Continuing my theme of who I regard as the best Everton players in their respective positions, I started in Part 1 with the inestimable Gordon West in goal.
Before I reveal the next player to feature, I have given some thought to the response to Part 2, featuring Alex Parker, a lot of people selected Tommy Wright as their favourite right back, and I'm convinced that I should have seven substitutes in my team, (with only three to be used if necessary as per today's system). I will disclose the identity of each substitute as we progress, so Tommy has the dubious honour of being the first substitute.
My choice for left back is a player that the more elderly will be familiar with, the younger readers may not have even heard of his name. This player made a big impression on me when he joined Everton from Rangers in 1951.
John Smith Lindsay was born on 8 August 1924 in Auchinlech, Scotland. His time at Ibrox was a frustrating period because the full-backs in the Rangers first team were George Young and Sammy Cox, both of whom were Scottish internationals. George Young was actually captain of both Club and Country, so it's no surprise that "Jock" as we knew him, decided to try his luck south of the border.
Jock's first two games were what's known as a baptism of fire: his debut was Old Trafford against Manchester United on 17 March 1951, where he gave away a penalty. Luckily for him, Ted Sagar saved the spot kick, but Everton went down to a 3-0 defeat. His home debut was against Blackpool and here he had to face Stanley Matthews; I'm afraid that this too ended in another defeat, 2-0 this time. I watched this game from the 'Boys Pen'. I know that Bill Kenwright is ridiculed for saying that he started watching from the Boys Pen but, in those days, that was where we served our apprenticeship.
Jock was signed originally to cover for George Rankin, another name that the younger supporters will not be familiar with,. Jock didn't feature again until the last two games of the season, a 1-0 defeat to Stoke City at the Victoria Ground and the 6-0 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday, which resulted in both Everton and Wednesday being relegated to the Second Division. A draw would have seen Everton safe, but it wasn't to be. I'm from an Everton family on my mother's side; my dad wasn't interested in football, and he thought that a trip to the pictures would mend a broken heart – big mistake!
The following season, 1951-52, Jock started in 40 of the 42 league games, and 2 FA Cup games. I mean no disrespect to the full backs who preceded Jock but he showed me, [a near 13-year-old boy] a side to full back play that I'd never seen, he wasn't a "clear your lines" type of defender, as I remember him, he was more cultured. In season 1952-53 he started 39 league games sharing the left back position with Don Donovan, George Rankin, and Jimmy Tansey, Jock played in the 4-3 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Bolton Wanderers, another heartbreak day.
A day that sticks out in my mind, was when we played West Ham United at Goodison. Everton were defending the Gwladys Street goal and a lofted clearance was heading towards the Bullens Road side of the ground. Two West Ham players were so intent on getting the ball that they ran into each other, Jock had anticipated this and he just took a step back collected the ball and walked around the stricken pair. It wasn't a happy ending though because West Ham won the game 2-1, I can only remember that Eddie Wainwright scored for Everton and Harry Hooper got one of the goals for the visitors.Jock scored only two goals for Everton – both were penalties, one against Derby County in a 6-2 win at the Baseball Ground; the other in an 8-4 win over Plymouth Argyle at Goodison Park.
Sadly, Jock's Everton career came to premature end ,when he suffered a broken leg in a game against Stoke City (on 10 April 1954] which ended in a 1-1 draw, Tommy Eglington on target for the Blues.
I wondered if my memory of Jock had been enhanced by the passage of time, until I stumbled on the tribute that follows:
"Cast in the studious mould Jock Lindsay was a thoughtful player who had great craft in his play. One of only two Scottish players on Everton's books in 1951 (the other was Jimmy McIntosh), he was signed from Glasgow Rangers for £7,000 by Cliff Britton who saw him as a solid and reliable full back with a flair for the unorthodox. He proved to be a useful acquisition, shoring up a defence which at the time was far from water-tight. He remained Everton's first choice until he fractured a leg in 1954.
Two years later, he stunned the Everton Board by demanding a transfer after making 115 senior appearances. In May 1956, he moved to Bury along with teammate John Parker but after only one season at Gigg Lane he left to join South Liverpool as a part time-time professional.
Jock had a brief spell at Worcester city before signing for Bury.
His Everton record was 110 league appearances, 2 goals, 10 FA Cup appearances. his Bury record: 7 league appearances.
Jock passed away in 1991 aged 66/67?
I can reveal now that Ray Wilson is the second substitute to be used, just one more to go.
