, an "older" coach can even delegate all of the training to his team. It's a big job.

As long as he still has ambition and is prepared to work hard, age is meaningless. However, with age comes experience and this can help him avoid the pitfalls a less experienced manager will make.

Football hasn't changed much and, as I recall, the rules are much the same and Benitez surely is as aware of players and systems as any of us.

Granted it would be a rather uninspiring choice but we have been down the various roads, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, all fairly young and Big Sam. I agree with the opinion that a safe pair of hands is paramount to Moshiri.

The stadium ensures a good resale value and Premier League status is essential – so no young bucks at the helm, no untried Premier League debutants.

Perhaps the fact that Rafa does live in Caldy will help. He and his family are settled, he won't be house-hunting (unless he wants to live in Speke). So just maybe it will all work out well?

Bill Fairfield
587 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:09:39
Like any other manager, Benitez will be judged on results and performance. He needs to hit the ground running though, because there is zero patience left with the supporters.
Martin Berry
588 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:14:55
Eddie #597

Absolutely spot-on there with everything you said, my thoughts in an earlier post, but yours far better put and more expansive.

Danny O’Neill
589 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:24:09
Agree Eddie. Age is not a concern for the manager and if anything, can bring experience to pass on to younger coaches working under them.

Now there's a thought, Rafa living in Speke!!

Andy Duff
590 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:27:08
Was anyone at the City game when they needed to win to help stop the RS winning the league? Barkley scored first and it went off in the Gwladys.

That game was divisive and caused blues to fight with blues.

This appointment will be just as divisive. This is not what the club needs at all at the moment.

Tony Abrahams
591 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:28:50
Barry R@464, I don’t often agree with you Barry, but your first sentence is bang on the money, and something I think Cozy little Everton have needed for years mate.

We haven’t won anything for 26 years and we have staff members telling us that others are Evertonians? Fuck that I’d sooner have winners myself.

One last thing, but only my opinion, but if any Liverpudlian is laughing at Everton over this appointment, (if it actually happens) try and see through them please.

Mike Kehoe
592 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:31:20
Eddie, I fully agree with a lot of your points re stability and resale value, I’m sure that is the prevailing thought process for Moshiri. As a fan that lives in the city I would feel mortified to have Beneathus in charge, truly embarrassed to have their old cast off, who, incidentally, Bruce has bettered in his time in charge.

Everton’s identity of plucky little underdogs has been an annoyance for a long time, but that will pale against being considered an absolute laughing stock if this goes through. Gold for Carragher and all the other RS pundits: a new low for Everton.

I could not abide the man but I think I would rather Allardyce.

Hopefully this is just the ultimate Bond villain, BPB, manipulating the media to ensure the underwhelming news re Nuno being appointed is met with (tepid) warmth.

Trevor Peers
593 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:33:49
According to most of the news outlets it's a boardroom battle that's holding the appointment up. It seems Kenwright wants Benitez and Moshiri prefers Nuno.

No others candidate's are in the picture unless one or both walk away because they don't won't to be messed about for too long as this would damage thier reputations.

If Moshiri wants Nuno, there can only be one winner Nuno. The way the whole thing has been conducted is typically a total embarrassment, but this is the modern Everton way, indecisive, weak dithering, leaderless.

Martin Mason
594 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:40:56
Everton, the rest home for ex-players and cronies now about to sign a poor manager on the basis that he'll keep the cronies in a job. Time to part company methinks.
Gary Willock
595 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:41:28
“Safe pair of hands. Tread water until stadium (4 years+). Just focus on staying in premier league.”

Have Arsenal taken off since stadium? Spurs setting the world ablaze?

Can’t understand this thought process at all. Yes, Goodison is getting overshadowed by the neighbours, but If we don’t keep having sporting ambitions higher than this then it is simply self defeating. The new stadium on the docks will end up sponsored by poundshop, be a millstone around our necks for 10-20 years, be packed with a team of journeymen players managed by an aging “safe” manager who our fans will justify as “best bet at keeping us safe whilst we pay the mortgage”………never ending circle of failure.

City / Chelsea models hard to copy with FFP but success on the pitch is catalyst for success off the pitch. Full stop. Got to gamble.

Barry Cowling
596 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:47:57
Well, I am another in the Martinez camp. He got the Everton thing, he gave us hope, yes, it all fell apart in his last year but he had no money to spend and we were in the europa which killed us and after him we had clueless Koeman who we are still trying to clear the shit he left us in. All this talk about Nuno and Benitez is I recon just getting candidates in and being sure on who we get, or so I am hoping, but its got to be a Brands appointment and I would say Martinez fits that bill
Kim Vivian
597 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:01
Trevor - Surely Brands must have significant input being the "football man". Hopefully he will get the casting vote but there may be a conflict for him if Mendes is a fly in the ointment.

I'm feeling just now that this as low as a club that we have been in my time. Small? - We're certainly acting it.

Andrew Ellams
598 Posted 17/06/2021 at 08:52:58
No to Martinez because he never learned from his mistakes which stinks of arrogance and that's not a good thing when it leads to too many negative decisions being made.

I keep hearing that he gets the club but inside 3 years he lost the fans and the dressing room. Doesn't sound like a man that gets the club to me.

Joe McMahon
599 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:01:28
Well said Martin @605, and that also does include Unsworth and Dunc, as they won't leave their cozy setup and gain experience elsewhere, like Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney et al.
Chris Mason
600 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:18:53
Reading that it’s a done deal.
Neil Lawson
601 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:23:01
The situation now is appalling and so embarrassingly badly handled. The media staff at Goodison will be advising of the reaction/outrage and you have to hope that it just may have some impact. If Nuno was the right man he should have been in post 10 days ago. Clearly not. Benitez can never be the right man for so many reasons all covered in the 600 odd posts above. Martinez ? Ditto, but we would probably now take him in a heartbeat as the least worse option. Just ridiculous. I am not a multi millionaire nor highly paid DOF, but I simply do not comprehend the complete lack of good old nouse and common sense that should prevail when deciding upon and appointing our new manager. Does it truly have to be "a name". Shouldn't it be about appointing the best man for a specific job and a man who desperately wants to manage Everton whatever terms may be offered. We have had so many recent failures please do not shoe horn someone in just because he is available or has done OK in the past. Give it to the man who properly fits the job description we all recognise and start the season with a full house of 100% supporters willing us to victory.
Joe O'Brien
602 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:25:36
Sorry.. but has everyone forgotten how easily we leaked goals under Martinez? I haven't.
He seems a nice man and we were good going forward.. but we were just awful at the back. He would have taken us down.
For people saying, look what he's doing with Belgium.. that's not his doing. He's blessed with a golden generation of talent.. if anything they should have won the world Cup with that squad.. and definitely the euros. I don't think they'll win the euros..solely because of Martinez.
If its a straight choice between Rafa and Martinez..Brands needs to be sacked.
Alan Johnson
603 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:18
Whoever said that we are a small club got it spot on.
Kevin Prytherch
604 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:26:45
I see that Rafa’s odds are lengthening again this morning (ok, only from 1/10 to 1/7) and Nuno’s are shortening again (6/1 into 3/1).

Last week Nuno was 1/25 at one point.

Chris Mason
605 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
I think it’s best to back whoever they appoint, because getting my blood pressure up thinking about how little the hierarchy give a monkeys is pointless.

Fingers crossed and hope for the best. A lot like the strategy of Everton’s highly paid executives.

I tell you though that Evertonians are bloody special, because any other fans would have shat the bed and given up 20 years ago.

Jamal Paktongko
606 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:27:28
Hell Yeah!!!

Old Spanish Waiter is my choice too.

Come On You Blues

Justin Doone
607 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:33:03
If its only between Nuno and Benetiz I realty can’t choose as I don't want either.

I think either one would do a similar job of keeping us in the top 10. I think they both set their teams up as a defensive counter attacking unit.

Not terrible Sam football, but not Martinez entertaining attacking football.

We need to keep our best players whilst bringing in another 3 or 4 top class players. Which ever manager can help entice top players whist getting the best out of the current squad should get the gig.

We need other options!

Neil Lawson
608 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:37:19
Interesting too how it is being reported that Benitez will give Duncan a key role. Mutual loathing methinks. " Yes Boss. OK Boss ( you knob) "
Steve Shave
609 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:44:11
I'm upset about this if true but he has done well against adversity from crowds before and managed difficult clubs ala Valencia and Newcastle. I just hope he 'gets' us. I haven't read too many of the above comments, not enough time though we seem as divided as the board. I just hope we get behind whoever it is. Can anyone tell us a bit more about what to expect tactics wise if it is Rafa, always seemed very cautious to me and boring to watch, we need that like we need a hole in the head right now!
David Pearl
610 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:45:46
Do l have to see that face when l want to check out TW? Can't the editors put a masque on him? I got pissed last night because of this.
Conor McCourt
611 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:51:46
David it was the title that perplexed me "Benitez in the frame to be next manager". How to fuck did they fit him into the frame?
Tony Shelby
612 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:52:32
Rafa’s Beneathus
Johnny Rainford
613 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:54:09
For those too young to remember the precedent for this was actually set back in the 70s when Shankly was exiled by the RS and he found a warm welcome at Bellfield where he got involved in the coaching sessions and attended all our home games with Dixie.

🙄

Michael Lynch
614 Posted 17/06/2021 at 09:55:08
I must admit, I'm slightly surprised that so many of us seem to want Martinez back. To my mind, he inherited a well-drilled Moyes squad, to which he added some flair, and it was great for a short time. But it soon went downhill and his time at Everton can only be seen as a frustrating disappointment.

Towards the end we were desperate for him to go, because he seemed deluded, talking about phenomenal performances after we'd caved in yet again. He's a nice man, and he lives and breathes football, but he was a failure at Everton.

Brian Murray
615 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:01:51
I don’t loathe the waiter as much as the enemy within ! If all this debacle has highlighted that moshiri really needs to look long and hard at who he’s listening to. I know moshiri not the sharpest tool in the box where football concerned but come on !
Christopher Timmins
616 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:07:21
Oddschecker, my bible at the moment, quote Rafa at 2/9 and Nuno at 4/1 with Roberto at 16/1.

Just how has it come to this, a former sacked manager, a former sacked manager of our neighbours and a guy who wants to bring all of his back-up team with him. If Nuno was the man then he should have been appointed by now, his back-up team accepted in full and existing members of Carlo's first-team management moved on. That's how it works.

Some of the media outlets are saying that Brands and Bill are in the Roberto camp and Moshiri wants Rafa, so maybe they will compromise and go with Nuno? I am certainly of the view that Brands is not in the Rafa camp, indeed, if Rafa comes through the door then what is the point of having Brands around the place as Rafa like Carlo will want his own players whereas Nuno and Martinez may be more open to working with Brands recruits.

Maybe at the end of the day the powers that be will hold a draw to decide the issue.

Danny Baily
617 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:38
Martinez struggled to build a squad when we gave managers the freedom to do so. He'll have no hope fitting the square pegs that Brands picks up into his side.

Brands out, someone like a Nuno or Howe in. No former managers. We'll be linked with Billy Bingham next.

Barry Hesketh
618 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:11:57
Michael @626

It was in large part the reactions of the Goodison crowd that played a part in the removal of Martinez, the board could have stuck with him if they had wanted to, but they (Moshiri) decided to terminate his contract and the rest is history.

I watched the documentary about Martinez last evening, he's a very clever guy and most personable, but I don't think he's suited to club management. He would make a good technical director or something akin to that but day-to-day management at a club of Everton's size? I don't think so.

Dave Lynch
619 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:14:29
Wish people would get over those comments he made.

As others have said, he did not call us a small club, he intimated that we played like one... and we did.

We had no ambition in that game, the ginger surrender monkey set us up to defend what we had, which was a nil-nil scoreline.

They battered us, we defended for our lives and Moyes with his usual panache hailed it as a victory.

We had worse insults that season... the Villa manager Gregory actually said after they beat us... "I could of put our reserves out today and beat that lot."

That's how low we had sunk.

Trevor Powell
620 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:16
Why are we considering taking on the HAS BEEN, who disappeared off to China because NO CLUB of any stature in Europe was interested in him?

We might as well go back to Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes or Alan Pardew as they have all had their day!

Sam Hoare
621 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:17:55
Lucien Favre anyone? Something of a maverick but plays dynamic football and has a good reputation for developing young talent. Reportedly in talks with Palace and ‘other Premiership’ teams.
Dave Williams
622 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:19:52
Eddie Dunn#597- what a sensible post!
We have to accept a few things, like it or not.
We will not attract the CL managers like Simeone,Pochettino or Conte.
There is a shortage of quality managers who are on an upward curve.
All of the names we have been debating for the last three weeks have drawbacks.
Whoever gets the job has to be lucky in getting the right players in, getting the right players out, getting the right mix of personalities in the squad and getting off to a good start- our opening fixtures give him a decent chance of that.
The new guy needs the fans on side. No true supporter should want his team to lose just because the manager for whatever reason is not his choice.
Benitez no doubt regrets what he said about us and more than anyone on the list of possibles he will be determined to prove himself to us and to the shower across the park. He won’t put up with the crap performances and he should have better players at his disposal than he had at Newcastle.
Don’t get me wrong,I would much prefer Duncan Ferguson if he had experience of management or with a younger Joe Royle to work alongside him but that ain’t going to happen. Whoever gets it we need to support him until such time as he shows that the job is beyond him and if that is after we move to BMD then I will be delighted.
Brian Harrison
623 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:00
Moshiri stick to looking after Usmanovs companies, and leave appointing managers to someone who has a clue what they are doing. He started by sacking Martinez and appointed Koeman, question is why. He had done nothing of note in his managerial career and was doing an OK job with Southampton, but hardly pulling any trees up. But obviously Moshiri must have looked at Koemans playing record rather than his managerial record. After Koeman had spent a fortune and still hadn't moved the club forward, so after 58 games in charge the accountant decided a change was needed. So he appointed David Unsworth on a temporary basis, he lasted 8 games and the accountant brought in the universally unpopular Allardyce to take over. As we all know his claim to fame was keeping sides from relegation, so after he acheived that the accountant brought his tenure to an end after 26 matches in charge.

Now you would think that the accountant would have realised he was way out of his depth in trying to select a manager to take the club forward. But no undaunted by his previous failures he ploughed on and decided Marco Silva was the man and even paid Watford a tidy sum to secure his services. Again you ask does the accountant not take into account that Silva had not long got his side relegated and again he was hardly making Watford anything special. So Marco was appointed and again like his previous managers, was allowed to spend huge amounts on journeymen players, and again after 60 games in charge the accountant could see the club was still not moving forward and sacked him.

So at long last he moved for a manager who had the best CV in football Carlo Ancelotti. Ancelotti took over from Duncan Ferguson who had 4 games in charge but was happy to again assume his role as assistant manager for the 3rd time. After 67 games in charge Ancelotti decided to jump ship and move to Real Madrid, which took everybody by surprise, including his own son who had just bought a new house in Woolton 2 weeks prior. So despite Carlo only weeks earlier stating he wanted to stay longer than the contract he was currently on, and he was very happy living here, he was gone. So the accountant has started looking for yet another manager and if rumours are correct he is looking to appoint a manager who is even more unpopular than Allardyce and that takes some doing.

Benitez has done nothing for a long time and even the much maligned Steve Bruce has a better record at Newcastle than Benitez and lets not forget just like Silva Benitez also got a team relegated from the Premier league. I will finish on the words of Brian Clough to Sam Longsdon his Chairman at Derby " Sam you just sign the fucking cheques and leave the football side of things to me" Amen to that.

Michael Williams
624 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
I am not excited by Benitez at all. Ancelotti is the best we are going to get unless we find a young coach not many of us are considering who makes that rare impact. I have no idea who that is.

Also, why all the fat-shaming?

Ian Horan
625 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:10
Interesting that a number of reports in the press and social media stating that Duncan is being retained, therein is the elephant in the room. Nuno was clear about who he wanted in his team. I find it hard to stomach if true that Duncans position was the issue whats that saying the club is bigger than anyone individual!!!!! If Kenwright is insistent on DF staying we will then know clearly who is holding the club back. Change our name to Sycophants F C...
Danny O’Neill
626 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:21:49
I too think he's better suited to coaching Barry @630. International coaching definitely suits him, where he just has to worry about the training and what happens on the pitch.

Having had my doubts about his appointment in the first place, being surprised by that first season, but then said doubts being realised, I actually had a random thought at the time, that he'd actually be good coaching the U23s.

I said random, but I think it's in line with the thought he's a good coach with good ideas, but not a manager in my opinion.

Gerard Pauls
627 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:22:58
This has got all the hallmarks of Kenwright behind this. Initially it looked a banker that NES was the next manager. May I add at this point that Potter was my choice a younger fitter hands on manager who had learnt his trade in Europe. We instead appear to only want 'lazy' older managers who have already burnt their candles at both ends, Alladyce, Ancelloti and now Benitez! However it seems that NES requested to bring his backroom staff which would in turn have seen the demise of Kenwrights cosy old boys club...what in my opinion has been holding back our club for years. As a result I feel that compromise has been reached with The Spanish waiter becoming the next money guzzling freeloader as long has he retains teary eyed Bills ex players on the staff. I'm bloody discusted with what's going on at my Everton. We have a chance to get better managers, Potter, Galtier etc but no in typical Everton style let's upset the majority of the loyal fan base with this clown. Apologies for the rant boys!
David Baxter
628 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:23:39
There are a few misconceptions on here about Shankly being treated badly by Liverpool. Shankly resigned of his own free will and Paisley was appointed manager. The problem arose when Shankly continued to turn up at Melwood every day. He started interfering with proceedings during training, and was told he wasn't required at training. He was asked politely to stay away and leave Paisley to run the show. He took umbrage at that but Liverpool were correct: his time was over.
George Carroll
629 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:30:56
Gerard @640 sums the situation at Everton perfectly. Until Kenwright is removed, we will continue to be better at running a charity than a football club.
Dave Lynch
630 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:33:59
Dave@64.
Your post clearly highlights the difference between the 2 clubs.

One is not afraid of change to move the club forward.

The other is Everton.

Brian Harrison
631 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:24
Dave Lynch 631

You are wrong. I heard the interview with Benitez where he called Everton a small club. He also didn't elaborate at that interview that it was about our style of play which made him call us a small club. So I know it suits the narrative of some supporters to change what was actually said to make it more palatable if we appoint him.

Mark Ryan
632 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:34:52
Mike @ 626 spot on. It would seem many on here have very short memories but each to their own. We were " in a special moment" back then and played some "phenomenal football" but thank christ he left us. Deluded, rabbit caught in the headlamp stuff from him.
Never ever go back.
Barry Hesketh
633 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:35:18
I wonder if the managerial situation at Spurs is having a bearing on Everton's hunt for a manager? It looks as if Fonseca is to take charge at Spurs but it hasn't been formally announced as yet. If Everton were for example looking at Poch at PSG or somebody similar, Levy is a sly old fox and wouldn't sit on his hands if he thought that somebody better than Fonseca became available.

Who knows in this modern game what is really happening, but I do fret over the effect all of this speculation is having on our players, because they have never needed much of an excuse to underperform even when things have been relatively calm.

Derek Taylor
634 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:36:17
One thing is for certain, the clowns at the top of our club will make the wrong decision whoever they appoint. There was a time when leading managers queued up for this job, now only the unemployed dross show interest.

Rafa? That's hardly believable but that's how low the Masters of Everton have fallen. If it happens (gawd forbid) there will be a few less season tickets sold at BMD !

Michael Connelly
635 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:00
Any manager that can win a Champions League with Djimi Traore in the side, gets my backing!
Danny O’Neill
636 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:39:41
I am too young to know, but that reflects conversations I've had with my red cousins Dave Baxter. I believe Liverpool done what Manchester United should have done with Alex Ferguson. It casts a shadow and doesn't allow the new guy to get on with implementing his own ideas and regime.

Back to Martinez as that coaching comment has got me thinking. Could that work under Brands? Just leave him to coaching the team and players. I think I'm getting desperate now.

Rob Young
637 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:43:36
It's not just what he said about us, it's the mind-numbingly boring football he let them play (even when they were best of Europe at the time), the refusal to cross the half-way line at Newcastle, and yes, for having worked there. He's a kopite, end of.

my word, he's done nothing of note. Steve Bruce has done better and they hate him at Newcastle United. He always said how impossible it was to work at Newcastle and how staying up would be a miracle. He built his own statue there just by going against Mike Ashley.

I don't care how you want to call me, but I'm Blue through and through, so don't give me that; I hate that fella and don't want him anywhere near.

would watching Tranmere be an option for the next year and a half? I'm seriously contemplating.

Then again, I hated Koeman from fairly early on and that never stopped me supporting the players. I wasn't alone. We loved Niasse beyond reason also because him scoring were two fat fingers up to Koeman.

Barry Rathbone
638 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:44:01
Nuno has talked himself out of it; Moyes has signed at WHU... leaving Benitez and Martinez as the only serious contenders.

Could be they are floating the Benitez story to draw fire whilst the Martinez appointment is finalised. People previously hostile to zapatos marrones are now saying Bobby before Benitez – it's a neat little trick if they can pull it off.

Brian Murray
639 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:45:48
Michael post 648. You mean any manager that can get to a final without scoring! The ball was no where near over the kin line. No goal line tech then. Wasn’t even close. Them shiesters luck as per.
Peter Mills
640 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:47:36
I wonder whether the Board are simply using Benitez as a stalking horse, to assist their negotiations with another, better candidate?

If so, it would be a disappointment for Rafa when the news is broken to him that his application for the post has been unsuccessful.

It would be an unpalatable duty to have to convey such a message to him. Would those interested in volunteering for the task please form an orderly queue behind me.

Barry Hesketh
641 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:49:22
It looks as if I and a few others will have to apologise due to us not taking the Benitez jibe too seriously, if Hunter's analysis of the derby played at Anfield in February 2007 is a true reflection of what Benitez said and his intentions for saying it.

2007 Derby

Les Green
642 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:51:30
Obvious click-bait from the red media, designed to wind up Blues and give the RS something to feel smug about since Henderson spunked that penalty.
Brian Harrison
643 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:52:11
David Baxter 641

Dave just a caveat to your Shankly post, you are right he did leave of his own free will, although what happened when he went to Melwood to train after he left was he didnt interfere with proceedings but all the players kept coming over to talk to him. Bob Paisley quite rightly said Bill its causing a detraction with the players you being here can you come back in the afternoon when the players have left. For whatever reason he chose to train at Bellfield where he lived in the road at the back of our training ground.

I did get told a few years after Shankly left that it was about the signing of Ray Kennedy from Arsenal. While Shankly was on holiday some years earlier Liverpool sold Johnny Morrisey to Everton, and he warned the then board that if you ever sell a player again without my consent then that's me finished. Then one morning he was in the corridor at Anfield and John Smith the then chairmen told Shankly that he had spoken to Dennis Hill Wood the chairman of Arsenal and he had agreed to sell Kennedy and he would be turning up tomorrow for a medical. Shankly true to his word and resigned, his last act as manager was the signing of Ray Kennedy.

Paul Niklas
644 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:54:54
Most managers with any vision would struggle in being told you have to keep Duncan, Rhino, Jeffery, Ebbrell etc etc. Non achievers and only attribute played for Everton and won fuck all. The place needs a clear out from top to bottom including In house appointments like the CEO etc etc. New broom erase the pointless focus on history and move forward with a new approach because the old one and current one is fucking useless. It also passes the RS big style which is also a bonus.
Danny O’Neill
645 Posted 17/06/2021 at 10:56:01
I seriously hope all this click bait and smoke & mirrors talk is on the money. Well, I'm latching onto it. The club are, behind the scenes, negotiating with other candidates and are going to surprise us by appointing Terzic or Ten Hag.

Meanwhile, back in the real world.

Paul Hardy
646 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:00:08
Please do not appoint this arrogant Kopite to manage our club. His comments about us when he was in charge of the other lot cannot be forgiven. I’ve never liked him and never will. Don’t do it!
Danny Broderick
647 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:21
Not bothered about a quip he made nearly 15 years ago. But he is a kopite, so he is out of the reckoning for that alone in my book. No Benitez. No Gerrard. There seems to be a media obsession with us appointing someone from Liverpool. Just no!

I’ve been growing very disillusioned with modern football in general - all the cheating, money, VAR etc. So much so that I’m losing faith in Everton. This would be the final straw for me if we appoint Benitez. The two main candidates we have pursued are simply two managers who are available. Surely we should not be narrowing down candidates just because they are available?!

Anyone but Benitez for me.

Conor McCourt
648 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:02:53
Benitez drifting like a barge on betfair. He can now be backed around the 8-13 mark from 1-4 or so last night. This is not the price of someone who has been offered the job.
Robert Tressell
649 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:04:33
I doubt the club is playing any mind games here. In reality it takes a while to sort out any senior hire. Spurs haven't quite confirmed Fonseca yet and they had a big head start.

