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1 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:08:47
2 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:16:43
3 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:20:05
4 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:29:09
A 7-2-1 line up then or another Moyes nobody upfront move?
5 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:46:50
6 Posted 02/07/2021 at 07:52:01
7 Posted 02/07/2021 at 08:10:11
8 Posted 02/07/2021 at 08:54:24
Rafa or Marcel ?
9 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:12:12
Southgate brought Ben White into the England Squad to replace the injured Alexander Arnold, who plays right back ?
Surely we have space at right back for an England player ?
Arteta has bid £42 million and it has been knocked back. If Arteta thinks he's worth that much he can't be that bad and he's currently at the Euros in a decent squad.
Maybe Mason is on his way but White can play Centre Half or Right Back so there could be legs in the story. This beats talking about who's going to be managing us anyway, hence this post ha ha relief
10 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:17:25
In fairness, I'm speaking from a position of ignorance as I don't know enough about this player, but shopping in this end of the market you need to be careful. If he's a Godfrey fine. But I wouldn't want another Michael Keane.
11 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:21:06
White can play right back in the same way Holgate can play right back. By which I mean he can do it but it's not a good fit.
12 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:25:42
We already have cover options in Holgate and Godfrey to do that. We need a right back. Lescott done it for a season when we seemed initially uncertain about Baines. But he was a centre back.
Unless, as I say, we are looking to shift on a centre back and as much as I'd rather not, I suspect that would be Mina.
13 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:26:41
Or a Pep no body upfront?
We need to address 3 other positions first.
14 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:32:41
Given the source, Id take it with a pinch of salt, but if they did come after him wed struggle to keep hold of him. He must be worth a few quid though?
15 Posted 02/07/2021 at 09:44:02
But centre back is really not a priority so I expect this is just media nonsense, possibly planted by Brighton to drive up price.
Brands has apparently just been in Holland to negotiate on players. The priority I suspect remains a right back, productive right winger and possibly a reserve striker if Kean is let go. In Holland he may have been discussing the likes of:
Right backs: Denzel Dumfries, Noussair Mazraoui, Devyne Rensch, Lutsharel Geertruida
Right wingers: Antony, Calvin Stengs, David Neres, Cody Gakpo
Strikers: Donyell Malen, Myron Boadu, Noni Madueke, Giorgios Giakoumakis.
Some decent looking players in the Eredvisie. Id be pretty excited if he came back with Dumfries, Antony and Madueke; would certainly add some more pace and dynamism to our right flank though i'm not sure if they are Benitez style players.
16 Posted 02/07/2021 at 10:02:08
I know it isn't an obvious priority, but back to my last season ramblings, if we can change the type of centre back we have, we can push further up the pitch. That starts from the back. If the defence is confident coming out, it pushes the midfield higher up the pitch and gets them closer to the attackers.
17 Posted 02/07/2021 at 10:02:53
18 Posted 02/07/2021 at 10:12:43
That'll really light a few fires under people on here!
19 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:15:19
Gomes, Iwobi and Courtinho on the pitch at the same time? Our new "Saviour" would have to pump that threesome with methamphetamine to get them to be up for the game.
20 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:23:02
21 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:26:48
I wonder if some Dutch internationals might be there too, who play abroad, because I think they played their group games in Amsterdam. Can't think of anyone other that Dumfries (maybe Malen or Wouthorst) that Benitez would be interested in.
I suppose someone like Lozano might have a dutch agent too. Did Lozano ever play under Benitez at Napoli? Not sure.
22 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:40:58
Outside of Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison, we have very little.
Kean, if he returns, may show more if given the chance under Rafa but I have my doubts.
Rodriguez and Sigurdsson are sporadic and nothing much comes from the rest. Forget about the others like Tosun and Bernard.
It's imperative to improve that situation along with a new influence in midfield as what we have currently just doesn't cut it.
23 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:41:54
24 Posted 02/07/2021 at 12:55:40
But I would say surely we need to line up a sale of the fringe players before making a splash like this.
25 Posted 02/07/2021 at 13:12:38
26 Posted 02/07/2021 at 13:33:26
Go 3 centre-backs: Godfrey, Mina, and a new one... sell Holgate or Keane... with Dumfries and Digne as wingbacks.
Central defensive midfield: Allan, Doucouré... Maybe Bishop or Kamara from Rangers. Gyfli back up Acm. So we need quality as first choice.
That leaves 2 up top: Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison, or sell one of them and get two 15 goals a season forwards
27 Posted 02/07/2021 at 13:51:32
I can see Moshiri splashing the cash this summer, we need to compete and are miles off currently.
28 Posted 02/07/2021 at 13:55:26
29 Posted 02/07/2021 at 14:41:06
We need to get this type of player earlier in their development cycle and cheaper, like we did with Stones, Lukaku, Dominic, Pickford… Seamus even!
30 Posted 02/07/2021 at 14:43:11
Mark #9, he played twice at right back in May. Those were his first appearances at the position in 3 years, since he played a handful of games there for Newport. We'd be buying him as a center-back, which we don't really need unless we're planning to sell at least one of Holgate, Keane or Mina.
