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Dennis Stevens
1 Posted 09/12/2017 at 16:24:42
I still don't think the Final should have been played.
Jay Woods
2 Posted 09/12/2017 at 17:09:28
Not being from Liverpool (or even England), I had no feeling that the final should not be played.

I did, however, perceive that the media were hankering for a Liverpool win and that had we won, it would have been framed as rude or inconsiderate or immoral, or a direct consequence of the LFC players and fans being traumatised by Hillsborough.

In other words, we were on a hiding to nothing. And when we lost, I hated LFC as much if not more than I had ever done before.

John G Davies
3 Posted 09/12/2017 at 17:10:36
Can I ask. Why I ask, why post that on a Derby eve?
Dermot Byrne
4 Posted 09/12/2017 at 17:35:10
Agree, John G. A reasonable midweek subject ,this book... even with this excerpt. But surreal to place it as a story on ToffeeWeb on the eve of a derby game.
David Barks
6 Posted 09/12/2017 at 17:48:28
What is the point of this?
Brian Williams
7 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:03:57
John G. I'm glad you asked as, much to my shame, I backed out of asking for fear of the PC brigade tearing me to shreds.

But it does seem an inappropriate time!!

Michael Kenrick
8 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:09:14
Got to agree with the last three posts... very strange choice.
John G Davies
9 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:14:43
Brian,

As long as you ask a genuine question, with no disrespect, I take no notice of the PC gang.

It happens a lot of the time before derby games. We go into the game like kittens, fearful of upsetting the status quo.

In example. Have a wild guess who Liverpool's home game is the week before the anniversary of Hillsborough?

Brian Williams
10 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:26:03
Johh. Their away game I think. Gotta be the Goodison derby?
John G Davies
11 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:33:43
Apologies, Brian. Our home game.

We will have a pre-match ceremony that will put us on the back foot. Meek as kittens.

I wouldn't have it to be honest. A one minute silence to pay our respects and them get tore into them.

Ian Hollingworth
12 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:35:12
And the question remains: Why post this on TW on the eve of the derby?
Tony Hill
13 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:39:05
Everything that's wrong with our sentimental, supine attitude. Further, the Hillsborough dead are not honoured by this rewarmed pap.
Brian Williams
14 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:39:27
That's our club for you, though, John. We do the right thing, though I believe it would be more appropriate for them themselves to mark the anniversary at their home game on the following Saturday.
Stan Schofield
15 Posted 09/12/2017 at 18:51:16
Brian@7: Like you, it seems inappropriate to me. Sometimes, 'less is more' is a good message, and I fail to see the point in yet another article on this subject.

Never worry about the PC brigade, they tend to be full of shit.

Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 09/12/2017 at 21:44:45
I had never wanted Everton to win a game of football so much in my life, but it never hurt as much when we did lose. Remember McCall's last-minute equaliser like it was yesterday, went absolutely fucking mental, and was so convinced we were going to win.

The fans were closer in those days, the red and blue scarfs, from Anfield to Goodison, was such a fantastic gesture, and although things have got a lot worse, they haven't really for me, because I still hate Liverpool, just the same as I've always done!

Hillsborough, is completely different though, I've shed many a silent tear, and I've got massive respect for many of the families, particularly that great lady Ann Williams (god rest her soul xx).

Peter Laing
17 Posted 11/12/2017 at 20:30:56
Interesting reading the narrative from the perspective of the Everton players. One thing that struck me was the difference in perception between Nevin and Southall. I was at the game aged 15 and my recollection is a tense and techy affair. I recall the scoreboard announcing that the game at Hillsborough had been delayed and then later on abandoned. We all thought crowd trouble until the news started filtering through onto the Holte End that a crush barrier had collapsed and people killed. The Barnes travel coach journey home was in total silence with a vivid recollection of disembarking on Priory Road to a guy standing there selling the Pink Echo with a headline that read ‘14 killed in crush at Hillsborough' or something to that effect.

I had two mates who were both Reds and also aged 15 on the Leppings Lane that day. Thankfully they survived. The Final was surreal, no fences at Wembley and a game that we were never going to win. I ventured onto the hallowed turf at the end of the game and can honestly say that I didn't feel the same bitter pain that I had experienced in 1986. I went to Hillsborough for the first time this year when passing through Sheffield. The Leppings Lane is still there and much of the existing architecture remains unchanged. It's not hard to imagine how such a disaster unfolded – the approach to the Stand really is a death trap.

Going back to Nevin and Southall, the big man was right – we were indeed on the wane.

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