The reality may be that there's a very limited pool of qualified / avaliable / interested managers out there and the Club is still exploring options before making an appointment – or has effectively decided already but there's a few inevitable wrinkles to iron out.

I still think (hope) it will be Santo – considering the other realistic options.

It may well be the rumours are generated purely to generate advertising / betting revenue. The mind games are just a way to get us to click on website links and gamble our money away.

Rob Young
650 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:06:25
I agree, Paul #657.

If the club rate Ferguson so much, why don't they give him the job?

James Lauwervine
651 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:08:55
If this happens I will not be watching one second of our games until he leaves. Maybe I'll just give up football entirely, that's been tempting enough in recent times already. I really thought Allardyce was as low as we could go, but this would truly be an unbearable disgrace.
Alan Peake
652 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:10:03
I get worried with all the talk about Martinez returning, international management suits Martinez, as his players turn up well drilled in defensive responsibilities from their respective clubs, and apart from tournaments, Martinez doesn't have enought time to change this mentality, but in club football where he's with the players day in day out, his shortcomings in the defensive side of the team would soon start to show again, so a big no from me, and a bigger no for Benitez
Derek Knox
653 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:25:50
Danny @ 658, how could the Club possibly be considering Ten Hags, when the Grafton shut it's doors years ago? :-)
Barry Hesketh
654 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:27:58
Fabrizio Romano tweeted this earlier:
Official. Gennaro Gattuso part ways Fiorentina only 22 days after the appointment, because of the problems on transfers strategy with Gattuso’s agent Jorge Mendes.

This could explain why Nuno hasn't as yet been given the opportunity to manage Everton. If Benitez is appointed could he outlast Gattuso at Fiorentina?

To provide a workable solution, while the leaders of our club sort out who is in charge of recruitment and what it is that they are trying to achieve, appoint Ferguson on a one-year contract, and during his time at the helm, do some real due diligence on his replacement. If Duncan is a true blue he would accept that this would be better for the club, than having Benitez in charge for any period of time. It would also help in finding out if Duncan is good enough for the job.

Anthony Dove
655 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:31:36
I hope everyone who wants Benitez will enjoy the Kop's reaction when he comes out of the tunnel.

It won't bother me as I won't be watching.

Dave Evans
656 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:38:05

Potter, Howe and Dyche have all shown they can regularly put out well motivated teams and get the best out of average or young players.

Every manager has their faults but I would genuinely look forward to next season with any of these three as ours.

Dyche, particularly, has had the not good enough sneer from these pages. Yet, I could imagine the fan base really getting behind a 'sleeves rolled up' type of team he would send out.
We might even enjoy the odd long ball to DCL and Richie if it meant it would soar over Gomes or Schneids.
Dear god, we might even win the odd second ball.

James Marshall
657 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:42:24
If we put aside the obvious RS link, and the 15-year-old 'small club' comment (we aren't a big club by modern standards) is it really a bad idea? A big part of it comes down to him being very experienced, and living locally.

The fact he lives in the area is actually a huge plus, isn't it? No relocation, and a happy manager would surely be a good idea... if you can put aside the above.

I'm not necessarily in favour of Benitez, but his appointment does have its plus points.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
658 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:46
Perhaps Rafa is being lined up to head up the front of house staff in corporate hospitality now we can have the return of crowds.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
659 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:44:48
Perhaps Rafa is being lined up to head up the front of house staff in corporate hospitality now we can have the return of crowds.
Mark Murphy
660 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:03
Anthony, me neither but I'm interested - what do you think the Kops reaction will be?
Andrew Grey
661 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:07
Lucien Favre is the latest to enter the betting market.

Did well at Dortmund before being sacked for doing not so well!

Attacking football is his style.

Barry Hesketh
662 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:46:55
This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen - good job it's a mock-up.

Club Badge

Andrew Ellams
663 Posted 17/06/2021 at 11:51:54
People keep saying Benitez still lives in the area, but owning a house is not living there.

Has been commuting to China, Naples or Newcastle from the Wirral?

Klopp rents a house from Brendan Rodgers, does that mean Rodgers still lives in the area?

Brian Williams
664 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:00
Sorry, but using the "he lives local" aspect as some sort of qualification or plus for him getting the Everton job is ridiculous IMO.If Ancelotti, with all his trophies and achievements, couldn't do the job, and it was pretty obvious he couldn't, then why would Benitez be able to with less trophies and achievements less recent than Ancelotti?

He's done nothing of note for years and plays (I'm not gonna say it) living dead football better than Ancelotti. He's a recipe for disaster IMO and that's without the links to the redshite. Add that to the mix and it's like a sick joke.

I know there are those who are big and adult enough to overlook his past connections and I respect their outlook and won't call them for it but I'm not, and do not want him anywhere near this club.

Eric Myles
665 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:06:04
Benitez nearly bankrupted Liverpool and, since having to work under financial restraints at other clubs, hasn't lasted long.

Don't think he'd stay long with us when he hears the "He's Our Fat Spanish Waiter" chants from the crowd.

Dave Lynch
666 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:08:01
Tbh, I'm bored with the whole scenario now.

Is it a case of... the board split over who they want, or the top managers laughing their bollox off when approached, either way it needs to be sorted ASAP.

Out of them all I'd prefer Martinez but he was too close to the teary one for my liking, Dyche and Howe, no thank you.

Potter has potential but that is all he has and I don't think he would leave Brighton anyways.

It depends on what the club want from the manager. A yes man who won't question the shitty status quo we have, then give it to Duncan, he's part of the furniture after all.

A man who will shake up the status quo? There's a few about but my feeling is the club is to nepotistic for them to allow that to happen.

I've said it before that we are run like a cottage industry rather than a big business. This needs to change and whilst Bill and his cronies are involved it never will.

Alan Brown
667 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:09:52
Ernesto Valverde anyone?
Len Hawkins
668 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:19:27
From what I've read the Boardroom was flooded out with tears if the corpulent one didn't get his way and from what I can gather he is big on Benitez. Mind you he is big on anyone.

I can't for the life of me understand how Kenwright has any input whatsoever.

Andrew Grey
669 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:20:01
The new favourite is now the 'Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town'

Come on we can do better than this at least get someone from up north and not some dribbling cockney!

Kev Jones
670 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:22:55
Is this the first unexploded bomb dredged up from BMD?
Steve Croston
671 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:16
Rafa the Gaffer, you're having a laugha!

I remember seething when I saw Sammy Lee prancing around on our touchline as Sam's assistant, so I can't even imagine how I'll feel when I see this fat, old has-been waddling up and down it!
This would be an absolute low point in our history; please, please don't let it come to fruition.

Ajay Gopal
672 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:28:51
My first comment on this thread - just to make my position very clear - absolutely NO to Benitez. This would be the most crazy decision made/endorsed by Moshiri. For all of Benitez' Pros and Cons as a football manager, just the possibility of dividing the fan base of a club like Everton has to be the most sacrilegious thought that an owner could consider. After all the frustrations of the past 2-3 decades, the fans are desperate for a feeling of hope and optimism. I think that is what most fans crave for, even more than actually winning a trophy. A hope that their team will play exciting football, will challenge the best in the league.

Nobody knows why the interest in Nuno has cooled - his relationship with Mendes? Insistence by the club that Big Dunc continues to be on the coaching staff? The size of the Nuno entourage? I really like Nuno - he has just the right combination, IMO, of implementing modern coaching techniques, being pragmatic, hard working, hands-on, passionate about his job, experience in the PL, a decent record of success (relatively speaking).

If not Nuno, then Potter for me. He would be risky, but he has kept lowly Brighton in the league quite comfortably for a couple of seasons and plays good football with the players and funds available to him. I just see a great potential (think Wenger or Alex Ferguson) in him, who can potentially transform this sleeping giant.

If not these 2 guys, and assuming that the club have talked to Galtier, Conte, Mancini, Pochettino's representatives and been quickly turned down, then I wouldn't mind going back to Martinez. He has had 5 years of reflection after moving on from Everton. Surely, he would have gotten wiser, and with Brands to take care of player recruitments and talent development, he would be a better manager than earlier. Plus, I have always liked him for the way he represented Everton Football Club. He 'got' the club.

Paul Hewitt
673 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:32:56
The last time I saw so many tears was when my son came in and said someone called him a name. He was 7 though.
Anthony Murphy
674 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:33:54
It ain't over ‘til the Fat Spanish Waiter sings!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

675 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:34:53
The 'meedjah'. Online bookies. Fans.

Nobody. Knows. Nuffink!

Clive Rogers
676 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:39:22
Len, 682, correct. Kenwright really hasn’t a clue about football. In my lifetime we always went for a proven manager before Billy boy. He went for Preston then Wigan managers. Even now he wants them back.
Also after running the club down for twenty years he told us “I haven’t a clue about business”.
Mark Ryan
677 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:47:50
Steve @ 687 I'm not sure what you and others haver been watching for the past 10 years and more but we have been at a low point throughout that entire time.
How does employing Benitez take us to a low point ?
Some say "we'll become a laughing stock"...become a laughing stock ? we became that when under Moyes we couldn't win a single Derby match.
We are a mid table team who think we are deserving of a top manager such as Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone etc
Everyone needs to wake up. We are not near competing in the Premier League let alone European competitions
We ought to be grateful that anyone is considering us. We are a shambles. The quality of our midfield is woeful, the defence not much better. Benitez might just grab this club by the scruff of its neck and start to sort it out.
It's no good everyone threatening to stop supporting the club and walk away. This is the time to galvanize ourselves as a group of supporters and get behind whoever wants the job. If we don't we're sunk
David Smith
678 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:53:39
"Everton put 8 or 9 men behind the ball and defended deep, but that's what small clubs do"

Rafa Benitez on Everton in 2007.

No no no no no no no no no no no no, no thank you.

Paul Hewitt
679 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:55:50
David@693. Crime of the century that.
Brian Harrison
680 Posted 17/06/2021 at 12:57:57
I think when ex players like Andy Gray and Alan Stubbs say no its surely got to make people reconsider this move. Even Paul Robinson the ex goalkeeper said Benitez has been in China for a few years getting well paid, he said that's what they do when they are nearing the end.
Paul Hewitt
681 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:02:25
It's a pity some of you can't mention the charity work he and his family have done over the years for the city, and still do. But let's just pick up on a comment he made years ago, and was probably right.
Mark Ryan
682 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:06
said something 14 years ago which was a pointed comment from an opposition manager. This comment has offended some, to such an extent, that they would tear up their season tickets, walk away from supporting the club if we hired him, just bizarre. God help us
Paul Niklas
683 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:03:38
If an Everton manager after a derby game had said Liverpool were a small club, you would all have loved it. Apart from this appointment pissing off the RS, it also as some have said gets rid of the stuck-in-the-past Everton fans who are so fucking blinkered and ignorant of reality, like the Blue fucking Union, for example, giving up their season tickets. Then I say good fucking riddance – you add no value anyway.
Howard Sykes
684 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:05:14
So the board and Bill want to hire a Liverpool cast off manager. Prediction for the next first team kit -Red shorts and shirt. Jeez you couldn't make it up.
Ray Jacques
685 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:06:53
Mark (692), I am thinking along your lines. Some clown said on an earlier post they wouldnt even have Klopp as manager!

I can understand some of the vitriol as I hate the RS but get over a comment made 14 years ago by the manager of our biggest rivals. Wish our past managers were like that

I am sure Benitez doesnt need the money, so look at it from his point of view taking on the job of managing Everton and having to take it to that lot. Fair play to him. If he is successful, imagine their reaction.

I love all the Beneathus jibes as well, because isn't that the year he won the Champions league? Jeez we would die to win the Milk/Littlewoods/ League/ Caribou (sic) cup or whatever its called these days.

Little club eh, the truth is more painful than the jibe seeing as we have only won once at Anfield since he said it.

John Boon
686 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:08:41
AS much as I would hate this move such an appointment would NEVER stop me from supporting Everton. Nobody is bigger enough to do that.Once a Blue always a Blue. COYB but please change the latest NEWS !!!
James Stewart
687 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:03
@688

Haha quality.

James Stewart
688 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:09:04
Again, not the most progressive move but Moshiri clearly wants experience and to continue on the path he went down with Carlo.

I don't understand all the high drama from many blues, we've had a lot worse and got behind it. Marco Silva ffs! If it's Benitez then so be it. I just hope we show a bit more class than the Chelsea fans did with him. I always thought the abuse they gave him was embarrassing, surely we are better than that.

Rennie Smith
689 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:12:17
Absolute no, f-right off.

It's not about his previous comments or behaviour, it's the fact that he's another on his way out. He's spent a couple of years picking up easy cash in China and before that just about saved Newcastle from the drop. Big deal, does that make him on a par with Steve Bruce? Would anyone on here settle for Steve Bruce? Of course not.

No no no no no, didn't I mention no.

Rennie Smith
690 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:17:16
Ray@700, he probably doesn't need the money but the fact that we're just down the road from his house makes us an easy, can't be arsed option.

I asked a lad in work why he's been here for 15 years, because it's a 5-minute drive away was his response. That's about the same ambition that he'll show us.

All the whinging over the last few years about mercenary players just picking up a wage, and here we want to get the biggest mercenary of them all in!!

NO!

Kevin Prytherch
691 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:19:29
I see that Lucien Favre is now also being slowly backed…..
Shane Corcoran
692 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:20:24
James 703, agree. I await the reaction. I feel a sigh coming on.
Rick Tarleton
693 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:07
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Ed Fitzgerald
694 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:38:50
Ray @700

You state Benitez doesn’t need the money and you are of course correct, therefore I am sure he will snub his nose at the rumoured million pound a month Moshiri is prepared to pay him and accept a contract based upon the teams performance. No of course he won’t the greedy FSW is demanding exactly the same terms he was getting in China. He rejected a 6 million pound a year contract at NUFC to go to China. I’d be prepared to give him a pass for the tunnel and no more.

For those who are berating posters who say they will no longer attend Goodison and or withdraw their support over this issue, please, get over yourselves, lots of Evertonians decide to jack it in, when something happens they disagree with or just fall out of love with club. For my aging dad it was Sky and the birth of the premier league, he just shakes his head when he witnesses his 59 year old son fretting over all matters Everton.

Just watching Sky’s coverage of it and they are reporting that Liverpool fans appear quite happy about it and bear him no ill will, well that’s ok then. Alan Ball, Howard Kendall, Brian Labone, John Moores Harry Catterick must be turning in their graves at this lamentable turn of events.

It’s like some kind of dystopian sci-fi film we can’t get into Goodison for 18 months due to a global pandemic and then when we go to cheer the Blues on a sunny August afternoon there is the FSW waving to the crowd saying how happy he is to be at the people’s cluuub

Richard Nelson
695 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:41:17
..Paul @ 698 home truths..couldn't agree more..!
John Boswell
696 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:43:52
I could no more walk away from my beloved Everton than I could decide to stop breathing.
Overly dramatic?
We do not know what is happening in the boardroom, we are reacting to a fact vacuum and so called click bait.
The media needs to be called out by Everton, we were never part of the Sky Fab Four or latterly the Super Six, yet Everton Is one of only 6 clubs who are ever present in the English Premier League. Does that not qualify the club for a better press recognition?
Any fan under 40 will have no idea what Everton have achieved in its past but that is history, the club needs to start challenging at the top of the league and for the cups on a regular basis.
Meanwhile the club needs to find the right manager who will work with Marcel Brands and support this pairing in running the playing side of the business.
For my part I will continue to support my football team, Our club, COYB.
Rob Halligan
697 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:46:53
Fuck this, I’m driving down to finch farm to see if anything is happening, or any news? It’s only a ten minute drive away. Will report back later.
Liam Heffernan
698 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:47:20
I think ( hope) this is a smokescreen. When we appoint some shit manager, we’ll all go thank fuck for that we dodged an FSW bullet.
Geoff Lambert
699 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:48:54
Paul nicklas
You can do one with the fat Spanish waster.
John Hammond
700 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:52:43
Guardian saying we've been in contact with Favre.

Nuno close... Benitez close... I genuinely think the club are putting names out to gauge fan's reaction. They are taking their time. If not, Benitez or Nuno would've been the manager by now.

I just don't see Benitez becoming manager. The club must know it's a huge risk especially with the overhaul the squad needs. The second we go on a bad run supporters will be burning effigies of Benitez in the streets. He'll be hounded out.

Nick Page
701 Posted 17/06/2021 at 13:55:20
The cryarsing on here is an absolute embarrassment from grown men. It’s football, it’s about results, and winning things which,
sadly we haven’t done for a generation thanks largely to some extraordinary mismanagement at the top - which a lot of the so called “experts” on here still fail to see - so get over yourselves. He managed Liverpool. So fucking what. He has a dog called Red…heathen. Who cares as long as he’s winning.
Iain Johnston
702 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:02:58
I don't tend to comment anymore, most of you answer my questions.

Martinez, no.

This is the guy who turned his nose up at Aderwiereld for €3.5m during the 2014 WC because he preferred Besic for £4m. The year before, a week into his career with us, he wasn't interested in VVD either when he could have had him from Groningen for around £3m preferring to bring Alcaraz from Wigan.

This is the guy who substitutes a player when we're 2-0 up because his I pad stats recommended it, we lost 3-2.

Sky Sports journo Vinnie O'Connor after England reversed a 2 goal deficit against Germany to win?
"I think the German dug out had Martinez in charge for the 2nd half".

This bloke turned a top 6/7th placed competitive team into a 12th placed also ran with one of the best strikers in world football.

For what it's worth, my choice would be Favre. He transformed Monchengladbach, did the same in the short time he spent at Nice and wasn't too bad at Dortmund either.

If a younger man is favoured, my choice would be Lampard with Duncan and also bring in John Terry.

Danny O’Neill
703 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:03:49
They say to hate, you have to love. Once you love, you're hooked and you're never going back. None of us are walking away. I can't and never will no matter what they put me through.

Rob, please tell me what's going on. I don't think the dogs can take much more. I think they're starting to disown me.

But they won't; they love me with undying loyalty as much as I do Everton.

I am not as hostile as some, but really don't want us to have our Tottenham George Graham moment the more I think about it.

Steve Brown
704 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:04:04
Correct Geoff, Paul Niklas can do one and take Al McWhiggin with him.
Dave Lynch
705 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:07:12
Don't agree with this putting names out to judge the fans reaction.

That would be like the club allowing us to pick the next manager, the board is either split and if so Moshiri should pull rank and tell the others to fuck off, or no-one of any repute wants the job because it's got conditions built in, ie you have to keep so and so because they are part of the furniture.

Rob Young
706 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:08:47
Nick, you wouldn't mind red shirts if it gets us results?
How about moving the club to Dublin? If that gets us results?
Christy Ring
707 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:10:41
Still loads of speculation, as I said earlier I’m no fan of Rafa, but if he was successful I’d grin and bear it, but he’s past his sell by date, and crap for the last 10 years. If Bill is behind it, he should be told to go, not in charge anymore
Brian Wilkinson
708 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:20
It was well know back in 1977, before we got Gordon Lee, Bobby Robson was all but manager, after a last minute uturn, it was also known that Bill Shankley was waiting for Everton to make a move for him.

So how many on here would have said no thanks to Bill Shankly, because of his Liverpool connection.

At the time I would say almost everyone, but as the years passed and he appeared at home games, Everton fans warmed to him.

So if Benitez had not managed Liverpool, would you still have the same not a chance attitude to the guy.

We had the same reaction, when we signed two Liverpool fringe players in Alan Harper and Kevin Sheedy, usual shouts of we do not want players that cannot even get regular game time for them.

So take the Red shite connection out of the thinking, then do your thoughts then change to, he might actually do a job at Everton.

Jay Harris
709 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:13:59
Nick,
"Who cares as long as he’s winning."

There is the nub of the problem, he hasnt been winning for a very long time and a lot of Evertonians myself included think this is the worst appointment we could make.

Just watch the club go South when he starts to lose a few games and blames the board or the players and the crowd turn toxic.

This appointment has tears all over it. Just look at the poll with over 50% against him. That is not a recipe for success.

And the truth is he is getting it because he retains big Dunc as his assistant.

This has Kenwright's Machiavellian hand written all over it IMO.

Stephen Vincent
710 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:15:55
Paul Niklas - how fucking dare you.
Ian Horan
711 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:20
If The three stooges, BPB, Mosh and Brands are disregarding the history between us and Rafa it must be about time we fucked off that cringeworthy happy clappy " grand old team to play for!!" That gets played at Goodison, as our history now means nothing to the stooges!!!
Jay Harris
712 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:26
Brian,
Putting aside any Liverpool connection or barbed comments about our club what has the guy done in the prem since he left Liverpool.

The only reason he wants the job is because of his family not because he sees Everton as an opportunity to win things.

Mike Gaynes
713 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:21:33
Pete #653, that job is all yours. Enjoy.

Brian #695, it's not just the time he spent in China, it's the fact that he failed there. He won 12 of 38 games at Dalian. Even brought Rondon with him from Barcodes and still couldn't cut it in a very easy league.

Rob #712, we await your report.

Mick O'Malley
714 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:25:53
I wouldn’t want him even if he come striding out onto Goodson Park wearing a Kopites are Gobshites t-shirt
Mick O'Malley
715 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:29:30
Nick Page the 700 plus posts shows that a lot of Blues do care, if you want him that’s your prerogative, you don’t have to read them
Jonathan Tasker
716 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:37:36
Everton can’t be bothered to do a proper process.
Benitez only wants the job so he doesn’t have to move house.
Kenwright wants him as it means Ferguson is retained.
What a dismal small time club we have become.
Even if it’s not Benitez it will be someone totally uninspiring.
David Pearl
717 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:45:19
Jonathan, who said Kenwright wants him? Considering sky where all over this yesterday afternoon its all gone quiet. We are all desperate for an appointment as we think its needed to move forwards. As long as Brands keeps doing his job, perhpaps the wait isn't such a bad thing if he can carry on his recruitment process and do his job for a change without interference from a manager that wants his favourites bought in.
Mike Gaynes
718 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:47:33
"...so fucking blinkered and ignorant of reality like the Blue fucking Union for example giving up there season tickets then I say good fucking riddance you add no value anyway."

Hmmm... talk about adding no value...
Rob Halligan
719 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:49:28
Just back from finch farm. As I say, it’s only a ten minute drive away. Absolutely nothing there, no sky sports crew, BBC, ITV, nothing. Could be good news because I think it is being reported on sky that he could sign today, so unless it’s all happening at Goodison, which I doubt as many photo shoots, video’s etc, are mainly carried out at finch farm. So I think it’s very doubtful anything will happen today. All bullshit if you ask me!
Karen Mason
720 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:52:56
So for those of you who would n't mind Benitez as our Manager, imagine this scenario...
He still has an affinity with the Red Sh1te and their fans. He has no affinity or respect for our small club. He doesn't give a monkeys hump whether we win or lose, as he is still picking up his fat pay cheque. We get relegated, because he doesn't care about our club, and gets sacked, with a hefty payoff. Continues to be legend over the park, because he took us down. He and their fans all just laughing at our once proud club. I ask you, is that so unbelievable? Do you still think it's ok to have him in the Goodison dug out? I have never been so troubled, distressed, and felt so gutted about my club as I will if this goes ahead.
Thomas Richards
721 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:54:03
Paul Niklas.

If it wasnt for the Blue Union we would be playing in a stadium attached to a tescos in Kirkby.

100% crap your post

Barry Hesketh
722 Posted 17/06/2021 at 14:57:54
Someone on another Everton fansite renamed Benitez as Paellardyce. Made me chuckle and not a million miles from the truth really.
Brian Murray
723 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:02:34
Thomas post 736, amen to that brother. As we have seen any agm is very much restricted and a closed shop so no awkward pertinent questions can be asked about the ineptitude of teary arse and his side kicks. Been a blue over a century but this as highlighted how badly run we are which in the fallout might be a good thing if our blinkered billionaire realises the damage and stagnation around him. Won’t hold my breath he seems as daft as the blubbering one next to him. Won’t say his name kin hate him more than I ever did shankley.
Ian Burns
724 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:03:57
Boy so many posts and such a divide of opinions - “no” getting the majority vote me thinks.

However I am posting because without doubt every single post is based on supposition and news from any journo who wishes to comment.

We have no idea what is happening in the boardroom. For what it’s worth Kenwright is an Evertonian and any suggestion he would support a move for Benitez is unthinkable! But what the hell do I know - literally sweet FA.

At a guess we will end up with Favre and that would do me even though I was praying for Galtier.

Brian Murray
725 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:07:20
Karen. post 735. Relax. Galtier just been seen on county road getting a pie dinner and he’s now having a glass in the brick as we speak. Ken right about to resign. Realises he is part of the problem not the solution. Jeez what time is it I must of dozed off.
Tom Harvey
726 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:10:08
Do we forgive him???

https://twitter.com/NilSatisNews/status/1405223259742867463

Mike Gaynes
727 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:22:27
Rob #734, cheers, mate... thanks for making the drive over.

