Moyes: Another six years?
David Moyes's latest assessment of how long it will take to break into the top four comes as no surprise but it goes a long way to explaining why, despite his good record, he remains unloved by some Blues.I have no problem with the odd dose of reality, although Davey strangely gets more 'realistic' as the season end aproaches, but his real motive is to lower expectations in order to extend his job tenure and to remind everyone how lucky we are to have him.
It's been said before but his relationship with his Chairman and a large number of Everton fans is extremely unhealthy. Some supporters cling to Moyes like they have found a lifeboat in a strormy sea and refuse to contemplate any other future in spite of the shite football we have had to endure for 90% of his tenure. And Kenwright can't believe he has stumbled across a manager who demands so little money and so in return is delighted to guarantee him a job for life with absolutely no criticism.
In reality, the Everton job is as good as it gets for Moyes and allowing him to work under no pressure will end in tears. He will never be offered a top job because.... well, that's obvious isnt it? ? and he will never get the Newcastle or Spurs jobs because their fans would not tolerate the sheer tedium. His options are limited to the old firm, an admission of stepping down a league, or a sideways move such as City.
Another guaranteed six years would be justified if there was real evidence that he was learning from his mistakes. However, for six years on the run, all he has demonstrated is that he is unable to put out a team which can produce the goods in the final third of the season when the pressure is on. His appalling cup record confirms that he folds when the pressure comes on and it is surely no co-incidence that the Uefa Cup 'everyone qualifies league format' suited him down to the ground.
My message to Moyes is forget about that self-serving shite about another six years and step up to the plate againsts Villa instead. Try to inspire the team and don't (as you did against Liverpool) tell them in advance that, no matter what happens, it has been a great season ? for me that story really sums up the man.
What's really depressing is that if its all goes tits up next Sunday then within minutes we will be being told by the deluded that all is well and guess what? ? Yes, he is still young and still learning!
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Nil satis nisi optimum is something I have proudly engraved on my body... it's a pity the ginger-loving tree-hugging fans that defend him, don't seem to know its true meaning...
Moyes out... Billic in....
Until then, it?s make do and mend with a brand of football that is workmanlike, turgid and lacks any class or quality. Until then, it?s wave goodbye to the three points in those big games.
I can understand where Moyes is coming from but he?s trying to manage fans expectations down and I don?t like that. Six years is fucking unacceptable in by book as is, I?ll be happy to put up and shut up if you want me.
Make a fucking stand man and demand investment so we can push on instead of settling for mediocrity. Sounds like you're just happy picking up your wage cheque and just inflicting more fucking misery on us!
However, too much of what appears on this site is in the vein of this article. I think the sort of indignant carping fans who congregate here give Evertonians a bad name. Its like you are can’t resist always looking for something rotten under a rock.
How can you slam David Moyes for what has been the best season for ages? Your expectations obviously must have been honed on the nearly ten solid years of relegation dogfights which preceded him. He’s really taken the club down. Yeah right.
I, for one, am happy to see how it goes over the next few years. I’ve seen enough of one hit wonders (95 for instance) and think the slow steady progress we are now making is far preferable.
He is an efficient manager who can grind out safety each year but the style of play, lack of belief in skill and in taking chances will always limit us. If you want dire football, Premiership survival, possibly 6th but just as likely to be 14th next year then he is your man.
He is clearly managing expectations and securing his future.... if he is so good why does no-one else ever want him? He is perfect for a yo-yo team who?s only ambition is to maintain Premiership status. I?m dreading him signing another contract with us and the only possible ?out? is Celtic where the majority of fans dont appear too keen either.
The ?remember the Walter years? brigade need to realise that, although we have better players and so don't get threatened with relegation, Moyes has spent a fortune on them and we still play the same defensive, safety first, dire crap that he will always gravitate too. Until he goes our best hope is a few piss-ups in Europe until a half decent skillful team embarasses us, and to be cannon fodder for the big boys...
