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1 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:21:35
Joking aside welcome to our great club, hopefully the next DCL
2 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:24:01
That said, I always feel a lot of sympathy with a club like Sunderland that's already lost Hugill to Man Utd last season. Shame these kids don't stick around to represent their local clubs. That's modern football unfortunately.
3 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:29:10
4 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:29:57
5 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:33:30
Welcome and good luck.
6 Posted 15/07/2021 at 18:59:56
7 Posted 15/07/2021 at 19:08:24
We have just released a few to Blackpool, I just hope we don't regret it later down the line, and have yet to make decisions on a few others too.
8 Posted 15/07/2021 at 19:55:24
I'm a hypocrite really because my head says bolster the academy squad with signings like this but my heart says its a rotten state of affairs.
9 Posted 15/07/2021 at 20:02:46
Please feel free to blame Bill Kenwright and turn this thread into another bashing Bill club get-together. Or we could arrange a special TW night for it...
Well you never know, good luck the kid. The season Unsworth topped up the u23s didn't work out but we have had some good ones in Stones, Calvert-Lewin, and Holgate.
I see we are about to let Bernard go but l would've liked him to get more chances last season as he did okay in patches. If we get another centre-back in, then that puts us up to 7 of them. Then we have 6 central mids and could be signing another one. Question marks over Delph and Gbamin of course but surely at least 2 of them will be moved on. Brands will be a busy man, let's hope for a couple incoming before they fly off to Florida. Sorry for going off thread!
10 Posted 15/07/2021 at 20:12:13
11 Posted 15/07/2021 at 20:43:12
12 Posted 15/07/2021 at 20:56:04
Derek, Holgate had some iffy moments last season but also some very good games such as against the RS. I wouldn't shed many tears if we sold him but he could also kick on again if he sorts his head out.
13 Posted 15/07/2021 at 20:58:11
Roberto Martinez was the first to mention how many kids really stagnate in this country, between the ages of 19-21, and this has been evident at Everton imo, but cant have been helped by us having such an unsettled era with regards to having so many different managers in charge of the first team.
I remember a very young Arsenal, footballing the Everton team that came 4th, off the pitch at Highbury, in a league cup game, with so many possessing a talent that seemed to be entrained into the Arsenal Wenger style, but I cant remember many of those very talented kids coming through either.
Maybe feeder clubs, could be the way forwards? Young kids getting proper competitive football in a settled environment, could only be a good thing, and might just help more young players come through to play at a higher level, because the present system seems to be falling down, and possibly because to reach the end game, (the top) a lot depends on a players physicality in this country, and I'm sure its something that should and could be improved, with more game time lower down, to possibly help some of these kids adapt? (My wording is probably to difficult to understand)
Thinking about this a little bit more, Id say Evertons budget at this level, probably dwarfs nearly every single club in league one, a league that half these expensive teenagers, eventually fail to make the grade into, for just a little bit more perspective, on how much money is wasted across the board?
14 Posted 15/07/2021 at 21:02:43
15 Posted 15/07/2021 at 21:12:01
I was reading this article in the Sunderland Echo which says midfielder:
Anyway, he has been flagged as a real talent for quite a while so it will be interesting to follow his development.
16 Posted 15/07/2021 at 21:55:38
How many players move from the B team to the first team? Certainly far far more than is promoted from our junior teams to the first team I would venture to suggest.
For me thats the way forward but another impossible dream.
17 Posted 15/07/2021 at 22:20:47
Red Bull obviously looked at the youth development and transfer system and concluded it was crackers - therefore built a model to largely circumvent the traditional approach.
I have joked we could acquire Dundee and send Duncan up there to manage them with Branthwaite, Gordon and Simms in the side. We've done dafter things!
18 Posted 15/07/2021 at 22:41:38
However, perhaps with the new gaffer, he may become an asset down the line under the right coaching.
19 Posted 15/07/2021 at 22:50:06
The academy has not produced many players either to help the first team or boost the coffers over the last season or two so hopefully this is a move that pays dividends down the road. Seems like there is a good crop of 16- to 18-year-olds coming through now so perhaps he'll be part of that.
20 Posted 16/07/2021 at 07:25:31
Martinez actually suggested the B team concept they practice in his native Spain. I like that; our second string playing in the lower tier(s) but actually playing competitive football. It would also maybe focus the club(s) on putting more consideration into the type of player they bring into the youth system.
