'If not now, then when?'

It HAS to be today!

I couldn't care less about possession. The kids we're up against are technically good, quick and are working their socks off.

If we beat them it will be due to quality and experience. Which is why I can't understand Holgate's performance. He's the more experienced player, playing like he thinks he's up against no hopers. Trying to do too much. And being made to look foolish.

Its embarrassing!

We are being wasteful of our chances and we have to do much better in the second half.

For me, they have played the tidier football whereas we were very poor in possession and passing.

Nevertheless, we have carved out 3-4 excellent chances and we should be ahead.

Pickford looking composed and top save from Origi, even if it would have been ruled out for offside.

Digne and Coleman very quiet. Mina the pick of the defenders. Holgate very poor on the ball. Siggy's played some good passes, but he and Schneiderlin were getting the run around in midfield for most of the half. Sidibe poor control and passing. Richarlison good on his defensive work, poorer further up the park. Dom doing well. Walcott our standout player.

We have to start both winning and playing the ball through midfield more, and quicker.

We also HAVE to win this one today. It borders on shameful if we can't see off their teenagers.

Ancelotti had better have a plan to improve this squad.

I can't see the back of Schneiderlin soon enough. Lying on the floor when that goal went in. Sums him up.

Can Carlo sign an entire team before the window closes? None of this shit is worth salvaging, losers to a man tonight.

Bad starting selection from Carlo and poor application and effort from the players.

A new low in scouse footballing rivalry.

This club is well and truly cursed.

Still stand by my September call on Kean too. He's not a footballer and won't be with us next season.

Embarrassing.

Disgusted.

The commentators can fuck off too!

Their fucking kids, cheered on by the grinning fucking Klopp, giving our first team a lesson in football.

It grieves me deeply to say it, but the RS have got it totally and utterly right, and we are a million miles behind them. I hate everything about Klopp, but the man is brilliant.

Sack everyone at Everton, burn the stadium down and forget we ever existed.

Completely outclassed by a bunch of kids (proper promising kids by the way, not like the dross we bring through).

The whole club from top to bottom is an embarrassment and nothing we do this season now will erase the shame of what Everton fans have witnessed today, yet another embarrassment in a long long line.

I’d personally sell the entire lot of them because we don’t possess a single quality footballer in this whole squad, I’m not being told otherwise after watching that shit show today!!!

We are a laughing stock, the worst run club in England. Thank God rugby league starts soon, I’m done with football.

What is happening a Everton?????????????

Holgate was shocking.

Best get this season over and start again

They should be ashamed of themselves, and each and every player, and the coaching squad, should publicly apologise to all Everton supporters.

"To me the Klopp team means our players have absolutely no hiding place unless they at least run them ragged and get three of their better players on the pitch. Regardless of the result a failure to do even that will convince CA, if he doesn't already know it, that he needs a hypnotist at FF more than anything else, or a majorly expensive cull of course."

To me it was all very predictable. FF, our players and our boardroom are, and have been for many a year, completely rank.

Cannot help but think the Italians have given too many instructions to the players. They were taking an age to decide who to play the ball to.

Ferguson's 4-4-2 would have won this game. 3 at the back requires elite defenders and wing backs, which we certainly don't have.

Holgate and Mina are woeful footballers, Sidibe and Coleman are nothing, Digne is piss poor that last season his left foot clouded our judgment he’s a terrible player.

I hate the entire lot of our squad and I’ve no connection at all with any of them whatsoever unlike even the struggling teams of the 90’s.

The continual passing it back and put yourselves under pressure is a joke. Midfield team on £100k a piece and cant pass. Absolute disgrace.

The worst thing about that defeat is that it gives the RS double pleasure, because we were actually the fucking favourites to win.

The only tiny ray of sunshine in my life is that I don't live in Liverpool any more, so can avoid the worst of the aftermath.

The positives are endless.

Who cares any more? I'm not at all sure I do.

Right now it feels like the city is theirs for the next ten years minimum, football-wise. They're going to win everything every year, because the club is run brilliantly from top to bottom. Everything that's wrong about us, is right about them. Except their fans of course. Their fans are fuckwits.

I don’t live in Liverpool either yet I’m still surrounded by their god awful fans. They are everywhere. I hate them all and 2 of them are my best mates!

They just always, always get one over on us. I want to know what it feels like to be smug. just once!

How fucking dare they play like that wearing that shirt??

Legends are turning in graves tonight

Today was the depth of our abyss. A miserable, woeful day. The players should apologize. Some players should be ashamed to call themselves professional footballers.

Ancelotti has a job on his hands.

We can't hide, we were beaten by their fucking b team, a bunch of kids who showed more balls than us.

Schneiderlin should be binned asap. A signing is needed here asap

Sigurdsson should be binned asap. Play Davies ahead of him, play other youth players. Just don't play him.

Coleman poor. Digne poor. Sibide poor.

We need rid of half this team.

Yes, we have got a world class manager and we've got money. The record debt is nothing, except it might effect how much we can spend this window due to FFP. We're in much better hands than under Kenwright and Moyes. It's that regime that created the Anfield hoodoo.

We need someone who can give the club back its identity.

Can honestly say that I've never been so low about a performance and there have been many in my 60+ years.

We were always in a lose lose situation. Had we have won, it would have meant nothing as we would only have beaten “the kids” and they would have reminded us of that constantly. (Ffs, a changed Villa side battered them.) Now we will have this debacle thrown at us.

At half-time I never thought we would lose though. (Shows how much I know…)

We move on, but God it's difficult.

Can honestly say that I’ve never been so low about a performance and there have been many in my 60+ years.

We were always in a lose lose situation. Had we have won, it would have meant nothing as we would only have beaten “the kids” and they would have reminded us of that constantly. (ffs, a changed Villa side battered them). Now we will have this debacle thrown at us.

At half- time I never thought we would lose though. (Shows how much I know).

We move on, but God it’s difficult.

Ancelotti did not learn from the Man City game, put out the same type of team and tactics , with similar type subs. He did not seek advice or listen to Big Dunc.

I thought that the second half reflected a unfit and badly prepared Everton.

In a normal prem game we need 4 or 5 chances to score. Today underlines our lack of quality.

In most games this season we have witnessed.

The goalie glued to his line.
The futile passing around the back, the sideways and backwards from the midfield and the fluffed chances up front.
All of that adds up to trouble.

How is this shower going to get to 40 points.

Ancelotti has to bring players in. I would only keep Richarleson the rest of them aren't worth a carrot.

This was as complete a demonstration of superiority as is possible. They were fitter, hungrier, passed faster and more accurately. To a man better tactically and technically.

I can't see Carlo (or anyone else) sorting this out inside 10 years. There's a passion and a belief flowing through everything at Liverpool, there is just a soulless empty void at Everton.

Oh yeah guys, and thanks for throwing the towel in when you went a goal down!

We are about to post record losses, every penny of it wasted.

Carlo has a massive job on his hands, and I can't see us getting that many in the Transfer Window. I suppose Premiership survival is the main priority but more displays like this we will be back in the mire.

That’s all there is to it.