I still just cant get my head around why so many people think so much of him... maybe it's those very well managed expectations?
I have not given up on him being the new ’Ferguson’, but we now need something David Moyes alone cannot deliver. The budget to buy and blend better players with the one’s we already have.
We peaked this season at Man City. That display was almost flawless. Our control of the game and the passing that night was mighty impressive.
To rise above that and do it against those with money to burn and squads far more resilient than ours is the next, and potentially impossible, hurdle.
If the investment matches his hunger and he then fails to embrace totally the ’School of Science’ approach he will have been found out.
Until then I see no better manager of our club than the Man who has lifted us into the realms of being ’gutted’ by finishing one or two places behind our free spending, diving, cheating, referee loved, american franchise, "worse fans in Europe" neighbours.
And by the way, Kirkby my Arse! You avin that Bill? Sub standard, low quality location with low quality sub standard transport links???
£78 million (@ current steel and construction preices) input for a brand such as Everton Football Club to Boost the name of Knowsley worldwide???
Do me a favour and come up with plans B,C & Zee pronto.
There is only one target for David and the lads this year as there will be in the next six. So long as Everton are comfortably clear of relegation, the season is a success.
We will finish in the top ten of the best league in Britain. We have been in that Premier League top half (unlike big clubs like Newcastle and Tottenham) all season and even won three of our six domestic cup ties and got to the last 16 of the Uefa Cup - a run that was the club?s best European performance since that night in Rotterdam long, long ago.
Much is being written about qualifying for Europe again but there must be some value in a nice quiet season in 2008-09 with none of this cup-tie pressure and overseas trips and we will see the squad develop some more. We can safely leave all that kind of over-blown Euro nonsense to our old red chums in Stanley Park.
A nice series of Premier League games lies ahead with Moyes going head to head against three of the great football managers.
Don?t be bitter. Life around Goodison is good and it might even get better in a few years time. Be patient! Thanks for another top ten finish, lads.
Moyes doesn’t need 6 years, he needs silverware to keep his job. We will eventually boo him out of Goodison (or Kirkby wherever). To get fed up with the same faces is only human nature.
I think I remember reading some where that the Club budget for a 10th place finish, which comes out as 30mill sky money.
Now it is obvious to me that Moyes will only get more or less half of this, the rest will be ring fenced for the 78mill, which will no doubt increase as the years go on to 90 -100 mill, think of a number.
Now for the ’X’ yr plan 6yrs is now the new 5yrs
Simple really 6 X 15ish mill for Moyes, 6 X 15ish mill for the Kirkbydome kitty. The last 2 seasons 6th and ?th have been similar to the Years of plenty in Bill Amazing technicolour Dreamcoat show. nice bonuses all round eh lads.
So it’s more of the dame 1 or 2 players at 7 or so mill or 1 at 12 or 13 mill and some try before you buy loaners ( Dave’s Scottish carefulness at work there ).
6 years and we’ll be there or there abouts, hopefully?? with 6 or 8 much better players.
But in 2014, that 10m or so years years since he signed Yobo who will have fell off the Squad sheet Yobo Cahill Aretea??? by 2014, That of course assumes no Koldrups, Beattie’s or AvdM’s.
You don’t often get what you deserve, we more than anybody should know that one off by heart, but the fact is...YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET.
This all ties in well with the Mid level stadium ethos, we will get a mid level team coached in midlevel tactics by a mid level manager, to mid level cup runs, appointed by a top level Bullshitter.
And if we are really unlucky we will, after all that, get another mid level 6 yrs.
This last 21 yrs since 1987 has been one long mid life crisis.
Talk about Fair Well My Lovely, we are heading for the Long Goodbye followed by the Big Sleep.
If you didnt know otherwise, you’d think that John had penned his piece in the light of a mid to lower table finish. But hey, lets not let the facts of THIS season, get in the way hey John?.