And adapt a system, playing and coaching culture that is repeated from youth through to first team. One where everyone is coached to the same principles so they play the same way and players can step up or down seamlessly.
The Arsenal one was a good example. Wenger installed his way throughout the club. Klopp has done the same. That's why his youngsters were able to play us off the park and embarrass us.
It goes back to the DoF model. Get it right and it becomes almost irrelevant who the coach is. They come and go. That night Klopp was nowhere to be seen and his first team were elsewhere. But the stand-ins knew the system and knew the game plan. They can step up far more readily because they understand what is required.
Maybe not the fault of our coaching staff given the managerial rotating door, but the relationship between our academy has often looked to me like left hand and right hand not talking to each other. It goes back to having a strategy. Not just a business one. A playing one. For that to be realised, you need stability and continuity.
It would take a mindset change, restructuring of the league / pyramid system and well as competition rules. But I'm for that anyway, I've vocally called for a streamlining of the game in this country from the bottom up to the professional game.
Feeder clubs or B Team, I'm a supporter of the concept. But I also think we need to think long and hard to change our thinking on the types of player we produce. We've been too single minded for too long. There is a place for big, fast and powerful, but you need to compliment that with technical ability and skill. We focus too much on the former and get undone by the latter.
I can talk about this all day. This is why I wanted Rangnick "the builder" with a young coach working under him.
21 Posted 16/07/2021 at 08:32:24
A link with another team sounds sensible though. We could send 3-5 promising youngsters there every season, they'd save money in wages and we'd play a friendly against them every year to boost their income. Seems a no-brainier???
22 Posted 16/07/2021 at 09:27:53
Daryl Dike. 21. Striker. Immense potential.
Yeah, I know, hes been a professional for less than a year, but this guy is worth the gamble. And not just because he scored 9 in 19 on loan for Barnsley in their Championship playoff run-in, or because he's dominating the CONCACAF Gold Cup.
First off, Dike is a massive unit. Picture an Adama Traore physique, only four inches taller and 60 pounds heavier. Tremendous gliding speed, amazingly powerful, dominant in the air, nice skillful touches on the ground, and a freakin RPG for a right foot.
Second, he has the attitude. Hes relentlessly aggressive, continually pushing the backline, running past and sometimes over defenders. And nobody knocks him off the ball. Ever.
So what doesnt Dike have? Experience. Theres nothing sophisticated about his game at this point. Just 48 top-level professional appearances, plus 5 as of tonight (3 goals) for the USA. Hell have to learn how to play Prem football. But to my eyes he certainly has the instincts, and hes a natural finisher.
For what its worth, hes also an extremely intelligent and well-spoken young man from an accomplished family. His sister, brother and cousin all played internationally for Nigeria. (His other two sisters are doctors.)
MLS was rumored to want $20 million from Barnsley to make his loan a permanent transfer. Barnsley couldnt afford it. I think we can. Yeah, its a roll of the dice. And yeah, Im prejudiced because I'm a Yank and I cant imagine Everton without a Yank in the squad, which we haven't had since Antonee Robinson was sold for pocket change.
But I think this is the guy, and I say get him. Please.
23 Posted 16/07/2021 at 10:08:31
Mike; always wondered why we don't look at the US market more. Schalke seem to have a hook into it. I watched McKennie a couple of seasons back. Very energetic and versatile player. And they have Matthew Hoppe now.
24 Posted 16/07/2021 at 10:15:59
Everton have beaten Ajax and QPR for highly rated 18-year-old AZ Alkmaar centre-back, Luuk Kluiters. The Dutch defender will sign a contract till 2023 with an option to 2024. The signing depends on obtaining a work permit
25 Posted 16/07/2021 at 10:44:27
This player would give us options, to compete with and or compliment DCL, and also give us that necessity to change it up from the bench. I can imagine the Goodison Park crowd being fired up when he came on to score the winning goal with 30 mins left. At 15-20m, considering his age too, it is well worth looking at.
26 Posted 16/07/2021 at 10:46:57
Where would you place Dike between Victor Anichebe and Romelu Lukaku, two of our strongest young centre forwards in recent years.
