Sky Sports: Everton revisit Allardyce option

Monday 27 November 2017  609 Comments  [Jump to last]
Updated Sam Allardyce has re-emerged as a leading candidate to replace Ronald Koeman, with Martin O'Neill and Paulo Fonseca also under consideration according to a report on Sky Sports News.

They claim that the Blues have re-opened talks with the former England boss about taking over team affairs on a more permanent basis than David Unsworth after a run of just one win in seven games under the caretaker boss.

Allardyce was said to have held talks with the Everton hierarchy a few weeks ago but any negotiations stalled and the 63-year-old suggested that he didn't feel wanted at Goodison Park.

Despite a victory over Watford and a somewhat fortuitous draw at Crystal Palace the team's fortunes have worsened with a 5-1 defeat to Atalanta being followed by yesterday's 4-1 drubbing by Southampton, perhaps forcing the Blues' Board to revisit what was, perhaps, merely a contingency in the early days following Koeman's dismissal.

Allardyce is reportedly flying back from a trip to watch the Formula One Grand Prix in Dubai and could hold face-to-face talks with Everton tomorrow.

The former Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham and Crystal Palace boss is said by Sky to be on a shortlist of three names which also includes Republic of Ireland head coach, O'Neill, and Shakhtar Donetsk manager, Fonseca.

It is unclear whether Fonseca has been interviewed by the club but Sky Sports claim discussions were held with his agent on Friday.

O'Neill, meanwhile, had the shortest odds with the bookmakers prior to these latest reports surrounding Allardyce.  


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Victor Jones
1 Posted 27/11/2017 at 15:42:55
I think after yesterdays result that that could be a real possibility. I would go along with that. Results need to Improve. Sam Allardyce might just be the man.

That's what the Koeman legacy will be. Leaving us needing a manager like Sam Allardyce to steady the ship. But if BS can steady the ship. Then I'd be happy enough. That's just the situation that we are now in. We need to get onboard with it.

Not really much that us supporters can really do. The suffering has gone on long enough. A little stability will do this old supporter the power of good Hopefully.

Sorry about what I fear is going to happen to Unsworth. But in an almost impossible run of games a number of our players have let him down. Badly let him down. And he did make a few baffling team selections. Just hope that he carries on with the Under-23s. Or maybe become part of Big Sam's staff. Good luck to him anyway.

Big Sam's not on board yet. But if it does happen. I can live with that. Although I doubt that a number of supporters won't. But a few positive results will help. Starting on Wednesday night.

Tony Everan
2 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:17:41
Why not Dyche? He wants it.

There was a massive vote on here and Big Sam was clearly rejected . Maybe they are looking for someone specifically to take over until the end of the season.

Silva, Simeone, or Tuchel... will be lined up then.

The strategy may keep us up, but it doesn't really give the manager much authority. It will be challenging to get the players organised and motivated under his rule.

Brian Williams
3 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:17:58
If true, like they say on Dragon's Den....... I'm out!
Joseph Edwards
4 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:18:29
If they sign this fat-jowelled corrupt fuckwit, I will officially stop following the club.
Ian Burns
5 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:19:31
Now also being reported on the BBC – it looks likely. What a mess we are in.
Joe O'Brien
6 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:20:24
Fat Sam... never thought I'd see the day when he was in charge of us. I feel dead inside. I don't want his type beyond the summer... but he'll get his 2-3 year contract... fuck you Koeman and Walsh for getting us into this mess.
Tony Graham
7 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:21:12
We are in dire straits, bite the bullet people. Can't be any worse can it?

If he can turn us round and keep us up, it's worth it...

John Davies
8 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:21:17
JESUS CHRIST!! Please NO!!
Brian Hill
9 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:22:00
Stupefying.
David Connor
10 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:23:23
Looks like Sams the man. If it means more direct football and better results I'm all for it. He might be a dodgy fella buts let's not forget not so long ago he was the FA's choice as England boss.

Personally, I've had a belly full of foriegn managers after the last two dickheads we've had. Get him in ASAP and let's see how we go. Who knows he might just be the man for us. Don't bye a ticket, you wont win the lottery.

COYB
Michael Lynch
11 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:23:37
Panic in the boardroom?

Still, we've been through worse. This too will pass.

Steve Hopkins
12 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:02
Sadly the extra 3 weeks of waiting has made Allardyce a necessity, if they hadn't faffed around then I think a more attractive/less firefighting option was feasible, they could've come in, had a couple of games (Palace and the dead rubber against Atalanta) to get their feet under the table.

As it is now, lose against West Ham and Huddersfield, and let's face it who wouldn't bet against that happening, and we'd be up to our nostrils in the excrement.

This is on the heads of Kenwright and Moshiri.

Lee Hind
13 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:19
Anyone who thinks we can pick and choose our manager at this stage is dreaming. We NEED an Allardyce/Pulis type in and now to stop the rot. This season is a write off – better that we get someone like that now and prevent the unmitigated disaster that relegation would be.

Too big for Allardyce et al? Too good to go down? Politely, bollocks. We need 27/28 points from the remaining games and I don't see where they're reasonably coming from at the moment...

Does anyone see us winning midweek against West Ham? Yes they're shite but we are worse right now – and that's the kicker... are there 3 worse teams than us? Don't know about that...

Chris Cole
14 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:46
If I were Lookman, Vlasic, Barkley, Kenny, Sandro then I'd be looking to leave ASAP.

If I were in the U23s or younger, i'd be considering my options.

The board should all resign – they are all guilty of gross negligence and total incompetence.

The Vic Reeves lookalike is a total imbecile – how on earth did he become a billionaire???

After 40 years I won't be following Everton anymore.

Enjoy Kevin Davies up front.

Brian Ronson
15 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:19
Though no one is going to be brimming over with joy about this development I for one am relieved that the penny has finally appeared to have dropped that we are in real danger of relegation.

If we are still a Premier League team come may because of this then we would have lived to fight another day which is the best we can hope for. There are of course no guarantees other than unless we do something soon we are down.

Hywel Owen
16 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:35
Beggars are very rarely choosers. Big Sam has the proven ability to frighten the life out of skivers – plenty of those in our squad at the moment. I would choose him before the likes of Dyche or the totally unproven Watford bloke. What we don't need is another Fancy Dan continental twit.
Dermot Byrne
17 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:47
Rui Vitoria?
James Stewart
18 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:26:32
The club could literally not disgust me more. Moshiri is an utter fool. Kenwright takes a lot of stick on here (rightly so) but if this is "Moshiri going it alone" then he is ten times worse. 5 weeks to work out the man he wants is Allardyce, give me a break! I didn't want him first time round and don't want him now.

Why not Dyche? Playing great football, they battered Arsenal at times at the weekend, I don't get this perception Burnley play long ball. They don't and are infinitely better to watch than us.

Liam Reilly
19 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:26:47
I didn't want this guy but needs must. Give him a contract to the end of the season and a bonus for staying up and then review it.

Dave Evans
20 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:27:31
Why come on an Everton forum and say you are not supporting Everton? Just go it's less dramatic.
Don Alexander
21 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:28:40
Jeez! If this is true the message it sends out to all and sundry in football is that we're a standing joke, choosing to bend right over whilst pulling our own arse-cheeks apart for the mother-and-father of all financial rodgerings with Allardyce not even having to lube up.
John Graham
22 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:28:53
Just proves they haven't got a clue. Desperate measures. Surely if you are going to sack a manager you would have someone ready to replace him.

Sorry but even though he is a true Everton fan I think it is time for Kenwright to go. Not a big fan of Allardyce and would have been way down on my list but let's hope if he does come in he brings in some decent backroom staff and clears out many of the ex-players who are just not up to it.

Always great to have ex players around but it's a priority that we need to make sure they can do a good job. Many backroom staff at the moment are just not up to it. We are slowly but surely falling apart and becoming a big joke.

Don't know about School of Science. More like a school of nobodies run by a bunch of idiots.
Michael Lynch
23 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:29:06
I don't give a flying one about the type of football we play for the rest of the season, I just want to see us start next season safely in the Premier League.

If we survive, whatever contract we offer Sam I reckon he'll be gone in May. Pay the fucker off – how much will it cost, £10M? We spend more than twice that on shit Dutch players without batting an eyelid.

We need clean sheets, and we need scrappy 1-0 wins til we're safe. Then we can regroup under a decent manager.

Steve Hopkins
24 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:29:53
From memory we've been out-played by almost every opponent so far, including the ones we've beaten and nobodys like Ruzomberok and Apollon have given us a tough time, I can't see the next 3 let alone the next 28 points at the moment.
Les Green
25 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:30:31
Allardyce may not be what people want, but I think he's what we NEED!!!
Ian Lang
26 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:30:32
We as a club are an absolute embarrassment. We have no clear idea or strategy as to the type of manager we want or need you just have to look at the difference later in supposedly managerial targets, Simeone, Allardyce, Dyche, Villas-Boas, Ancelloti etc Moshiri is a fantasist that's gets a hard on over big names that's never gonna happen in a million years.

We're in deep deep shit and as much as I respect and admire Unsworth but for him to come out and say we're not in a relegation battle is ludicrous. We're seriously in the shit. I never want to see in a blue shirt those useless twats Mirallas and Schneiderlin who just don't give a shot about are clue, fans there's more but those two get rid, get them out of the club and training ground and try and off load up in January. We need an entire new team, it's scary as to how many players need to be rid of.

And In typical Everton fashion I guarantee that this would be the season Sam Allardyce gets a team relegated. We're frigging cursed as a club run by baffoons

Andrew Heffernan
27 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:01
I don't like him any more than most I've seen on here, but I can't watch any more of the crap we are dishing out and something needs to give.

My concern is how the players react. Move away from relegation zone and make some plans at same time.

I'm definitely with Chris on this one – the joke we have become lies squarely with the Board of Directors. Shame on them.

Chris Cole
28 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:18
Dave @19: err, the club monitor social media.

Welcome to the 21st century.

Anto Byrne
29 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:19
Allardyce has experience and will have money to bring in January. Maybe not as bad is given he was going to be the England job. Can't be better than Unsworth. Fuck it. Wasn't to bad at Bolton and them did top end.
Simon Bell
30 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:36
Personally right now I welcome Big Sam with open arms. Compared to the other candidates he's tried and tested at surviving and after Sunday we need to survive.

Worst case scenario he takes us down like Koeman was doing. Average scenario he keeps us up, stutters next season and we get rid. Best scenario he keeps us up and we push on.

Shane Corcoran
31 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:10
I was against Allardyce weeks ago because he's a crook (sort of). Now my principles are out the window as we are well and truly fucked.

What I don't get is the rise against his style of play. Don't we remember 1995? Joe's Dogs of War were shite to watch. Sam's won't be any worse, I reckon they'll be better as he'll have some cash.

Tom Evans
32 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:29
I smile when I see the Vic Reeves jibes appearing ever more so. They seem to be tolerated a bit more these days. I wonder why?

I only mention this as I described Moshiri this way very early in his tenure and not in a malicious way. The post was removed. I can only assume that it may be open season on the chap now his halo has slipped.

David Barks
33 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:59
Everyone blamed the summer transfer window on Koeman. Yet the manager search has followed the same drawn out pattern of incompetence and indecision that we saw in the Summer. Koeman was open about stating the players he needed, striker, left sided defender. Neither came. It has been well over a month and we still have no manager.

It is starting to look more and more like the problem was at the top and not as much Koeman as we thought. Doesn't mean the football we were having to watch was any good under Koeman. But I get the feeling that he will speak about what really went on at Everton and it won't be pretty. And now we've gone lower than early in Moyes's tenure, Sam Allardyce. We are officially a small club. What a disgusting time.

Jim Bailey
34 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:27
It seems some on this thread and others are hell bent on stopping going to Goodison should Sam be appointed. I don't personally give two hoots who gets the job as I could never contemplate turning my back in any way shape or form on the club I love.

So, if any of those who are seriously not going any more and have a season ticket, I would gratefully take it off your hands.

Dave Evans
35 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:31
Chris, you're right.... bye, then.
John Pierce
36 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:49
Allardyce, no thanks rather go down, because if he fails the fucker gets walk away. Nah not having that, saying the damage was already done, and doing so in his ‘effing Bentley.

20 odd games is more than enough time to sort the mess out, not him though. The squad such as it is is patched with youngsters who will need to play.

Ever seen an Allardyce team with kids in it? Not me.

His self-styled Red Adare is maths its, percentages and probability. I’d say this approach based on whats gone before is now more likely to fail than work. Everton would be chancing a method one too many times and sullying themselves in the process.

Fuck I’d even take Dr Jo Venglos, of diaster at the Villa fame.

Never Allardyce.

Tony Hill
37 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:58
The correct choice made just in time.
Tim Lewis
38 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:59
A good move. Ask yourself who you’d want leading the team for the Anfield derby and Allardyce would be right up there. Back to dogs of war of 1995. Give him a contract until end of season and bring in a more long term option over the summer to rebuild.
Mike Hughes
39 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:02
Allardyce is 1/5 now on Paddy Power.

I'll be glad when it is sorted and hope he is in for the West Ham game.

If he comes here, get behind him. He can't do any worse than Unsworth, Koeman or Martinez can he? I doubt he'll be accused of fannying-around or coming out with bullshit excuses.

With the Merseyside derby not far away, we've a better chance with him in charge than some foreign project merchant.


Mark Riley
41 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:22
No one else better to stop the rot. We're in shitsville and stuck there. I want someone to whip the sorry squad into shape get the basics right.

If you're thinking of Tuchel, Mancini, Pellegrini or anyone else as fancy then you're as deluded as them across the park.

Rob Dolby
42 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:41
This appointment makes sense even if it is abhorrent to the majority.
If Big Sam is appointed at least the team will go out well organised and fighting for every ball giving us a chance of staying up. Besides a couple of seasons we put up with a similar style under Moyes for years.


Dave Ganley
43 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:37:13
How low can we go. The fact that some are coming on here saying he's exactly what we need just shows how much of an embarrassment we are. Shameful Everton shameful that we are in this position.
Ian Lang
44 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:39:23
I didn't want Allardyce but I do now. We just cannot afford to bring a manager in who tries to play fancy football, that's not what we need now.

We need someone to seriously take us back to basics, dogs of war style and grind out results, but my worry is this team don't have the mettle for dogs of war type approach but they also don't have the ability to play decent football.

I am dreading the derby in 2 weeks, That will be the worse derby hiding this club will ever experience, it's got 7, 8 or 9 written all over it

Gerry Quinn
45 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:39:56
If it is Allardyce, even though I am not overkeen, I will be right behind him as Manager. No messing with this guy, need someone as strict as him...bunch of overpaid nancies to sort out – he will be our man for that, not some over-rated Euro whiz-bang!
Lawrence Green
46 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:40:53
I feel as if Everton FC has been taken over by some crazy reality TV programme, written and directed by the most ardent Liverpool supporter on the planet.

It's not enough that we spent shedloads on players who weren't quite what we had hoped for, it's not enough that we sold our main goalscrorer one of the most prolific we've had on our books for nearly twenty years and then failed to replace him. It's not enough that the board and owner seem to be working in different footballing universes or that we have to rely on the younger players who are not up to scratch for the battles ahead and it's probably going to set them back in the long-term.

No! let's go the whole hog and replace the Dutchman with Big Sam the Black Country bumkin, I'll be at Goodison in the remaining games but to say I'm not looking forward to it is an understatement. I realise that we are in a very precarious position and many will argue that the ends will justify the means - I agree to a point but how much more punishment can the average Evertonian endure ?

I thnk if Big Sam does take over we can say farewell to Ross and Lookman in January and any other talented individual that we may have at the club. On the plus side we'll likely not see the pairing of Schneirderlin and Gueye again, as the midfield will be an area where the ball isn't seen as it is pumped from back to front with even greater regularity than we have witnessed recently.

We may or may not retain our Premier League status but it won't be much fun sitting in the stands for the next few months - mind you on reflection watching Everton in the last five or so years hasn't been much fun either. Aarrggggghh!


Tony Dove
47 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:13
We will need to name the new stadium Jurassic Park. I wouldn't have Allardyce anywhere near the club even if we were bottom of the second division. What's George Graham up to these days?

Brian @2, I'm out too.

Gerry Quinn
48 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:28
Peter Reid as side-kick – both until end of season.
Mike Hughes
49 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:50
Dave (#42),

How low can we go?

On current form – Championship, League 1, 2?

I don't know if you've noticed but we've been on a downward spiral for some time now despite investment.

We have embarrassed ourselves well before Allardyce got here.

Andy Walker
50 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:42:30
Can we just get Sam in and his team and support him?

This could have been sorted a month ago, no doubt Allardyce will now be able to get more of his demands. I thought Moshiri was supposed to be a shrewd operator, I was wrong.

Dave Evans
51 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:42:44
Not my (or others ) first choice.

At the moment, I would take the reincarnation of Atilla the Hun if he sorts out the coaching at Finch Farm.

Paul Kellett
52 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:43:14
If this is true then it really is a sorry state of affairs! I said then and will repeat as I am unable to rip up my season ticket I will instead melt it! This man is corrupt beyond belief, as was proven being the national manager. He does not care about Everton only about how much money he can get from whatever club is next on his career.

I heard via a source who is close to an ex red man that he has worked with and is vertically challenged shall we say . that Everton didn't offer him enough money first time round! I have no reason to disbelieve this story.

Think long and hard Everton about this path you are about to take!

Once again the fish rots from the head and there is something that stinks very fishy amongst the corridors of Goodison Park.

Liam Reilly
53 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:43:15
Just reading his stats on Goal Difference:

Bolton, Newcastle, Blackburn Rovers, West Ham and Sunderland comes to -80.

Better buckle up; this is going to be some ride – Wimbledon and Coventry all over again.

Amit Vithlani
54 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:44:21
So. Our glorious leaders have fucked the manager search so badly that they are now, apparently, going back to a manager who was exposed for offering to circumvent FA rules on transfers.

They are bereft of ideas to appoint an alternative manager to save us from relegation.

This news comes as no relief or consolation at all. It will be a sad, sad day the club has to resort to appointing Sam Allardyce to save its Premier League skin.

This man is a disaster for our long term ambitions. Once he accomplishes his mission of avoiding relegation, he will be eventually eased out. But he almost always leaves behind long term issues.

And our board, in all their wisdom, are not able to find an alernative.

What a sad, sad indictment.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:44:56
Michael (#22) and Rob (#41), can't help but agree, but it turns my stomach.

Seeing that man on our sideline will be like having root canal without an anesthetic, but if the tooth is saved, it'll eventually be worth it.

And hopefully we'll have a better man aboard in the summer.

Joe O'Brien
56 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:45:44
Don't know why we didn't go for Dyche. We could have got him and he would have got us organised for sure. I also think he wanted the job.
Greg Hasbrouck
57 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:18
Big Sam is the right call at this point. Prying either Silva or Dyche from their respective clubs will take time... time we do not have with 9 games coming up before the transfer window opens. We are in a relegation scrap and we need someone to see us through it. Big Sam is the right man to do that.

I suspect this didn't happen earlier because he wanted a long-term deal and we wanted to rent him. Now I suspect we will give him a long-term deal and pay him off in the summer time.

John Graham
58 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:20
Gerry (#47) why does he need an ex Everton player as his side kick? We need to get away from just giving someone a job because they played for Everton.

Now, everyone, take off your blue-tinted glasses and think what we need to make this club great again.
John Harrop
59 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:59
If this happens, it's been precipitated by our amateurish board. We could have looked at other options, not fancy elite foreign coaches, but practical managers serving up decent, winning football. Now it's probably been left too late, so the board has to turn to Allardyce. Shocking!
Dennis Stevens
60 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:48:08
Boardroom incompetence leading to boardroom panic leading to boardroom incompetence!
Matthew Williams
61 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:49:34
If the club really do monitor social media and with this being the best Blues site there is... let me spell it out to the fuckwits called our board.

No to Sam and his million and one backroom staff!

Get on the blower to Bramall Lane NOW... Chris Wilder is the bloke who can stop this rot and turn it round pronto...

On your head be it, Mr Moshiri!!!

...sigh.

Steve Pugh
62 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:51:36
Sky News + Suckers = SkyBet

They leak it – idiots bet on it – they make money.

I don't understand why people take any notice at all.

Eric Paul
63 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:52:40
We don't have Allardyce type players so what's he going to do with a bunch of kids.
Tom Dodds
64 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:53:34
To all the people screaming that they don't want Allardyce on here, I'll give you THE list of other candidates available right now and before the end of the season:

1.
2.
3.
etc.

Now can it.

Steve McNally
65 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:54:12
I'm sure Moshiri has made real efforts to get the right manager in but, the likelihood, is that they've all politely declined because of the quality of our squad; and, the obvious lack of team morale. Do we stick with Unsworth with results beings as they are, or, do we appoint Allardyce as a last resort?

I think the answer is plain to see. Stick and we go down, twist and we might just stay up. I, like most Evertonians, am completely underwhelmed by everything Everton ATM; but, that said, desperately want them to stay in the Premier League.

Tony Hill
66 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:54:30
I think, if appointed, that he will have us playing attractive, winning football by the end of the season. I realise this is an isolated view but I believe Allardyce will do far better than is feared, and I also believe that he understands what an opportunity this is for him. I do not think he is motivated by money.

I would give him the length of contract he requires with appropriate break clauses depending on performance.

We will be all right.

Charlie Lloyd
67 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:55:06
I agree why not Dyche.

Allardyce would be a signing that smacks of desperation.

Oh hang on we are desperate.

To all those who have negative thoughts about Allardyce I understand the reservation but what we are watching right now is utter shite and it’s relegation written all over it.

Guys wake up and realise this is THAT serious.

Mark Riley
68 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:56:37
What's the alternative? Dyche and Silva (who we can't get anyway) have both relegated Premier League clubs. Tuchel has no Premier League experience.

Yes it is a shit situation but we're in it so you need to take the right steps to get out of it. The season is a write off. Premier league safety is the primary goal.

As for people saying they're not coming again... Christ... grow up.

John Pierce
69 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:57:02
Our best players this year have been the youngsters and Niasse.

Have you ever seen an Allardyce team with kids in it? Nope.

We have to play the younger players as we have no cover. Come January they get shunted to the side, some middling pros on big wages lumber in and the door is shut on the promising players.

And what then if we still go down and expect those kids to get us back up as the other fuckers get to walk away. Or we stay up, and the path the the first is blocked by Sam's 'effing big head.

The fella and his crew are bad bellends. You think you are trading a short term fix for survival, you are not, you are hurting the evolution of a club that gives good young players a chance.

Never Allardyce.

Roy Noon
70 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:58:06
Not my choice, but who else, without the protracted tug of war are we going to get. Corrupt and not the most likeable of characters. Let's hope he can kick some of those lazy disorganised arse in to shape.

Assuming you've got the job, Big Sam, good luck to yer, lad. Keep us in the Premier League. That'll do for me, for the moment.

Ian Pilkington
71 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:58:24
Fat Sam must surely only be a short term option until the end of the season, unpalatable but necessary after yesterday's disaster. Appointing Dyche or Villas-Boas would take time, probably into next week, immediately before the Derby. Regrettably, if this desperate uncertainty continues with Unsy still in nominal charge, the two forthcoming six pointers are likely to be lost.

Moshiri must learn from this debacle and immediately commence a review of the club from top to bottom, starting with Kenwright. After nearly 19 years in charge his sole achievement has been the avoidance of relegation, which now looks horribly realistic unless the rot is stopped immediately.

Why he was retained as Chairman after Moshiri became the majority shareholder remains a mystery, but surely he must step down now and take a back seat, enough is enough.

Dennis Stevens
72 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:59:01
Aye, John – short-term fix, maybe, but long-term fucked!
Winston Williamson
73 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:59:48
It's the board who have:

1. Dampened expectations for 20 odd years
2. Given us average managers
3. Sold our best players
4. Bought shite for too much money
5. Got us in a position where no decent manager will touch us
6. Have created a position where 20% and growing of TW'ers want fat Sam

I'm half out as it is, as I just cannot stand much more of Kenwright killing this club, but if Sam A comes to the club, I'm out completely! it's just not the club I started supporting..

Chris Keher
74 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:00:13
Fine by me.

I think Sam gets an unfairly hard time off most football fans.

I saw quite a lot of Bolton when he there and they could play some good stuff. They could also be dog rough to watch but he has never had squads packed out with options so injuries always hit his teams hard and they revert to grinding out results.

He brought in some class over there (Anelka, Djorkaeff, Okocha, Hierro) and did try to play football quite often.

And we are almost guaranteed to not go down and he will leave the club in a much better place when he leaves.

Tony Williams
75 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:02:20
Awful, dire straits, what a way to run a club.
Phil Stockford
76 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:02:54
Big Sam is by far the best option to keep us in the Premier League, should have been appointed weeks ago. We need an ex defender to sort out our shambles at the back. If we are mid table at the end of the season we should all be happy after this disaster of a start.
Stuart Obee
77 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:03:40
I cannot believe I am about to say this but here goes i think we should hire Tony Pulis.

Given what happened at West Brom he has a point to prove so a deal til the end of the season may be the perfect solution

He gets a chance to restore some of his reputation by again going to a club sorting out the defence and moving them away from relegation. We get longer to dither over who we want long term and don't have to be held to ransom by Sam Allardyce.

He is probably the only manager in the world that would enjoy sorting out our defensive mess

Seems a win win to me.

Kelvin Thomas
78 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:04:41
Why not Allardyce? Because his teams play long balls?

I would like anybody on here to try and define our style of play over the past 3 years. From Martinez to Koeman, from possession to pressing... all bollocks.

This group of players need a clear and direct approach. Back to basics and build from there.

Welcome on board, Mr Allardyce, even though it's 4 weeks late.

Phil Walling
79 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:04:44
For all our misgivings only results matter now ! Allardyce may be the devil incarnate but our great club has lost it's self-respect under the joint leadership of Kenwright and Moshiri and, in my view, will never be as 'sacred' as it always been to most of us on here.

Survival is all that counts – it's good name has been sold to make some dubious people very, very rich!

The magic is gone.

Colin Glassar
80 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:05:02
Jim White is, almost, confirming it. Enjoy sexy football and lots of chewy munching.
James Stewart
81 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:05:43
To all those saying "who else?" "no other option" blah blah.

Dyche has a release clause of £2.5m, very much someone we could have got.

Julian Exshaw
82 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:06:28
This is like being told as a kid that you're getting something special for Christmas. You wait or 5 weeks and then you see on Christmas morning it's a pair of socks!
Mark Morrissey
83 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:07:26
Well I'm sorry to say that I for one am glad. We've been rudderless since last summer. I'm still happy that Koeman was sacked but less so that Big Sam will take the role but he is better than the others that the board have managed to convince to come to us ie none and so I'll say welcome to Sam and Dave Unsworth can go back to his level or dip his toe into the Championship.

Thanks for trying but it wasn't enough. It's a sad day all round but perhaps Sam can improve himself by being at what will be his biggest job in football. NSNO
James Hughes
84 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:07:35
If this it what it takes t keep us up, then we need to get on with it and appoint him.

Collectively we have buried our heads in the sand and believed we are bigger than we are. What we are right now is a mess, a joke and an accident that has happened already. The consequences of the accident, we will find out over the coming weeks and months.

It has been said many times but who had control over the transfers. The wrong players for the wrong positions huge amounts of money spent and no team at the end of the process. Whoever had the final say needs kicking out of the club right now with no compo.

(I believe this was highlighted by David Barks early in the window. I duly buried my head in the sand, so apologies David, if I have the right poster.)