Brian #740, I know you're kidding about Galtier, but apparently some Blues haven't given up on him, especially since there's been no news in two weeks concerning his move to Nice: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/christophe-galtier-social-media-campaign-20826698

Joe McMahon
728 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:26:50
Barry @737, quite a good one that. But what does that make Unsworth? He's a lot fatter than them all.
Pete Clarke
729 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:29:46
Couple of thoughts.
Moshiri and Kenwright both need Ferguson as he looks after them like a minder. ( especially Bill )
Kenwright threatened to leave if he didnt get his own way and Moshiri has fallen for it because he loves him dearly so bill has been in Moshiri’s ear telling him that not only does Benitez have a past history of trophies but that he will work for less than half of what NES wanted, he will let Ferguson stay and his experience will keep us up.
What more could Moshiri want ?? You know, protect your investment and all of that lark !

John Keating
730 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:31
Karen
Can’t argue with your post, however, any manager coming in has no affinity to us
At the end of the day they’d no sleep if we were relegated, laughed off the park or whatever
The only people who show any and every allegiance, lose sleep and live their lives for Everton is us
Brent Stephens
731 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:31:40
Brian #738 "Been a blue over a century. "

Strewth. World War 1 veteran?

David Nicholls
732 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:13
Big Nev on Talksport pushing for big Dunc!

Seriously, I would much rather have Rafa as Dunc has done nothing in his career that would suggest he is capable of managing a Premier League team with top 6 ambitions.

Unless of course you include that stroke of genius where we lined up with a back 3 prior to kick off against Utd, only for the big reveal that Holgate was playing in midfield!
That that the opposition completely bamboozled for all of 5 seconds!

Thomas Richards
733 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:32:15
What has a coach/managers weight got to do with his credentials to do his job?
Paul Niklas
734 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:35:22
The Blue Union donate a tin of spam brigade. The remaining militant tendency from the 80s. Your delusional if you believe that in fact you have no idea what your talking about on that front. Probably one of the 12 year olds they forced into marching for them to boost there numbers. They were nothing but a slight on this club and did nothing but drag our name through the mud. That's why they turned into spam collectors to hide how bad they were. Benitez or anyone else for that matter is the choice of the man with the money not the socialists or the fans for that matter something the Union never understood. If they had there way the would be delsicrating Howard's grave and getting Neville Southall back to run the club under the guise of a committee of socialists but wanting somebody else's money to spend at the same time.

Time to Forget your fucking history blues and move into a new era of forward thinking without the baggage.

Mike Gaynes
735 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:14
I haven't prowled all the posts, but am I the first one to nominate Gattuso as a possibility?

Just bailed on Fiorentina after three weeks. He and Italy appear to have had enough of each other.

No tactical genius, for sure, and like Nuno a Mendes client... but what a motivator. Our sleepy midfielders wouldn't know what hit them when Gattuso landed at Goodison. And he showed at Milan that he knows how to win games.

We'd never be bored.

Thomas Richards
736 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:38:26
A new contender for the Twat of the Month award.

Even money favourite.

Brian Murray
737 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:43:58
Brent post 746 hahah the thought of kopites being our boss getting me delirious.
Marc Hints
738 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:46:16
Fonseca to Spurs is off now, maybe they will go for Benitez
Alan Brown
739 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:50:27
Why is it with Everton that just when you think it can’t get any worse - it does?
To be honest I expect that tomorrow’s papers will be full of him turning us down as he couldn’t do that to the Liverpool supporters he loved so much.
David Nicholls
740 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:02
Mike @ 751 Gattuso! That would be interesting, I recall an interview with Pirlo where he had to miss an international match after Gattuso attacked him with a fork! Can I be the first to suggest Mourinho
Barry Hesketh
741 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:14
Yes, Marc and Mike G's suggestion of Gattuso is being considered by Spurs.
Marc Hints
742 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:51:30
and Fonseca will be then the favourite for us Alan
David Pearl
743 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:53:23
Paul, 750
Up the workers and all that.
Kieran Kinsella
744 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:54:41
Mike

Gatusso bailed as apparently Fiorentina wouldn't allow his pay master Mendes to call the shots on transfers. I'd say that's a red flag for him and Nuno. That apart, other than being a loud mouth roughneck he hasn't done much to prove his coaching credentials.

Ian Horan
745 Posted 17/06/2021 at 15:59:50
Fonseca now back on the market, talks with Spurs broken-down over transfer budget..
Barry Hesketh
746 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:05:48
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Paulo Fonseca to Tottenham is 100% OFF. Deal collapsed because of taxes issues despite contract already completed and set to be signed - Fonseca had tax advantages from an Italian law which is not applicable in the UK

That would suggest that he isn't going to Everton either.

Anthony Murphy
747 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:07:04
How many names have been discussed here over the past 2 weeks or so? Each day brings new names - Favre and Gatusso today. All ok with me though, it’s led to some inspired and intriguing debates. Will be interesting to see if we end back where we started with Nuno. I’m just surprised Vitor Pereira hasn’t been mentioned given our interest in him previously - oh there you go.
Mike Gaynes
748 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:08
Kieran, agreed that the Mendes thing is an issue, but I wouldn't exactly call it a red flag. Mendes is no clown like Raiola.

As for his coaching credentials, I disagree. He won half his games at Milan with a weird and unbalanced roster, and won almost 60% of his games at Napoli. And remember he's only 43 and still learning. Would certainly fit the expressed desire of many here for a young, growing coach. He's also great in a press conference.

News reports today have Spurs in for him immediately upon his departure from Fiorentina.

Andrew Ellams
749 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:13:55
David Nicholls, you can suggest Mourinho all you want as fortunately for us he's just taken over at Roma.
Mike Gaynes
750 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:15:23
Barry #762, I saw that too and immediately came to the same conclusion. Fabrizio Romano is a solid, credible source. Broke the Zidane/Madrid news a full day ahead of anybody else. So I don't doubt the Fonseca news.
Robert Tressell
751 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:18:20
If the Spurs Fonseca deal is off then it highlights the paucity of options. He's quite an average manager yet has turned down Spurs who trump us for:

- London base
- Squad quality
- Stadium
- Recent pedigree
- (possibly) transfer budget

If the Fonseca deal broke down over transfer kitty, I guess there's a sense of realism / pointlessness about some of these appointments. Unfortunately there is almost no chance of breaking the domination of 4 big, valuable squads.

They still wouldn't appoint Benitez though.

I still think we'll get Santo although not sure why. Spurs might give Scott Parker a go.

Paul Niklas
752 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:19:20
Yes up the workers but also up the owners who are the ones risking all giving jobs the workers. The Union were just as ever out of touch like they were in the 80s when they single handedly embarrassed the City and fucked it until Heseltine came along under Thatcher and started the turnaround. Everton need an Heseltine not a Tony Benn. Get Benitez now and start the evolution we don't need revolution. Some one once said that?
Mike Gaynes
753 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:16
Lovely ESPN feature right now on the tribute wall for Eriksen.

10th-minute tribute is planned. And I really hope he's chosen to hand the trophy to the champion, if he's able. He's the face of this tournament now.

Barry Hesketh
754 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:21:21
I agree Mike, however, another take from Alasdair Gold:

So as I understand it (but let's be honest it could change again because it's Spurs) Gennaro Gattuso was Fabio Paratici's preferred choice and he wanted him at Juventus before he left, but he wasn't available for Tottenham.

So Fonseca became the available top choice. Everything was agreed between him and Spurs. Even yesterday they were sorting stuff for his visa and all the administrative stuff. Paratici and Fonseca had meetings this week in Milan and Como, to prepare for the season ahead.

Everything was going through. Then Gattuso left Fiorentina today and everything has gone haywire and Spurs have now switched their attentions to him. Fonseca's people are completely bewildered (sound familiar). A day in the life of covering Tottenham for you there.

In reply, a Spurs supporter tweeted:
Tottenham are running the most important managerial appointment issue like a ninth-division club. The board are all to blame

See it isn't just us that have misgivings about the leadership at a club.

Barry Hesketh
755 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:25:20
Paul @768,

Please go and peddle your political views on an appropriate political website - what on earth has the appointment of a manager got to do with Socialism or Thatcherism or any other -ism???

Billy Roberts
756 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:06
Paul Niklas – #750 and other corkers!!

What time do the pubs open in your neighbourhood?

Kieran Kinsella
757 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:26:30
Barry

So Tottenham got Mullered. Remember that joker, showed up having agreed terms then said "wait a minute, we have to pay taxes on this?"

But as far as Fonseca goes, tax or no tax, he is not exactly going to be short of a few bob if he manages in England. Don't see him getting many other highly paid jobs in Europe.

Mike Gaynes
758 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:27:37
Barry, haha... compared to the executive office mess at Spurs, the Everton management team look like the faculty at Harvard Business School. Spurs have all the economic advantages we can only dream of, but that club is such a train wreck that their living legend can't wait to leave.

Gattuso would certainly fix their issue with softness, although I doubt he'd last more than a year there.

Mary Coleman
759 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:28:17
Carlo does a runner as soon as a better opportunity comes along and because of this you are calling for Duncan to lose his job, the disloyalty you display is unbelievable.

Let’s not forget, Carlo Ancelotti was not sacked, he moved on, yes he shit on us however he went on to what was bigger and better for him, for this you call for Duncan’s head, like he had something to do with it. I’m sure Duncan did his best to embrace Carlo in this city, looked to me like he was trying to bring him closer to the fans and the people of Merseyside, do you not think Duncan effected by Ancelotti’s departure?! Nope you want him sacked!!

Then Nuno - some of you are stating he was offered millions but has declined because Duncan is part of the set up, absolutely garbage, really where do you get this information from?

Another says “is Duncan is a true Evertonian” FFS, that's ludicrous.

Do you think the club are stupid, the club need Ferguson on the bench… What happens if the next manager walks out or is sacked mid season and we are bottom of the league, please tell me what would the club do. They would turn to Ferguson or the U23s coach to take over and steady the ship until a new manager was appointed. Makes sense doesn’t it….

And another “they won't leave there cosy set up”…. Really what garbage… Let’s consider how cosy Ferguson felt taking on Chelsea, Man U, Leicester and Arsenal when our football club was on the absolute floor and facing the championship.

Some fans on here have really short memories however it seems to be the same minority, the ones that don’t go the game!!

And please tell or show me a quite when did Duncan declared he wants the job. Let’s see the facts…

Kieran Kinsella
760 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:32
Paul Niklas

That's a good first step to making yourself more unpopular than any of the managerial options mentioned on here.

Ed Fitzgerald
761 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:29:33
Paul Niklas

You are talking out of your arse it was Thatcher and her kind who fucked this city and the rest of the North. What a brilliant idea for any nation to decimate its manufacturing base, deregulate credit and fuel a debt crisis. Decades later public money is used to bail out banks and effectively renationalise the rail network.

John Charles
762 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:31:23
Paul Niklas,

Sorry to say it but you have no idea of the city's history – nor the clubs'.

Robert Williams
763 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:02
Can't stand the sight of that RedShite on our ToffeeWeb. Enough is enough.
Mike Gaynes
764 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:12
Kieran, he's already there.

Some potholes you just steer around and ignore them.

Thomas Richards
765 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:33:19
Heseltine was sent by Thatcher to oversee the decline of the city. They had devised a strategy for that.

Credit where due: he saw the spirit of the people of our city and changed his tack. He deserves the thanks of all people who live in the city for the regeneration he encouraged.

I well remember a lad, during the two-night drinking binge we had to celebrate Thatcher's death, proposing a toast to Michael Heseltine. Well received.

Dan Nulty
766 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:41:40
I'm starting to think everything we have read and heard is absolute media bollocks and we are actually in discussions with an international manager at the Euros. It is the only explanation for me.
Andrew Clare
767 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:42:00
It's looking like Rafa is a dead cert for the job. A very good manager in his time but maybe his better days are behind him. Also, there is one very big problem: he managed a club that none of us Evertonians are very keen on.

I am beginning to think that, as long as these billionaire owners of football clubs can keep using football to launder their money, they couldn't really care where their club finishes as long as they remain in the Premier League cash cow.

Jerome Shields
768 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:47:38
It looks that there is a media blackout at Everton. A decision must be iminent one way or the other.

But, having said that, what a shambles of a recruitment process. In my article, Blood Brothers, I did think there were two camps, but never thought it would manifest itself so blatantly as we are now seeing this unfold. It's like the negotiations between two power blocks, when an election throws up no outright majority. This is not the way for a club to recruit a manager.

Now we have Neville putting in his bit. Who does he represent? The fans or stalwarts in the club?

Richard Lyons
769 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:50:43
Ed Fitzgerald #777 - well said!
James Flynn
770 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:57:23
Mike (733) - Haha. Good one.

I'm loving this thread.

Phil Bellis
771 Posted 17/06/2021 at 16:58:14
Paul (768)

That would be Biddu, 1976, wonderful right-wing deep thinker. 😁👌

We don't need revolutions. We just need to open our eyes. Revolution is no solution, we ought to realise.

Jerome Shields
772 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:01:34
Paul#768

Rubbish.

Dave Lynch
773 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:08:19
Dan @782.

I've said on other threads from the off, I have a funny feeling it's Martinez.

It's just too protracted for it to be any other scenario.

Forget that last comment... I forgot we're talking about Everton.

Stephen Vincent
774 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:09:35
Paul Niklas,

I realise that you are completely ignorant of Liverpool city history and indeed Everton FC history; I would recommend that you read Thatcher's cabinet papers. They called it Managed Decline and Thatcher intended to use it to bring the city to its knees.

If you can't be bothered to do that, I would recommend that you read Two Tribes by Tony Evans which explains the concept in words of one syllable.

Thomas #781 is entirely correct in his assessment of Michael Heseltine's contribution.

Dale Self
775 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:13
Yep Dave, our lucky number is 4231! Look at it this way, every day without an announcement is another day it's not Benitez.
Terry McLavey
776 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:13:42
We seem only to get managers that are past their best anyway so what's new, he'll bust a gut to beat Liverpool, hopefully twice, so that'll do me.

He may also be able to get a tune out of the shite he's inheriting, who knows?

As Greavsie said... "It's a funny old game!"

Mike Kehoe
777 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:00
Paul Niklas,

Liverpool, like many other northern areas, was callously written off by the Tories, Thatcher's cynical policy of managed decline destroyed many families and caused decades of desperation for countless thousands. You should read some books before you post contemptible shite or express vile ignorance.

Thatcher's main objective was to destroy socialism, the people behind the NHS and welfare. A little history lesson for you, in the days before socialism, if you were poor and sick, you just died and they replaced you. Destroying the unions was the key strand to destabilising Labour, the cost was Britain's industrial infrastructure.

In 2002, she was asked what her greatest achievement was... her reply: New Labour, fuckin diet Tories.

Socialism is still very much in operation, it's just the preserve of the rich. When banks are bailed out with public money, that is a perversion of socialism.

Big no to Benitez, the identity of Everton has suffered enough. Literally anybody else.

Dan Nulty
778 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:13
Dave, I don't think we will go back to Martinez. Of the managers in the Euros I can only think it is Southgate (gulp). I can't see us going for any of the others.

I'd be surprised if Deschamps and Enrique would come to us, I don't think we'd employ Joachim. The only other one is Mancini; I wonder if Conte is going to follow him coaching Italy?

Again though, would Mancini want the Everton job, particularly if he wins the Euros with Italy?

Unless there is another option managing there I am missing?

Soren Moyer
779 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:26
As long as Galtier is available, there is a hope. Rumours even saying we have offered twice the salary Nice was offering! Please let it be true!

If we appoint FSW, that would be the end of Moshiri as the owner.

Tony Abrahams
780 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:27:42
Paul @750, when Everton go to Bramley-Moore Dock, think about those spam collectors, and then think about Destination Kirkby, and who was prepared to take us there...
Will Mabon
781 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:28:05
Just came onto the site, been busy and stayed away from all news so far today. I was expecting some news here but no, Benitez still stuck "In the frame". It's always a saga with EFC. Sucks the heart out of you.

Barry @ 737 - I think that nickname will fly, should things play out that way.

Stephen, the managed decline approach is in play today on a much larger global scale, in a much more pervasive form.

Michael Kenrick
782 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:33:48
I really thought things were building to an announcement today but it seems the time for that has passed.

Which increasingly makes you wonder... are they just yanking our chain back and forth? If it's not Benitez, then the chatter – especially via that twat Jim White – is execrable. A deliberate and calculated fishing expedition.

But my firmly held belief is that they have not a care in the world for the opinion of the fans in these situations. That's something they pay mere lip-service to when it suits, eg, the Fans Forum.

Guess I still can't get used to this modern system of advance news release that seems to dominate the media these days. It's like everyone panders to the needs of the Breakfast News programs by telling them what the news today is going to be, ahead of it being confirmed, instead of the old ways of news being reported after it has actually happened.

Dave Abrahams
783 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:48
Paul Niklas (various), if you are not a wind-up merchant, you are a first class dickhead.

Thomas (#752), 'Twat of the month' – I think you were alluding to Paul Niklas. If you were, your odds were well out: more like 1/100!!

Jimmy Hogan
784 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:36:55
I know what the board's game is. Threaten us with Benitez, make it seem like a done deal and then as we all reel in horror and despair, install NES, which we all applaud.
Soren Moyer
785 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:38:22
Where is the fucking Vinny O'Connor when we need him lol?
John Keating
786 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:54:28
Michael,

I think it might be an idea to contact Paul direct and ask him if he's okay?

It might be that he's suffering from this “long covid” we keep hearing about.

Either way, the lad's not well

Nick Page
787 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:57:45
Soren @795 - hate to piss on yer chips mate but rumour has it they spoke to Galtier and he wanted his own coaching staff. The Big Actor wanted Ferguson to stay so talks broke down. But you know, he’s only a Chairman and has nothing to do with football or running the club anymore looooool.
Dale Self
788 Posted 17/06/2021 at 17:59:06
Michael, forgive me some lurid speculation but we may be underestimating Bill's penchant for putting on a show. I think he knows he lands his plane with the new stadium and just can't resist presenting a pantomime melodrama. It is all psy ops to set up a Euro candidate and that is likely el Roberto.
Will Mabon
789 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:00:03
Michael, 798 - I agree with all of that. It's perception management and engineering as the primary; and it's too easy and fast with modern media connections... and dedicated teams and systems to do it.

Essentially the whole media structure benefits from the "Interest", by various measures. We just get flooded with info, 90% of which proves to be meaningless after the fact.

Paul Niklas
790 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:02:14
Socialism a global pandemic that has been erased. Responsible for more deaths than any other Virus, the evidence is there for all to see.

She was right to do all she could to rid us of it and it worked. Until we now have the corrupt labour Mayor and his socialist cronies again filling their back pockets, just like the unions and the militants of the 80s.

No wind-up merchant – just a Conservative point of view that's not allowed in my beloved city.

Rafa is perfect for the Blues, wake up and smell the coffee for once.

Karen Mason
791 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:05:16
Brian at 740,

Thanks for making me laugh. It's been a while!! Ah if only. Galtier may not be able to speak English, but doesn't seem to be a problem for Bielsa!!

John at 745,

I understand that there is little affinity or loyalty with players or managers these days, but no other manager in the frame has shown the disrespect before managing us. And at least other managers wouldn't have an up side to seeing us relegated as Benitez would. Being celebrated as a hero by the Red Shite. Not to mention doing us out of millions. That's game, set & match to the Red Shite as I see it.

Dale Self
792 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:04
Someone please hose Paul down, he's smoldering.
Kieran Kinsella
793 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:07:13
Paul,

Socialism hasn't been erased, mate. Whether you want to lump socialism with communists, or take a more reasonable view and look at countries like in Scandinavia, it is alive and well.

Thatcher, on the other hand...

Soren Moyer
794 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:08:32
Nick (803),

I thought the excuse was that his English wasn't good enough! The coaching staff story is for Nuno, lol.

Ian Horan
795 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:13:26
Paul Niklas,

We fall out with each other on this forum on all things Everton. I am sure all contributors have no interest in discussing politics or religion on here!!!

Focus on Everton the football club; if that's too difficult Question Time is on the BBC iPlayer, or tune in to Radio 4. TW has more than enough to discuss without politics, religion or stupidity.

Kieran Kinsella
796 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:14:54
This coaching staff thing is so patronizing regarding Dunc. They treat him as if he's an ageing pet dog, and the family will rent to anyone as long as they don't send him off to the pound. If they rate him, then promote him. If they don't rate him then replace him. But keeping him around forever as a number two to keep the fans onside is cynical and kind of insulting to the man himself.
Dave Williams
797 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:18:34
It's pretty clear that all the stories we have been fed are pure speculation from journalists and zilch is actually been leaked by the people who matter. Indeed some journalists are referring to the board as if there are several people involved whereas there are four and whether DBB is involved in these discussions is open to question.

I will believe it when it happens, whoever it is.

On a side topic, I am all for free speech but where on earth has Paul Niklas sprung from? Some pretty extreme views there – does he still have that long blond hair and cheeky smile from Just Good Friends?

Derek Knox
798 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:20:25
Paul Hewitt @ 696, I wish you would remove your tongue from Rafa's Anal Cleavage, trying to exonerate him by citing charity work he has done for Merseyside? Yer havin' a larf!

I am wary of anyone who does charity work, as a so-called Celebrity, do they not get maximum publicity as being the good guy? Usually just after there is some sort of indelible stain on their character or activities. Get real, it's all PR, his Agent would have seen to that!

Don't want him, or his like anywhere near our shambles of a Club, we may be the laughing stock since Moshiri joined the Circus, but I had hoped we still had some pride left!

Now go and wash your mouth out with soap !

Kevin Molloy
799 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:21:52
The fact it was daft arse Jim White who started this makes me think it was either done deliberately to check fan reaction (oh dear) or he was ready to give him the job but has now bottled it.

Either way, we are in the hands of a nincompoop!

Dale Self
800 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:25:50
yessssss, Gattuso at Tottenham. We kept our management mouth shut and now we can watch Spurs circle the porcelain.
Sean Kelly
801 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:28
Is Comical Ali spreading these rumours?

Now it's Gatuso...

Andrew Brookfield
802 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:31:59
People who claim that managers aren't coming to Evertone because they have to have Dunc as their assistant are, well, stupid.

Moshri didnt pour 200M into our playing squad, invest in a new stadium, hire one of the greatest managers of all time, just to let all that investment rot because Bill wants Big Dunc to be a number two.

It's just not a thing guys. There are probably many reasons why we haven't got our manager yet, and many that if I knew would most likely terrify me, but I am 99% confident we are not basing the future of our club on the conditional that Duncan has a number two job.

Nick Page
803 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:32:07
Kieran, agree on DF - it’s an absolute embarrassment, it’s unprofessional and yes totally cynical (in its worst form) but it also shows the club for what they are and who still pulls the strings behind the scenes. I like DF a lot and I think it’s actually shameful foisting him upon all and sundry. Are we that desperate? Is he? And what does he have on Uncle Cyril’s nephew?

Any stadium news?

Brent Stephens
804 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:12
Kieran, absolutely. Time for Duncan to move on - for the reasons you cite.
Danny O’Neill
805 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:34:23
It's concerning Kieran.

I don't know, just about most of us don't, but if we are determining our next manager on whether they will keep Duncan or not, that is concerning. I hope not.

I'm happy for Duncan to stay on merit and because the manager wants him to be part of his staff.

But I genuinely hope that is not part of the negotiation process.

Andrew Brookfield
806 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:36:29
Personally, all I want is for our DoF to say this is the style of play we expect at Everton. My preference would be a high line, high press.

He then goes out and buys the players which he believes can fulfil this strategy, regardless of the manager/coach. That may be Dumfries, Nunes, whoever, but he has a clear formation and buys accordingly.

We then cycle through managers who have proven they can deliver against that formation with other clubs, if they fail here, fine, fire, move on. But our identify and our squad remains constant.

So if I was DoF with the above strategy, I'd be looking at Galtier, Hassenhuttl, etc.

We can't keep jumping from strategy to strategy with every manager and being left with players from the last strategy which no one wants.

Nick Page
807 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:37:51
“It's just not a thing, guys.” Andrew @818.

Hahaha LOL. He's been on the coaching staff for SEVEN years. Name me one other club in the current Premier League with an ex-player on the coaching staff that has seen off five-plus managers….

I'll wait.

David Currie
808 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:40:12
Paul 806,

Why is Benitez perfect for us?? His teams are boring and negative; we have just had a season of that by the last manager? What has he done in the last 5 years?

We should go for Graham Potter: he is on the way up, he is young and hungry, and he plays a good style of football.

Mike Gaynes
809 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:42:11
Andrew #822, for this club to play high-line-high-press would require us to buy about eight new starters.

That style requires pace. We have none to speak of.

Ray Smith
810 Posted 17/06/2021 at 18:44:24
The silence from on high is deafening!

Benitez
Santo
Uncle Tom Cobly and all.

We don’t know what we don’t know (think about it!).