Cowards

Liverpool do shoite in the B Team League and who do they bring through - a team of kids that beat our front line players!

Fuck me, this is Everton all over, bollox to FFP, buy new team take the FFP fine, we need something as I as well as the rest of the blues are sick of getting our noses rubbed in it and now a defeat by their kids, please
Everton .

I cannot remember ever feeling so embarrassed about being an Everton fan.

Who is this Ancelloti feller? He's managed to hammer out any spirit in the side from Dunc's 4 games in charge in pretty short order.

Clueless tactics
Clueless substitutions
Clueless reorganisations

Happy New Fecking Year!!!

We simply do not have any good creative midfielders. I think Tom Davis is good and have potential, but thats it. The rest are just not good enough.

We need 2-3 better midfielders, then maybe we can look like a good team again. The only offensive threats com on long hoofballs to Calvert Lewin or on the flanks.

Tell DBB and Kenwright to fuck off once and for all. Act like a big club.

We have a top manager, now start weeding out the dogshit, plenty of it from the Walsh/Brands era. Put together a team of winners in two to three season time. Most of this lot are garbage and we ALL need to take our blue tinted specs off. We need a revolution at this club and it's going to take time and being patient.

We don't have an identity. The idea of identity is bullshit.

What are Everton? To most people that follow English football, we are a poor club, that never wins anything, never challenges, but is always there. That is it.

So saying Ancelotti isn't the man because he's a 'tactician' is bullshit. Klopp is a tactician. Guardiola is a tactician. The best are tacticians.

But you need the players, and the coaching staff, to put the tactics into practice.

Everton are were we are because we spent 450+ million on the likes Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Tosun, Keane and so many more of the same ilk. Whilst at the same time being coached by amateurs.

Thee is no logical reason for Liverpool's u23s to perform at such a level, yet our young players unable to make an impression at championship level.

Finch farm. There is our biggest problems. We need to change our coaching set up. but I am lacking faith

We're a pitiful joke, it's got to the point that after 40 years of support I've largely had the fight beaten out of me. I don't even get particularly animated during games anymore.

Following football is a curse, and supporting Everton has become a complete waste of time, money, energy and emotional well being.

And yes, Ancelotti should be commended on not playing 1 striker but he should continue with a basic 4-4-2 until he can move some of the shite out of the club. Wing backs isn't the way to do it!

We can stop hearing 'we have good players though now' and although he made his own errors you can all see what shite combined with bad luck Silva was left with. I said it was a disgrace then and stand by my words.

Project? ambition? Do me a favour. Ambition is obvious and needs no explanation.

As for the rest of them, they were all equally as poor, and it would be hard to justify any of them deserving of a first team place.

Let's be real: they beat our full team with a mixture of youth players and U23 players but, worst of all, they not only beat us but, in the 2nd half, for most of the half, they played the better football and were averaging 78% possession.

Ancelotti is not our saviour — just the final nail in our coffin. There is nothing worse than this for an Evertonian to get beat by a Liverpool team but, fuck me, by a Liverpool youth team!!!

Why do Everton players put it over the bar or put their laces through it when a side foot into the corner would result in a goal? I don’t care about seeing the net rip. I’d just like to see it ripple and celebrate a win.

Another false dawn to add to the collection.

We urgently need Usmanov and a clear out.

None of them are fit to wear the shirt.

Dunc figured out he was working for the most part with mediocrity and found a system that got better results, now Ancelotti's honeymoon is over, he to has to wise up!

Sick to death of hearing how good they are and that they can’t be arsed with a cup we would cherish only to be ducked over by their kids.

It’s just shoite being an Evertonian .

And Speedo Mick stopped his walk to see Siggi and Schneiderlin walk

Keane,couldnt make it in the Welsh League on what he has shown me.

Never mind the 1st Div of the championship.His balance, understanding, brain just aint there.

Who ever is scouting,saying this player is something special lets pay £25 million want certifying.

Danny Ings, watch him.
Barnes was on fire for Burnley.
You could pick up three better than we got for our £75 million in the EFL.

Today back to the Norwich display, Sheffield Utd.
Dont finish and ya in trouble.Should have buried them 3-0 by half time.

We are going to need Jan to May to clear out the crap.
Ancelotti is just a good coach manager miricles we cant expect,well one keep us up will do.

Brands,he should go he hasnt a clue.

I could pick a player better than he could.
Picked up Stuart Rimmer from us for Chester £10,000.Earl Barrett £8000from Man City, Graham Abel Maccelesfied,all for Chester in mid 80's.

Two went for £1 million,the other valued at £400k.

For god sake its a mess with what we spent, what we got.

We better win all our home games,a couple away.
Get 42 points asap then play the youngsters.

Role on May.

Both probably.

We might as well give up on ever winning there. Ever.

Pathetic.

Good luck Carlo.

I said the other day that Carlo would learn a lot from the City game and todays game thinking Liverpool would rest 1 or 2 first teamers not thinking he would rest the lot and play the kids, one was just 16. I am sure he along with us is totally embarrassed a the total ineptness of his players. What impact it will have on the rest of the season I don't know, but thankfully this game happened just as the transfer window is open. I said the other day I doubt more than 1 or 2 of these players will still be in the first team in 12 months. Carlo welcome to Everton and you will need all your expertise to turn this titanic around. But you are our only hope, for those Blues who live far away from the City how lucky are you, because those of us who live in this City will get unmerciful stick from our Red supporting friends and family

I’m genuinely thinking of telling him not to bother!! We’ve got tickets for Next Saturday a nice 9 hour round trip to watch those heartless frauds!

Ashamed !!

Ancelotti and Brands need to act very quickly. No more “getting to know players”. We need 3-4 players MINIMUM JUST to shore us up to the end of the year!

Ideally 2 in the centre of the park (1 ‘gana’ and 1 ‘gomes’), and one at the back with a left foot. I’d also like to see Carlo be brave and try to bring some of our OWN kids in.

Playing Schniederlin/Delph (or even Sigurdsson on this form) over Davies and Walcott over Gordon, serves no purpose whatsoever. None. Hopefully the last few games have been their final auditions.

We also need to be able to play 4-3-3. The shite didn’t have better players today, they simply had a better system. Copy it FFS.

Massive worry is the work needed in summer. Even if Gbamin and Gomes come back, and we sort a midfield, we need competition in the GK, LB, RB areas, as well as new quality up top.

Scary times. Roll the dice or settle for mediocrity.

I cringed at:.

Holgate showing how under pressure he simply can't pass a ball.

Coleman displaying his usual lack of composure as under no pressure chucked a throw in straight to a red shirt.

Richarlison and his "not at the races" routine clumsily losing possession on the edge of the box instead of playing Digne in on the overlap.

Add in non-entities like Snides and Siggi and it's no surprise reserves are beating us.

The combination of footballing smarts, athleticism and technique just doesn't exist at this club hence we collapse in any mildly difficult circumstance yet some indulge that ludicrous delusion we have good players that just need a bit of direction - mindless

You also mentioned the debt like we're going to become the next Leeds United. No, it's not going to make any difference to building the stadium. We do have a world class, who's been here, all of 5 minutes. Stop wanting us to be the plucky little Everton that overachieved but never had a chance against the big boys.

