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Why did he not sub Fellaini???
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We all know Moyes doesn't like using subs and can be frustrating. But my question is, you're 2-0 up, Hull aren't in it, and if Screech gets a card he'll miss both Liverpool games. So why oh why not take him off at half time???
Craig Munden, Posted 10/01/2009 at 13:56:46
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The more I think about this the more it annoys me..... This is the worse decision Moyes had made....
What a complete fool.....
Hopefully a draw in the league... and then our chance of silverware will most likely be over....
Awful piece of management...
What a complete fool.....
Hopefully a draw in the league... and then our chance of silverware will most likely be over....
Awful piece of management...
David Moyes is undoubtably a good manager, but WHY OH WHY does he have to frustrate the fuck out of us with decisions like not taking Fellaini off today? He?s still on the pitch now isn?t he, surely worse if he got a 2nd yellow (=red) now as well???
Fellaini would definitly have been booked in the first derby so he?d have missed the cup match anyway...but let?s not let the facts get in the way of a good Moyes bashing..win lose or draw it?s what we Evertonians do.
Re Maro: he was always going to get booked against the Shite. Meaning he would have missed the Arsenal match. I don?t think that Arsene?s pink-booted, warm-weather loving softies will fancy facing Fellaini at a raucous GP in the dead of winter. Shit, we beat a better Arse a few years ago with Beattie in the lineup!
Come on Stoke.
Come on Stoke.
Stig was a good win today but Everton should be beating the likes of Hull.
Moyes made another clanger today one of many! Losers like Moyes hold this club back. I hope he gets his first win at anfield in 7 years in the next two games or my point of him being a loser becomes more valid he hast excatly improved his chances has he?
Moyes made another clanger today one of many! Losers like Moyes hold this club back. I hope he gets his first win at anfield in 7 years in the next two games or my point of him being a loser becomes more valid he hast excatly improved his chances has he?
Jay, Stig, your missing the point. It was a good result today, and we looked like we didn?t even need to get out of 2nd gear. Thats why it was all the more baffling why Moyes didn?t leave Fellaini out of the 2nd half. That he came back out was bad judgement by Moyes. I bet you 99.9% of prem managers, with 2 important games coming up, would have left him out. It?s not Moyes bashing, but come on, you can?t tell me that you don?t think it was a poor decision by Moyes?
Well done blue boys. agreed with Jay, Fellaini would have been book within the first 10 mins and Gerrad would be going after the refree everytime he touches the red shite and wont stop until Fellaini gets a red!!
Cant wait for the derby...ae we there yet?
Cant wait for the derby...ae we there yet?
Jay: if Fellani gets booked he is ok for the cup match and the ban will start for the Arsenal game. Not sure why. Anyway, we are moaning but I am truly gutted. The next 2 games will make or break us and we have shot ourselves in the foot again. We have just given the shite a boost and for what? 45 mins against a team that never had a fucking shot all game!
Correct me if I?m wrong, Jay, since you obviously know so much more than any of us, but if Fellaini had been saved for the first Liverpool game, and then got his inevitable booking, he would still have been able to play in the cup game because his suspension would not start for 7 days...
How dare Moyes pick the best team and win a game!! How dare he leave on a player for 45 mins as we are historically awesome at keeping a 2 goal lead. We should sack him and replace him with Gareth Southgate.
Right?
Right?
I will say it again - I am great believer in Moyes but today he has made one of the worst tactical decisions in his managerial career; 2-0 up front, firmly in control and we have Vic, Gosling, Castillo on the bench - I really have no explanation at all, even the introduction of Rodwell in the 90 min, let him for 10 min in a game that is already over, really I am baffled and in loss of words
No Frank that Phil Brown is the next big thing his Hull Team are ace.
Well played, good result. I think Fellaini had he not been booked would only have played one of the Liverpool games and then missed other crucial games. We learnt on these pages that Fellaini had told a fan that he was determined to win the Liverpool games for us, I think Moyes won;t mind him being booked as it will make him learn his own lessons about his own style of football. It looks likely that Cahill will lead the line against Liverpool so we will have five again in midfield, were Gosling or Castillo will easily slot in. COTB
You can't keep protecting him by taking him off ? sooner or later he was going to be booked in the forthcoming games. You either loose him for Liverpool games or Liverpool & Arsenal or Arsenal & United, all crucial games. The lad has to learn, he is obviously getting booked for clumsy challenges, today you could argue the Hull lad?s head was ducked down when Fellaini challenged.