All the speculation re the above is media driven. Thank god Jim White has left SSN, his comments regarding Moshiri dried up years ago, and who was pulling whose strings?

Whoever it is we will have no say in the appointment. You will never please all the people all of the time.

If it is Benitez we are going to have to swallow the bitter pill. However, those in the know are keeping their cards close to their chest.

I gave my season ticket up due to poor health, however, once a blue always a blue (57yrs from the age of 14).

To those of you threatening not to renew your season ticket, or never watch the toffee’s ever again, your not Evertonians (IMO).

Whoever takes over,true Evertonians will never desert the ship, whoever is at the helm.

John Skelly
811 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:14
That's true Ray whoever is at the helm must be supported wholeheartedly.
Until if ever he becomes a complete failure.
Thomas Richards
812 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:00:54
Somebody told me there was a tory somewhere in liverpool.
Paul Niklas it is.

It didnt work in this city, socialism is alive and kicking.
Mrs T isn't.
Happy days

Will Mabon
813 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:07:42
You know what, Ray - emotions run high. I doubt many actually do give up their ticket in reality, unless forced to by circumstance. Ditto "Never watching again".
Brian Murray
814 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:09:29
Paul Nicklas. I’m out of work at the moment do you suggest I should get my cycle clips on and go looking ? Your attitude rings a bell from rosy cheeked 80 s tories. Just saying.
Mark Frere
815 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:13:55
Mike #825

An high press requires some pace... particularly at centre back - we have Godfrey, and Holgate is no slouch.

The system requires mobile players and high fitness levels. I think we've got plenty of players that would do okay: Godfrey, Holgate, Doucouré, Allan, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Richarlison. With more pace added out wide, it would be my much preferred style of play. Not all high pressing teams have pace in every single position on the pitch. It's about getting the balance right.

We're crying out for some high energy footy that can get all the fans excited again. Ralph Hasenhüttl would be my choice to deliver that.

Jerome Shields
816 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:17:20
Micheal #798,

Bad news is normally released on Friday, so loyal old Joe can have three days to accept his situation.

But this is one shambles by Everton, so it could be the following Friday. Not hopeful of good news from the so call leaders at Everton, the longer this continues.

Someone in Everton is feeding the beast.

Barry Hesketh
817 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:23:45
An emotional plea from an Evertonian in the Mail, he makes some very valid points particularly towards the end of the article.

Disaster Waiting to Happen
Craig Walker
818 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:31:49
Paul Nicklas.

Open your eyes and don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you. This Tory government are responsible for over 120,000 deaths and that is with the massaged figures going off those who tested positive. The actual figure is much higher.

We've lost members of my wife's family to it. So many mistakes that they make Kenwright look competent.

Those socialists left us world-leading stocks of PPE in the event of a pandemic. Cameron, May and Johnson let it expire and put stickers over the Use By dates in 2013 and again in 2016. Shameful.

As for Everton, I think Rafa won't be appointed. If it were to happen, it would have been done by now.

I still don't get the calls for Potter. He is this season's Chris Wilder. A one-hit wonder. There have been lots of them down the years.

Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all the fans can get behind.

Stephen Vincent
819 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:34:41
Ray #826,

I will always be a life long Evertonian irrespective of whether or not I choose to visit the Old Lady (first match 1959, season ticket holder since 1968) spent £10,000s following the Blues all over the world.

I am just not a Benitezian and frankly his appointment would be the final straw for me following years and years of lies and mismanagement by our illustrious Chairman.

Antony Kelly
820 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:35:23
Nearly every player has praised Ferguson for being a great mentor and coach. He also proved himself to be a great leader of men. He stepped up and saved our club.

Nuno, Benitez or whoever will not give one jot if Ferguson is there and to suggest that's the reason a deal for these managers is stalling is plain ludicrous. Everton know they have a capable coach to step up again if they sack a manger mid-season or, in this instance, a manager does a runner.

Ferguson will always have my respect for saving our club when in free fall and, if you were at these games, particularly the Chelsea and Man Utd games, you would be thanking Ferguson, not criticising him.

Keep lording foreign imports, who are mercenaries... and keep criticising a true Evertonian who stepped up and saved us.

Embarrassing.

John Crawley
821 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:44:42
Andrew @822,

That's exactly what we should be aiming for. Brands cannot be calling the shots on the managerial appointments; otherwise, he's the most schizophrenic DOF in Europe!

We've got no discernible style of play nor players that fit into a particular style. Instead, we are left with the inevitable conclusion that Moshiri is making the decisions on the managerial appointments and he hasn't got a scooby doo about football. Hence Benitez even being interviewed.

If Brands had anything about him, he'd resign. We are going nowhere under the present owner. If only we had the Brentford owner – he actually knows what he is doing!

Joe Pompliano on Twitter

Will Mabon
822 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:47:59
Barry,

Biggest surprise in that article – forty candidates under consideration. Don't know where they got that from, I'd struggle to come up with half that number.

The rest of it, I basically agree with. I really would prefer Ferguson by now.

Barry Rathbone
823 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:49:49
Craig Walker 835

Go for Galtier and at least get someone who all fans can get behind.

I would wager most Evertonians have no idea who he is (no bad thing btw)

Barry Hesketh
824 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:52:36
Will @ 838

The list comprised of FSW, Former Real Madrid manager, Former LFC boss, Former Milan boss, Bloke who resides on the Wirral, Bloke whose wife does sterling charity work, Former Everton boss x 3, Guy who managed in China, Spanish guy with a goatee, up-and-coming boss x5,

Robert Tressell
825 Posted 17/06/2021 at 19:59:50
Looks like Spurs now turning to the deeply average Gattuso after being rejected by the deeply average Fonseca.

I am coming round to the idea of Ferguson and / or Unsworth. Let them work with Brands and a good crop of youth emerging out of our u18s.

If it goes wrong maybe then we can appoint the FSW because I guarantee he will still be out of work.

Peter Brogan
826 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:00:20
Rafa is the best option by a country mile.

So he managed you know who….. his CV is far superior to anyone on the market. That cannot be disputed and this nonsense about modern football… he's won everything in the modern game – enough said.

Get Rafa and we will get into Europe. See the big picture, not the small one.

Andrew Bradshaw
827 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:26
I am in the middle of moving house, which is stressful enough!!! For all it is worth, Benitez has done nothing for 14 years, Gattuso, why?

Here is one out of the blue: Why not Scott Parker? Hear me out; Fulham were made up of loanees and Championshp players. Terrible start but then became mean in defence and some good football.

If we all say no to Dunc, Howe, Potter as inexperienced or the others as past their sell-by dates. Then why not?

Conor McCourt
828 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:02:40
Craig @834,

That made me laugh. Don't go for Potter because he's a one-season wonder, let's go for Galtier instead (the very definition of a one-season wonder).

Mike Gaynes
829 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:07:53
Still zero indication that Galtier would ever consider leaving France. He has never managed anywhere but Ligue 1 and has expressed no ambitions to go abroad.

Besides, he speaks very little English.

Will Mabon
830 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:14:18
Barry - OK, now I understand :)
Tony Abrahams
831 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:17:14
I think most rational thoughts have been replaced by anger, and if some of that report in The Mail made sense, Barry @833, I thought just as much of it was utter bollocks imo.

The mischievous Liverpool fans are also fuming. "Benitez shouldn't go to Everton" is probably the only thing most of both sets of fans have agreed with each other on this century.

Roger Helm
832 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:30
Yes, Craig, I think the vaccination programme would have been so much better with Corbyn and Abbott running it…

Back on point, I think the board want a safe pair of hands until BMD is done and Rafa fits that bill. I can't see any wild card getting the job.

Barry Hesketh
833 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:26:59
Tony @847

I didn't write it mate, I only linked it because I thought it might be of interest to some fellow TW's. The board will do whatever they decide to do, and we as fans will have to live with it.

Antony Kelly
834 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:27:39
Kieran (812) & Nick (819),

An aging pet, being kept around to keep fans happy; yes, this is definitely insulting...

Duncan Ferguson has worked his way up the ranks since his return to Goodison Park in 2011. Supporting Alan Irvine throughout the Academy while he was completing his coaching qualifications. He was then employed by the Academy and worked alongside Kevin Sheedy with the U18s. He was promoted up to the first team under Roberto Martinez, who came out in public back in 2014, hailing him as ‘the full package'. He worked under four failed managers before being promoted to caretaker, where he was undeafted.

Many ex-players and people within the footballing world have backed Duncan to be a great Everton manager and just what this Club needs. It definitely won't be this time around but you will see and by God, you will be eating your words, like every other so-called great Evertonian on here who does nothing but pull the man down.

You're allowed your opinions; however, they are utter shite...

Bobby Mallon
835 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:34:22
Ray @700,

I said that about Klopp and I stand by it. Mark my words: you and the rest who want Rafa as manager will be the first to jab the knife in if our home form is as bad next season as it was the last.

If we get beat by the Red Shite, you and those who want him will witch hunt him with jibes: if he does not care, he's got the shite at heart, etc.

The fans have been split by a fucking dippy owner and it's wrong.

Christy Ring
836 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:36:39
I believe no news is good news. The longer it goes on, the less chance of Rafa being installed... thankfully. We're linked with everybody now, it's beyond a joke, Gattuso the latest, and look at his record. Fonseca a lot better candidate.
Tony Abrahams
837 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:19
Sorry, Barry, it wasn't aimed at you, but I think that once emotions start coming into it, a lot of rational thinking goes out the window imo.

I've read a few posts, but not that many to be honest, because as you quite rightly state Barry, it's on the powers that be at Everton to make the decision. But I'm reading a few things on these pages that honestly make me think: Do the people writing some of the shite actually even believe what they're writing?

Evertonians are all over the place, but one thing seems obvious and that is that most of them don't want Rafa Fucking Benitez anywhere near their club.

Clive Rogers
838 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:40:21
Just been reading a report that the three board members Moshiri, Brands and Kenwright each have completely different choice lists for manager. What a shambles.
Ian Riley
839 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:41:31
Nuno really out of the race to be our manager?

Ian Edwards
840 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:46:55
Fans should be worried about Moshiri getting cold feet about Benitez due to the bitter element of our support moaning about his past and then going back to the dreadful Nuno.
Anthony Dove
841 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:31
Nick@716. I am sorry that you see the situation in such a cold blooded unemotional way.
Kieran Kinsella
842 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:47:57
Anthony

You misunderstood my post. Making him a condition of employment for the manager makes him seem like a charity case. Let the man sink or fail on his own merits be it as the manager, or a coach the new manager may consider retaining. They seem to just have him in the assistant role permanently with no prospect of moving up, just as a way to keep fans happy. That is what is insulting, and it is insulting to us but also to Duncan.

Paul Smith
843 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:50:48
Strangely I agree with Ian Edwards.
Soren Moyer
844 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:52:26
Why go for the Fat Spanish Waiter when a Michelin star French Chef is available?

By the way, #GaltiertoGoodison hashtag has started on Twitter

Dale Self
845 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:55:54
This thread is converging toward the wisdom of Dave Cooney, "The odds are probably against the next chap so I have decided to hate him and get into massive arguments on the site for the foreseeable future.. I think this may be the best way forward..."

Better living thru getting in fights over managerial selections.

Liam Mogan
846 Posted 17/06/2021 at 20:56:35
That fella from Just Good Friends and Stardust is a bit of a bell end?
Ray Smith
847 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:02:06
Stephen 835
Have to agree with you.
The chairman leaves a lot to be desired.
However, we will have to accept the new enumbant whoever he (she) maybe.
Maybe tomorrow will reveal all, which allows the power that be the weekend to respond.
I just wish the future of our wonderful club.
Gavin Johnson
848 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:14
Why's that Ian? #865 You thinking the football is going to better under Rafa? I only ask cos 'style of football' was the drip effect we all heard last season in your criticism of Carlo.
Bobby Mallon
849 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:04:18
This team/ club needs direction. That direction is a style of play with young energetic ( and a sprinkling of older headed ) players. But that direction and identity needs to start with Moshiri. So stop dividing the fan base and club and get this right ffs.
Derek Taylor
850 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:12:04
The only reason for Kenwright to see Benitez as the ideal choice for Everton's next manager is a warped
attempt to show the Cub's owner in the worst possible light.

Only our revered chairman can save Moshiri from his folly and the ultimate demise of Everton into relegation fodder. All of this scenario happened to Randy Lerner at Aston Villa and is about to be repeated here. And Chairman Bill knows that very well !

Dale Self
851 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:17:42
Ogden (ESPN) claims that Bill and Brands back Martinez and that it is Moshiri that is with Benitez. Again, all speculation but that is the current line. I would not put it past Bill to get Moshiri to play the villain backing Benitez while Bill comes to save the day with his old buddy Roberto.

And please don't interpret that as an initial and overriding desire to bring Bobby back. On the other hand, a choice between Roberto and Rafa is an easy one for me.

Joe McMahon
852 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:28:29
Antony @836, i'm indifferent with Ferguson being manager for Everton or any PL club, as i'd prefer it if he managed a couple of years in the Championship or league one (like we know others have done or doing). But like you say "Nearly every player has praised Ferguson for being a great mentor and coach". So It's baffling why no Championship or league one club has made an aproach/offer to him.

I'm not being sarcastic, as we have all heard positive feedback about Dunc.

Pat Kelly
853 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:37:15
Spurs deal with Fonseca has now collapsed.
Antony Kelly
854 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:42:50
Do we know if Duncan wants the job right now, has he come out and publically said this, please show me the quotes...

I am sure Duncan, like all Evertonians will want the right man in the job, like all of us he will want the greatest manager out there to take this Club forward, he will have the clubs best interest at heart and if that means holding back and being inspired by greater things then I applaud him even more than I already do.

What I witness is that he is passionate about his job, he is passionate about this Club, our fans and the people in this City. He is a great coach and assistant manager, I’ve never seen any of the previous managers or first team players say any different, have you no I don’t think so...

Let’s give the man a break, back off, he is not to blame for this mess we are in so stop the “get rid, lingering around like a bas smell, aging pet, sack him” and all the other nasty comments been made on here, the man has been nothing but a saviour to this Club and we need to show him a bit more damn respect!!

Tony Harrison
855 Posted 17/06/2021 at 21:56:57
Duncan my arse. Anyone who has watched him over the years will have seen him sit almost motionless on the bench! Sammy Lee (ex shite) put him to shame with his enthusiasm and drive. No experience and...isn’t he a striker coach? Our strikers over the last xX years have been shite apart from Rom who will have learnt nowt from Dunc ( IMO ). DCL only improved when Carlo joined!, If you can’t develop and manage a small part of the team what makes people think he can become the manager who will drive us forward - Lunacy,! Decent player, bit of a lunatic, injury prone, should go get a job with lower league club and prove yourself before we would consider u as acceptable manager IMO. Rafa a definite NO, don’t care he managed shite but his style is boring (like Carlo) and his recent track record is shit. He is just a name! COYB, MAKE A SIGNING THAT WE BELIEVE CAN DRIVE US FORWARD WHILST PLAYING DECENT FOOTBALL.
Brian Murray
856 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:07:02
Derek post 856. I have always believed the club can’t or won’t go to the next level and is quite happy ambling along. We all know the white nelly in the room is the main reason for it. If even half the rumblings are true about the direction and choice of manager there’s no way brands will be here by Xmas if he has any self respect. Contract or no contract. Villa similarities are scary.
Jerome Shields
857 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:12:07
There are two camps within Everton fighting over the selection of the candidates that would be loyal to what they want, They are briefing the press accordingly. Even Jimmy White with his yellow tie is briefed by you know who.

I suspected that this was what would go on, but if there is not announcement tomorrow, for the old Everton faithful to come to some type of acceptance of over the weekend, then the conflict is bigger than I thought was possible. The result in the weeks after that will be of no use to the Everton Club.

Kieran Kinsella
858 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:13:11
Ian

We are not worried Mosh will get cold feet about the moaning, we are hopeful he will get cold feet about it. As you should be as Rafa ticks all the boxes you harped on about with Carlo, age 61, yesterday's man, after the money (as in China), boring defensive football, poor signings, no youngsters in the team etc

Tony Harrison
859 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:14:23
Brands has been worse than useless and should be binned ASAP before he wastes more millions IMO
Oliver Molloy
860 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:19:43
In my opinion Ferguson should be learning his trade away from Everton and proving doubters like me wrong.

I have heard he has said to players and staff the only way he would leave Everton is if he was sacked.
It might just be, he hasn't got the balls to leave the cushy number he has with Everton with his "legend" status.

Go prove yourself Duncan, if you're good enough I'm sure the board will notice.

Barry Hesketh
861 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:33
According to a post on Grand Old Team, the reason the Benitez decision is being held up is due to Benitez wanting more say/control over transfers - of course, it could be a completely fabricated story but if true it doesn't bode well.

Everton either wants a Director of Football or it doesn't. I wish they'd make their minds up, it's hard enough trying to attract good players to Everton as it is, anything that smells of instability in the structure of the club will only make it even more difficult.

I can only imagine that the three amigos are playing rock. paper, scissors to decide upon which one of them gets to make one of the most important decisions they could possibly have to make at what may prove to be a crucial juncture in the club's history.

But I'm sure that none of the above is true and that they are all singing from the same hymn sheet, and all of them are clear and united in what is best for Everton Football Club.


Paul Smith
862 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:28:45
Brian Villa are doing alright especially that Grealish fella. Yes, I’m being facetious but writing us off as getting relegated when we just finished 10th is a tad melodramatic,
Rob Halligan
863 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:33:25
Barry # 878. I've just been reading that Benitez wants to bring Conor Coady in as his first signing, and has given the board the green light to go and get him. FFS, he's not even been appointed the manager yet, and already he wants to bring ex RS players in.
Antony Kelly
864 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:03
Joe (868) - maybe that’s the direct he will go in, what do we know, how do we know what’s right and wrong for him.. let’s just back off, I bet the man is just like the rest of us right now, after all and like I’ve said he will want what’s right for this club.

Tony (872) sat motionless on the bench, erm, didn’t you see him running on to the pitch just recently against the shite, embracing players with tears in his eyes, and you obviously didn’t see his reaction and celebrations at Man U, and of course you were nowhere near the stadium when he was caretaker.. I’ve watched him from my seat over the years, up and down, shouting directions.

The emotionless Ancelotti and Silva I think you are referring to on this subject.

He’s been instrumental (IMO) to the improvements DCL has made these past couple of seasons of which DCL has commented on so many occasions.

Justin Doone
865 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:34:43
I don't see it as dragging on for too long, it will take as long as it takes.

Hopefully its the best possible appointment for the next 4 to 5 years at least.

Constantly changing managers, coaches, tactics, player's etc. Helps no one.

Brands can and should continue to bring in the players that we all known we need. I'm hoping for more attack minded players for a more attack minded manager.

No rush, but before July would be handy. I'm still waiting for Brands to bring in some top quality Dutch players, he must have identified at least a few that would suit the Premier league.

Barry Hesketh
866 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:36:55
Rob @880
I saw that earlier, but didn't Nuno allegedly want to bring him from Wolves too?
Bill Gienapp
867 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:38:09
Ian (856) - don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly champing at the bit to bring in either Nuno or Rafa... but all of your criticisms of Nuno at Wolves are just as applicable to Benitez at Newcastle, if not more so.

You've cited repeatedly how dreadful Wolves' goalscoring record supposedly was under Nuno... they scored 47 and 51 in their first two seasons after promotion. Newcastle, on the other hand, scored 39 and 42 in their first two seasons after promotion. Yes, Wolves plummeted to just 36 goals this past season, but I'm failing to see where this excitement for Rafa is supposed to be coming from.

Kevin Molloy
868 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:46:05
Bill
it's worth bearing in mind Nuno had huge assistance with who he could bring in, Ashley wouldn't give Benitez a penny.
Rob Halligan
869 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:49:40
Barry, yes, I think he did. Don't really understand my own point there!! 😁😁😁. Do we need Coady though, or are we going to sell any of our current centre backs?
Steve Carter
870 Posted 17/06/2021 at 22:50:42
No. FFS. At this rate the next one “in the frame” will be King Kenny.
Mark Ryan
871 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:18:30
I hope Rafa signs on in the morning so we can start a new thread about signing players and get through all this moaning and bitching. Been a long day. Get him signed up. Night all NSNO
Dale Self
872 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:08
Just to keep it clean Will, my statement is that the CDC recommendations are not equivalent to something a bud of yours found on some webchat. I am not equating your preferred beliefs to that phrase, I am saying the CDC is well above that.
Kevin Fitzsimons
873 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:22:16
S'all good. Because we are a SMALL club, we can pay this clown peanuts. This will give us time to get a real manager in and hey if he happens to fluke it GREAT did somebody say bitter and small minded...
Laurie Hartley
874 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:36:02
I am of the opinion our owner will have the final say on who our next manager is going to be. He probably thought he had hit the jackpot with Ancelloti (I did) and was probably more shell shocked than anyone when he got the phone call from Carlo.

I think he will go for a well known name and will be prepared to pay accordingly. His problem as I see it is paying the manager £10m a year wouldn’t be an issue but if the manager want’s him to spend another £150m on players that would be.

My advice to him would be go for a “youngish” up and coming manager capable getting the best out of the current crop.

My top interview question would be - “if I fund the acquisition of 2 new players what positions would you spend the money on?”. If the answer came back “a right winger with pace and a right back that can cross a ball” I would say “the jobs yours.”

As I have said previously somewhere in the world there is a manager that can put a smile back on our faces. We are not going to be top four any time soon but if we get the right man top six is achievable.

Lastly - it is absolutely imperative that the new manager has the backing of the fan base and the players.

Christy Ring
875 Posted 17/06/2021 at 23:43:29
Ian#856 "Moshiri getting cold feet about Benitez because of the BITTER element of our support moaning about his past and then going back to the dreadful Nuno, unbelievable! The abuse you gave Carlo, and now supporting Rafa, an ex red,who wouldn't hold a candle to him. I tolerated you, but I'm sorry enough. I'd like to hear what Darren thinks?
Joe Digney
876 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:08:49
There’s photos all over Instagram of banners already been put up outside goodison expressing a justifiable anger towards Benitez being appointed.
Soren Moyer
877 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:25:39
Lol the banners 😄.

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Daniel A Johnson
878 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:38:56
We need to see if Ferguson’s chest thumping ball boy hugging schtick can last 38 games not 4.

He needs to demonstrate his nous elsewhere before throwing his hat into the ring.

Then again Man U are managed by an ex red with no real managerial record. Then again at least solskjaer actually had a go.

Gary Hughes
879 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:58:12
As much as I dislike the pair of stupid looking bucktooth bellends Klopp & Rodgers I would take either of them tomorrow as manager of Everton. Benitez is an entirely different kettle of fish. The small club jibe that so many are willing to overlook changed the dynamic between both sets of fans. We've all been involved in banter going back decades but never did I hear a single kopite refer to us as small until that horrible nasty bitter little shitbag opened his mouth. The fallout is still going on today which makes me wonder how our board could have so little self respect by even considering appointing someone who has publicly ridiculed & disrespected us. Make no mistake every rednose is laughing at us because they know like I do that Benitez is no longer an elite manager, in fact they know full well that he poses no threat because his methods are 10-15 years out of date. There is no upside to this appointment. He will fail miserably & whilst I acknowledge all of our managers fail miserably none of them have ever split the board & split the fanbase, in fact I predict fighting in the stands & pure toxic venom destroying every home match until his inevitable sacking. The infighting between Arsenal fans in recent years has made them a laughing stock for rival fans, we should really try to avoid voluntarily make ourselves a similar embarrassment.
Barry Hesketh
880 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:59:14
Soren @894
The bedsheet on the right would have sufficed, the one on the left is unnecessary and doesn't do Evertonians justice, and if it's still there in the morning young children will read it and that's not on.

If Moshiri and the club, in general, aren't aware of the negative vibes against Benitez by now they must be residing in an underground bunker.

Derek Thomas
881 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:20:42
On new managers in general: It looks to me that, Levy...a well known canny negotiator where cash is concerned...has now binned candidates 2 & 3, a couple of seemingly good candidates, because they wanted to spend too much...especially with a brand new stadium to pay for.

There are (please, there must be) better than Benitez out there.

I think the left hand bed sheet has it spot on...with the usual tag line for what used to be called 'Industrial Language' of - Pardon my French.

Edit; also, given the Clubs noted parsimonious...on some things...attitude to money, an aversion for paying people to sit in the beach.

I don't expect any news until the last day of June.

When 'xxxxxxxxxx' will be announced as taking up his duties from 1st July.

Kieran Kinsella
882 Posted 18/06/2021 at 01:28:02
Richarlison is not in the Olympic squad so that settles that
Phil Smith
883 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:20:23
Soren (894) that banner on the left is particularly colourful init! Hard lol!
Soren Moyer
884 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:33:00
Phil, let's hope FSW and his agent have seen it.
Phil Smith
885 Posted 18/06/2021 at 02:58:56
And Paul Niklas can do one an’ all. No place for those gobshite views on here. Let’s keep this on topic and off Tory crimes against our city.
Eric Myles
886 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:00:22
Rob #734, you don't look like Riquelme do you?