The double psychology of telling DCL he is shoite so that he plays well fell flat on its face, he had two good games, he is still shoite as is most of our first team.

That's who to blame !

However I am an Evertonian through and through. I hate everything red as much as anybody, but I did note that the Anti Ancelotti brigade have already begun. Personally I think that is ridiculous and far too soon. He would have to be a Magician to instantly turn this team around. Whether he made poor substitutions or not is immaterial. He NOW knows just what he has inheritted and my ACCEPTANCE of the present mediocrity hopefully is only temporary.

From today's reports we are in the hole finacially as well as not having enough good players. Dreadful to have such low expectations, but all I want him to do this season is to avoid relegation and have something to look forward to for 2020 -2021.I know that has been the case for many years but Ancelotti deserves at least a decent try to turn things around.

The most depressing however was that when they scored we simply give up. I cant remember us giving up in a derby at 1-0 and this was against kids

Carlo will already have known the players that need replacing but this will only have firmed up his transfer plans for the summer.

We desperately need Gomes back and better central midfielders to come in during the window because no-one else in midfield seems to be able to keep hold of possession and play positive forward passes.

John@180 - surely the point he’s making is valid. He needs to get them to understand what he wants. It doesn’t happen over night, it takes time, and some new players to help do it.

Klopp’s system won today. They all know how to play it. It makes average players look great. Carlo will do that for us, but we need to give him time (and investment!) to do it.

No manager in the world could undo the shite that Walsh, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva have inflicted on our club over night.

That, hopefully will begin to be redressed in the top level meeting Ancelotti is having this week to discuss transfers.

Bear in mind - this man has beaten the RS home and away and drawn with them at Anfield this season when he managed Napoli - so it's not the manager that is at fault.

Saturday's encounter against Brighton becomes yet another pressure game because the supporters have been kicked in the proverbials today and it'll take quite some time for those wounds to heal.

Any trust or goodwill that was built up between derby encounters with the fans and players has been tossed aside by the players. Make no mistake, this crop of players aren't the backs to the wall, fight until you drop types, they are overpaid, over-rated lightweights.

Six or seven wins will probably be enough to see the club ok for another season in the top-flight, but will these serial bottlers be able to provide that number of victories from the remaining seventeen matches? Trips to Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and home games with today's opponents, Leicester and Man United will likely result in losses. Which means that those six or seven wins will have to come from a dozen games of which five are away from Goodison.

Today is an extremely low point in the long history of low points, but if the club isn't careful this could turn out to be the season from hell - if this group of players are allowed to do what they want when they want and to continually show utter disrespect to the club and its supporters. This is not a time for meaningless sound-bites, there is no place for pretty football, this is a time to get those points on the board asap because if this bunch go into the last few matches requiring points to stay up - they'll fail.

'1878- 2020, that was the most humiliating defeat and performance since we were formed...the darkest day in the club’s history.'

That's exactly how I feel, Dave.

I really feel for all city-based Blues tonight. Or maybe, in 'their' eyes, we are so far behind them, so much beyond a parody and a joke now, that there is no longer any sport in mocking us anymore. Rather, they can be even more condescending by...pitying us.

Because today was pitiful. I have never, ever, felt as bad about an Everton defeat as I do right now.

Yes we have won the Under 23 league for the past couple of season but where are these kids. Only Anthony Gordon from this group has had any minutes on the pitch.

Yeah, he's a billionaire, but he has made a lot of crap footballers and bullshitters very rich.

If you want to see how it can be done, look at Wolves.

Yeah, today's performance was bad and showed how fragile the team's mindset/attitude is even Koeman identified this early doors when he is in charge.

It looked that the team mentally collapsed when those early chances didn't go in.Even if they had gone in the team's mindset would then have planted seeds of doubt as to whether a 2 or 3 goal was going to be enough.

Daft as it sounds being on live telly didn't help as we always seem to be utterly white on live telly.

We have a manager who can attract top drawer players and the likes of Schenerdelin etc who are essentially too slow will be shipped out.

Ever and onward - cmoub.

Who would consider paying money for these players ?

Can some Chinese or US teams buy Walcott, Siggurson ?

Can a Turkish team buy Tosun?

Who’d buy Delph, Niasse, Keane, Bernard, Martina, ?

Don’t forget Bolasie and Sandro!

We’d be lucky to get any team to take them even if they were free transfers!

£100m losses posted today too plus a stadium to pay for ! I don’t think anyone has enough money to sort this out quickly!

Already, I'm getting bludgeoned by my Red buddies, here in SA... 😕

C'mon, you Blues... Get a wake up!

Already, I'm getting bludgeoned by my Red buddies, here in SA... 😕

C'mon, you Blues... Get a wake up!

The transfer decisions made since Moyes left have cost the club, I think 20% of the signings have been worthwhile, whilst blowing £450+ million in the process.

The only way to escape is more spending to increase the quality and mentality.

And record losses plus losing to Liverpool 3rds on the same day. I think that this is the lowest point of the season and I hope this is rock bottom.

When Liverpool lost the title with the Gerard slip that summer they recruited the worlds top sports psychologist and since then have not looked back.

Moshiri and the Board take note.

Despite needing a replacement for Lukaku for so many transfer windows it just hasn't happened, there's something very wrong at the club, as it incapable of recognizing this fatal flaw for so long, totally unforgivable. We have a real problem finding goalscorer's despite spending an absolute fortune. Of course there are other issues in midfield.

Ancelotti has to be given time to see if he can put them right. I just hope he doesn't get sucked into the disastrous defeatism that is destroying the club, he will need to be a genius to put us back at the top but If someone with his pedigree can't build a decent team I doubt that anyone else can either.

The whole team should be sacked for dereliction of duty and care on the pitch. Based on this showing these frauds don’t give a damm, about Everton off the pitch.

The gulf in class and mindset his huge, and the work ethic and focus by the RS kids today, puts Everton’s coaching to shame and into question.

I’ve never felt so low after a Derby defeat, and the manner of defeat.

Yes piss poor finishing but who’s instilled the notion of playing and wasting 65% of our possession doing suicide pass’sin and outside the box.

Pickford kicking again the cause of their goal, which was a cracker, but we played like we’d lost the war at half time, as we didn’t show in the second half.

Time for Harry Catterick and kick some arses out the club. Surely Carlo, has seen his own vision of hell today, and this i# gonna be his biggest job ever.

I’m seriously considering not bothering any more, as the angst and unhappiness Everton causes, is now a lifetime burden.

I’ll probably feel better in the week, but gutted and another season over with downing of the Christmas decorations.

Brighton, they’ll piss on us if we play like today.

Perhaps the cliche positive is, it can’t get worse, alas with EFC, they set world records in causing despair,

Le Vie Cest La Vie.

We’ll go on a decent run in the league now knowing us. With any real pressure to actually win anything being off we’ll do enough to fall “just short” of the Europa League places and look ahead to good old next season.

Apt they highlighted mental health today. It won’t aid anyone’s to dwell on these cowards for too long.