What you can't argue is that he is being noticed and he is being targetted and he has to learn. His record at Standard Leige and Everton speaks for itself.
What you can't argue is that he is being noticed and he is being targetted and he has to learn. His record at Standard Leige and Everton speaks for itself.
Erm, are you guys actually vilifying Moyes because we?ve been deprived of the services of a vital player, who?s potential he identified, who he spent just about his entire summer transfer budget on (to massed cries of ?Who???? and "What the...?") ? who, more importantly, none of us would even have considered signing? Weird.
Booo.. Moyes.. Here we go again... Well Felli out is a big thing, but then we still have to play Liverpool.. Relax.. . And yes Mr. Kenrick, Arteta was lucky, so was Felli (he was offside).. And so is Mr. (dumb as a dodo) Moyes, who cant understand a thing about football..
If only some of the contributors were the manager, we would play with flair (wait, we defeated 8th place Hull 2-0 without really knocking it on), defend better (wait, we have 6 straight clean sheets), not play the blindingly aweful Anichebe (wait, he just did play Cahill instead of Anichebe).. Hmmm so now find a new thing to moan.. Oh he should have pulled out Felliani - yes maybe, that cunt should go back to Crewe (or was it PNE)!!! 4 wins in 5.. Oh but that is against teams we have to be beating...
Will the team ever get credit?? And BTW Mr. Kenrick, how many free kicks curl around the wall and settle in the goal from 30 yards.. Daft!!!
If only some of the contributors were the manager, we would play with flair (wait, we defeated 8th place Hull 2-0 without really knocking it on), defend better (wait, we have 6 straight clean sheets), not play the blindingly aweful Anichebe (wait, he just did play Cahill instead of Anichebe).. Hmmm so now find a new thing to moan.. Oh he should have pulled out Felliani - yes maybe, that cunt should go back to Crewe (or was it PNE)!!! 4 wins in 5.. Oh but that is against teams we have to be beating...
Will the team ever get credit?? And BTW Mr. Kenrick, how many free kicks curl around the wall and settle in the goal from 30 yards.. Daft!!!
Good result for the lads today. Why all the negativity? We won. I would rather have Fellaini score the goal today than get sent off against the red shite the next game. We will go to a 4-5-1, we can't just sit and defend, we have to attack. Although I don't like admitting this, the RS are a good team and, as it has been said in so many threads on here before, Cahill and Fellaini cant play in the 4-5-1 formation because they are too similar type of players.
I would rather have Big Vic up front so least there is someone too aim at and as a few threads before say ?complete fool? ?awful peice of managment? ?Davie Moyes's fault, what a prick? ? how can you say that with the injuries we have you should be getting behind the manager 100%. We win, you moan; we lose, you moan ? what do you want him to do???
The Derbies, although important, are a lottery. Having heard how Arsenal stuggled today and Man U are out of sorts, maybe better to have Felliani for those games, we have got to be due a win against the so-called Sky 4.
Right lads, it’s not Moyes bashing, so can anyone genuinely come on here and, say that it wasn’t a bad decision to leave Fellaini on?
Yes Fellaini could have been subbed... but for how long? He has to learn to be cut those fouls. As John mentioned, he would have missed some 2 games.
And no, for me the next 2 are not the most important games. We have to look at games like Arsenal, Villa or dare I say Chelsea (on their recent form) as far more important...
Brian, he gets paid £50k a week to play... not be subbed and we have 3 Big -4 games this month... (FA Cup is important but CL positions come from the Premier League). So he would have been booked at some point or the other. Having Liverpool twice does not make it the game to sacrifice a season.
It was a calculated gamble by Moyes which backfired. As a previous post said he will have probably taken him off after 60 mins if the gmae was won. You can’t totally blame Moyes though - his primary concern always has to be the current game. He has paid the price in the past (Oldham anyone?) for resting players with future matches in mind. Some responsibility also must lie with Fellaini, 10 yellows in 18 is shocking.