I've heard a rumour that he was spotted sat in his car outside Finch Farm waiting for a call :-)

Jim Harrison
887 Posted 18/06/2021 at 03:58:05
Need to appointment a manager soon just to get shot of some of the suggestions coming in! Did I genuinely read John Terry? Even if just in a coaching role?
Rafa made a crappy comment when managing local rival, Cannot be considered. But John Terry?? Please.
Phillip Warrington
888 Posted 18/06/2021 at 05:42:06
is this for real no manager and Everton spend £80million more on wages now than they did in 2016 – but they may run into FFP problems as their revenue has not increased at the same rate.That is according to finance guru and Football

Insider columnist Kieran Maguire, speaking exclusively after Everton announced on 4th June that four players will soon leave the club.Theo Walcott, Muhamed Besic, Yannick Bolasie and Josh King were all named on the Toffees’ released list.According to the Guardian last Friday, Everton will save approximately £12million annually in wages after getting the quartet off the books.But after Everton posted losses of £139.9m in their last annual financial report, there are still concerns within the club about financial fair play.

Maguire highlighted Everton’s wage spend has ballooned disproportionately in recent years when compared to their revenue. He told Football Insider correspondent Adam Williams: “We have seen the model of clubs such as Man United and Brighton of offering new deals to players who are almost out of contract. “Or, they can trigger the option of a one-year extension then sell the player because that then prevents them from leaving on a Bosman.

“But as far as Everton’s wages are concerned, if take a look at 2016-2020 [most recent figures], wages went from £84m to £165m. “That’s an increase of £81m during the same period that revenue only increased by £60m. Some of that was on the back of the unusual naming rights deal with Bramley Moore Dock.

“So Everton need to address cost issues. From a financial fair player perspective, it’s not sustainable.”
Brian Murray
889 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
Paul, Soren, Let’s hope that sends a clear message to our not so sharp owner and his clinging sidekick ! We really need Brands to step up and take control. He came with a lot of fanfare god help us if he’s another inept member of this supposed professional outfit.
Brian Murray
890 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:24:16
Paul, Soren, Let’s hope that sends a clear message to our not so sharp owner and his clinging sidekick ! We really need Brands to step up and take control. He came with a lot of fanfare god help us if he’s another inept member of this supposed professional outfit.
Kim Vivian
891 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:29:32
Soren's picture at 894 - Poor, poor show.

I'm afraid that epitomises is what are becoming in the eyes of so many non Evertonian people. We have become such a negative fanbase, and never minding the shit show of a playing squad we have, any incumbent manager is going to see us like that and think "what the .... ?".

Who actually gives a flying fuck if Benitez or anyone else accused of having small cocks or anything else fucking years ago, it's our club and we need to be seen as a group who will get behind whoever is appointed manager. It's not our decision and the board will make a choice based on what they think will work best. We must back that up with our visible support.

I simply cannot align myself with that sort of demonstration and am saddened that we as Evertonians have to stoop to the personal abuse seen on the banners - that is not us really but it is what will be seen and we are tarred with the same brush.

Benitez would not be MY personal choice - but who the fuck am I to know who would be best? - Whoever becomes our manager will get my backing and at least be given a chance. If it's Rafa - and I think there are far worse names in the frame - I'm behind him.

Dan Nulty
892 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:40:28
Levy didn't bin Fonseca because he wanted to spend too much. Fonseca decided against it when he found out how much tax the UK wanted of his salary.

I really wish we wouldn't put banners up with that disgusting language on it. There is absolutely no need and paints a picture of Everton fans that we don't want the world to see on social media.

Need to get something done soon as I'm pretty sure we'd have tied up some transfers if we had a manager in place.

Peter Brogan
893 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:22
The banners were probably done by kids who have no clue. Rafa is a good choice, he's the best candidate for the job. He is not a kopite, he supports Real Madrid.

Oh well... let's give it to Unsworth. I'm fed up now and disgusted by some of our so-called fans.

Paul Birmingham
894 Posted 18/06/2021 at 07:50:31
Let’s go for Pulis!

FFS, those banners at Goodison, won’t help Everton’s cause with any potential candidate.

Sharp smelling salts and a dose of reality as to the Everton status quo in football.

If there’s no unity with the board room, then the circus, will role on.

The frustration is festering but there’s ways to voice opinion, but the board have got to get a grip, as they are straining the relationship with Everton supporters.

This preseason needs some good to happen for Everton, soon, very soon.

Colin Glassar
895 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:05:00
I'm not for or against the banners per se but it does make me laugh the timidity of some of our fans when it comes to protesting the calamitous ownership of our club in recent years.

Yes, let's moan and groan... but do it quietly. Let's not unfurl nasty banners in the ground, let's not march in protest, let's not boo or chant naughty words. No, nothing of the sort. We are Evertonians, and we are better than that etc, etc, etc….

In the meantime, the club is being run into the ground, laughed at, humiliated... but we must remember our manners and behave like the good little sheep that so many have become.

Fuck that! I'm all for making those two fat, useless fuckers squirm. Take a leaf out of the Liverpool fans' playbook and grow a fucking pair.

Martin Berry
896 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:14:20
Abusive banners written by morons, shameful.

Regardless of your objections, do it with dignity.

Mark Ryan
897 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:20:54
I'm guessing the person who has hung those sheets out calling Benitez childish names is one of the same people who has been crying and moaning for the past 14 years that he called us a small team. Boo-hoo. What a child!

Well, all I can say is well done; you have just confirmed it. You're worse than he is. It undermines the fabric of our support and it lacks class.

I'll bow out of this thread because I can see it's pointless and I can see the level we've reached.

Brian Murray
898 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:28:02
Get a grip, Martin, Mark... they are not daubing monuments or directing fireworks at the Liver Building, They are banners that can easily be taken away.

It obviously needs something this strong if the owner and the imbecile next to him can't or won't grasp the reality of the supporters' feelings. We shouldn't even be in this situation if we acted professionally (now that's a dirty word in L4...) and had a Plan B, C and D.

Brian Murray
899 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:02
Martin.

Oh, by the way, this 'dignity' as you say, or the 'Everton Way', has everyone walking all over us for years – right from the feeble attempt to object to the Heysel ban, to the here and now.

Marc Hints
900 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:31:26
Absolutely, Martin, those banners are embarrassing to the club.
Andrew Ellams
901 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:34:17
This "We can't protest because that's what they do" nonsense is a huge reason why we are deep in the shit, the current Premier League laughing stock, and they are in a place that we can only dream about.

I'm tired of hearing about being "The People's Club", being "Born, not Manufactured" and all of the other tripe spouted to try and cover the up the fact that we are a joke right now, on and off the pitch.

Rob Dolby
902 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:35:00
The banner guy is protesting and making his voice heard. What is wrong with that?

There are lots of managers available, why do we have to go for the one that hasn't won anything for years?

Hopefully the banner and maybe some social media will alert the board to the lack of support for the potential appointment.

Ray Roche
903 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:39:58
Brian, it's impossible to take the moral high ground about fireworks at the Liver Buildings when pondlife embarrass the club and decent supporters by placing disgusting, childish banners like this. I don't want scum like that representing me (or my club) by such shameful behaviour.

It may be acceptable in your world, Brian, but it's not in mine, and I imagine the vast majority of intelligent Evertonians will be feeling the shame that I feel now.

Peter Warren
904 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:41:35
Rob 919 - “Benitez not welcome” fine. The other is classless.

I'm not against employing an ex red manager – eg, Rodgers would be a fabulous appointment. Benitez? I just don't see it. If he joins, he gets my full support... and hope I'm wrong.

Danny O’Neill
905 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:42:30
Not even a rumour on the BBC. The first thing I read on the Gossip column is we are interested in pursuing Conor Coady, but feels like a lazy link to the potential "on the verge" appointment of Nuno.

This is torturous.

Ray Roche
906 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:44:25
Rob, there's nothing wrong in protesting but why use such vile language? Do you use language like that in front of your mother, wife, kids?? It's not acceptable, mate.
Jim Bennings
907 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:45:39
Rob @919,

Probably because we haven't won fuck all ourselves for a quarter of a century?

Why we persist to have these elevated misconceptions of the likes of Conte coming to us is beyond me. A manager like that wouldn't touch us with a barge pole and Ancelotti only came here because he more than likely thought it would be his last job.

Galtier has an agreement with another club and most likely wants to honour that.

Fonseca or Favre would be a risk and could be Christian Gross reincarnated type appointments.

Moyes has signed a contract at West Ham.

Potter would be a risk and the fans wouldn't be patient with that one; Eddie Howe likewise.

Dyche is tied down at Burnley and would cost too much to prize away, and again would the fans be patient?

Duncan Ferguson would be a risk; could the team could play that gusto football every week we had in his game against Chelsea? I doubt it. Maybe he would surprise us, I don't know... but perhaps Duncan doesn't even want that role yet?


Marc Hints
908 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:46:05
Rob @919

I am all for protesting and making your voice heard but that one banner is vile, do you want kids to see that from Everton fans?

Brian Murray
909 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:50:46
Ray @920.

End of the day, we are all Blues and some more fierce about it than others. I'm not into point-scoring off other Evertonians. There's only one person largely responsible for this and any banners – bad taste or not – should be directed at him: Kenwright.

Brian Murray
910 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:53:58
Marc @925,

I'm sure kids hear and see far worse than that at the match etc. Unless you live in the Little House on The Prairie!

Bobby Mallon
911 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:54:10
Fair play to who ever put those banners up.
Pete Clarke
912 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:01
I have knocked Bill Kenwright endlessly as I think he's a real danger to the clubs progress.

I will knock him once more with the thought of how selfishly smart he was in finding Moshiri after years of looking 24/7 for a buyer who could give the club tons of money but leave him in his his role.

It is clear now that, apart from having lots of money, Moshiri has not got a clue about football. Bill did not do much due diligence and we are now possibly left with somebody equally poor leading our club.

Ray Roche
913 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:05
Brian, so you think it's acceptable?

It doesn't matter how fiercely you support your club, that is out of order. If their lack of intelligence or limited grasp of English results in that behaviour, then someone, please, take the paintbrush off them.
Even Neanderthal Newcastle fans are looking down on us, for Heaven's sake.

Marc Hints
914 Posted 18/06/2021 at 08:58:17
Brian @927

Yes that's a fair point they do see and hear worse than that at games but you have a choice as an individual when putting a banner up with what language you use?

Brian Murray
915 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:06:02
Ray. Can't remember a blue chinning a horse! Can you? 😂
Michael Lynch
916 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:18
Spurs have halted negotiations with Gattuso now. Maybe they'd like Rafa?

As for the signs outside Goodison, I did laugh out loud but they are just wrong. I mean, calling him a Kopite cunt is fine, but the fat thing is out of order.

David Pearl
917 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:08:21
Argghhh! Hahaaaa, Brian!

Did you see Kenwright hang those banners? It does actually look like his writing so l will give you that one.

Ray Roche
918 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:10:34
932
🤣🤣🤣🐎🥊
Bobby Mallon
919 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:13:51
Can somebody please please explain why Bill Kenwright is still at the club? Has Moshiri not bought enough shares so he doesn't have a say on anything? I don't get it. Please someone explain.
David Pearl
920 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:23:29
Benitez is all Moshiri in his search for a 'Hollywood' manager after getting his fingers burnt with Silva. He is out of touch with the fanbase.

We need someone to come in and bring us all together again... and the players. He also needs to stay for more than 18 months so he can build something. I'm guessing those banners lasted as long as it took for a photo op.

Joe McMahon
921 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:25:11
Sorry Guys, I'm with Martin, its embarrassing and doesn't show Evertonions in a good light.
Jim Bennings
922 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:28:36
Moshiri needs to find stability, and Everton as a club need a manager that will be here four or five years now.

In hindsight Moshiri made a huge mistake binning Martinez straight away instead of backing him with the money he gave Koeman (who didn't even really want to be here).

Martinez first season should have been enough for a bit more patience but we binned him too fast and in the years since we haven't exactly replaced him with a greatly improved manager for Everton Football Club have we?

Carlo WAS a great manager but whether he's a great manager in 2021 is another matter and certainly the fit at Everton was never one that you felt would last.

Howard Don
923 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:29:54
Embarrassing banners – no class.
Paul Niklas
924 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:30:24
Phil Bellis. Yes, that's the Biddu quote; however, I was actually referencing it based on Jimmy James and the Vagabonds. Not as deep.
Bobby Mallon
925 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:36:24
"Wow, what a protest, thank god Everton weren't one of the superleague six!!!! Well if that's the worst it gets, hello Rafa."

That is from a Man Utd mate of mine. We are a joke. Manks and every other team taking the piss. Not because of the banners being up but because that's all that's happening. Can you fucking imagine David Moyes being accepted at Anfield? They would have went mental... and we have some fans complaining about a banner.

Robert Tressell
926 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:38:23
David # 937, I know what you mean. Although if Benitez is Moshiri's idea of Hollywood then I'd love to see what his DVD collection looks like. Nothing more recent than Love Actually presumably.

In many respects, I think we all over estimate Moshiri's ambitions for the club. He's not after 'Hollywood' – he's after 'safe'. He's not after 'success' – he's after continued relevance while he builds a stadium and redevelops the docks.

Laurie Hartley
927 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:07
I have been thinking about my post @ 891 and you know what? - I think Nuno ticks most of the boxes. All he has to do is answer the questions correctly and the jobs his.
Brian Harrison
928 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:47:58
The words on one of the banners might have been wrong but the sentiments of both banners was absolutely right. Maybe posting on sites like this and writing to the Echo to protest doesn't get the attention. No use protesting when the deal is signed, that's far too late to hope to change things.

Thomas Richards
929 Posted 18/06/2021 at 09:59:47
The banners are an absolute disgrace.

Should have been much larger.

James Stewart
930 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:02:30
@938 Completely agree. Embarrassing doing things like that, as I said earlier, I thought we had more class as a fan base than Chelsea... but clearly not.
Rennie Smith
931 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:03:12
Jim @ 924 "Potter would be a risk and the fans wouldn't be patient with that one" - since when has anyone on TW been patient?
Thomas Richards
932 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:04:48
"Class"

Has seen us shit on from a great height by our saviour on a regular basis.
Time for the opposite to be shown.

Martin Mason
933 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:06:19
After all of this time, I've realised exactly why Everton do what they do. They have become a small club and even now, with massive finance, we still act like a small club. Big clubs are run professionally – not by crony culture.
Jim Bennings
934 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:17:03
Rennie 948

I agree, but sadly it's the presence that were at the home games in the dying embers of the Martinez, Silva, Allardyce and Koeman era which I found disturbing.

The abuse and vitriol directed at those men was frankly embarrassing and disgusting and I walked out of the stadium ashamed at the way our fans had turned on the manager of the club.

Changing managers endlessly will see this club relegated eventually in the way Aston Villa were in 2016, we are following the same path.


Ian Burns
935 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:19:16
I would like to add my disgust and despair at the language used on one of those banners. Protest by all means but that sort of poster brings as much divide among supporters as the choice of manager!

Derek Knox
936 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:41
James @ 947, I am not in favour of vandalism or graffiti by way of protest, but just how do the fans convey their collective (well most) disdain and unpopularity of the decision to appoint Benitez?

What's more, maybe our protesters do have a bit of class after all, at least it was movable graffiti not like those across the park, who just blatantly paint spray everything without any consideration at all. The photo's should have well found their way into the media circus by now, that hopefully should be all it takes to get the message across.

Not so long ago the vandalism on Rupert's Tower, not once but twice, should be a reminder of how real morons act, glad it was nothing, apart from the obvious connection, to do with us. Fair play to the lad's that did protest with the sheets at Goodison, I applaud you, unfortunately we all can't get to the Ground that easily, to show our support against what has to be bad for OUR CLUB!

Dave Williams
937 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:20:56
The impact of the sentiments on that banner unfortunately dilutes because the idiot who wrote it couldn't put his feelings into words which are acceptable to decent people.

Surely Moshiri can't go ahead with this appointment. Alan Brazil says he has been told that Brands will leave if Benítez arrives.

Whilst Brands still hasn't convinced me, I wouldn't want to see Benítez or any other new manager given total control. If that happens, I can see us being relegation candidates as the club would be in total meltdown and our players don't need much excuse not to perform.

Help!!!

Stephen Vincent
938 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:26:31
Peter #929,

Bill did an amazing amount of due diligence: he got exactly the man he wanted. Someone that enabled him to keep his trainset and who he could endlessly manipulate.

Ray Roche
939 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:26
Derek Knox
953

Del, you can't applaud anyone who drags the name of Everton through the mud with 'protests' like that. You're right, it is all over social media, and doesn't show us in a good light. I'm an Evertonian and have been all my life, but I don't want to be lumped in with idiots who can't see the damage to our club's reputation that such behaviour causes.

You've seen me on the golf course, you know I can swear almost as well as you, (you being an ex Naval Officer you must have the advantage there) ;-), but I wouldn't stand up in the clubhouse in mixed company and shout profanities like that.

Phil Lewis
940 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:28:34
The fixture list has been kind to us for the first month or so I notice. Whoever the new manager is should take advantage of it. I don't want Benitez, Nuno was my choice, but I guarantee that the fat Spanish waiter will be forgiven and past indiscretions forgotten by even his fiercest critics, should we string some victories together at the start of the new season. Such is the fickle nature of football and fans alike.
Ian Burns
941 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:29:18
After nearly 3,500 votes, 44% of Evertonians wouldn't mind Benitez becoming our manager. I must add that I am not one of the 44% but despite the disgusting banner under discussion, it certainly doesn't represent such a vast majority against this appointment as these posters would imagine.

Michael Kenrick
942 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:36:53
That's a great observation, Ian. As usual, it's the most affronted, the offended, the betrayed, who are dominating the conversation, and claiming the high ground. But these numbers suggest their vehemence is far less than over-whelming.

However, if Rafa's name was released deliberately to test the wind, as seems to be the case, then there could still be a strong enough reaction to discourage his selection, if you believe Moshiri is for being swayed by such triffles.

The Echo now saying there will be an announcement "early next week"... yea right.

Sye Turner
943 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:42:45
What the fuck is wrong with the people running our great club. Why would we consider the Fat Spanish Waiter, has our stock dropped off the scale. This is Everton not some run of the mill club. Get a grip and bring somebody in who can take us back to where we belong.
Derek Thomas
944 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:49:37
Nothing will happen until the 29th - 30th June 'xxxxxxxxx' will start on 1st July. Bill has never liked paying people to sit on the beach before they start.
Unless they have a Euro Manager lined up?.
Barry Rathbone
945 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:55:58
The thing with Benitez is all he would have to do is offer a few well chosen words at his press conference to defuse the situation. A subtle dig at the monkey island crew with some flannel about "the senior club on merseyside" and rich history going back before Everton people created them and he'd be in.

Not sure if he's that courageous though

Chris Mason
946 Posted 18/06/2021 at 10:57:03
The club looks to being badly run and factional.

I don’t blame Brands if he jacks it in if another appointment is made that undermines his position.

Craig Walker
947 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:05:51
Very proud to be an Evertonian but those banners disgust me. Most embarrassing graffiti/banner since the ‘Silver Out’ one.

We’re better than that.

Whatever people think of Rafa as a person or manager, why hark on about his weight?

Martin Nicholls
948 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:06:53
As no-one has claimed responsibility for those banners, I wonder if it was our very own "international man of action", Ian Edwards? After all, he acts while the rest of us are content to "sit back and accept mediocrity"!
Just joking Ian!
Derek Knox
949 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:10:12
Ray, I will give you that the choice of language on the Banner could have been chosen more wisely, but it it still would have got the point across. Like I said before, how else can the grass roots supporters' feelings be heard?

I don't think for one moment, anyone on the Board would read TW, Blue Kipper, NSNO, GOT or any other online fan sites, only lazy journos looking for a story and would filch through the fan's posts and then fill in the rest with fabrication, declaring it to be a scoop!

Neil Cremin
950 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:25:36
Being an Everton Support for nearly 55 years, I am disgusted and appalled by the language and actions of a few obviously bigoted supporters to the potential Benitez Appointment.
Have we no pride and self respect or are we stooping to the gutter comments of that disgusting bedsheet notice at Goodison. True blue Everon fans should be outraged that this behavior represents our club.

As I have said in numerous posts before, Benitez is not my choice because he is the most divisive of the choices available but if appointed and started to make progress oh how things would change. Yes I can list all those I dream to have but how many are interested managing an Everton side which our former esteemed manager Carlo could not.
Carlo's football was painful to watch as a matter of fact in all the years watching Everton, this was the most boring. He failed to motivate the team and he finished 10 after bringing in those players he deemed essential to improve the squad. In any performance evaluation it would be a failure.

So what are the reason for not wanting Benitez.
Ex Liverpool manager: We gladly take theirs and Man U surplus.
Small Club comments: We need to grow up build a bridge and walk over it.
Football style: Well if it stops us losing to relegated teams and steadies a ship which is seriously out of control, that would be good enough for me for starters. Our football has been getting worse year on year. Out pace is so slow you any side can counteract it, hence our losses at Goodison. Those looking for attacking football of Martinez have very short memories, once good season built on Moyes tightly organized, low risk team which were encouraged to attack soon led to a shambles of a defence. Lets see how the much vaunted Belgian side with probably some of the best attacking players in the world will do against the best organized sides in the Euros.
And rather than say who I don't want, I will nail my colours to the mast.
I would take the Galtier (if he was interested) because built a team to take on the big spending clubs in France. After that, I say No to sacked or journeyman managers such as Conte or the Mourhino types whose condition is to spend big. We have already seen how negotiations have broken down at Spurs where such managers prerequisite is to spend big.
We need a disciplinarian and an organiser who will steady the ship, doesnt have to be as big name but will start rebuilding a team firstly who are hard to beat (yes defensive and well organised), then identify hungry and dynamic midfielder who looks for the ball and want to distribute it so we can move to next phase and be a bit more expansive. Build a team for the future so that by the time we go to BMD maybe we will have CL football.
From my understanding, Nuno, Potter and even Benitez are that type of Manager.
What Everton football club now needs is stability. I would even consider Duncan and a home grown team as he give us the most exciting football we have seen in past few years but he is a also a major risk as he has no track record and I do not know anything about his organisational skills

We are hypocritical when take the knwee to support BLM while not embracing others who point to the RESPECT logo on their shirts.

Have we lost all pride in EFC. NSNI

John Burns
951 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:28:25
Taking all the emotion out of (which is impossible!) Benitez is yesterday’s man. Like our previous incumbent he has a great past.

I want a front foot high pressing manager. I want a manager to dictate a type of football to get us out of our seat. I want excitement. Benitez won’t bring us that. I’m definitely in the no camp.

Martin Mason
952 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:35:08
The damage being done to Everton now is immeasurable. For the sake of stability my opinion now is that we should appoint Benitez and suffer whatever comes which is out of our hands. We're not going to solve the Manager problem this time round and Benitez may just allow us to solve the Everton problem.
What are we going to do about the "Bitter Blue", problem such as illustrated by the people who put up those posters and the anti-management minority who are becoming ever more loud on this site. They are a major problem.
Dave Lynch
953 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:40:56
I'd appoint him on principle after those banners.

Mick O'Malley
954 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:47:34
People who are complaining about Rafa have every right to, or we can clap along and keep the status quo of shite football and finishing mid table while paying these managers kings ransoms
Neil Cremin
955 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:52:38
Absolutely Mick, but there is no place for lack of RESPECT and the disgusting commentary in making that point. We have been clapping along for some time now despite big name and small name managers. Who do you suggest will bring us BACK to the Holy Grail of Top 4 or minimum European football Top 6, that is will to take on the job without spending a fortune and running for cover when he joins the ranks of the long list of failed Everton managers.
Michael Kenrick
956 Posted 18/06/2021 at 11:55:30
Bobby @936,

The story so far:

Bill Knewright led a consortium that took over the club from "Agent" Peter Johnson, thus rescuing us from the hands of a heinous RedShite, and earning the undying love and affection of Happy Clappers throughout the length and breadth of Goodison Park.

When 'Life President' Sir Philip Carter retired from the role in 2004, Kenwright became Chairman of the Board of Directors.

Bill admitted he didn't have the money to take us forward, and set out on a 20-year search for a 'suitable investor'.

'Suitable investor' turned out to mean someone who would cash in almost all of Bill's shares while allowing him to retain his position as Chairman of the Board, and defacto in control of all matters at the Club.

Incredibly, the new investor is still not a member of the Board of Directors after 5 years as the provider of massive funds to take the club forward. Bill Kenwright remains in charge as the Chairman of the Board, which consists of only three other people: Barrett-Baxendale, Ryasantsev and Brands.

That means Bill's power base comes from being the major shareholder with a seat on the Board, despite now holding only a paltry 1.72% of the outstanding shares in Everton Football Club Co Ltd.