Over the years we have seen some shit teams but at least they 'put in a shift' At present the team are all hiding and not willing to take responsibility. They need an introduction to the night stick, the one the coppers use to carry at the ground.

Even rhino has been left hanging by the club, what is that going to do to his confidence in the future?

I have never liked slagging off our club but right now we are in disarray

Keith Monaghan
85 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:08:22
IF TRUE THIS IS AWFUL & AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT!

KENWRIGHT OUT WITH ROONEY, FERGUSON, JEFFERS, BAXTER, EBBRELL etc.

Jim Lloyd
86 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:09:00
Well, we can discuss who or whowould not would make the best manager for Everton, all day long. But none of us have to make the decision. We don't know who has been approached and knocked us back, except the Watford Board have reportedly warned us off their manager.

No performance so far this season, except when Oumar come on and we beat Watford, has given any indication that we can steer away from relegation. As for the young players, it looks to me that they are already suffering under the burden of trying to stop the slide.

If Alladyce comes, then it is for one purpose only and that it to keep us up. What players we get in January, and we need about half a team of them, have the same job; keep us up. That is the Top Bloody Priority for this club.

The kids will get mangled if they end up in a relegation fight and I'm sure many of us have seern it happen before during bad times with previous managers.

It is for certain, that whoever comes in, we need to get behind the team and the manager.

Unless you don't mind us going down, of course.

Barry McNally
87 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:10:01
Show me another manager with a 100% record at international level!

We should get behind him – harshly treated at Newcastle and West Ham.

Christy Ring
88 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:11:24
Now that Sam is back in the frame, Moshiri was talking through his arse about a managerial appointment being close, in his discussion with Jim White, God's answer to football. I still can't understand why Dyche was never approached, I reckon he would have jumped at the chance, even now.
Tony Twist
89 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:12:03
So much for our dreams, this is more like a nightmare. This meaning the state that is the football team. As with all our managers I will judge him on his results. We need to get behind him and his team because if we don't we will be partly guilty of sending us down.

If he comes and fails then Walsh is gone also as big Sam was his recommendation. The board and Walsh have been at fault for our present situation in a big way unfortunately it comes to us fans to raise the roof whenever the blues play and hope our luck turns.

Gavin Johnson
90 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:12:40
Allardyce has said he won't join on a 6 month deal so what's the point in signing him on a long term deal?! Just bring in Sean Dyche. They're both organisers and Dyche has the potential to be so much more. I actually think it's a disservice to Dyche putting him in the same bracket as Big Sam.
Noleen Daya
91 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:13:49
That's it for me then. I shall cast my eye upon Huddersfield. I refuse to support a crook and an all round despicable man. My heart will always belong to Everton, but it will have to wait until this classless twat leaves before it starts pumping again.
Mike Hughes
92 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:16
For those calling Big Sam corrupt, consider this:

Martinez was a fraud, a snake-oil salesman, who talked out of his arse and took us for £10m and backwards.

Koeman was passionless, alienated several players, bought duds with massive investment and took us for £millions and backwards.

Perhaps it's time to get off the high horse with respect to Big Sam?

Roger Percy
93 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:18
Steady on now, fellow Blues...

Look at all the teams he has saved who have gone on to do bigger and better things;

Sunderland
Crystal Palace
Err.. hmm... :-/

Colin Glassar
94 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:35
I’ve just given my son his Christmas present as I don’t think I’ll make it to crimbo now. Too depressed.
Tony Williams
95 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:54
According to Moshiri, we are going to have money to spend in January.

If Allardyce is going to spend it, is he just a temporary replacement?

Jack Convery
96 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:17:11
Will someone please wake me up from this nightmare. Next thing I'll be naked sitting in the Park End – not a pretty sit !!

So were are now a salvage job. From a well stocked Destroyer ready to take on all comers we have become a hulk wallowing around on an incoming tide in a Force 12 gale and only Capt Pugwash can save us. Reef Sails Mr Christian Reef Sails.

John Keating
97 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:17:59
Brian Ronson 14 spot on.
Stuart Sharp
98 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:20:26
Fully agree with everyone on here how embarrassing this is. Painful, even. But to those who will stop supporting if the (very) big man gets the job... Can I buy your season ticket off you?
Colin Glassar
99 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:22:03
I honestly think Moshiri is willing to take a hit and give him his two and a half year contract knowing that he’ll have to pay him off in the summer.

Surviving this season is probably worth the millions Sam will walk away with in the summer.

Les Martin
101 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:22:36
As much as I like Sean Dyche the Everton board are not convinced otherwise he would be sat behind a desk at FF now.

As for big Sam, it what we need at present, someone who sets up his teams not to concede, and organises well. Read his Premier League survival plan that he discussed which was highlighted on Sky's Monday Night Show 12 September 2017, interesting and makes a lot of sense. There will be no nonsense with this bloke like him or loathe him.

Does he get bad press? Well, yes, he made an arse of himself in the England job, but you cant knock the effect he has had on poor teams and sorting them out, also at Bolton they had some really exciting moments and he is no long ball tactician.

I suggest if you do your research on the web you may be amazed how many ex players sing his praises as being ahead of his time and a very shrewd operator.

Being at Everton could be very interesting as he has never had the good fortune to walk into a top club, which we can become. Its hard sorting out relegation fodder and easy with a team of superstars!

The Premier League is no tickling competition and we need someone who does not mind a dust up.

If he gets appointed then lets get behind him as we may yet grow to love the big Fella, surely we cant play any worse than we are doing now?

Mark Daley
103 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:23:17
My aunty sometimes gets Harry Catterick coming through on her ouija board. She's not busy over the next few weeks, shall I see if she'd do it?
John Pierce
104 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:25:43
What most people are missing his Sam’s ego. He wants a longer contract, sure most people believe thats okay cos he gets to walk away after six months with two years salary.

Nah, this nasty grifter thinks he’s good enough to take a big club on. This is his chance, biggest club job he’s ever had.

This is no short term job for Sam he wants redemption. For those gipping at thought that they can just about stomach six months for pragmatic reasons, I believe he wants too stay well beyond that.

Never Allardyce.

Phil Parker
105 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:26:14
Right appointment at this time. The performances this season have been worse than when Mike Walker was in charge. Spurs and Arsenal, at Goodison this season, both could have scored 8 or more and not been flattered.

We must stay up. At the moment, nothing else matters to me and all the Blues I know.

Paul McIntyre
106 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:26:49
5 weeks ago I'd have happily chopped off parts of my body to stop big Sam being manager. Now I'd be almost relieved and glad to get him. That's what EFC have done to me – thanks.

Should have got Dyche though..

Kevin Tully
108 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:27:46
We are that bad, we are left with very little choice. I can't believe how this team have disintegrated before our very eyes, it's like watching Everton turn to dust. Until people realise how serious this is, you will then acknowledge we need someone of Allardyce's ilk to try and rescue the situation.

He's not my choice for manager, but it look increasingly like we sacked Koeman, and only then thought about what to do next. What an absolute shambles.

Colin Glassar
109 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:28:42
Bloody hell, John, that's a scary thought. I could probably swallow him for 6 months but no more than that.
Jim Lloyd
110 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:29:20
Criminal? When was he convicted in a court of law? The man has done what a lot of other men have doen, both inside football, and outside. There's one thing to keep in mind and that is our survival.

Who knows if we haven't tried to get Sean Dyche? All we know is we are in the mire.

Thomas Rigby
113 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:34:32
I cannot believe the reaction to Allardyce. Complaining about his style of football? What type of football have we seen this season from the Blues... it has been nothing short of pathetic and disgraceful.

People are entitled to their opinions... even that they prefer we go down but I could never accept that. Allardyce has one hell of a job and will probably need 4/5 weeks to make his influence felt but I am hoping that he can bring back some discipline and confidence to the squad. I trust him to bring in 3/4 new players in January because the present personnel will not get us out of this catastrophic mess.

He outlined his footballing ideas on Sky a few weeks ago:

Defence the No 1 priority.
Don't lose the ball in your own half
Try to make your 1st pass forward.
Midfield support the striker.
Try to get people running behind opposition defence.
Try to make opponents turn round.
Do not give the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball

Most people on here seem to think his style of play his beneath us but I seem to remember quite a few top European footballers enjoying playing for him during his Bolton days.

His training methods have always been innovative and he was at the forefront of applying medical advances to help individual player development. Yet he is dismissed as some kind of Neanderthal.

Oh he shows no fear of the so called top 6 managers.He does not moan about only having a knife in a gun fight instead he makes life as hard as possible when facing the "elite".

If he does take over I hope that he is given a great welcome at Goodison unfortunately it appears that I am in a small minority. That saddens me. Personally I would have preferred Silva but it is what it is so we should give him our full support.

Philip Braithwaite
114 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:34:38
Fat Sam sets up not to concede.

Only problem is, we do not have the personnel able not to concede. Perhaps he can set us up to score six a game!!!

Rick Pattinson
115 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:09
I'd take Big Sam any day but he should have it written in his contract he has to grow a mustache. No mustache, no job. Simple.
Jack Convery
116 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:16
Anyone ever watched the Spike Milligan sketch that ends with the cast walking towards the camera all saying what are we going to do next. It's bloody hilarious but not when its the EFC board and real life. WE ARE A JOKE – A NATIONAL JOKE. Well done Kenwright / Moshiri. Thomas the Tank Engines boss is now our boss if the reports are true.
Paul Kossoff
117 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:58
I was going to withdraw my support for Everton if Allardyce got the job, but it's my club and I'll support the club who ever the manager is.

I just wish the players gave as much care as the fans do.

Ken Kneale
118 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:11
Whatever the appointment, and wherever we finish, the critical issues here are boardroom incompetence over the last 27 years. Retention and recruitment suffering the whole of that time and now a perfect storm of incompetence on high, combined with nepotism in player and coaching recruitment.

Added soulless squad members drawing a wage whilst we rage with anger, upset and frustration at the incompetence on show. The Board needs replaced urgently with people who can show acumen. We cannot let those responsible off the judgement call.

Mike Price
119 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:51
He’ll save us, that’s all that matters. If we don’t go this route we’re relegated and would be bottom 6 in the Championship next season.
Dyche should have been brought in a month ago though.
Paul A Smith
120 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:54
If he does come we will be aggressive. That's one little factor we have struggled at. I am not against this at all. I think hes been harshly criticised by people who follow trend.

In general, he goes to teams and makes them better. Isn't that what we need?

Thomas Rigby that is a great post mate. Very open minded and willing to accept where we are.

Darren Hind
121 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:18
Mike (#92),

Three wrongs don't make a right.

Kelvin Thomas
122 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:27
I agree with Les Martin @101.

This set of players need a clear game plan, more importantly a game plan thats within their skill set.

Back to basics. Exactly what they need at present. Review over the summer if it isn't already to late!

John Nugent
123 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:33
This morning the heavy rumour was AVB...

Now it's this fat crook.

WTF????

Mark Burton
124 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:57
I would go with big Sam because I remember how Bolton were a difficult side to get a result against. Everybody wants to play Everton now. Bring him in.
Paul A Smith
125 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:40:54
Right now, I love the fact he's dirty and I love the fact he will have his team aggressive and full of desire.

I want to see the Everton I grew up with build its heart again.

Dave Williams
126 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:41:31
An ideal appointment given the circumstances. He is not a criminal and is no more corrupt than most managers in all likelihood.

He will sort us out and with some decent players to work with he may just surprise us. That said, we are so awful, he might turn it down.

Ed Fitzgerald
127 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:41:33
A list of candidates we could of and should of approached before dealing with this crook

David Wagner, Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Chris Wilder, Gary Rowett, Chris Hughton to name but a few

The club's leadership is dire, it lacks strategy, foresight. We appoint this clown and we deserve every bit of stick the RS throw at us.

Jack Convery
128 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:42:21
Once this crisis is over and lets hope it ends well, the board must be brought to book over this season and the money wasted on fees and wages.
Rick Pattinson
129 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:43:33
He will bring fight. He will bring organisation and won't be afraid to upset a few of the under performing girls. We won't play pretty football under him but he will save us. Sad but we need him folks... it's that end bad.
Mark Taylor
130 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:43:37
I agree with the general view that he may not be what we would ideally want, but we are not exactly an attractive proposition right now for the people we might want.

And what is very clear at present is that above all else, we need change, wholesale change, because a rot has well and truly set in. And it needs to go beyond removing Unsworth who is frankly just a fall guy who has been out of his depth in a near impossible situation.

Walsh needs to go. He has been lamentable and now need to be held accountable. And it really is now time, if he truly loves the club, for Kenwright to go. We need absolute clarity in leadership right now, not Kenwright hanging around weeping.

The one thing with Allardyce, for all his faults, is he has the presence and ego to lead. He needs to report direct to Moshiri, not through anyone else. And Moshiri needs to re-engage because it is his money (or his boss, Usmamov's if you believe the rumours) that is going up in smoke if we go down. Offloading a few under performers the squad might also send a message – let's face it, there's a pretty big pool to choose from.

That is the kind of shock needed to jolt the club out of its death spiral. Because as they say, the definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the outcome to change.

Keith Gleave
131 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:44:44
As much as I don't want BIG Sam, his baggage and his style of play, shipping 9 goals in the last two games has shown the dire straits we are in. He can stop the rot and there will be discipline and effort. So if he is appointed then take a deep breath and lets get behind the team and make Goodison the fortress it has been and move up that table.
Paul A Smith
132 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:46:48
Mads 102. He hasn't been to jail but you know what is criminal for me, Everton players allowing fans to pay for a game they have no intention of trying in.

I am daft and love all Evertonians no matter how much we bug each other, so i'd advise you as a fellow fan to get behind him and us and forget about things off the field that will never affect us personally.

Andrew McLean
133 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:47:42
Towards the end of last season my interest in EFC had waned. Admittedly I had other things in my life taking up my time. I had hoped that the Europa League run would ignite an interest and I hoped to be able to travel to Goodison this season.

Though the transfer values, salaries, team and player performances, selections and excuses from the beginning of the season I lost virtually all interest in EFC.

I was in the bookies when I read the teamsheet against Southampton and for the first time in my 32 years of being a fan I came close to betting against EFC.

Yes, a replacing a striker was a key factor, but you have to have 11 players on the field. Choosing Calvert-Lewin upfront against seasoned pros is not the answer. Sandro is a proven La Liga scorer and Rooney has so much experience, yet Unsworth chose neither. With the exception of selecting a few different names in the starting eleven (it's a separate matter whether they were right or wrong). Unsworth has proven that he isn't that much different from Koeman.

If the situation requires the appointment of Big Sam. Then that's me done with EFC.

Kelvin Thomas
134 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:48:18
Ricky@129; I agree;

When did we last see Everton playing pretty football?
Martinez's first season?

Any sort of football would be nice. I'd welcome the long ball game at present!

Craig Walker
135 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:50:20
The day we appoint Allerdyce is the day we might as well give up as a football club and hand the footballing rights of the city over to the RS. It would be a joke if it were funny. You launch long balls to a non-existent centre forward against teams like City, Spurs and the RS and you won't get the ball back. Their forward lines will rip us to shreds. We have two players who are sent away from training for not caring but get given starting positions a few weeks later.

How will we score from set pieces? I know, sign Andy Carroll in January. I'm yet to be convinced that playing a more direct style will lead to better results. Our £45m record signing still takes a corner and puts it into the keeper's hands.

Even from a commercial point of view, it doesn't make sense. We sold a record number of season tickets for this season and for the first time ever, had a waiting list in the thousands. Can you see us doing that again, even if by some miracle we are plying our trade in the Premier League next season with hoofball and percentage-football?

I feel sick. I can't be arsed any more to debate things and argue with fellow Evertonians and go over our proud history again and again because it's all we have. It's just completely pointless. We're just making up the numbers. A middle-of-the-road football club with a proud history a loyal fanbase an out-of-date club motto. Happy to just exist, go out of the cups to concentrate on safety and play on the same field as clubs with much more ambition.

Everton FC RIP.

Brent Stephens
136 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:50:57
Off topic, sorry but Peter Barry lives in Bali. Volcano threat. Hope you're not threatened / inconvenienced by this, Peter.
Tahir Abdullah
137 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:51:30
Get him in already; a hugely underrated manager is Fat Sam.
William Cartwright
138 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:51:47
So much high moral posturing, even if sincere and with reason, really does not cut it for me. The manager in many ways should be seen but not heard. Anonymous except in his ability to get results.

The seasons aspirations have moved on from the Europa Cup back door entry to the Champions League, to survival in the Premier League. I don't think Allardyce is the best choice by far, but given where we are he is a realistic option to achieve that target.

I support Everton (not Bill Kenwright, Moshiri, Elstone or any other self serving bugger). I will give the Club my continued support, whoever manages or plays for them. Will I enjoy it? Probably not, but in good times or bad I am still an Everton supporter.

Allardyce, not my choice, but will start with a clean slate as far as I am concerned. Probably the most dissapointing aspect of the recent farcical events has been the complete stupidity of Unsy. Proudly announcing he talks to the Chairman 3 times a day, and telling the world that there were players from the Atalanta fiasco who would be excluded from the Southampton game (but forgot to mention it would be the best player); what a simply stupid, stupid way to behave.

Give it your best shot Mr Allardyce knowing that if we get some results, clear out the dross, bring in some tough guys to achieve the necessary results then good for you. If you don't achieve the necessary, and do a Martinez or Koeman and take the Club fo a ride, then what will be will be. . . . . .

I sort of have a feeling that you won't be talking with Kenwright that often but will take your own counsel.

David Connor
139 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:52:07
Get him in ASAP. Staying up under a no-nonsense dodgy manager is better than relegation under former nice blue, or an incompetent foreign fuckwit, wins for me every time. You never know – we may just do the impossible at Anfield and come away with a point or 3... We can only dream.
Tony Abrahams
140 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:53:03
I also agree with Thomas Rigby, and what Tony Hill said as well. Watching us yesterday I find it amusing that people think we are too good for the likes of “Big Fat SAM” because we are a fucking disgrace at the minute.

Too many people have got an easy life at Everton, and to watch our old boys on the bench yesterday, shows you that's it's not what you know, but who you know, when it comes to getting a job on Everton's coaching staff.

Paul A Smith
141 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:53:16
I hope the same people knocking his appointment (if it happens) are the same people who were playing fantasy football and loving the fact "lazy" Lukaku was going.

And Klaassen was a great idea to shut Barkley out. And we bought well and Steve Walsh and Koeman know better than everyone.

The Dodgy bugger will know a striker or 2 as well.

Mike Gaynes
142 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:57:04
Tom #64:

Maybe you're the one who should "can it" mate.

The following managers are currently available:

1. Pulis
2. Bilic
3. AVB
4. Labbadia
5. Luis Enrique
6. Tuchel
7. Mazzari
8. Laurent Blanc
9. Nouri
10. Pepe Mel

Not necessarily promoting any of these, just pointing out that the idea that Bellowing Sam is the only available choice is just flat wrong.

Jamie Evans
143 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:57:19
He's the only option, what choice do we have, etc, etc. Shame on yourselves. I take it we've exhausted all other alternatives then. Ancellotti must have said no. As did AVB? And Dyche? Please Big Sam can you bring Little Sammy with you just to complete the mirth?

Tony @ 64, please please please be correct.

Martin Berry
144 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:08
I said on the live match forum yesterday I watch every match expecting this is the game that will kick start our season but every match it gets worse. I am genuinely worried that we could be relegated and in turn lose the new stadium. We need to act now and if Sam is the man so be it.
Jon Withey
145 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:09
At this point, we are in a relegation scrap – it's Silva, Dyche or Allardyce that knows about that.

Silva isn't available.

Anybody who has been any sort of manager knows that the hardest thing is being dropped into a new situation with a load of unknowns and be expected to affect change quickly. Dyche has built up Burnley over time but Sam has managed to drop in and organise Premier League teams effectively several times over.

It's sad that we are where we are but given that as a starting point then Allardyce is a sensible choice.

Still worried we'll get relegated though – the team is shocking.

Kim Vivian
146 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:26
I may a fantasiser but I am still holding hopes for Silva on Wednesday. Hang in there.
Will Firstbrook
147 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:37
While the appointment of a manager is paramount (and long overdue) I am very doubtful whether that alone will be enough to stabilize things in the short/medium term. Setting aside for a moment our bizarre obsession of accumulating an abundance of CMs and trying to convert them into wingers, for several weeks now we've witnessed teams exploit our criminal lack of pace especially in the wide areas of the pitch. For several players, their legs have simply gone and they need to be moved on – end of. Problem is the number who fall into that category is alarmingly high.

Management's failure to properly identify and bring in players with the necessary attributes needed to address the obvious weaknesses/imbalance in our squad will only be resolved through a major player overhaul. The rot has truly set in. You can't treat it you need to cut it out and sharpish. The manner in how this team capitulates (almost before a ball is kicked) requires more that the introduction of Big Sam, Tuchel, Silva etc to ensure we avoid the unthinkable this year. Everyone knows that teams who can't keep the ball out of their own net go down. We seemingly cannot close down crosses and cannot pick up and mark targets properly in the box. Both of those issues can be addressed but not with the personnel we have now. We will need to sort out the attacking side of our game at some point but it's not the priority.

I am equally, if not more, concerned about how the club is ensuring the right reinforcements are brought in January to steady the ship and more importantly keep us away from the drop zone. They made a right bollocks of it in the summer and I don't think that was all down to Koeman. If any of the those remaining chuckleheads are calling the shots in this critical window, well I am not hopeful.

David Metcalf
148 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:45
If there's one manager right now who might just get us out of this mess,it's Allardyce!!I Let's get this straight... we're in a total mess on the pitch, and if some of the rumours we're hearing are true, it's no better off the pitch!!

On top of that, we are a football club that has won sweet bloody FA for 22 years!! What the hell gives us the right to think that appointing Allardyce is somehow beneath us??

Wake up and smell the coffee, folks – we're in serious trouble right now!!And whatever anyone thinks of Allardyce, his track record of keeping clubs in the Premier League is indisputable.

Besides, ask yourselves this question what club that has ever been managed by him are now in a better position than when he was in charge??

Bolton?... no way!!

Newcastle?? They were fucking relegated 16 months after Ashley sacked him to bring Keegan back!!

Blackburn??...the Venkys' sacking of Allardyce is proving to be the biggest cock up they've made at Ewood Park,and they've made plenty!!

West Ham?? yeah,they've not looked back since Big Sam left, have they?? Gone from strength to strength NOT!!Sunderland?? need I say more??!!

Crystal Palace?? Look at the league table!! And just like Sunderland, they're now on their 2nd/3rd manager since Allardyce left.

Get him in ASAP, and get him kicking a few arses and taking no shit from the skivers and wastrels who are stealing a fucking living from MY club, YOUR club, and OUR club right now!!

And if being boring, nasty and ugly keeps us up, who cares? We'll think about that at the end of the season. After all, Joe's Dogs of War hardly passed and entertained their way to safety back in 1994-95,did they??

Jer Kiernan
149 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:00:38
What if this dud comes in roars at all these useless money grabbers and we still get relegated. Everybody is assuming he is going to keep us up. He had players at Bolton like Nolan and Davies, there is nobody in our squad like this.

Shocking decision if it's to be believed

Rob Halligan
150 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:02:27
Allardyce was, and never has been my choice of manager. I went as far as sending an email to Robert Elstone voicing my anger at the thought of appointing Allardyce. I never did get a reply by the way (Thanks Elstone, you twat).

However, if Allardyce is appointed, then we all need to get behind him and the team. Let me just say this, it is the eleven players in the royal blue shirt of Everton that we all love and support. It is Everton football club that we all love and support. Just like players, managers come and go. Managers are mere employees of the club.

When big Sam (jeez I've started to like him already) gets us moving up the table, we will all say what a fantastic appointment.

Finally, regarding some posters on this thread, and other threads, who have threatened to stop going if Allardyce is appointed, well your choice. Don't forget to hand your season ticket back into the box office after the game on Wednesday. Proper supporters and Everton football club won't be begging you to change your mind. YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.

Eddie Dunn
151 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:03:53
Interesting if it happens. TalkSport had Sam on prior to the last rumours, Jim White was almost pimping the guy out to Moshiri. Their has obviously been some prevarication in the boardroom and Silva was going to take too long, as was Dyche.

Unsworth could have bought them the time they needed for the other two or another but Unsie just lacked the authority to really make demands on the team.

Now, if Sam comes in everyone will know he is here for 2 or three years and not going to go away.

I hope he can put the boot up some asses and get the backline functioning. I also hope he knows a big striker who can hold the ball up.

He ain't my first choice, but we just need someone to manage this rabble.

Ray Said
153 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:06:02
The long term appointment we need is someone like David Dein to run the whole club, appoint a manager and get us off the decline we are in.
Kunal Desai
154 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:06:57
The one thing that must be removed from this club is the motto:

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum – RIP.

This club is fucked. Two frauds in Moshiri and Kenwright running the club.

I hope fat Sam goes the way of Martinez and Koeman and screws every penny out of those two pricks.

James Hopper
155 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:07:27
Frigging Allardyce again. A fat man who hasn't achieved anything except punch above his weight with Bolton years ago.

He jumped off sinking ships at Newcastle and Blackburn (and so has never been relegated) and was hated by his own fans at West Ham.

He still managed to get the England job and then fucked it up after one game (illegal or not!)

It's still only November and until Sunday we were just one win off 10th place. We're not dead-bottom in March and so, despite our dreadful run and performances, there is no need to panic with an Allardyce appointment.

Mancini, Tuchel, Bielsa, Dyche, Hiddink, Silva, Rangnick, Villas-Boas or even David Wagner – can we really not entice any of these even short-term? If not, I do worry that our problems in the boardroom dwarf those we have on the pitch!

Gary Carter
156 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:07:44
Let's be honest, Unsworth can't carry on, totally out of his depth.

Doesn't look like we've even tried for Ancelotti, Mancini or Pellegrini who are all proven winners in the Premier League.

Tuchel, Rangnick and Simeone would all be huge gambles, the latter being a complete pipe dream anyway.

Silva and Dyche, why, if anything they are worse managers than Allardyce. Less proven, less success. Silva's had 2 half decent months, for God's sake.

For me Allardyce is the obvious choice at this current stage of the season, get over it!

Brian Smith
157 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:26
Should have had big Sam in 5 weeks ago. He will sort out prima donnas and some of the inflated egos at the club.
It's time for back to basics.

It will be a huge wake up call for Schneider and Mirallas et al. We need a period of stability before we can think about moving forward.

Not sure Sam has ever had the opportunity of a "big" club and some money to spend. I would be happy to give him a contract for a few years but, as always, dump him if he doesn't deliver but I see no problem sticking with him if the club is moving forward.

As for him being a crook, I think it is naive to think it is not rife in the premier league it's just that Sam got caught. Doesn't make it right but puts it in perspective.

John Kavanagh
158 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:36
So 5 weeks on we will now end up paying Crystal Palace £2 million compo for taking on Big Sam and on top of this he will hold out for a 2-year plus deal (for even more money than the £9 million he reportedly first demanded no doubt).

Anyone thinking that Big Sam will suddenly transform a defence with what is now effectively one full back (I don't count Martina) and two ageing centre backs who would be outjumped by Mini Me in an aerial dual is delusional. Even Mourinho or Guardiola would struggle with that lot (thanks to Koeman) – it is like asking Michelangelo to sculpt David out of bat guano.

I feel desperately sorry for Unsworth who has taken on problems that everyone accepts cannot really begin to be addressed until January, only to be turned on by many on here who should know better. He should have chickened out like a Schneiderlin, but he loves the club too much.