A new striker must be a priority for Moyes this week now.
A new striker must be a priority for Moyes this week now.
Anyone care to think that he may not have even been considered for the derby or can easily replaced within the system? Maybe the derby would be too quick for him? Either way, I don?t think it damages us.
Well done Moyes, Villa won earlier so this was a pressure match... they?re the ones to beat for 4th.
Well done Moyes, Villa won earlier so this was a pressure match... they?re the ones to beat for 4th.
Thank you Mike Oates, Varun Rajwade and Aiden Doyle. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Mr. Moyes has obviously done his sums and considered that it would be better to not have Fellaini for Liverpool1/Liverpool2 instead of Liverpool2/Arsenal or Arsenal/Manure.
In fact, the almost inevitable card in either of the Liverpool games could well be red instead of yellow, meaning even more misery for us.
Mr. Moyes has obviously done his sums and considered that it would be better to not have Fellaini for Liverpool1/Liverpool2 instead of Liverpool2/Arsenal or Arsenal/Manure.
In fact, the almost inevitable card in either of the Liverpool games could well be red instead of yellow, meaning even more misery for us.
Varun Rajwade
The derby is far more important, you have just waffled load of poo, not only local pride but our only chance of winning a trophy this season is our next two games and the chances of succeding has been dented by bad management.
The derby is far more important, you have just waffled load of poo, not only local pride but our only chance of winning a trophy this season is our next two games and the chances of succeding has been dented by bad management.
If Fellaini was booked in the first derby game, he would of made the second game with 7 full days needed before his ban would start.
I will say it again and I will say it before, I am amazed how this man gets away with it. I will look forward to us playing for a draw in both derby games. It is 10 years since our last win there ? 70% of this moyes is accountable for... shocking.
Fair play to Moyes for appreciating that Cahill is a better forward than Anichebe. A few years ago Moyes Pioneered 4-5-1 and now he is making a superb job of 4-6-0.
Fellaini’s booking was so predictable though.
Who to replace him in the Liverpool matches? Gosling, Rodwell or Castillo?Not ideal.
Fellaini’s booking was so predictable though.
Who to replace him in the Liverpool matches? Gosling, Rodwell or Castillo?Not ideal.
"Why did he not sub Fellaini???"
Simple: Moyes is a wanker.
Simple: Moyes is a wanker.
No David, the derby is *not* far more important. We have big games against our nearest rivals (Arsenal/Man Utd) to worry about more.
Points in the Premier League are important. Who we play is largely irrelevant; I enjoy a win over Liverpool more of course, but I?d rather lose to Liverpool in the derby and take 3 points from the random next team, than draw both games and be 1 point down. Everton FC will progress in the bigger picture only by regular European qualification; not from beating a local team.
As it happens, and you allude to, I?d be happy with a draw in the league, and a draw in the cup (which makes it 50:50 to who progresses).
We should be solely focused on finishing in 6th place and getting that Uefa Cup spot, which 10 games ago looked absolutely laughable. It would make us the most consistent challenger for top 4 in the last few years. And will keep some of our top players happy to play for the blue shirt, and allow us to progress, slowly but surely...
Points in the Premier League are important. Who we play is largely irrelevant; I enjoy a win over Liverpool more of course, but I?d rather lose to Liverpool in the derby and take 3 points from the random next team, than draw both games and be 1 point down. Everton FC will progress in the bigger picture only by regular European qualification; not from beating a local team.
As it happens, and you allude to, I?d be happy with a draw in the league, and a draw in the cup (which makes it 50:50 to who progresses).
We should be solely focused on finishing in 6th place and getting that Uefa Cup spot, which 10 games ago looked absolutely laughable. It would make us the most consistent challenger for top 4 in the last few years. And will keep some of our top players happy to play for the blue shirt, and allow us to progress, slowly but surely...
Well Jeremy, I?ve heard it all now "But I?d rather lose to Liverpool in the derby, and take 3pts from the random next team"... I?m for the first time ever, stuck for words!