27 Posted 16/07/2021 at 11:32:23
28 Posted 16/07/2021 at 12:21:39
29 Posted 16/07/2021 at 12:36:19
30 Posted 16/07/2021 at 14:03:37
31 Posted 16/07/2021 at 14:57:14
Some are outstanding from the start and fade, others are standard performers and suddenly become outstanding and make the grade.
The premiership is a rat race with every team looking for the golden nugget, and it is not often they come up with one, but it is every young players dream to become a top professional and that is why premier league clubs sign young prospects who show early development that they may improve on.
32 Posted 16/07/2021 at 16:53:42
Now, there's no way I will compare him to the third best striker on the planet in Rom, but the smooth pace and raw power are not dissimilar.
Kean is actually the closest comparison.
33 Posted 16/07/2021 at 16:59:48
34 Posted 16/07/2021 at 21:52:43
But you could certainly see him doing well because he plays with a lot of drive and personality - and has outstanding physical attributes too.
35 Posted 16/07/2021 at 23:09:24
This type of thing happens all the time across all clubs.
36 Posted 17/07/2021 at 01:13:05
We are now in a position to sell Kean any buy a top quality right winger.
37 Posted 17/07/2021 at 01:46:34
I'd be very surprised to see Dike go to WBA... he's certain to have Prem ambitions. I'd see Wolves and Watford as more likely suitors. But I think your speculation of Moyes' interest may be the most accurate guess -- Antonio is 31 and has missed 30 games injured in the past two seasons, and Dike would ideally be a like-for-like replacement.
38 Posted 17/07/2021 at 05:58:33
39 Posted 17/07/2021 at 06:20:15
40 Posted 17/07/2021 at 07:58:03
41 Posted 17/07/2021 at 08:14:57
I think that's part of the reason Kean himself got so disillusioned. He couldn't get a run of games in the first team.
It might work better to buy someone who would complement DCL - ie a striker who can play wide or deep (or a winger who can also play up front). That sort of player might get more games.
42 Posted 17/07/2021 at 08:16:14
He lives in an area that is of mixed Newcastle-Sunderland allegiance and told me the majority of his Sunderland supporting mates are disappointed at this as the young player is "one to watch".
Well, at 16 years old, apart from the Rooney's of this world, you can never really tell. But, here's hoping we can watch him realise his potential with Everton.
43 Posted 17/07/2021 at 09:29:52
44 Posted 17/07/2021 at 09:41:50
At least by then we already have some decent youth players upfront. And will have money in the bank to consider some experienced player options.
Apart from right back and winger backup mistakes (just a bit too early for Gordon to be a consistent top league match winner), credit to Brands in that there looks like quality youth backups in the rest of the positions very recently.
45 Posted 17/07/2021 at 11:22:43
The sorts of players I think would work better are the likes of Cunha, the Brazilian now being linked to Leeds, and Sima, the Senegalese heavily linked to WHU. Because they can play anywhere across the front line they can play alongside Richarlison and DCL or replace them for injury or loss of form.
And indeed both could end up replacing Richarlison altogether in the first XI if this is to be his last season.
These players, and probably a good dozen or so like them, are very much gettable - so I don't share your pessimism.
46 Posted 17/07/2021 at 11:29:17
47 Posted 17/07/2021 at 11:44:40
Whilst most of us didn't expect wonderful things overnight the first four results gave us some false hope but the messy RS game seemed to knock us back.
Despite having some strength in depth (at least on paper) the swapping and changing did little to show that Everton could be a superior team to many of the others.
I suspect that Ancellotti was already getting frustrated towards the season's end but I don't think any of us expected him to quit so soon.
So, we find ourselves back in the familiar position of a new manager who has also been around the block and hoping things will change for the better.
Most of us tend to agree on where the team needs improving but will it happen. Let's hope so.
48 Posted 17/07/2021 at 12:34:13
49 Posted 17/07/2021 at 16:36:23
50 Posted 17/07/2021 at 22:58:39
Kean had only been on the Old Trafford pitch around 8 mins when he was blowing out of his backside and closing nobody down> At least when Niasse got game time, if nothing else, he made a nuisance of himself and closed players down.
Be interesting to see if Kean's attitude has changed; if so and he gets his head down, he could turn out to be a very good addition.
51 Posted 27/07/2021 at 12:38:02
Dare we hope this kid will make it and stay with Everton?
52 Posted 27/07/2021 at 12:42:03
Never made it at City, but that's not our fault.
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