Thanks to our board, we are now likely to be in the hands of the biggest mercenary in football.

At least our long quest for trophies will soon be over. I fully expect Kenwright, Moshiri and Walsh to sweep the board at the next British Comedy Awards.

Bobby Mallon
159 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:55
You people need to get a grip. Blah blah I don't want sSm winge winge. Well most of you wanted Koeman look at what he left then you all wanted Unsy now that's working.

You all say he's a horrible git we'll Kenwright is in the same mould and has played toy footy with this club for yrs. Big Sam is a good manager get behind him one day he may even win us something.

Sid Logan
160 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:14:37
If Moshiri can negotiate with Allardyce and agree a contract until the end of the season – probably at some cost – then he will have done well. He has in theory the £10M he didn't have to pay to Watford to secure Silva's release.

If we end up having to agree to a longer term we will have to kiss goodbye to Silva; Villas-Boas or any other decent long term appointment then Moshiri will have failed massively. It will mean, quite simply, he is not, by a long chalk, the man we thought he might be!

Paul A Smith
161 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:15:47
Obviously there are other managers available but that list can easily be shortened by perspective. Do we gamble on a man who has never managed over here. If No. That cuts it down.

Do we go for managers that have managed sides in the top half here with great squads etc etc. We need to go for what we require most and those most suited.

It's okay going for a Mancini when your squad is caked in quality.

Peter Lee
162 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:15:53
Brain Williams
Joseph Edwards
Chris Cole
John Pierce
Tony Dove
Winston Williamson
Noleen Days
Made Lamp

Thanks for all you have done for EFC over the years. I wish you all the best as you search for other clubs to follow.

You'll not be missed, especially you John, who would sooner we were relegated, and you Tony who would see us bottom of the entire league before EFC appointed a manager you dislike.

18 months ago my three choices were José, Rafa and Sam. No chance with Jose. My reasoning was that we had lost all semblance of shape and understanding from goalkeeper to midfield, and not much ahead of that. All three of them make that a priority. It might be percentage football and at times not pretty but it was essential.

The difference between the first two and Sam is that they had the opportunity at big money clubs to develop from there and neither did. Sam hadn't had that chance, he would at Everton. Give him a 2½-year contract and watch.

Brian Smith
164 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:18:20
100% agree Peter Lee
Jerome Shields
165 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:20:02
I preferred it when Everton had a tighter budget, because we are now prey and getting ripped off by all the greedy bastards in professional football. A fool and his money are easily parted,giving me apprehension about the ability of the present regime.

Fat Sam wasn't considered the first time round because he wanted more than a one year contract.which was right. Now they are going back to him and he can see pound signs and a longer contract.His actual record is more lucky, than exciting. My patience is on its last legs.

Mike Price
166 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:20:26
David #148...well said.
Ben Dyke
167 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:21:10
I don't like the man at all but I hope he becomes the boss. We're in that bad a shape I'm afraid. But I disagree with the criticism above about style of play. I'd love to see a punt upfield, a flick on and a friggin goal.

I'd love to see other teams like Arsenal afraid of our physicality. And I also remember his best Bolton sides that finished regularly in the top half having flair players playing a big part like Djorkoeff and Okocha etc

Terry Downes
168 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:22:06
David Metcalf, best post on this thread. Well said.
Iain Johnston
170 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:22:45
How many times has an Allardyce team done us over, this supposed long ball merchant against a supposed more cultured Everton team?

I know, let's ask Moyes and Martinez.

Kenny Smith
171 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:24:01
The thing that pisses me off is that this fucker can now demand what he wants. He holds all the aces, where as when he ruled himself a coupe of weeks ago we did.

Hate to say it, though, he's probably what we need to get out of this fuckin' mess.

Steve Ferns
172 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:24:02
As one of the 17,000 who turned up for Atalanta, if big Sam is appointed I will not go until he is gone.

I'd rather be where Tranmere are than have that man anywhere near my club.

Steven Jones
173 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:25:55
Big Sam has a track record and penchant for highly professional, athletic skilful players from the continent.

So expect the likes of Jay-Jay Okocha, Ivan Campo, Bruno N'Gotty and Youri Djorkaeff in January

Sam also has a reputation for innovation and science.

It would be an amazing turnaround to have Sam save us this season and then go on to build a skilful attacking team.

BTW – he has balls and does not lay down for any of the top six. he is meticulous in his game management planning and is not aversed to giving stars a rollicking.

If he is signed then I want and hope to see the very best traits of Big Sam... boy do we need it!

if Shakespeare comes as well then look forward to seeing high spirits and straight positive talking at Finch Farm.

Come on., you blues!

Mike Hughes
174 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:27:38
Steve Ferns #172

If you'd rather EFC were where Tranmere are than have Allardyce anywhere near EFC, then bye bye.

I'll even give you a lift if you like.

No decent Evertonian wants to see us relegated.

Ben Dyke
175 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:28:44
All you making the pronouncements I'll bet you:

A. You won't donate your season tickets to anyone
B. You'll be back with your tail between your legs when we win 2 in a row under Big Sam
C. You'll regret you said such definitive crap on here

ps: We still love you!

Jim Lloyd
176 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:28:55
What's being fat got to do with anything? He is obviously a respected manager or else he would not have been chosen by England. He did well at Crystal Palace and Bolton, both of them in dire situations, as were West Ham, Newcastle and Blackburn.

It is football management we ought to be concentrating on, not whether someone is a candidate for saint hood or not. He's not, as far as we know, battered any pensioners for their wallets, robbed a bank, stuck cigars out in people's faces, or acted like those pillars of establishment, the banks.

He is a manager who might just get us out of the mess we are certainly in, or would we still prefer that Unsworth be given more time. As for someof the managers on the lists I've seen here AVB, Bilic, Pulis are the only ones with Prem experience, two of them have just been sacked and AVB is in China is he not. The rest? Have they any idea what players would be needed in a prmiership dogfight, because that is where we are.

They might be good but they might equally be useless in the situation we find opurselves in. I'd have hoped Sean Dyche might have come but he may well have, and he's knocked it back. No one could blame him while he is doing such a great job with Burnley and he may well think he can take them further, who knows.

It's a pity Alladyce wasn't brought in before the International Break, so he could have some time to look over the sparkling array of talent we have within our club.

Alan McGuffog
178 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:30:45
Steve 172. These are very trying times for all of us. So with that in mind would you like to consider what you have just said?
David Barks
179 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:30:50
Jim,

Sorry, was Southgate a respected manager before he became England manager? What a joke.

Andrew Presly
180 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:31:39
It’s impossible to stop supporting Everton from an emotional perspective but when or if this Neolithic Crook is appointed I’m withdrawing financial support (Sky / BT / Matches / Merchandise etc) until “this” whatever this nightmare even is ends. A sabbatical.

Don’t do it, Everton. It’s not too late!

Jim Lloyd
181 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:31:51
No joke at all mate. Alladyce was picked because the powers that be reckoned he was a good candidate.
Michael Mcloughlin
182 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:32:28
I just think if its Sam, get on with it.
Colin Glassar
183 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:33:34
Nice to see you back Steve 172. I was snitched on earlier in reference to you.
Gary Grant
184 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:34:11
I don't want to see Everton relegated, and those claiming that they'd rather that than have Big Sam cannot be true fans.

However, if Allardyce is appointed, I'll stay away. The man is corrupt and employing him would say that the club has no moral integrity.

It's not as if he's the only option. Sean Dyche. Chris Wilder. Even Tony bloody Pulis if you just want a similar, temporary firefighter to keep us up.

But if we appoint a man who is known to be as bent as a twelve pound note, just because we're desperate, then the club will grow a little more distant from my heart. This isn't what we are supposed to be about. While I agree relegation would be a disaster, surely ethics and morals have to still play a Parr in football, or the game is irretrievably lost.

Dermot Byrne
185 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:34:47
Seems to me the vital thing to the owner is we stay up or else his stadium plans fold and any long term plan for the club vanishes.

Sam the best available or willing to do that today? Maybe.

This the future forever? Doubtful.

But shit, bad short term and hard to see the long term today.

Roger Helm
186 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:36:42
I am with Thomas (#113). Allardyce has been an innovative coach in the past but what he is good at is getting back to basics – organised defence, play in the opposition half, get bodies forward in attack, get players fit and strong.

He may not be ethically perfect, but this is football we are talking about FFS. Most people in the game up to and including Brian Clough and George Graham have been dodgy to a greater or lesser extent.

We are deep in the shit – no club has yet survived in this league having conceded as many goals as we have by late November – and if we do go down, as seems at present likely, we will not bounce back; we will be down for a long time, like Villa. Personally I would prefer to stay in the Premier League to watching champagne football in the Championship or League One.

Simon Harris
187 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:02
Spot on, Mike – Premier League survival is paramount and Big Sam has form in doing just that.

I would have preferred Dyche but even he is a gamble that Moshiri must feel is a stretch too far given our current mess.

Get if sorted quickly blues and put poor Unsworth out his misery.

Matthew Williams
188 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:07
If Moshiri hires Big Sam, our season goes from bad to worse to fucking Nightmare...
Mark Rimmer
189 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:42
Yes, Big Sam would be a desperation appointment but these are desperate times. If he keeps us up he would gain massive! massive! respect from me. If he gets appointed we should all get behind him because it looks like he's our Obi Wan Kenobi. If we treat him like the Newcastle fans did that'll be it for us.

How about Arteta for next season if we do stay up?

Just realised, that's a lot of ifs.

Paul McIntyre
190 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:38:48
I wondered when Fernsy would join the debate with a typically hyperbolic statement.

I don't like it either but Rovers, Hammers and Barcodes were all comfortable mid table when they parted company with big Sam.

As for bringing youth through? Kevin Nolan worked out okay, despite the abuse I hurled at him for years..

John Graham
191 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:39:18
Let's hope I wake up tomorrow and it's all been a terrible nightmare. How low can we go, can we go down low.

Just shows if we can't pinch a manager as with Martinez (awful) Koeman (awful) and then trying for Silva we can't go out and find our own little gem.

Surely there are lots of young managers around Europe with bright new ideas that we could have taken a chance on. But no matter what happens once a true blue always a true blue.

Might moan a lot but will always give my full support to Everton.
COYB

Sam Hoare
192 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:07
None of this guff about what makes a 'decent Evertonian' thanks. Everyone's entitled to their view right?

Big Sam would be very far down my list personally. The football would be poor, the talented youth would be abandoned and the aspirations limited. There is no guarantee at all that he would make us harder to beat... though admittedly we couldn't be much easier!

If we wish to go down the 'practical' route then surely worth having a good go at Dyche first?

I'm not sure to be honest. Even found myself today thinking that Pulis was a good idea. Dark days.

Ian Pilkington
193 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:47
Ian @170:

December 2005, Everton 0 Bolton 4, ironically Duncan Ferguson had been dropped after an alleged training ground row with Moyes; we finished the season 11th, six points and three places below Bolton.

I was one of the 80% who voted against him, but I agree, needs must.

Kevin Molloy
194 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:51
I don't think he is anymore crooked than the players at the moment taking ridiculous wages for those performances.

Come right in Sam and feel free to kick some arses.

Ed Fitzgerald
195 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:41:59
Thank you Mr. Everton - Rob Halligan for your sanctimonious labelling of fans who may or not may boycott going the game as not proper Evertonians. Perhaps those people are just sickened by the way this club is being run and the appointment of someone who is the antithesis of what our club is meant to stand for. I suppose any fans who currently watch from their armchairs, or can't afford to go, or who live abroad aren't proper Evertonians either? Ffs

Alladyce got his dream job and fucked it up within 60 odd days by being a greedy, corrupt bastard. For those baying for this dinosaur to be appointed who would argue the ends justify the means, history, business and sport is littered with the cases when adopting a short term approach is disastrous for the long term good

There are young available managers with plenty to prove, who would jump at the chance to come here. Our inept leadership of the club has had over a month to sort this out.

Mike Hughes
196 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:42:49
Sam (#192),

None of this guff about everyone's entitled to their view, thanks. Every decent Evertonian is entitled to want us to stay up, right?

Michael Lynch
197 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:42:58
If you're worried about him asking for a long term deal, wise up. Even if he lifts us to 7th by the end of the season we can still bin him off, it will cost us less than quarter of a Klaassen, or maybe a Sandro and a half if you prefer.

A 2½-year contract with the fat crook at £3M a year and I'm sure he'll even bring his own pen (stolen from WH Smith) to the contract signing.

Ben Dyke
198 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:43:17
I'd like to be given a replica of the measuring stick people are using to compare Allardyce's ethics with previous manager's so I can measure round a corner in my house.
Len Hawkins
199 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:45:52
Don't worry about him bringing Kevin Davies in he's the manager of Southport now.
Geoff Lambert
200 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:46:47
All this "I won't go anymore I wont follow Everton any more give my season ticket back".

Get real!!

If he is made manager we are still Everton and I will follow them through thick and thin whoever the manager is.

If you don't want to go or watch anymore there is always other teams you can go watch!!!

Noleen Daya
201 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:46:52
Peter Lee, I will NOT be searching for another club, I merely said I will cast my eye towards Huddersfield in terms of watching results. I am crazy about football and and they are my second team this season anyway.

Everton will ALWAYS be my team but in principle, I will not support FS to glorify his fat ego using our club. I am disgusted with Moshiri. I don't care how many billion he has, he has proven himself to be a typical money man with no heart for football.

I guess in future we'd better be careful what we wish for. We wanted a billionaire and now we have one. Only now we have one who is prostituting our club.
James Macdonald
202 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:48:54
What does this mean for Ross Barkley as big fat Sam didn't pick him in his only England squad. Why not Eddie Howe not least as that would probably mean Bournemouth would go down.
John McFarlane [Snr]
203 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:49:15
Hi Steve [172] I was also at Goodison for the Atalanta game and I'm Sorry to hear that you would stop watching Everton, but I respect your motives for taking your stance. Sam Allardyce would not be my choice as Manager, but my love for Everton is stronger than my dislike of Allardyce, therefore I will be in my seat in the Park End come what may.

On another subject, thanks for inspiring me to put some of my memories on paper, [so to speak] I may have invented "Cyber paper," following my piece on Wally Fielding. There is a contribution on the thread right now, "Favourites aren't always best" but because of the controversy over the Allardyce issue, it may be in danger of being overlooked.

As for your principles, you may not have to carry out your threat, because at the moment no decision has been made. Best wishes whichever way it goes.

Andrew Wayne
204 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:49:46
Allardyce is a long way from the aspirations and optimism we all had in the summer but in my view we are in a relegation battle based not upon how many games we have left or how many points we have now but based upon the quality of the squad and the abject performances we have all witnessed.

There is an outside chance that with the right manager, organisation and motivation we could turn this around. If that is Big Sam then so be it.

James Newcombe
205 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:50:44
I’m still staggered that we’re in this situation at all, after our hopes were built up so high during the early summer window. And now it’s all turned into a huge let down, the likes of which only Everton can deliver.

I never thought we’d have Allardyce in charge, but if he stops us shipping so many goals, and puts a rocket up certain players, then I’m all for it. We are in the shit, make no mistake.

Brent Stephens
207 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:53:44
Not attending games as a protest against any managerial appointment simply serves to undermine the TEAM ON THE PITCH! Don't you want us to win? Do you want the lads on the pitch to play in front of a zero gate?
Sid Logan
208 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:27
Jim (#176),

That's a fair enough post and I accept your points. The more I'm thinking about Allardyce – and in the context of our current situation and in the light some of the frighteningly poor performances I've witnessed – the more I'm beginning to think it's what our 'lost' players need.

It's easy to have a go at Allardyce – for a number of reasons – but I do think he's far more progressive than the dinosaur image superficially portrays.

In conclusion if he gets the job I'm willing to give him a chance and the season ticket stays in my wallet!

Paul McIntyre
209 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:33
To those taking a principled stand..
Don't go to game? Fine!
Don't buy merchandise? Fine!
Cancel Sky TV? Even better.

Just don't blah on about rather see the club relegated etc...

Oliver Brunel
210 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:55
A person guilty of corruption will be our next Manager. I've seen it all with Everton, I really have... but I never thought we would go this low. Call me old-fashioned.
Gary Grant
211 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:56:15
Ben (198) I don't recall Moyes, Martinez or Koeman (or any other EFC manager) being sacked within 60 days for corruption. And I don't recall any previous manager being investigated for trousering money from transfers with a family member acting as an "agent". And Sam only didn't get done because of lack of hard proof, not because he was proven not guilty.

And Geoff (199) that's not being a fan. That's blind, unthinking fanaticism. That's saying "I don't give a monkey's about ethics or integrity or if the club appoints a blatantly corrupt individual because I support them no matter what." Reduced to absurdity, you'd therefore support an Everton side that was managed by Gary Glitter, or owned by Robert Mugabe, would you?

There are some of us, proud Evertonians, who care about things like the club's integrity, reputation and moral compass. What we're seeing here are that there are plenty of people who don't give a rat's backside for any of that as long as the team wins on a Saturday. Which says a lot.

Matt Hunter
212 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:56:24
I've been an Everton Fan for over 30 years the appointment Allardyce is one of the lowest moments during those 30 years. It shows how far we have finally fallen and it's the fault of one man Bill Kenwright!

Which football club has a Chief Ex for ten plus years who's previous biggest job was as an assistant at a Rugby league club? He keeps his job because he is a Yes-man which is what Bill likes.

Which football club is sold and the previous owner of the football club is still in charge of negotiating deals?

Which football clubs take over twenty years to get a ground built. I mean the fans could have put hard hats on and built it ourselves in that time.

Which football club employs the same manager for over eleven year even though he never won anything and failed to win at the ground of four clubs despite having over 45 attempts to do. David was a Yes man!

This is Bill's toy and because he is a small minded man we've slowly had to suffer becoming a small club.

Before the champions league draw in 2005 Kenwright was asked "who are you hoping for Bill?" "I'm happy just to be here" was his response that says it all really. We will suffer and suffer until this man is gone from the board and the football club.

Frank Crewe
213 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:58:50
Gary – pride comes before a fall... or a drop.
Jay Woods
214 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:59:34
Brent, you're a prat for saying that.

You know why?

Because protest per se (even if I don't agree with the object if it's to prevent Allardyce coming in) is a legitimate and effective way to enact much needed change.

You want to kiss Kenwright's infallible ring and applaud the old clown, go right ahead. We're already reaping the fruits of that mentality. It tolerates the intolerable and perpetuates the stasis.

That all said... I reluctantly support the appointment of Allardyce, but only because of his specialist skill set and the great need for it we find ourselves in.

Eddie Dunn
215 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:11
I voted against his appointment in the recent poll but if he gets the job, I will be giving him my support. There is no need to get too sanctimonious about what happened with the England job, does everyone really thing that the current board and all of it's lackies have made all of their money by being whiter than white?

Apparently Mr Moshiri himself lives in a tax haven... it didn't stop our Chairman getting him on board or most of us on here extolling his virtues as a successful businessman.

The Premier League, Sky, BT the FA (yes the same FA who let Lukaku off with no ban for two kicks, but ban Niasse for two games after being fouled, and the same FA who sacked Sam for being a little gullible) all either run the game or make money out of it, or pay everyone in it. Are they all lovely clean saints?

It is a business with more shysters than most others – so why pick on Allardyce? Is he any worse than Venables, Redknapp et al?

Andy Walker
216 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:23
Presumably as none of us have stopped going to Goodison so far, we’re all very happy with Moshiri’s business record. He like Allardyce has never been found guilty of doing anything illegal, they are innocent men.
Brian Hennessy
217 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:53
If ever a group of players deserve big Sam as manager, this lot we have been landed with are them.

After what we have witnessed lately I will take Sam now in a heartbeat.

Those mentioning his style of football ask yourselves this – can it be much worse than what we have seen from Koeman? I don't think so

Also, I'd take Sam any day over Martin O'Neill

John Keating
218 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:01:13
If it is Sam then I wish him all success and especially luck. He'll need it with the shower of shit he will have to work with.

It will take him time but as long as come the last game of the season we are clear of relegation then he will have done a fantastic job.

As for all those who no longer wish to support Everton Football Club, then I say cheerio. I am sure your principles will be adequately catered for supporting more principled teams – if you can find one.

Oh and as for all those foreign managers mentioned I'm sure their wonderful open free flowing football will be more appreciated at some other School of Science Club.

Mike Jones
219 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:40
I’d welcome Sam Allardyce. Might just be the right fit.
Steve Ferns
220 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:49
If you want a manager to keep us up, then pullis or Dyche would be similar choices. Never of them would have caused the outrage Allardyce does.

I can stomach his football. I can’t stomach the thought of that greedy bastard lining his pockets by skimming off the top. The thought that he’s only bought the random African fella because the agent will make a donation into a secret Swiss bank account.

If you’re happy with all that fine. But you have to draw the line somewhere and for a lot of us, Allardyce is so far over it he’s off the horizon.

Thanks Jim and Colin and good luck to the rest of you. I’m out.

Rob Halligan
221 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:54
Ed Fitzgerald, like I said, anyone who decides to stop going won't be missed. The fact that I go to all the games home and away doesn't make me any more an Evertonian than someone who can't afford it or lives abroad.

One thing I would never do is stop going to the match just because I don't like the choice of a new manager. To me that is just ridiculous. We all need to stick together and give the club and team all the support we can. I think there are a few on here who agree with me.

Tony Abrahams
222 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:08
I understand the people who won't want to go, because if it was Moyes or Benitez, I would have made the same decision. I stopped going to Goodison, in Moyes last season, but I still watched Everton away from home.

It was a different matter though, more to do with the way our chairman and manager, had been able to lower expectation so much and still be lauded, but it didn't mean I loved Everton, any less though.

Back to the now, and I keep hearing people talk about “Our DNA” which is something I really understand. We have played more top flight football, than any other club, and it's something I've always been very, very proud of.

We love skill, we love style, we love class, but most of all we love the thing that is sadly lacking, and is obviously the biggest part of Everton Football Club's DNA. We love fucking fight, and if we don't find it soon, then the thing that makes me most proud, will soon be gone.

Brian Hennessy
223 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:10
And another thing, I don't care how crooked he is or if he gets millions from any incoming transfers, if it means getting better players in then we have got at the moment, work away Sam, work away.
Jer Kiernan
224 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:31
Why does everybody assume we have sold our souls to the devil [I agree] but we will avoid relegation[I disagree]? What if we still go down?

We don't have players to scrap. No Kevin Nolan and no Kevin Davies.

Colin Glassar
225 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:05:00
AVB and Rui Vitoria (Benfica) are still being mentioned tonight. Is Big Sam BK’s choice and does Moshiri still want a “Hollywood” manager?

If these two idiots can’t agree on a manager then we are well and truly up shits creek.

Colin Metcalfe
226 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:05:33
Rob (#221) I think you will find quite a few (and I mean thousands) will stay away if he is appointed, could be the final nail in the coffin for our great club.
Brent Stephens
227 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:06:18
Jay, no need for the "prat" insult.

"You want to kiss Kenwright's infallible ring and applaud the old clown, go right ahead". And that's careless and lazy – I certainly don't want to do any of that. He doesn't have my support.

My point is simply that we all want the lads to win on the pitch. Deliberate non-attendance is in danger of the lads on the pitch getting the wrong message. You really want them to play with no fan support during the game?

Sean Randles
228 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:08:14
If this is right then the school of science has now officially closed for business. His philosophy is long ball, nothing more, nothing less. Expect Andy Carroll or another tall lump up front from January.

The Everton fans who hounded Martinez out of the club for trying to play football as per our traditions – and getting us to 2 semi finals in his last year and never having us anywhere near the relegation zone – should be reflecting quietly to themselves as Sam Allardyce takes the reins as manager of Everton Football Club!

Des Farren
229 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:08:39
"Only the best is good enough."

Leave your NSNO sentiments at the turnstile if this man is appointed. And, get a few more divers in January. Could be the difference in going down or staying up. It could provide a few more points.

Oh, and I see 30% have changed their mind since last week. What a principled bunch we are.

John Pierce
230 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:09:59
Everyone has a valid opinion Rob Halligan, and you in the short term maybe right. Sam ‘might’ stop us from going down.

He is part of a merry-go-round of mediocrity that has handed out a living to several managers in this league.

I’ll repeat the black heart of this club lies at the top. Sam is waaay smarter than these planks. Do you really think this board is clever enough to insert a break clause to dispense with this horrible man? Nah, Allardyce will bend them over and ensure that doesn’t happen.

The fact the board were not brave enough to either stick with Koeman, or boldly appoint Unsworth to give him a mandate with the players tells you everything.

Sam will out manoeuvre these clowns, take no responsibility for burdening the club with poor players, destroy the youth players and get to walk away.

If a longer term appointment was to be made and we went down so be it. This club needs a massive rebirth however astringent that feels to many.

The bottom half of the Premier League is so poor that even with the set of dysfunctional fuckwits we have running the place we still don’t need or want Sam.

Never Allardyce.

Oliver Brunel
231 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:10:33
Steve (220) I think youre right mate. Theres some things which are beyond just football. Everton are a team with a pedigree of honour, on and off the field, and a way of playing fairly and honestly. Why are we going to embrace the dark side?
Tony Everan
232 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:14:02
If it is Big Sam Allardyce, I’m sick in my belly over it, but will accept it and keep supporting.

I want to appeal to all Everton fans to unite and get behind the club unconditionally for the rest of the season.

This is it , this is the final decision this season , no protests are going to change anything. More division and unrest will be detrimental to the club we love.

Amnesty until June.

Justin Doone
233 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:14:19
No way is this reliable, more chance of Santa taking the reins.

Big Sam had already publicly rejected us. He's retired and should stay away

He's all money money money. Palace were the perfect team for him, pace, strength, target man up top, big 'proper' lads at the back mixed with a few quality midfielders but he walked out on them. I'm embarrassed to be linked to Sam the man.

If (and I don't believe we are) looking short term it could be a disaster as we don't have the type of players needed. Pulis has far more class, humility, respect and staying power and just as good a keep 'em up record on a tighter budget.

Denis Richardson
234 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:17:10
No matter how bad the situation, the answer is not Allardyce.

The guy is as bent a two bob note and shouldn't be anywhere near football, never mind Goodison. He should have been banned from the game after his antics when England manager – whatever happened to 'bringing the game into disrepute'?

We don't need to throw away our dignity to chase premiership survival. We have a good squad that needs a bid size 10 up the backside from a manager who knows what he's doing (i.e. not Unsworth). Allardyce is not the only available manager on the planet ffs.

Jay Woods
235 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:18:08
Ah, Brent, I'm attacking you for having at go at fans who stay away to protest and yes, many an effective medicine is actually toxic to the host if prolonged, but what we're talking about is a temporary suffering to effect a remedy, not an ongoing desertion of the team.

In plainer words, they can play in front of empty stands if it means they and the board up their game; abstinence is a short term pain for a long term gain.

And apologies for the prat insult, way out of line, but I only had 2 hours of kip last night...

Tony Twist
236 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:18:39
Plain and simple, we need someone in now. Whether it is big Sam or not I couldn't care less. We need the change, really before West Ham so that we have some sort of game plan. This has been severely lacking during Unsworth's reign.
Jim Lloyd
237 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:19:06
Good on you, Sid. In the situation we are in, it's vital the Board act quickly and get someone in to make a start in plugging the holes a plenty on the good ship Everton.
David Israel
239 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:20:53
Much as I dislike the Allardyce option, there comes a time when one has to be realistic. Even Winston Churchill made a pact with Joe Stalin, for heaven's sake.