Sam #15, after watching Dumfries at the Euros, I'd be ecstatic if we got him. He's exactly the right-back we need, much more so than Aarons or anybody else we've been connected with.
31 Posted 02/07/2021 at 15:24:25
We need a Seamus type who can get up and down the pitch and can contribute to the goals for tally.
Another CB does not feature in our budget for me and due to FFP we have to be careful on what we spend and recuperate especially as it looks like Kean will not be sold this summer.
32 Posted 02/07/2021 at 15:26:50
Dumfries I knew. Had to look up the other two. Dumfries, I'd guess would be expected top compete for a starting position immediately.
The other two I think are the kind of relatively low-cost, young talent we need to be taking chances on.
33 Posted 02/07/2021 at 15:48:45
James@32, yes, young talent for sure though i'm not sure how low-cost they would be. Difficult to know with these 'wonderkid' types, depends on their contract and amount of interest etc.
34 Posted 02/07/2021 at 15:49:59
35 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:00:12
I see Norwich want to take the young Scottish lad Gilmour on loan...why can't we eh?.
36 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:01:48
Apparently Rafa has a database of 3,000 players. Has anybody told him FIFA's not the real thing
37 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:02:08
You could do a lot worse than just telling your recriutment team to try and pinch transfer targets from Lecister, Leipzig, Dortmund or Atlanta. Those teams seem to have got it mostly right for the last few years.
38 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:09:32
Who knows how things will progress re. loans now under Benitez. I guess loanees have limited value in team building without the option of purchase.
39 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:11:39
40 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:19:08
Midfield three for me of... Cantwell,Gilmour and Lolley... balanced at LONG LAST.
41 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:22:51
And as a Dortmund supporter, I've often wondered why we couldn't duplicate their success at mining young diamonds.
Leipzig I think doesn't deserve the same credit, however... Red Bull has set them up with a corporate structure tapping Salzburg and the US that we could not hope to develop.
42 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:30:48
43 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:31:26
44 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:41:57
I believe the lad needs a move to really push on mind,he's probably still gutted Forrest didn't go up,with the great chance they had two seasons back.
As for our current midfield...sigh...MAJOR PROBLEM STILL.
45 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:47:00
46 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:49:06
Interesting point about West Ham. Personally Id say with the exception possibly of Behnrama (TBD) those signings are all perfectly Moyes, they are bargain players who may raise you from 12th to 6th but Im not sure theyd ever be much sought after by the top 4 teams; whereas Leicester are buying players like Tielemans, Fofana, Castagne who Id expect to be desired like Maguire and Kante were in the near future.
All good purchases but different caliber of goods in my opinion.
47 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:52:52
Amazing to think many of their signings have gone on to play for clubs like Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea (at a huge profit) and they still keep finding more.
Someone at that club (and it wasn't Steve Walsh) has got a very good eye for a bargain.
48 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:55:08
49 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:56:25
I'd sign him now, but it seems Chelsea only want to loan him out. If that's the case... then do it, Blues, with an option to buy at the end of the loan period only!
50 Posted 02/07/2021 at 16:58:33
Sam, Spurs spent years gazumping Moyes' targets. Not a bad idea to do the same to others.
Certainly some decisive quality recruitment will help us all feel better about the manager situation.
51 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:04:27
Matthew #44, wholeheartedly agree re our midfield. We need a creator and two speed burners to really compete. But as for Lolley, can't recall exactly but wouldn't he be like 30 now? If we're going to tap the Championship, I'd prefer younger guys. Like Bowen.
Jay #48, agreed.
52 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:08:54
And I hadn't twigged that about Leicester v WHU recruitment. You're right, Leicester sign players capable of playing champions league football and accept they'll lose some of them to richer clubs. Moyes signs players to get you to 6th but they don't look like they can hit the next level.
53 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:24:59
54 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:26:00
We should of gone for Tilemans... Leicesters recruitment has been very good and they even made a couple million off us for Walsh. What a deal that was!
55 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:37:42
Robert and David, Leicester and West Ham are two of the four Prem clubs rumored to be in for Pereira, along with Villa and us. Who gets him -- at that big price tag -- will tell us a lot about the respective transfer strategies and ambitions.
56 Posted 02/07/2021 at 17:51:05
57 Posted 02/07/2021 at 18:56:52
58 Posted 02/07/2021 at 19:21:12
Any kind of success and joy,would be most welcome,for the longest suffering fans in world football.
59 Posted 03/07/2021 at 00:57:15
To be fair, I rate the lad, but another central defender is about 7th in the list of what's needed.
60 Posted 03/07/2021 at 07:28:49
If we buy a player with Ben White's profile, it would be clearer evidence following on from the purchase of Godfrey, Branthwaite and Nkonkou that there actually is some logic to our recruitment policy long term.
61 Posted 03/07/2021 at 08:15:53
If we are going to bring in a new centre back, then it would seem obvious one is on the way out. I agree with Steve Brown. I would prefer it was Holgate or Keane, but guess it would be Mina, who I'd like to keep.
