Excellent story, James, well written – and, yes, wouldn't it be special to have them in the new stadium.

That was a really brilliant story that James, mate.

I agree, I think it would be fantastic if the two Everton teams were to open our new stadium on Bramley-Moore Dock.

Fascinating story and great research, James.

Pioneering has always been the Everton way.

Great to understand those links. And I agree with Gerry, we should get our South American cousins over to Bramley-Moore Dock.

Thank you for that article. Brilliant.

What a story James. Everton are intrinsic to the game’s history. Now for the future!

Hi James, thanks for a superb article.

Like one or two others, I too would be in favour of there being an Everton vs Everton game in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, a fixture in which Everton can't lose.

I would like the stadium to be called "Trinity Park" for obvious reasons, but potential naming rights would put the block on that.

Fabulous article James! "And if you know your history.."

I honestly think that the club should contact every club called Everton and bring the players and families to the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock as a tribute to those pioneers and just think of the seeds we would sow around the world for our club. Every player who comes would be the best ambassador the club could have. Every budding player would look to our club as theirs, not only as a supporter but a desire to fulfill a dream and play for us.

What history, what opportunity, from little acorns...

Excellent summary, Jim. Wouldn't it be great to see Everton v Everton opening the BMD with representatives from the other 5 clubs in attendance?
A truly unique occasion.

John,

I like the thought of Trinity Park, but I think I would prefer something more adversarial like the "Colossuem" a place where you have to fight to survive! American owners would probably love that idea...

Locally, it will probably be shortened to "The Dock"

Hi Christine [10]

God wiling, I intend to reply when asked, who are Everton playing today? "We're home to Manchester United at Trinity Park''. I will always refer to that name no matter what name is chosen to satisfy naming rights.

I think that there will be a ToffeeWeb get-together in the near future and I intend to pay tribute to your 'Uncle Tommy', when we're asked to toast absent friends, Best Wishes John.

Now you open an interesting debate John Senior. The name of the stadium.

I personally like Bramley-Moore Dock as a name itself. It's unique and reflects the heritage of the site on which we will proudly face the Mersey and the world. I think it's a deliberate architect design that the stadium looks out to sea and the world. Outward looking just as our city was to become the 2nd city of the Empire.

But now you've planted the seed, I also like the thought of Trinity Park. Minor point, but that would also be able to fit easily into they lyrics of Spirit of the Blues! It would be transferable with Goodison Park. We could flick between the two!!

I agree though, sponsorship and naming rights will dictate, but we supporters can name it as we see fit, even if unofficially.

Here's a moral dilemma that I don't know where I sit. The Holy Trinity and Dixie Dean statues. Do we relocate or leave them in their current home? As it stands I'm leaning towards leaving them where they are. It's where they graced and where they belong. But then I want them with us too.

Why is James Milner writing about EFC? Surely, he would be researching the early history of LFC with a name like that. Oh, I forgot, they have no early football history of great note!

Danny #12.

If the plans are adhered to, there's no place for the statues, unfortunately.

Hi Brian [14] I would hazard a guess that the statues and memorial plaques will be retained if Everton plan on developing the Goodison site. If there are plans to do so, I think it's fitting that the statues, memorials, and other tributes should remain at Goodison, because there's no one who was around in 1892, and for an awful lot of fans Goodison is where their memories lie.

Hi John, for remembering my uncle Tommy, I think he just moved to the top balcony of the main stand.. at least, that's were we all go isn't it?
With respect to the memorials, I guess it depends on what happens to the ground, I confess leaving it to the mercy of the rebrobates from across the park would be an attack on human decency, but of course, they don't have any to begin with. Trinity Walk as you go into the dock gates with statues in the shadow of our new home on the banks of the royal blue mersey..that would do me..

I thought the Goodison area was going to be left for the community who maybe have problems. Especially accommodation support etc. I know just the two who excel in that field and are emotionally as one. Problem solved.

Hi Christine [20],

I try to fulfil my promises, it's something that I feel committed to do. In the event of naming rights, I think that your suggestion of "Trinity Walk" would be a superb solution.