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1 Posted 12/12/2017 at 06:20:48
2 Posted 12/12/2017 at 08:21:26
If my memory serves me correctly I think Mick Meegan was our left back when I went to my first game at Goodison in 1961. I do have some vague memories of George Thomson however.
I was quite surprised when Harry Catterick replaced Mick, an Ireland international, him with Raymon Wilson.
I thought Mick might have been your choice of favourite. Mine would have been a toss-up between Leighton Baines and Raymon Wilson.
3 Posted 12/12/2017 at 09:28:43
I don't really remember him playing or that period but my dad and uncles always told me he was a good solid hard defender who always gave 100%. Knowing the family, I can believe it!
However for me there is only one left back,
Ray Wilson. What a fantastic player both defending and attacking. Again like Parker, very rarely made a sliding tackle and did not come away with the ball.
We have had numerous left backs since Wilson and, in my opinion, not one could lace his boots, and I include Baines in that.
Simply one of a kind.
4 Posted 12/12/2017 at 09:50:06
5 Posted 12/12/2017 at 10:10:37
6 Posted 12/12/2017 at 10:18:33
Only just saw Wilson and as a World Cup winner would feel hard done by being on the bench.
From my era, Pat van den Hauwe two Championships Cup Winners etc was the best defender I ever saw and you would want his attitude in any winning side.
Baines was for me the best attacking left-back his assists and chances made in the current era difficult to match anywhere across Europe and add to that his amazing free kicks and penalties and long service history might put him higher.
Mine would be Wilson on the Team and Van den Hauwe on the bench
7 Posted 12/12/2017 at 11:01:38
I think that from the response that my articles have prompted, there is merit in reflecting on the past, and it's proof that though we all see the same players, we differ in our favourites. If my Uncle Tommy was around today, I have no doubt he would be extolling the virtues of Warney Cresswell.
You will appreciate that I will be unable to answer each comment, but if the 6 post rule has been relaxed I would be delighted to respond to as many as I can.
I will however answer one now: John  as Jimmy Tansey was your Mother's cousin, you will no doubt be aware that his brother Gerry was also on Everton's books, but unfortunately he never made the grade.
It pleases me that my memories are bringing pleasure to others, even those who are too young to remember some of the players under discussion, and to sum up it's a case of, "One man's meat is another man's poison" we all have our favourites and, as I have stated, "Favourites aren't always the best".
8 Posted 12/12/2017 at 11:05:27
He kept Ray Wilson and Tommy Wright out of England for a while and even though he fell out with Catterick was a really classy player and one of the best overlapping fullbacks I have seen.
9 Posted 12/12/2017 at 11:14:24
Nice to see my home town team, Worcester City, get a mention. Sadly, their feat of knocking Liverpool out of the FA Cup was somewhat before my time!
10 Posted 12/12/2017 at 11:20:17
For me, it has to be Ray Wilson. As a young Evertonian, my impression of him was that he made everything look easy, that he was absolutely reliable both in the tackle and in using the ball. Also, I will always remember him carrying the Jules Rimet trophy around Goodison with Roger Hunt when we played Liverpool in the Charity Shield in 1966.
Another favourite of mine was Keith Newton, who didn't play many games for us, but made an impression, and was part of the great 1970 title-winning side. He was good with both feet, and a very elegant player.
11 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:01:54
Thanks for that insight into Thomson, it's always nice to get little nuggets of information, tales etc. from players from our youth. I don't think that there are players in the game today that have the personality that players in past eras had.
I cannot imagine players from the 1950-60s practising dance moves to celebrate a goal, choreographing them with their mates "Ere, Tony (Kay) what d'yer think of these moves?"
I doubt if Kay, Chopper Harris,Morrissey,Hunter etc. would be able to contain their laughter...
One of the last players who was a larger than life type was Gascoigne, now we have Carlton Pogba with his different hair colours and crap dancing... Lord help us.
John Snr, another good article; Lindsay was before my time really, so Wilson is my favourite, as well as the best I've seen.
12 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:04:02
I remember Hickson, who was always winding up the opposition, pulling his beard and upsetting the centre-half so much he lost his temper and chased after Hickson right back into our own half with Hickson protesting his innocence to the ref that he had no idea why their centre-half had completely lost his rag.
The ref then admonished their centre-half while Hickson was chuckling away behind his back. One reason we scored 8 that day methinks. Alex.
13 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:14:30
Jeez, I'd forgotten all about Thomson. For some reason that brought back the excitement at the time of the twin signing.