We are currently FIFTH, yes lets remind ourselves again, FIFTH in the league with the HIGHEST points total we’ve accumulated since the start of the Premier League.
If we stay there, thats the highest that we can seriously possibly expect to finish. If we dont, it will be dissapointing ( a sign of progress in itself) but there is mitigation. The loss of Cahill, Arteta and Osman cant be discounted (well it can as many correspondents on here demonstrate, but you see my point).
Moyes isnt perfect and has made mistakes - no manager is or doesnt. But I detect something else here and thats a hang up we have caused by the trials and tribulations of our neighbours.
Is it a coincidence that the anguish of Evertonians recently has increased in parallel with Liverpool’s progress in the Champions League? Maybe, maybe not.
C’mon Evertonians, this has been a good season and could be even better with a final flourish. As for the other shower, they’ve really nothing to do with us
On the one hand you all assert Everton are too good for him and on the other "the Everton job is about as good as it get's for Moyes" and we don?t attract decent managers (and why is that?) so have to make do with him. I think you lot need the reality check here.
We are a grand old club of the league with a proud and distinguished past. We burned our boats ourselves (with a little help from our red neighbours of course) failing to capitalise on Howard Kendall?s success. after that, if you have forgotten, the club went into freefall.
Have you forgotten the early nineties, Wimbledon, Coventry, Joe Royle; and talk about yo-yo football. If you think the ride we are on now is less satisfactory than Everton?s dismal display in the Uefa Cup in 95/96 then you truly are imbecilic. Howard Kendall was the eighties, this is the 21st century. Its time to move on. You know like we are always telling RS fans - they have no god given right to win just because of their past success.
For the first time since I started going to Everton, this season I feel we?ve a team to be proud of. It's about time some of you started to realise what they are achieving, how they are performing the gravity defying feat of being so high in the league against the odds and having a more than respectable League Cup run and fantastic Uefa Cup run. And the reason they have managed it is fantastic management whatever you say. And with the best will in the world they are not the greatest players as you lot are always so quick to point out. So be glad they have toiled for that blue shirt, which for me is half the meaning of our club?s motto.
Our Sky money for this season will be well in excess of £50mill...as this is the first year of the 3-year foreign tv contract.
Moyes is aware of the above and i also believe is acutely aware that other clubs would shove him out of the door after half a dozen bad games as easily as they brought him in. Not a sign he can have an easy life at Everton, more because we’re all in it for the long haul and this approach has reaped bigger dividends than at most other clubs. It’s no coincidence that the current top 5 includes the 3 longest serving managers.
I also think Moyes is being very optimistic about breaking into the top 4 in 5 or 6 years as with the current entry barriers it’s almost improssible (and he means to do it on a consistent basis). This season, when most of the squad has been available we’ve played some good football. Very good football at times. We are better now and with a better squad than for some time. A few good additions this summer and we’ll improve next year i’ve no doubt. Remember who has brought the likes of Arteta, Howard, Cahill, Lescott, Yakubu, Yobo and Pienaar to this club? Players who are largely the best we’ve had since the halcyon days of the 80’s. Sometimes I fear we forget this. And i’m not saying we should accept mediocrity, i’m just saying that we should appreciate that we’ve managed to fairly consistently punch above our weight, something which is allowing us proper foundations to perform better on a far more consistent basis. We should be supporting the team, the manager and the board and proving many fans of opposing teams right in that we’re a proper club going about things the proper way. Many other fans are envious of EFC, let’s not act like a bunch of impetuous children and spoil it all.
Of course you will now have to put up with the usual ?You?re not a proper Evertonian? bollox from now on from the Moyes fundamentalists. In some ways I think showing total support of his time in charge is a form of self flagellation...the worse the pain gets watching another inept performance, the more defiant they get and they feel a better fan for it!