The thing is, this is a difficult time of the season to find a manager, and we are looking so awful that a few blokes who, in better times, would have happily come here, are too scared to come now.

Oliver Brunel
240 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:20:59
Tony (#232) yes good point and although I don't want Big Sam we need to get behind the team to get out of this mess, I firmly beleive that as well.
Gary Drain
241 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:18
My brother is a Blackburn fan and he has always said one of the worst things they did was to get rid of Sam. If you ask any Newcastle or West Ham fans they'll probably say the same.

If he hadn't been a bit too loose lipped he probably would have been taking England to the World Cup in the summer. With what is available, and our current position, we could do worse.

Rob Dolby
242 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:28
A massive overreaction by some on here claiming they will never support us again it's not like he is totally anti football.

Moshiri has tried to run before he could walk. Comparing us to Man City when they first hit the jackpot. They appointed Mark Hughes to steady the ship and bring proven players from other Premier League teams, that is the stage we are at now. If Big Sam does that he will then get the chop and be replaced by a Mancini type and so on.

Big Sam is a specialist at fighting fires and we are ablaze.

Soren Moyer
243 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:33
I want him in for one reason, and one reason only. To bully the utter shite, lazy bunch of so called players we have brought in during Koeman's tenure!

And, imo, he is a much better manager that Martinez and Koeman combined.

Julian Exshaw
244 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:23:38
Of course we would all take big Sam as an alternative to relegation but that doesn't mean we all have to like it/him. That being said, most of us are fickle and as long as we win, I don't care that much at the end of the day who is in charge. Let's face it, nothing could be worse than the rubbish we have seen this season.
Joe McMahon
245 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:24:29
He took Palace to Anfield 7 months ago and won. The last time any Everton manager did that I was still in my 20's, I'm now 48.

Jay Jay Okocha, Gary Speed, Youri Djorkaeff, Nicolas Anelka and Ivan Campo were not long ball hoof merchants. David Unsworth (was himself) and Phil Jagielka always has been.

We are nowhere near Spurs these days guys be honest, Sam will be a good appointment. I just hope he can work with the crap he's inherited until January.

Brent Stephens
246 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:24:57
No problem, Jay! I know you're not normally like that (get some kip!).

Jay, I don't like Bill. I don't like Sam. Both understatements! I just think there are better ways to show our disapproval of Sam, if appointed. I don't want any action that could enfeeble an already-fragile squad of players.

We all want the same for the team. COYB.

Ed Fitzgerald
248 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:25:38
Rob Halligan,

You are right there are many on here that agree with you, however there are also many that don't which would demonstrate what a divisive appointment this would be.


Mike Gaynes
249 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:25:56
I've been to two matches at Goodison in my entire life, so I'm not one to judge whether going or staying away is proper.

I do believe we need to respect each other's beliefs. Whether you plan to stay away because you can't stomach Sam or you believe in showing support no matter what, if you're acting on conscience you deserve that respect. Name-calling and taunting amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing.

Oliver Brunel
250 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:27:48
I think Allardyce will make better signings than Koeman. And that could be critical. As long as Walsh isn't around to cock it up!
Julian Exshaw
251 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:27:54
Well said, Mike Gaynes.
Kevin Tully
252 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:28:18
So we had a "shadow investor" who was pulling Kenwright's strings for the past 15 years, a man who loves a deal and never does anything without making lots of money, but that was all ignored? (He has admitted acting as guarantor for Kenwright.)

You see, if you want to be the most pious Evertonian on here, you've got to at least be consistent. Green, the pensioners friend, was our master for years. Not a peep as far as I can remember, from the parish priests above.

John Graham
253 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:28:29
Okay, I just saw Sam Allardyce on Sky Sports. Always been against him but must admit he came across well.

Yes, he likes the long ball. He admitted it. Wants to get the ball forward as quick as possible. Yes he is defensive, as he says if it's nil-nil you are still in the game and can win with one goal.

Also said it was important not to lose t ball in your own half. So he gets the basics right. Won't expect great attacking football but we haven't had that for years.

Also come across as a passionate manager who will get the best from his players whoever they are and he won't be swayed by big egos. The guy is dying to get back into management to prove a point.

For me I think if it happens it wouldn't be all bad and maybe give us time to get things sorted with the back room staff and hopefully a few things sorted at board level.

Alan Burnham
254 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:30:07
We have had some great managers. We have had some awful managers. We have had tactical geniuses. We have had utter numbskulls. But so far we have never had a gobshite.

If results are all that matter to you then you don't even begin to understand what this club means. Allardyce has no place here and to even contemplate his presence is a the worst condemnation you could visit upon this wretchedly managed organisation.

I've been there week in week out since the 61-62 season and this may be the first time that I've had to consider being ashamed of this club.

If this crooked chancer is all we can aspire to then give up. The future is too dire to contemplate.

Mike Berry
255 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:31:12
God help the match ball – it will be screaming for mercy at fulltime.
Kelvin Thomas
256 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:33:06
The board should have found out that Silva wasn't available before sacking Koeman.

They are now under tremendous pressure to appoint a new manager.
It's easy for us to say do this, do that, avoid him, hire him etc.

The board have to act on facts:
- We are a really poor team
- We have injuries throughout the squad
- We are over-reliant on youngsters
- We are probably going to get relegated!Relegation would destroy our plans of a new stadium etc!

We must avoid relegation!

Options:

1. Allardyce
2. Pulis
3. Dyche


Andy Crooks
257 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:08
Sam Allardyce would not be my choice but if he becomes our manager I will support him. There is no guarantee that anyone could turn this appalling squad around. The new coach will require time and patience and if it is Allardyce he is entitled to that.

Football is full of money grabbers and the moral high ground is hard to define. Harry Rednapp once said that anyone managing at a decent level should be a rich man. Allardyce got caught but his treatment by the FA was unfair and spineless.

I will support Everton no matter.To those who won't go if Allardyce is appointed, I respect your stance. For me, however, it would feel like pissing in the wind. A few days of righteous indignation, then missing something that is a big part of my life. High horses tend to be not much fun to be on for long.

Mike Kehoe
258 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:17
I feel the same disappointment, frustration and embarrassment as so many other but if he is appointed we must get behind him and the team.

And while he pissed on his chips in the most profoundly stupid and arrogant manner let's not kid ourselves that we are above such shenanigans: anyone who was there for the Wimbledon game cannot have been dreading that game being investigated along with the Fashanu - Grobellar malarkey – it was all Segers could do not to fall on diamond's pen.

We are in deep shit and if he is our only hope what kind of idiot would want to see us in the Championship to say I told you so. I think we all feel underwhelmed by the leadership but that's not changing any time soon

Mike Gaynes
259 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:21
Wow, in this whole dismal thread somebody finally said something worth a real laugh.

Good 'un, Mike Berry.

John Keating
260 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:36:19
Oliver 231. This Club with a pedigree of honour? Is it the same Club whose Chairman "mortgaged his house" to buy us? Got us involved with BVI loans? Got us involved with shady non-supporters, one of whom ripped off the pension fund of thousands of innocent people? Bought lots and lots of lawnmowers?

As regards playing honestly. Well, lots there isn't there. I must admit I seem to remember a penalty decision gained "honestly" a few years back against Wimbledon at home.

Sorry mate this is no time to get high horse principled. We are in the shit and to get out of it we have to do and employ people to get us out of it.

If Sam does conjure up a miracle at the end of the season let's have a rethink. If we get another "Wimbledon" penalty on Wednesday night that gets us 3 points against the Hammers, then I will be there cheering it on!!

Mike Gaynes
261 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:36:40
Kelvin (#256), also Slaven Bilic.
Les Warham
262 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:37:13
Unfortunately we now find ourselves in need of a Sam Allardyce type of manager, having witnessed the diabolical performances of this season, drastic measures are now required.

The team is so poor it beggars belief. Old pros past it, young players struggling, new players having failed to adapt, players out of position, good players injured, the back room staff, the application, motivation of some of the squad... the list is endless we are in serious trouble even for Allardyce keeping us up is going to be a big ask.
Paul Smith
263 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:38:04
Al Myers at Goodison tonight, could it be???
Oliver Brunel
264 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:11
This tells you a lot about the moral compass of the ownership of our Football Club. A bit worrying.
Sam Hoare
265 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:15
Mike@196 astoundingly confusing for such a short post. Well done! Have a look at Mike Gaynes@249 to help you out.

John Hammond
266 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:28
Nice to see some people will stop supporting the club if Allardyce becomes manager. Forget getting behind the team when they need you the most. Best you don't ever come back.
Oliver Brunel
269 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:06
John (260) I apply the same principles I apply to every subject as I do with Everton. There are no exceptions.
Dennis Stevens
270 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:13
My opposition to the appointment of Allardyce is based on my concern for the well-being of the Club.

After he & his entourage have swept in, possibly avoided relegation & then swept out again with as much money as they can grab, I think it will leave the Club rather hollowed out & the long term damage may be far more than the possible short term gain.

So what initially seems to be the kiss of life may ultimately prove to be the kiss of death.

Bill Gienapp
271 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:27
As disjointed and shambolic as this manager search has appeared, I don't think it's hard to see what the thought process was.

Although the board explored various options, I think the hope all along was that Unsworth would be able to steady the ship until the end of the season, at which point a proper search could be conducted, with far more options at our disposal.

When it became clear that probably wouldn't work, we zeroed in on Silva, but Watford didn't want to play ball.

I think the overall strategy remains the same – go for a big name in the summer. As happy as I'd be to see Dyche get the job, clearly the board isn't willing to commit to him at this juncture. So the problem is, if Unsworth isn't the answer, who can we effectively bring in as a short-term fix? I think most of us would jump at Guus Hiddink, but he doesn't appear to be in the frame.

That leaves Allardyce, who, of course, now has all the leverage and will no doubt be angling for a long-term contract... I just pray Moshiri is willing to sack him and pay him off at the end of the season, unless the results go truly above and beyond.

Nigel Munford
272 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:45:59
I see someone’s put a bold tag on and not took it off.

Let’s see if this works

Charles Brewer
273 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:11
I have no liking whatsoever for Allardyce, his style of football or his attitude. However, I did think he was entirely stitched up over the England business – he was asked if it was possible to get round rules, and he accurately and honestly said "Yes". This was on a par with me being asked if it is possible to obtain customer data from my clients, the answer is, of course, "Yes", which is entirely different from saying a) I approve of it or b) that I am prepared to do it.

I do not think he is a crook. We can leave that stuff to the London clubs and the Italian league.

However, as I read on another thread we have seen a progression from Martinez "losing the players", Koeman "losing the players" and now Unsworth "losing the players", and that there is something common to these three debacles, and it's not a similarity of management.

I actually think this squad deserves the thoroughly dreadful time that Allardyce will deliver. It may be that he can put both some fear and some backbone into this overpaid rabble. It may be that a Reign of Terror is the only way that the club can be saved, and given that my loyalty (I'm 3rd generation, my son and nephews are 4th generation Evertonians) is not to the current transient bunch of "can't be arsed" mercenaries.

This is not to exonerate the board, Koeman or anyone else, but my loyalty is to the club and my fellow supporters – and many past players. It is not to the current team, or the current management, it is rather something tribal, irrational, and continuous.

If Sam Allardyce is the cure, the disease must be very serious, but I'm now persuaded that it is.

Nigel Munford
274 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:16
Nope.
Paul Birmingham
275 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:19
The reality is this season, this squad has created a new definition of blight in terms of playing football, by far the worst side in the Premier League albeit perhaps x 3-4 players could take some credit, the rest have been awful.

Needs must now, and the club and supporters must embrace who ever comes in. I hope Unsworth gets charge of the U23s and gets them back on track.

This website must have created records this season for the interest by TW followers, and hopefully all will get behind the new boss, Fat Sam or who ever. The loyalty and passion of Evertonians and rallying to the cause is inspiring and I hope the board wake up to this, though I still think there will be exits from the board after this saga is closed.

The club is at the pivotal point in its history and survival is a must and starts vs The Hammers... I hope.

Chad Schofield
278 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:14
As some more wrote on Facebook: Hobson's Choice.

Fml.

Gary Grant
279 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:24
To those saying that Moshiri, or Green, or whoever, are hardly whiter than white; that football is full of corrupt types, so what does it matter? I ask – since when did two wrongs make a right?

Unlike the others, Allardyce has actually been sacked for corruption. Everyone knows his reputation, and that he's been involved with a huge number of corrupt deals in his career. By appointing him, knowing all this, our club is saying "we don't care about ethics". By applauding the idea of appointing this fat crook, so are many of you on here are saying exactly the same. If you don't care for the club's reputation; if you don't care for morals, or ethics, or being seen to do the right thing; if you think appointing a crook is okay because – hey – there are loads of crooks in football, and what does it matter if Everton give their most important, most prominent job to another one - then fine. I applaud your honesty. But don't accuse those of us who hope for something a bit more from our club of not being fans, or suggest that we go support someone else.

Everyone on here wants the best for the club. I'm personally just not willing to say that results on the pitch are so important that they trump doing what's right in life.

This is all assuming the fat gobshite takes the job, mind. One thing we can definitely say: he's not going to be universally popular, and that's hardly a great start given morale is rock bottom amongst fans already.

Joe Ainsworth
280 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:29
I cannot believe the amount of people willing to sell everything Everton are supposed to stand for down the river and hire this twat of a man as our manager. He won't turn the current squad around, they'll continue to flounder until Jan 1st when Fatty Arbuckle's real work will begin. From that point on you can wave goodbye to all those hot prospect kids we've been getting so excited about the last year or two.

They'll be shipped out, sold off or sent back to the Under-23s while he retains the old guard and wheeler-deals his way through half of Europe in search of random workhorse mediocrities who'll give even less of a flying fuck about the club than that fraud Schneiderlin or shithouse-in-chief Mirallas.

I wish his footballing philosophy was the worst of it, but it's all the other stuff that really bothers me. He's just a fucking hideous human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He stands for the opposite of what Everton means to me. This is my 47th season supporting the club and I can't recall a time when I felt worse about it. I won't be boycotting the matches but it really will stick in the craw trying to muster up enthusiasm for an Allardyce Everton. Try saying that out loud, sounds and tastes poisonous doesn't it. I'd rather try and fight our way out of this hole with anyone but him. And calling him 'Big Sam' by the way, just humanises him, like calling Thatcher 'Maggie' or that Johnson 'Boris'.

To those who claim he's our best (or only) chance of survival I say this. Develop some fucking principles, we're better than this bastard, even if it means going down, or does staying in the Holy Grail of the almighty Premier League, awash with it's filthy Murdoch millions, a division which Everton haven't got a cat in hell's chance of winning in the next million years, really mean more to you than the club holding on to a shred of integrity.

By the way, here's a prediction. If we do survive under this morbidly obese conman, the vast majority of those currently in support of him now, will turn like the townsfolk of Hamlin turned on the Pied Piper, and chase him out, leaving a husk of a club, without identity, burdened with a squad full of even more overpaid, undermotivated deadbeats than we already have. May God have mercy on our souls.
Julian Exshaw
281 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:28
If we beat the Red Shite in the last minute and big Sam does a 'Jose Mourinho slide' down the touchline, we will all love him probably.
Brent Stephens
282 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:33
Nigel, can you turn the team around as simply as that? Please!
Tony Dove
283 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:41
Most on ToffeeWeb have no time for Bill Kenwright and I can understand why.

However no-one should question, and hopefully not disagree with his desire to keep the unique soul of the club as it has always been. A return of the School of Science would probably be his ultimate wish and he would have plenty of followers on that one however unrealistic it might be. He would never have appointed Allardyce.

There is probably therefor only one thing that would help to make the appointment of Allardyce slightly more bearable and that would be for Bill to resign in protest. The thought of Bill cuddling up to Sam Allardyce would be the ultimate betrayal of the ideals he has always sought to promote, and his resignation would emphasise the unpopularity of the appointment.

Nigel Munford
284 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:50:25
Good evening, Brent.
Pat Kelly
285 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:52:21
Well matched. Everton are a disgrace and so is he.
Rob Halligan
286 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:53:05
Ed, as Mike Gaynes says (#249), debates like this accomplish nothing. If people will no longer attend games because of the choice of manager, then that is their choice. Seems silly to me but there you go.

I will still go no matter what, but doesn't make me a better Evertonian than someone who can't go. I just think we all need to stick together in our support for the eleven players on the pitch.

I guess we will soon find out if / when Allardyce is appointed, but I don't think the attendance will be dropping, with the sold out signs still being displayed.

Alan Burnham
288 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:54:04
Gary Grant – so pleased to see that there is at least one Blue out there not prepared to sell the soul of the club on a spurious notion that Allardyce is a proven Messiah. Well said.
Kevin Tully
289 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:54:50
Gary, I don't remember any outrage from you after we employed a convicted drunk driver and class A drug abuser. Or are they any different to financial crimes?
Nigel Munford
291 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:55:26
If only it was that simple, Brent.
Jackie Barry
292 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:56:15
No matter what he did for the club I don’t think I could ever love Big Sam.
Nigel Munford
293 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:57:35
I think someone left the tag open mid 2nd season of Martinez's reign and no one can find the tag to cancel it and improve us!!
John Keating
294 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:57:56
Gary (#279), if people do not wish to support the Club for whatever reason then that is fine, it is their decision and they have every right to do so.

However, I would have thought there is far more reason to be principled and not to support the Club by us being involved with a Knight of the Realm who knowingly fleeced off thousands rather than us appointing Sam Allardyce.

Sid Logan
295 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:58:00
In life I expect integrity and honesty (whether its there or not is another matter) from politicians, leaders of industry, bankers and anyone who has responsibility for employing people. Not a particularly high minded view just a product of an honest, working class upbringing.

However I, like many I suspect, suspend a small degree of principle when it comes to watching my football team which just happens to be Everton. For example I ignore the disgusting wages that footballers and managers pocket with a degree of entitlement paid for by me and people like me through the turnstiles and through TV Sport.

For me, the 30,000 people who pay each week to watch Everton at Goodison Park and the several thousand who travel to away games deserve something which, for an fathomable irrational reason, can carry them through the next week or so in an uplifted mood. The ability of a good win can transcend so many of the hassles of daily life in a way that's almost primeval.

So for all those Evertonians taking a lofty view of the indiscretions of Allardyce, who at this moment in time, should he be appointed, may well be our saviour, I say, park it and give us a break. Save your sanctimonious views for some future time matters when it may be more relevant to our daily lives.

Let's survive this season and save the debate on moral righteousness for another time – maybe when we've just won the league.


Dave Evans
296 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:01:45
Rob Halligan @150 and 221 great posts. Life long support for the 11 on the pitch in Everton blue is a given. It is easier to change your own DNA than change that.

Agree. If the fans making dramatic resignations on here do go, they will not be missed.

Joe McMahon
297 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:02:59
How can this be bad news compared to the dross we have seen most of the time since 1996? Howard Kendall Mk III, Walter Smith, 11 long years of Moyes knife to a gunfight, Martinez slow passing game or Koeman's diabolical transfers.

This club has been rotting for years, if Sam is our next manager how on earth could it be worse than the other names/times above?

Jay Woods
298 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:14
Brent, yes, I seriously need sleep, I'm preposterously grumpy, besides which, I live in Latvia and it's 2 hours ahead of Blighty so the evening is already waxing late. I'm just annoyed about everything right now to do with our club, so sorry once again for the gittishness and the baseless calumny about you supporting Kenwright.

Just by way of protest at the club, I'm going to leave the underline tag open-ended (I'm a web developer, just for the record!) for now...

David Pilkington
299 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:35
Some of the comments on here are unbelievable.

During the 1980's I saw more long ball football from Everton than most other clubs. Sharp and Gray thrived on that sort of football.

Didn't work out too bad!!

Dave Evans
300 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:54
Good post, Sid @295.
Jamie Evans
302 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:07:32
Just been on Sky Sports News, announcement tomorrow or possibly even late tonight. It's Allardyce.
Nigel Munford
303 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:08:57
Spoke to my grandson last night, he's 11, and a blue, has been ever since he first started kicking a ball..

I've not influenced him at all, he just asked his mum for an Everton shirt for Xmas as that's who would be supporting.

So I asked him if he was worried about the results and how the team we're playing and hoped that he would stay a blue, and not desert the team.

He said, “Grandad, we're born blues, we don't change.”

Ray Roche
304 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:09:02
Joe, I'm no Moyes fan but we would never have been in this position under him. People should wise up to that fact instead of trotting out the old "Knife to a gunfight" shite.

One statement is used to harangue the guy instead of looking at the positives he brought to the club. Dour or not, he made us a better club and team.

Against my better judgement, I have just watched MotD2. (My girl has been over from Germany for a four day break so we've had a great time and I fortunately missed that shite yesterday.) That was as poor a team as I have seen since I started going in the fifties.

Don Alexander
305 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:09:10
I suggest we forget all about Usmanov having any further influence because Finch Farm is actually in the hands of Utterly Stupid Management.
Ernie Baywood
306 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:10:54
So if it's Sam, what was the last six weeks about? Was this part of a process or have our leadership genuinely been doing nothing?
Paul Kossoff
307 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:12:06
You know we have a saying, this is Everton! Well... This con man money grabber has never been what? relegated! Now this is Everton, so we give him the job what the fuck do you think will happen?

Well??? Then we can well and truly say, you couldn't write the script!

Joe McMahon
311 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:18:41
Ray Roche,

Ask Sunderland fans a simple question Allardyce or Moyes? We both know the answer.

Yes, the Moyes statement is overused but he said it. And in 11 years Everton never winning at Anfield, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal, I can only assume the statement is correct. Not all Moyes's seasons were top 10 either, but 11 years is a long time to try to get it right.

Ben Dyke
314 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:22:34
Paul K wins the black humour award for services to those whose hearts had already been broken!
Geoff Williams
315 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:22:37
I'm no fan of Big Sam but all the crap about him changing the way we play and that he will be bringing in a long ball game must be coming from fans who don't attend the matches.

We have been playing boot the ball up the field throughout 2017 and doing it very badly.

Ben Dyke
316 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:24:17
Big Sam will bring a better class of long ball mark my words by buying crouch in the window.
Raymond Fox
317 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:25:04
Allardyce does what every good manager in any sphere does, that is make the most of the resources at his disposal.

This nose in the air he's not good enough for us business, good god we have not won a thing for twenty plus years and growing.

It's okay talking about wanting ball on the ground, pretty football and be successful at the same time.

Apart from the usual top 6 clubs who else in the league can attract and afford the quality players that you need to do it.

We all need to get behind him and make him feel welcome then see how things work out, we might be pleasantly surprised about the quality of the football!

He's going to have his work cut out though to avoid relegation, its going to be tough we need reinforcements desperately.

Dennis Stevens
318 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:27:41
I agree Paul. If Allardyce or Pulis get the job I'm going to put a fiver on our being relegated – you just know it'll become an inevitability as soon as they're confirmed in post!
Lawrence Green
319 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:28:53
Joe (#297),

It's all about context, the Kendall Mk III, Walter Smith and even David Moyes eras were accepted because we didn't have the money to do much else – given we have a Billionaire on board and expectations have skyrocketed in the last couple of years as borne out by the record number of season ticket sales and waiting lists. It wasn't with the view that at some point so early in the project we would be looking at a Big Sam to help us avoid a possible relegation.

I have little or no time for Big Sam but like most I'll put up with it because I have no say in the matter and I'll be at Goodison for the remainder of this season and beyond and hopefully we'll remain in the top division for many more years to come.

It is not a given that Big Sam or anyone else will turn this team into an effective points winning unit but we have to hope that happens as relegation will put paid to any hope of us rejoining the elite, in fact it might consign us to the dustbin of history, from that perspective it is probably a practical appointment but it doesn't and won't sit well with me or a few others.

I hope those who suggest that Sam hasn't been given a chance at a major club and thus might surprise us all, by firstly securing our status and then taking us on the road to glory are proved correct as that's what we all want for the club regardless of who happens to be in charge of team affairs.

We'll have to wait and see what happens between now and the end of the season but I won't be surprised if the number of season tickets sold for 2018-19 is down by a significant percentage even if Big Sam does manage to keep us in the Premier League.

Mark Tanton
320 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:29:55
Allardyce was something of a pioneer in the 90s, bringing new levels of fitness and data interpretation into football. When Wenger did that he was lauded, for Big Sam doesn't get the same credit.

He's engaging, intelligent and he can motivate players. It's a little lazy to throw the old ‘long ball ‘ criticisms at him – he hasn't survived this long in the game by just doing that.

The sad fact is even Allardyce might not save us. He has more to lose than us in someways, Everton could be his last job and tarnish his CV.

Whoever walks in the door, they're going to need our support and they will need Goodison to get behind him. Those who are currently turning their noses up perhaps underestimate our current predicament.

John Keating
321 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:29:55
Ernie (#306),

I think that is a legitimate question. If Sam is appointed then we have wasted valuable time.

That doesn't mean we would now be transformed into a winning team, I think far from it. I doubt results would not have changed too much. However, I do think some sort of plan and formation would have been put in place to stand us in better stead and doubt we would have shipped as many goals.

Whether it's Sam or someone else this is going to takes weeks and a transfer window to sort out which hopefully, will enable us to avoid a relegation battle.

This waste of time just supports the accusation of incompetence at Board level.

Dermot Byrne
322 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:30:44
Umm... the moral stance.

Big Dunc?

That lad Jose Baxter?

Unless we have an agreed ethical position, in writing, you will find the moral goalposts moving as much as the real ones.

Such a policy is vital in most companies to prevent decisions being made based on the moral code of just one person or in the heat of the moment.


Minik Hansen
323 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:31:51
What a conservative choice. Ugly, but might be decent after all this mess. I have no influence in this decision, so support is the only way.
Steven Jones
324 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:32:45
Kevin (#194) – Best comment of the thread. We need someone to kick ass!
Paul Kossoff
325 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:33:25
Ben, I thank yooooo! 😁
Tommy Carter
326 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:36:24
These are truly dark days for Everton Football Club. But this has been a long time coming.

We tightened our belts practically before any other Premier League club. We became a selling club the second Duncan Ferguson was sold in 1998 and ever since we have had very limited transfer resources.

Yes we broke transfer records various times throughout Moyes' reign but net spend was always very low and even as recently as 2011 we entered a season having sold quality players and scraped together Royston's Drenthe and Denis Stracqualursi.

Quite frankly the sheer mismanagement of the club at the executive level has brought us to this moment.

The excellence of Barkley and Lukaku have masked the dire squad assembled over the last few years.

Joe McCormick
327 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:38:35
I dreamt last night that Moshiri morphed into Peter Johnson and Walter Smith turned into Humongous Sam. Too much cheese!
Ash Moore
328 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:19
I don't know what to think anymore.

Seeing how much bitter fighting is happening on this very page is revealing in itself. The club is eating itself from within. This is a long long way from the Everton I grew up supporting, that we all grew up supporting. This is painful.

This is watching something that's very close to your heart wither completely. This is like watching a horse go around with a broken leg. It's just horrible.

I respect the posters stating their "principles" on Allardyce. And other matters. But I would like to remind them that posts stating principles are easily mistook for moralizing; perhaps that has even occurred here.

Being an Evertonian means different things to different people. If we get relegated attendance will drop. But people will still keep going. And if we suffer back to back relegations, attendance will drop further. But people – albeit less people – will still be going.

I respect everyone for supporting Everton – especially just now!!! – but I also respect everyone's right to do that on their terms. I don't respect catcalls to people who threaten to withdraw their support, but I also don't respect people pointlessly stating the conditions under which their support will be withdrawn.