And Ray (#11), re differences between players of today and then... I know I've said it before but I remember Young living by us on Aintree Lane (end of Aintree Lane or start of Bullbridge Lane). A Wimpey semi. One step up from our council house and we thought that was wealth. No comparison with today's semi's in Cheshire that they live in.
14 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:26:15
15 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:42:45
Ah, yes, tax havens; I almost forgot. To think, a couple of years ago the taxman visited me because, in error, I'd reported in my self-assessment a payment as received in the wrong tax year. It set the hares running for him and tied up an inordinate amount of his and my time trying to discover that error and to then convince him there was nothing else he needed to be concerned about.
16 Posted 12/12/2017 at 12:46:25
17 Posted 12/12/2017 at 13:11:56
Like many others I'm not (quite) old enough to remember your choice and for me the best and my personal favourite was the great Ray Wilson, just pure class. The first left-back I can remember was Mick Meagan in the early 60s. I think though that we've had some good ones throughout the years. Andy Hinchcliffe, Mike Pejic, John Bailey all decent players.
I wonder if anyone remembers John McLaughlin, small but a tenacious tackler. I recall Alan Ball going into meltdown and raging at Keith Newton after making a mistake in a game and he was an England international at the time! Imagine him with Martina now!! How standards have changed.
18 Posted 12/12/2017 at 13:14:17
19 Posted 12/12/2017 at 13:34:53
20 Posted 12/12/2017 at 13:58:35
Brent @15: It's amazing how HMRC target the likes of us, and most often seem to get it wrong.
On footballer's houses, I remember the standard they had around 1970 was a detached 4- or 5-bedroom house that might fetch in the region of £500k nowadays, in a 'well sought after area close to all local amenities and schools'. I think I've found my vocation, I sound like an estate agent. A 'dream home' for most of us back then, but a far cry from the mansions they have now.
21 Posted 12/12/2017 at 14:24:07
At the time of adding the second part, there should be 20 parts in total, and already 6 names have been put forward as possibilities for the left back position,
Mick Meagan, George Thomson, Leighton Baines, Ray Wilson, Keith Newton, and Pat van den Hauwe. When you're in your 80th year, and it's your turn to reminisce, you may experience the difficulties I've had in deciding my eventual team and manager.
There are two positions causing me problems; it may come down to the toss of a coin, but I won't divulge which positions they are, just to add to the intrigue...
22 Posted 12/12/2017 at 14:32:21
Centre-forward, how to choose between Royle, Latchford and Sharpe. Similarly, centre-half.
But you'll be aware of more players than most of us, so looking forward to what you come up with.
23 Posted 12/12/2017 at 14:34:40
25 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:12:39
A year or two back, I played golf at Mere Golf Resort and Spa* near Knutsford. I don't know if you've been there but there is a large lake, the mere,along one side of the course. Across the lake there are some rather special Lottery Winner houses, with lawns rolling down to the lake. Beautiful.Some fabulous properties.
The starter told us, while we waited to tee off, that one of the Man Utd footballers had bought one and knocked it down and built a new one in it's place. They are £2.5m - £3m houses. He knocked it down. Don't anyone ever try to tell me that footballers earn there money. Spoilt idiots, many of them.
* Spa. This is not a little shop where we all thought we could get some crisps and pop for the game. Apparently it's a place popular with the ladeees where they get pampered by some oiled up gigolo with a sock down the front of his kecks and a bottle of Johnson Baby Oil. And "pampered" has nothing to do with nappies.
26 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:26:02
Stan, Roy Vernon was one of the most awkward looking players I've seen (but liked him - an edge about him). Others?
The most graceful (apart from Alex, of course) Alan Gilzean? Others?
27 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:33:26
John, I remember Jock Lyndsay very well, particularly the Stoke City game when he broke his leg, think it was on the Saturday after we had beat Lincoln City 3-1 on the Good Friday. As you say, a very good footballing full back but to be honest, John, he is way behind on my list of left-backs who have played for the Blues, after Ray Wilson, I'd have Pat van den Hauwe and the much under rated Mick Meagan among others, but as you say ''each to their own''. Keep them coming, John.
28 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:36:31
29 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:38:30
Anyone confirm, enlighten a youngster?
30 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:47:49
However, difficult though it may be, selecting the very best would be infinitely harder than selecting your favourites. Keep up the good work, John!
31 Posted 12/12/2017 at 15:58:15
TG jones was a centre-half but my dad also said he was the best player ever to wear an Everton shirt and he also had the privilege of watching Dixie and Tommy Lawton.
32 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:02:09
I tried to do a quick count of the left backs I've seen since 1948, from Gordon Dugdale and got fed up with it when I reached number 15, Keith Newton in 1969-70.