Maybe a dose of Championship football could see them surface from this demise and turn a corner – but the way they're playing, they wouldn't survive in the Championship.

Hopefully a watershed moment for the players involved in this loss and the beginning of the end of their time at the club.

I live in hope that this is the case.

With a decent striker we'd have been well ahead by half time but we allowed those kids to grow into the game.

I've just had to endure a load of gloating RS on the bus and train home. We're a laughing stock.

At least Ancelotti now knows the scale of the task ahead of him.

A gutless, spineless, pathetic display.

The only positive I can see is that Carlo now knows that Schniederlin, Siggy and Walcott should never play for Everton again.

You'd be better off playing three u23's, three folk from the crowd, or starting with eight men rather than any if them.

Seamus great servant but a pale shadow of the player he was. Too quite, doesn't dig his own players or the ref at all. We need a midfielder as captain, who can be right in everyone's faces the whole game.

Digne, clearly carrying an injury and until that clears up it should be Baines starting.

Sidibe, Mina, Holgate, Richie, DCL, Davies possibly worth persevering with, Holgate has to play on the right hand side of any defence.

Kean will never come good, Bernard won't get any better and Delph is an expensive downgrade on Mccarthy.

And for Carlo, no more passing the ball around at the back for it and we certainly don't have the midfield prepared to work hard and move into the space to collect a pass from a defender.

I've thought about this puke-inducing performance the last few hours and have come to a conclusion.

We have three players that continually under-perform. They have continually been given time and time again to redeem themselves. They continually fail at that opportunity, and miraculously are given yet another chance to redeem themselves. It's a revolving theme that is dragging this Club down.

Morgan Schneiderlin, Gilfy Sigurddson, and Theo Walcott simply must not play moving forward. They are too slow, or too old, or too chicken-with-head-cutoff, or pick your criticism.

Those three are not the future of this Club, and we need to move on and sell them off, at a loss if necessary, along with all the other dead weight still on the payroll.

Surely Carlo realizes it's time to turn the page?

If he starts any of those three again, barring excuse for injury in the squad, he's blind.

That's my litmus test for Carlo presently.

I'm not angry anymore, just apathetic. Fire sale in the summer and a complete rebuild from the ground up.

It’s an outrage!

When we do get a decent player like Lukaku or Idrissa, we sell them on for a poor price, even with plenty of contract time left.

Having assembled this shower, we don’t get them fit or organised or motivated. I think if Ancelotti can’t sort the club out over the next few years, who can?

From everything I've experienced on TW over my 14/15 years, and everything I've read and tried to glean, Scousers are an independent, free-thinking, can't-pull-the-wool-over-the-eyes people. My Bostonian roots, for my money, make me a very close cousin.

If any of you are ever subjected to that level of shit-show again, please just go straight toxic for me. And I mean like vicious toxicity with malice.

You're 100% correct. We should have been three goals up minimally.

But we didn't take our chances, and we paid the price.

The galling thing isn't the missed opportunities. It's the complete lack of effort and passion after those misses in the first 20 to 25 minutes, in a derby!

It's entirely unacceptable, and for me, fans should be absolutely furious and outraged.

It's Everton FFS. We're not winning every game. But my God, can we demand some degree of passion and effort?

They couldn't even be bothered today, against Liverpool, in a derby!

That's a mortal, mortal Blue sin.

Despite the embarrassment of today, I do think that Ancelotti will bring in a quality CB and midfielder this window.

Would you have started Morgan and Gylfi in midfield?

Carlo should avoid most of the blame, but not all of it!

Who the hell starts an aging Icelandic fella past his prime, and a guy who slows us down to a crawl, both slow as fuck, against a team that play blitzkrieg, heavy-metal football starting a bunch of young kids who can run like the wind???

Kinda stupid.

You know who they are.

Agree 100% mate. Desperately trying to console myself and failing miserably:(

Everton did not seem to have any shape or plan, especially in the second half when they simply gave up.

You made it four days. Well played man! You have more gumption and fortitude than I do!

Tactically it's the biggest fuck up In Evertons history.

In a FA Cup at Anfield, against a inexperienced team it should have been long balls forward with Everton forward players pressurising the Liverpool defenders, with Everton supporting runners from midfield. The game in those last 15 minutes should have been confined to the final third at the Kop end.

Well managed from top to bottom! All those players knew the system and just slotted in!

We have no pattern of play, no system, no formation, no type of player.

In fact today the tactic was defend really deep, Mina to Holgate, to Mina to Pickford to smash up the field!

Got to let this go now for my mental health !!!!!

I've been on ToffeeWeb for four years, and the pattern is clear: When we put on a shit-show (which is quite frequent), the whole fucking club is shite and needs a complete clear-out. When we put together a few decent performances (which is quite rare), we're suddenly on our way to the promised land with a few judicious signings and letting go of the so-called 'dead wood'.

Come the next phase of decent performances, the future will be all fucking bright again, according to ToffeeWeb anyway. The reality is we have what we have, and the players need to be organised far more frequently than they have been (otherwise we wouldn't keep sacking managers).

Those who are saying "That's it, I'm done" will be back for more as soon as there are some decent results. Being an Evertonian is not a choice, unfortunately.

It hurts me more what has happened in the bigger picture. The fact fans turn on each other, the fact the club has been unstabalised for 4 years when during worse times behind the scenes its been more stable, the fact we turn on managers and talk tactics, the fact we convince ourselves we know better than the manager and we have good players if they just read ToffeeWeb and twitter.

The worst thing of all though is the expectation. Its more an hope and a prayer that a worse squad each year will do better.

That sunk in for me ages ago and I don't feel a fraction as bad as some of the posts I have read.
I wish you all nothing but the best but don't expect anything spectacular from this club for a long time and you'll be ok.

7nor 8 wont play for him after May.

But we need to win most of our home games now,we need 17,18 points.Its horrible thinking like this.

But its the sad reality of 4 years of horrendous business in players,managers.

It is about survival based on this.Ya as goid as your last game,god help us.
Working tomoz lads.

If there is a positive from today it’s that
It gives Carlo the perfect platform to start the discard. And there will be many.

If your brief was to build a Top 4/6 side from scratch, which of these would you go out and sign? - Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Mina, Keane, Coleman, Walcott, Bernard, Delph, Tosun, Iwobi or Kean. I’ve left our good young uns out of the question.

There were some saying we should have beaten Leicester because we have a stronger squad/better players, but I just don’t see it. Some of our individuals could do fine in a good side but as a collective we don’t have the quality.

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br>There is no doubt that Ancellotti is better than Silva and I dare say that both of them are better than Big Dunc. We are still a team without a midfield. Who’s fault is that?

In the last transfer window we began to correct that problem by signing Gomes and Gbamin who would have been the first names on the team sheet every week. Without an engine there isn’t a team in the world that can look good or a coach that can overcome that deficiency.

We do have good players some are better than others but all are at least worthy of you great supporters not wanting them to fail.

I’m bummed by the result myself, what was it 1-0. A wonder goal beat us. Get a grip it happens.