Bloody hell, people like yourselves make me annoyed to be a fellow Evertonian. We win AGAIN, keep a clean sheet AGAIN, 7 points ahead of 7th NOW! And yes he got booked but its all his fault ? not Moyes's.... we win again and all people can do if have a go at David Moyes! For Christ's sake get behind the team and support the quite brilliant job that Moyes has done and is doing! COYB FTRS!
Jonathan, it is not ideal... No doubt loosing one of the best players is never ideal, but that would not be ideal for the games against Man U or Arsenal either.
Liverpool is not our immediate rival, whether we like it or not, they are a far better team than us and out of reach in the league too. Arsenal is one of our rivals now...
Liverpool is not our immediate rival, whether we like it or not, they are a far better team than us and out of reach in the league too. Arsenal is one of our rivals now...
I don?t have any doubt whatsoever that whatever eleven take the field against cry-babies ?r? us will play out of their skins. If we lose, we lose. We?ll make a proud showing of ourselves and leave the pitch with heads held high, no matter. I know for a fact every one of us will be with them every step of the way.
I?m not wrong about that one thing, but I might be about this: Phillip "shooooooot" Neville to bag the first goal ;) I?m putting £25 on it this afternoon!
I?m not wrong about that one thing, but I might be about this: Phillip "shooooooot" Neville to bag the first goal ;) I?m putting £25 on it this afternoon!
He played his best team, won the game, and got a clean sheet. Get a grip, he would have been called a twat if he had left Felli out and we would have lost. Kenrick, it would be nice for you and your cronies to say something positve for once. You wanted results, you wanted a tighter defence, you wanted us to be in with a shout for Europe and you wanted attractive football.........you got all that so get real. Cue Neville and Hibbert were shit and Osman is too lightweight posts...
Some shocking views on here. A match is never won at half time at 2-0 and that is why he needed to stay on. I thought the song said gobshites supported liverpool but from the admin through to some fans on here stating that ?Moyes is a loser? it seems that we have a fair few of our own.
Jeremy - "I?d rather lose to Liverpool in the Derby".
It?s statements like that from Everton supporters that drive me up the wall.
I think it?s safe to say you?re not a true blue, pal, no blue in my eyes would ever, even dream, of making a pathetic statement like that. Ever.
Bow your head in shame, Jeremy.
It?s statements like that from Everton supporters that drive me up the wall.
I think it?s safe to say you?re not a true blue, pal, no blue in my eyes would ever, even dream, of making a pathetic statement like that. Ever.
Bow your head in shame, Jeremy.
And Al, whats worse is Hibbert is shit and should be sold to Bury FC (wait he is so bad, they will not buy him, so a Bosman). But he is part of a defence with 6 clean sheets on the trot... 6 is a lot of games... But he is just lucky I guess..
Osman is shit the next game he scores a beautiful goal to win us the FA match (which since it is the FA Cup, is our only chance of silverware and hence is as important as the Anfield derby - II)..
The booing is simply mind-boggling at times..
Osman is shit the next game he scores a beautiful goal to win us the FA match (which since it is the FA Cup, is our only chance of silverware and hence is as important as the Anfield derby - II)..
The booing is simply mind-boggling at times..
@ Brian, Phil, Al: ditto.
Half-time at the Britannia. Stoke should be leading.
Half-time at the Britannia. Stoke should be leading.
Better to lose a player through suspension than a jail sentance :)
Al, yes it was great we won again, another clean sheet, still challenging for a place in Europe. I?m well happy. No-one is having a go at Moyes for the performance. We are strolling 2-0 at half time, Hull never got a sniff. We have two very important games coming up, a league game and a game to keep us in with a chance of some silverware; one of your better performing players over the last few games, is walking a tightrope, and could have easily been booked in the first half, but Moyes still sends him out. It just doesn?t make sense, and because of that we have lost a player who has been performing well lately, and is a goal threat. I admire some of you lads for defending him, but surely you can see it was a fuck-up?
Again the paradox that is Moyes. Clearly at his best when he is forced into having to make the most of what he has. And clearly at his worst when having to make a positive decision of his own back.
He has pointed out himself his desire to win some silverware. With the FA cup offering the only route in that regard, and his regard for Fellaini, it is utterly bizarre to play him today. The idea that we couldn’t do without him against Hull is bollocks.