Moyes should demand cash of BK or walk..its doing him no good being a BK puppet..DEMAND IT DAVEY..WE WILL BACK YOU. FORGET THE BARGINS YOU KNOW WE ARE AT THE POINT WERE WE NEED THE TOP PLAYERS TO MOVE FORWARD..NO MORE MOULDING JUST INSTANT GOOS PLAYERS.
Bilic!!? You are joking right? Did we not line his pockets enough during his playing contract?
Why not bring Big Duncan in as first team coach whilst we are at it?
Firstly - I do not think DM is without fault,never makes mistakes and is second only to Howard Kendall amongst Everton managers. Sometimes I don’t agree with some of his selections/substitions etc
However - I think that some of you whilst you may well join in a chorus or two of " If you know ya History" clearly know very little about our history or perhaps to put it kinder(not that some of you deserve it) you have very little appreciation of our history.
Think back to March 2002 - the top 6 seemed a long way from our ambitions then. I think it quite fair to think that if you told most Evertonians back in March 2002 where we would be 6 years later they would have been quite pleased and satisfied.
Having been an Evertonian since 1964, I well remember our glory days in the mid - late 1960’s as well as the 1980’s. Yes I want to see Everton back up there challenging for titles and cups etc.
However what some of you are failing miserably to realise is the extent to which the game in this country has changed in the last 15 or so years. The fans in Scotland have had 50 or so years to get used to the idea of the title being between a "closed" number of clubs - i.e. Celtic and Rangers. Well in England a similar situation exists - the only difference being that there are 4 clubs involved not 2 - the 4 being of course : Arsenal,Chelsea,L’pool and Man Utd.
These 4 clubs have a massive advantage over the rest of the Premier League - i.e. MONEY.They have lots of it, and far more than the rest of the clubs.I looked at teletext last week and it was given in one report that Chelsea would have a transfer budget this summer of £100M.
There are 2 ways to break this monopoly of the "big 4 or the mega rich 4"
1) Hope that a sugar daddy turns up with the odd 70- 100million to spend on the team.
2)Sign good players( mainly young players) and develop and nurture our own talent.
It’s clear that we have gone for the latter - although it would be nice if there was more dosh, personally I wonder if some of these guys like Abramovich,Thaksin etc are going to be around in the long term - I think that this (second approach) is sound and sensible management( let’s not forget what happened to Leeds United!) .There is however one disadvantage - i.e. it requires PATIENCE - that’s something that clearly some of you are lacking. Quick fix solutions aren’t always the answer - you only need look to Elland Road to see that.
Let’s get behind our team,manager etc - instead of doing the usual football fan in the early 21st century thing i.e. as Freddie and the guys would put it "I want it all and I want it now". Success easily gained can be easily lost. We are buliding for the future and in my opionion we have made brilliant progress in the last 6 years. There’s a long way to go yet - but let’s not forget how far we have come in those 6 years.
I agree with the article anyway. If Moyes was to take charge of west ham or some one like that next season I would not expect them to become a better side at all.
You are so appalled by cirticism of David Moyes, that you actually agreed with it and repeated it..
go figure!
I lived throught he glorious 80’s and then have had to witness and endure the decline of my beloved blues into a 3rd rate team and yes I do mean 3rd rate.
Not only did our league positioning and performance in other competitions become sub-standard the way we played our football was even worse. Year on year I entered pre-season with renewed optimism and hope but it always turned out to be the same old story.
For me I am seeing things change. How many of us at the start of the season would have taken the season we have had? I know I would have. Yes I am feeling down at the minute because of our mini-slump at present, and thinking what could have been if we could have found that extra goal against Fiorentina, but if I step back and look at where we were 5/6 years ago I have to be happy.
Yes our football is still not where it should be but I have seen glimses of superb football (Leon Osman’s goal Versus Larissa springs to mind) that I have not seen for sometime and it gives me reason to hope for more.
David Moyes has been key in the improvement we are all seeing. Yes I would like to see us beating the ’big 3’ but unfortunately we have to face the fact that they are better than us. They are top European team as evidenced by their performance in Europe. They no longer field weakened sides against us but in fact field their first teams which is testament to the progress we have made.