I'm just surprised, Bobby, that you are not lauding him as a fucking genius for pulling off the greatest act of smoke and mirrors in his theatrical career. And you really don't want to know how much he personally has garned from the Everton shares he has sold.

Steve Brown
957 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:01:20
The content of one of the banners was offensive, gratuitous and unnecessary. The banners themselves were important in driving home to Moshiri the response he will get from a large section of our fan base if he hires Benitez.

It will be as divisive an appointment as Allardyce, whose tenure lasted less than 6 months before it was ended. And a few warm words from him at his unveiling won't change anyone's opinion.

If the board weren't tone-deaf about their own fan base, they wouldn't have even entered into discussions with Benitez. They cannot ignore the sentiment now.

David Pearl
958 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:02:17
Michael, you'd of put all that money back into the club? He sold his shares. That's it.

The banners l do not care about at all. 1 or 2 guys put them up, took some pictures and they will now be down. I'm thinking an Italian or Colombian football clubs fans may have gone to stronger lengths than 2 small home made banners. Those banners are a little embarrassing to the name Everton but then again we are used to it now.

Barry Hesketh
959 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:11:16
Alan Myers
@ALANMYERSMEDIA
·
5m
Don’t expect any appointment at EFC until at least next week, up to 8 candidates have been considered, including Nuno, Benitez, Martinez, Galtier, Howe and Duncan Ferguson, job has not been offered to anyone at this point
Neil Cremin
960 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:14:42
Steve
I refer you to Ian at #959 above for balance.
Neil Cremin
961 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:17:11
Barry
When you say considered, does that imply that they have been in discussions with these candidates and that they have expressed and interest in the job or is it a "WISH" list.
Brian Williams
962 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:19:37
Ian#959.
That 44% represents only those who read TW and have bothered to enter the survey.
It's not really indicative of the feelings of the general match going supporters.
Surveys such as those mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

Thomas Richards
963 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:21:29
Michael 974.

If he wrote a show in one of his plays how he has kidded the bollocks off Moshiri, it would be put down as too far-fetched.

James Stewart
964 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:23:39
@971 My thoughts exactly.
Ian Burns
965 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:08
Brian - 980 - you may be quite right but who knows? I would say TW is representative of the general EFC support given the diverse comments one reads on this site and this is the only vote I have seen on the subject.

As I said I am not one of the 44% but many of us wouldn’t say “no” to the appointment according to this poll.

Barry Hesketh
966 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:21
Neil @979,

I wish I knew that, but that's just the tweet that Alan Myers put out a short while ago. I imagine that the list has been whittled down to a shorter one, but who the others are, is anyone's guess. I'd take it that Nuno and Benitez are the top choices with a couple of others. It's interesting that Duncan is actually being considered according to Mr Myers.

Bookies must be loving this managerial hunt by Everton and Spurs.

Mick O'Malley
967 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:26:40
Neil @973,

I haven't got a clue who I'd rather have, but it's pretty obvious that Rafa will cause a split in the fan base, and I agree with you about the vulgar offensive message.

Ray Roche
968 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:31:09
Derek Knoxx@967

Del, it’s not placing a banner that I have a problem with, it’s just the choice of language. You could have made the same impact without that.
The reputation of MY club is being trashed on social media and it just provides the RS, Barcodes etc with ammunition. It’s tough enough being a Blue right now without having to deflect the crap from those beauts.

And Michael, if by finding that behaviour unnecessary puts me in the “ offended” category, then fine. We clearly have different standards.

Brian Williams
969 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:32:00
971&982.
So you'd hire him because somebody put up one offensive banners and another one that wasn't offensive, just to show them?

Do you realise how silly that makes you look?

Thomas Richards
970 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:39:53
Dave Lynch 971: I'd appoint him on principle after those banners

😂😂

Rob Dolby
971 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:52:24
I have no problem with the protest banners. The language used isn't great but the message is from a passionate fan that doesn't want Benitez.

I wouldn't use that language infront of my family but, in the heat of supporting the Blues, I have probably shouted worse over the last 43 years as a season ticket holder, especially during the late 80s and early 90s when I was a lot younger.

The fan base deserve better than a lazy appointment of a guy that hasn't won anything for years. The game has moved on.

Let's see if anyone puts supportive banners out calling for Rafa!

Stephen Brown
972 Posted 18/06/2021 at 12:57:36
I am really despondent on all things Everton at the moment. The managerial search has become a bit of a farce and I'm not clear what our long-term or short-term aims are?

Seems like a shambles?!

Ray Roche
973 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:03:10
Rob 989

Supporting Rafa?

Now, THAT is offensive!

Dave Williams
974 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:04:54
Myers is usually spot on and it looks to me that we have been getting ourselves wound up about stories which have no sound basis.

I can't believe that Rafa will be appointed after all this fuss. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duncan get it with an experienced coach like Carsley as his number two.

There again... what do I know!

Kim Vivian
975 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:05:56
I'm 100% with Ray. Some oiks are really belittling our club whether they think so or not. I'm not local anymore (living down south now) and really try to avoid football banter recently. It's almost embarrassing. I mean - what sort of argument can I put up. Hard to even be humerous tbh.

Christ knows what we look like from the outside looking in.

Derek Knox
976 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:07:29
Brian @ 987,

I agree there was probably too much 'back of the toilet door on a Grimsby fishing boat' language on one of the banners but hopefully it got the message across!

Oh, just heard that Benitez has been spotted going into Slimming World! :-)

David Israel
977 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:11:04
Rob # 989, we were all a lot younger back then. And at the last game of the 1962-63 season, my first-ever, and Harry Catterick's first title, I was even younger...

Time flies...

Neil Cremin
978 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:13:03
Mick #985
When you look at the comments on this and other threads, I don't think there is any of the managers being considered according to Barry #977 who would not be considered divisive.
I will give you my perspective:
Divisiveness (D) vs Riskiness (R) (1 being the most Divisive or Risky)
Nuno: D3 R5 (Good start but poor last season)
Benitez: D1 R6 (Experienced, successful, as per Carlo)
Martinez: D2 R3 (No going back see HK 2&3)
Galtier: D6 R4 (No experience in the Premier League)
Howe: D5 R2 (No success, same as Silva and Martinez)
Duncan: D 4 R1 (No experience as senior manager)

People forget that the most important criteria for us now is:

1. Steady the ship and have a stable management structure

2. Manager with experience, very good organisation skills who has the ability to motivate a team to always perform to the best of their ability.

3. Build a team rather than buy a team.

I'll let TW decide who they would choose from the list based on those criteria.

Ian Burns
979 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:18:41
Neil - 996 - if that’s the full list and their suitability for the job, no wonder this site is slowly going into meltdown over the subject!

Is there anybody out there?

Jason Leung
980 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:18
I obviously see the problems and issue hiring Benitez, but I would rather someone who knows what it takes to be a top team, unlike Nuno or Potter who have no idea what it takes to manage and lead a top club. Benitez knows and may very well take us to the top with backing from the board.

So what if he hasn't done anything in years? At least he's won something! And according to reports, he actually wants the job. If memory serves me right, Carlo wanted to go to Arsenal but they ultimately chose Arteta. And he clearly didn't want to be here with his move to Spain.

I think the banners are totally over the top, especially the language used. I mean children and kids will be seeing this. One of them is fine, voiced your opinion, but the second is just a disgrace and an embarrassment to the club. Abuse and insults are totally uncalled for and unacceptable.

Rob Halligan
981 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:23:34
What’s so offensive about “Benitez not welcome?”
Kim Vivian
982 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:26:02
Neil... Well, from a footballing perspective, you have to go with the least risky. Divisiveness will dissipate with good results.

And vice versa.

George McKane
983 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:35:19
I will be doing a “Media” interview at Goodson at 2:30 regarding [the new pop sensation] Benitez and The Banners.

George.

Ray Roche
984 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:37:06
Where can we hear that, George?
Neil Cremin
985 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:39:59
Ian,

Apparently not. Potter has been mentioned (same marks as Nuno); Lampard is out of work but is he interested, is also divisive and risky.

Others, IMO, would be risky because they are journeymen; if they really believed they were good enough to do the job and see potential, they would be knocking on the door without demanding a huge transfer kitty.

Kim, My thinking too.

Rob. It should be obvious that it is the other bedsheet and the offensive, racist and disrespectful descriptions on this thread. Surely we are better than that.

Rob Halligan
986 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:44:14
No shit, Neil. It’s called being sarcastic. Though, as they say “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me!”.
Rob Dolby
987 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:46:51
Jason 998.

If that's your criteria, why not appoint Swen, Capello, Gullit, Wenger, SAF, Zola, D'Matteo or Klinsmann?

Would people want Claudio Ranieri? After all, he won the league 5 years ago.

Regardless of his Liverpool background, he is past his best.

Appointing a younger guy that has something to prove surely has to be the way forward. Rather than a journeyman looking for a pension top-up.

Thomas Richards
988 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:51
Ive stumbled onto the Womens Institute forum judging by the anxiety about "offensive banners"
George McKane
989 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:51:53
Capital Radio.
Steve Brown
990 Posted 18/06/2021 at 13:55:21
Rob @ 1004, sounds like you don't need to visit Finch Farm today!

I don't mind the long wait as hopefully it means Brands is being allowed to do a proper recruitment job.

Neil @ 978, any Everton manager who starts his job with only 44% of fans backing him is a dead man walking from the start.

Ray Roche
991 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:08
Thanks George.
Neil Cremin
992 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:10
Rob,

I remember that too when I was young. Smiley.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that such comments and behavior should not be part of the Everton "People's Club" ethos.

Gavin Johnson
993 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:03:22
If we were appointing Brendan Rodgers they'd be overwhelming support cos he's still a manager in his prime despite being ex RS. The issue with Rafa is that he hasn't done much for the best part of a decade. I have no doubts he's still a very good manager but it will be Big Sam all over again in terms of style of play and where we finish in the league table.

Which made Ian Edwards #856 post even more astonishing to me given everything he's said about Carlo from wanting him sacked after every defeat to calling him a dinosaur.

By the way, the longer this goes on my money is on the appointment of Martinez happening. Lets hope he's not as stubborn and started practicing set pieces.

Barry Hesketh
994 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:07:39
Thomas @1006,

Some of us are living and working with supporters of our neighbours and despite some assumptions, many of them are decent human beings who have families and a sense of decency.

Those banners (of which there was more than one expletive-ridden, outside Goodison) are inappropriate, and add nothing to the message they are trying to convey. I know that I can't defend or justify them to my Liverpool supporting colleagues and friends; perhaps you and others can.

John O'Toole
995 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:09:32
Our Club is becoming more and more of a laughing stock. Benitez???
The problem here is the Mosh has all the dosh and dictates what or who he wants and if he doesn't get it, throws his toys out the pram.

Our recent track record in appointing Managers (apart from Carlo who amazed me in taking the job at Everton in the first place) is beyond woeful.

I'd give Dunc the job or go for Graham Potter. Obviously there is no chance
now in bringing back Moyes but I wonder what he could have done bearing in mind the money available from Mosh. Moyes did alright given bugger all budget to play with.

This is now a serious problem given that I can no longer play golf as I am constantly ridiculed for being an Evertonian.

Thomas Richards
996 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:10:42
Tell your neighbours not to walk down Goodison Road Barry.

History over the years has shown lfc fans to be sensitive souls, I can understand your concern for thier wellbeing.

Rob Halligan
997 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:11:51
Steve, I was thinking of doing a banner saying “ToffeeWeb says NO to Benitez”, but then thought no, as it might offend some. By that I mean there are a few who wouldn’t mind him and a banner like that implies that everyone on TW is against his appointment.

It’s really a catch 22 situation, isn’t it. I reckon the majority of blues fans don’t want Benitez, but are not prepared to do anything about it. The minute some banners appear as a protest, people are up in arms. And if we do absolutely nothing about it, it just looks like we’ve accepted it. Whether the banner is offensive or not, hopefully it will get the message across to whoever it is who wants Benitez, and force a re-think. There must be other candidates being considered if Benitez has still not been appointed, because it was all done and dusted on Wednesday according to some media outlets.

Neil Cremin
998 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:13:59
Steve 1008
Based on the comments on this thread, that means all the names mentioned to date fall into that category.
The last time we had a strong agreement on a managerial appointment was Carlo and we all know what happened there.
Im out of here to enjoy the sun and wait with bated breath on who will be our new manager. I wish him luck whoever he is as he will need it.

Just for confirmation, Benitez is nowhere near my preferred option but he does not deserve the abuse he is getting here. As I have stated before we have been burned so often by journeymen such as those mentioned by Rob #1005 and I belive we should take some risk on someone committed to taking on the project.

Ed Fitzgerald
999 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:14:30
I'm amazed at the apparent sensitivity of some posters on here because of some bad language used on a banner about Rafa. Those feigning outrage at the use of an Anglo Saxon expletive and worrying about the potential damage to the club's reputation might be better served directing their ire at the club's leadership instead of berating fans expressing their feelings.

I'm sure we have all heard much worse at the match, in the workplace, and in school. I do think it was regrettable that they called him fat as that is probably down to genetics. I suggest for those of a delicate disposition, you listen to Derek's and Clive's lampooning of people's hypocrisy over bad language. Just search for it on You Tube and include the expletive used on the banner – it's just a word!


Ed Fitzgerald
1000 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:21:52
Just for the sake of clarity will it still be permissible on TW to refer Liverpool FC and their fans as the RedShite or is that going to cause too much upset and distress?

Perhaps Michael or Lyndon can set the boundaries?

Brian Williams
1001 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:41
Ed #1017,

I had the original D&C cassettes – that's how long ago it was.

Some of the funniest stuff I've heard!

Steve Brown
1002 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:23:46
Neil, in the more relevant poll on ToffeeWeb Benitez received 14% of votes from the list of potential managerial candidates. I think that is a fair summary of his standing among supporters.
Rob Halligan
1003 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:27:06
Those who are offended by the banner have clearly never seen Chubby Brown!! Now that is offensive! 🤪🤪🤪
Ed Fitzgerald
1004 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:29:41
Brian

It might be from the 60s but it’s still some of the funniest and original comedy I’ve ever heard. Most of their best clips are on you tube

David Pearl
1005 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:30:13
Rob, not that offensive but, if you have a point to make, it's better without the language. Although the first one would look pretty good flying over Goodison on the opening day of the season.
Ed Fitzgerald
1006 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:33:40
David

That is fair point you make so I suggest we no longer chant that

Kopites are Gobshites to Kopites are not nice because after all the sentiment is the same

Geoff Williams
1007 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:19
I don't care that he was manager of Liverpool but I would be gutted if he was appointed manager. I simply don't want an old has-been looking for one final payday. His teams play awful football. It would be such a kick in the teeth for the fans. For goodness sake, Moshiri get a grip and recognise you know sod all about football and let Brands earn his corn!
Ray Roche
1008 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:51:39
Ed @1017

'Feigning outrage at the use of an Anglo Saxon expletive=. '

So, you use that expression to your wife do you? I'll bet you do...

It's not 'outrage', Ed, and nothings being 'feigned', it's just that there's a time and a place for it and a banner that's now gone 'viral' does nothing but harm the clubs reputation, and if you, and others, can't see that then you must be blind.

I've never seen such garbage as people on here trying to justify one of those banners. I'd swim through snot to avoid having Benitez here as manager and any number of banners is okay with me, but let's not stoop to the gutter. Let the other shower do that.

Kevin Molloy
1009 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:54:09
Steve,

I'm not sure why the poll you refer to is the more relevant one where all the candidates are listed. The votes were spread around 10 names so nobody would do well under those circumstances.

I think 44% in favour before he is appointed is pretty respectable given his background. If he were to be appointed, I am sure that figure would jump to over half with people wanting to just get behind the new man.

Kev Jones
1010 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:56:21
Laughing stock? I can’t see what’s wrong with the board taking their time to consider who is the best man for the job, no matter what their background is.

I don’t want Rafa, not good enough and too divisive. I don’t have a problem with banners but do have a problem with the one with the offensive stereotypes.

I still dream of Galtier or Conte but think Nuno is the most realistic and stable bet.
Dreaming again, I agree with Jim Bennings #939 and others-bring back Martinez!

Brian Murray
1011 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:33
Okay, I don't want that big-boned catering Mediterranean red person anywhere near god's little acre! Is that better?
Kevin Molloy
1012 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:57:47
Ed,

Nobody's 'feigning outrage'; it was a vile act. Benitez obviously loves Liverpool the city and his family have stayed here for the last 20 years. What's he ever done to deserve the absolute worst word in the English language? He called Everton a 'small club'? How pathetic.

Conor McCourt
1013 Posted 18/06/2021 at 14:58:47
Gavin @1011,

If it's true (and I don't accept for one minute that it is) that 44% of our fan base want Benitez as our new manager then I think the Spaniard's comments about us being a small club are totally vindicated.

Even taking out his connections, the mind boggles as to why any club with half-decent aspirations would want a manager who has done nothing of significance in the past 10 years. This would be the very essence of a 'small club' mentality.

Now to deal with the connections and his previous with our club. I can't get my head around why any Evertonian would logically be in favour of his appointment. Even if personally you thought he was still a decent manager, I don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion based on recent evidence. The potential to disenfranchise the fanbase, split the board, and make the Club an even bigger laughing stock for what could in reality never be a successful marriage would just be complete insanity to me to even comprehend his stewardship of our great football club.

We would deserve everything we get for appointing Benitez.

Kim Vivian
1014 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:02:31
Again - I'm with Ray's sentiment (but not sure about the snot bit). It's not even like the banner was clever. I don't think anyone's being sensitive. It just makes us look like fucking twats imo. I mean he's not even that fat.
Thomas Richards
1015 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:22
Kim,

"It just makes us look like fucking twats imo."

I took offence to that industrial language. Makes us look like twats, tbh.

Ray Roche
1016 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:06:24
Kim, there's no need for that language on ToffeeWeb.

You know how sensitive some people are.

;-)


Bill Gall
1017 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:11:27
A banner like what has been expected on the gates of Goodison Park is just the feelings from a small group of supporters. It may not show too much class, but is something that can be seen on numerous derelict buildings.

I am not sure what the average attendance is at Goodison Park, but let's just say 32,000, would it make more of an impact if a petition could be raised to show the amount of people who would sign it for either a Yes or No for signing Benitez?

I am not for him – not because of his comments or his association with Liverpool, but because I don't like his style of play, and disruption with his previous owners and boards that shows arrogance.

Will Mabon
1018 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:12:10
I'm leaving TW if this filth continues.
Brian Murray
1019 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:14
I tyhink we have more to worry about than how some Blues express themselves, tbh. Maybe if the likes of Kim etc with not living in the city can see with a wider lens. It's not easy even having to look at them shysters here, never mind talking to them. They will have more extreme and offensive banners ready if this is true, no doubt.
Michael Kenrick
1020 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:14:41
Thomas @981,

As I was compiling that, I almost added the standard line:

"You couldn't make it up"!

Ed Fitzgerald
1021 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:20:49
Kim - I’m aghast at your language I’m sure you are more than aware of the etymology of the word t..t What a bunch of Rotters you are.

Allan Board
1022 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:22:03
Back home, rained off work, so decided to check on TW to see the latest on our new manager search!

Nothing new, other than tittle tattle from the media and a rumpus over a couple of bed sheets!

Ultimately, folks, it's just all about money. Everton's owners won't spend the required amount to achieve success, because that's not what they really want!

Success demands more investment in transfers to keep you up there, and for at least 30 years, Everton always sell their best assets. They are only interested in mid-table.

I truly believed, once Kenwright had been bought off, that we would be run on a professional, ruthless, winning basis with the sentimentality of yesteryear extinguished. It seems nothing has really changed: jobs for the boys, paid well if you remain a yes-man, toe the party line, say the right things, and, worst of all, sticking two fingers up to decent people who will always stick by and support Everton.

My lad gets so much abuse at school for being an Evertonian, it is unreal. The lads doing it are all full of shit, just like their dads, who follow the teams who look best on their telly. My lad has been to Goodison dozens of times and seen all the garbage of recent years, but has seen Martinez's first season, 15 home games in fact I took him to (I did the derby on my own) and that is as good as it's been for him. He still harks back to it now and he is only 13. A 300-mile round trip and he loves it.

If only the owners truly appreciated what an effect this old club has on people. Everton need a young fella in charge who will crush the regime and hand out lots of straighteners. The trainset mentality will never allow it though.

Mike Doyle
1023 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:25:51
Alan Myers reporting that nobody has yet been offered the job - and not to expect an appointment for another week (at least).
Andrew Grey
1024 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:11
I'm with Ray Roche on this banner thing.

Duncan Ferguson should have thought more carefully before he used that type of language.

Mike Gaynes
1025 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:27:36
Ray Roche, you are on a roll today.
Will Mabon
1026 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:28:44
Mike (D), that's interesting - but I wonder what leads him to say another week?
Kieran Kinsella
1027 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:33:30
Point about the sign is that you don't want little 5-year-old kids seeing that then going into school telling their teacher Benitez is a cunt.

I am not concerned with offending grown adults who support Liverpool. As Ed says, it's a word, and I think like any word it's the venom behind it that is more meaningful than the word itself.

But, like I say, thinking of young kids, and parents, grandparents with young kids, I think it was something that could have been spelt out much more politely and amusingly with a bit of thought.

Thomas Richards
1028 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:36:23
All the 5-year-olds in my family know he's a cunt. They've informed their teachers.
Michael Kenrick
1029 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:39:31
So the latest leak (Daily Star) claims there are eight names still on the shortlist!

Although the really poor article seems to just accumulate scraps of the click-bait tittle-tattle from the last 17 days, so it probably means nothing.

Brendan McLaughlin
1030 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:41:19
Andrew#1044
If it had been Duncan...Beneathus himself would have been hanging on the gates!
Mike Doyle
1031 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:42:20
Will #1046 ] No idea, but Alan certainly has connections at the club. Unfortunately the list of 8 names he mentions as being under consideration as those failing to excite on TW.
Kieran Kinsella
1032 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:43:18
Michael

I must have missed that. I check the Daily Star to read high quality stories like "Lonely nun starts fans only page" or "wiki leaks confirms Price Charles is a Martian."

Brent Stephens
1033 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:44:19
Ban all banners.

Now that calls for a banner.

Soren Moyer
1034 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:45:08
Language people! Mind the language ffs!
Steve Brown
1035 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:47:56
Kevin @ 1027, because the Benitez poll is a binary choice and there is a lack of precision per the law of comparative judgement.
Steve Brown
1036 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:53:17
Only joking by the way, I prefer the poll that has Benitez at 14% as I think he is crap and a cnut!
Kim Vivian
1037 Posted 18/06/2021 at 15:59:32
Ed (1041) - yes of course, but I'm keeping it on here among folk I (sort of) know and love.

I'll save me bed sheets for... y'know - sleeping.

Thomas - or is he simply a twat? (in their opinion)

Kim Vivian
1038 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:02:21
Is 8 a 'short' list?

Just sounds like a list to me.

Andy Walker
1039 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:04:08
Beginning to look more of a possibility that FSW was expectation management by manipulator Mosh.
Kev Jones
1040 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:05
Brian1029 muy divertida - just drop any irrelevant reference to personal characteristics and country of origin.
Thomas Richards
1041 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:06:44
Kim.

Both

Kev Jones
1042 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:26:57
For me it’s not that the words are offensive. Its that they are single bricks that when casually used over and over again cause people to feel inferiority and shame - a big house of hurt. This is rarely acknowledged by the people who use and excuse those words.
Danny O’Neill
1043 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:40:48
Daily Star scattergun Michael. Throw enough names at it and one might stick.
John Keating
1044 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:49:33
Don’t be surprised if some yet unmentioned guy comes out left field at the last minute
Martin Mason
1045 Posted 18/06/2021 at 16:57:14
Maybe the only solution that solves everything is to give Duncan the job. If he fails, he goes and the crony problem with it. If he succeeds then everybody wins.
Kieran Kinsella
1046 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:11:00
Martin

I actually agree with you. Gatusso is the latest link, I query that one but Mike Gaynes likes him. But, my worries were based on his football, apparently his Tottenham deal is falling through because of his offensive behavior/remarks. There seem to be a lot of questionable candidates but no one great. So we could pay one of these jokers a lot of money and hope for the best, or just give it to Dunc and let that scenario play out as it may. If it doesn't work out, it will have been a less expensive gamble than the other dodgy options

Pete Clarke
1047 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:28
I am on the other side of the world so I cannot go and hang a bedsheet on the gates and I currently have no spare sheets anyway.
I would like a fellow blue, who has a spare sheet to do me a favor and go and hang one up with this message.
Dear Rafa. On behalf of all decent Evertonians, I would like to offer a profound apology to you for any derogatory comments made about you. Apologies also for us taking offense to your “ small club” comment about Everton because you were 100% correct.
Due to our club being run by clowns for the past 20 years or so we deserved your comments and those made by many others.
Welcome to the circus and good luck !