Moyes has to be applauded for turning the season around after such a shote start (best not to dwell on that). But he has shown yet again that he can’t make the big decisions. He excels when placed in an awkward spot & having little choice.
He has pointed out himself his desire to win some silverware. With the FA cup offering the only route in that regard, and his regard for Fellaini, it is utterly bizarre to play him today. The idea that we couldn’t do without him against Hull is bollocks.
Moyes has to be applauded for turning the season around after such a shote start (best not to dwell on that). But he has shown yet again that he can’t make the big decisions. He excels when placed in an awkward spot & having little choice.
Apologies if this has already been said on this thread, there’s too many comments to check, but in my opinion Moyes left Fellaini on because he wanted to guarantee the three points today, and doesn’t believe that Fellaini playing against "the other lot" will alter the outcome against them. So depending on whether your lgass is half full or half empty it’s a case of Moyes tihkning we can beat them without Fellaini, OR, they’ll beat us with or without him anyway....Think it through before you viciously attack me for what, after all, is how I believe Moyes "may" have looked at it, not me!!!!
It was always likely that the Big Fella would get a booking today, but I don’t blame Moyes for keeping him on the park. Fellaini has to adapt to the PL and sitting out the 2 games at the other place should get the message home to him. I do think that he has been singled out by Refs which is wrong, but he has to learn.
Funnilly enough I don’t believe he would have had a positive impact in the next 2 games due to his languid style and awkward tackling. Maybe its a blessing in disguise. I do hope that DM leaves the defence the way it is subject to fitness, because they look like a good unit at the moment. Well let’s hope that lady luck is kind to us in the forthcoming fixtures. COYB.
Funnilly enough I don’t believe he would have had a positive impact in the next 2 games due to his languid style and awkward tackling. Maybe its a blessing in disguise. I do hope that DM leaves the defence the way it is subject to fitness, because they look like a good unit at the moment. Well let’s hope that lady luck is kind to us in the forthcoming fixtures. COYB.
Nick "Better to lose a player through suspension than a jail sentance :)"
That had me in stitches! I will be reeling that one out of the bag come derby day, when I will be the sole blue amongst a pack a reds
Anyone else got a one liner I can make a mental note of?
(PS I would like to think the footy will do the talking.. but just in case like)
That had me in stitches! I will be reeling that one out of the bag come derby day, when I will be the sole blue amongst a pack a reds
Anyone else got a one liner I can make a mental note of?
(PS I would like to think the footy will do the talking.. but just in case like)
@Declan Brown -- I agree 100% with Jeremy. I would prefer to finish above arsenal in 4th or 5th position than to finish 6th having beaten Liverpool.
The most important thing for us as a club is to finish as high up the league as possible thus generating greater prestige and more revenue. I doubt anyone around the world will see our final league position then say "Oh but they beat Liverpool".
I say the Arsenal game is a must win.
The most important thing for us as a club is to finish as high up the league as possible thus generating greater prestige and more revenue. I doubt anyone around the world will see our final league position then say "Oh but they beat Liverpool".
I say the Arsenal game is a must win.
Why is everybody overreacting?
It’s simply a case of "if-buts-and-maybes". I was sure that the majority of people on this board would not really have wanted to sub Fellaini at half time.
Fellaini is suspended we just have to deal with it. Why must a whole thread be created on WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED!!!
It’s simply a case of "if-buts-and-maybes". I was sure that the majority of people on this board would not really have wanted to sub Fellaini at half time.
Fellaini is suspended we just have to deal with it. Why must a whole thread be created on WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED!!!
Brian
in my eyes from watching on Dutch TV over here, it wasn’t an eff-up by any stretch. We all know a game isn’t won by 2 goals, so the decision to leave him on was justified in my book.
What I do disagree with is the offence itself. For a start, Martin Atkinson was a disgrace again, today, far too inconsistent and should be demoted.
Secondly, it was never a foul as Fellaini clearly got the ball. High foot or not, it was never worthy of a yellow.