I think David Moyes is steadily building a side. Obviously it is not fast enough for some of you but to improve on 5th will take a massive undertaking and won’t be done overnight. Even with significant finance coming in don’t fool yourselved that is the answer - just look at Spurs who consistently spend big and continually under-achieve.
For me David Moyes is the man to take the club forward and we need to continue to move forward. He has steadied the ship and has established us as a top 6 side. He has raised the bar of expectation and for me we seriously need to be close to winning a trophy next year and also challenging the ’top 3’ again.
Why can't Davey motivate his players for one last push? It is so important that we get into europe... can you imagine the posts on here if we don't get in and then we find out there is hardly any money for players? There's gonna be trouble...
there shouldnt be any circumstances.. BK should just sort out the cash
1. Not enough cash for top players
2.Not enough cash for top players
3. Not enough cash for top players
4.Not enough cash for top players
5.Not enough cash for top players
Top players = prizes, end of.
We know davey can work on a budget, but wouldnt it be good to see if he can produce the goods with a big wad of cash?
Why are the players exempt from blame here. Are they coached to pass to the opposition? Are they told to play like pillocks? Why should players need motivating? If you?ve ever played the game, what motivated you?
Who motivated Billy Bremner, Alan Ball, Colin Bell, Paul Bracewell, Johann Cruyff, FFS?
Would any of these obey instructions to play badly? Would none of these have had a career if they played under Moyes?
Jeff magee the other clubs you mention doent have davey..are you saying that if BK give him a wad he may lash on anyone.. if so Moyes out.
In Moyes we trust..with or without cash
Only thing is we have only seen him operate with small amounts..GIVE HIM A WAD
1. No team without leaders ever won anything.
2. I don’t believe Moyes sends out the team to play badly.
3. When things are going wrong on the pitch, REAL leaders take control and get it sorted
3. I believe most players DO try their best (whatever level that may be is up for discussion)
4. Is the crux of the problem with some players, as an ex-pro asked. ’how do you motivate millionaires?’
Those who insist that all is not well in the state of EFC meanwhile will not hear of there being even the nthmost iota of a possibility that they have got it wrong. A somewhat arrogant bunch methinks. The type who if they met Jesus Christ himself would be demanding evidence that he had anything special before grudgingly admitting to having any faith in him.
Moyes has done a fantastic job on limited resources and is slowly building a team that is gradually attempting more expansive football.
He is a highly coveted manager (teams like City, Spurs and Newcastle would love to have him) not least for his nouse at finding gems (Lescott, Cahill, Jagielka) for relatively little money but also he has great motivational skills and has a nack of nuturning young talent.
Who exactly do you think could do a better job? Bilic? Behave.
You dont get it..
Moyes has moved us into the top 6 on limited resources and thats great, but we all know he cannot move us into the top 4 with limited resources agreed? so weher do we go from here??
I?m certainly not convinced of that suggestion.
Demand investment!?!? If nobody wants to invest half a billion quid (what is needed for a real world class stadium plus players) in Everton how is Moyes "demanding" it going to make a difference? Should he call up Mark Cuban or Bill Gates and say "if you don’t invest in this football ... no no not NFL ... you know soccer ... anyway ... invest in this soccer team you’ve never heard of or I will stop being their manager."
Or is this related to the X-Files idea that Kenwright is constantly turning away billionaires who want to pour hundreds of millions of quid into this team for no apparent reason but BK won’t allow it?
Robbie Muldoon: [[ I hate these long replies in the comments section. KEEP IT SHORT AND CONCISE!]]
Yes everyone please remember this is robbiemuldoon.com and we should always do what Robbie wants.