Sorry but it may need a big king size sheet for that message and neatly done in calligraphy.
Dale Self
1048 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:15:40
Damnit, Spurs were supposed to take that guy. I'll admit that I haven't done much research but I don't see him as a good fit on leading the locker room. The fire he lit would lead to an explosion I fear and we don't have a deep enough squad for that type of experiment. Go Conte if you want firebrand.
Don Alexander
1049 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:29:04
I'm sort of impressed that most of us owd gits even know the meaning of "the word" in question. I'd've thought "Beneathus Is A Merkin" is something that'd chime with us.
Dale Self
1050 Posted 18/06/2021 at 17:58:38
As your retarded American football friend I must say that while we've been burdened by a rather testy discussion without it I would never have heard the phrase 'I'd rather swim through snot'. As an Okie I truly appreciate such colloquialisms, right up there with 'wouldn't give em the steam off my piss'.

Classic TW there man. Credit to Ray.

Roger Helm
1051 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:07:14
It is a bit embarrassing for the club but I don’t think a few potty- mouthed lowlifes are worth worrying about. Everyone knows that all clubs have an idiot fringe. At least it’s not hundreds of them bricking coaches, vandalising iconic buildings and doing even worse things.
Thomas Richards
1052 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:08:55
"Potty mouthed lowlifes*

😂😂

David Israel
1053 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:14:26
Ed #1018, "Red Shite" is not only acceptable; it should even be recommended. I also think it is now included in the Oxford English Dictionary.
John Boon
1054 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:19:09
I have written in previous posts about the idiocy of following ANY Football team. It is a disease which I have had for far too long. I will NOT mention my age because in the past it has hurt the delicate feelings of some Evertonians.

However the latest Pantomime with at least TEN villains has taken "Supporting Everton" to a whole new level of Absurdity. As much as it pains me to be involved in this Farce I just have to put my angst aside and just "LAUGH LAUGH and LAUGH again. There are over a thousand posts and nobody is right about ANYTHING including ME.

John Cleese and his Pythons could not have written a better script. Sorry to all those who are offended by my complete lack of seriousness but this is my only resort to maintain my delicate sanity. I think w should all relax and ask either Parliament or the Queen to give us some guidance. If we were designated as the club to make everybody smile and then laugh uncontrolably then we are keeping the whole World happy. Well Done Everton.

Ray Roche
1055 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:30:38
'Red Shite'

'a whining 'supporter' of L*verpool FC, normally from Essex. Also known as an A to Z since that is what they need to find their way to A**ield.'

Taken from the Oxford Dictionary.

Or was it the Urban Dictionary.,

Jay Harris
1056 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:37:33
Im just hoping that Conte is flying under the radar.

That would cause a lot of these no mark journos no end of embarassment.

Pat Kelly
1057 Posted 18/06/2021 at 18:58:24
How old will Rafa be before he's appointed
Brendan McLaughlin
1058 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:00:19
Pat#1077
Hopefully...106
Pat Kelly
1059 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:01:57
That looks a safe bet Brendan
Martin Mason
1060 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:06:48
Kieran@1066
Duncan is already a stakeholder and he wouldn't be doing it for his pension, only for his future and his credibility. How could we be criticised for appointing him too.? I believe he is very popular with the players.
George McKane
1061 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:13:36
https://twitter.com/CapitalLivNews/status/1405914250632216576?s=08 - here is my bit on Capital today.
Rob Dolby
1062 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:17:29
1081 Well said George.
Christy Ring
1063 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:18:32
It looks like next week before a manager is appointed. I still cannot understand why Benitez is even in the running, his CV for the last ten years has been so poor. Regarding the banner, I know it's vile, and it highlighted media attention to Benitez, but if the other banner was on it's own, would anyone have even known about it?
Brian Harrison
1064 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:22:26
Lets forget what the banners say and forget his small club comment and forget about managing the other lot what have the Romans ever done for us.
Seriously what the hell has he done in the last 10 years to be offered a job at any premier league club let alone Everton. I mean even Palace arent interested and neither are Spurs I wonder why. There was someone saying he lives locally how the hell does that even begin to be part of the equation.

Some reports yes all supposition we know are suggesting that Nuno has been verbally offered the job, but the report suggested he wasnt keen on having Duncan foisted on him. Surely we cant be telling potential new managers they have to have a man we don't consider good enough for the job, as his assistant. Mind Benitez will accept any proposal as long as he gets the job. Then no doubt he would bring in Robbie Fowler or Jamie Carragher as his assistants as well.

Jamie Crowley
1065 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:27:02
George at 1081 -

Well said. And very cool twitter interview!

Now the personal stuff -

Love the hair. Never, ever cut it. You've got some weird, positive juju going on. You seem an entirely likable human being. Charasmatic.

Nice to meet you via the internet.

Brian Harrison
1066 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:28:51
Christy 1083

Spot on about the banners, it will be no use putting banners up or having demonstrations after he has signed the contract. Our neighbours seem to be far better at getting their point across than we do. We tend to moan and stamp our feet and a bit of tutting, were they actually make people sit up and listen by the actions they take. Maybe Moshiri thinks this is just a handful of bitter Blues put these banners up and most would be happy with Benitez.

Timothy Sebastian
1067 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:33:00
Rafa Benitez is a good manager, but will never be the right one for Everton. His red baggage won't be forgotten when things start going wrong on the pitch, as it does with every manager a some stage of the season. Once the crowd is on his back, there's no way back. So please, anyone else, but not Rafa.
George McKane
1068 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:08
Thank you Jamie - niche words - Up The Blues.
Dale Self
1069 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:37:58
Alright George 1081, you've convinced me on that one. I was willing to let my childish side have some fun with that but the innocent bystander argument is a good one and these are small stakes.
Brian Wilkinson
1070 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:41:37
The more this lingers on, the more I think Duncan is in with a shout.

If the board is split, then why not give Ferguson a yearly rolling contract, at least then we can see how it pans out and also buys us time, instead of making a wrong Manager choice.

Christine Foster
1071 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:42:22
For many years now, far too many to be honest, I have been critical of the way the club has been run. With the advent of new ownership I had hoped all that had changed, sadly it hasn't in the least.
Losing Ancelotti to RM was out of left field, but distasteful and demeaning to the club, it's fans and it's players but what has followed since has topped that by a long way.
One can understand that the unpleasant surprise has left the club in shock, but the lack of communication with the fans is every bit as demeaning to fans as in the worst days of Kirkby fiasco. Not a word from the club as speculation is rife, as time drags on, as offensive banners are defacing the ground based purely on speculation that has been allowed to run riot baseless or not. The common denominator for the media blackout is the chairman and his utter lack of faith or respect for the supporters of this great club.
Whilst I fully understand the need for commercial sensitivity, there is a way of doing things that is inclusive or exclusive and time and time again the board of Everton FC choose the latter. As time drags on, any sensitivity is lost, replaced with confusion, more speculation and then anger. Mushrooms not fans. I don't condone the banners but they are a result of poor communication and disregard by the board. The longer it goes on the more embarrassing worldwide it is. All it takes is a simple statement from the club to keep the faith, we deserve better. We are not getting it. I hung my head in shame at the banners, but in anger at the club for letting it get to this.
In the end there will be a new manager, but whoever it is, their job is getting harder by the day as indecision and silence make good bedfellows for derision.
Utter silence from the club on players too, more speculation on James and Allan futures, too be expected certainly, but silence in its response.
From the moment the door slammed in their faces as Ancelotti departed there has been a blanket embargo on anyone talking on social media or press on anything other than BMD.
Silence in the first days is not a bad strategy, silence as time goes on is a total lack of leadership. It's continuation is damaging our battered brand even further. It smacks of Kenwright, of past AGMs of days I thought had gone.
Kim Vivian
1072 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:48:08
Well put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Great post Christine.

Ian Pilkington
1073 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:17
Christine@1091
A perfect summarisation.
Pat Kelly
1074 Posted 18/06/2021 at 19:53:53
Seriously, do we expect the Club to keep us informed of developments as they interview candidates. And players ' futures and possible signings. It's not a reality TV show.
Paul Hewitt
1075 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:01:21
Martinez is now a front runner for the Everton job according to sky. Give me Rafa anyday.
Ian Riley
1076 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:04:56
Getting bored of this! Thought having a billionaire would wash all our troubles away! Think david Moyes is coming home! Rafa news, all alot of nothing! Davey is coming home! Our saviour!
Dale Self
1077 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:05:50
All going to script there. This may be why the suits are comfortable not saying anything. They already have it worked out and are simply waiting for Roberto's preferred time for disclosure.
Steve Shave
1078 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
I had a dream last night that it was Martinez, I felt ok about that. It made me ponder this morning if it is to be him at what stage of this tournament would it be announced? surely it would derail the Belgium side for this to be announced at any point during the Euro's? in which case we will surely lose alot of preparation time for next season, not to mention potential transfer targets.
Brendan McLaughlin
1079 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:25:40
Paul#1095
Get the sheets off the bed and the slogans painted quick!
Mike Gaynes
1080 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:31:41
Christine, in the 35 years I've been a Blue this has always been the club's pattern -- they simply don't communicate with the supporters very well -- but in this particular situation I think the silence is appropriate. They should NOT be commenting on any and every rumor that comes out of some paper or website regarding who we are about to name. Nor should they be influenced in that policy by bedsheets.

Sometimes, even a frustrating silence is golden.

Anthony Murphy
1081 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:44:26
For anyone advocating the return of Martinez, I urge you to read Lyndon’s match report here.

https://www.ToffeeWeb.com/season/15-16/reports/Liverpool(a).php

Conor McCourt
1082 Posted 18/06/2021 at 20:48:15
@1099-Martin Luther Shave
Michael Barrett
1083 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:00:56
Brian Williams you have nailed it mate, they hang onto every word they read on this site.and then argue with each other about something that will never happen, some off you lot need to get a few hobbies away from Everton ffs.
Mike Gaynes
1084 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:06:57
Anthony #1102, I don't want him back either, but I think that's a bit unfair. That's five years ago. And Roberto is hardly the only manager who has embarrassed us in a Derby over the past few years. More than a few years.
Soren Moyer
1085 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:07:24
Martinez make II? Hell no!
Don Alexander
1086 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:51:16
Comment above refers to Ferguson getting the gig "cos the players like him"/"cos he gets Everton"/etc etc. Wiser folk rightly point out his zero search for a manager's job, at 50 now, ten years after beginning his career with us, and his determination to remain comfy in his house less than a hour from USMFF is in my opinion relevant.

There are times I wonder whether Ferguson knows what truly happened to "the Arteta money" and therefore has the chairman by the balls.

And others say Benitez living in a mansion in Caldy is great news for us. WHY? So he can get on the USMFF merry-go-round where "moderate" is good enough? Please, NO!

In all of this I just wonder whether Brands has now taken time out to realise he too needs not bother to do much to keep coining it in whilst mediocrity presses on above, below and all around him. I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Derek Knox
1087 Posted 18/06/2021 at 21:58:01
Michael @ 1103, a few hobbies away from football for some on here ? Like knitting, crocheting, flower arranging and dressmaking!

I'll get back in my man-shed! :-)

Tony Twist
1088 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:12:07
Why the hell are they taking so long about it! Christ, it is an absolute joke, why do we have to talk to Rafa numerous times, we know what he brings to the table. What are they worried about, choosing the wrong guy! well a high percentage of their long short list for the next Everton manager are the wrong guy. Due diligence my arse, it is just shambolic. Everton never fail to embarrass the fans with their actions. It's not rocket science, get on with making your choice you clowns. We need the manager in and settled ready to polish the turd that is the Everton first team.
Anthony Jones
1089 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:21:53
Please take his smug git face down.

The Rafa rant. Fact.

The small club comment.

He was Rafa Beneath Us with much higher salary expenditure.

Please no. Not him. Anyone but him.

Colin Glassar
1090 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:24:49
Roberto is back in the mix, Anthony. Between the two I know who I’d choose.
Paul Hewitt
1091 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:43:39
Anyone who prefers Martinez over Rafa deserves everything they get if Martinez is appointed.
Jamie Crowley
1092 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:55:12
My name is Jamie Crowley.

I'd like to state, for the record, I prefer Roberto over Rafa.

Thank you.

Paul Hewitt
1093 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:58:54
Jamie. That really doesn't surprise me.
Jamie Crowley
1094 Posted 18/06/2021 at 22:59:09
I honestly think I'll be the only TWer thrilled to see Roberto back.

It's going to be one man up against thousands on these pages.

I'm up for it. Bring it.

Paul Hewitt
1095 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:11:08
I prefer the Spanish waiter. To the Spanish loser
Brendan McLaughlin
1096 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:13:00
Seriously Jamie#1114
I can see how someone could make a case for him but "thrilled"...not the worst choice is the best I could offer.
Rob Young
1097 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:28:23
I'm with you, Jamie.
Wouldn't say thrilled, but I'd be looking forward to the ride.
Peter Brogan
1098 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:38:49
Roberto or Rafa… feels like a quiz that you would simply avoid.
Colin Glassar
1099 Posted 18/06/2021 at 23:55:13
Just watched the Martinez documentary, Whistle to Whistle, and all I can say is, What a manager!
Dale Self
1100 Posted 19/06/2021 at 00:15:13
Everton can't talk until Roberto wants to announce. If they do talk, what are they going to say? Oh by the way, here's how we stumbled our way to this decision.
Pete Clarke
1101 Posted 18/06/2021 at 00:21:52
I can understand Our dear leader Moshiri taking his time over this. He is an accountant after all so he has to work out who will cost the least in compensation in six months time when it goes tits up again.

Laurie Hartley
1102 Posted 19/06/2021 at 04:24:45
I enjoyed Roberto’s sin miedo period. If you like football watch this:-

A mixture of youth and experience

Mike Gaynes
1103 Posted 19/06/2021 at 06:23:17
George #1081, sometimes I try to imagine what the folks here look like based just on what they write.

You're exactly who I pictured. I swear, I could have picked you out of the entire Park End with a full crowd.

Love it.

Steve Brown
1104 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:22
Colin and Jaime, I think you have erased the 3-2 West Ham home defeat and the 5-2 away defeat to Kiev in the Europa League from your memory. Those defeats represent the muddled thinking that Roberto showed in his last two seasons. Playing Alcaraz instead of Stones in Kiev!

His signings in the first summer were excellent, to the extent that you could almost excuse him bringing such dross from Wigan in Robles, Alcaraz and Kone. But then followed McGeady, Besic, Cleverly, Lennon and Niasse. No, he really lost the plot.

Colin Glassar
1105 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:28:59
On Whistle to Whistle, Roberto only used the word ‘incredible’ three times and ‘phenomenal’ not once. He’s evolved.
Mark Murphy
1106 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:05
JK #1064
Don’t be surprised if some yet unmentioned guy comes out left field at the last minute

I've just lumped £10 on Worzel Gummage.
Thanks for the tip!

Steve Brown
1107 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:34:24
Got told off by Mike for saying choosing between Martinez and Benitez was like choosing between two vile dictators. Probably OTT.

So, I would better describe it as having to choose between Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings.

Jamie Crowley
1108 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:35:01
Steve -

The signings you speak of were under a different regime. Imagine Roberto with a kitty? He'd probably sign 1 stud, and like 5 up and coming, Marcel Brands Ajax prospect types.

I'm fine with that.

Colin Glassar -

It's 2:34 a.m. here. You obviously just woke for the day. I'm going to bed.

The internet is brilliant. Good night!

Steve Brown
1109 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:42:17
George @ 1081, Benitez and the Banners like a failed pop group. Haha what a brilliant line!

Really enjoyed your interview and you articulated what all Everton fans are thinking very well.

Danny O’Neill
1110 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:43:29
Has a club ever started a season with a caretaker manager? Just wondering.

Obviously it won't get to that. Will it??

Colin Glassar
1111 Posted 19/06/2021 at 07:53:58
Steve, I forget nothing. Roberto’s first season was a mixed bag. We started great, played some great stuff but post-Christmas we started to splutter and eventually ran out of steam. Second season the same. Players not fit enough to last 90 mins, defence nonexistent, poor (shite in some cases) recruitment, player discontent showing etc.. Third season it all fell apart and we know what happened.

But I believe in second chances. Martinez admits he wasn’t ready for a club like Everton with the pressure and demands (from the fans, not from the board, apparently) but he’s moved on, evolved and learnt his lessons. Some would say the same about Moyes since his disastrous spell since leaving Everton. He’s now become a coveted (by Bill) manager.

I’m not saying I want Martinez back. I think it would be a huge risk (unless he brings Henry or Vinnie Kompany with him) but between him and Benitez I think I’d go with Roberto.

Danny O’Neill
1112 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:04:01
I too would be uncomfortable with having Martinez back Colin. I was nervous first time around.

But, that's a really balanced framing of a case for it given the alleged choices available and those potentially interested.

I like the Viera & Kompany suggestion. Another thing is the links to the Belgium squad and very good system of producing good players in recent years.

Also, all have North West links and two inparticular have lived in the area a long time and pretty much have roots.

That's got me thinking about something I hadn't even considered, although I think we're now all becoming guilty of Michael's Daily Star "8 candidates"!!

Barry Rathbone
1113 Posted 19/06/2021 at 08:51:56
Martinez would be mad to return here once the vociferous minority have it in for you you're dead meat at this club, ask Allardyce.
Neil Lawson
1114 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:07:39
Not a lot else to do on a damp Saturday morning in Devon but to range through Google prayng to find that Benitez has found a job at Club La Costa instead.
Disappointed.
Does anyone know why Lampard was never touted as a suitable candidate? Not suggesting he is the right man ( although we would now all love him if he sneaked in ahead of the miserable man in black) but he has many of the required credentials and he is not Spanish or Portuguese.
Derek Thomas
1115 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:25:33
Whoever is on the list, Benitez is at the bottom of mine...bottom being the polite word for him.

Edit; Moshiri, Brands...and I don't believe it's Kenwright, he might be, not might, IS, many things, but even he's not that daft - anyway, whoever, wtf are you thinking...if you want average, there are better average candidates. Dame Edna for one

NO

Colin Glassar
1116 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:37:09
Has anyone on here been contacted about being the next Spurs manager? Daniel Levy has just about called everyone in the London phone book and is now planning on extending his search further north.
I’m up for a new challenge, especially if it includes a rent free pad in Mayfair, a chauffeur driven Lamborghini and unlimited broadband and text messages.
Christy Ring
1117 Posted 19/06/2021 at 09:59:11
I'd favour Martinez over Benitez everytime. You can mention Alcaraz and Mcgeady and Kone, but with the little money he had, he bought Lukaku and McCarthy, Kenwright gave him pittance after that, the reason for free transfers etc.
Phil Bickerstaff
1118 Posted 19/06/2021 at 10:45:02
Reading various articles and seeing media images in various tabloids, if the fat waiter is given the job there will be riots.although we have been treat badly in the years since Moyes, we are proud and passionate fans. Giving a job to a red who will give no passion to our club is a disgrace.
Give Dunc and Cahill the job temporarily. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper and players will have to play or else
Rob Halligan
1119 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:04:14
Nuno now linked to Spurs job. This managerial merry go round rumbles on.
Thomas Richards
1120 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:06:44
Give it a few days Rob and hopefully its Benitez to Spurs.
Ian Edwards
1121 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:16:05
Gulliem Ballbag who is a friend of Benitez has said Benitez will get the job because Usmanov wants him. Seems clear that Moshiri is just a puppet.
Brian Harrison
1122 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:17:22
Rob

I think the press have got as much idea as the fans as to who is going where, but I would imagine Spurs, Everton and Palace will all have managers in place by this time next week. I think Everton and Spurs are like mirror images who both have to go back a long time since they challenged for the title, a lot longer in Spurs case. I couldnt believe they sacked Pochettino at long last they had a manager who got them to the final of the champions league and they sacked him, very strange. Just like Spurs we are also embarking on building a new stadium, whether that will change our fortunes as many fans believe I just don't see it. Arsenal since moving to their new ground have done nothing, and Spurs are struggling in their new stadium. But as bad as they have been even Daniel Levy wasn't stupid enough to approach Benitez, he or Joe Lewis realized his achievement's have long since dissolved, although I was delighted when Ancelotti signed maybe managers like players have shelf lives, just as Spurs regressed under Mourhino, so surely there is a lesson for our board look at recent history not what a manager did decades ago.

Ian Edwards
1123 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:19:39
Jamie 1114. I agree with you. I'd have Martinez back in a heartbeat. Two semis and 72 points without a transfer window from Moshiri. With hindisight should never have been sacked. Every Manager since has been shite.
Thomas Richards
1124 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:28:11
"Seems clear that Moshiri is just a puppet."

Fingers crossed

Brian Harrison
1125 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:32:17
Ian

It is quite obvious that Usmanov is the real owner, Moshiri was put in control as at the time Usmanov was still hopeful of persuading Kronke to sell Arsenal to him. Usmanov has said that he will always be an Arsenal fan, but seeing the opportunity to own Arsenal has gone he has pumped his money into Everton. I think he sees the building of the new stadium a way of making money which I think is his and Moshiris main reason for getting involved with Everton. When it was rumoured that Ancelotti had a meeting with Usmanov before signing that told you all you needed to know about who really held the power at Everton. Some may ask well why seeing he cant get Arsenal doesnt he buy Everton, simple as a sponsor he can put money into the club far easier with less questions than if he tried to pump the money in as the owner.

Christopher Timmins
1126 Posted 19/06/2021 at 11:36:02
The thought of Rafa coming through the door is causing some to lose the plot and hoping for Martinez to come back. He had almost three full seasons at the club and year 2 was worse than year 1 and year 3 was worse than year 2. Did Sunderland, Sam's Sunderland, not give us a good beating at the back end of the 3rd season? In addition, he had a ready made back four thanks to David Moyes in year 1. When the central defenders started to age he could not fix the problem.

If you don't want Rafa then don't lower your sighs in desperation, you settle for the former Lille manager or the current River Plate manager or indeed you take Nuno.

If you want to choose a former manager please pick one that has actually won something and bring back big Joe with Duncan to take over in 12/24 months.

Dave Abrahams
1127 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:06:45
Jamie (1112 and 1114), Jamie if I lived near you I’d send for the ‘ hurry up van’ and the men in white coats, but you are absolutely entitled to state your opinion, even in a straight jacket!!

Jamie seriously, we’ll have good drink together when you eventually get over here, I’m buying, and that’s never been heard before!!

Colin Glassar
1128 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:17:20
No one is disputing that, Christopher. I totally agree but don’t you think he might have learned his lesson? Don’t you believe people can mature and evolve? Do you believe kids at school who are deemed thick (Churchill, Einstein, me) can’t improve in later life?

Roberto has kept Belgium at the top of the world rankings for three consecutive years now. No mean feat when you compare plucky little Belgium to powerhouses like Brazil, Germany, Spain Italy and now, Scotland. He has also overhauled the entire game, from youth to professional level, in Belgium. Overseen the building of their national training centre in Tabize(?). Introduced the most sophisticated tracking system in world football to follow and analyse every player in the country etc..

He’s considered to be a football genius in Belgium, and by many of his peers, and will one day manage Barca and/or the Spanish National team.

Don’t write him off just yet. There’s plenty of Roberto Martinez to come.

Martin Mason
1129 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:38:06
We are in trouble if as fans we are choosing between Benitez and Martinez. Have we really been that badly treated?
I thought that in the end Martinez was the worst manager I'd ever seen at Everton with a team that couldn't even play Zombie football. What has changed? Being a successful manager of the best International team in the World? Whoever takes over at Everton has a seriously hard job to do. Duncan for me and judge only by results, he has no baggage like TFW and Robbie Brown shoes.
Benitez on the orders of the real owner? We are in desperate trouble if that is so.
Steve Brown
1130 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:39:33
Christopher @ 1146, to be fair in 2014-15 we finished 11th under Martinez which was the same as 2015-16.

It was fans protests that precipitated his departure.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36179980

Paul Swan
1131 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:53:31
Can’t believe what I’m hearing about people wanting Martinez back. That bastard cost me two good seats in the lower Bullens as I refused to renew my season ticket whilst he was still in charge.
Rob Young
1132 Posted 19/06/2021 at 12:59:49
Would Martinez bring Thierry Henry with him?
Stephen Vincent
1133 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:32:23
Initially I was almost as opposed to Martinez returning as I am to FSW being appointed. However, if you take a breath and think about it logically, it may not be the worst decision we have made recently.

When he left us in 2016 he was appointed, surprisingly, within a few months as Belgium manager he has led them to number one in the world and to 3rd place at the last world cup. He is now 6 years older and that much more experienced. He is now a recognised international coach and would have more chance of attracting the type of player that we need to start developing some sort of long term plan, something that being manager of Swansea and Wigan precluded him from doing.

He is not adverse to promoting youth and although I believe that he is still committed to the type of possession football that drove us all mad last time round, with the right personnel he might not be the worst choice in the world right now.