Most of us have reached a point where EFC provides very little joy and or satisfaction anymore. In that light, is it a surprise that people –Ken Buckley, Richard Dodd, et al – have found better things to do?

Lawrence Green
329 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:44
It might be Unsworth in charge on Wednesday after all, if the reports by the Daily Mirror are proved correct. Sam is apparently out in Dubai and has told his friends that he needs convincing to take the Everton job – this despite the deal now on offer is longer than the one he was offered a few weeks ago. The soap opera continues.

Sam needs convincing

Mark Tanton
330 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:45
Whoever does come in needs to repace almost the entire back four. Leighton Baines is up there with Jagielka and Williams as the jokes of the Premier League. Walking football on a Wednesday evening for you chaps from now on.
Dave Ganley
331 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:55
Joe #297 let's have it right. We have seen some shit since 1996 but around that time at least we knew we were shite and the team at least tried. <:P>Before you start lambsting Moyes, he took over when it was like this now except he had very few decent players at the club. Moyes rebuilt the club and we finally had a bit if self respect and dignity back. Moyes biggest problem was that he never had the self belief that we were able to win at the so-called big 4 and that's why we needed a change.

Somebody who could take us forward and break that ceiling. Instead that fraud Kenwright went for the cheap lazy option with the idiot Martinez and look where we are now. Say what you like about Moyes but he left us in decent shape.

We had a decent squad and we had watched more decent football in his 10 years than we had for 10 years previously. That team with Cahill Arteta Bainaar Jagielka Lescott etc was a bloody good side and we put some good sides to the sword especially at Goodison. Just a shame we couldn't have the belief to do it away when it mattered.

Now we are back to square 1 and it looks like fucking Allardyce is coming. Ffs I hope you're fucking happy Kenwright you gobshite. Brent was right earlier, we shouldn't be protesting at the expense of not going to the game, we should be protesting long and hard before the game to get rid of Kenwright and his cronies.

Moshiri has 49.9% of the shares and is not in charge of the club because Kenwright has all the rest if the votes in his pocket. How is that being a good Evertonian?

It's because he's desperately hanging onto power whatever the cost and now it's costing Everton big time because he still wants to run the show. We know what Kenwright can do, fuck all. He brings nothing, no money or know-how.

He's brought Moshiri on board so he can say he has sold the club look how good I am. But at a cost, he's still in charge because he made sure Moshiri couldn't get a majority vote. We should be protesting long and hard on Wednesday to get that fucking idiot Kenwright out of our club before he does irreparable damage and we are finally relegated.

Greg Hasbrouck
332 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:42:30
Most of the people threatening to abandon the team if Big Sam is appointed, are the same people who would be thrilled if we signed Marco Silva. However, Silva's team was relegated... last season!!!

Give Sam the long-term deal he wants, let him keep us up, eat the contract in the summer and bring in some who better represents our long-term ambitions. Right now our only concern should be staying up.

No-one does that better than Sam and he's done it with less talent than we have on our squad.

Keith Monaghan
333 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:43:58
Matt Hunter @ 212

Spot on - but you forgot to say the same fool that sold our top scorer to his chums at Man Utd in mid-July in order to get a washed-up alehouse back with other failed old-boys like Dunc, Jeffers, Baxter & Co.

Kenwright Out!!!

Brian Hennessy
334 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:03
Just think, in a few years we could have that shiny new stadium on the docks with "The Big Sam Stand" named in honour of our leader...

Or even the "Sir Big Sam Stand" if Lizzy gets generous with next years knighthoods .

Jim Potter
335 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:14
I hope it's the effects of the crack wearing off and I've imagined this whole season.

Nope, it is real.

If this is true, and it's only rumour currently, then I am deeply disappointed. But I am also deeply worried by a very realistic threat of relegation.

We have no confidence, no leadership (on or off the pitch) and currently we are a 100% doomed club.

We are now in a desperate predicament and we need someone who knows how to turn a club around quickly. I can see why he is a candidate. I don't like it, but I do understand it.

Normally I am no admirer of Allardyce or his dodgy reputation (alluded to everywhere but not proven in any court) – but he is only dodgy Sam and not 'Son of Sam' as many are treating him.

As far as giving up supporting the club? Get a grip boys. If Moshiri was going for Adolf then yes I'd stop going and wait for a return to sanity; but if it is Allardyce I'd bite my tongue and pray he can turn this Titanic scenario around.

The thought of relegation is far scarier to me than the thought of Allardyce. If he comes, may it be short and sweet.

COYB.

Joe McMahon
336 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:47
Dave Ganley - I agree, and yes around 2007-08 was the best Everton team we've seen for over a decade. However, like I say, 11 years is a long time to get it right.

Kenwright failed us by following the the long Moyes era with defo the at wrong manager at a time when Mauricio Pochettino was going to Southampton or Spurs.

Guy Hastings
337 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:49:21
I suspect that Fat Sam will have demanded around £30m in the January window. That's what he does. He's not a miracle worker with what he's landed with, he spends a lot and keeps sides up with a couple of weeks to go.

As I've remarked before, what Allardyce brings to the club in brand perception – which sadly is everything these days – is 'struggling club', bottom third of the Premier League etc etc. This 'crisis' lies at the hands of Koeman and whoever decided that Walsh could work some magic.

Whatever people say about Moyes, he engendered some team spirit, a real pride in playing for us, as did Martinez to some degree. I have to question what has gone so wrong so quickly among the players themselves. I can't believe that the likes of Jagielka and Baines have lost the will to live but I suppose even the Morale Officer on the Titanic had to call an end to deckchair rearranging at some point.

Jay Harris
338 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:55:29
OMG Allardyce has confided in friends he needs convincing to take the job.

What have we become.

Dermot Byrne
339 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:55:42
Ash 328: great post. Maybe reason some leave TW for a bit as, when something like this happens, we can lose control in how we kick off against each other. Understandable maybe but some may just take a break from the constant internal battle.

To me, the battle is not between us but with Board.

Ian McDowell
340 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:58:25
Jay... says who?
Jim Potter
341 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:58:27
And as for Steve Walsh – he had us pay Saville Row prices for St John's Market goods.

No refunds accepted.

Joe O'Brien
342 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:16
Was joking, Nigel... I had noticed ha.
Chris Leyland
343 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:27
I'm actually looking forward to Allardyce's appointment. There, I've said it.

I want someone who is going to stop the rot and actually manage the players. Someone who will play with a consistent shape and someone who will, crucially, wins some games and get us moving up the table.

I don't care if he trousered a few quid in the past. I don't care if his style doesn't suit some puritans. All I care about this season is not being relegated.

Clive Rogers
344 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:42
Kenwright should resign. He has totally ruined the club. Kenwright and big Sam may be too much to take for me next season.
Ray Roche
345 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:00:56
Joe McMahon (#311),

Joe, you can compare Moyes at Everton and Moyes at Sunderland in the same way as you can compare Alan Ball at Everton and Alan Ball playing in Hong Kong at the end of his career. Two different times, two different clubs, two different entities entirely.

Moyes, and I don't particularly enjoy admitting it because it'll bring all the Moyes haters out, gave this club self respect, some dignity back, and left us a million miles better than the relegation certs he took over, AND we played some terrific football at times.

Since then we've gone down season on season until now when we must be relegation favourites after that spineless, disjointed and woeful display at Saints, who are another crap side. So how bad are we?

Lawrence Green
346 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:01:06
Ian (#340),

See post #329 for links to Daily Mirror article.

Paul Ellam
347 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:01:18
It has now got the point where I don't actually care which manager we bring in. I just want a manager who will play players in their proper positions, organise the defence to not concede 2 or more goals a game and somebody who will put some fight, desire, passion and confidence into his team.

Who this person is and what they do in their spare time is irrelevant to me. They just have to keep us in the big league!


Lee Gray
348 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:02:18
That's me finished and 3 generations... the man is an air thief of the highest order!
Paul Gallagher
349 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:03:05
We will no doubt get Sam and he will keep us up, and finish a lofty 11th. Kenwright will be emotional and we will offer Sam a much improved contract for another 3 years. This is the best manager ever.

Then more duds will be bought and we will struggle again, Sam will be sacked. Then we will wait another 5 weeks to bring in another manager.

The board will procrastinate and Pulis will be brought into save us again. Moshiri in 4 years will have paid millions to end Martinez, Koeman, Sam and Pulis tenure as managers at Everton.

Ray Robinson
350 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:03:32
Why do some think it a given that Dyche would come to Everton? Much as I'd prefer him to Big Sam, are we arrogant or deluded enough to consider that we only have to click our fingers and he'll come running? Yes, there are any number of foreign managers available but for God's sake why would anyone of them want to come to us at the moment? Laurent Blanc, for instance, when did he last even manage for God's sake?

No, desperate times call for desperate measures. Even Big Sam will struggle to put Everton back on an even keel with the players that we have got - but he'll at least know what to do come the January transfer window. And as for, ceasing to support Everton if he is appointed, then that is a grouse with the current Board not with the institution that is Everton. If you truly are chosen, you cannot just suddenly switch off the affinity with the club.

Given differing circumstances, Allardyce wouldn't be my first choice but I'll give him my support from day one and see how things develop before drawing any longer term conclusions.

Dick Fearon
351 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:03
From what I can make out from posters comments what is wanted is a passionate head kicker with a bit of savvy. We may as well get a pairing of both with Martin O'Neill and his offsider Roy Keane.

That combination would put the cat among our docile chickens. You heard it here, folks.

Joe O'Brien
352 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:22
Lads, it's the Daily Mirror... he won't need convincing. He'll snap our hand off... unfortunately.

I really don't know how they are convinced with big Sam and not with Dyche. I want Kenwright out also but he's not going anywhere in a hurry... not until Moshiri pulls his finger out and buy focker out... totally.

Ray Roche
353 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:43
Dave Ganley #331

Good post Dave. I am a season ticket holder but, you know what, I don't think I can be arsed travelling a 100 miles round trip to watch that shower of frauds on Wednesday.

Mike Hughes
354 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:07:46
Kevin Tully (#289) – good point, well made.

Gary, I don't remember any outrage from you after we employed a convicted drunk driver and class A drug abuser. Or are they any different to financial crimes?

Not to mention issues with paid services a few years ago. I wonder if that has caused the morally-outraged to stay away?

I get the divisiveness of appointing Sam Allardyce. But there are some double-standards being applied here.

Doesn't everyone (well, with a few exceptions e.g. John Venables) deserve a second chance?

Sam Allardyce is possibly / probably being appointed as a football manager, not club pastor.

If he does have need of redemption then I hope he can gain that with EFC.

That concludes this week's sermon.

As Dave Allen used to say – may your God go with you.


David Cooling
355 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:08:27
Far too many people on here, negative about appointing Allardyce, the simple truth is, we are desperate. We are a team in total free fall, we are conceding far too many goals, and not scoring enough.

This may well be the worst Everton team I've seen in 30-plus years of support. I for one will gladly take someone who can stop this rot, because at the moment we are championship bound.

I'm no Allardyce fan by any means, but if the man can turn this round, and get us winning again, I for one won't care about dodgy dealings or any other crap people think about him.

Rick Tarleton
356 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:10:24
Someone has to come in. But I repeat Tony Everan's question in the second post:

Why not Dyche who seemed to really want the job?
Why not Wagner who's created a team out of battlers and rejects?
Why not Hughton who's made a solid team out of Brighton and who did a cracking job at Newcastle?

At least they are not corrupt and greedy.

Eddy Bernard
358 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:12:24
The Motto: "Only the best is good enough".

The Manager – Sam Allardyce – in a word: "Incompatible".

Michael Farrelly
359 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:12:49
Alladyce = Selling our very soul!

I'd rather get relegated... It has to be Dyche if he will come, he is young, ambitious and if it turns out to be relegation at least he knows the way back to the Premier League. He is the only viable option I can see at this stage.

Phil Parker
360 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:13:39
Maybe some of you had a premonition that big Sam was getting the job, that's why you stayed away on Thursday. 13,000 great Evertonians there, it was like the early 80s.

If the reason you don't want to watch the greatest club in the world is because we are appointing the best man to avert the biggest disaster to happen to the club in my lifetime, goodbye, may see you when we are doing well again and appoint Pep Guardiola.

Christy Ring
361 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:14:21
I cannot believe how poor and amateurish Moshiri, Kenwright, Elstone and the board have been since the dismissal of Koeman. It wasn't a surprise he was sacked, results and performances were abysmal, so why was there no plan or list of candidates in place.

It was like Koeman trying to sign Giroud, no Plan B. The same with Silva, no Plan B either... and now it's panic stations with big Sam. We're a total laughing stock.

Darren Hind
362 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:14:26
So, so you think you can tell.
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
Brian Hennessy
363 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:15:53
Sam is coming home, back to Molly Malone
He’s tired of cutting cabbages in Kerry, Limerick and Tyrone
He misses Anna Liffey, the coddle and the crack
Sam is coming home again, he wants a welcome back
Alan Smith
364 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:16:31
https://youtu.be/GFSulXDTrVo

No one like this goal then?

Big Dunc?

Joe royle, Gray, Latchford??? We don't like these either?

As for his fraudulent tenancies. SAF son is an agent, Moyes brother, souness owned shares in an agency whilst managing. they are all at it.

You must all be saints.

And imagine all the shit Usmanov has done in to get were he is. You all can't wait for him to arrive. He isn't by the way.

Craig Walker
365 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:17:50
Ash @ 328 - Very well put. It’s sad when the fans are so divided. I don’t care how people react. We’re all on TW because we want what is best for our club. I’ve questioned my loyalty but I know that deep down i’ll still be supporting this club and arguing with RS fans because it’s instilled in me. It just seems sad that we’re going to encourage a long ball game by hiring Allardyce. It’s not how I was brought up to play football.

Martinez was a clown by the end and the thrashings at Anfield were embarrassing but the home wins against Arsenal and United, the away win at Old Trafford and the draw at the Emirates were the most optimistic i’ve been in decades. It felt like we were going somewhere. There were good times under Moyes too but we seem a long way off any positivity tonight. I feel anger but mainly sadness. We need to stick together though and make the Old Lady like a bear pit again.

Paul Kelly
366 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:19:13
Did Big Sam do anything illegal or was it just unethical?
Brian Hennessy
367 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:21:34
And now, the end is near
And so we face the final curtain
My friends, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
We've lived a life that's full
We've traveled each and every highway
But more, much more than this
We did it our way
Regrets, we've had a few (the Dutchman)
But then again, too few to mention (i wish)
We did what we had to do
And saw it through without exemption
We planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
We did it our way
Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When we bit off more than we could chew (Gilfi)
But through it all, when there was doubt
We ate it up and spit it out
We faced it all and we stood tall
And did it our way
We've loved, laughed and cried (a lot)
We've had our fill our share of losing (you can say that again)
And now,…
We do it Sam's way
Michael Farrelly
369 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:26:38
This board is a fucking disgrace couldn't administrate over a Sunday church league side. Where is the Rational Process Management, the old KT process!

You sack the Manager conduct a potential problem analysis. The appointment of a new manager should be executed via a decision analysis looking at the 'Musts' and the weighted 'Wants'... the clowns have no fucking idea!

Paul Tran
370 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:06
Paul (#366), he told a sting operator that he knew how to circumvent some FA rules. He also said he wouldn't do anything without getting permission from the FA. Very poor judgement without being illegal. The FA said he hadn't done anything wrong but it was best he leave.

Unethical for me, but nowhere near as bad as a certain premier league club we know who had a certain 'advisor'. Now that, and he, was unethical.

Peter Mills
371 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:47
I can’t say I find Mr Allardyce to be a particularly nice character, but a touch of arrogance and nark is probably just what we need at present.

I certainly don’t believe him to be the footballing dinosaur he’s being made out to be. He’s a pragmatist, if he’s brought in to fight relegation he will do what’s necessary, but equally he showed at Bolton that he can work with flair players.

One thing, if these stories are true, he has played an absolute blinder over the past week - walking away from the Billionaire sounding him out, spending a few days in the sun in Dubai chuckling, hearing about us letting 9 goals in, now playing the coquette, making out he “vonts to be alone” to consider whether this is the right move for him. I’m beginning to warm to him. I’m also beginning to think Mr Moshiri became a billionaire by starting off with 2 billion.

Come what may, whoever takes over, I’ll continue to attend.

Brian Hennessy
372 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:47
"Sam"

I heard that you're on your own now
So am I
I'm living alone now
I was wrong
So were you
What will you do?
Are you glad to be free?
Are you feeling lost just like me?
Longing for company

Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
Come around and talk awhile
I need your smile
You need a shoulder
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
And the door is open wide
Come on inside
Longing to see you
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am

I find the days hard to face now
Empty rooms
There's much too much space now
And the nights go so slow
I'm sure you know
Wish I knew what to do
It would be so nice seeing you
And it might help you too

Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
Come around and talk awhile
I need your smile
You need a shoulder
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
And the door is open wide
Come on inside
Longing to see you
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am

Oh Sam, you know where I am
Oh Sam, ooh Sam
You know, you know
You know where I am

Chris Watts
373 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:34:56
I was actually keen that Sam go the England job and suspect we’d have done a lot better than with Southgate.

Question is that he turned down palace as he didn’t want another club job. Does he have the stamina?

Questions about style of play and whether he’d play the young players are irrelevant at the moment. We are heading to the championship no doubt without a radical change

He’s always said he’s so well given a chance at a big club so let’s see

Kevin Field
374 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:35:43
Imagine Keane... and then imagine Schneiderlin putting that performance in on his watch. I wouldn't want to be in his boots at half time, or the training ground on Monday morning.

Same could be said of Allardyce. Unsie is a nice, thoughtful and passionate man - an Evertonian. Yet it was too soon, and too complex for him to sort out the mess he walked into. I hope he stays and continues to work his magic with the U23s.

When you look at it Sam Allardyce is probably the right fit to get things in order, and he's itching to prove a point after the England debacle. That point being he's not just the hatchet rescue man, that he can build a team to take on the best.

So... apart from Dyche and Allardyce I can't see anyone else who would be better in our current situation. Keane and Martin O'Neil don't do it for me... And Silva is unavailable. Oh and get Walsh out and someone decent in to scout for players. We need that left back, centre back and striker in January.

And then look at the club from top down of how the whole of this process was managed and make the necessary changes. If it takes Moshri taking total ownership and investing in quality back office management then so be it.

As a part of that they need to employ a director of comms and press office. We need to control the messages going out to the press and not leaving it to a conversation with Jim White on Talk Sport - the latter we have no control of what is said about us, take control!

First though let's keep our proud top flight status.

COYBs!!!

Paul Kelly
375 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:35:51
Cheers Mr Tran, So he’s a sly old dog then, not more so than our chairman. Perfect partnership then or maybe to alike to get along!
Paul Gallagher
376 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:36:32
We need to get over ourselves, we haven't done ambition since 1987. Big clubs don't allow chairman's to stay in control of their club for nearly 20 years without wining the league never mind a trophy.

We haven't beaten our loveable neighbours in 7 years, nearly 20 years away from home in the league. We are United's feeder club and take their rejects off them.

We went 21 years without beaten then at home. We haven't beaten Arsenal at their new stadium yet. We haven't beaten Chelsea at home in over 20 years.

Barring ourselves everyone see us as a mid table team no bigger than Stoke or West Brom. Maybe Everton need Sam more than he needs us.

Sid Logan
377 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:40:35
Michael Farrelly (#359

I try not to respond to the obvious dimfucks like you who say things like "I'd rather get relegated" because you obviously don't spend you money to watch Everton and you obviously don't travel to games home or away.

In your case I'll make an exception as against remaining silent because right now I'm pissed off with all those people taking this high minded view of an Allardyce appointment. It may not be perfect but right now if you go to games you'll know that this football club needs saving and needs to remain in the premiership.

If you did spend your money and go to games you would wouldn't dream I'd saying so crass and you'd know we need a seismic change for this team to start performing.

Right now, I'd hold your peace.

Stephen Brown
378 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:42:49
Paul (#376),

So sad but so true!

I was dead against Big Sam but the reality is he will bring some of the qualities we so desperately need like organisation, clean sheets, team spirit etc

If he can establish that he probably then deserves a go at developing the team. He's probably not the dinosaur we all think he is!

Not my first choice but he will get my backing!

Dave Evans
379 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:49:44
Ash @ your post is patronising beyond belief. You hold what you respect and do not respect in high esteem without the understanding that peoples opinion is not justified by your precious respect.

It is banal for people to come on an Everton fan forum and say they are now not Everton fans.

The end of your post reads like a rally call to 'do something better' like the wisened and enlightened Ken Buckley et al.

Most fans include Everton into a full life with others who may or may not share our passion.

What do you suggest in do something better? Have a another Garibaldi and cocoa?

Paul Birmingham
380 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:51:24
It's humble pie, and desperate times, and I'm not sure that any so called up and coming managers in the Premier League or Europe's, top leagues would come here.

The club is on its knees and now we must unite to save the season. It's a play in the making one day, this saga, but we need a manager tomorrow and a must win v West Ham.

James Royston
381 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:53:14
If its "Big Sam", I say "Welcome to Goodison". If you can work any magic (sorry miracle) all the self righteous lot on here will be singing your name.

I have supported Everton for 70 years, yes 70 having seen many ups & downs including relegation (it's not nice) and I have no intention of giving up now.

While I agree there are loads of questions about how the club has been run, I agree in all that time this is probably the worst team I have seen mainly for the total lack of effort.

But I just want us to survive this disaster of a season and I don't care who it takes to save us I say "Welcome and Good luck" – whoever you may be, as they will need it and we should support that person not condemn them before they even have a chance. Whatever happens I will stay with my Everton.

Brian Harrison
382 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:53:52
Well for all those quite happy with his appointment I suggest you speak to any Newcastle or West ham fan, both sets booed him out of their club. Not only for his results but mainly his style of play, his teams will never be near the top end of the league. And before anybody tells me what his net spend was at these clubs even Moyes had us top 6 on a regular basis on a shoestring budget.

Ash Moore
383 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:57:38
Dave, your bad manners is only exceeded by your inability to read for comprehension.

I don't see Ken Buckley posting here any more mate – that's patronising btw – because he has already found something better to do. Whatever that is, I don't fucken know, but he's got better things to do than post here. As does Doddy. And Eugene much. And many many many other names we used to see on this site.

My point was that some people will never walk away, and that's their right. And others have a breaking point, and will walk, or already have. And that's their right.

I know some people will go watch Everton in League Two, and I am not one of them. Most of us aren't actually. I don't care if that makes me less of a fan Dave, I really don't. Football is supposed to be a pleasurable diversion. Watching EFC and posting replies to muppets like you does not give much pleasure.

I don't really know where the attack came from to be honest Dave. My post is closest to the most reasonable on the page. But whatever, Ill stop the respectful thing and urge you to do one.

Eric Paul
384 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:58:08
Well said Sid Logan
I don’t want allardyce anywhere near GP but I will support him as I have no choice, turning my back on the club I love is not an option
Paul Holmes
385 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:59:06
How can you blame the board? Koeman was given a war chest of 140 million and he fucked it up buying shit players giving them big money and long contracts. Koeman got a big payoff for screwing the club over.

The board wanted Silva, good choice but Watford won't let him go. Unsworth and the blue backroom staff have made the situation even worse with the shit players we have got. One team got beat 5-1 by Atalanta, and the rested players got beat 4-1 by Southampton.

It's not Kenwright and Moshiri's fault the players bought are rubbish. They backed the manager. We are that bad we need Big Sam to keep us in the Premier League as Unsworth is taking us down.
Mick Conalty
386 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:00:43
Lets face it, the players have downed tools. If Allardyce can get a tune out of this sorry bunch, he should get manager of the season.

Mirallas and Williams will be going for a hat-trick by getting Allardyce the sack and therefor removing 3 managers from the club.

Dave Evans
387 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:05:31
You make a good job of breaking the horse's leg you have just bled your soul over, Ash.

Do one? You have already indicated the that the criteria for you 'doing one' is quite low.

Chin up, Ash.

Lawrence Green
388 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:06:52
Mick (#386),

Ashley Williams was signed during Koeman's reign so had nothing at all to do with the removal of Martinez from Everton FC.

Neil Copeland
389 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:07:34
Not a done deal according to Sky who claim that Fonseca and O'Neill are also to be interviewed.

Ian Lang
390 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:08:06
Moshiri master plan and commitment to Everton Day 1

My plans

I can confirm I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers.

Reality: Sold best players to fund rebuild. Has not directly funded player purchases.

Retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future.

Reality: Sold off all our best players and bought Shite.

We will also be looking at the best options in relation to our stadium.

Reality: Fair play but how can we move and fund a new stadium whilst being relegated to championship? The Everton way is it will probably fall through.

Finally, and most importantly, Everton is about great football and winning matches.

Reality: Possibly the worst football I have seen Everton play in 39 years. We lack identity, passion, commitment, desire and we have the most unbalanced team known to football.

Baffoons are still in charge of club making us a complete fucking laughing stock in world football and to top it off we now have to resign ourselves for paying BIG SAM a shit load of money to help. SAVE US FROM RELEGATION.

Great strategy to get our club back where it belongs!

Ian Lang
391 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:10:09
And this from Alan Myers, oh the mind boggles.

Final decision on the new Everton manager is expected tomorrow, Shakhtar Donetsk Manager Paolo Fonseca and Martin O'Neill are also in the running, Moshiri is leading the search and is expected to make final decision tomorrow, Allardyce is the favourite

Rob Dolby
392 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:10:46
Football is as bent as a dog's back leg and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. David Conn had a book out a few years ago about Premier League club owners which was interesting reading.

Everton are my team and I would support them no matter what. Big Sam is a stepping stone to greater things under Moshiri.

Ash Moore
393 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:11:10
I deliberately didn't state the criteria for withdrawing my support because I know nobody cares. Another point you missed or ignored from the original post. Like the people I mentioned I just won't be here one day Dave. Vote with the feet as it were.

But anyway, whatever Dave. Every support has its arseholes, perhaps we could both agree on that. (Although agree to disagree on whom those aresholes are.)

Colin Grierson
394 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:12:24
As Eugene alluded to on another thread... any bloke who turns this round will do for me. I don't care what he looks like, smells like, sounds like so long as he transforms our fortunes. I'll vet behind anyone so long as they are good at getting results.
Jim Potter
396 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:15:24
If you pray to Allah and dice with death – you're bound to get Allardyce?
Ian Lang
397 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:15:49
Who do you want out of these?

Fonseca
Allardyce
O'Neill

James Marshall
398 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:17:02
I don't understand why people are so bothered about Sam Allardyce being 'corrupt'. If you seriously think he's the only bloke in the game, or in fact anywhere near Everton over the years, then you're likely quite seriously deluded.

Football and big business are as corrupt as the hills are old, and if you think your dear old Everton is immune to that, well I think that's short sighted.

I couldn't give two shits who the manager is as long as we stay in the division.

A few weeks ago I was against Allardyce, but not due to his dodgy dealings – more that I thought we could do better than him, but now? I think he's quite likely to be the best man for the job, given the sorry state we're in.

Our squad is full of lazy arsed no-hopers without a clue how to scrap a point out of a football match, and if there's one thing Sam Allardyce knows, it's how to scrap and scrape for points in the Premier League.

Like him or loathe him, we're up the creek without a paddle and Big Sam is standing on the banks with a life-raft and a set of oars.

Blake Olsen
399 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:20:21
Desperate times cause for desperate measures... we never should have allowed ourselves to get into this situation. I have never seen the Toffees play so pitifully with no "heart" or determination. Whoever is the gaffer they need to sort out the sorry list of players we have at them moment, before we add new blood.
John Gall
400 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:07
What an incredible lack of ambition. Allardyce! In the space of 4 months we've become just another bunch of also-rans. “If you know your history” then you know he should never, ever be Everton manager. Problem is younger fans have no sense of what Everton once represented so accept this situation.

I'd sooner see Everton relegated and then rebuilt and reborn from the bottom than employ this dreadful man to grind out results. If this happens Everton, as a name, means nothing anymore.

Dennis Stevens
401 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:10
I can tell you which two I don't want, Ian.
Ian Lang
402 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:31
I think Fonseca will be Manager tomorrow

16 October 2017 • 10:17 AM
Shakhtar Donetsk manager Paulo Fonseca has revealed that he wants to work in the Premier League, which could prompt renewed interest from Everton.

According to sources in Portugal, Fonseca was among the candidates Everton considered to replace Roberto Martinez in 2016 before appointing Ronald Koeman.

Neil Copeland
403 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:58
I have never really wanted Allardyce but whoever comes in will get my full support. I am an Evertonian through and through, always will be and nothing is ever going to change that.

Now is a time to stand together for the good of Everton, deserting the team is not an option in my opinion as it achieves absolutely nothing and can be extremely damaging. I can't believe anyone on here wants to see us go down so why talk about not going to the game? I respect people's principles but anyone withdrawing their support in this way is, I think, misguided.

Come on TWebbers, Everton needs you more than ever – we can turn this around if we stick together. Let's start by scaring Wet Spam shitless on Wednesday.

COYB

Matthew Williams
404 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:25:14
What if the players don't wanna play for Big Sam & prefer Rhino?!

What a fucking shambles,only one Gaffer can save us & improve us, but Moshiri knows best eh!

Clueless Prick.

James Marshall
405 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:25:39
I don't believe for one minute those of you that claim you'll stop following Everton if Allardyce gets the gig.

Managers, like players, come & go – it's no great shakes. We're the ones who stay the course, not them.

Dave Evans
406 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:27:58
No, Ash, you stated your criteria in your second post you need to read it carefully.

Anyway sorry for all the bad manners/ exasperated fuck-off like suggestion and name calling.

Expanding your theme. Fans who are arseholes are still fans. Arseholes are just arseholes.

As I said chin up. Night.

Simon Smith
407 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:29:45
Let's hope if Sam gets the job he can install some spine back into the team and get some of the players minds in the right place for a dog fight if required, especially those that might be faking injury

I can just imagine the language that he would use in the first team talk

Phil Bellis
408 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:30:49
Bloody ell... You leave iNetland for 2 weeks and all hell breaks loose!!!

Since returning, all I hear from the Norwegians and those "who can't get a ticket" is how our relegation will happen.

I tell them their dads, maybe grandads weren't alive last time but...

All that matters now is those 28 points... Whoever can organise these tossers to get them, you're my man!

Simon Dalzell
409 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:32:30
Spot on, James Marshall. The people who say they'll desert our great club just deserve contempt. I'll be in Main Stand on Wednesday supporting whoever is in charge.
Ian Hollingworth
411 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:33:58
Paul G (#376) spot on. All those who think we are above big Sam read the facts on Paul's post very carefully.

This is not a new low point we have been sliding to this point for some time, it's just coming to a head now.

Is Sam my ideal choice? No, but I want ambition and I think Everton are the best club in the world. Sadly the world of football do not and we have a board that has e shown ZERO ambition since the late eighties.

Sam would have been a better choice than Martinez, he's a better choice than Moyes or Unsworth. I would not have picked him over Koeman but look at how that turned out.

If Sam can get us out of trouble then he will do for me. The future though is down to the board and that's what really worries me.

Don Alexander
412 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:34:50
Allardyce/Dyche/Fonseca/O'Neil/Egg ..........it doesn't really matter whilst we have such buffoons in charge of the boardroom.

They have shown their incompetence to everyone in world football by way of the debacle they caused by sacking Koeman without, it seems, any sort of pre-planned strategy for his successor. Until this misconduct is terminated we will never progress even if we survive this season.

Like him or not Moshiri is the owner and he owes it to himself to look after his investment. Far more importantly his investment is wholly dependent on the ongoing support of the supporters and fans, beguiled as we were by his various stupendous promises when he bought in.

Preliminary, repeat, preliminary plans to create a new stadium is the sum total of his achievements thus far on his sexy three-year "project", and we're now all but halfway through those three years.

I don't know whether he's auditioning for a part in the next Specsavers TV ad but boy does he need to wake up and realise and dispose of who is culpable, if not he himself, for all of his and our woes.

Henry McDonald
413 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:36:16
Fellow Toffees. We have to be realistic here. Inasmuch as I would like it to be Silva or even AVB who in our current state is going to want to manage that disjointed, disinterested, lazy shower of players? I don't like kick-and-rush football of Sam Allardyce but he does get results in the relegation zone. He has a record in keeping teams up.

And as for Sean Dyche, why would he in his right mind switch teams at present when Burnley are riding so high in the league. One thing I think Big Sam will be good at is giving the shirkers at this club a good swift boot up the hole as we say in Belfast. There are so many bottlers and self servers in that squad to be rooted out. We need him to appoint a captain that actually balls out and shouts at the ones screwing up.

The impression you get is that no one is prepared to be a leader to goad, cajole, at times encourage, at other times criticise the under-performers. We need someone with a captain's armband who scares his team mates.

Keane in particular doesn't need love he deserves a kick up the posterior and be told to man-up. Williams just needs shipped out. We have to ensure we stay in top flight first. The manager that can combine free flowing football (which we all want) with solidity at the back can wait till next summer. It's Operation Rescue for now and Big Sam is arriving on Thunderbird 1.
Mike Rothwell
414 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:37:41
28th December 2002, the day I sat in the back row of the main stand and chain smoked my way through 16 regal (I could never stomach embassy).

Mid way through the 0-0 drab encounter, I screwed the box up threw it on the floor and never smoked habitually ever again, it was that bad, the smoking was a prop to tolerate truly shocking football.

That was being on the receiving end of Allardyce's brand of football with a similarly crap standard of misfits in his squad to what we have.

If he's brought in, I fear I'll be forced to smoke again.

Sam Hoare
415 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:37:49
I'll take Fonseca over Allardyce. Not because the former is foreign but because for the last decade his win ratio has barely gone lower than 42% and Allardyce's has barely gone above it. One is a winner and the other a scrapper.

Fair to say we are in a scrap but I still think someone like Fonseca will see us safe and then have far more upside beyond that.

Soren Moyer
416 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:38:42
We should have never wasted 5 weeks on Rhino. It was a big, big risk and it backfired spectacularly! And it's all Kenwright's fault.
David Reid
417 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:41:44
According to SSN, Paulo Fonseca has been interviewed.
John Pierce
418 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:46:25
Al Myers is a very trusted source. But even within his piece, stresses Allardyce is the favourite. Ugh.

Fonseca all day. Progressive, different, not part of the self serving twerps that swap clubs every two years when their methods become stale.

Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Hodgson, Redknapp, O'Neill, Pulis, Moyes.

New blood, new times & fresher outlook.

Fonseca please.

Never Allardyce.

James Marshall
419 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:50:05
Some bloke I've never heard of on Twitter that works for SSN, or something, says "Everton might well pass on Fonseca this time".

I have no idea who he is so it's probably true.

Paul Gallagher
420 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:54:27
Fonseca has an impressive record, likes to play expansive football, prefers a 4-2-3-1. The question for Moshiri can he do it in the EPL. Maybe he won’t take a gamble and opt for Allardyce who has managed 6 clubs in EPL, none has been relegated.
Jackie Barry
421 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:55:11
Bloody hell – if we hire Big Sam after all this it truly shows we are small time. We are going to parade him like it's some massive coup and the RS are going to be in stitches of laughter.
Paul Tran
422 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:56:18
James, Alan Myers used to work in PR for Everton and latterly for Blackburn Rovers until Venkys turned up. Well connected and tends to know his stuff, but as ever, no guarantees. Worth following him if you're on Twitter.
Barry Roberts
423 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:56:37
So it looks like Mike Bassett, Everton manager, doesn't it.

Wait for the press conference where we get Kipling quoted and Everton will be playing four-four-fuckin-two.

James Marshall
424 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:57:23
Paul, not Myers, the guy's name is Kaveh Solheko.

Yep, me neither.

Ernie Baywood
425 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:58:45
I can't believe anyone thinks Allardyce wouldn't take the job.

While on £3 million a year with England, he risked his career for £400k to represent some dodgy company he'd never heard of.

If he's offered money he'll take it. Unfortunately.

Jackie (#424) – the reds I know have stopped laughing at us. We're too pathetic and shite even for them right now.

Paul Tran
426 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:00:05
He works for Sky, James. Seen some of his tweets, but don't follow him and have no idea of accuracy.
Jackie Barry
427 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:04:41
Any other club would of had the Big Sam deal tied up by now but we can’t even do that.
Iain Love
428 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:05:58
Thomas 113, spot on. All those saying they won't support Everton if we appoint Sam...

The guy gets results, saves teams, makes them better than when he started. You never know with better quality he might make a better team.
Stewart Lowe
429 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:06:14
This has set us back 2-3 years in my opinion. Although, now we are at the point if freefall, Allardyce is the right fit to get us out of the hole.

We won't get relegated with Allardyce because We still have some great players, and we also have a heavy wallet to get additions in January. Sunderland and Palace didn't but he still kept them up.

Allardyce won't take any shit from players not giving 100% and they will be gone if they don't. The difference in Allardyce getting 100% effort and Unsworth trying to do the same, is that Unsworth wants the job, so he isn't going to upset ant players as he needs them on his side.

Allardyce will also make us tough to beat and balanced. We need to start enjoying watching Everton play football once more.

Allardyce was probably my 12th choice when Koeman was sacked 5 weeks a go, but do you know what, he is absolutely the right choice at this precise time.

Let's get behind him and get Goodison rocking again.

Alan McGuffog
430 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:07:22
Mike 414. I bear you no ill will but I would be happy for you to take the place of an experimental smoking beagle if it keeps us in the Premiership. Bow cough wow !
Jackie Barry
431 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:08:22
Well if it has to be him I hope he can buy an entirely new back line and striker in January.
Soren Moyer
432 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:10:18
Scratch the weasel from that list please. No to MON!

Why Everton should do everything to get Silva:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017/1127/923236-dunphy-everton-are-stupid-for-not-chasing-silva/

Jim Marray
433 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:10:47
Allardyce is not corrupt despite all the allegations on here. If you actually bother to go and check the reporting of the events you will find that he was offered £400K to go to meetings and represent a company. This was in Allardyce's own words subject to the approval of the FA. At no time did he agree to anything until it was cleared by the FA. Now think about the Redknapp saga with his bank account owning dog and tell me who is corrupt and Redknapp's name came up on this board a few years ago.
The thing that got him sacked was the embarrassment caused to the FA from the things said at the interview, most importantly of all his assertion that it was possible to get around the third party ownership rules and that lots of agents were doing it - something that I believe to be true due to the football academies in Africa and South America.
As for his managing Everton FC, well much as I don't want it if it gets Everton out of the crap it is in then bring him on.
As for the lists of out of work managers most of them are there because they have been sacked (Bilic, Pulis, etc.) or about to be sacked (Vilas-Boas). As for Dyche, one look at the table tells you why he won't come.
The board has created this farce and they are the only ones with the power to fix it and yet despite all the moans about managers and the team I have yet to see or hear anyone calling for the departure of the billionaire that we all wanted to come in and bring their lovely money with them. So let's get real: Moshiri wants to own a Premier League side, he will appoint the manager who will be the best chance of keeping them their and he will expect the fans to back that manager. If we don't then you can start to wave goodbye to the new ground and the Premier League because as Villa and Birmingham and others are finding once you are out doesn't matter how long you were there, getting back without cash is a not an easy option.
Denis Richardson
435 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:08
I noticed Nigel, was kind of liking it reading my phone with my head tilted.

No I have to change position!

Arrrggg!

Alan McGuffog
436 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:46
Dream team: Darracott and Lyons.
Stewart Lowe
437 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:57
I have never known a club to be so quiet and non transparent with fans. The club have not given fans any information as to what the fuck is going on in 5 weeks since Koeman left. It's the not knowing anything that gets us fans depressed.

If the team were at the top and doing amazingly, you can guarantee Elstone and Kenwright would be doing lots if interviews telling all how brilliantly hard the club works to make this happen. The flip side is that when things go guys up, the club goes into hiding and no column inches in 5 weeks. It's not acceptable.

Andrew Grey
438 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:17:00
Fonseca has had 9 manager jobs in the last ten years. That doesn't bode well.
Neil Cremin
439 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:17:37
Oh, what have they done to my club, Ma?!?
Stewart Lowe
440 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:19:30
I've heard the list Everton has drawn up includes:

Sam Allardyce
Dave Bassett
Nigel Pearson
Mike Walker
John Barnes
Carlton Palmer
Gordon Strachan

Tony Twist
441 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:22:31
I think Fonseca is too much of a risk now with the state of these players. Five weeks ago I would have said different. Maybe they are thinking about him for after big Sam has saved us from relegation. Big Sam, unfortunately, at this time, is the wise choice.
Len Hawkins
442 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:26:55
Mike #414

If I was to smoke again it would be with Monica Lewinski enjoying my cigar, wonder what she looks like now. And did she ever get her dress back from the cleaners.

Mike Gaynes
443 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:28:29
Andrew (#438), true but every job was better than the one before, and he has been particularly successful in the past few years, and wildly so at Shakhtar – 54 wins in 69 games, with the league and cup double last season. Plus they play with flair.

Obviously the Ukrainian league bears not the slightest resemblance to the Premier League, but good is good.

Eddie Dunn
444 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:28:58
We are all in the dark and out of the loop and so we disagree over the few names that the media throw us. Our future is in the hands of a former actor with a romantic view of what we stand for – I remember him being Elsie tanner's son in Corrie (and I really didn't like him), and a foreign businessman who made his fortune doing I don't know what.

We are not "The People's Club". We are not members, we have no votes, we are the suckers sitting, waiting while these clowns show themselves to be amateurish.

Many things have been going wrong at Everton for quite some time.

Stones and Lukaku are gone and Barkley nearly went.

The squad has been neglected and recruitment lop-sided. The chickens are coming home to roost.

I'm sure much of the anguish on here is down to the frustration we all feel at being part of something without having a real say in anything.

Gavin Johnson
445 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:34:13
The shadow of corruption doesn't particularly bother me about Big Sam. It's gone on for years. Brian Clough and Don Revie to name just two, were involved into shadowy affairs but we'd take them if they were managing today.

My gripe about appointing Allardyce is that it makes us look like a small time club. I accept that needs must, but having him beyond the summer doesn't sit with me.

Kase Chow
446 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:34:13
Excellent post, Jim (#433),

I personally would be happy to give Big Sam a go.

Get the players working and fighting and showing some teeth. He might even get us to show up at Anfield rather than our annual no show

My only concern is how he handles Rooney. Wayne has lost it. In the one England game Sam had, Rooney played everywhere except for his position. In the post match interview, Sam was asked whether he'd have a word with Rooney but he said that Rooney had more International experience so he would not

I hope he's grown a pair since then.

Andy Williams
447 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:35:24
How do any of these billionaires make their money? Usmanov and his mate, and all the other club owners, I am sure, made their money through ethical concerns. Whilst it's grand to slam Fat Sam (there's a song there to be had) to single him out as one of the most corrupt in the game is farcical. Nobody wants him but very sadly I think we need somebody to shake up this sorry excuse for a team.
Tony Everan
448 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:40:40
They've interviewed Fonseca a decision to be made tomorrow.

Looks like a straight choice now between Big Sam and The Fonz.

Either way, for the good of the club, we have to get behind the chosen one.

Andy Williams
449 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:45:37
Looked up wrong Fonseca on wiki. Roberto Fonseca has had 39 managerial positions since 2003! Sounds ideal. Whilst Paulo obviously has a better record, managing Shaktar is akin to managing Celtic: since '96 the lowest they have come is second and they have won the league 11 times since 2001.
Gordon Crawford
450 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:48:23
Sam for me out of those two.
John Raftery
451 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:48:23
Stewart (429) I can't see any great players in our current squad.

If Allardyce is appointed he will need a few weeks to sort out a system and identify those who can play in it. As ever he doesn't have a magic wand but once he has put a team together we can be assured we will not be the soft touch we have been over the past few months. Teams used to hate going to the Reebok. I look forward to Goodison becoming a similarly hostile place for visiting teams in 2018. Currently we are a laughing stock across the world of football. I want us to be hated. I also look forward to not hearing the words 'project' and 'philosophy' any time soon.

To those arguing for Dyche, yes he has been a great manager for Burnley, but why would they agree to let him leave them in late November? We cannot afford to waste any more time. Our plight is desperate.

James Watts
452 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:53:05
As some one said on Twitter... Give me Fonseca as I know who the other two are.

It's beyond embarrassment it's come down to these 3. How anyone with half a brain could possible welcome O'Neill or a corrupt anti football manager like Allardyce is beyond me.

Think this tells us all we need to know about Moshiri.

Derek Knox
453 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:58:37
So Tony 448, It's Happy Days then! :-)
John Pierce
454 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:59:20
Most on this thread, seem to think Sam just wants swoop in save us, no guarantees, and then will walk away like a good little fella at seasons end.

Why? Because the club thinks the same? If he saves us I absolutely think he’s misguided enough to want more.

And if he takes us down, you expect him to leave or be sacked?

Those who think its okay I can handle him for 6months stomach more?

The contract will be for more than six months that’s for sure, otherwise he won’t come for just that, Everton are in no position to bargain.

Never Allardyce.

Drew O'Neall
455 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:03:53
Good manager, question marks over the man himself.
Marcus Leigh
456 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:04:38
In nearly 60 years of being a Blue, I don't think I can remember ever being this disconsolate, this confused, or this fearful for the future.

Allardyce? Really? I mean, REALLY? Have our options honestly become so narrow? Have our ambitions seriously become so low? I don't know. Maybe they have. Maybe he's actually just what we deserve. Maybe we should just grit our teeth and let him or Pulis, or O'Neill get on with it and hopefully save us from ourselves. And no doubt be thankful to them if, by the end of the season, they've somehow managed to keep us up. But FFS, what a disastrous, embarrassing and humiliating shambles this has become.

Despite everything, I will never stop supporting this wonderful club – the club I have followed man and boy. But right now, it feels like blind faith is the only thing I've got left to hang on to.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Hopefully its still means as much to those who run the club as it does to me.

Frank Crewe
457 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:13:59
Fonseca has had more clubs than Tiger Woods. No chance. Out of O'Neill or Allardyce I would go with Allardyce simply because he has the experience that we require right now. He knows how to produce sides that are difficult to beat so maybe he can organise our bunch of pushovers. Then hopefully in January he can bring in some decent recruits. No glamour players just hard workers who will knuckle down and work hard.

For all you people who appear to be taking to be taking this personally. This is professional football. We are in a perilous position and need to take whatever measures are required to get us out of the mess we are in.

If that means Big Sam then so be it. If he gets us moving in the right direction we'll all be much relieved and maybe we can still have a run at the FA Cup. Brighten up the 2nd half of the season.

Denver Daniels
458 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:21:01
Martin O' Neill is someone taking the piss?
David Barks
459 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:28:37
It has gotten a bit crazy. Everyone talking up the merits of Allardyce, have you looked at his actual managerial record?

Matches= 488, Won 165, Draw 131, Lost 192. 579 Goals for compared to 668 Goals against.

Compare that to the much maligned and hated Moyes:
Matches= 501, Won 196, Draw 136, Lost 169. 654 Goals for compared to 615 Goals against.

Sam's record at West Ham was poor, as was his time at Newcastle and Blackburn. His win percentage is poor. His only time of any sort of success was way back with Bolton and it was a completely different league back then. There is no guarantee with him.

Si Cooper
460 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:31:47
Potentially an even more embarrassing/ damaging volte face if it is now going to be Fat Sam. How can we persuade a better class of manager after this shambolic pursuit followed by crawling back to someone whose only ambition needs to be mid table mediocrity. People making out he is somehow guaranteed to arrest our slump when there is no such guarantee.

I know we are in a bind and the team's form needs to change quickly but is he the guy to get Ross Barkley to recommit to Everton (could make a significant difference to how we play in the short-term), or to attract anything other than journeymen to the club in January? How long would he get before we try to restart the renaissance of the club?

Anyone who was actually around for Royle's so-called ‘Dog's of War' should remember that they had a bit more about them than just physically dominating the opposition. The likes of Limpar and Kanchelskis were world class match winners on their day.

The likes of Allardyce and O'Neill just seem like too many steps backwards for me.

Mark Wynne
461 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:36:40
Ian Wright put it well on Saturday when he said that the players weren’t really playing for Unsworth because they know he’s temporary. Bring in Allardyce until the end of the season and that’s still the case. These guys need to know their careers are on the line when they’re dropped and you don’t get that from a stand in guy.

To those suggesting that Allardyce is given the job longer term, just look at West Brom. They’ve been a yo-yo team for years and Pulis comes in and guarantees them Premier League football. Now that’s not enough for the fans there and they got rid. Even ourselves with Moyes, 1-0 wins and perennial under achievement against the top teams, but we got respectable league finishes. It wasn’t enough. In the end appointing Allardyce is a panic move and one which would inevitably turn sour with fans (even those thinking he’s the great white hope) switching off and demanding change when survival is secure.

John Francis
462 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:40:50
Funny how the words corrupt and crook have been mentioned so often on this thread. Followed by the holier than thou attitude of I am no longer going to support the team if the big fella gets the gig, or something to that effect.

Does that mean these same people have given their full support to a club which has been run by one of the most corrupt and crooked pieces of filth this country has produced? I am not talking of the Curator of the Goodison Museum here. I am talking of sir Philip Green. He of the dodgy BVI loans. Them loans that have kept us in the Prem all these years. The curators good friend, and friend of Everton? yeah right.

Get real peeps. We are in the shit big time. Only Swansea can claim to be as bad as Everton at the minute. We need to stay in the Prem to even have a chance of making it with the big boys.We must do everything possible to stay in the loop until we get to the dock and hopefully kick on. It is big Sam for me with bells on right now, its logical. hes been there done it several times. No other candidate has. Get it done now. coyb.


Bill Watson
463 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:41:23
This is the worst Everton team in my 59 years supporting the club. Not the worst players but the worst team. The side is totally unbalanced and disorganised and yesterday, Southampton, a side who just couldn't score, managed four against us and it could easily have been a lot more.

ALL our wins have been lucky; Stoke, Bournemouth, Watford and also the draws against Brighton, Palace and Man City. The Europa League campaign has been a total embarrassment.

Foresca would be a huge gamble and O'Neill, well thanks but no thanks. Of those being mentioned that leaves Allardyce and, in our current freefall situation, he would bring some method and organisation to the side. Personally, I don't care how we play in the short term,we just need to start picking up some points. The alternative that's staring us in the face is relegation.

If it is Allardyce he needs at least an 18 month contract to sort our overpaid and under-performing players out. Anything less than 18 months and the freeloaders will just tread water until he's gone.

David Israel
464 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:49:12
Nigel #313 I'm sure Big Sam has hacked TW's server.
David Israel
465 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:52:36
Andrew (#438), most of those jobs Fonseca had were in Portugal, where it is a horrible merry-go-round, or so I'm told.
James Stewart
466 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:14:32
@451 because Dyche has a release clause. Around 2m. The fact he wasn't even considered I find astounding.

The Monday night club on 5 live also were bewildered by it and all thought Dyche the perfect man to come in.

Obviously not in Moshiriland where O'Neill is a better bet! The mind boggles.

Ernie Baywood
467 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:31:40
It can't possibly be this hard can it? We're talking about one of the best paid jobs in world football. Of the hundreds of top level managers in the world we could probably nick two thirds of them. Go the next tiers for an up and coming bloke and we'd get any one of them with ease.

Surely someone has had a look around the leagues and decided who they want? It can just be "let's see what the media throw up".

There just doesn't seem to be any plan. The only reason it could take this long is if we're trying to convince people who have no intention of moving or if we're just sitting around twiddling our thumbs.

Clive Mitchell
468 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:34:02
The creature's creatures are now oozing into the press that the creature will need convincing to ooze in charge of Everton. No thanks.
Gary Gibson
469 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:09:36
I think Allardyce would be a good appointment. He's managed more Premier League clubs than any other manager in history and yet he's never been relegated.

And the prospect of relegation is uppermost in all our thoughts right now. Lose again on Wednesday night and we'll be in the bottom 3 at the start of December.

I also like the fact that Allardyce has always spoken in such admiring terms about our club and its history. I think he realises that, although we're in dire straits right now, our long-term ambitions go beyond merely finishing 17th.

He got Bolton into the top 6 and he got West Ham into the top 8. I hope he can one day be similarly successful with us.

James Watts
470 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:37:51
Gary #468.

You think Allardyce will be a good appointment and hopefully one day we'll emulate success such as getting bolton 6th or west ham 8th with him in charge?

Are you kidding me? This is exactly what is wrong with our fans. Applauding such mediocrity and calling it success. Kenwright would be proud of you.

And as a side note, have you ever watched his teams play? Do you realise he has a shite record overall?

I'm sure you'll be front and center applauding when this arrogant, corrupt, anti football tosser signs his 2 and a half year contract tomorrow. Well I won't be. I'll be fucking livid.

Mike Dolan
471 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:59:46
This mean old world works in mysterious ways but in what universe do you start the season with Ronald Koeman and finish it with Sam Allardyce and think you are better off. The transfer window of last summer has the half arsed taint of Kenwright's meddling all over it. We can't even blame Walsh.

At this point we need a full time experienced manager Sam Allardyce would be my last choice but for gods sake I would welcome him because I have never seen any of his clogger teams play as badly as this present Everton team. They are a disgrace.

Barry Jones
472 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:03:52
Rob Halligan #221. I totally agree with you. Well said, like a true fan.
Barry Williams
473 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:15:49
I am not happy with the fact that we have ended up in such a position that Allardyce is being considered. However, in my humble opinion we are in a downward spiral and have been for some time. The problem I see Allardyce, or indeed anyone having, is how do you make Jagielka, Williams, Baines and Keane develop pace that isn't there? How do you inject fight into players that don't appear to have any? A new manager can organise and train them hard, but I feel anyone will struggle with this unbalanced/aged/inexperienced/unwilling squad

From a morale stand point, I am no expert in what Allardyce has actually been accused of, but can we as a club take a morale higher ground? We have a betting company emblazoned across our shirts, our highest paid player was recently caught drink driving and going off with a young lady, despite being married. We have Ferguson sitting on the bench, Jeffers managing the under 23s and Baxter playing for them. I don't need to explain my point with reference to those 3 chaps! There are morale questions hanging over the upper echelons of management too!

Also folks, no one has been appointed yet. Think of the number of names that have been bandied about over the last month. How many have come to fruition so far? The betting favourites have changed every couple of days, so much for those in the know having inside information.


Peter Fearon
474 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:20:20
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO. I would rather see Everton managed by Kenny Dalglish than that big blustering bag of bull crap.
Peter Barry
475 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:23:41
Just when you thought it could not get any worse... along comes Allardyce.
Laurie Hartley
476 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:30:40
Darren # 362 - it will be alright mate (I am sure).

Encumbered forever by desire and ambition
There's a hunger still unsatisfied
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon
Though down this road we've been so many times
The grass was greener
The light was brighter
The taste was sweeter
The nights of wonder
With friends surrounded
The dawn mist glowing
The water flowing
The endless river
Forever and ever

Lets get behind him and turn him into an Evertonian.