Jeff Magee: [[ Could all the people who think Moyes is shite please list the managers who they feel would have done a better job in the circumstances? - I think this list will be a very be interesting read (if a little short). ]]
Yeah I’d love to see this. Obviously you can’t put any Prem manager on the list (obviously the list can’t include the likes of Wenger whom we’d have no chance of signing) because no other non-top 4 manager has done better. So c’mon ... let’s see the list of managers who would have done better than Moyes with the same resources?
So now he's done that, he's saying he needs anouther few years to break into the top 4 regulary and be back where we belong! And yet some fans write this sort of shite about him!!! If Man U fans had of got their way all them years ago then Alex Ferguson would've been sacked and they wouldn't've had half the success they've had with him. It's a bit more difficult now than back then cos it wasn't all just about how much money you had.
Now not only do we need the right players (and we are almost there by the way, a few additions and replacements needed...) but we also need more cash and that won't come straight away. A trophy next season would be good to keep the doubters at bay but even if not, we?ve got the best man for the job and driving him out would be the biggest mistake we could make.
A thoughtful piece in the paper a few weeks ago (I think I read through a link off this site) commented that there is an argument for him being seen as the best ?pound for pound? manager in the Premier League, given the resources he has had at his disposal and the (relative) success he has achieved on the pitch.
Every organisation, and football clubs are no different, needs a strategy upon which they operate and Everton?s has obviously been to invest in young players and rely on Moyes?s and his coaching staffs knack of buying cheap talent and bringing them on. In this respect, Everton as a football team are greater then the sum of their parts, which is a testament to Moyes.
Football fans are emotional by nature and several of the posts really are coming off another planet - we all want our team to do well but this just isn?t enough. In 2008 football is all about money, TV and celebrity and I love the fact that Everton are bucking the trend with a team of hard-working pro?s who go about their business and pending a result against Villa will finish 5th (or 1st in the 2nd tier of the division).
They said that the team of ?85 had ?no stars? and I think it?s this tradition which Moyes is trying to replicate. We need to get behind the team and manager, buy a few quality players in the summer and kick on again next season.
Maybe, we don?t play attractive football. Perhaps we are defensive minded but 61 points says it all to me. I?m glad it isn?t 41 points and us sweating to say afloat and Beattie eating us for lunch next year. This is the best we?ve seen in umpteen years.
Truth is, I don't reckon anyone on this site has looked hard enough at a potential manager in the UK never mind eastern europe.
If you think anyone could have done better than Moyes has you are a MUG! Lots of managers have had a bit of success, Aldridge (TRFC), Pardew (Hammers, reading), Keegan (Fulham), Houllier (Lyon) list could go on. It don't mean they could do it again AND it don't mean they could do it at Everton.
He has made HUGE strides, I watched John Ebrell and Paul Holmes enough to know how good it has gotten. Who is to say it won't keep improving. Yes more money is the instant fix, but we ain't got it, it ain't coming soon and might never come, so what do we do? Fire Moyes, get someone good in like...........? Erm erm,,,,, erm fuck it I haven't got a clue who could fill his shoes, who could buy people like lescott, the Yak, Arteta & Cahill. If you do then:
1) you are lying
or 2) You can predict the future and you should play the euro millions on a rollover week and come in with a bid for the club!!!
Who is this kid?!?
Who can do a better job then he is doing???
Remember when he took over we were a relegation side and just staying up was a "good" season, now we expect nothing short of qualifying for Europe!
I think it's a job well done by Moyes who has worked without having the financial backing all of the other teams in the top 10.
If it takes another 6 years to break into the top 4 then so be it, Moyes has built the foundations steering us to a top 6 team and bringing in young talented players whose value will only grow.
So I say back off have faith and in 6 years time we?ll be playing the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Milan every season.
I would bet my season ticket there a few people out there who actually are, ever so slightly, pleased when we lose just because they in some twisted way think this ’backs up’ their endless negativity...
If we have a bad run out come the moaners and it’s time for them to slag off the team/individual players/manager/kenwright/board etc. Try and wake up some of you to the reality that at the moment the Premier League title is a closed shop of Arsenal,Chelsea,Man Utd & L’pool.