Yes, John Bramwell was available for selection, but I'm afraid he wasn't one of my favourites.
I think you've misunderstand the theme, it's not the best players; the clue is in the title, "Favourites aren't always the best".
33 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:02:58
George Thomson did indeed come with Alex Young from Hearts. He made 73 first-team league appearances including 20 in the Championship-winning season around an injury mid-season having played in all the first 14 games.
Sadly I believe he committed suicide having fallen on hard times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Thomson_(footballer,_born_1936)
34 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:04:35
Jock Lindsay was before my time but my two favourites were Ray Wilson and Leighton Baines although I don't know which one I would have as sub.
I would also give honorable mention to Pat van den Hauwe nobody would get past him even if he was having a bad game; Andy Hinchcliffe The best corner taker going (I would love to know how many goals we scored off his corners); Paul Power a very classy full-back; and John Bailey a great character I used to play in the same team as him as a kid.
35 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:19:50
I decorated it and put wardrobes etc in and he paid for the materials. He was an absolute gent, frightfully well spoken and forever smoking his pipe. We stayed there for a year before moving to Wales.
He was always modest but could be persuaded to chat about football, I think he played in the same side as Catterick. A really lovely old chap.
36 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:26:17
How about John White, the ghost of White Hart Lane, brilliant inside right to the great Spurs team of the early sixties, sadly killed when lightening struck him down while on a golf course at a very young age.
37 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:26:42
38 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:41:35
39 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:48:02
I knew the Baileys from the 4 Squares, though John was a bit younger than me, I'd often see him kicking a ball around when I "crossed the Brow" to see my mates.
Like me, he went the Friary but not sure if he went to St Gregs or another school after the Friary.
I still occasionally see him around Shaw Street Park area. I think he lives with his sister somewhere around Everton Road way.
40 Posted 12/12/2017 at 16:52:29
I don't ever remember him mentioning that, I just remember him as a very decent sort of chap.
41 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:20:30
It's a long time ago but I remember that it was recorded in the Liverpool Echo at the time.
42 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:31:11
Stan Schofield (#14), I remember in 1962-63, Jimmy Gabriel's family, I think his brother really, had a building business and my mate's dad worked at Long & Browning on Queen's Drive. Jimmy was driving for him and said his biggest pay cheque in the season we won the League was £75, that included win bonuses and attendance bonus (£1) for every thousand on the gate over 45,000.
In those days, Brian Labone, an England international, imagine that now, whom I mentioned earlier played cricket in the summer with his mates from his primary school; Flo Melly, not organised cricket just a game with mates in the park, in Walton Hall Park and I was mates with a brother of one of his mates. Later, I played crown green bowls with Brian at The Hermitage.
Stan (#22), I agree about the Holy Trinity, but to be honest, only Colin Harvey gets in my immortals Everton, while Bobby Collins and Tony Kay are certainties.
43 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:33:45
John #32 "Steven  I think you've misunderstand the theme, it's not the best players, the clue is in the title".
Sorry, John, you rightly pull us back on to the original theme!
44 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:43:50
After that I started my pre-apprenticeship support by waiting for the gates to open I think it was 20 mins from the end and getting into the Boys Pen on the end of Gwladys Street, after getting a paper boys job I was able to pay to get in. I started work in 1956 and was then able to continue as a paying customer first in Gwladys Street end then on to the paddock and finally finished my apprenticeship as a season ticket holder and part time steward.
I am now 77 years old and my memory is not as good as it used to be but I would go with Ray Wilson who said he never missed a penalty in practice but would be terrified to take one in a game. Great article.
45 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:44:15
Can't wait for Part 4 because now you have me guessing.
Don't let Christmas get in the way, John keep it coming!!
46 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:48:28
Gordon Dugdale was a teammate of Harry Catterick, my fondest memory of him was after he retired as Dave  correctly stated.
Gordon was a Conservative Councillor for the Low Hill ward, and I can only surmise that the Headmaster of the school I attended [All Saints RC] was a friend of Gordon's, because he came along to supervise a training session which was held on Breck Park.
I was lucky enough to be team captain at the time, and during a six-a-side kick-about, I managed to clear the ball off the line, Gordon said, "Well done, full-back" and I recall saying in reply, "I'm not the full-back, I'm the right-half!"
Unlike today, the footballers were ordinary people going about their daily life relatively unrecognised, and to have a player of the club I supported complimenting me was something I cherished.