My main gripe, though, lies with all those who in their eyes see no right with Moyes. I didn’t have this down as a certain win given it was 6th plays 7th, but Moyes set the team out to attack and the players did precisely that. We won, kept another clean sheet and the first thing people like Stephen Stuart can do is come on here and berate Moyes for a mistake made by our record signing and the referee. Whilst I wouldn’t go as far to call you gobshites like Andrew Emmett but I do sometimes question why you’re so negative.
in my eyes from watching on Dutch TV over here, it wasn’t an eff-up by any stretch. We all know a game isn’t won by 2 goals, so the decision to leave him on was justified in my book.
What I do disagree with is the offence itself. For a start, Martin Atkinson was a disgrace again, today, far too inconsistent and should be demoted.
Secondly, it was never a foul as Fellaini clearly got the ball. High foot or not, it was never worthy of a yellow.
My main gripe, though, lies with all those who in their eyes see no right with Moyes. I didn’t have this down as a certain win given it was 6th plays 7th, but Moyes set the team out to attack and the players did precisely that. We won, kept another clean sheet and the first thing people like Stephen Stuart can do is come on here and berate Moyes for a mistake made by our record signing and the referee. Whilst I wouldn’t go as far to call you gobshites like Andrew Emmett but I do sometimes question why you’re so negative.
I was just also about to add a point that Peter Roberts made.
Guys, when was a match ever won at 2-0? Even against Hull, you expect them to come out better in the 2nd half. He would have been subbed 10 minutes in I’m sure once the game settled down, but once again a shite referee gets in ours (And Hull’s) way!
Guys, when was a match ever won at 2-0? Even against Hull, you expect them to come out better in the 2nd half. He would have been subbed 10 minutes in I’m sure once the game settled down, but once again a shite referee gets in ours (And Hull’s) way!
Peter, Ric, I think the yellow card was more for persistant fouling. I think someone mentioned above that he was always getting yellow cards in Belgium for the same thing.
I’m gutted Fellaini is out against the RS. He’s my favourite player. But yoou know, three points v Hull is the same as against the RS. COYB!
He can start resting players when
we prove a two goal lead at Goodison is sufficient. Too many times this season it hasn’t been.
we prove a two goal lead at Goodison is sufficient. Too many times this season it hasn’t been.
@Declan Brown:
You got me fella; I’m obviously not a true blue.
Why don’t you just go a little further mate; and suggest I’m a RS?
Of course, I could then post saying that anyone who calls a fellow blue a "non-blue" or a "RS" isn’t actully a "true-blue" themselves....
You carry on living in your own little world. You know - the one where you are the most important, you’re the truest blue, only your view is correct, only you can define who supports everton, etc. You must be a bundle of fun to your nearest and dearest!
Wake up call fella - plenty of people around you who can support everton with brains of their own....
You got me fella; I’m obviously not a true blue.
Why don’t you just go a little further mate; and suggest I’m a RS?
Of course, I could then post saying that anyone who calls a fellow blue a "non-blue" or a "RS" isn’t actully a "true-blue" themselves....
You carry on living in your own little world. You know - the one where you are the most important, you’re the truest blue, only your view is correct, only you can define who supports everton, etc. You must be a bundle of fun to your nearest and dearest!
Wake up call fella - plenty of people around you who can support everton with brains of their own....
@Declan Brown:
You got me fella; I’m obviously not a true blue.
Why don’t you just go a little further mate; and suggest I’m a RS?
Of course, I could then post saying that anyone who calls a fellow blue a "non-blue" or a "RS" isn’t actully a "true-blue" themselves....
You carry on living in your own little world. You know - the one where you are the most important, you’re the truest blue, only your view is correct, only you can define who supports everton, etc. You must be a bundle of fun to your nearest and dearest!
Wake up call fella - plenty of people around you who can support everton with brains of their own....
You got me fella; I’m obviously not a true blue.
Why don’t you just go a little further mate; and suggest I’m a RS?
Of course, I could then post saying that anyone who calls a fellow blue a "non-blue" or a "RS" isn’t actully a "true-blue" themselves....
You carry on living in your own little world. You know - the one where you are the most important, you’re the truest blue, only your view is correct, only you can define who supports everton, etc. You must be a bundle of fun to your nearest and dearest!
Wake up call fella - plenty of people around you who can support everton with brains of their own....