We are making progress, perhaps not as fast as some would like - but we are in better shape now in 2008 than back in March 2002 when Moyes took over as manager. And whilst I am sure the thought of a sugar daddy arriving on the scene with wads of cash to spend on new players is appealing - it’s not always the answer. Do you think the likes of Abramovich,Thaksin, the Americans at Old Trafford and at Anfield are the sort of people who have their heart 100% in the club ?
Dave - when Moyes is talking about 5 or 6 years I don’t think he is making excuses - I think that he is merely being realistic.I would rather the manager was realistic than have someone in charge who makes wild promises.Over the last 6 years Moyes has been realistic and dare I say honest. I think that he is totally commited to Everton and acheiving success for Everton.
Finally to the Moyes out brigade - clubs that change their manager on a regular basis are usually ones that are not sucessfull. And to those of you who suggested Alardyce -What that fine pioneer of beautiful attacking football!! Behave !! And Bilic - what a great sucess he was as an Everton player !! Get a grip some of you.
If the board aren’t capable then how is a new manager going to make any difference?
Honestly, all BS aside, do you think there is a manager out there (whom we could realistically sign) who would have done better than Moyes with the same resources? That would mean finishing third one year after only spending what we’ve spent. It’d be a bloody miracle to be frank.
I don’t know what you do for a living mate, but supposing your doing the best job you can possibly do with what’s at your disposal, would you think that you should get the sack? I’d have thought not.
By any reasoned reading, Moyes’ record at the club is an excellent one. As for the style of play, I agree that its been poor for most of the time [with signs of progress this season], but we haven’t played decent stuff for a prolonged period since Harvey was in charge. 20 years of utter shite [save bits and pieces under Big Joe]. Nil Statis Nisi Optimum? we haven’t had anywhere near ’the best’ for a full generation, but you suddenly expect it now, even though there has been relitively little investment in the team. Why?
I’m not averse to changing manager if it is in the best interests of the club, but it simply isn’t. I bet there’s a whole queue of top managers and coaches lining up to spend 15 million quid a season.
You’re like the Arse fans shouting that Wenger should be sacked. Utter nonsense. Fact is that Moyes can’t do any more than he is doing, apart from improve the style of play [which I believe has started], until some major investment arrives. Don’t hold your breath.
Answer me one thing: What do you think, realistically, is the highest place we can finish in the league, given what’s happened over the last twenty years, and the amount of recent investment in the team? If your answer is fifth, challenging fourth, as mine would be, then think before you write your next article.
1. Iam happy to carry on moving forward inch by inch
1. I need more at my disposal so people can see what i can really do
Moyes should not settle for the small amounts at his disposal he should demand more or walk
I can?t say that say that I am a huge fan of David Moyes, but still I feel that this comment is a bit harsh. Most of the things said above are true but not to such an extent. The truth is that we do not have a deep enough squad to mount a serious Champions? League place challange. Our sudden loss of form is due to the sheer fact that Tim Cahill is again out injured! And Tim Cahill is the most important type of player in Moyes?s tactical scheme. If Tim Cahill was in full shape we would have still had a chance to get the 4th place finish.
What I cannot understand is why we have 4 equally good Strikers - Yak, AJ, Vaughan and Victor - and at the same time we do not have a replacement for the only aggressive attacking midfielder (and goal scoring for that matter) - Cahill.
And, since Tim has been known for his injury proneness, I would just raise the following question: If Moyes?s gameplan requires such a type of player for that position then why we do not have anyone else capable of filling Tim?s spot? We have tried AJ, or Leon etc. but the results have not been good. When Tim is injured, Everton struggle. And I think that this is a problem which, if resolved, can improve our chances of reaching the top 4 not in five or six years but next year.
I really dislike the lack of ambition shown in Moyes?s recent comments. If we are 5th this season then next season we should have higher goals. It may not work but in order to be big you should think of yourself as such!