A few years later, I played for Anfield Boys club, and the leader of the club (Albert Cheetham) arranged for Billy Liddell to give a talk on behaviour, another gentleman.
The standard of comments posted so far  is excellent, not a swearword in sight. I have to confess that although I don't consider myself a prude, I do find foul language in the public domain (where ladies and youngsters have access) is not necessary. Please don't let me down.
47 Posted 12/12/2017 at 17:48:39
I've no real doubt that modern players are quicker, fitter and more skilful, but these are the players I watched and adored when I was a kid and when I was a teenager. Thanks, John.
48 Posted 12/12/2017 at 18:03:20
Yes, Ray Wilson was a brilliant defender and would be my choice of substitute but Baines was/is an excellent defender and also brilliant when attacking, which Wilson was not noted for, and don't forget to throw in Baines's superb penalties record.
So Baines for me both very sporting gentlemen by the way.
49 Posted 12/12/2017 at 18:13:50
And you can be sure it's always "Best Wishes" from me.
50 Posted 12/12/2017 at 18:30:22
For me, Ramon Wilson is the indisputable left back in my all-time Everton team of those I have watched, so Jock must have had something about him to work his way into your affectionate all-star 11!
Looking forward to the next one.
51 Posted 12/12/2017 at 18:54:26
After retiring from football he ran a news agents in Sudell Cross Blackburn. Above the door it read:
Keith Newton – Blackburn Rovers, Burnley & England.
The fallout with Catterick must have cabbaged his memory.
52 Posted 12/12/2017 at 19:12:06
53 Posted 12/12/2017 at 19:15:02
Ray Wilson for me. I like Leighton Baines too over his Everton career.
54 Posted 12/12/2017 at 19:17:43
55 Posted 12/12/2017 at 19:49:11
If the 6-post rule is still in effect, then I will only have one more to go. I'm hoping that the person I erroneously called the 'Webmaster', may well come on to this thread to clarify the position.
I feel that I could contribute a little to many of your comments, and I would love to do so, but for now I'm faced with a bit of a predicament, should I chance my arm or should I play safe?
Ron (#53), I would certainly have been at the match you refer to, it was versus West Bromwich Albion on 27 February 1971 a 3-3 draw, the scorers were Keith Newton, Jimmy Husband, and Joe Royle; however, I have no recollection of either the match or the goal.
I had to go to what I call my research department to establish the facts; it was actually the only goal that Keith Newton scored for the Blues, so my advice to you is cherish the memory, because other things will come and go, and (like me), you'll find they'll pass you by. Oh and by the way, you were one of 35,940.
56 Posted 12/12/2017 at 20:07:49
Can anyone confirm, or otherwise, please?
57 Posted 12/12/2017 at 20:28:22
I said to the salesman, "Wasn't that Keith Newton?"
"Yes, he works here," was his reply, "do you know him?"
"Only through watching him play for and against Everton," I replied.
"Oh, I'll tell him when he gets back."
My favourite left back was Ray Wilson a gifted player and as cool as a frozen cucumber. And one of the few English men who will ever be the recipient of a World Cup Winners' medal.
58 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:08:07
It was a belter, looked great from where I was, but I can't remember who we were playing.
59 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:15:22
However, I hope you don't mind me saying that left back is Ray Wilson's spot.
I look forward to the rest of the team and hope that I will concur with one of your favourites. Here's a hint, John: imagine Dean and Lineker together.
60 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:22:44
61 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:25:42
According to Don Alexander (#19), Joe Royle thought Pat van den Hauwe was the best left back we have ever had. I thought Pat was very good myself but would agree that Wilson was the best left back we have ever had. I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning the two of them in the same sentence.
I never saw Dixie, so although everyone knows he was the very best of goal scorers I don't know if he was a great footballer, do you?
62 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:39:04
63 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:44:05
I can't object to you preferring Ray Wilson, because you are doing exactly what I have done, choosing your favourite left back.
We don't have to justify our decisions, everyone sees different qualities in players, and in my case (then not a teenager) Jock Lindsay showed me something I hadn't seen from a full back.
Now, approaching 80, and still attending games, I will readily admit that there have been many better left backs for Everton, but the magic that I witnessed in my youth has stood the test of time.
In the (close on) 70 years since, I still have that affection for Jock Lindsay, and I believe that you, at an advanced age, will likewise extol the virtues of Ray Wilson, and rightly so.
As for imaging Dean and Lineker together, I can... but not in the tight shorts of the eighties.
64 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:50:24
I certainly revere him as the tops in goalscoring, and although I saw Tommy Lawton he was past his best and in the second division with Notts County...