We have been like this since Moyes left. There is something wrong with our club and I wish some insider would give us a clue what it is.

That is how predictable we are with THEM (S and S) in the tea.

For all his faults Tom would have run his Bollox off for this team.

I do not belief the hiring of Ancelotti will solve Everton's playing problems, they have too many players on long lucrative contracts who would take some shifting to move on somewhere else. Duncan was doing a great job being intolerant to players who want an easy life at the club. I don't believe Ancelotti is that type of person. But he won't get the same transfer budget previous managers received. So, it is going to be gruesome until the season ends. And I doubt Everton will be much better next season.

Have to keep banging this drum about the urgency of drastic transfer biz in january bar Digne, who now seems to be suffering the Everton curse, none of these players would get a gig at a "competing" club.

Carlo is in for a rude awakening if he isn't tuned in the volatility here is off the scale. He may be "with the fishes" before the words "compensation package" reach his ears.

Moving on. Firstly, I have consistently said for the last 2-3 years that the players aren’t good enough and that I believe the club has a structural problem by having a DOF position plus coach, instead of a single manager and no DOF.

Secondly, I haven’t jumped on the we are great bandwagon when we’ve had the odd decent result. I’m not generally one for hyperbole, you’d know that if you had read my posts over the past 15 years or so since I’ve been on this site. Don’t insinuate I do that when I never have.

Thirdly, and most importantly, are you still of the view we have a decent squad of players? I ask again as that’s the main point I made in the post you replied to and you have t answered.

Sick and tired of it, like i'm sure we all are!

Utlimately that was our notional first team out there, injuries aside and it's not good enough.

What happened to Iwobi anyway ?

It's all very well people saying he (insert one of many names here) should never play for us again, and should be binned.

While I agree with the sentiment and the feelings, these guys are on enormous contracts and know that it is highly unlikely that anyone will realistically want to take them off our hands.

So, basically we are stuck with them, even loans would be hard to arrange for some of them, yet surely the Club can't afford to have these Gravy Train Passengers on the books and just ignore them.

The future's grim, the future's Blue!

It’s impossible to defend the players, but I live in hope at how poor some of our players looked in the 80’s before Gray and Reid added some much needed backbone into that squad, which is the only solace I can take unless I’m prepared to fuck Everton off, which is not something I’m prepared to do, even though they don’t deserve us.

I always look at life, and think nothing ever changes until a person wants to, and finds the will to change, and only when this happens will they find themselves on the road to recovery.

It feels like rock bottom because it’s Liverpool, but it was rock bottom the other week against Norwich, and it will be rock bottom again sometime in the near future, unless the club make some big changes from recruitment and to personnel, especially in our midfield which was that poor that I can’t find a word to describe them.

It wasnt all down to how bad we are but also condidering refs, revenue, wage bills and general size difference between the 2 clubs.

The question to the group title might be wrong but it wont be far off. 3 years strong already.

Or did he? Is the Director of football route not intentional to wheeling and dealing? Buying small selling it bigger? I believe if FFP wasnt there, there would be no Moshiri with an open cheque book advantage coming to us.

Its a valid excuse now but only because he trusted men that haven't played football to do deals for managers he brought in.

There is no way the likes of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Davies, Delph, Iwobi, Bernard have the drive, the energy, the pace. the ball control, the heart to dominate any game. No matter how you play them in a 4231, 343, 433, 442 they will be outplayed, outfought, by any other Premiership team. We are seriously missing Gomes big big time and we are yet to find out if Gbamin is like Gomes or another disappointment like those above. I would have thought Ferguson and Ancelotti would know that you cant build through the midfield ???

The back 4 under Ferguson existed by ensuring the ball was kept as far away as possible from our box, hoof, get rid of, anything than play it around. Unfortunately it looks as though Ancelotti is asking them to build from the back - well Carlo they can't is the simple answer. They are too slow, they don't find space, their passing is woeful and our non-existent midfield doesn't show for the ball. So we pass sideways, sideways, then sideways then give it back to Pickford who kicks it out of play. I would have thought that Ferguson or Ancelotti would have known this ???

Upfront Kean has proved to be the big flop I personally feel he will ultimately be known as, until he returns to Italy with a £20m loss to us. He shows no sign of playing joined up football, no sign of being clinical in the box, no sign of a cool head in the box, no signs of his body being shaped right to pounce, and no sign of demonstrating that he will terrorise the opponents with his physique or pace. I would have thought Ferguson and Ancelotti could see this in training already ???

So for this season, unless we buy 2-3 fully experienced, fully fit, filled with pace, filled with aggressiveness defender, midfielder and goal scorer then we will struggle big time.

For the future, we need to start completely afresh, our whole club set up is useless, just look at teams around us bringing 1-2 players through a year and us NONE. Our club football is slow ponderous, not at all skill full so - get rid of Academy Coaches, get rid of Unsworth, and let Brands completely start afresh with a new philosophy, new coaches.

However, having this evening monitored closely the comments on the Live Forum and having read Michael Kenrick's match report, even accepting the hearsay element of these two sources, I am under no illusions as to just how poor this performance appeared to be for pretty much the full duration of the match.

It has been patently obvious to me for several seasons now that the ability of the current playing squad falls well below that required by a club of Everton's stature with its singularly loyal fan base. It is incontrovertible that hundreds of millions have been squandered on a pretty abysmal player recruitment policy over the last four years.

The fact that there has to be a wholesale clear out of these under performing and grossly overpaid players is not in dispute. However, just how this is going to be achievable mystifies me completely. As so many of the culprits are at the wrong end of the age scale and on overly long contracts at exorbitant salaries, it is extremely difficult to see how other clubs would be prepared to take on these onerous liabilities.

This situation must never be allowed to reoccur in the future. Not only must there be a clear out of players but the executive and senior management must also be fully scrutinised and culled as necessary. Given the grandiose titles that those who are the culprits masquerade under and the evidence of their lack of positive contribution, this drastic pruning should take place as a matter of urgency. Unproductive overheads invariably walk in on two legs and as a club we cannot afford this drain of scarce resources

Whilst I am somewhat surprised over the choice of Carlo Ancelotti as manager, I feel that, notwithstanding his extremely attractive contract, he has very much picked up the proverbial poisoned chalice. I just hope very much that he is given the financial resources immediately to sign some decent, sensibly aged players, who will give their all to the club. Also I would want him to be able to choose his own players and not be hindered by the latest occupant of the ludicrous position of director of football. The current and previous occupants of the role have hardly covered themselves in glory and that's putting it mildly. It will only when Ancelotti has signed his own players and had a reasonable time at the helm that his performance can be fairly assessed.

The immediate priority now must be to avoid relegation because if that was to happen, then one can be pretty sure that Moshiri would be unlikely to stay and would almost certainly want his loans repaying without much delay. I dread to think of what might happen in that event.

Ancelloti at least now knows the task ahead. We badly need a proper midfield. Players with 100 commitment, effort and and a never say die attitude as well as the necessary skill.

We should stop signing wingers until we’ve sorted out CM. A pairing of Schneidelin and Sigurdsson in CM reminds me of the dark Neville/Heitinga days. Simply not going to get far with those two there. Unfortunately they are two of our top earners so will be very hard to shift.