I can hear some people saying that a monkey could have achieved what he has achieved with Belgium in view of the quality he has available, but he has still achieved it and there are plenty of international managers who have taken a group of talented individuals and not been able to meld them into a team.

Or am I just thinking anyone is better than Beneathus.

Michael Connelly
1134 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:51:51
Need to keep in mind that this is a first team coach we are looking for and a couple of assistants, not a 'Manager' per se. Brands is effectively the manager on the footballing side.

Martinez could do a good job on the coaching side, provided Brands has someone else overseeing player fitness and has appointed a defensive specialist. Martinez was clearly not up to it by himself with his own hand picked team.

Overall though, Benitez is the stronger candidate in my view. Benitez has had success with average enough teams in the past, including his recent stint at Newcastle; Winning a championship and 2 mid table finishes in the Premier league has to be deemed a success for a manager of Newcastle. But, aside from that he has 8 or so major trophy wins under his belt.

If I was Moshiri, I couldn't take a risk on Martinez, who could relegate you as soon as qualify for the champions league.

It still has to be NES, or Benitez for me. NES has proven that he can do well with an unfancied side, in winning the championship and 2 seventh place top flight finishes, and has been good at attracting quality players at not extortionate rates. He won't (or shouldn't) be allowed to bring in a massive back room team with him, however.

Soren Moyer
1135 Posted 19/06/2021 at 13:59:53
Its official: Fat Alisher wants Fat SW as Everton boss!
Scott Robinson
1136 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:07:13
Martinez has been the only manager post-Moyes to actually really care about Everton. Silva tried, but Martinez got it.

It was a sad day when Bobby got fired. He did actually try and cared for EFC.

Elite sport is a mental game and he must have a tough skin as well as the ability to get the best out of his players, so do I think he is a good manager. Yes.

Would he come back? Stranger things have happened - Ancelotti went back to Madrid after being fired by the same president who has rehired him. But I doubt it.

Stephen Vincent
1137 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:19:31
Michael #1154, So you want a manager who can get us out of the championship, how very forward thinking of you.
Ray Robinson
1138 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:32:01
I find the revisionism around Martinez simply astounding. The second and third seasons under him were simply awful and chaotic!
Stephen Vincent
1139 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:41:45
https://www.ft.com/content/a472f9e6-28c6-11ea-9305-4234e74b0ef3

You have to read about two thirds of the way down to get to the bit where Usmanov talks about us. But all interesting none the less.

Christy Ring
1140 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:42:17
Martinez has a lot more experience now as manager of Belgium, young and fresh. Benitez was in China for the last couple of years to make huge money for his pension, so he should be let retire in peace. You talk about how poor defensively we finished under Roberto, as I said earlier Kenwright gave him little money, that's why he had to sign Alcaraz on and free.
Jerome Shields
1141 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:54
Martinez would be ok if he could bring 3/4 of the Belgium team with him. Not the defence of course, they look as if they were coached by him.
Jerome Shields
1142 Posted 19/06/2021 at 14:54:56
Danny O’Neill
1143 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:00:54
Although 18 months old, that is an interesting read Stephen.

Seems to like his lunch time Vodka. Maybe that's where I've gone wrong. He's worth (or was then) $16.5 billion. I'm not.

Drink more Vodka.

Colin Glassar
1144 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:05:34
Christy, Martinez has never talked down to us like ginge the minge - “you can’t deny players the chance to play at a bigger club” or the Benitez “small club” dig.

Love him or hate him, Roberto always respected us unlike Ronald, Sam and Ancellotti.

Stuart Sharp
1145 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:08:10
Surely to God nobody can claim that signing Alcatraz was Kenwright's fault? Signing him was one thing. Selecting him was unforgivable. But then Martinez brought with him quite a few of those players he led to relegation the year before. He was a completely maddening manager. Very hard to know how much he's improved because international football is so different, but I think it would be a huge gamble to bring him back.
Kieran Kinsella
1146 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:11:18
Colin

Julius Caesar loved Rome but he still had to get knifed

Stephen Vincent
1147 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:13:30
Stuart,
Roberto had a dream, to build a football team,
But he had no money so he took the players on loan.
Etc.
Jamie Crowley
1148 Posted 19/06/2021 at 15:33:38
Dave @ 1147 -

My trip over will not occur without an Abrahams FAMILY round of drinks.

Have to meet the boy Tony, too!

Cheers.

Sin miedo.

Colin Glassar
1149 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:22:32
Kieran, Julius Caesar sacrificed himself for the glory of Rome.
Gary Ashworth
1150 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:12
I don't have a problem with Benitez and I couldn't care less about his history with Liverpool. I'd take Coutinho and a number of the current Liverpool squad. Why not, if it improved our squad and improved our chances of success?

I get the rivalry and the intensity of derby games, but if Sane came out and said he wants to move to Everton, I'd pay for his taxi.

I've said before now, Everton can be guilty of being too sentimental and need to change their mindset. The fact a former Liverpool manager is being considered tells me they are thinking with their heads, not their hearts.

Jeff Armstrong
1151 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:44
I've just been reading the FSW is Usmanov’s choice, if that’s true then it’s... welcome Rafa, what took you so long? 😜
Brian Wilkinson
1152 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:39:54
I do not want Martinez, but I fully agree with Colin, whatever happened at Everton Martinez never ever singled a player out, I have never heard anything but good things about Everton from him.

Few of the other Managers since were quick to take the praise when we won, but then put the blame on the players, when we lost, instead of blaming the selection and system they chose.

Although he had his positive phenomenal, he shielded the players from blame and in the end his lack of defensive duties and set play, cost him dearly.

But At least he tried and went away still proud of our football club.

Has anyone else heard Martinez, pull our football club down, I give the guy the upmost respect, just a pity he did not have the funds and a little out of his depth, at the time.

Barry Hesketh
1153 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:49:55
Benitez himself may help to take the decision out of Everton's hands, as speculation from 'football insiders' has arisen that Benitez's advisors have asked him to avoid the Goodison vacancy and wait for the Newcastle United job to become available as their potential new Saudi owners are keen on the Spaniard and the Geordie fans seem to like Benitez.
David Pearl
1154 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:52:33
Jeff, surely this is our year! We long-suffering fans can't handle much more.

I've heard those rumours too but you can't believe anything these days. Jim Whyte has been used to sound out the fans a couple times now but l just hope Brands can carry on his recruitment as he had his transfer meeting with Ancelotti the week before he left.

Thankfully we have the Euros as a distraction :)

Jeff Armstrong
1155 Posted 19/06/2021 at 16:59:38
David, I would hope any meetings between Brands and our former manager would now be considered obsolete, a DOF must surely consult with the current 1st team coach and agree strategy, team formations, and targets before a DOF goes out and signs players in the hope that the new incumbent would use/ want those players. Anything else would be amateurish ........ahhh it’s EFC!
Terence Connell
1156 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:01:25
Usmanov’s comments about what Rafa did in China are interesting.
Ed Fitzgerald
1157 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:03:09
Barry

You haven’t mentioned that his advisors (and presumably) Benitez himself have been surprised by the strength of many Blues objections to him being named Everton manager. He really loves the Geordies so it’s a good fit for him although he did reject a 6 million pound yearly contract from them a few years ago to piss off to China for double the money. It’s been reported he wants the same deal here a million a month.

David Pearl
1158 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:09:39
Jeff, l get your point of course. But l want just Brands to choose who to buy so that whatever manager comes and goes have a balanced squad put together by the one mind (is consultation perhaps). Otherwise if the next manager last less than a season we are not giving players away for free again.
Mike Gaynes
1159 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:12:08
Jamie, I want video of the moment you and Tony meet.

Poor Dave won't get a word in edgewise.

Dave Abrahams
1160 Posted 19/06/2021 at 17:22:56
Jamie (1168) A bit much that Jamie, three bleedin’ pints, okay I’ll force myself, I’ll start saving up now, Mike Gaynes is right though, you can ‘ rabbit’ and our Tony never stops, but my hearings on the blink so I’ll just nod and smile in the right places.

Sin mideo : I hope they are not swear words.

Mike Brownlow
1161 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:39:24
My feeling is that they have a list of candidates and they are working their way through... Each week, as they interview a candidate, they release a bit of info to gauge supporter thoughts... seen this before.

Sky and Co will obviously keep pushing any possible new candidate to drive their betting agenda. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed they pull someone out the bag like they did last time.

I also don't think any big name is a long-term good move as they will just move on so Conte and Co will leave after a year... not that I fancy Nuno or equivalent but at least they may stay a bit.

The Lille manager, whose name escapes me while typing, would be a halfway house as he's done a good job of pulling them from near bottom to top in 5 years with PSG who are one of the best in the world in the league... but not big enough to leave in 2 mins.

My only thought is that, if he was as good as he looks, the board would have hired him already... or they're so inept, which is also quite probable.

Christy Ring
1162 Posted 19/06/2021 at 19:56:13
I'm not a fan of Benitez, and his dig at us isn't the reason, at the time it was probably frustration. What I find hard to understand, his managerial career has gone backways since he was sacked by Liverpool. His reign at Inter was short-lived, and even the Georides couldn't take to his lovely humour! So why is he favourite?

Big Nev and Ball want Big Dunc, and they know a lot more than me. I'm a huge fan of Dunc, had a drink with him years ago in the Players Lounge. Apart from his inexperience, could he attract the top players to Goodison?

Mike Brownlow
1163 Posted 19/06/2021 at 20:14:42
I might understand appointing Benitez if he had been outstanding. I could almost forget he managed Liverpool if he was but quite frankly he's been average at best. I bet Man Utd would take Pep as he's excellent but would they take him if he was pants for 15 years? I wouldn't think so...
Terence Connell
1164 Posted 19/06/2021 at 22:11:17
My understanding is that Duncan hasn’t applied for the job. Didn’t he say he want ready for it ?
Laurie Hartley
1165 Posted 20/06/2021 at 03:31:20
Sitting here middday in Eastern Australia fretting about our managerial situation.

I have been checking out this Argentinian lad Gallardo. I wonder if our illustrious owners could lure him away from his beloved River Plate to Make Everton Great Again (MEGA).

We all have two things in common - we love Everton and we love Football. I live in the hope of seeing us play like this again. Have a look - it will cheer you up.

Gallardo’s River Plate

Alan J Thompson
1166 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:01:40
Christine(#1091); A nicely put together posting, Christine, but it does have one major flaw; How do you know that the sheets weren't hung from inside the gates? Has all the hallmarks of the Kremlin on it.
Danny O’Neill
1167 Posted 20/06/2021 at 07:54:53
They could communicate all they want. Weekly updates etc. But they wouldn't reveal their hand, just inform us they continue to seek a manager, which we know they're doing.

The communication wouldn't reveal who they're talking to, so it wouldn't give us anything more than what we know now.

The club continue to seek a new manager and talk to prospective candidates. That's about as much as they would reveal and we know that.

Colin Glassar
1168 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:06:15
Christy 1182, I’ve known Alan Stubbs since he was a kid. Lovely lad, blue blood in his veins, always gets the first and last round in, loves chips etc… Does that make him fit the bill? He’s got more managerial experience than Big Dunc and he’s a scouser to boot.
Danny O’Neill
1169 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:25:37
Loved Alan Stubbs Colin.

I always regret we didn't sign him earlier in his career. We should (or I think we should) have signed him from Bolton.

In a better team, he could have gone on to greater things in my opinion. And, whilst not Koeman, what an arrow of a shot he had on him for a defender.

Neil Cremin
1170 Posted 20/06/2021 at 08:31:23
Reading that Benitez is getting cold feet due to Everton “fan” reaction. Spurs are taking to Nuno. Who does that leave as the realistic choice of TWebbers.
Martinez, Won’t meet the fundamental requirement to bring discipline and organisation back. Not his strong point and Never go back.
So now we are realistically left with Howe, Dyches, maybe Potter or Duncan.
Take your pick TWebbers or dream on for Big name like Carlo with the same result. I have already nailed my colours to the mast
Tony Abrahams
1171 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:19:33
I’ve started asking Dave, who invented the light bulb Jamie, and although he hasn’t got a clue, he keeps getting the question right, so by the time you get over here the only way you will be able to communicate with him is if you can learn a bit of sign language, starting with “get the ale in Dave” because he’s not joking about being a door-hinge yer know!
Michael Connelly
1172 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:20:28
The simple, narrow minds of the football fan may well rule out the possible best candidate for the job. All the vitriol over one comment made in the aftermath of a derby is beyond me.

He'll probably end up back at Newcastle and make them a better team than us.

Joe McMahon
1173 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:27:55
Michael@1192, fully agree. Personally I've never understood the overreaction to the small club comment, the empty trophy cabinet backs it up. As for certain words on the Benitez Banners, that is not a good advert for Everton supporters.
Rob Young
1174 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:33:36
Michael, he was at Newcastle before and achieved nothing.
Steve Bruce made them a better team and they're still shit.
Mike Gwyer
1175 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:49:32

Joe, Michael.

Over the 6 years that Benitez managed Liverpool, I think you will find that there are numerous comments concerning Everton FC from Benitez. His remark about Everton being a small club is probably one of his better comments about our club.

Secondly, if you feel that the Benitez banners did not reflect what you feel or want to see, why don't you grab a bed sheet and have your say. There's plenty room for another bed sheet.

Jerome Shields
1176 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:17
Everton needs a shake up and Moshiri inadvertently may be right in selected Benitez whose main qualification, as far as he is concerned, is that he is a outsider.

It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.

Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.

Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.

Jerome Shields
1177 Posted 20/06/2021 at 09:51:18
Everton needs a shake up and Moshiri inadvertently may be right in selected Benitez whose main qualification, as far as he is concerned, is that he is a outsider.

It will take a outsider to question the current cosy setup at Everton where positions are determined by so called loyalty to the Club, when in fact the loyalty is conditional on keeping cosy positions in the Club.

Brands is now in one of these positions, but what he does realise is that he is a Director in name only, like a office Secretary in some tax haven, who is made a Director of a off shore company three to four times a day.

Maybe this is not the right way to run Everton. But Moshiri and Usmanov obviously have their reasons. They probably know alot about man management and could be right regarding Benitez, who has proven football qualification earned the hard way not always in the Top Six like Anchelotti. He has been relegated stayed with the Club and brought them back up. There a few Managers in the Premiership who would have the guts for that. Certainly none of the Top flight Managers.

Neil Cremin
1178 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:05:18
Rob
May I remind you that they beat us twice this year.

Looks like at this stage we will be begging for somebody to manage us as we are looking like a poison chalice with each passing day.

Kevin Prytherch
1179 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:16:55
It will take an outsider to question the current cost setup?

Because Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti were all “insiders”?

Winston Williamson
1180 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:25:59
Still think the correlation to good management is good players. Seems obvious really doesn’t it?

You sign shite, you’re going to play shite.

Moyes bought mostly above average players with a point to prove - we mostly finished slightly higher than expected (above average? Best of the rest?)

Martinez signed a monster striker and we narrowly missed out on CL. Defence starts to decline and he signed shite replacements. The team in turn turned shite.

Koeman? Signed a load of similar players. Unbalanced. Overpaid (in every way). Shite.

Silva benefitted from one good player signed by Koeman, as Gana really stepped up and played like a champion after Christmas. He was sold and replaced by an unfortunate series of injuries (Gbamin).

My fingers can’t bring themselves to type the name of that 6mil a year muppet. He signed two shite players and we continued to play shite.

Ancelotti signed some ok players. He got some ok results. We played slowly as most of our players are slow (physically and mentally).

My point is (long winded), we need better players! Regardless of manager! Our club needs to get player recruitment fully under control, with a clear strategy!!

Michael Connelly
1181 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:26:28
Rob, he won the championship with them, followed up by 2 mid-table finishes in the Premier League on much less resources than ourselves.

Granted, he is a spiky character, but maybe that's a positive when he's in your own corner.

If only we could be a bit less sensitive and a bit less insecure in ourselves.

Paul Corbett
1182 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:27:52
The way I see it is that the board are taking their time in the hope of making the right decision after several bad choices. The problem is I think the names being mentioned all have inherit risks so whichever appointment is made is going to disappoint some sections of fans.

Initially I thought NES was a good choice because of his good few years with Wolves (prior to last season where the loss of players were a major issue.) I still think he’s a safe choice.

I don’t think Galtier would come as he’s comfortable and in France. Conte is another Ancelotti and will be off when a bigger club come calling.

We need to accept that we are what we are. A mid-table club with an ambitious fan base. In which case I can only see two other options: Benitez or Martinez.

Benitez is another Moyes, someone to bring stability with the outside chance of reaching Europe. Martinez would bring exciting football with a prospective of us finishing 5/6th or bottom half.

So as we enter a third week of speculation I would take a gamble on Martinez, if only to see Everton having a go, whether it results in the dream of Europe of falling into the bottom 10, at least it’ll be a fun ride

Brian Harrison
1183 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:38:19
Benitez will be named our new manager early next week, he and Usmanov and Moshiri have been on a boat off the coast of Sardinia for the past couple of days finalising his contract. But we shouldn't be surprised lets not forget this pair installed Allardyce much to the annoyance of the majority of Evertonians. They are here simply to make money from this project which will culminate when the new stadium is built and they sell the club. I guess many will say well there are very few owners who care what the fans think, you only have to look at the Glaziers at Man Utd and Ashley at Newcastle or Kronke at Arsenal. No wonder some of these owners wanted an even bigger slice of the cake looking to start the ESL and lets not be in any doubt Usmanov/Moshiri would have signed up if asked.

I know quite a few Evertonians will adopt the mind set well if he is our manager then we will get behind him, and some maybe in the minority like me cant understand how with his record over the last 10 years is even a candidate. The thought of having to look at him in the dug out each week at this moment is the most unappealing thought.

Chris Mason
1184 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:39:48
The club needs a shake up, but is Benitez the man to do that? I’m not sure.

Whichever side of the bed sheet you’re on, his job will be made nigh impossible by the negativity and booing at home games.

Alternatively someone left-field, like Gallardo represents a hot and hope choice. Can we risk him failing miserably? Reach for the stars etc?

I think we would be better with a manager with premiership experience, but someone with the energy and licence to run through the club and shape it with Brands. Not that I know anything of course.

Carl Davies
1185 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:24
Winston Williamston @1200 absolutely spot on in youre assesment since Moyes. Recruitment has been poor since Moyes and thats what needs to massively improve or we will still under perform no matter what manager sits in the dug out.

We need to pay top dollar for a top Striker like Lukaku who can make a average team look good and turn draws into wins and that would be a great starting point. Easier said than done though unfortunately.

Paul Birmingham
1186 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:42:38
Good perspective Paul, @1202.

I said on some previous TW threads, it’s, the reality check of where Everton are.

It’s tough times and being honest I’m hoping for good times but at the moment it’s disillusioning watching and waiting, for donkies years for stability and success on the Park.

Money doesn’t guarantee success and let’s hope the clubs being diligent and taking the extra time to bring in a good fit for Everton.

But is there such good fit out there, it remains to be seen.

Enjoying the Euros and here’s to hope and better days.

The Italian job has hopefully galvanised the board to work harder to try and get Everton on an even keel.

Oliver Molloy
1187 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:46:05
Don't believe for one minute that Benitez will get the job. The "small club" comment was exactly what you would expect from a Liverpool manager, but his football is boring and he's after the last big pay day - surely Moshiri won't be mugged again!

The next manager needs to be somebody who really gets the club and us long suffering supporters.

Ancelotti leaving has really set us back and the word is ALL at Everton are still shocked and Moshiri in particular is very angry.

Apparently we don't get any compensation from Real Madrid and now we hear that Rodriquez can also leave because of a clause in his contract. Who is drawing up the contracts at Everton ?

Any Evertonian I have spoken with these last few weeks reckon they don't give a fuck who the next manager will be such is the state of our club, they do of course but the mood is very very low.!

Martinez gets the club, I'm sure he will attract players and for me I would welcome him back, would he be interested ?

Ferguson is an Evertonian and is desperate for his chance, maybe a one year contract, I'd be worried though!


Clive Rogers
1188 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:47:37
I am coming round to the view that we should bite the bullet and appoint Ferguson and Baines. I don’t relate to any of the other candidates.
Conor McCourt
1189 Posted 20/06/2021 at 10:49:44
Michael you portray a lovely picture of Benitez time at Newcastle.

What you fail to show is that;

Firstly he got them relegated when one point off safety and ten games to go only because the wally with the brolly was having such a mare with players like Wiljaldum in that side. Allardyce would have kept them up.

Then they ran away with the championship with a premier league squad.

He finished tenth then thirteenth (45 points,44 points) which is identical to the points total Steve Bruce has finished with in the last two seasons.


Brian he's drifting like a barge on betfair to 3-1

Tony Abrahams
1190 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:05:50
Oliver@1207, I’m not saying you’re wrong about the next manager having to really understand the fans, (I’d say Kenwright understanding the fans, has enabled him to keep hold of his position for way to long) but my own view of life, is that you usually understand your enemy, more than you understand most things, and if that small club shout, wasn’t aimed at getting back at the Evertonians, who used to absolutely slaughter the fat Spanish waiter, (he was a horrible fucker, wasn’t he?) whilst also gaining a lot of plaudits from the Liverpool supporters, (think of Moyes and the peoples club) then I’d be very, very surprised.
Rob Halligan
1191 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:12:46
Neil # 1198, may I remind you that the season just ended we beat Arsenal twice, we took four points off Spurs, Liverpool and leicester. The point of this, I've no bloody idea, the same way as I don't understand your post, regarding the fact that Newcastle best us twice last season, a season when Steve Bruce was their manager, not Benitez. Unless, of course, you're implying that Steve Bruce is a better manager than Ancelotti, and Newcastle are a better team than us!!

Ah, now I understand the point of my post, Ancelotti is a better manager than Arteta, and three quarters better than Klopp, Mourinho and Rodgers, and we must be a better team than all four of them. Jeez, there is some shit posted on here.

Neil Cremin
1192 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:19:10
WInston #1200. Agree totally with you analysis, but a managers job is to get the best out of his players. Nobody has done that in recent years.
Paul ~1202. Agree with you with the exception that Martinez for me is not the answer to our problems.
What we need is a disciplinarian to organise the players which we have into a tightly organised, well drilled and fit side. Martinez proved in his time with us that this is not his strength.

Finally looking through the threads, one person throughout this thread who does not come in for criticism is Brands. Where is his inspiring recruitment policy, Rodriguez contract etc. Need to examine what he brings to the table of our dysfunctional club.

Paul A Smith
1193 Posted 20/06/2021 at 11:24:24
The banners are a result of stupidity from the clubs actions. Benitez shouldn't even be mentioned. Some fans act like hes the last manager on earth available.

Nobody with legendary status at the devils club should ever be mentioned. I wouldn't make a banner for any reason but one thing we all know is - everyone has different behaviours and reactions to any kind of news or result.

This action has pissed a lot of people off because core values matter.

I'd be searching for the best coach in football to work with Duncan Ferguson. Sort the recruitment problem and there is no reason why Duncan can't do a good job.

And he is one man the group of players will be less inclined to turn on.


Danny O’Neill
1194 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:05:12
Oliver, just as much as we don't really know what the board are up to and how much substance is behind the links to the various alleged candidates, do we really know that Duncan is desperate for his chance? I've not seen anything to suggest that is the case.

To date, he has previously declared he didn't want it and to me, still seems pretty comfortable in his comfort zone, literally sitting in the background. Personally I think that one comes back to bite us big time, not that we can really ever predict these things.

Being an Evertonian, born one or converted, is not a determining criteria for the selection of Everton manager for me. In fact, in 2021, it's a dangerous and regressive path to go down.

Laurie Hartley
1195 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:42:53
Tony # 1210 - very eloquently put.
Neil Lawson
1196 Posted 20/06/2021 at 12:57:10
Father's Day today.
Just 3 wishes. A hug from my kids, to watch Wales v Italy in peace and without interruption and for the announcement ( or real hope) of a proper manager. If I want a Spanish waiter my kids can take me to a tapas restaurant. More and more I think, like many on here, give it to Duncan. It is a risk but no more so than most of the others touted, albeit for different reasons.
Now that would be a Father's Day to truly remember.
Rob Young
1197 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:00:55
Neil #1198.
Yes, they did and still didn't finish above us though did they?
Oliver Molloy
1198 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:11:47
Danny, I know for a fact that Ferguson certainly told one player he wants to be Everton manager just before Ancelotti arrived.

I agree with your "cushy" comment and in my opinion he should go take a job and see how he does elsewhere, but who knows, what I do know is we are a mess and the longer we are without a manager the bigger the mess is going to get.

Danny O’Neill
1199 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13:17:06
That makes sense Oliver. I'm sure Duncan would love to be Everton manager at some point. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against it when the time is right.

I too, like you, would like to see him tested somewhere else rather than us being the tasing ground to see whether he's got it or not.

It is frustrating. I / we can only hope the delay is because they are giving this one serious consideration.

Hope word again. I wish I could say that with confidence and optimism.

Jerome Shields
1200 Posted 20/06/2021 at 13: