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Tim Cahill: is he or isn't he???
There has been a lot of talk regarding Tim Cahill's performances in recent weeks, I for one think Tim has been average to poor at best yet gets picked in the starting XI week-in, week-out... Why??I know we have a lot of injures at present and when we are at full strength we still look short of numbers in midfield but how on earth does Cahill get picked for every game?? I have a few questions and answers regarding Tiny Tim:
- Would Cahill get into the so called big four teams? (NO)
- Is good enough to play in 4-man midfield? (N0)
- Does his goals (which of late has been also poor) merit a place in the starting line up? (NO)
- Is Tiny Tim in need of a rest? (YES)
- Would you rather see Moyes go with James Vaughan, AJor Big Vic at the expense of Cahill? (YES)
- Is Cahill's passing and touch up to scratch? (NO)
- Should we sell him in the summer while his value is still good? (YES, YES AND YES)
My personal opinion of Tim is that Everton as a club over the last year have moved up a gear in terms of footall... what I'm trying to say is that with players such as Fernandes, Pienaar, Arteta and Yakubu, Everton as a club are trying to produce a better type of football, which he just doesn't fit into.
I love the lad but players come and go... we want the best footballers we can get at our club; Tim just does not fit the bill.
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Get real Sean. Get your head from out of your ass! Tim plays sensational football for Australia when playing in a 4 man midfield and creates, scores and tracks back. Unfortunately we have limited his creativity as we constantly get him to do the donkey work and by the time he gets into position he’s stuffed!!
Why is he always first marked when we have free kicks or corners. Because opposition managers see him being the most dangerous. Don’t see you posting about the coincidence of our great run this year and the timely return of your mate Tim. Just coincidence you reckon????
Why is he always first marked when we have free kicks or corners. Because opposition managers see him being the most dangerous. Don’t see you posting about the coincidence of our great run this year and the timely return of your mate Tim. Just coincidence you reckon????
Steve, you are correct because since he came back we have been on a run that has seen us beaten only twice in the Premier league by the top two. Before then we were looking very average and very dodgy.
He has got excellent vision for the position and that is why, but he never was the creative or defensive midfielder. However, opposing managers dont know how to handle him and so he is paid extra attention which frees other players. He plays a massive part in the recent success. We have creativity in midfield but we also have a link between midfield and striker. Also the link between midfield and defence with Carsley.
Not may midfielders have an eye for goal and score on a regular basis. 10 plus goals a season is more important than a few fancy passes and flicks.
Take away Cahill and you take away the man who makes us play at high tempo. Any match-going blue knows we are miles better at high tempo.
Did you forget who created our first goal on wednesday already? Iis there any other player on our team who would have had the desire to beat Bakke on the floor and get that thru?
Incredible. The lad is fantastic!!!
Did you forget who created our first goal on wednesday already? Iis there any other player on our team who would have had the desire to beat Bakke on the floor and get that thru?
Incredible. The lad is fantastic!!!
Could not agree with you more, John. Tim is the ultimate team plater, the heart of the side. We missed him badly when he was injured. He may not be scoring so many these days because he’s so heavily marked. But the panic he causes among defenders in the box creates openings for other players, notably Lescott.
I agree Timmy hasn?t been at his best in recent weeks. He?s not getting his foot on that ball that much, and isn?t banging in the goals. However, I don?t think it?s all his fault, or that we should start getting on his back about it.
The performance of individual players is often a function of the style of play we employ. Timmy is absolutely fantastic when surrounded by creative midfielders, and a strong striker. He adds something which massively complements them ? perfect timing and instinct in front of goal. He doesn?t have sublime technical ability, but has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time. It?s freakish how often he ends up in the perfect position, unmarked in the box. It?s a rare, and match-winning ability!
Personally, I think the regular return of the Yak and Peanut will be the biggest factor in bringing back the best of Timmy. Note that his drop in goal scoring coincides directly with the African Nations Cup. I think a midfield containing Carsely, Peanut, Osman/Fernandes, Arteta, Cahill, with Yak up front has great balance, and will bring out the best in all of them.
The performance of individual players is often a function of the style of play we employ. Timmy is absolutely fantastic when surrounded by creative midfielders, and a strong striker. He adds something which massively complements them ? perfect timing and instinct in front of goal. He doesn?t have sublime technical ability, but has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time. It?s freakish how often he ends up in the perfect position, unmarked in the box. It?s a rare, and match-winning ability!
Personally, I think the regular return of the Yak and Peanut will be the biggest factor in bringing back the best of Timmy. Note that his drop in goal scoring coincides directly with the African Nations Cup. I think a midfield containing Carsely, Peanut, Osman/Fernandes, Arteta, Cahill, with Yak up front has great balance, and will bring out the best in all of them.
Everton with-out Cahill? Hopefully not any-time soon. He is our heartbeat, our fearless leader .Who scores goals in the Derby? Who scores when we play Man Utd? Cahill dosen?t fear the opposition, the bigger the game, the better he plays. I say Cahill should be Everton's next captain ? somehow I can?t picture Neville holding a trophy for Everton, but with Cahill, you can see him, all smiles walking up the steps at Wembley...
Here is what Claude Makelele (can we buy him?) says about our Tim :
"The best Everton play is when he [Cahill] plays."
"He puts the defence in trouble all the time. He moves a lot, he changes the position."
Nuff said.
"The best Everton play is when he [Cahill] plays."
"He puts the defence in trouble all the time. He moves a lot, he changes the position."
Nuff said.
Tim Cahill is an Everton Legend in the making.
Wake up,
Tim and Arteta are our best midfielders.
People are on this page doubting his technical ability. He probably has the best passing success rate in our team and rarely gets taken off the ball.
Fact is we are winners with him on the pitch.
Also while I do rate Fernandes, Cahill is so much more reliable to put in a excellent performance and doesn’t need to dance on the ball to make an effective pass.
He also didn’t take a crap down our throats like Fernandes did. Do you honestly think that if he was playing at Valencia he would come back to us.
Keep the team as is, with Cahill in it.
I suggest if we want to start slagging any of our players it be the ones that totally skip the midfield with their "long range passiing" (Neville, Hibbert)
Cheers
Steve Niko
Tim and Arteta are our best midfielders.
People are on this page doubting his technical ability. He probably has the best passing success rate in our team and rarely gets taken off the ball.
Fact is we are winners with him on the pitch.
Also while I do rate Fernandes, Cahill is so much more reliable to put in a excellent performance and doesn’t need to dance on the ball to make an effective pass.
He also didn’t take a crap down our throats like Fernandes did. Do you honestly think that if he was playing at Valencia he would come back to us.
Keep the team as is, with Cahill in it.
I suggest if we want to start slagging any of our players it be the ones that totally skip the midfield with their "long range passiing" (Neville, Hibbert)
Cheers
Steve Niko
Tim Cahill at the front end of the midfield is what Lee Carsley is at the back of the midfield - unsung but extremely effective. He brings along with him attributes other than "slick passing and touch" which everyone seems to want in a midfielder. His attributes of aggressive running only get noticed when he pops out of nowhere and scores. However, its no coincidence that he scores so often, hes got fantastic finishing and amazing positioning.
However his most important attribute is is influence on the midfield when he plays. To me he is the heart and soul of the Everton team and contrary to what you think he is capable of playing for the top 4 teams.
However his most important attribute is is influence on the midfield when he plays. To me he is the heart and soul of the Everton team and contrary to what you think he is capable of playing for the top 4 teams.
There are 22 players on the field at any given time and only one ball. It is normal and natural for us to rate and judge a player on what they do when they have the ball. Players like Cahill do not do anything special when he has the ball so it’s easy to rate him as limited.
Compare him to Arteta and certainly it’s easy to think that if Cahill does not have a scoring record like he has, he is a very average midfielder.
If is easy to forget that he wins many headers defensively, wins many freekicks or possession with his non-stop running and harrassment as well as the amount of space he creates for our "ball-players" with his presence in the opponent’s box.
We have beaten Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal with him playing both in a 4 man and a 5 man midfield. In fact, he has scored against all of them. He is not the problem.
If we were to put him on the market, I’ll bet the top sides in Europe(not just in the UK) will be making a bid. Everton as a club, has to progress to bring the best out of our best players and Cahill is certainly one of them.
Compare him to Arteta and certainly it’s easy to think that if Cahill does not have a scoring record like he has, he is a very average midfielder.
If is easy to forget that he wins many headers defensively, wins many freekicks or possession with his non-stop running and harrassment as well as the amount of space he creates for our "ball-players" with his presence in the opponent’s box.
We have beaten Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal with him playing both in a 4 man and a 5 man midfield. In fact, he has scored against all of them. He is not the problem.
If we were to put him on the market, I’ll bet the top sides in Europe(not just in the UK) will be making a bid. Everton as a club, has to progress to bring the best out of our best players and Cahill is certainly one of them.
Just excellent points raised as to why Cahill is so important to our side. He has desire, a bit of nastiness, excellent finishing, constant running, good short range passing to name but a few of his attributes. It only takes a couple of off games for people to start their moaning. Have we forgotten that him coming back into the side was the spark that started our excellent run of results and form?
I BELIEVE TIM CAHLLIS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS EVERTON TEAM. WHEN CAHILL RETURNED TO THE TEAM AGAINST LARRISA ARE FORM HAS BEEN SPOT ON. A FEW QUIET PERFOMANCES DOESNT MAKE HIM A BAD PLAYER PEOPLE HAVE VERY SHORT MEMORIES
It amazes me when reading some of the posts on TW how easy it is for so called supporters to jump onto a players back and prompt a discussion to get rid of a player while he goes through a bad patch.
Tim Cahill is not playing his best football right now we all know that; but as a team we are not playing great football. Tim Cahill has a great future at Everton and he still is one of the best midfielders in the business IMO and one of the reasons I buy my season ticket each year.
TC will come good again and what he needs right now is 100% support not suggestions he should be sold off; what a load of tosh, clearly written by someone who doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Tim Cahill is not playing his best football right now we all know that; but as a team we are not playing great football. Tim Cahill has a great future at Everton and he still is one of the best midfielders in the business IMO and one of the reasons I buy my season ticket each year.
TC will come good again and what he needs right now is 100% support not suggestions he should be sold off; what a load of tosh, clearly written by someone who doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Granted Tim has not been at his best of late and he is not a sliky cultured playmaker a la Arteta. He is without doubt essential he provides us with an edge, energy and drive that no other player does. An analysis of performances without Cahill reveal the full extent of his influence. His ability to find space and exploit it is as much a skill as sublime dribbling skills. There will come a time for Tim to move on, but it is not now! A pivotal member of the team whose performance is subject to scrutiny like any other player, but when being critical lets consider the facts!!!
I suspect his 100% attitude and genuine commitment to the cause blinds people to his other failings. Tim is no God and he certainly will never be a legend. A threat? - Yes. A potential match winner? - again Yes. But beyond that? well I for one am in the camp of - nothing exceptional.
Perhaps all those who refuse to see any failings in him see Tim as their idealised own selfs out in a blue shirt, willing to die for the cause but perhaps not quite good enough technically - ouch I can feel those arrows already !!!
Perhaps all those who refuse to see any failings in him see Tim as their idealised own selfs out in a blue shirt, willing to die for the cause but perhaps not quite good enough technically - ouch I can feel those arrows already !!!
I agree that Tim may need a rest, but, I also agree that when he?s back in the team, there?s an added spark
He?s been unlucky of late, but he?d be a first choice for me for a while.
He?s been unlucky of late, but he?d be a first choice for me for a while.
If it wasn't for Cahill we wouldn't have many things but the most important is the Australian fanbase ? without Cahill, that would be none existent.
Yes his preformances of late have been poor but I am sure this won't go on for long.
Yes his preformances of late have been poor but I am sure this won't go on for long.
Absolutely correct, Kieron Byrne. Being appointed captain would lift Tim’s game another notch, and Everton’s overall drive and will to win 100%.
He isn't technically brilliant, isn't exceptionally fast, doesn't pass well and can't tackle, but then I think, Old Trafford, Emerates and Stamford Bridge, He?s scored on our most recent visits to all three, he scored against Arsenal again this year, scored in consecutive seasons at Anfield, not to mention the one he got against the shite at GP last season; he seems to score for the Aussies every time he plays
Is Tim a man for the big occasion? Is he an impact player rather than a consistent 90-minute type ?
One thing is certain: if DM ever let him go, we would loose one of the most potent weapons in our armoury.
Is Tim a man for the big occasion? Is he an impact player rather than a consistent 90-minute type ?
One thing is certain: if DM ever let him go, we would loose one of the most potent weapons in our armoury.
SK - some good points but a total over reaction to suggest we sell Tim.
Just because a player is not scoring does not mean they should be sold.
For you to regard Fernandes above Tim Cahil after what we have seen of Manny since he returned is just lunacy - I can hear your response that Fernandes is going through a bad spell/not match fit but isn?t that what Tim is going through at the moment?
Who do well sell next when they go through a bit of a lean spell, there are already mutterings on TW against AJ, Tim Howard and Lee Carsley so why not sell them too? Where are we going to get the extra money from to buy "better" players because the transfer fees for the new "better" replacements?
Tim C does much more than I think you have given him credit for, he is always available for Arteta.
Just because a player is not scoring does not mean they should be sold.
For you to regard Fernandes above Tim Cahil after what we have seen of Manny since he returned is just lunacy - I can hear your response that Fernandes is going through a bad spell/not match fit but isn?t that what Tim is going through at the moment?
Who do well sell next when they go through a bit of a lean spell, there are already mutterings on TW against AJ, Tim Howard and Lee Carsley so why not sell them too? Where are we going to get the extra money from to buy "better" players because the transfer fees for the new "better" replacements?
Tim C does much more than I think you have given him credit for, he is always available for Arteta.
Myself and a group of mates had the misfortune of meeting mr Cahill in Valencia airport in 2005. What an arrogant, big headed, gobshite he was. If it wasn?t the day before the game I?m sure one of our group would have given him a dig...
I read your piece and you nearly had me convinced.
As I was reading I was thinking..
"Yes... yes that?s true....good point....hmmm, interesting...he?s really thought this through".
Then you mentioned Fernandes.
NEXT!!!
As I was reading I was thinking..
"Yes... yes that?s true....good point....hmmm, interesting...he?s really thought this through".
Then you mentioned Fernandes.
NEXT!!!
Sell him? No way. The lad is a match winner. Drop him? I would have to say yes. He looks fucking knackered after 20 mins or so. He just needs a couple of games rest, and he will be back to his old self. When he came back from injury, he looked sharp and hungry, but lately he seems to be lacking these attributes.
There seems to be a reurn of Cahill bashing which is intriguing. It seems some Everton fans can’t take the fact that the team is performing well in europe and has maintained 4th place in the league against all expectaions. They still see the cup half empty and cast around for some crumb of misery to confirm their eyore view of life
Cahill and Neville are the ones this week. Hibbert is getting a rest as he’s not playiing.
All independent sources when asked to comment on Everton will mention 2 names Arteta and Cahill ( intersetingly there is an Arteta isn’t playing up to scrach school too). You are wrong in every bullet point you make about Cahill but be happy that you have a lot of friends to share your miserable outlook with and if you criticise enough the players confidence might just drop enough to fulfill your prophesy of doom and make you feel like you know it all.
Cahill and Neville are the ones this week. Hibbert is getting a rest as he’s not playiing.
All independent sources when asked to comment on Everton will mention 2 names Arteta and Cahill ( intersetingly there is an Arteta isn’t playing up to scrach school too). You are wrong in every bullet point you make about Cahill but be happy that you have a lot of friends to share your miserable outlook with and if you criticise enough the players confidence might just drop enough to fulfill your prophesy of doom and make you feel like you know it all.
Cahill is an international class act, Neville is a decent full back with expereince at a winning club. Sure these guys are having a run of poor form yet the team is up in 4th and doing well in Europe. What great goals agianst Utd and chelsea and how quickly we forget. There is no way we should comtemplate selllng Tim Cahill he scores goals FFS. Fernandes needs games under his belt as he is not match fit and he is our future with the like of vaughn and co I think we are 3-4 class players short at the moment to be able to properly compete with the money clubs.
Of we are being honest the only 2 midfield players who are showing form at the moment are Osman and Carsley. Arteta and Cahill have been quiet for a few months and Fernandes does not look like the player he was previously. That said, the team at the moment seems to be very Chelsea-like in grinding out results. It will need to change though if we are going to achieve something in the Uefa Cup and consolidate 4th spot.
The defence is looking very solid and the 4 up top have all got goals in them. Our season rests on the players in the middle finding some form ? if they don?t we will struggle; if they do... who knows what we will be celebrating in May?!?
The defence is looking very solid and the 4 up top have all got goals in them. Our season rests on the players in the middle finding some form ? if they don?t we will struggle; if they do... who knows what we will be celebrating in May?!?
over rated.
Alan Ball thought Cahill a ?super player, a niggly, have-some-of-that type?. He said he?d have loved to have played alongside him - the oppsition would have been demented with the pair of them in their faces! Good enough reference for me! It?s getting a bit like like the ?what did the Romans? sketch on here - ?yea, apart from scoring, obviously?
?and headers? -
?and defending? .....etc
?and headers? -
?and defending? .....etc
Cahill is so important to us, he sets the tempo, winds up the opponents, scores important goals for us. Yes he might not be on fire at the min, but a lot of his work goes un noticed, headers away on corners etc, it was his tackle on Wednesday that started the move for the first goal! The man should be our captain, he inspires the crowd and the players, what the fuck does Neville do???
before i get a smart arse reply saying "thursday???", I meant wednesday :) ha ha
Why do we need to get rid of anyone?
Cahill is looking a little tired at the moment,but it is no coincidence that a poor looking season turned into a 14 game unbeaten run when Cahill returned.
How many midfielders can do what he does? And this myth that he cannot tackle or pass is garbage too (Osman's goal anyone?).
As others have said too he has a character about him too and that is a big part in being a top footballer.
Cahill is looking a little tired at the moment,but it is no coincidence that a poor looking season turned into a 14 game unbeaten run when Cahill returned.
How many midfielders can do what he does? And this myth that he cannot tackle or pass is garbage too (Osman's goal anyone?).
As others have said too he has a character about him too and that is a big part in being a top footballer.
What are you on about? Tim not getting in the so called top 4 teams? Have you forgotten we are in the top four with a good chance of staying there, and it’s no coincidence that our good run commenced when Tim returned from injury. The lad is brilliant, he travels half way round the world to play for his country and is never dropped from our team sheet when fit, He ain’t superman give the guy a break. I reckon any premiership club would snap him up in an instant if given the chance. Well done TIM you are a true blue.
I remember over the months when Cahill was out injured similar things being said: ?We should sell him?, ?He?s not that good anyway? etc etc. May I remind people than footballers are allowed patches of bad form and secondly it was his return to the team that kick-started not only our season but Everton actually playing playing football. Before this I thought we where becoming the new Bolton. OK, I know Cahill is limited technically but he definitely adds something! When he returns to form I?m sure the same people slating him will be praising him!
We are better with Cahill in the team than we are without him. You can’t argue with that its just a fact. At the start of the season I had doubts whether we’d finish top 10 never mind top 6 but when Cahill came back everything came into place. We went on an excellent run, we scored more goals, we kept more clean sheets and best of all the Football improved dramatically.
Why can’t Cahill play in a four man midfield? He did a good job in my eyes against Brann and in the second half against Reading. He competed well, won tackles, was neat and tidy, gave us energy in the midfield and had a part in creating the goal. He also nearly scored a cracker as well.
People just make excuses up when he plays in the middle because he doesn’t play like Arteta. He’s a lot better than Carsley in a four man midfield and in terms of passing, touch etc he’s a more gifted footballer than Lee "Unsung Hero" Carsley. Despite all this Carsley seems to get better ratings because he supposedly does his job. What the fuck? Having watched the game again I can tell you Cahill won more tackles than Carsley and had a better game.
The fact of the matter is the five man midfield doesn’t only accommodates Cahill it accommodates Arteta, Carsley, Pienaar and Osman also. Arteta, Pienaar and Osman aren’t as effective in a four man midfield either. They have to do more defensive duties and they have to get mixed into physical battles that there not used to. In a five man midfield they get a lot more time on the ball and are able to create. Carsley doesn’t have the legs or the ability to play in a four man midfield. In a five having Osman and Cahill doing the running lets Carsley concentrate on breaking up play and timing his tackles. He also doesn’t have to touch the ball as much which is something he doesn’t like. There is also Yakubu. Yakubu looks a lot better on his own than he does in a partnership.
Why would I want Johnson ahead of Cahill? Johnson’s 6 goals in 20 games or Cahill’s 9 goals in 21 games? Cahill has the better goalscoring record and offers more in my eyes both defensively and going forward. The only player I’d like to see be given a go is James Vaughan but there’s no proof that he will actually do any better than Cahill.
How I see it is we have two options: 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. This is good because there are a lot of teams who can only play a basic 4-4-2. Whether Cahill’s in the team or not he’s always there to give us an option as he’s the only player who can play the second striker/attacking midfielder role and he can do a job as a central midfielder. Whatever Moyes goes with is best for the team.
Why can’t Cahill play in a four man midfield? He did a good job in my eyes against Brann and in the second half against Reading. He competed well, won tackles, was neat and tidy, gave us energy in the midfield and had a part in creating the goal. He also nearly scored a cracker as well.
People just make excuses up when he plays in the middle because he doesn’t play like Arteta. He’s a lot better than Carsley in a four man midfield and in terms of passing, touch etc he’s a more gifted footballer than Lee "Unsung Hero" Carsley. Despite all this Carsley seems to get better ratings because he supposedly does his job. What the fuck? Having watched the game again I can tell you Cahill won more tackles than Carsley and had a better game.
The fact of the matter is the five man midfield doesn’t only accommodates Cahill it accommodates Arteta, Carsley, Pienaar and Osman also. Arteta, Pienaar and Osman aren’t as effective in a four man midfield either. They have to do more defensive duties and they have to get mixed into physical battles that there not used to. In a five man midfield they get a lot more time on the ball and are able to create. Carsley doesn’t have the legs or the ability to play in a four man midfield. In a five having Osman and Cahill doing the running lets Carsley concentrate on breaking up play and timing his tackles. He also doesn’t have to touch the ball as much which is something he doesn’t like. There is also Yakubu. Yakubu looks a lot better on his own than he does in a partnership.
Why would I want Johnson ahead of Cahill? Johnson’s 6 goals in 20 games or Cahill’s 9 goals in 21 games? Cahill has the better goalscoring record and offers more in my eyes both defensively and going forward. The only player I’d like to see be given a go is James Vaughan but there’s no proof that he will actually do any better than Cahill.
How I see it is we have two options: 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. This is good because there are a lot of teams who can only play a basic 4-4-2. Whether Cahill’s in the team or not he’s always there to give us an option as he’s the only player who can play the second striker/attacking midfielder role and he can do a job as a central midfielder. Whatever Moyes goes with is best for the team.
Brilliant ideas from the poster and Mr. Kenrick. Let’s base all personnel moves on a player’s form over the last 6 matches. Didn’t score a goal? Out!! Misplayed a couple of passes? Out!!
This sort of stuff used to annoy me but now it is nothing but a great source of amusement! Stay tuned for next week’s installment of "Who is Everton’s worst player based on their last couple of games!"
This sort of stuff used to annoy me but now it is nothing but a great source of amusement! Stay tuned for next week’s installment of "Who is Everton’s worst player based on their last couple of games!"
Nothing much to add but I think it is quite funny that the Childhood Heroes advert states, "My hero is Tim Cahill"
Just think its funny and ironic for this article...
Just think its funny and ironic for this article...
Cahill’s got that Aussie aggressive ’in yer face’ attitude that every team needs, as some others have mentioned. You can see in every match we play how much the opposition hate playing against him, he winds them up. He must get almost as many free kicks as Arteta. As for Joe Payne’s experience in Valencia, I don’t know if you caught him on a bad day, because I know Evertonians who’ve met him and come away with exactly the opposite opinion.
Oh how I bet the redshite wishes that had a Tim in there team not a Tttttt..t...t...immmaayyyyy
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I love it! The Red Shite does everything that some on here want--rotate players constantly, bring in a manager that is "tactically brilliant", spend millions of pounds on the fashionable players of the day--and they are still rubbish! I love it!
I love it! The Red Shite does everything that some on here want--rotate players constantly, bring in a manager that is "tactically brilliant", spend millions of pounds on the fashionable players of the day--and they are still rubbish! I love it!
Firstly, well done to Barnsley, the fat waiter may start packing... lol
Now I have read all your replies and find some points very interesting.
Yes we did go on a great run when Tim came back into the team because he was SCORING. Now he is NOT.
And yes, he scored at Old Trafford and Chelsea and Arsenal, did we win any of those games??? NO.
In my post I stated he worked his socks off for the team, he loves the club he tries to drive the team on, but when he dosn't score his over all performance is very poor. Cash in... why not?? I've read that some of you think he would get into the (so-called) big 4 teams. How many offers have we turned down in the last 3 years for Cahill??? NONE.
Now I have read all your replies and find some points very interesting.
Yes we did go on a great run when Tim came back into the team because he was SCORING. Now he is NOT.
And yes, he scored at Old Trafford and Chelsea and Arsenal, did we win any of those games??? NO.
In my post I stated he worked his socks off for the team, he loves the club he tries to drive the team on, but when he dosn't score his over all performance is very poor. Cash in... why not?? I've read that some of you think he would get into the (so-called) big 4 teams. How many offers have we turned down in the last 3 years for Cahill??? NONE.
I just think some Everton fans see Cahill through there blue sunglasses; he is not a legend, he is just another player. Making him captain may give him a lift but then he would never get dropped. Every player should fight for there place; it just seems not matter how tired or how poor he plays, Tim never gets dropped.
I’m sure that Moyes will bench Cahill when he thinks he is no longer contributing to the team. He didn’t have any trouble benching the Yak; Hibbert is finding it quite hard to get back into the team--along with Valente. All good players but the manager had no problem leaving them out of the starting line-up when he thought it was for the better for the team.
Moyes is simply taking a page from the great managers and letting an essential player play himself back into form. Wenger didn’t drop Henry if he didn’t score in every match and Ferguson always plays Rooney--even though his goal scoring record at United is nothing special. Cahill brings a lot to the team and will continue to do so. One trait of a good team is that the "star" players can have a bad patch but their teammates can still find a way to win their games. Everton has been through a tough period with so many players out injured or out for international call-ups--including Cahill. We have not lost any ground in the Prem--in fact we have gained a few points--and we are still alive in Europe.
Moyes is simply taking a page from the great managers and letting an essential player play himself back into form. Wenger didn’t drop Henry if he didn’t score in every match and Ferguson always plays Rooney--even though his goal scoring record at United is nothing special. Cahill brings a lot to the team and will continue to do so. One trait of a good team is that the "star" players can have a bad patch but their teammates can still find a way to win their games. Everton has been through a tough period with so many players out injured or out for international call-ups--including Cahill. We have not lost any ground in the Prem--in fact we have gained a few points--and we are still alive in Europe.
I really can’t stand it when people start suggesting we should sell any of our players. The point should be whether we put someone on the bench or not when they aren’t hitting top form. To suggest selling Cahill is ludicrous and is getting quite boring. What we should be doing is keeping him and adding more quality to midfield. More competition for places would surely bring out the best in all our players. I really don’t think you understand anything about the modern game if you think depleting our squad is a good idea.
Its these types of posts that pisses me off. The same wanker that posted this debate will be the same one who thinks that cahill is the best Midfielder by far when Tim gets back into form! Get ur head out from ur bum cheeks and wake up... he is having a bad season, and had a couple of bad injuries, but has scored 10 goals since he came back in october. If that isnt good enough for everyone then fuck off an support sumone else!
Sean, Should Cahill be sold, NO
Are you talking rubbish, YES
Is saying YES and NO annoying, YES
He?s a major part of our team, he brings us something special that not many midfielders bring, and to be honest if you?re going to moan about any players inconsistency. You should look the way of the Spanish Wizard...
Are you talking rubbish, YES
Is saying YES and NO annoying, YES
He?s a major part of our team, he brings us something special that not many midfielders bring, and to be honest if you?re going to moan about any players inconsistency. You should look the way of the Spanish Wizard...
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There is a saying: "Class is permanent, form is temporary".
He’s having a poor run of form. He is class. He will be back.
He’s having a poor run of form. He is class. He will be back.
get real for gods sake!!!! i think you would find that should tim cahill be placed on the transfer list then man utd, arsenal and chelsea amongst others would all be on the phone to davey moyes.
granted tim has been below par for a few weeks now and i do believe moyes accomodates tim in the team but the fact is that he presents a greater goal threat than our strikers do and he maybe in need fo a rest. to play week in week out for the blue then add to that travelling midweek to play for oz then back again and playing for oz in the close season HAS to take its toll sooner or later. we saw the best of tim on his return this season because injury placed an enforced rest on him.
i also think that we place to much expectation on tim in the same way lpool do with gerrard. they both set the bar very high for themselves and what may be deemed as an ok perofrmance for most midfielders seem way below par for these two and they get slated. lets just say if it wasnt for tim we may be languishing in mid table at the moment so take off those kopite goggles and stop impersonating a blue!!!
granted tim has been below par for a few weeks now and i do believe moyes accomodates tim in the team but the fact is that he presents a greater goal threat than our strikers do and he maybe in need fo a rest. to play week in week out for the blue then add to that travelling midweek to play for oz then back again and playing for oz in the close season HAS to take its toll sooner or later. we saw the best of tim on his return this season because injury placed an enforced rest on him.
i also think that we place to much expectation on tim in the same way lpool do with gerrard. they both set the bar very high for themselves and what may be deemed as an ok perofrmance for most midfielders seem way below par for these two and they get slated. lets just say if it wasnt for tim we may be languishing in mid table at the moment so take off those kopite goggles and stop impersonating a blue!!!
I find it amazing that anyone could even consider arguing a case that we should sell Tim Cahill. Cahill made the tackle that won the game in Norway. He inspires, he is our most influential and charismatic player and we are where we are because we have built our team around Tim. The team play better when he is in the side and he is always likely to score a goal.
Oh and by the way - Barnsley for the cup - but I wish it had been us that had beaten the red sh*te. With Tim in the team there is a chance that we could. I am certain that the spanish waiter would have loved him at analfield.
Oh and by the way - Barnsley for the cup - but I wish it had been us that had beaten the red sh*te. With Tim in the team there is a chance that we could. I am certain that the spanish waiter would have loved him at analfield.
Tim C Rocks and is a real true blue. Without him we struggle. Why = because he is a huge team player. Let Davey worry about it. I?m booking my ticket for Manchester where Tiny will once again be the MAN! COYB?s
I think that in a 5-man midfield with a good link up with the striker (mainly the Yak) Tim Cahill is one of the best players in the Premier League... However, in a 4-man midfield he is average at best...
I would like to see either JV or Ani get more of a run out, whether it be for AJ or Tiny as I think they would bring more to the team with the others current form.
I would like to see either JV or Ani get more of a run out, whether it be for AJ or Tiny as I think they would bring more to the team with the others current form.
er - is he or isn’t he what? Can you or can’t you? (complete a sentence)
Is he a player we want to be able to call on when we want to play 4-5-1? For Christ’s sake, yes!
Is he a shoe-in when we’re 4-4-2 and the whole midfield is available? Certainly not!
Is he a player we want in our squad? That’s too stupid a question to bother answering. You must be out of your head to be asking it.
If you want to ask what we should accept in the transfer market for him - well you can ask that about anybody, and what do you know in any case. Or me.
Yes, Tim’s been below his best, so has Mikky, so is Manny, Yak’s a naughty boy, Jag you wouldn’t have let near the side, a few weeks ago, Bainesy can’t get in the team , AJ can’t score- yet we’re on a great roll. Don’t you see what it all means?
We’ve got a SQUAD - at last - and we can do what is needed to win matches.
And if you don’t want Tiny as part of the squad you’re out of your Tiny mind.
Is he a player we want to be able to call on when we want to play 4-5-1? For Christ’s sake, yes!
Is he a shoe-in when we’re 4-4-2 and the whole midfield is available? Certainly not!
Is he a player we want in our squad? That’s too stupid a question to bother answering. You must be out of your head to be asking it.
If you want to ask what we should accept in the transfer market for him - well you can ask that about anybody, and what do you know in any case. Or me.
Yes, Tim’s been below his best, so has Mikky, so is Manny, Yak’s a naughty boy, Jag you wouldn’t have let near the side, a few weeks ago, Bainesy can’t get in the team , AJ can’t score- yet we’re on a great roll. Don’t you see what it all means?
We’ve got a SQUAD - at last - and we can do what is needed to win matches.
And if you don’t want Tiny as part of the squad you’re out of your Tiny mind.
Absolute tripe. Another case of being spoilt - with a player of Cahill?s ability. We were rubbish starting the first 10 of the season - and our form picked up when? Yes when Cahill came back. He?s up there with the likes of Lampard - in for goals - and he?s actually playing up front winning headers at the moment. And he?s been half way round the world and back and played in games constantly. I?m glad David Moyes, one of the greatest managers we?ve had, is in charge. And not you. You really are so wrong its unreal.
I have been an avid reader of Toffeeweb for the last 3-4 years and 9 times out of 10 times I enjoy the banter. This article however is complete rubbish. Sometimes you cannot quantify what a particular player brings to the team, Tim has 110% commitment and an uncanny finishing ability. Moyes occasionally stiffles his free roaming style in favour of the team formation, lately he has not been great but I still believe Tim is one of the first names on the teamsheet. Certain players have INFLUENCE and change games, Tim is one of those....in the same way Joe Parkinson, Big Nev, Dave Watson, Big Dunc and Peter Reid had influence. We would be mad to sell him....well at least for another year......and good luck to Stubbsy another great Evertonian......influence, passion and leadership.
The only thing wrong with TC is the one thing wrong with David Moyes. That is, despite getting so many things right, DM still seems to find it hard to rest or rotate players when it is often patently needed (i.e. now with TC).
Tim Cahill needs to be left out for his own good (& ours too). Likewise with AJ, where James Vaughan must be frothing at the mouth not to get in. I believe Vaughany can be one of the greats as he has such fantastic natural attributes. AJ is a great lad, but something is missing. I think the slandering he took last season from Wenger & others was both disgusting and (to him) destructive.
I’m disappointed not to have seen at least Bjarny Vidarsson from the kids on the fringe. I’d also (seriously) like to have seen Andy VdM get a go in the UEFA cup. Moyesy is right on just about most things these days and he’s running the club superbly. But I’d just like to see a little more adventure both on & off the pitch.
Cahill would die for Everton and no way is he done here. AJ, I’m in two minds. The club has unarguably moved up a couple of notches since we got him. He’s not the main man anymore & I think if we could get £10m for him then we should re-invest elsewhere.
Final point - I know he had penance to pay, but I swear that Yakubu did more work on Wednesday night alone than in 4 years at Middlesbro.
Happy days...
Tim Cahill needs to be left out for his own good (& ours too). Likewise with AJ, where James Vaughan must be frothing at the mouth not to get in. I believe Vaughany can be one of the greats as he has such fantastic natural attributes. AJ is a great lad, but something is missing. I think the slandering he took last season from Wenger & others was both disgusting and (to him) destructive.
I’m disappointed not to have seen at least Bjarny Vidarsson from the kids on the fringe. I’d also (seriously) like to have seen Andy VdM get a go in the UEFA cup. Moyesy is right on just about most things these days and he’s running the club superbly. But I’d just like to see a little more adventure both on & off the pitch.
Cahill would die for Everton and no way is he done here. AJ, I’m in two minds. The club has unarguably moved up a couple of notches since we got him. He’s not the main man anymore & I think if we could get £10m for him then we should re-invest elsewhere.
Final point - I know he had penance to pay, but I swear that Yakubu did more work on Wednesday night alone than in 4 years at Middlesbro.
Happy days...
Your make one good point! he is tired. he hasnt had a decent off season in 3yrs and has injuries to boot.
no one in the league comes close to beating him in the air, his effort is amazing and his nack at nicking a goal when we need one tmost is what he does best. let arteta, pinnare and fernandes do the magic and let cahill win the ball and get int the box...
would love to see him rested but come on, he goes box to box for 90mins...
King Cahill, an aussie legend, sell him and sell him and we become like all the other clubs.
He gives us what liverpool wish they had, something different, what Man u had had in the 90’s with paul scholes.
Sign around the team thats doing well. dont sell a soul.
no one in the league comes close to beating him in the air, his effort is amazing and his nack at nicking a goal when we need one tmost is what he does best. let arteta, pinnare and fernandes do the magic and let cahill win the ball and get int the box...
would love to see him rested but come on, he goes box to box for 90mins...
King Cahill, an aussie legend, sell him and sell him and we become like all the other clubs.
He gives us what liverpool wish they had, something different, what Man u had had in the 90’s with paul scholes.
Sign around the team thats doing well. dont sell a soul.
Tim has been anonymous of late, but I’d say he just needs a few games starting on the bench. If our other midfielders scored more than a handful of goals per season we could consider selling him, but fact is they just don’t.
This player scores goal after goal for your club including goals against Chelsea, Man United and Arsenal and you can't see him fitting into your starting 11??? This man scores goals at World Cups to win games and you don't see him in your midfield??? This player is winning points for your team off his own boot (or head) and you can't see him in your team for the future??? There is no logic at all in your opinion. Just because Tim doesnt do fancy flicks and tricks which get the team nowhere doesn't mean he shouldn't be playing for a team that's lucky to have him.
A few performances slightly off track from Tim doesn't warrant a departure from the club. I would guarrantee that you would have been singing Tim Cahill?s name when he was on top of his form; now after a few dodgy performances you're the first to say he should go. Some fan you are.
Cahill is a Champion, it’s Johnson that worries me would he get a start in any of the other top four team, I doubt it.
As much as I admire Phil Neville’s work rate his distribution is poor he rarely puts over a decent cross. We also need a young up and coming holding midfielder to take over Carsley.
As much as I admire Phil Neville’s work rate his distribution is poor he rarely puts over a decent cross. We also need a young up and coming holding midfielder to take over Carsley.
Well what more is there to say... He is the heart of the team, scores goals, doesn’t overplay or showboat, he’s not predictable in his positioning in attack and that’s what makes him so hard for defences to deal with...he wants to be a winner...if I were manager Tim Cahill would be the first name on my teamsheet. IMO we could find a replacement for Arteta but honestly, who would we buy to replace Tim Cahill??
Jesus Christ ! What is it with you Sean ?
We are fourth in the league, looking good for the last sixteen of the UEFA cup and still you want to dig somebody out.
Get real and grow up!!
We are fourth in the league, looking good for the last sixteen of the UEFA cup and still you want to dig somebody out.
Get real and grow up!!
to the author of this thread.....shut up you boring meff and take yer mams face for a shite.
So the guy hasn?t scored in a few and you are all over him like a rash.
Stop your whining, Tim cahill has been one of the best bits of business we have done in recent years.
If Moyes keeps picking him that is good enough for me.
So the guy hasn?t scored in a few and you are all over him like a rash.
Stop your whining, Tim cahill has been one of the best bits of business we have done in recent years.
If Moyes keeps picking him that is good enough for me.
I agree with Tim Veitch’s comments, a lot of truths in there I think. Cahill has seemed off the boil in recent weeks but it is curious how it has coincided with the absence of some of our better attacking players, which must show for something because we’ve not created much in the games during that time. I think maybe it’s a mix of that and that he’s simply tired/not on full form.
Michael Farrelly
Champion is a great shout, Timmy is the heatbeat of the team and any Premier League team in the country would be proud for him to represent their club.
In my opinion he has missed the Yak holding the ball up and bringing others into play, thus giving Cahill the opportunity to get into the box late and do what he does best, which is score goals and make Toffees happy.
He?s one of the first on the teamsheet so let's cherish him, rather than deride him.
Champion is a great shout, Timmy is the heatbeat of the team and any Premier League team in the country would be proud for him to represent their club.
In my opinion he has missed the Yak holding the ball up and bringing others into play, thus giving Cahill the opportunity to get into the box late and do what he does best, which is score goals and make Toffees happy.
He?s one of the first on the teamsheet so let's cherish him, rather than deride him.
Get real mate. Cahill is a legend, and if you can name one person who is better than Cahill at what he does then maybe you have a case.
When he is in the team Everton win.
Simple as that.
When he is in the team Everton win.
Simple as that.
Why, Why, Why do people continually ask for change when at the moment we have a great squad? I know we should always look to keep improving but as soon as a player has a couple of off games people start calling for them to be moved on. Some people have very short memories and take for granted what players like Timmy have contributed to EFC and continue to contribute.
We were in reverse until Tim came back from injury.
Irreplaceable, Legend and if you had to show someone what the spirit of EFC is just show them a photo of Timmy Cahill.
We were in reverse until Tim came back from injury.
Irreplaceable, Legend and if you had to show someone what the spirit of EFC is just show them a photo of Timmy Cahill.
Although I agree that Tim has looked a bit out of sorts recently, and I dont know if thats just tiredness or not enough games, lose Tim at your peril.
He would undoubtedly be snapped up by any number of Premier League teams and be an instant success.
I beleive even the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea would see him as a good squad player or another option from the bench.
As said previously he is always heavily marked, most games by 2 players now in and around the box, this does free another Everton player to creat other opportunities though.
He’s not Frank Lampard or Paul Scholes but I believe still has a role to play, albeit an unusual one.
He would undoubtedly be snapped up by any number of Premier League teams and be an instant success.
I beleive even the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea would see him as a good squad player or another option from the bench.
As said previously he is always heavily marked, most games by 2 players now in and around the box, this does free another Everton player to creat other opportunities though.
He’s not Frank Lampard or Paul Scholes but I believe still has a role to play, albeit an unusual one.
I think the biggest issue here is that a lot of posters feel that if Cahill is not scoring then he has done nothing or is "anonymous" in games.
It couldn’t be further from the truth, in a 4-4-2 formation I think that Cahill actually sees more of the ball but unfortunately it is in a more less glamourous area of the pitch.
I am constantly baffled by the remarks about his lack of skill, lack of tackling and poor passing. If you actually watch him closely in the games, his tackling and niggling presence is fantastic and his passes are usally short and quick.
In the 4-5-1 formation, we see more of him in the box and the "dangerour aread" that, it seems, is where a lot of people seem to wake up and concentrate, they zone out the neat, sharp passes in midfield, as we are not going to score from that area, unless you are a lucky Scabby Alonso.
I would suggest the people who say Tiny Tim is anonymous in a 4-4-2 actually watch him closely the next game we have and judge him fairly and not get on his back after a few games where, les be honest, there are only a handful of players who have actually played well.
He is part of a team, one that is winning and going places, so to suggest we sell him is ridiculous to the extreme.
It couldn’t be further from the truth, in a 4-4-2 formation I think that Cahill actually sees more of the ball but unfortunately it is in a more less glamourous area of the pitch.
I am constantly baffled by the remarks about his lack of skill, lack of tackling and poor passing. If you actually watch him closely in the games, his tackling and niggling presence is fantastic and his passes are usally short and quick.
In the 4-5-1 formation, we see more of him in the box and the "dangerour aread" that, it seems, is where a lot of people seem to wake up and concentrate, they zone out the neat, sharp passes in midfield, as we are not going to score from that area, unless you are a lucky Scabby Alonso.
I would suggest the people who say Tiny Tim is anonymous in a 4-4-2 actually watch him closely the next game we have and judge him fairly and not get on his back after a few games where, les be honest, there are only a handful of players who have actually played well.
He is part of a team, one that is winning and going places, so to suggest we sell him is ridiculous to the extreme.
Okay, Tim is not on his best run of form since he has been at the club, but does that mean sell him? Were you saying to sell him at the end of 2007 when he had scored about 6 goals in 6 games after his return from injury? Were you saying to sell him after we had beaten Sunderland 7-1?
The same goes for any player. Did you say sell Yakubu after his first two games? Do you think we should sell Arteta as he has not been at his best recently? Do you think we should sell Howard after he has flapped at crosses in the last few weeks? If you were in charge, we wouldn’t have any players left.
Who would you buy to replace Cahill? You need a goalscoring and driving midfielder in the team. Unless you could persuade Lampard to leave Chelsea or Ronaldo to leave Man Utd or Fabregas to leave Arsenal, forget it.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
The same goes for any player. Did you say sell Yakubu after his first two games? Do you think we should sell Arteta as he has not been at his best recently? Do you think we should sell Howard after he has flapped at crosses in the last few weeks? If you were in charge, we wouldn’t have any players left.
Who would you buy to replace Cahill? You need a goalscoring and driving midfielder in the team. Unless you could persuade Lampard to leave Chelsea or Ronaldo to leave Man Utd or Fabregas to leave Arsenal, forget it.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
NO DEBATE
SELL TIM CAHILL
GET REAL
HES GOT SO MUCH MORE TO GIVE
COYB
SELL TIM CAHILL
GET REAL
HES GOT SO MUCH MORE TO GIVE
COYB
Tim Cahill for Captain.
Thats what I reckon also.
Thats what I reckon also.
On first inspection Steve McKenna’s narrow analysis of ’The Boy Cahill’ is sound.
But, and it’s a BIG but, he is the only catalyst we have that makes the team play at the right tempo, which in turn delivers the results we crave when he’s not playing.
Tim has the ’x’ factor, and we can’t live without it.
COYB!!!
But, and it’s a BIG but, he is the only catalyst we have that makes the team play at the right tempo, which in turn delivers the results we crave when he’s not playing.
Tim has the ’x’ factor, and we can’t live without it.
COYB!!!
Matthew
As I have said, Everton have not had ONE offer from any club trying to buy Tim, I don't see United, Arsenal, Chelsea knocking at the door every summer do you? If he was that good, why is nobody trying to prise our (star player) away from the club?
What I said in my post is that Tim needs a rest, and that I would like to see JV or Big Victor given a real good run in the team, you just had to look at the Reading game when James came on and was excellent, won us the game in my view. Now if JV did get a run in the team, he might just start banging in the goals and for me he causes more problems then Tim.
Tim is 28 and with Moyes looking to bring the age of the squad down and produce better football, Tim is not the future.
As I have said, Everton have not had ONE offer from any club trying to buy Tim, I don't see United, Arsenal, Chelsea knocking at the door every summer do you? If he was that good, why is nobody trying to prise our (star player) away from the club?
What I said in my post is that Tim needs a rest, and that I would like to see JV or Big Victor given a real good run in the team, you just had to look at the Reading game when James came on and was excellent, won us the game in my view. Now if JV did get a run in the team, he might just start banging in the goals and for me he causes more problems then Tim.
Tim is 28 and with Moyes looking to bring the age of the squad down and produce better football, Tim is not the future.
Sean I sort of see your point but no "big" clubs have come in for Yobo, Lescot, Arteta, Johnson, Vaughan and Hibbert....erm, ok but for the last oe because none of the big 4 have not come in for them, does that mean they are not worthy of our team?
I don’t think he needs a rest at all, he is simply going through a lean spell, if you can call it that as everyone else seems to be going through the same thing, yet Cahill has been pinpointed as being the cause of it.
I simply do not get the need to "blame" someone (can’t say moan amymore apparantly) when we are still winning, albeit ugly.
He is a pivitol player for our team and is possibly one of the most important players we have at the moment. Of corse this could all change but at this moment in time he is the heartbeat of the team and I for one would never consider selling him.
I don’t think he needs a rest at all, he is simply going through a lean spell, if you can call it that as everyone else seems to be going through the same thing, yet Cahill has been pinpointed as being the cause of it.
I simply do not get the need to "blame" someone (can’t say moan amymore apparantly) when we are still winning, albeit ugly.
He is a pivitol player for our team and is possibly one of the most important players we have at the moment. Of corse this could all change but at this moment in time he is the heartbeat of the team and I for one would never consider selling him.
Also with the "Sky 4" issue, look a their teams, they have Chav - Lampard, Ballack, Makelele etc etc, Arse - Fabregas, Van Persie, Flamini etc - Man Ure - Ronaldo, Scholes, etc, The Shite, Gerrard, Alonso Mascerano etc.
Why would they need Cahill, the Shite have just sold Sisoslsolsolsoko, a one time suitor for Moyes, the comparision just is there with regards to the midfielders they already have, so that in a non point
Why would they need Cahill, the Shite have just sold Sisoslsolsolsoko, a one time suitor for Moyes, the comparision just is there with regards to the midfielders they already have, so that in a non point
Didn’t realise Tim was an old 28 Sean (Hope you detect the sarcasm). Try telling Sir Alex to sell the young Giggs and Scholes so that he can play an untried youngster who has ounces of potential.
Why would a team like Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool go for him when they all have someone who can fill this role. Besides, it’s clear that there is a lot of love between Everton and Tim as he still signed up for another 4 years and other clubs realise that they would set a price on him to scare off the market.
Me thinks you’re in for a tough time as he’s with us for the long haul, thank God!! Might need to save this article for next year when he doesn’t score or assist in two games on the trot.
Why would a team like Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool go for him when they all have someone who can fill this role. Besides, it’s clear that there is a lot of love between Everton and Tim as he still signed up for another 4 years and other clubs realise that they would set a price on him to scare off the market.
Me thinks you’re in for a tough time as he’s with us for the long haul, thank God!! Might need to save this article for next year when he doesn’t score or assist in two games on the trot.
Great player, needs a rest; poor defensively, not a great passer of the ball. However, he can score goals.
We need him and wil continue to need him. Only problem is he is Australian, and I am coming to the opinion that all Premier League clubs will shy away from southern hemisphere players as it's impossible to rely on them.No doubt all will bitch and maon, but the truth hurts.
Please don't come back and say he plays fantastic for Australia,we dont care one jot if he does. Tim is at his best and the way we want him to be when he is not distracted by countries who really are more interested in Cricket and Rugby.
I await the patriotism with utter contempt for it.
We need him and wil continue to need him. Only problem is he is Australian, and I am coming to the opinion that all Premier League clubs will shy away from southern hemisphere players as it's impossible to rely on them.No doubt all will bitch and maon, but the truth hurts.
Please don't come back and say he plays fantastic for Australia,we dont care one jot if he does. Tim is at his best and the way we want him to be when he is not distracted by countries who really are more interested in Cricket and Rugby.
I await the patriotism with utter contempt for it.
Cahill is by far Evertons best midfielder, a footballer, a goalscorer, a tackler, a big heart, and a winner. Who in the current midfield has two of those attributes? Well... none of them. He would walk into Liverpool?s team, probably United?s too.
Tim is Class.... some of you have short memories. He was the best attacking midfielder a few weeks ago when he was banging the goals in; suddently he isnt good enough? Yet he is still one of the best attacking midfield players in the Prem. Every player has poor spells even the likes of fatboy Rooney....get off his back.
Sean,
Twice now you’ve asserted that we have had no offers for Cahill. How do you know? I certainly don’t and no other normal fan does. One thing I’m proud of with the ’new’ Everton is that much of our business is done behind closed doors, quite unlike the other crowd over the park. However I digress ...
I’m not aware that we’ve had firm offers for Howard, Yobo, Lescott, Baines, Pienaar, Yakubu, Johnson, Vaughan, Anichebe or even Arteta. Under your flawed criteria, are these players not good enough for others, so not good enough for us? If so, lets sell the lot!
If you want your piece to be taken seriously, here’s a tip: don’t try to pass off your own contrived version of your opinion as FACT.
Bottom line on this post as mentioned before:
- we have a very good squad - one that allows us to play different players, formations and develop play in different ways,
- we are 4th in the PL, playing generally decent football,
- going really well in UEFA Cup,
- above the RS,
- got great team spirit (that undoubtedly contributes positively to the above),
and you want to disrupt this, presumably because its not good enough for you??
Well I give up!! Or should that be you give up?
Twice now you’ve asserted that we have had no offers for Cahill. How do you know? I certainly don’t and no other normal fan does. One thing I’m proud of with the ’new’ Everton is that much of our business is done behind closed doors, quite unlike the other crowd over the park. However I digress ...
I’m not aware that we’ve had firm offers for Howard, Yobo, Lescott, Baines, Pienaar, Yakubu, Johnson, Vaughan, Anichebe or even Arteta. Under your flawed criteria, are these players not good enough for others, so not good enough for us? If so, lets sell the lot!
If you want your piece to be taken seriously, here’s a tip: don’t try to pass off your own contrived version of your opinion as FACT.
Bottom line on this post as mentioned before:
- we have a very good squad - one that allows us to play different players, formations and develop play in different ways,
- we are 4th in the PL, playing generally decent football,
- going really well in UEFA Cup,
- above the RS,
- got great team spirit (that undoubtedly contributes positively to the above),
and you want to disrupt this, presumably because its not good enough for you??
Well I give up!! Or should that be you give up?
PRICK.
Some of you will be glad to hear that this will be my last post on this subject.
Firstly, very good point Paul, I couldn't give a monkeys if Tim plays well for Oz ? he gets paid by Everton FC therefore his priority must lie with our club.
Tony, Yobo was linked with Arsenal; lesscot with chelski and united, arteta with Atletico Madrid; Johnson with West Ham; Cahill with nobody.
A few years ago our club sold the best young English player produced in years and all of our fans were pissed off; since then, with the Rooney money, our rise up the table has been excellent. So why is tim so (untouchable)?
Firstly, very good point Paul, I couldn't give a monkeys if Tim plays well for Oz ? he gets paid by Everton FC therefore his priority must lie with our club.
Tony, Yobo was linked with Arsenal; lesscot with chelski and united, arteta with Atletico Madrid; Johnson with West Ham; Cahill with nobody.
A few years ago our club sold the best young English player produced in years and all of our fans were pissed off; since then, with the Rooney money, our rise up the table has been excellent. So why is tim so (untouchable)?
If we can get the right offer why, not sell? With Moyes's curent transfer record, I would trust him to bring in a younger better player who can pass, has a first touch, can tackle, with pace who can score.
One player springs to mind: the young lad Bradley. Since we have been linked with the boy I've watched a few games of him, box-to-box player, strong, quick, can pass and score plus energy to burn. While he his still a young raw talent he could be the answer in my veiw. I've also read that Hamburg are interested as they want a replacement for Van der Vart... not to shabby then.
Sean, I respect your right to be opionated. I have my own opinion of Tm Cahill as an Everton player and speak for myself. However, the fact that my opinion concurs with Alan Ball’s and Ramon Wilson’s makes me feel we’re right and you’re wrong.
Sean you make some very valid points about Cahill’s ability and current form.
However, if the manager sold one of his starting 11 at the first sign of a dip in form (we’re talking the last 4 games or so) then we wouldn’t get very far.
Remember how we struggled at the start of the season? Back comes Timmy and we start playing again!! How short is your memory?
You are right in the fact that Timmy is all about goals and doesn’t posess huge amounts of ability on the ball, but as others have said above, he plays at a high tempo and reads the game really well.
If an offer came out of the blue in the summer, something around £8m to £10m then maybe it would be worth considering, but there’s no way we will be offering him out! We are building a squad not dismantling one and I think that there is still plenty of room for Tim in the team.
A quality right back is what we need and the securing of Pienaar. If Manny shows a bit more desire and the price isn’t too high then I still think he would be a quality addition. He hasn’t played particularly well yet, but you can see that he is comfortable on the ball and when he gives the ball away it is generally because he is trying to play the killer pass, something that many in the team are incapable of. The jury is out on Manny.
Despite Michael’s opening comment, I think even those who worship Timmy as some kind of footballing deity would have to admit that there is a lot of truth in the criticism that Sean levels at Cahill. However, selling him is a bit of a knee jerk reaction in my opinion.
COYB!!
However, if the manager sold one of his starting 11 at the first sign of a dip in form (we’re talking the last 4 games or so) then we wouldn’t get very far.
Remember how we struggled at the start of the season? Back comes Timmy and we start playing again!! How short is your memory?
You are right in the fact that Timmy is all about goals and doesn’t posess huge amounts of ability on the ball, but as others have said above, he plays at a high tempo and reads the game really well.
If an offer came out of the blue in the summer, something around £8m to £10m then maybe it would be worth considering, but there’s no way we will be offering him out! We are building a squad not dismantling one and I think that there is still plenty of room for Tim in the team.
A quality right back is what we need and the securing of Pienaar. If Manny shows a bit more desire and the price isn’t too high then I still think he would be a quality addition. He hasn’t played particularly well yet, but you can see that he is comfortable on the ball and when he gives the ball away it is generally because he is trying to play the killer pass, something that many in the team are incapable of. The jury is out on Manny.
Despite Michael’s opening comment, I think even those who worship Timmy as some kind of footballing deity would have to admit that there is a lot of truth in the criticism that Sean levels at Cahill. However, selling him is a bit of a knee jerk reaction in my opinion.
COYB!!
The blue kangeroo gives 100% everytime he plays.
Love Tim don’t get me wrong but his key attribute is goals. I would expect a second striker to score more than he does though. Also means we can put more creativity and grit in the middle of the park. Strikers score goals, midfielders create them and stop opposition atacks. End of. Goals from a midfield are a bonus not their primary job. Keep Tim on the bench (would be an amazing sub) but get another midfielder in (Arshavin!) and put Yak and Vaughan up front.
I agree. I think we should sell Cahill while we can get a good price and buy a true, tall, pacey centre-forward who the likes of Lescott can put the ball to him right on the money. We haven?t had a true killer centre forward on the books in a long time. With Fernandes, Arteta and Pienaar we don't need an underpeforming Cahill thrown into the mix.
I just don’t understand the mentality of someone who thinks we should sell Cahill to ’cash-in’ on his value. Sure, he’s not enjoying the best run of form at the moment, but we’re trying to build a squad here.
Tim has put in some incredible performances and scored a host of important goals for Everton since he joined us, and he will do so again. Personally, I believe he still warrants a place in our starting line up, although I understand why some now feel he may have more impact from the bench.
However, to say the time is right to sell him is ludicrous. Tim offers a goal threat that none of our other midfielders can, and I’m confident he will play a vital role in ensuring this season goes down as Moyes’s most successfull to date.
Tim has put in some incredible performances and scored a host of important goals for Everton since he joined us, and he will do so again. Personally, I believe he still warrants a place in our starting line up, although I understand why some now feel he may have more impact from the bench.
However, to say the time is right to sell him is ludicrous. Tim offers a goal threat that none of our other midfielders can, and I’m confident he will play a vital role in ensuring this season goes down as Moyes’s most successfull to date.
what aload of complete and utter rubbish. One of the best goal scoring records from a midfielder in Europe, playing in the hardet league in eUROPE . SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP YOUR ARE A EMBARISSMENT
Fantastic idea Andie, in fact lets get rid of our entire midfield and get a player like Ferguson back, I mean it would stop all this nonsense of trying to pass the ball again, instead we can just hoof the ball to the tall speedy forward............or we could continue to try and get our passing game going, you know the one where we were pissing all over Le Arse until we imploded, the passing game that 99.9% of everyone on here strives for.
We are trying not to be a selling club and adding quality to what we have, that is where great squads come from, keeping hold of your best players and not just selling for the sake of getting a quick profit.
Also Sean "Tony, Yobo was linked with Arsenal; lesscot with Chelski and United, Arteta with Atletico Madrid; Johnson with West Ham; Cahill with nobody", the key word here is "linked", has any manager of these clubs come out and said they were interested in the players mentioned or was it the red tops? I think you will find, if we are playing this game, that Cahill has been linked with ManUre on many an occasion, so does this mean QED?
We are trying not to be a selling club and adding quality to what we have, that is where great squads come from, keeping hold of your best players and not just selling for the sake of getting a quick profit.
Also Sean "Tony, Yobo was linked with Arsenal; lesscot with Chelski and United, Arteta with Atletico Madrid; Johnson with West Ham; Cahill with nobody", the key word here is "linked", has any manager of these clubs come out and said they were interested in the players mentioned or was it the red tops? I think you will find, if we are playing this game, that Cahill has been linked with ManUre on many an occasion, so does this mean QED?
I know everybody is entitled to there opinion, but I feel you are being INCREDIBLY harsh on Tim, he works his socks off for the team yes, but he also has other qualities. With the absence of Mikel Arteta on Wednesday, Tim had to drop deeper and still did his job for the team. But I do agree that he is at his best in a 5-man midfield. Overall he is a fan favourite because he scores goals and as Makelele said, Everton play better when he is in the team. I think I speak for most blues when I say, we don?t want Tim Cahill going anywhere because he is an asset to the team.
Paul Niklas,
"Only problem is he is Australian, and I am coming to the opinion that all Premier League clubs will shy away from southern hemisphere players as it?s impossible to rely on them". Please explain that pile of shit you have just written! Tim would be one of Everton's most comitted players; other Australian players are so unreliable as well, that's why Lucas Neill is capatin of his team West Ham, I don?t see Mark Hughes complaining about Brett Emerton either! You are just a typical Pom who is embarrassed by his National side because they are the biggest uncomitted overpaid and overated bunch of fairies that have ever represented their country.
"Only problem is he is Australian, and I am coming to the opinion that all Premier League clubs will shy away from southern hemisphere players as it?s impossible to rely on them". Please explain that pile of shit you have just written! Tim would be one of Everton's most comitted players; other Australian players are so unreliable as well, that's why Lucas Neill is capatin of his team West Ham, I don?t see Mark Hughes complaining about Brett Emerton either! You are just a typical Pom who is embarrassed by his National side because they are the biggest uncomitted overpaid and overated bunch of fairies that have ever represented their country.
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Tim Cahill is a truly excellent player who is looking a bit tired to me ? perhaps rushed back in too soon after his injury. He gives Moyes an option of a player who scores, defends, and will run his tits off for the cause.
Get rid of him? That?s insanity.
As for the "Only problem he is Aurstalian" crap ? I find that offensive. The Aussies give us a kicking at every sport they take seriously. God help football if they turn their focus on that, they?ll be world champions within a decade.
Cahill, you make me proud to be an Evertonian.
Get rid of him? That?s insanity.
As for the "Only problem he is Aurstalian" crap ? I find that offensive. The Aussies give us a kicking at every sport they take seriously. God help football if they turn their focus on that, they?ll be world champions within a decade.
Cahill, you make me proud to be an Evertonian.
...and before anyone mentions the Rugby World Cup, their game is really Rugby League.
Well said, Michael Tracey.
Some of the worst trash I've ever seen written on TW.
The fact he's Australian explains why his heart is so big and his loyalty to Everton cannot be questioned. Can?t tackle??? Open your eyes, didn?t you see him crush that SK Brann player to win the ball which led to Leon Osman's goal???
Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn?t be writing the crap you are.
Some of the worst trash I've ever seen written on TW.
The fact he's Australian explains why his heart is so big and his loyalty to Everton cannot be questioned. Can?t tackle??? Open your eyes, didn?t you see him crush that SK Brann player to win the ball which led to Leon Osman's goal???
Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn?t be writing the crap you are.
Sean, you must be smoking to much weed. Have a cuppa and a lie down before you send in such drivel. All the real fans know what it takes to build a SQUAD!
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Sean,
He is
Did I offend someone my posts have been removed.
Paul Niklas - I?m not sure how you can come to the conclusion that an Australian player is unreliable because he is Australian.
Evertonians should be proud that one of their players is a key player for his nation, and we should be hoping that Lescott makes his mark for England, Arteta gets a go for Spain, and the other quality members of our squad get the chance to play for their respective countries. Maybe, Paul, your issues lie with international football. If that?s the case, and to make you happy, maybe Everton should sign players who have no chance of being an international footballer, and then we can plummet into mediocrity. Like it or not, the pinnacle of a footballers career is to represent their country and there is very little you can do to change that.
On to the Cahill issue - quality player and very important to our team and it rediculous to suggest that he should be sold on the basis of a couple of poor games.
Evertonians should be proud that one of their players is a key player for his nation, and we should be hoping that Lescott makes his mark for England, Arteta gets a go for Spain, and the other quality members of our squad get the chance to play for their respective countries. Maybe, Paul, your issues lie with international football. If that?s the case, and to make you happy, maybe Everton should sign players who have no chance of being an international footballer, and then we can plummet into mediocrity. Like it or not, the pinnacle of a footballers career is to represent their country and there is very little you can do to change that.
On to the Cahill issue - quality player and very important to our team and it rediculous to suggest that he should be sold on the basis of a couple of poor games.
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James, you got it in one.
I would stop all international football in the season completely.
It is a disruption to our league and our clubs performance>
It is of no interest to me and disrupts my ability to watch Everton every week.
Let them play world tournaments in the summer while we are away on holiday or something.
after all their is no real benefit to International football, England will remain crap no matter how many times they play.
End of the day the players get paid by the club, sign for clubs for ambition at the club and the money they get.
International football in the main is a hobby and a boring one at that.
I know I cant stop it but I am entitled to hate it as much as I hate the RS.
The day will come however when club will undoubtely rule full stop.
I look forward to that day.
Maybe we just go for a world football club league and forget all the true supporters who just want to watch and pay to watch their own club 40 plus times a season.
or support the ever increasing corporate football that the CEOs want which will be fickle by its very nature and kill football altogether as we know it.
I would stop all international football in the season completely.
It is a disruption to our league and our clubs performance>
It is of no interest to me and disrupts my ability to watch Everton every week.
Let them play world tournaments in the summer while we are away on holiday or something.
after all their is no real benefit to International football, England will remain crap no matter how many times they play.
End of the day the players get paid by the club, sign for clubs for ambition at the club and the money they get.
International football in the main is a hobby and a boring one at that.
I know I cant stop it but I am entitled to hate it as much as I hate the RS.
The day will come however when club will undoubtely rule full stop.
I look forward to that day.
Maybe we just go for a world football club league and forget all the true supporters who just want to watch and pay to watch their own club 40 plus times a season.
or support the ever increasing corporate football that the CEOs want which will be fickle by its very nature and kill football altogether as we know it.
I have said it before and i will say it again. Tim Cahill for captain!! Such incredible desire to win, to score and to wear the blue shirt. No-one has done that since Big Dunc!
By the way James you must read what is said before you comment.
I never said Unreliable because he is Australian.
I said we cant rely on southern hemisphere players< in my opinion due to their international committments and things like the African nations cup.
Also when players do play for European teams ,(England, France) in the main the premier league gets a weekend off apart from friendlies.
So it does not affect the team as much.
I still dont like international football though.
I never said Unreliable because he is Australian.
I said we cant rely on southern hemisphere players< in my opinion due to their international committments and things like the African nations cup.
Also when players do play for European teams ,(England, France) in the main the premier league gets a weekend off apart from friendlies.
So it does not affect the team as much.
I still dont like international football though.
You must be joking mate. Tim is a vital part of the Everton team, he was born to play for this team. Without Cahill, our system would not work, he is a tireless midfielder and there ain't nobody in his position better than him in the PremierLeague. Cahill is also one of the stronger characters in the squad and to see him go, others may start to think about that option of leaving. He is our second top goalscoarer with 9 in all competitions infront of Johnson and McFadden.
Johnson has scored 6 in 21 Premier League appearances and for an £8.6M striker that aint good enough. I like Johnson but he has no confidence, it's like he thinks he is worse than he is. If anyone should go maybe him for at least £12M tho. Yakubu is a great signing, although it seems as if he has done nothing in 17 apps, he has 12 goals ? not bad when all is considerd.
Sean,
You are completely off the mark and put simply, the run that Eveton started in October was down to who - Tim Cahill.
Even through to December when the Toffees were beaten by Man U and Arseanl, who scored? Yes Tiny Tim! Who scored against Chelsea? Oh my god, Tiny Tim again. Who scored in the early UEFA games, oh there we go again, Timothy Joel Cahill! He get’s double-marked and can still make opportunities, sure he may not b scoring in every game currently, but more often than not, he’s utting himself in the position too.
The Gaffer picks him because he knows Tim’s value to the team, as a goal scorer, opportunity maker and team man - a true Evertonian!
Take him out of Everton and it’s a massive, massive loss.
You are completely off the mark and put simply, the run that Eveton started in October was down to who - Tim Cahill.
Even through to December when the Toffees were beaten by Man U and Arseanl, who scored? Yes Tiny Tim! Who scored against Chelsea? Oh my god, Tiny Tim again. Who scored in the early UEFA games, oh there we go again, Timothy Joel Cahill! He get’s double-marked and can still make opportunities, sure he may not b scoring in every game currently, but more often than not, he’s utting himself in the position too.
The Gaffer picks him because he knows Tim’s value to the team, as a goal scorer, opportunity maker and team man - a true Evertonian!
Take him out of Everton and it’s a massive, massive loss.
Sean, your comment is absolute Rubbish, If thats the way you speak about your teams beat player, if not one of the competitions best. Tims got courage & commitment & part of the reason Everton is going so good, if your a true Toffee, Respect Cahill
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Listen everyone!
Why cant we just be pleased were doing so damn well. I Know for definate I am not the only one who has stood many a time on a rain soaked terrace watchin the lads playing so so poor. But all this....All these comments are reminiscent of the Red noses across the park ringing in to 5live and TalkSport moaning bout every little thing only to change their minds the following week. I have not seen a better squad in years so i?m simply enjoying watching the team i love enjoy such success. Crap like this whole thread is what USED to make our club different from the others hence the term ? the peoples club?. If we were bottom of the league then I would expect criticism because we would have our place in the league at risk which simply can never happen. It is in fact the opposite and we?re flying high this season again which is a fantastic sign of things to come.
The premier league is the greatest league in the world. Look where our football club is. 4th. Never mind Tim Cahills bad patch. I am confident Davey Moyes has a tightly knit squad that all does its own job to achieve our recent form.
The bottom line is we could not ask for anymore. Anyone who thinks bad of Tim Cahill is in effect saying we would be higher than 4th in the league ie above Arsenal etc if we did not have him.
We are 4th. It is because of EVERYONE in the team and the league table reflects this. .
Statistics do not lie.
So stop moaning! And start singing the blues!
Why cant we just be pleased were doing so damn well. I Know for definate I am not the only one who has stood many a time on a rain soaked terrace watchin the lads playing so so poor. But all this....All these comments are reminiscent of the Red noses across the park ringing in to 5live and TalkSport moaning bout every little thing only to change their minds the following week. I have not seen a better squad in years so i?m simply enjoying watching the team i love enjoy such success. Crap like this whole thread is what USED to make our club different from the others hence the term ? the peoples club?. If we were bottom of the league then I would expect criticism because we would have our place in the league at risk which simply can never happen. It is in fact the opposite and we?re flying high this season again which is a fantastic sign of things to come.
The premier league is the greatest league in the world. Look where our football club is. 4th. Never mind Tim Cahills bad patch. I am confident Davey Moyes has a tightly knit squad that all does its own job to achieve our recent form.
The bottom line is we could not ask for anymore. Anyone who thinks bad of Tim Cahill is in effect saying we would be higher than 4th in the league ie above Arsenal etc if we did not have him.
We are 4th. It is because of EVERYONE in the team and the league table reflects this. .
Statistics do not lie.
So stop moaning! And start singing the blues!
In recent weeks there have been calls by some Toffees to sell Tim Cahill or at least Drop him. Thankfully this school of thought is in the minority based on the responses to such suggestions. What is totally annoying is the apparent loss of memory by some fans.
At the first sign of a player (Cahill is the latest target)having a few ordinary games they want him to be sold or dropped, and question their value to the team. Well on Monday night i saw one of the most courages, committed and classy displays by an Everton player in many years. All the players were fantastic but Timmy was OUTSTANDING! Especially when you consider he was playing whilst ill.
I know his form in a few games of late has been a little below his normal high standards but to think of selling Timmy is blasfemous. And for the record, here are the answers to a couple of Questions.
1. Would Cahill get into the so called big 4 teams? YES.
2. Can he play in a 4 man midfield? YES.
3.Do his goals merit a place in the starting line up? YES.
4.Would you rather see Timmy on the bench replaced by anyone at anytime? NO.
5.Is Cahill's passing and touch up to scratch?YES.
Should we sell him in the summer?
NO, NEVER.
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But the fact is we are getting the results with him in the team... which means that a portion of the fanbase who read these pages are going to be quite riled that you should dare to produce such an analysis. And will no doubt bitch and moan because we are publishing it... Ho hum!
De ja vous too... haven?t we just had this discussion... here and here???