And face the facts.
1. We were better than Liverpool in the first half and should have been leading with at least 2 goals.
2. We do not have enough players to play both the league and the cup right now. With all the injuries there are big wholes in the midfield.
3. It was irritating to lose to this not so impressive Liverpool side, but the league is far more important than the cup.
4. if Siggy, Schniderlin, Walcott etc never play, how can we then get any money to sell them?
5. We looked tired in the 2nd half, but that is not so strange since we have not rested many players in this tuff christmas period. This is because we don't have a good enough squad.

I was very disappointed in Ancelotti today. Very poor team selection (which is anything that involves Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson) and even worse substitutions. And as for "tactics" I don't think fucking about in your own penalty area until someone (fortunately) panics and hoofs the ball out of play really counts.

I still thought that Walcott was probably our best player today. He was actually quite good in the first half.

On the other hand, their goal was the usual fluke that they score against us, it certainly was not deliberate. Not even David Beckham at his best could have shot from the corner of the penalty area to hit the underside of the bar after passing the goalkeeper's hand by about 2 inches.

Plus Delph another player unlikely to complete half a season. Schniederlin and Sigurdsson need rotating, but bad buys by Brands have left us well short in that department.

It leaves a huge question mark over Brands, most of his buys have been garbage so far. He must be feeling pretty vulnerable tonight.

The manager's job is to get the best out of the players at his disposal, whilst also identifying needed new signings for improvement. Ancelotti has only just got here, to a club apparently beset by mental fragility. All we can do is keep on supporting, in the hope and expectation that he'll sort it out. That's why he's here, after the sequence of middling managers.

I've been supporting Everton since I was 7, which is 58 years. I'm hardened to both patience and disappointment. Logically, it makes sense for me to carry on supporting both the manager and players, because there is no other rational option.

Everton have made some very bad decisions. All we can do is hope the decisions improve. The newest manager at least seems to be a sign of that, but only time will tell.

Secondly he should have gone long, throw the ball up to DCL and Richarlison, supported by Sigurdsson or Davies joining in as a high No 10. It was absolutely pointless playing out from the back, they aren't capable of doing it and our midfield numbers were light to show for the ball. It was no use Ancelotti going to 3 forwards and trying to build from the back. It was never going to work with the players we had.

I hoped for more from Ancelotti today, he probably couldn't believe what he was seeing himself, but he knows now what a tough job he has in hand, with ZERO quality in midfield.

Too right it was!

McCarthy, Barkley, Barry, Lennon and Deulofeu all walk into that midfield we have today.

Lennon was miles the player that Walcott was and Deulofeu even in his 20 minute cameos was a better player than any of the shite we see now.

Lukaku has never been even been close to being replaced, DCL tries and he has improved don’t get me wrong here but he ain’t a patch on the goal scoring exploits that Lukaku produced.

For madcap Pickford just see Tim Howard in his final year, ballistic Bob.

The defence, Mina and Mori much the same, both turn like the QE2 (at least Mori actually scored a few bloody headers from corners though).

Baines over Digne every time, Digne has been shown up this season as the “not good enough for Barca” reject he was, last season was clearly a false dawn.

This current Everton squad is a bag of used shite.

I said when everyone was clamouring for Silva to be sacked, don’t let these wasters of players pull the wool over anyone’s eyes, the buck stops with these fuckers that embarrassingly pull on the shirt every week!

Hot and Cold.

The Shite are everything we're not. It's fucking tragic. It's going to be a long climb back, and I don't even know where we start. A complete overhaul of our entire structure probably.

I've said it a few times, we are not fit or strong enough but more worryingly we are mentally weak.

I think Ferguson would have had them more fired up and in sync by keeping it simpler.

This needs to be used as motivation, getting beat and shown up by a 3rd string team of u23s.

It's not time to blame individuals, it's time to work harder as a team.

He oversaw Mina, Iwobi, Delph, Gbamin...

Watching eleven players run around every single week and put a shift in, look really energetic and fit, have players that can actually do the basics with a football of passing and moving and shooting straight?

More importantly, watching a team that actually look like they bloody well want to wear the shirt and care about the club and the fans?

I’m sick of seeing such a soulless boring bland bunch of players at Everton, no big characters no leaders of men, not one skilful player, a genuine match winner (and no I don’t class Richarlison as one, nowhere near one I’m sorry if that offends people)

I’m talking about players I’ve seen in an Everton shirt like Andrei Kanchelskis or Wayne Rooney at 17, genuine top drawer footballers that scared opponents witless.

Everton are so slow it’s like watching real life in slow motion and they have slowly but surely sucked all the life and belief out of the suffering supporters.

Brands bounces around like Simon Cowell and hes bought a load of shite. Anyone who has read my posts knows i dont care much for manager idolisation but i did feel for Silva with that squad he started the season with.

Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

money oriented, grasping, greedy, avaricious, money-grabbing.

That just about sums up perfectly the 1st team playing squad at Everton Football Club Ltd.

Hopefully they ALL have it in their contracts that they will be free agents if the club get relegated because that is the only way this lot are going. The darkest day in the History of Everton.

The worst I have seen 11 supposedly professional footballers ever play.

Seriously tempted not to renew season ticket. The renewal forms will be posted out soon with an early bird end date or to guarantee your seat date by 31/01/20 most probably.

I keep seeing 'we have good players' but Wolves wouldn't buy from us. Nor Leicester and if West Ham back Moyes fairly he will buy better players than Brands.

And Moyes is a dick.

Also, if the youngsters of Liverpool are good enough to play at this level our youngsters must also be that good since we are doing better than them in Premier League 2.

Why do we not get to see these youngsters? I mean now when we have squadproblems.

Even hope for a better future looks light years away, just like our football compared to our neighbours.

The AGM, and the losses and the yearly failure on the pitch, paint the barren reality of Everton Football Club, in football and accountable business.

Well there you are Carlo. You have seen it through our eyes. It's not good and it's broken. Please remove and replace as quickly as possible. Those senior players are not to be trusted again.

I’d seriously find something else to spend my good money on.

I can write you Everton’s season out every year and next season no matter who we sign or sell it will be the same mental fragility that holds us back from ever achieving anything in the biggest games that mean most to the fans.

Sure, we will start playing well again in Spring like we do every season when the pressure is off and other teams have basically switched off themselves so allow us to play, we do it every year, lull people into a false sense of hope for the following season but every summer is the same, a woeful preseason schedule, players never fit, crocked for months and mental weaklings all over the pitch.

Don’t worry Jay, you wouldn’t be the only one that’s sane and tells the club that the fans are no longer satisfied with the offerings.

However sensible posts such as Mike(292) and Kevin (300) are far more realistic and to the point than the always cynical and permanently depressed one liners from George (297). Do you ever have any suggestions to help the team improve ? We all hate losing just as much as you do !!On a positive note I must say I have never heard you complain about the ball boys. Could they be next ?

DCL poor, Richarlison very poor, Kean came on and it’s quite possible that I saw more of him when he was either sitting on the bench or warming up, but our midfield never gave us any real control of the game, at any period during the whole 90 minutes.