Remember what you told me - it's a life sentence.

Up the Blues.

Ernie Baywood
477 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:48:16
I don't want Allardyce but 5 weeks ago I couldn't believe that we would even entertain the idea. 5 weeks later I can understand it, even if I don't agree.

We're at the point now that we were regarding a striker in the summer. Anyone is better than no-one. This time, actually do something!

Jay Harris
478 Posted 28/11/2017 at 04:20:51
The recent poll showed over 80% of us did not wany big Sam and he wasnt even on my list of options but here we are 5 weeks later facing over the precipice and I have come round to the conclusion that we desperately need an appointment before Wednesday and if he is the only option then right now I'll take it.

The positives for me is that he wont ake shit from the players or Kenwright and will at least reinstate some discipline to the worst defence in the Prem.

And BTW Walsh is the one pushing for big Sam and Shakespear so Walsh will not be going anywhere anytime soon if he is appointed.

Alan J Thompson
479 Posted 28/11/2017 at 04:38:55
Confirmation that the Board do not know what they are doing.
Eric Myles
480 Posted 28/11/2017 at 05:40:40
Chris #14 "Enjoy Kevin Davies up front"

I was thinking Andy Carroll.

Peter Howard
481 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:14:49
Anybody who is anybody could soon walk through that door-at Fat Sam's Grand Slam Speakeasy.
Darren Hind
482 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:33:25
Pure panic!

I'm confident we will be mid-table by Saturday and we won't need fireman Sam to get us there.

Phil Sammon
483 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:35:29
A month ago I claimed I’d stop supporting Everton if Allardyce we’re appointed. Fast forward to today and rumours of O’Neill circling and I’m having to rethink the whole thing.

I actually detest Allardyce as a human being, but he’s twice the manager O’Neill is. What a sorry affair this has turned out to be. How in gods name do you go from Diego Simeone to Martin O’Neill? Moshiri may have shitloads of money but he knows absolutely cock-all about football.

We are a laughing stock on and off the pitch. I don’t know how much more I can take!

James Watts
484 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:40:56
Unfortunately, Darren, but it looks like this abhorrent manager will have his fat head well and truly in the door well before Saturday.
Christine Foster
485 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:55:01
It's "wake up and smell the coffee" time...

Because of Koeman, Kenwright and Walsh, we are truly in a perilous position made worse for a temporary manager we all love but has had no positive improvement since appointment. It appears that only the last row shocking performances have finally made the inept board decide immediate action is needed.

Forget style, forget pride, forget the top six..they are tomorrow's dreams now, stolen from us along with hope. In its place is stability, survival and strange unwanted bedfellows. The quality of manager a month ago was up there with the best, now, because of inaction, it's down there with the rest. The fans don't want Sam or Pulls or O'Neill or someone managing in the Ukraine from Happy Days, but because our wonderful management teams staggering errors and complacency, we have a squad with no formation, just players.some good, some dreadful.

It's like a recipe to bake a bun loaf, we are missing the main ingredients and expecting the result to be palatable instead we are choking on it.

From the club that brought you Kirkby, Kings Dock and Sir Philip Green, we can now add Sam Allardyce is it really a surprise?

Amit Vithlani
486 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:05:32
It's like the girl you loved, shacking up with a wrong 'un. Yes, no-one dare mess with the gangster's moll, but once he's done with her, you will have to be there to pick up the pieces.

Need George's cosmic grooves to get through this.

Paul Smith
487 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:05:39
Christine you forgot to mention Moshiri who clearly has not a Danny la Rue about football .
Duncan McDine
488 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:06:01
Phil (#483), you're not the first and won't be the last to come on here with wild claims about “giving up on Everton if so and so is in charge”. I find it all a bit childish attention seeking. We're all hurting and pissed off, but 99% of us will still be here if we end up in League 2!

Regarding the managerial position, lets wait and see... Everton have used ‘smoke screens' in many of their past dealings. Allardyce and O'Neill may well be filed into that box, let's hope so.

Christopher Timmins
489 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:07:53
I said it after Sunday's melt down against Southampton, we need to get behind the next manager.

We downed tools in the second half on Sunday, we are in terrible state on the field, we have a bloated squad full of moderate, sulky confidence shot players, a Chairman who is not up to the job and an owner with no knowledge of the game who things he is cleaver making public announcements via Jim White.

We need to avoid relegation at all costs and if it happens that Big Sam walks through the front door this week, embrace him as we need him a lot more than he needs us!

Phil Sammon
490 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:33:44
Well thankyou, Duncan 488, for your insightful comments.

It was said entirely in jest. Hopefully this post is ok and doesn’t come as attention seeking to you because your opinion really matters to me.

Kunal Desai
491 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:36:35
The club is run worse than a tuck shop. Faffing about wasting time. The delay in sacking Martinez, the long continued chase of Sigurdsson, delayed sacking of Koeman and now the time taken to appoint another manager.

A potential manager who will now screw over the club as he holds all the cards because the club is desperate. This must be one of the very few worst operated clubs in all four divisions. I bet non league clubs are far more efficient.

John G Davies
492 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:44:52
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-now-willing-hand-sam-11598446

He's playing hard to get.

Thats typical of what this club has been reduced to.

Colin Glassar
493 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:08:38
I woke up this morning thinking this was all a nightmare. It isn’t.
John G Davies
494 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:17:37
Kunai 491,

It will be the Friar Tuck shop if he gets the job.

Eddie Dunn
495 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:21:09
Perhaps Unsie will lead us to a handsome win over Moyes's Irons and suddenly we will all sigh and hope for better days then Silva, fresh from his game with utd resigns and on Friday we unveil him as our new Manager.
Justin Doone
496 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:27:55
NSNO

BIG SAM = NO

Some of the 80% may be feeling pressure but nothing has changed other than failing to pick up points.

Still time to run the rule and buy a few quality experienced players in January for now not for the future.

Like most rumours I put this in the smelly pile. If it happens I expect 80% to still demonstrate their I'll feelings to the leech and to the inept board.

The big headed fool should not be taki g us for a ride. No BIG pay day Sam or Palace. Don't fall for it.

I remember Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham and Palace all getting thrashed numerous times under his management.

History and facts haven't changed only the desperate minds of the delegates few. Not good enough end of.

I have not Googled this but I think Pulis has a better more consistent record whilst stabilising clubs. Sam doesn't give a poo about what happens next to clubs.

Do I want Pulis no, but a given a choice of the two every time. Plus he has no ties or contracts to pay off.

I'm still rooting for Mancini = NSNO
And those who think I'm talking from the rear, money talks.

Ray Robinson
497 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:33:42
For those of you that think Big Sam will be able to shake things up, well Koeman was a pretty narky, no-nonsense guy and it didn't work for him, did it? As someone else said earlier, a good rollicking isn't going to make Baines, Jags and Williams suddenly become speed merchants, is it? I don't really want Big Sam as manager but needs must. If he can't get the players playing, he will at least know what to do in the transfer window. Don't compare his winning record with anyone else's either. By definition, Bolton apart, he has always taken over at struggling sides, so his winning percentage is not going to be very good is it?

Darren, #482. You wanted Koeman gone virtually from Day 1 and yet you're now describing replacing the manager now as a panic measure on the basis that we might be mid table by the weekend. I sincerely hope you're right but how long do you wait before taking action? Besides, with 18 points by the weekend, I would still be fearful. I don't attach any blame to Unsworth by the way but it isn't working for him is it?

Whoever takes over, it's going to take a big window to stabilise the ship.

Andrew Ellams
498 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:38:13
The things is with Allardyce is not so much what he brings on the pitch but more what is he up to off it. I saw somewhere that the new man will be given something like £70million to spend in January. That will fill an awful lot of brown envelopes.
Dale Rose
499 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:53:16
Not happy at all, but as we are fucked, we don't have a choice, things are going from bad to worse. That display on Sunday was just awful.
Mike Oates
500 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:53:31
He will first and foremost stop the rot. It wont be pretty at all. He has shown that he can build a decent football team, his Bolton team which finished 5th or 6th in the mid 90s. Included some creative talent Ochoa, Djorkioff, etc BUT he will never give kids a chance.

His mantra has and always will be (read his book) – rely on experience, that's why he bought 4 or 5, 30-year-olds in the above Bolton team instead of giving youth a chance. I can't see us ever seeing Dowell, Lookman, Davies, Kenny, Baningime, Calvert-Lewin as regulars in the team .

Tony Dove
501 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:54:52
Just woken up and realised it was not just a nightmare. The thought of Allardyce and Sammy Lee should be too horrendous for any blue.
Tony Dove
502 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:59:51
Sorry Colin,didn't spot your earlier post. It truly is a nightmare though.
Steve Guy
503 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:02:56
At the risk of affecting the more sensitive amongst readers, there are some on here who still seem to think we are not in great danger of seeing Everton relegated. This is most definitely where we are.

Whilst decrying Allardyce, there are others who think managers are queuing up to take up the reins on a complete basket case of a football club. They're not.

So, if Allardyce is appointed do what I'll do suck it up and wait for better times. Because it could be a lot worse than a year or two of Allardyce and staying a Premier League side.

Cindy Cole
504 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:03:27
Could someone pass me the magic sponge?
Tony Dove
505 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:06:47
Cindy is that the stuff you get in Amsterdam? If so I'll have a large slice.
Mark Dunford
506 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:07:21
Allardyce is a dreadful choice. It will end terribly after the first sign of trouble leads to an outbreak of genuine anger with calls for his head coming thick and fast. Heaven knows who the next interim could be. We're in a terrible spot but this appointment isn't the answer. He carries far too much baggage. Beggars can be choosers.

I'm pleased Koeman has gone – his summertime legacy is the biggest root cause of our problems. The only mooted plausible replacement that felt a good bet to me was AVB.

Amit Vithlani
507 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:11:54
Reading the post of Steve Guy @ 503, I am now busy looking into various gov.uk sites to check for the license issued to one S Allardyce as the licensed monopoly for saving clubs in danger of Premier League relegation.

Apparently, there are no alternatives.

Under the laws of the land, a failure to appoint Allardyce, holder of said licensed monopoly, will guarantee relegation from the Premier League.

Timothy Blanshard
508 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:15:35
If it's Sam, he sorts his mess out and we actually get something out of the Liverpool game then start climbing the table he'll do for me for now. We have to be realistic.
Karl Brightman
509 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:17:30
No, no, no, no, no! Please, Mr Kenwright, if you are reading these comments, do not ruin the integrity of this club by signing Allardyce as a manager. We may be struggling but Everton is a respected name and this man will tarnish it.
Justin Doone
510 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:30:25
Silva and Dyche both under contract at other clubs have not publicly turned us down. They would love a chance but the clubs have prevented them from speaking to us. Good on them.

BIG Sam publicly stated he no longer wants it.. move on.

I'm happy with that and will not give up hope until it's all finalised. We all know that journalists get pay to write, what they write doesn't appear to have any bearing on their pay.

Slight change of topic but similar press release from our naive board. Wasn't Gana Gueye following Lukaku in being 99% certain to sign a new contract?

I've heard no confirmation of this and worry about how many other contracts are running out this summer?

I'll keep on typing it until he arrives, get Mancini in.

Michael Farrelly
511 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:43:00
Sam Allardyce appointment – get me a fucking rope and a chair!
Stan Schofield
512 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:57:02
It's amusing how some folks call Allardyce a 'more realistic option' to 'get us out of this mess'. His record is patchy at best, and broadly very mediocre. Yet some on here talk as if he's a guaranteed bet for getting a team to avoid relegation. He's not, is as simple as that.

There's a difference between sensible urgency to solve a problem, and a knee-jerk panic reaction to that problem. The Allardyce option belongs firmly in the latter category.

Andy Meighan
513 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:03:06
Darren (#482),

I've always agreed with the majority of your posts. Sorry, this is one where I don't share your optimism that we will be mid-table by Saturday The realist in me sees us taking one point from the 2 games.

Why? We leak goals so easily There's no doubt we 'll concede 4 or 5 in both games, we are so easy to get at.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong here, I really do, but I can see a 3-1 defeat to West Ham and a 2-2 draw against Huddersfield... Regardless of whether it's Unsworth, Allardyce or A N Other in charge. This 'll go on for a bit yet...

Paul A Smith
514 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:23:04
Finding all this Allardyce corruption stuff amusing after The Moshiri/Usmanov roles came to look as dodgy as an offshore banker.

I think knee-jerk is calling him terrible or calling him great. He is as close to what we need of all the names mentioned I have seen.

John Gall
515 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:39:52
How completely depressing that some on here are already addressing him affectionately as 'Sam', like he's an old buddy. We are not in a relegation battle – it is still November! We do not need a cynical old pro like him, damaged goods, utterly discredited in the game, to join a club that still, perhaps laughably, claims 'Nil Satis Nisi Optimum' from its shirts.

Does that mean anything anymore? Have we given up on reaching for the stars and glory? My Latin's not up to much but should we end up with 'Sam' the motto must surely be amended to something like 'Omni Satis': anything goes!

Mike Keating
516 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:41:30
David (#148),

The Dogs of War not only stayed up, they went on to lift our last trophy.

OMG... I'm drifting towards Allardyce.

Peter Laing
517 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:49:30
After 6 long weeks of deliberation and Allardyce seemingly the bookies favorite to take charge the ToffeeWeb poll on big Sam remains a dead heat! Whoever comes in needs to replace the Captain and Vice Captain forthwith with somebody with the bollocks for the fight ahead.

The pathetic site of Jagielka once again laughing and joking with Fraser Forster in the tunnel before kick-off was nauseating and provided insight into the lack of leadership and complete disregard of the players to the current perilous position the Club finds itself in. Give the captaincy to Rooney and the Vice Captain should be Coleman.

James Morgan
518 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:05:15
We need Sam cause we are shite, simple. If the board hadn’t dicked about so long we might’ve got Dyche but hey ho.
Steve Brown
519 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:20:59
I am not watching an Everton game while Allardyce is in charge. He represents everything that is wrong with English football. Fortunately, if we do hire this cynical, corrupt failure he won't last 9 months.
Mal van Schaick
520 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:31:50
With Big Sam, it's all about the money even if he fails!

Unfortunately, if this is the only option that will keep Everton in the Premier league, then the club might have to 'bite the bullet'!

I'm not comfortable with it, because of his past misdemeanours, but there is always the option to sack him after he has kept us in the league, pay him his millions compo, and from his appointment look at other manager options for the future.

Moshri, will take the hit in his pocket and claw it back another way!

That's life!

Joe Bibb
521 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:38:45
Typical Corner shop mentality, now we are to be run by the Premier League's 'Arkwright' . Unlike Arkwright, Sam did mange to get his hand in the till.
Dave Abrahams
522 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:48:19
I don't know who is coming in, but one of the coaches got some bad news at Finch Farm yesterday afternoon.

As Christine Forster says, in one of the above posts, we really haven't got the ingredients to make a decent team, I hope whoever comes in is a very good chef and can make a good meal out of anything.

Dave Evans
523 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:54:49
Steve @519 I will be watching Everton games because that what fans do.
Also in your position I would not be drawn to watching anyone else because I would refuse to believe the managers and boards of other teams have a golden glow around their arses.
Mike Owen
524 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:08:35
I am very disappointed that none of you have had the good manners to stop fretting about Everton and offer your congratulations to Harry and the lovely Meghan. Allow me to make a toast to King, Country and Big Sam.

But I must admit I am worried about Allardyce's commitment to cup competitions (he'd play the ladies in the FA Cup 3rd round) and whether the young lads would get a look in, especially Looklad.

Yeah, Everton afe driving me crackers too. Five hundred comments in 24 hours! This must be a ToffeeWeb record.

Anthony Hawkins
525 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:23:30
I was looking through the first team players list and it's easy to see why the team are in the position they are. Good manager or not, the back four are all 29 and over, other than Keane and excluding Holgate.

A decent midfield could be cobbled together if all players were fit however it's bereft of depth in quality.

I won't both typing about the strikers.

There's far too much emphasis on experience based on an aging squad and reliance on youth to paper over the cracks.

Any manager who comes in will need to be a great motivator and strong to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff. Who's having the difficult discussion about (not) playing Rooney?

Anthony Hawkins
526 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:29:03
@Peter Laing 517 – Give the captaincy to Rooney? Are you having a laugh? The guy shouldn't be on the pitch let alone captain! He's a big name in the dressing room but he's done as a player. Coleman is injured.

The team does need people who'll take the bull by the horns but they have to be players who are going to be playing.

Steve Brown
527 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:30:38
Dave (#523), good for you. Give yourself fan of the year. Who the hell said I would be watching anyone else? I have only followed one team in the 50 years I have been on this planet, same team as so park the condescension chump.
Paul Mackie
528 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:31:22
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. If Allardyce comes in then I'm done with Everton for the duration. His teams always play shit football and he'll be sacked after 10 months and leave us with a squad full of even worse cloggers than we have now.

That's before you even take any of his dodgy dealings into account...

Peter Carpenter
529 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:32:40
You are quite right Mike (524). We should congratulate the young prince, and it should help with Brexit too, as he now has a hot line to her mother Angela. That should help smooth things along.

As far as BF Sam is concerned; the house is on fire and one way to put it out is to knock the place down. But then you've still got to rebuild afterwards and I don't think Fireman Sam sticks around for that part any more, does he?

So, it's a big NO from me. There are other firemen around.

Steve Ferns
530 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:38:25
Count me in as well. What do we spend a season? When you total up the tickets, the travel, the beer before the game, the food, merchandise, etc etc, I believe it will be well over £1,000 for any Evertonian.

So who are any of you to say that we should commit to spending that on the club if they appoint a manager who goes against everything this club stands for.

And as for the Philip Green argument, if he tried to buy the club we would protest that. He never had an official position. So that argument is not really valid, but for what it's worth, I don't shop at any of his stores, so the same principle applies.

Ernie Baywood
531 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:10:13
Anthony 525, there's not much wheat around!

Realistically, what can anyone do with this current team before January? I can think of four that you might say you could fit into a half decent team (Pickford, Keane, Gueye, Sigi). The rest will have to come from players who you'll accept as giving their all (maybe Beni, Davies, Niasse) and then a host of players you ideally wouldn't want anywhere near a shirt.

So what does any manager do? The answer is whatever they can for a month while they're lining up signings for the first week in January. We'll still have some chaff in the 11 but bringing in defensive and attacking bodies are the big decisions to be made... that's what will make the difference.

If that's the job description, would you pick Allardyce? To go and spend millions?

I've got standards, but I'll get over them for us to stay in the league. Whatever it takes is the order of the day. I'm just not convinced we gain anything from Allardyce. You can't make this defence solid. They're old and shit.

John Wilson
532 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:22:02
Stop all this whingeing, are you so bourgeois that you'll stop following Everton. Fine, give all your season tickets to those who can't afford them and am sure they'll take your place in a heart beat.

I wonder if these whingers are the same out of touch people who talk about Brexit... ie, middle class people. I remember when Everton were for the working classes... now it's polluted by an over-representation of middle class whingers.

John Keating
533 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:25:29
What I find particularly amazing is that we still have people who seem to think we are in some kind of blip. We are not in a relegation issue we are over reacting, we can bring in a top top manager – who? – and just dick about with this dross until January.

In January we can just sign some top strikers and defenders and ease ourselves out of trouble. Oh yes, and what we've been hearing for weeks now, we are only 2 wins from mid-table. Unbelievable!

We have wasted 5 weeks, actually longer as Koeman should have gone long before he did. Now we have a load of supporters saying IF we employ Allardyce they will never go again! You just couldn't make this up.

Well lads I'll let you know how many empty seats there are tomorrow night. Reading some of the threads, it look like there'll be me and about a dozen more at the game.

James Cadwaladr
534 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:44:12
I had a bet on Unsworth when Koeman's sacking was announced.

Whoever it is can we please wait until after the Apollon Limassol game as that will be when Unsworth will have taken charge of 10 games which is when Paddy Power pay out and I've got £800 riding on it.

Being as terrible as we are, losing the £ and getting Allardyce will be the worst Christmas ever.

Kim Vivian
535 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:54:30
First off I would emphatically prefer no Sam.

This was Klopp (sorry) speaking about fans...

"They make all the difference and that's how it is. Football only works – in my understanding – if we all work together and that means involving the crowd, 100%. We do it only when people are interested and when they leave it feels strange, you feel it. We perform better when the atmosphere is there."

It's true.

So to all you conscientious objectors who will take an 'Allardyce sabbatical' bear it in mind. We might not want him but the team needs all the help they can get, so I will be behind them, for better or worse, whoever we get in.

Stan Schofield
536 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:57:44
The ToffeeWeb poll is currently running 52% against Allardyce, compared with 80% in the previous poll.

I mentioned the 80/20 split of the previous poll to a red mate of mine. He said he could imagine 80% of Liverpool supporters would vote the other way, they'd love Allardyce to manage Everton. I said I could imagine ALL Liverpool supporters would love it.

John Wilson
537 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:07:01
Let's use some rational science, the statistics of probability. There is a strong probability that Everton will be relegated; and or will be in relegation battles; for the foreseeable immediate future at least.

Why, well because Everton do not have a team currently they have individuals who can't defend, who can't score (Niasse would not have been in Everton otherwise, in snobbery reality). Based on previous performances – with no suitable person in the right position (mentally able to run Everton to win games to stay in the Premier League) to captain the proverbial ship, we are up shit creek without a paddle.

Everton are not just going to change overnight. Apparently we need to get 28 points. If we can't win against the least teams at home or away, how do we score sufficiently enough to stay in the Premier League?

Jim Whiffen
538 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:07:06
How about we all get one vote for every game we've been to this season? I'm currently on 17 away match credits and seen nothing but hoof ball all season.
Eddie Dunn
539 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:12:03
John Wilson. Well said! Loads of people are priced-out of football these days and would love the chance to support our team.

By the way good football has been the exception to the rule in the last 30 odd years, so let's not kid ourselves that we are the bloody school of science anymore. If the new guy gets us winning – I'll be happy.

Brian Harrison
540 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:13:03
I can well imagine Allardyce and his agent screwing every penny they can from this deal. And I guess he will be making sure that if Moshiri intends to sack him at the end of the season, then his pay off will be substantial, and quite right that he should.

I see even the Echo are running a piece on how Walsh has surrounded himself with yes men, to cement his position. How ironic that the man who should have gone with Koeman is in such a position of strength. By all accounts he is the one who suggested Allardyce and Shakespeare should take over, protecting his position still further.

I wonder if he would be prepared to give an interview to give us an insight into how we let Lukaku, Valencia, and Kone go and not replace them. Also, they knew Barkley wouldn't sign another contract and was looking to move on so another striker from last season they couldn't use.

David Harrison
541 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:38:30
Why, 5 weeks in are we still talking about a fucking shortlist!!!!?
Jay Wood
542 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:51:08
Whilst I respect the declarations of some on how they intend to boycott or even break their affiliation completely with the club if Sam Allardyce is appointed manager, I really don't understand their reasoning.

Some are attempting to dress it up as making a moral or ethical stand due to Sam's 'alleged' corruption. I have to apply the adjective alleged because he certainly has not been charged or convicted on such in a court of law, let alone by the FA, the governing body of football in England.

If they wish to make such a moral and ethical stand against an unconvicted man, it is not unreasonable to question why they have not done so earlier in Everton's history against those who have been woven into the fabric of the club.

Sir John Moores, well known in our parish, was actually prosecuted in the early days of his Littlewood football pool betting business. The link between gambling and its negative social impact on (often) low income families is long established and continues to this day.

Similarly, we have had and continue to have countless sponsorship deals with breweries and betting firms when alcohol consumption and gambling clearly has negative impact on many individuals, homes and families.

Were the 'abstainers' to Sam vocal or active in their condemnation of Sir John who turned us into the 'Everton Millionaires'?

In more recent years, we have learnt the odious Philip Green, he of the collapsed BHS business and siphoning off the pension funds of thousands of people, was indeed a shadow director helping to prop up Bill Kenwright all these years.

Isn't THAT more worthy of taking a moral and ethical stand regarding your support of Everton FB, rather than the (possible) appointment of an innocent man?

And what of the current incumbent and de facto owner of the club, Moshiri, and his association with Usmanov. Are you dissenters not just a teeny weeny bit queasy or inquisitive as to how Usmanov (and Moshiri) built their fortunes on the back of the collapse of the Soviet Union?

All the above examples, it can be reasonably argued, impacted far more negatively on many more real world lives than any offence Sam Allardyce's 'alleged' crimes could ever do.

This post is not about the various merits or demerits of Sam Allardyce.

It is exclusively about what I view as so much posturing and grandstanding by some over his possible, speculative, far from confirmed appointment.

Personally, I simply cannot envisage a day when I even contemplate, let alone declare on a public forum, that I 'quit' Everton.

For better, for worse; for richer, for poorer; in sickness and in health; I am condemned to love and to cherish Everton (and to be HUGELY exasperated by them more times than is healthy for me), till death do us part.

Andy Dempsey
543 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:00:40
Allardyce divides the fan-base. Allardyce is Brexit. He is austerity football. Don't you dare to dream of anything other than survival.

To the middle-class moaners who are saying they won't go the game – shame on you! How dare you make it all about you. This is Everton; it's not about you. Isn't that right, John Wilson?

Putting irony to one side, and diving into the deep-end of sincerity for a second... No-one is bigger than the club, except Sam Allardyce. He does not give one solitary fuck about Everton, I can guarantee you that.

Grim times. Fuck me.

John Wilson
544 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:01:05
Large football organisations such as Everton are not accountable to fans directly, ie, they're responsible to the money machine, ie, the shareholders. EFC will never say to fans "We're incompetent and couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery; we have controlling alpha male type personalities; we wear fine suits and enjoy an amazing life, the jet-set; dining in the finest restaurant.

"Sure, the fans may contribute to our wages, but come on there's a hierarchy where they're underlings and we are at the top.

"Tell fans, 'be transparent'.... but why do I need to do that when we have finest of educations and could avoid answering your questions (without so much as building up a sweat)."

No, the fans will learn what's going on at EFC through the usual channels, Chinese whispers, speculation, hearsay, until we need to tell them.

Look, I am above you, and you're below me (see the Two Ronnies 'class' sketch), now continue to purchase your season tickets because it's the only way you lot can function, ie, you need football for your survival; is why you attend games without question.

Our staff kick a ball of air around for around 90 minutes, we make them millionaires in so doing with sponsorship and the commercial interests in the Premier League.

Oh, sorry you were asking about an interview why Lukaku, Valencia et al left the club without replacements. I can tell you, my designer wife enjoys my new Aston Martin. Allardyce has one too. Now please fuck off and remember your place in society. It reminds me, I have to check on my shares. Yours, EFC

John Wilson
546 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:07:05
Proper grammar. I think grammatically it ought to be, 'appropriate' grammar.
Andy Dempsey
547 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:13:13
Whoever comes in, we need to time that new manager bounce effect for the Derby at Anfield. If it’s Allardyce, and he wins at Anfield. We’ll all be behind him.
I think he needs that. I think we all fucking need that, obviously.
Jeff Spiers
548 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:13:43
Jay Wood, you are so right
John Wilson
549 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:16:39
Dempsey, A., Sam is the relegation specialist and the grandiose in TW's middle class ranks need to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee. Everton are probably the worst team in Premier League and potentially worse than several of the top Championship teams.

Let's wake up from this predictably foreseeable nightmare (relatively speaking), and accept the sobering reality that Everton are going down as it were unless there were to be some proportionate intervention.