Also, if we are going to do that, then I personally would go for experience. We have youth in Godfrey and both Holgate (24) and Mina (26) are relatively young for central defenders. Michael Keane (28) should theoretically be approaching his peak, which is worrying as I don't think he will get any better. I always think you get the best out of centre backs between 28 - 32 years, but many perform for longer. It is a position where experience and a wise head always has a place, more so than other areas of the pitch.
At left back, we are good. Digne (27) backed up by Nkounkou (20). We all know right back is the priority, so I hope there are legs in the Dumfries rumour. Especially as he can naturally play wing back if we go 3 at the back.
Not against a new centre back; I've been calling it for months. But for me bring in an experienced, established one. On that basis, if I'm Marcel Brands for a day, I'd be swapping out Michael Keane.
I believe it's so important that the defence is a balance of experience and youth. That goes for the rest of the team and squad, but so important in defence.
62 Posted 03/07/2021 at 08:36:32
63 Posted 03/07/2021 at 08:52:42
To me, Leipzig have looked at the transfer market at decided quite rightly that the whole thing is crackers.
So instead of spending fortunes on high risk transfers (and getting nowhere as a consequence), they reduce the risk and to some extent cost by:
- owning a supply chain which sees high quality teens like Szoboszlai turn out for Liefering, then Salzburg before arriving at Leipzig when first team ready (and they're building this out in the Americas now).
- supplementing the own-supply model with recruitment on very strict terms (no-one older than 22, no fee more than £20m ish).
It's not about having a team full of teens and 22 year olds, the team itself is a mix of youth and experience. It's about just about buying new players in a more cost efficient / low risk way.
I know a lot of posters observe that successful sides tend to buy a mix of youth and experience. To that, I would say there are plenty more unsuccessful sides that do this too, us included. Because buying experience only improves the side if you can afford top quality experience which most can't (again, us included).
We might not go full fat Leipzig, but there's definitely a lot to learn from them and the likes of Leicester and the RS who do a kind of semi skimmed Leipzig.
64 Posted 03/07/2021 at 11:21:56
65 Posted 03/07/2021 at 12:28:32
We say Leicester as a kind of similar model, can I controversially add Liverpool of recent years to that? Buy relatively cheap. Player becomes next best thing. Not afraid to sell, but at considerable profit. Uncover next relatively cheap but ideal replacement. Repeat cycle and progressively improve.
Can we we have Sabitzer off Leipzig? Sorry, I always have to get that in when I get the chance and you gave me that!!
66 Posted 04/07/2021 at 14:02:51
67 Posted 04/07/2021 at 22:07:35
68 Posted 06/07/2021 at 00:23:46
A right back with pace, who can defend and cross and has a good engine.
A right winger with pace, who can cross and pass and score.
A striker to compliment DCL, who can also play on his own.
A solid back-up keeper.
A box to box midfielder, who can pass forwards, and has a bit of pace. A bit of a playmaker as well as athleticism.
Thats seven new faces. I dont see my football manager vision happening, but it needs to.
69 Posted 06/07/2021 at 01:29:23
We only have Coleman as a right-back, Iwobi at right-wing (or James) and, as last season showed, the second Doucouré got injured, our midfield didn't function.
Others have mentioned Leicester City and they're spot on. They buy young players in the positions that they need quality in and have got a lot of them right. Our right flank is so weak currently and must be the priority. I thought Matheus Nunes was a clever signing for midfield but I gather that it was just nonsense.
I'm interested to see if this is the year we focus on selling to even FFP out a bit.
70 Posted 06/07/2021 at 03:10:34
I don't remember us being uncertain about Baines, my memory is that he came to us injured so Lescott played right-back until Baines was fit.
71 Posted 06/07/2021 at 06:04:50
Baines is the best Everton left back I've seen by the way in my opinion.
72 Posted 11/07/2021 at 07:58:59
Perhaps if we bring that Dutch lad, Dumfries, in we might additionally offer them Kenny as a makeweight seeing as how the Dutch seem rather better at improving youngsters than we have been.
I do hope that we don't get that which afflicted those over the park when their French manager signed a lot of his countrymen and this bloke did the same for Spaniards. If, as rumoured, Ancelotti may have left as the transfer fund is not as big as expected then I would hope the latest bloke spends what is available as responsibly as possible without too much falling out with the DoF.
73 Posted 17/07/2021 at 08:55:12
Why do English players attract such a premium? Its not like English football has achieved anything or consistently produced top quality players in recent times.
And people wonder why clubs shop on the continent for better players at a cheaper price (in general).
74 Posted 17/07/2021 at 09:23:01
A good example of English players being overpriced is comparing the values of the Italian team players to the England team players.
75 Posted 17/07/2021 at 09:52:28
Maybe thats why Ancelotti jumped ship he may have had the same discussions and found there would be very little to spend and thought this club needs major surgery and if I cant spend then its impossible. I also think that Moshiri/Usmanov will be concentrating their finances towards the new ground rather than in the squad. This is the norm when clubs are building a new stadium happened at Arsenal and Spurs when they were going through their stadium build.
76 Posted 17/07/2021 at 10:31:55
Hes decent but not £50m decent. Outrageous over hyped and inflated.
Lets hope Marcel and Rafa have a few irons in the fire, and they get brought in soon.
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