I am trying my hardest to be present at the inaugural game, but I fear that in the twilight of my years I may not have the pleasure. I have been rebuked a number of times for divulging my age, but I can give you a little clue, I was born on 15 July 1938. I trust that your maths will reveal my longevity, and justify my feeling of being 'so close and yet so far', and if I am present at the next ToffeeWeb get-together, I will make sure that your 'Uncle Tommy' gets a mention.

Brian (21),

I think the plans were revealed at an Everton AGM by Mrs. Barrett-Baxendale. There were three blocks of flats amid a garden centre with benches and other things, the plans were all drawn up and shown on a screen, maybe other people who were there that night can recall all the details.

John mc snr. Hope you make the next ToffeeWeb occasion as I will share the memories of that 1963 fulham game as my older bro was the mascot for over a year. I have great pics of vernon lifting my bro over his head on the pitch etc. Failing that google everton’s first mascot ( ToffeeWeb. My big regret I missed out on seeing the golden vision in the flesh by two years.

I remember something along those lines Dave. A community project. There is housing involved but it wasn't by any stretch a Roker Park thing. That is now just a soulless housing estate by all accounts.

I know it's about economics and probably too much of an ask, but I wouldn't have minded seeing a down scaled stadium on the site for the Academy teams and U23s to play matches on. I appreciate that's not realistic, as it would have involved demolishing Goodison (which will happen anyway) and then building a small and simple 5,000 seater (for example) on the site. But I'd have liked that as part of the entire stadium project. Just a thought I've always had.

Catch you at the next gathering John. And don't you being going anywhere until that trophy gets paraded on the BMD / Trinity Park pitch at the first game.

It's 5am, freezing bloody cold and I can't sleep. For some reason, forgotten why, I chanced upon a blog that warmed my heart and my feet! It's from a blog The Square Ball, an overview of The Golden Vision...
For all of you, wherever you are, it's a great read, more so as the insights into players lives. It's football Jim, but not as we know it.. https://www.thesquareball.net/blog/the-golden-vision-alex-young-everton/

I would by no means compare, Christine, but that iconic scene of Alex Young's daughter. The tunnel scene with Seamus and his two daughters after the Palace match reminded me of that a bit.

Thank you, James.

I was aware that we had toured South America with Spurs, but this is the most detailed account I have come across.

Great Thread James and reminds me of some stories I was told by Brazilian lads when I worked in São Paulo about their clubs historic links to The British game and Corinthians was one club who had particular strong links.
Southampton were the first club to play in South America and it’s said that the reason their name did not catch on as Everton did was because it was in fact too difficult for the locals to say.
The actual Christian name ‘ Everton’ has become popular in Brazil and I actually worked with a guy called Emerson who also had a brother called Everton. Apparently his late father followed our great club from afar.
I don’t think us supporters will have any say in the name of the stadium unfortunately as money usually trumps in these situations.
I would love it to be called ‘The Dock Road ‘ or ‘ The Mersey View ‘.
I know it’s not everybody’s cup of tea but having spent alot of my childhood playing around that area and my dad having worked on the docks I would love to see a Liver bird atop the Stadium looking in towards the ground and show the world that this club of ours is from Liverpool. Maybe have one on all four sides.
We don’t have the cities name but we should reclaim its greatest symbol. I would be interested to hear other people’s views on this as it may just be me being pissed off that they have claimed what has been part of my history and also part of our clubs history too.

Peter (31) love all of your suggestions - especially the "Dock Road" stadium - we know it's not going to happen - especially the way the club's ownership seems to be heading - but we can dream.

Fascinating article. I have a mental picture of Kane, Son and the rest on a tug chasing the ship and climbing up a rope ladder to get on. Good to hear that somewhere, there is at least one Everton winning things. How about an away trip to all the surviving Evertons?

Excellent article and great pictures.

I think we could do with Bert Freeman up front this coming season.

For those of you who like a bit of rugby, have a look at this try by Chile's No 10 Rodrigo Fernandez in Santiago last week against USA in a World Cup qualifier. Is something special.

Second leg is this weekend in Colorado.