Mind you, his partner that day, Jackson was more than a handful, scoring four in County's 5-1 win.
65 Posted 12/12/2017 at 21:56:12
My father watched both and told me Dixie was better than Tommy Lawton. Personal preference as ever, but I also got the impression he thought Dean was more of an Evertonian than Lawton and perhaps he was right about that.
66 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:00:13
Dave, I can remember that game very well. As you say, Jimmy Jackson scored 4 goals in a 5-1 defeat for Everton. I believe that Jackson later emigrated to either Canada or America, I think most likely Canada.
I think that Lawton may also have appeared at Goodison Park with Brentford, but I wouldn't put money on it.
67 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:07:20
John, keep replying; I know you relish your good manners but I think Michael and Lyndon will turn a blind eye in your case... mind you, I will have to start counting my own.
68 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:09:07
Most of my mates are actually reds, and two of them went to Lawson's testimonial, as well as Brian Labone's around the same time. I went to Roger Hunt's and Bill Shankly's, standing on the Kop with my mates.
I know times have changed, but there was always a mutual respect between the two halves. I also recall a derby at Anfield, about 1972 I think, where we lost 1-0 but played really great football, true to our reputation. Again, I was on the Kop, and I remember one Everton move in particular, it was brilliant, nearly scoring after a move involving what seemed like every one of our players. There were Kopites extolling that.
69 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:12:27
70 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:22:04
The color name 'sandy brown' first came into use in 1987, when this color was formulated as one of the X11 colors, which in the early 1990s became known as "the X11 web colors."
71 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:23:30
72 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:40:13
73 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:41:46
74 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:51:02
Hi Chris  ,Sandy Brown was on my short list, not least because he played in so many positions for Everton, I found it difficult not to give him a place on the bench, but I considered Ray Wilson deserved it more.
If you ever undertake a similar venture when you have time to spare, you may find it's not as easy as at first imagined.
75 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:54:46
76 Posted 12/12/2017 at 22:59:15
77 Posted 12/12/2017 at 23:03:12
It's a shame that a man who gave such sterling service to Everton, should have had to bear the stick he got, for that one mishap for the rest of his life.
78 Posted 12/12/2017 at 23:12:57
79 Posted 12/12/2017 at 23:19:46
80 Posted 12/12/2017 at 23:48:11
I have a busy schedule as I'm the resident Santa at our local school, but I'll make an effort in memory of Sandy.
I thought a lot of him and as I said, it's a shame he had to bear that one mistake for the rest of his life. RIP Sandy.
81 Posted 13/12/2017 at 00:26:26
Mike at 65 mentions Dixie as being more an Evertonian than Lawton. Based on what my dad and uncles told me, I would second that. He seemed just an ordinary guy with a gift.
82 Posted 13/12/2017 at 01:29:28
83 Posted 13/12/2017 at 02:09:58
Stan Schofield (#68), I went to the Tommy Lawton testimonial in '71 and will always remember the rapturous look on his face when he took to the pitch pre kick-off. None of us at the time knew of the penury that'd engulfed him, a total 24 carat legend according to my Dad, but he was crying with what I now assume was relief. Sad, but I hope the night made his last years more bearable.
I've noticed on this and other recent threads that a preference is emerging for describing our unloved neighbours in something other than the odious "Red-Shite" term, or worse. If I'm reading it right I commend it.
Liverpool families contain avid Blue and Reds so, whilst I'd rather barbecue my own balls than start singing "You'll Always Walk Forlorn" or what-ever it's called, their fans are but a dramatically different gene away from us, so let's dispense some compassion on them 'eh?
84 Posted 13/12/2017 at 02:56:10
I thought Mike Pejic was solid too. Did he not buy the house Kevin Keegan owned in Colamendy, North Wales?
Ray Wilson was brilliant but I have loved Leighton Baines since he came to us. Always gave his all and never complained. Like somebody said earlier, his goals and assists cannot be beaten by any left back we have had.
85 Posted 13/12/2017 at 04:13:44
Anyway I decided to see if Mick Meagan (got the spelling right this time Terry) was as good as I thought he was as a 12- or 13-year-old boy. As a result I came up with this quote from a potential "midfield favourite" Bobby Collins who said Meagan was:-
"The finest exponent of the one-two pass' he had ever played with."
86 Posted 13/12/2017 at 09:34:25
To be honest, I don't think it matters having a joke about that own goal. The reason I say that is, Brown is definitely remembered for the versatile and reliable player he was. Steven Gerrard made a major blunder that halted Liverpool's title ambitions in 2013-14, but it doesn't stop folks remembering his playing attributes. (It does make me smile though!).