Why all negativety? how someone can say ’Losers like Moyes hold this club back?’ is beyond me considering how he has changed us around. Losers who make comments like that hold this club back.
The fact is that the most important thing was to win the game, and as far as we know Moyes would have brought him off on 60 or 70mins when the second half had been assessed against a hull team who have pulled off some great away performances this season. And professional footballers should beable to avoid getting booked unneccesarily (albeit a contentious refering decision). I mean Fellaini has never got himself sent off has he? so he is able to control himself. And furthermore we have several other big games coming and it may be in the grand scheme of things, more important to have Fellaini available for a home game with arsenal(who look catchable) than away at pool.
This whole thread is quite simply a joke and a complete disproportionate reaction. If you want to concentrate on something, why not consider another great performance and another clean sheet and look with optimism ahead to the upcoming games than the defeatist attitude that many seem to be taking into the derbys.
The fact is that the most important thing was to win the game, and as far as we know Moyes would have brought him off on 60 or 70mins when the second half had been assessed against a hull team who have pulled off some great away performances this season. And professional footballers should beable to avoid getting booked unneccesarily (albeit a contentious refering decision). I mean Fellaini has never got himself sent off has he? so he is able to control himself. And furthermore we have several other big games coming and it may be in the grand scheme of things, more important to have Fellaini available for a home game with arsenal(who look catchable) than away at pool.
This whole thread is quite simply a joke and a complete disproportionate reaction. If you want to concentrate on something, why not consider another great performance and another clean sheet and look with optimism ahead to the upcoming games than the defeatist attitude that many seem to be taking into the derbys.
great win today, yes we’ve lost fellaini for the two games against the red shite, but we’re not a one man team like them!! we have a great team that work for each other and other players that can do the business against them!
Speaking of the derby any songs
one for Gerrard "Jail Jail Jail"
one for Gerrard "Jail Jail Jail"
@Brian Waring:
I think a lot of people wish you *were* stuck for words, Brian.
I think a lot of people wish you *were* stuck for words, Brian.
Oh dear! What a predictable thread, with the usual knee jerk reactionaries ready to have a pop at Moyes.
Isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing?
I just hope Moyes has more confidence in the blue boys than some people on this thread appear to have. The same people, I might add, who questioned both Moyes and slagged off Fellaini at the beginning of the season. Fickle? Two faced? hypocritical? Absolutely!
Isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing?
I just hope Moyes has more confidence in the blue boys than some people on this thread appear to have. The same people, I might add, who questioned both Moyes and slagged off Fellaini at the beginning of the season. Fickle? Two faced? hypocritical? Absolutely!
I too believe that Moyes was right to play Felliani and leave him on. For God’s sake we were 2-0 up against Newcastle and only drew 2-2. The first priority was to secure the 3 points. The moment we start making substitutions with the next game in mind is the day we lose focus on the game in hand.
Ans please stop Moyes bashing for the sake of it. If we’d dropped points today because Moyes had tinkered with the team at half time, there’d be justifiable reason to have a go at him.
We’re missing Felliaini for the two derby matches - it’s over now - we deal with it.
Ans please stop Moyes bashing for the sake of it. If we’d dropped points today because Moyes had tinkered with the team at half time, there’d be justifiable reason to have a go at him.
We’re missing Felliaini for the two derby matches - it’s over now - we deal with it.
Dave WIlson
Do you really have the same name as me or are you an imposter ? If its the former, nice to meet you, if its the latter, how desperately sad . . .
Anyway to set the record straight I wont be trying to defend the indefensible. The whole of Goodison wanted Fellaini off the minute Arteta’s free kick flew in, even the bird serving the pies at half time was calling for it.
I dont know if Fellaini’s booking will cost us, but Moyes is duty bound to ensure we have the strongest squad available for the forth coming matches, he didnt do that
Do you really have the same name as me or are you an imposter ? If its the former, nice to meet you, if its the latter, how desperately sad . . .
Anyway to set the record straight I wont be trying to defend the indefensible. The whole of Goodison wanted Fellaini off the minute Arteta’s free kick flew in, even the bird serving the pies at half time was calling for it.