Before the laughter or stupid replies think about it. He'd be a better game changer than we currently have.

It's not just this game but our Brazilians have gone right off. Rich has forgotten how to beat a defender and Bernard plays like his shoe size.

I don't want to criticise individuals but I noticed Schnides back in midfield. He and Siggy lined up against our own centre backs. Really poor, Delph did little when he came on.

Now for all those that criticise Davies, honestly could he have been worse on a bad day? If nothing else he'd have scrapped and harried all game for the ball. Did anyone on the pitch, Baines and Niasse would have too.

Because to be honest at no point did I ever believe that signing the following for the kind of money we paid was a good idea:

Sigurdsson
Bolasie
Schneiderlin
Keane
Rooney
Iwobi
Walcott
Richarlison

The majority of the others were unknown quantities to me and therefore I didn’t really have on opinion.

I was happy that we signed :

Kean
Mina
Digne
Gomes

I will say that I had it wrong about Richarlison, he was worth that investment.

But the rest is simply just shocking.

Anybody with half a clue on the game who’s watch iwobi for arsenal, they know they simply know that he’s not that good. I don’t care what his stats are, or his value for his age according to the market compared to the amount of games he’s started. All of that is nonsense.

Just look with your eyes. We don’t need computers, or systems. The whole world watched Gylfi at Tottenham and seen him fail. They watched him at Swansea producing flashes of brilliance but not enough consistency.

We watched Keane in a well drilled Burnley defence do the simple things correctly, but then really struggle against top class opposition.

We watched Iwobi with very little end product season in season out.

We watched Walcott suffer a series of bad injuries and flatter to deceive for pretty much his entire career.

We watched Rooney struggling in a failing Man Utd squad, clearly passed his best.

We watched Bolaie produce flicks, tricks and showboats every now and then but fail to hit the back of the net or assist with any regularity.

Absolutely clueless transfer dealings.

People say Moyes and his team were shrewd. Their policy when you break it down was just full of sense and thought.

Cahill - goalscoring midfielder, with a record of producing big moments in important games. Internationally capped andscoring goals at that level.

Lescott - consistent and classy performer. Player of the year and despite a bad injury, racked up an impressive number of games.

Baines - well proven at premier league level when signed. Larger fee but worth the investment. Was coveted by many clubs.

Arteta - had lost his way at Sociedad. Previously a Barcelona product with a very successful stint at Rangers behind him.

Pienaar - had lost his way at Dortmund. Previously an Ajax product with much experience at European and international level.

You can go on. The only bolt from the blue was Coleman. And you can argue that for Coleman there was also a Patricio Pascucci, Guillaume Plessis, Magaye Gueye etc etc.

You catch my drift.

Our team today consisted of 9 full international players. Theirs probably contained 3. We showed no fight or desire to win and when we did have chances we couldn't convert.

Their winner was a quality strike, we have 1 player who can hit a ball like that but he was subbed off as he is £45m worth of shite.

I think that now beats the Glenn Keeley derby as my all time worse derby result and the most dissapointing performance I have ever seen and I have seen some shite over the years.

Without doubt Ancelotti has taken on his biggest managerial challenge. I will be amazed if he hangs around longer than Silva.

Unless they play for Spain France Belgium Croatia Germany Brazil Argentina its hardly worth including the word international into a players value.

We'd be lucky to lure China's best player and our internationals are B internationals anyway. Other than Pickford who is dodgy.

I said to my older lad, who I could tell was dreading going the game, that I wanted a replay, and his reply told me everything. “I don’t even want them bastards at our ground” he said, but I know how desperate he must be to see us win at Anfield, and it’s at times like this, that I’m genuinely sorry I got him into loving Everton so much.

He’s like me, he will be there next week, but he’s better than me because he’s been following Everton for nearly twenty years, (since he was 4) and has seen us win fuck all.

These younger Evertonians, are unbelievable, “unfuckingbelievable” and I personally won’t rest until they see us win some trophies, even though it looks like some Everton players are actually resting out on the pitch.

I hope we Unite and that is all everyone demands and talks about from now on because every player can be replaced for a number of reasons and you must be sick of them same old reasons?

Buying cast offs from teams lingering above us and players over 25 from teams below us unless they are exceptional is a big massive no for me. Always was to be honest.

He was never a great team player, but used the ability he had pretty well, especially when comparing him to other attacking options.

IMO he had 5 times more end product than Walcott, Bollasie, Bernard, Iwobi or Kean have shown.

I believe Iwobi and Kean have the talent to improve, how much and how long that may take will only be answered in time. For now Ancelotti has the luxury of even lower expectations. He's a canny fox that one, all part of his master plan I'm sure.

My red mate said Klopp was brave, when he dug-out the crowd for leaving early, but it helped unite their club, and now we need Ancelloti to be brave, and make some brave decisions, because it’s the only thing that will “unite us” right now?

Evertonians are going nowhere but to Goodison next week, and they don’t want to see some players anywhere near the team, is the exact type of bravery I mean, especially considering the transfer window is now open, and there is nothing Knee-jerk about these feelings whatsoever.

Listen Farhad, I know a player when I see one, and that’s why I need you to get rid of half of these yellow bastards, or you might as well just go and throw your money in the Mersey, right next to Bramley-Moore Dock. Goodnight after a bad day!

And really give it right up them.
Sirens are for fighters not no marks.

I suspect any goals we score will be met with muted applause.

Forget the opposition, forget Ancelotti, reduce it to basics - we were a struggling top team away to a lower team with nothing to lose and a crowd behind them.

This is the FA Cup at its basic best...if you win - we didn't.

We paid the price for hitting it at their keeper 3 or 4 times in 30 mins.

It wasn't quite Hereford Vs Newcastle (google it) no mud for a start, but on cue up popped a Ronnie Radford...or as the old song has it...'and then along came Jones'

One worldy blammo in the top corner later and its all over.

From our point of view, reduce it back to basics; We're still a stuggling team.

Ancellotti, helped by his players got it wrong Vs City for an hour.

His nice, restrained, understated, capacino smooth version of Fergusons Chelsea performance floundered on Adrian's legs and hands.

Some days you have to fight, for the right, to party

What was needed was the fullblooded CU jimmy in your face version.

Yet another in a long list of 'Everton That' performances.

The good news is I don't have to pay out $25 and I can cancel my 'free 14 day trail' to that streaming service.

GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE CARLO - JUST 'KIN RUN.

1958 for me and I reckon the most inept 45 mins of that time.

What disappointed me even more was the failure of Ancelotti to address the shortcomings, which were apparent even in the first half.

The midfield was overrun, failing to show for the ball, being dispossesed when they did have it, giving no outlet to the defenders and no service to the attack. Little changed after the belated substitutions and as late as the 89th minute we were still fannying about on the edge of our area trying, but failing, to work the ball out.

At least for the last 15 mins we should have gone direct to DCL and trying to make something of his knock ons. Their goalie was virtually unemployed in the second half.