I recall that when a player was injured, Brown would often play in their place, and every time we just knew he'd put in a strong performance. As you say, one of the favourites, and a player that (like Paul Madeley of Leeds) any top team would gladly have because of his versatility.
87 Posted 13/12/2017 at 09:45:40
I think a minority have perhaps become arrogant with past success, which ironically seems to blind them to their current status. I don't like that arrogance, and I'm afraid Klopp seems an exponent of it, unfortunately, with constant attempted 'cheating' by getting into the faces of match officials. For this reason, I was quite chuffed with his media meltdown on Sunday, it gave the same kind of pleasure I get when Liverpool lose.
88 Posted 13/12/2017 at 09:50:22
"He was most effective as an overlapping full-back but also played as an emergency attacker and scored against Real Zaragoza in a European game during the 1966-67 season. In fact he played in every position during his Everton career, including goalkeeper. This came after Gordon West was sent off in a game against Newcastle United."
89 Posted 13/12/2017 at 09:56:47
As Brent said, I was surprised Sandy Brown's name didn't come up, but in the comments, not your original post. You're entitled to mention whoever you like they're your favourites!
And didn't Sandy once score against Liverpool in a 3-1 win after coming on as a substitute?
90 Posted 13/12/2017 at 10:46:47
Frank told us he was at Everton for 10 years, and we recalled him being in the 1965 FA Youth Cup winning team, and also substitute in the 1970 Title winning game v West Brom. He told us of his frustration at not being able to command a regular first-team place and how he would go in to see Harry Catterick once a year to ask for a transfer. Harry would answer “No, we need you in the squad", then turn away and look out of the window of his Bellefield office. Frank would stay seated, Catterick would shout down the corridor “Harry”. Harry (we assumed Harry Cooke, chief scout and sidekick) would appear, and Catterick would say “How much is Frank on these days? Make sure he gets another £8”.
Frank later signed for Ron Yeats at Tranmere. Having struggled with a knee injury, Ron promised to pay him £X if he played 12 games his knee went in the 11th.
It was good to meet Mr and Mrs D'Arcy.
91 Posted 13/12/2017 at 11:11:57
Sandy Brown did wear the Number 1 shirt, going in goal after Gordon West got sent off against Newcastle.
Poor ole Sandy immediately conceded the penalty the barcodes were awarded following Gordon's sending off.
Sandy was the perennial butt of Gordon's dressing room humour the story goes tha,t when the team traipsed in having lost the game to that single penalty, Gordon laid into Sandy for not saving it!!!
92 Posted 13/12/2017 at 11:44:26
I started watching the Blues in 1967 and saw Sandy play many a time and even score at the Gwladys Street end (I can't remember the game) but he cut in from the wing past a couple of defenders and buried it.
He always gave 100% even when often he was the sub. He always got the biggest cheer when he came on because the first thing he would ever do would be to roll his sleeves up, indicating he would get stuck in. The fans loved him. Happy memories indeed.
93 Posted 13/12/2017 at 12:06:16
I'll try to reply to a couple of posts, Chris  I'm pleased that you didn't take offence, and yes Sandy did come as a substitute to score against Liverpool, Alan Ball scored the other two.
One Sunday newspaper read, "Liverpool resorted to Scotland Road thuggery".
Hi Stan,  I was 99% sure that Sandy played in every position for the Blues, but I'm going to, what I call my research department to check it out, I'm a stickler for accuracy.
Hi Jay  You're correct in stating that Sandy donned the keepers jersey against Newcastle United, when Gordon West flattened [if memory serves me right] Ollie Burton, and it was reported that Westy berated Sandy not saving the penalty kick. I'm off HO, HO,HO'ING now.
94 Posted 13/12/2017 at 13:30:43
Sandy was also the butt of many stories by other Everton players, one of them told Sandy was ordering a round of drinks, one of the drinks was scotch on the rocks and Sandy asked for ''Scotch on the rocks with no ice''.
I spoke to him a few times when he lived in Maghull. Safe to say he was a real character, funny even if he didn't mean to be.
95 Posted 13/12/2017 at 13:31:22
I confess to have never having heard of Jock Lindsay and to being surprised that Ray Wilson didn't make it. I never saw him play myself, but he is the stand-out player for many Evertonians of a certain vintage.
But then, that is the point of the article. Favourites aren't always the best, so it would be impossible and pointless to argue with you, even if I had seen both Lindsay and Wilson play.