If you bothered to study the plans you will know it will be a boxy square shape, like a traditional football stadium, without the luxury of a curved roof, thus making it a DOME!! A dome is way outside of our budget!
Now the 'KIRKBY ARENA' is more inline with its design. But I'd prefer something like 'The Dixie Dean Arena' or 'New Goodison Park'.
I just thought I'd get that off my chest.
I for one will not be renewing my season ticket next season I have seen enough drab football this season. Something drastic needs to happen between now and the start of the new season to give Everton a chance of ending up in the top half.
?Something drastic needs to happen between now and the start of the new season to give Everton a chance of ending up in the top half.?
Just wondering, after finishing sixth in 2006-07, and hopefully fifth in 2007-08, how you can justify a comment like that? Can you?
I don?t know how long you?ve had your season ticket Chris, but you must have had worse seasons than this if you?ve had it for longer than two, so I?m suprised you?ve been pushed over the edge at this point.
Chris have you only just bought a season ticket last year then? because if you haven’t and didn’t falter in the mid 90’s to the early 00’s then I have no way of speaking to you, as it seems you feel that the good old days of relegation battles and non scoring better to watch than now and therefore are obbviously a nutter,
I?m no Moyes fan, but I don?t find myself detesting him either, and I hate myself for it. I realise we could be doing a lot worse, but I am staggered at how Evertonian minds have turned. No longer do we seek trophies, we just don?t wanna get relegated. Sorry fellas, that aint what I was born with. I'm one of those redundant fans who believes in our motto.
Moyes has clearly taken us as far as he can. He struggles. Fulham, Birmingham just to name recent ones, but don't forget our worst league finish since the 18?somets under him too, where we finished with less than 40 points, the 7-0 to the Arse, 5-1 in Romania - I can name more negatives than any pro-Moyesies can name positives. Anyone wanna discuss Krøldrup? He is not a magician. He?s just unfortunately the best we could and can possibly get given Kenwright's tenure at the helm.
We will never win anything under Kenwright. I?d love to be proved wrong. We won't finish 5th this season either, so hopefully then, the season re Moyes can be judged fairly. Nil return for, what, how much do we pay week on week? Maybe its the modern game, maybe it?s life now, but maybe we should question it and not settle for the crumbs from the Sky 4 table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ9PisKp7GE&feature=related
That was what DM presented to BK at his job interview...that was the lengh of time that DM believed it would take to remove the aging cash cows in the squad and replace them with young, hungry players... and in doing so change the team from perennial relegation fodder into (the original plan) a consistent top 10 side..
Clearly he has exceeded the remit that he gave in this plan and has now turned perennial relegation strugglers into expected European contenders..
THE 6-YEAR PLAN:
This is stage two... having moved Everton forward... and made them an attractive proposition to better players DM is now targetting a breakthru into the top 4... which basically means 1 place up..
He manages our expectations by simply giving us the cold hard facts: bar a sugar daddy giving him £100 mill to spend in one season, we will still be behind the "BIG 4" in spending power... so it will take us perhaps 6 years to achieve the same level that they have managed in 1.
Needless to say, cash is not the be all and end all.. NUFC, Pompey, Spurs, Leeds, Man City can all bear witness to that..
How anybody can call our highest ever premiership points total anything but PROGRESS... I dont know... our best European run in 22 years?...another gem signed in Pienaar...
I don't think Moyes is perfect... and if I'm honest it would be great to watch us play like Arsenal or Man Utd every week...
But with our current level of investment he has gone way above and beyond what was expected of him, to the point that some seem to think we should some how magically be able to find another 10 or 15 points plus the odd trophy just because we are Everton... Garbage!
I think the one comment that sums up the no-brainers comes from Arthur Wenlock
when he says.."BK should just sort out the cash " ...brilliant.. because in the minds of the Arthur Wenlock's of this world... it really is that simple to sort out all our problems.
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