Once again, this team have shown they can't recover from going behind. It lacks leadership and also lacks an enforcer. If the roles had been reversed I'm sure they'd have put in a few crunching tackles, early doors, to make the kids think twice about dwelling on the ball. Instead we stood off them and allowed them the space and freedom to come into the game and to come at us.

This must be the most appalling and humiliating Derby I've ever seen and I've seen them all since the RS were promoted. We were abject all over the park but it stemmed from the inept couple in the centre of midfield. Surely this is rock bottom but I thought that after Milwall last season.

Now I expect the usual apologies and "we can't wait until the next game to put it right" platitudes to be trotted out by Seamus and co. Quite frankly, we've heard it too many times before.

Ancelotti must make changes for Saturday and play to the strengths we have. We certainly don't have players with the skill to play it out from the back.

“We must bounce back against Brighton”

I’ll bet my life on it, give it until 3pm but it’ll be on here.

No apology for that absolute bottle job YET AGAIN in a derby or producing collectively one of the worst halves of football that I’ve ever seen from any club competing in the FA Cup third round.

I’d love to see them all come out and say they are donating their wages to charity, or actually buying every single current season ticket holder a new season ticket for the 20/21 campaign (not that many would be happy about suffering more of that shite again next year)

I can’t put into words how I feel!

I’ve been through the lows since 1964 and there have been many, but this feels like an all time low.

I’ll be there Saturday. I don’t advocate the silent treatment (but fully understand it) but I won’t be as vocal as usual as I feel the players need to realise that they are under performing.

I will single out one player who did seem to care, and that was Mina, who was visibly trying to gee the others up, to little effect.

Next years season ticket renewal is seriously in question. I said that last year, but unless Ancelotti turns it around I’ll be watching and listening on the tele and radio next season.

Of course, the second half was a real shocker and I don't know what happened after the break. Not sure if Klopp changed things tactically or we just didn't get going again – but it was poor and meant our strongest team lost to a team of inexperienced young lads in the end. Not good enough… and this leaves Ancelotti with some big problems to address.

The major one is that we have a squad of players who, in the majority of cases, are not good enough. The manager himself has already hinted at this with talk of finding solutions in the upcoming transfer window. I actually think Ancelotti did not expect the players he would have to work with to be so bad in general and has been shocked by it since he arrived.

But the other question from yesterday for me lies with the manager himself. We seemed to revert back to a Silva/Martinez type of performance with little determination, passion or desire. We also reverted back to trying to pass out from the back and spend too much time playing about with the ball on the edge of our own box. This has been shown to not work for us many times under many managers! Ancelotti must accept this and tailor his tactics to what he has to work with and also cut down on the risk of losing possession in dangerous areas.

I fear that the good work done under Big Dunc with his basic but more effective tactics is starting to come undone. Without the big man in charge to terrify them into a performance, are the players going back to their bad old ways under a new manager who they do not fear? Yes, they may respect Ancelotti and be impressed with what he has won but this may not always get a 100% committed performance from them each game in the way being scared of what awaits you back in the dressing room after 90 minutes does!

The reason I say we have decent players is the fact that they can and do perform well, but unfortunately on so few occasions. The league game at Anfield last season is a particular example which certainly surprised and pleased me, despite the typical Everton monumental fuckup at the end. That's precisely the frustration, that they can and do perform much better, but don't do often enough, which makes it just painful.

When they do perform well, the team is always well organised, and the players do play for and cover each other. This raises our expectations every time, only to be dashed again. It's this continual raising and dashing of expectations that makes watching Everton seldom a pleasure. Unlike in the first decade of my supporting the club, when raised expectations were generally well met.

We can only hope that a big difference now is the appointment of a really top class manager in Ancelotti, an expert in organising teams, and thereby potentially doing what we need at the moment, which is getting the best out of this lot. If that happens, we'll improve and finish higher than usual in the table. But to reach the top, we'll need several top players, otherwise appointing Ancelotti would be pointless.

Personally I think the wrong thing to do would be to go out and spunk another £100 million a la Klassen/Siggi on 5/6 players who will play like total strangers.

Yes 5/6 players need to go but I'd be happy with a mobile centre mid and possibly a right back or CD.

What yesterday showed that Klopp has installed the klopp way of playing throughout the club. It will take time for Anchilotti to mould his team and more importantly create a club identity.

Final point, WTFs happened to our U23s; they won the league twice on the run but looking at the current crop of RS youngsters, they're either miles ahead of ours or we made them look like world beaters.

Jones goal yesterday reminded me of Rooney’s first goal against Arsenal.

He may have been jesting to Jones, but he never seems to learn.

Looking for positives from this worst of days against the RS, hopefully it will put a rocket up the board ad management staff, and endorse that mediocrity and failure is not an option.

Hopefully there’s no pathetic platitudes from Evertons players, apologising.

Yesterday’s performance was not acceptable and is unforgivable.

Now to rebuild.

His fingerprints are all over our now chronic 'istory. "Shambolic" is putting it mildly.

He has gone out of his way to appoint cheap, yes-men lackeys as coaches, even when they had no formal qualifications at all, or any experience or success at other clubs, and no, none of them have sought to leave us excepting Stubbsy, who immediately nose-dived in Scotland. For that, read "not good enough at the sharp end".

Yes, Unsworth's won the nonentity reserves league a time or two but his 1st team product is poor.

Kenwright's signed players and managers with his much-vaunted "special know-how" when it comes to football, according to him and, latterly, Moshiri, who've been largely bog-standard at best and nowhere near good enough to win a trophy. He's embroiled us for many years in a still mysterious financial "arrangement", to me at least, with Green and the BVI whilst our status continued to plummet (yet some us still laud our so-called "great" team when Arteta, Pienaar and Cahill et al caused not one ounce of sweat to appear on the brow of any successful club at the time).

In order to have a hope of stemming cancer you need to eviscerate the tumour itself. Only then can you hope to stem all the poisonous cells it permeated the club with.

Final point: What the fuck has happened to our U23s? They won the PL2 twice on the run but look at the current crop of Liverpool youngsters...

Don @423 is spot on, saying.

He has gone out of his way to appoint cheap yes-men lackeys as coaches, even when they had no formal qualifications at all.

I recall Kevin Sheedy, who was doing a great job with the youngsters, getting told he does not fit in. From whom? From a yes-man lackey.

Likewise with Mina with City, headed straight at their goalkeeper.

You think Moyes changing coaches came cheap when Steve Round came in for Alan Irvine? You think it didn't cost a fortune to hire and fire Martinez Allardyce and Koemans big teams?

We have the likes of a Lewis Gibson and Anthony Gordon along with Kenny onloan.

Why not give the above two a run of games, freshen it up a bit.

Next season we could have Kenny, Gibson, Digne, Holgate and Mina in defence.

At the moment,unless we bring players in, I would look to give Gibson and Gordon, a run of games, we need to try something different, at the moment we have too many passengers in the team.

Coincidence, or ruthless professionalism?

The last 4 managerial choices have not taught you that?
By the way Moyes invited Big Dunc to be coach at Everton. Watch his interview with them 2 brain dead mediocrity accepting fools from Toffeetv.