I consider myself fortunate to have seen Pat van den Hawe, Andy Hinchcliffe, Michael Ball and Leighton Baines don the blue Number 3 jersey in the last 30 years or so. Baines takes it for me, but it is close between the four of them.
96 Posted 13/12/2017 at 13:45:33
Dave, it was actually the Number 3 shirt. Have a look, if you can stomach it, at the link below.
97 Posted 13/12/2017 at 15:59:06
Mick Meagan was a very neat and versatile player. He started out as a wing half, a typical Everton player of that time in that position, undersized! Kenny Rae was another example of this.
Mick certainly fitted in well in both full back positions during the Championship year. I can well understand Bobby Collins's tribute to Mick, he was largely underappreciated by the faithful as we were signing so many "stars" at that time.
98 Posted 13/12/2017 at 16:25:36
I'm 99% certain I played against Frank in the Sunday league. It was definitely an ex-Blue. I think he played for a side that played on Lower Breck.
99 Posted 13/12/2017 at 16:47:19
I can't remember who made way for Sandy, but he is listed as number 12, and although I appreciate that he may not have actually worn that shirt number, I suspect that he did.
Hi Terry,  You're right in describing Mick Meagan and Ken Rea as being somewhat undersized, I wonder what you made of Jackie Grant, and later down the line Graham Williams.
I remember reading of Mick Meagan in a programme before he made the first team, and in it he was referred to as Chick Meagan.
I suspect that Laurie  will be chuckling now, and that he's feeling that the spelling boot, is on the other foot, I write that as a bit of banter, and trust you are not offended.
100 Posted 13/12/2017 at 17:15:17
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102 Posted 13/12/2017 at 18:06:17
No worries Dave, as long as you don't watch the link I sent... it'll put you off your tea.
Alan, true, Sandy deserves a better epitaph than that goal. He was a fine all rounder who never gave less than 100%, something today's precious little mites should try once in a while.
103 Posted 13/12/2017 at 18:38:16
Hi Dave , when looking up Sandy's record, I discovered that it was Fred Pickering who was substituted in the 3-1 game; we can't be expected to remember every thing, can we?
104 Posted 13/12/2017 at 18:51:34
Jackie Grant, as you mentioned, was cut from the same cloth. Ken Birch, while taller, had no weight on him either. Peter Farrell, on reflection, was a bit of an anomaly.
105 Posted 13/12/2017 at 18:56:55
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107 Posted 13/12/2017 at 19:49:12
Regarding the incident that led to the referee [Ken Stokes] taking both teams off the pitch, was a savage assault on Derek Temple, I said to my mates, "Temple won't come out again" obviously I was mistaken.
To add insult to injury, the man who launched that attack on Derek Temple [Willie Bell] scored the winner. As good as Leeds were at that time, they were also masters of the dark arts.
108 Posted 14/12/2017 at 08:00:52
109 Posted 14/12/2017 at 10:19:24
110 Posted 14/12/2017 at 18:33:24
No offence intended on my part or taken from anything that has been said. With my simplistic sense of humour I smile when I see so many of the names of our players, past and present, being misspelled.
At least it humours me! It's the little things...
111 Posted 14/12/2017 at 18:50:21
I have just sent a post to Michael Kenrick [on the thread announcing the signings of the three youngsters] requesting clarification of the 6 posts rule.
I have noticed on other threads that there appears to have been a relaxation over the last few days, I too have violated this rule, but being a bit 'Old School' I don't seek special consideration.
112 Posted 14/12/2017 at 21:45:21
113 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:31:01
The mid seventies where an era where there was a leftover from the Corinthian spirit of the 50s and 60s and the superstar was starting to emerge: Cruyff, Keegan, even blurts like Malcolm McDonald where starting to make big money from TV adverts etc.
Looking back, we had some top players around that time: Dobson, Todd, Pejic, Thomas, Latchford etc some of them really intelligent footballers who were brought up on the game when the likes of Young, Wilson, Moore etc where their icons..
114 Posted 17/12/2017 at 00:51:04
I didn't notice anything at the time either. But on reflection we wouldn't, as the papers print different stuff in different editions 'oop north' than down south, where they were no doubt preaching to the choir.
It only came to my notice 2 years ago when somebody posted a page, probably from Charles Buchan's footy magazine, with Roy Vernon vigorously refuting the accusation; short version - we were hard but fair... I'll try and dig it out.
115 Posted 17/12/2017 at 01:45:27
116 Posted 27/12/2017 at 01:23:10
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