Some middle-class people are like the proverbial lobster, who slowly boil to the extent that they are oblivious to glaringly obvious (relatively speaking), ie, they're dead in the water (quite literally).

Gavin Johnson
550 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:26:48
John (#547),

I'm definitely not middle-class and don't want Sam Allardyce on a long-term contract, which is what it would be now.

John Wilson
551 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:33:27
Gavin,

I was speaking about the middle class who can afford to buy season tickets and are in a position to choose not to attend. Broadly speaking I also refer to middle class as society who are out of touch with lower class society's needs. I was referring to these (middle class) as the whingers incidentally.

Everton can sack Allardyce – right now, I am thinking of Everton staying in the Premier league; I think this is what is at stake now. It's like damage control, which would be to bring in a relegation specialist. If we stay up, we can worry about a 'luxury' manager then.

Lawrence Green
552 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:43:44
John (#547),

Could you provide your definition of middle class as I'm not sure whether I might be a peasant or a member of the proletariat or perhaps I may scrape in to the ranks of the petite bourgeoisie but whichever strata of society I may belong to it has absolutely no bearing on my views about Sam Allardyce becoming the manager of Everton FC.

Dave Pritchard
553 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:50:11
Typical Everton. Now responsible for a class war.

My parents were both factory workers and I was a schoolteacher. Not sure what class that makes me.

Those saying Sam would make them stop going to the game, Koeman's brand of football meant I've gone far less often than I used to. You pay your money (or decide not to) and make your choice.

Michael Lynch
554 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:55:29
Dave, I think it makes you a lobster according to Wolfie Smith @549.
Geoff Lambert
555 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:56:48
If I want to put my last £50 on who the next manager will be, who would you think I should gamble on??

Should I play safe with Fat Sam? Or take a bit of a risk for better odds??

Just for fun of course, because when the fun stops I stop going to the games.

James Hughes
557 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:07:14
John, do we have segregated seating at The Old Lady?

peasants in one area, proles another, lower middle class, middle middle class etc etc.

Wherever the peasants are sitting can I join them please (when I get to attend)

If you have a season ticket and IF you choose not to attend, that does not make you middle class. Just means you are exercising your rights.

I do have aspirations of joining Lawrence in the petite bourgeoisie, can you help?

Brian Williams
558 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:14:19
What would stop me going to the game, despite being a working class season ticket holder who can afford not to go after having forked out for said season ticket, isn't down to who ends up as our manager.

I'll stop when I see a lack of effort, lack of desire, lack of bottle, backing out of 50/50 balls, and a general couldn't really give a fuck attitude, on the pitch.

I'm close!

Frank Sheppard
559 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:20:55
It's easy to criticise those running our beloved club, but reading many of the comments here shows that they have opinions and thought processes that could have got us in even more bother than we are already in.

Whoever gets the gig, we have to support him and the team, because ALL that matters now is a string of wins, and that the losses, when they come, are not embarrassingly bad. COYB.

Daniel Metcalf
560 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:23:13
For me appointing Allardyce is a must, this club is in a mess both on and off the pitch. The current situation is not fair on Unsworth however he should never have been left hanging in this position for so long.

For a club like Everton to stall and hesitate over appointing a new manager baffles me, Crystal Palace appointed Roy Hodgson within 24 hours of sacking De Boer. Even West Ham did not hesitate to bring in Moyes straight away, yet we sit here well over 5 weeks after sacking Koeman with no indication on how long we need to wait for a new man at the helm.

This should not have been allowed and shows a complete lack of organisation and leadership from those above. I want to see an Everton side fight and frustrate the opposition in every game we play, we may be dull and boring at times but if that means our premier league status is confirmed come May then I don't really care.
Rob Henderson
561 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:29:42
I know it's only betting odds but interesting to see that Fonseca is now in to evens and Allardyce lengthened to similar. A huge shift from first thing this morning when the fat one was as short as 1/9.

We can only hope .

Eoin Whyte
562 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:39:55
We have one of the worst chairmen in the Premier League so rather than talk about giving up your tickets, why not go and make your voices be heard in protest? Bring a sign while you're at it too!

If you give up on the club then really are you any better than our current crop of players? People seem quite happy to let Bill Kenwright walk all over Everton Football Club.

Jay Griffiths
564 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:52:42
People not going to attend games for the foreseeable future? That it came to this eh. They won't go because Sam is a conniving, devious, wrangling, hard headed twat. Yes?

Pretty much. Ironically, the very characteristics we now need at the helm.

Another TW poll: Is your hatred of Sam greater than your love of Everton?

Tom Bowers
565 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:16:30
Because we long suffering fans are all upset at what has happened so far this season I think there is a lot of over-reaction regarding a new manager.

Sure the Blues are in a bad position and deservedly so after the awful performances but it's not even December yet and with other players getting ready to return we don't want a knee-jerk reaction in the managerial department.

Writing potential new managers off before they have had a chance to do something with this bunch is wrong.

Allardyce, whilst not everyone's cup of tea, for one reason or another is available and has a decent history.

I hasten to add that he is English and a Northerner which may not amount to much for some but he will be able to communicate with most of the squad quickly and better than someone from Europe who doesn't speak English very well.

There are exceptions of course but Everton need someone who can get on top of the situation quickly.

The alternatives are there if you prefer Pulis, O'Neill, Bilic or Fonseca maybe.

Apparently first time around Everton only offered Allardyce a short term contract till end of the season but I guess he felt it wouldn't be worth his effort if Everton were to have someone else in mind for next season.

Either way we are all in agreement that the situation is dire and needs a remedy before things get much worse.

Mike Crawford
566 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:39:34
Rob @561.

I imagine calculating betting odds is somewhat difficult as no one at the top appears to have the slightest idea who to appoint.

Michael Lynch
567 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:43:30
Word on Twitter is that Fonseca has turned us down, so looks like Sam's the only game in town. God help us. Personally, I'll get right behind the team whoever is in charge. If it is Sam, I hope he sorts us out and we start to climb the table. We can worry about free-flowing football after that.
Michael Mcloughlin
568 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:52:44
Sam now 1/8 with Skybet.
Dennis Stevens
569 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:59:33
I thought Allardyce was from the Midlands, Tom.
Tony Everan
570 Posted 28/11/2017 at 18:01:59
Karl Marx wouldn’t touch Big Sam with a barge prole.
Michael Mcloughlin
571 Posted 28/11/2017 at 18:12:28
Sam from Dudley
Geoff Lambert
572 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:23:04
Apologies to and ladies on line...

Just watching Sky Sports News; that Kirsty has got a pair on show tonight...

John Otway
573 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:32:08
Geoff. If you're 12 then you're forgiven. If not, dear me!!
Andrew Ellams
574 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:34:46
Somebody has just sent me a link to the Nigel Farage Facebook page where there is a whole thread with Allardyce being lauded as some of role model for Farage's minions. Does this mean we'll be seeing Farage sitting with Billy Liar on matchdays?
Geoff Lambert
575 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:37:28
John – not 12 or Gay.
Michael Nisbet
576 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:38:41
Oh my god, this makes me feel sick that he's even being linked with us. I detest the idea of him being in charge.
Mark Wynne
577 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:39:39
The only “big club” experience Allardyce had was at Newcastle and he was a car crash. I want what some of you are smoking, because I don't see this as a “save us from the drop please” moment rather a “small club who only cares about being in the premier league” moment. He's playing hard ball with our board for a long term contract.

This time next year, I guarantee those 48% on the poll who think it's a good idea will be horrified at what they sanctioned. To get rid of him will probably cost £20 mil.

I do not want this man anywhere near Everton.

Joe McMahon
578 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:44:50
He's not that bad, he won at Anfield with Palace earlier this year, not many Everton managers have done that, he also kept Sunderland up and months later you know who relegated them.

Also, will folk please stop saying Fat Sam (It's not Viz from 25 years ago). If he is Fat Sam, what on earth is David Unsworth??? Unsworth must be 20+ stone.

Michael Nisbet
579 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:52:53
Winning against Liverpool is not as big a thing for Palace as it is for Everton. You can't measure that. He might have 'kept Sunderland up', but it's not as if Moyes had much to work with by the time he took over. He hardly took them up and away from danger, just merely scraped by. There's a reason he's the biggest journeyman in the Premier League.

Allardyce will ruin everything I love about this club. How can we call ourselves 'The People's Club' when we appoint a guy who had to resign as England manager because he is corrupt. Absolutely ridiculous.

Marcus Leigh
580 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:53:27
Andrew Ellams @574

Farage and Allardyce? What a combo. One's already done his best to ensure our country is finished, the other will do the same for our club. The future's bright. The future's any colour we bloody well like except blue.

James Marshall
581 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:56:41
Whoever takes over is going to have their work cut out – I just realised we could be in the bottom three tonight if Palace win by three goals, and West Brom avoid defeat.
Joe McMahon
582 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:03:02
Michael (#579) the last thing I will say about this is if winning at Anfield in April is not impressive how about Palace also beating Arsenal 3 - 0, in the same month.

You also say "Moyes had much to work with by the time he took over Sunderland", but Sam joined Sunderland in October 2015 when they were 2nd from bottom. He's not my fist choice but we won't get Silva, in Everton's dire situation with a defence like a Colander, we can't be fussy or snoby, Sam is the correct appointment.

Michael Lynch
583 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:10:14
James, if Palace win, WBA avoid defeat, Swans do the impossible at Chelsea tomorrow and West Ham do the inevitable and beat us, we're bottom mate. Bottom of the table.

Incredibly, there are those on here who tell us we're not in the shit.

Edit: sorry, getting carried away, Palace will still be below us. We'll be second bottom. That's okay then.

Michael Nisbet
584 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:15:25
Allardyce joined Sunderland in October, 8 games in to the season. He had a January transfer window where he signed 3 players. Sunderland *just* avoided relegation on the last day of the season. MOI don't think he is the correct appointment for us on any level.

Grant Rorrison
585 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:15:31
Michael (#583). Palace are 4 points behind us going into tonight's game. No need to be so dramatic. We'd only be second bottom in your scenario. ;)
Barry Johnson
586 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:17:35
I'm done with Everton. Moyes was poor, Roberto was hot and cold and Koeman was a disaster. But Big Sam? You must be fucking joking.

We will soon be playing in the Championship with that miserable mug in charge. Throw in all those millionaire tosspots masquerading as football players?

No, I will now start supporting Colwyn Bay, which will guarantee less disappointment.

Joe Foster
587 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:29:55
Another day passes by with no manager.
Julian Exshaw
588 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:30:25
I totally understand the anger among many fans. I am more disappointed than angry. Disappointed that once again the board have spoken a good game but ultimately has let us down.

I think we have truly become a laughing stock. However, no coach/director/player could ever stop me following the boys and if big Sam turns up tomorrow night I will be hoping he does the right thing and gets us back to a semblance of a team.

I have a feeling it will be ugly, frustrating but who knows? He may well drag us out of this mire. The board though will forever have my mistrust. Their dithering has been disgraceful, their alleged pursuit of Silva, while understandable, has smeared our reputation as a club.

Andrew Wayne
589 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:32:39
I may be missing something but for those who are saying that they expect better than Allardyce for Everton – just what is that given our present position?

If you have seen us play this season we have been absolutely shocking and have flattered to deceive against Watford and Crystal Palace when we have allegedly improved – absolute nonsense. We need to steady the ship and get some points on the board asap or do we wait until it is 20 games left or 10 games left?

We need organisation and for someone to sort out the Billy Big Blx that masquerade as our players these days. Allardyce at least has some track record in this department. I am not exactly a happy bunny but in reality we have been rubbish for some time, not won at the Sky six since Adam was a lad and for Christ sake we all await the cricket score again at Mordor. Oh and by the way Silva's Watford are getting their pants pulled down by Utd as I type - 3-0.

I plan to be at GP again tomorrow and for the rest of the season and if we beat West Ham and/or Huddersfield, even if Allardyce is in the dugout, I shall be hoarse shouting for the Blues come Monday. None of us were consulted on Martinez or Koeman and look how well that has worked out.

Michael Nisbet
590 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:40:30
I do agree that I will never stop supporting Everton.

I just can't stand the thought of him at Everton.

Kevin Jones
591 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:43:32
If he gets the job then let's get on with it. We signed Paul Power and everyone went mad, we signed Gary Ablett, everyone went mad. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but there's no queue round Goodison of top managers desperate to come. Go the match, get behind the lads and let's get safe.

Watford are getting tonked, by the way.

Bill Griffiths
592 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:44:25
Ah well, guess it looks like it's Big Sam. While he would be way down my list of desired candidates I can understand to some degree why Moshiri has plumped for him under the present circumstances.

However while not overjoyed by his appointment there is nothing I can do about it and am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt , give him and the team my full support and see how it goes.

Mixed feelings regarding Unsie's situation now. Would like him to go back to U23s and continue developing our young players but could understand if he wanted to try his luck managing a team lower down the league to further develop his management skills.

Colin Glassar
593 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:48:45
Big Sam does have an impeccable, 100% , record with England.
Colin Metcalfe
594 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:50:17
We will be the laughing stock of the Premier League, what an absolute shambles!

A 63-year-old with dinosaur tactics, been out if the game for 18 months, a patchy record at best, his only claim to fame is he has never been relegated and to top it off he is a corrupt fucker as well.

I know whether to laugh or cry.

Keith Crawford
595 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:52:13
Well said Andrew we desperately need someone to steady the ship, we cant afford to employ someone like Fonseca etc , we need someone who knows this league like Allardyce, who cares if our football becomes more "agricultural"? Not arsed personally just as long as we can stay up.
James Marshall
596 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:58:32
West Brom winning – we just need a goal or two from Palace now to really set things up nicely...

(sarcasm)

Nigel Munford
597 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:04:28
Keith “agricultural” would be a vast improvement on what’s being served up recently.
Steve Ferns
598 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:04:39
It’s easier to get off crack than to stop supporting Everton. It’s also a cheaper habit, guarantees more highs and wrecks less relationships!

No one will be able to stop supporting Everton. It’s impossible.

But the club needs a manager we can unite behind and that’s not sam. First sign of trouble and the boos will roar. First crisis and fans will bay for his blood.

He’s going to be on a hiding to nothing. Which is why he’ll sort our terms to ensure he walks away with more than konman or Martinez did.

Andrew Wayne
599 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:12:57
We already the laughing stock of the League and not just because of what happens on the pitch. You know its bad when my red nose friends and relatives are past feeling the need to take the piss.

We have become inconsequential. How much of a laughing stock are we going to be in the Championship and we shouldn't be fooled into thinking that will be a straightforward bounce-back up.

We will become as relevant as Tranmere to our neighbours who have already long since stopped thinking of EFC as rivals. I don't know about our football becoming agricultural but it certainly has been closely linked to that particular industry this season (and wasn't exactly sparkling at the end of the last).

If Allardyce can keep us in the Premier League, preferably do so before the final 10 games, then that is fine by me. I haven't given up on one day celebrating our winning something with my (21 year old) son but it isn't going to be this year and waiting on the next big thing managerially to respond to us fluttering our eyelashes (or more probably showing our drawers) is clearly pointless.

Barry McNally
600 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:14:45
Get Gary Megson in now!!!
Steve Ferns
601 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:16:04
#600 former Blue? I'd rather have him than Allardyce!

Not but seriously, he's a terrible manager. Just remember his past record.

Update: Newcastle just scored!

James Marshall
602 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:18:50
Given the shitshow that we are on the pitch at the moment, is Allardyce really the worst option? I've been watching the Palace, and West Brom games tonight, and they at least have a plan on the field – we're the worst team in the division, regardless of league position – we NEED fixing, and I think the time has come for a manager like Allardyce.

I don't like him any more than the rest of you, but seriously, who else is going to sort us out?

Johnny Rainford
603 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:29:19
Yeh said same thing on here 5 weeks ago.

Dogs of war 2 anyone...?

Only problem being none of our current players have got the balls for it.

I hope they change my opinion starting tomorrow.

Steve Ferns
604 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:29:20
You like him far more than I James. West Brom are winning tonight, they're worse than us. Leicester were terrible a few weeks ago and they've picked up. Palace have picked up. There's loads of examples of teams picking up.

It's only November. It's not April or March. We're not even in the drop zone. We've been in worse scrapes and survived. I remember them well. Pain never to be forgotten until Farrelly banged in that screamer. Tears at 2-0 to Wimbledon until Stuart popped up to make it 3-2. Everton 3 Wimbledon 2 Now they were truly shite teams.

We need fixing. But Sam's not the only Doctor in town. You don't go to a back street surgeon if your wife needs her tits done. Let's get a quality manager in and pay what it takes.

Sod what all of Allardyce's mates in the media are saying. Allardyce is not good enough for us. It's only November, we're not in the relegation zone, we're only 4 points off 9th, and we have money to spend in January and that will fix us more than Big Sam and his dodgy signings.

Steve Mink
605 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:37:11
Like many, I feel nauseous that we are being linked with a shyster like Allardyce.

But, if it has to be done, can we agree a pact that calling him "Big Sam" on here is striclty forbidden?

Ian Brandes
606 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:39:03
Sam Allardyce is the price we have to pay for staggering incompetence on and off the field, and a transfer policy which has seen us trawling the nether regions of the Premier League for vastly overpriced non-entities, who struggle to play even basic football.

If he comes, he will do well to keep our motley crew up, especially as he is apparently arriving with Leicester City cast-offs in his back room staff. And we all know how Mr Walsh worked out, don't we?

All my thanks go to Farhad and Bill for the ongoing fiasco that is Everton.

Another fine Moshiri they have got us into! Apologies to Laurel and Hardy for that one.

James Marshall
607 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:39:45
Steve – problem is I don't see any of them lining up to manage us.

We're the ugliest girl at the disco, and nobody wants to take us home.

Nigel Munford
608 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:41:48
Steve Mink, and “Fat Sam” for that matter very derogatory.
Ash Moore
609 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:42:17
I'm surprised he didn't end up here actually. Jonny Evans OG makes it 2-2 at the Hawthorns! Dacoure has just given Watford – and my fantasy team – a boost. United lead 3-2, with five minutes plus stoppages left.... that didn't last long did it. 4-2 United, Lingard scores.
Nigel Munford
610 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:47:25
Ash, and it was a very good goal.
Andrew Oxton
611 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:52:15
Fonseca in to 6/5 second favourite. Bookies must be loving this. I remember sitting behind Allardyce when we beat Sunderland 6-2. I felt sorry for the Sunderland fans for having him in charge. Soon he might be our problem. Oh dear.
Victor Jones
612 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:54:49
Still punters on here hanging on to the hope that money spent in January will save us. Just like the money spent in the summer set us up for a top six challenge. Hhmmm.

And who do we all trust to spend this money. Unsworth? I'm not so sure now about his judgement. Walsh? No thank you. Kenwright? As many on here contribute Rooney's return down to him No thanks.

I'd trust Big Sam to quickly realise that we need defenders FFS my dog realises that And I'd trust Big Sam to also realise our striker problem. Benteke anyone?

Everything with this Everton team is not just about throwing money at it come January. It's about trying to mould some sort of a team. May as well give Allardyce as go. FFS could he be much worse than the last two. Remind me how great the football has been.

James Marshall
613 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:55:06
I've won on horses at 2/1, and 50/1.

Bookies don't know a fucking thing.

Andrew Oxton
614 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:57:53
Maybe not, but with all these massive shifts in favourites, they know they are getting paid.
James Marshall
615 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:03:17
I don't understand why anyone would put a 'next manager' bet on.

Total lottery and waste of money.

Andrew Oxton
616 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:09:00
Agreed. I don't gamble because I am just the unluckiest person in the world. Saying that, I might put a 20 on WHU, just to guarantee the Blues at least a point. I'll take one for the team.
Stan Schofield
617 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:48:13
Jay@542: I wouldn't take too seriously folks' pronouncements on not wanting Allardyce because of whatever financial dealings he may or may not have been involved in. On morals, supporters, generally speaking, don't care where an owner's money stems from so long as the club is successful. A lot will call for the Sun to be boycotted, but will stop short of boycotting the entire Murdoch empire. Morals, so long as they are financially convenient for the club. So all this moral stuff is bullshit.

Everton has been averaging 58 points per season, and an average position of 8th, for well over a decade. Thus, we are not elite, but we're not Sunderland or Crystal Palace either. We're at a higher level than clubs like that, and at a higher level than the likes of Allardyce has experienced.

We are generally mid to high table, with occasional brush (like at the moment) near the bottom. But we're supposed to be aiming higher. So we need a manager who can both get us away from the bottom part of the table, and help us on the way to achieving more than we have. And that manager is not Allardyce.

The real reason why folks who criticise Allardyce's financial dealings don't want him is very simple. That he's not good enough for Everton.

Jackie Barry
618 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:51:03
Moving closer to getting Big Sam, the embarrassment that our board can’t sort things out even for Big Sam, only Everton.
James Marshall
619 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:51:18
Reports saying Allardyce to be appointed within 48 hrs...

With Sammy Lee as part of the coaching staff!!!

Lead balloons/Goodison etc

James Marshall
620 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:53:44
Allardyce, Sammy Lee, Craig Shakespeare, goalkeeping coach Martyn Margetson and fitness coach Ryland Morgan.

£6m a season - to be finalised tomorrow when he's back from Dubai. First game vs Huddersfield.

Jackie Barry
621 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:54:48
So what’s your opinion of that setup James? Ryland was a former Liverpool coach I think?
James Marshall
622 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:57:54
Well I'd imagine it'll be a setup that has a plan, a set way of playing, and they won't be fucking around.

We'll still have the same players though, which is my main concern.

Sammy Lee is clearly going to be a tough one for blues to swallow - and I've never heard of the other lot, so I can't honestly comment.

Joe Clitherow
623 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:58:53
This club truly has now lost its soul
Mike Oates
624 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:02:36
Well it looks and sounds like a done deal, with Allardyce here for weekend game. He's bringing Shakespeare, Lee, Margetson and I suspect his own Medical and Data staff as he did in previous clubs. So massive clear out, definitely Alan Kelly, Duncan Ferguson, Joe Royle, and 6 or so physio's and Opta lads. Walsh to stay, Unsy and Ebbrell back to U23's if Sam lets them stay. Thanks very much Ronald, what a total cock up of 6 months.

I suspect Bill Kenwright will be absolutely destroyed losing people he's known for years and probably regrets relinquishing control

Tom Bowers
625 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:04:47
Beggars can't be choosers and in Everton's position they are begging because nobody else will be interested in taking over this bunch.


So it will be Allardyce and we just have to live with it for a while and pray for some sort of miracle over the next few weeks until the transfer window when just perhaps one or two ''quality'' players can be brought in.

It would be nice to see Unsy get a victory in his last game if only for his honesty about the whole mess.

The Hammers are no great shakes either so we may get lucky

Kunal Desai
626 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:05:02
Sammy Lee FFS. See this what you get when Bill wasn't hounded out of Goodison when he sold Rooney. There should have been protests upon protests to get rid of him then. Should have acted like kopites then and we would have been in better place now.
Gary Gibson
627 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:06:30
What are the other options? Dyche, who got Burnley relegated? Moyes, who got Sunderland relegated? Silva, who got Hull relegated?

One of my mates is a season ticket holder at West Ham and he said that they played some great stuff under Big Sam after he got them promoted on a shoestring budget.

If he can eventually get us into the top 6 of the Premier League like he did with Bolton then I will be made up. If he just does the minimum and keeps us up then I'll still be happy. At the moment we're on our way down.

Tom Bowers
628 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:08:36
Nothing wrong with Allardyce bring in his own backroom boys.

Can we be happy with those we have?

Actually I have no qualms about Sammy Lee as Everton have done well out of ex-RS personnel moving to Goodison in the past.

Tony Everan
629 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:13:33
Looks like Sam’s the man. I feel a deadness in my heart.

But I’m an optimist , and being an Evertonian you’ve got to be.
I’m hoping he can do something for us , create a proper team and take us forward.

I think it’s up to him to prove he deserves the job after this season.

Whether he likes it or not , this season will be an audition.
If he Improves and stabilises us he deserves some respect.

Derek Cowell
630 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:16:54
If we don't get any points this week (and we need all 6) we will have 12 points from 15 games. That leaves 23 games left to get 28 points to get to the magic 40. Bearing in mind that 7 of those games are against the 'top 6' inc 2 v the rs that effectively means we willneed 28 points from 16 games! I just can't see us doing it the way weare shaping up on the pitch! Sorry to be negative and I hope to be wrong but I just can't see us surviving!
Christopher Nicholls
631 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:28:19
I wish I could say different, but I don't believe Allardyce will keep this team up. Seems like most folks who have resigned to him are using colloquialisms and and easy to repeat phrases. His actual track record since Bolton is poor at best.

Whatever happens at the end of the season, I can only see this as a new low for the club and it will take years to recover from this point.

Rian Magee
632 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:44:58
Derek (630) It certainly does make for some squeaky bum reading but who lmows..gotta try and keep the chin up as hard as that is at times.

Definitely looks like its Big Sam taking charge at least for a while. Personally I don't mind and Id prefer him to some of the other names that have been chucked around. He knows the league and I cant see him taking any shit from lazy players...i think hes the man to put the rocket or a foot up the many arses that we obviously need. By all accounts he should steady the ship and get us organised and difficult to break down and that is our priority to build on..if you think for one second that isn't im sorry you're deluded or living in cloud cuckoo land!

Forgot 'history', 'ambition' or all this 'we are Everton, we should be aiming for...' theoretical bull... The reality is we are very much flirting with relegation on current performances, to the point shes probably fairly moist. I honestly don't care who the next gaffer is..beit Big Sam, Kim Jung Un or even Stevie fecking G...as long as he, she or it is capable of whipping these overpaid, spoilt, lazy shits into shape, playing with a bit (naw fuckit..a feckload) of grit and pride, builds something stable to properly build on and saves our PL status then that is perfect to me on all counts!! Feck my pride as a fan, the success of Everton comes first!

Sorry for the rant but just my opinion, take it, leave it, kick it in the chops

Rian Magee
633 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:51:22
I won't lie Christopher, I'm terrified of how this season could end up. But who knows, the next gaffer, whoever it is and however unlikely might end up being a blessing in disguise and the beat thing to happen to us for a long time...doubtful but who knows. Lets just get behind whoever it is and move forward!!!
Julian Exshaw
634 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:51:27
Sammy Lee there are no words.
Colin Glassar
635 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:54:02
I’m hoping to wake up tomorrow and realise this has all been a bad dream. It’ll be1986 and Howard will still be our manager. I’ll be able to go to the pictures and watch Back To The Future (Saturday matinee) before heading off to the match.
James Watts
636 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:18:23
I could cry. It's really happening. This anti football human specimen is going to be our manager. I'm lost for words.
Soren Moyer
637 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:36:00
Sammy fucking Lee? No way! What have you done Koeman, you useless c**t!!?
Winston Williamson
638 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:41:12
I'm out.
Geoff Lambert
639 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:51:27
Going to be paraded to the crowd before tomorrows game!!!!
David Israel
640 Posted 29/11/2017 at 01:07:04
Sammy Lee is clearly intended as a distraction, so the blokes on TW will turn their collective attention to him, and leave Big Sam alone, I dare say!
Mark Wynne
641 Posted 29/11/2017 at 01:09:54
If this goes ahead I won’t spend a penny supporting it. That means no games, no merchandise and cancelling Sky/BT subs.
Jeff Spiers
642 Posted 29/11/2017 at 09:30:50
Rian, needs must, and you are dead right. We need to get our act together on and off the park.

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