I dont know if Fellaini’s booking will cost us, but Moyes is duty bound to ensure we have the strongest squad available for the forth coming matches, he didnt do that
I think Kiern Moran has a good point in that hopefully it will help Fellaini learn his lesson that he needs to try and cut out these silly fouls. I imagine the lad was desperate to face Liverpool and this will no doubt have a strong effect on him (hopefully it won’t be a negative impact!).
Time for Anichebe to stand up once and for all?
Time for Anichebe to stand up once and for all?
Jeremy... you are an imposter...
i would rather eat my dogs shite, than roll over for them murdering twats... shame on you.
i would rather eat my dogs shite, than roll over for them murdering twats... shame on you.
Timmy Mongiat ?Losers like Moyes"
I said that you calling me a loser? You do not even know me so how you can form an opinion on me i do not know but I find it most amusing, you must be a hybrid. It was Very hard and brave that insult, over the computer.
If you disagree with my opinion, why not argue with it or point out why it is wrong? Or is this beyond your intellectual abilities? What has Moyes ever won? And every big game he has managed for Everton he has lost and for anyone else he has managed for that matter, so the term loser more than aptly befits him! Prove me wrong!
I support Everton not Moyes
I said that you calling me a loser? You do not even know me so how you can form an opinion on me i do not know but I find it most amusing, you must be a hybrid. It was Very hard and brave that insult, over the computer.
If you disagree with my opinion, why not argue with it or point out why it is wrong? Or is this beyond your intellectual abilities? What has Moyes ever won? And every big game he has managed for Everton he has lost and for anyone else he has managed for that matter, so the term loser more than aptly befits him! Prove me wrong!
I support Everton not Moyes
@ Brett Bradshaw. Well, you can ask your pals next week if they think that when GBH recently stated that this was ’the best RedShite team he had played in’ was he including Lucas? And Skrtel?
Draw some stitches on Skrtel’s head and jam a bolt in his neck and you’ve got a lead actor for Mel Brooks.
Draw some stitches on Skrtel’s head and jam a bolt in his neck and you’ve got a lead actor for Mel Brooks.
"Two Dave Wilson’s, there’s only two Dave Wilson’s..."
The redshite couldn’t beat stoke so we should have nothing to worry about with or without Fellaini.
On another point I just new this thread was coming...what an over reaction...are we a one man team? Who’d have thought we’d have 13 points from 15 without any forwards? Glad to see there are some sane people out there standing up for Moyes and the team on this site.
On another point I just new this thread was coming...what an over reaction...are we a one man team? Who’d have thought we’d have 13 points from 15 without any forwards? Glad to see there are some sane people out there standing up for Moyes and the team on this site.
Apologies if this has already been pointed out, but the blame for the goal should NOT be put on the wall, but rather the goalkeeper.
To clarify: the keeper puts up a wall to protect one corner, in this instance his left. His job is then to have control of his right corner. If he chooses, like he did, to stand in the middle of the goal, he shouldn’t be putting up a wall at all.
The wall didn’t break (or if it did, I did not see it) - the ball just passed to its right, where the keeper was supposed to have been. He wasn’t. I’d say well spotted by Arteta, a good free kick, and Michael, even though you are rightly frustrated by Fellaini’s yellow (as I am), do not make rash comments about lucky goals and bad walls! It comes off as sour grapes (and, having seen the match on streaming, I believe it is..)
To clarify: the keeper puts up a wall to protect one corner, in this instance his left. His job is then to have control of his right corner. If he chooses, like he did, to stand in the middle of the goal, he shouldn’t be putting up a wall at all.
The wall didn’t break (or if it did, I did not see it) - the ball just passed to its right, where the keeper was supposed to have been. He wasn’t. I’d say well spotted by Arteta, a good free kick, and Michael, even though you are rightly frustrated by Fellaini’s yellow (as I am), do not make rash comments about lucky goals and bad walls! It comes off as sour grapes (and, having seen the match on streaming, I believe it is..)
10 bookings in 18 matches is a ridiculous record.
Get it sorted Screech
Guys, just look back on those 10 bookings - despite the moaning about refereeing bias, etc., all have been deserved for persistent niggly fouling!!! Nearly all of those foulscommited have been in their half.
Get it sorted Screech
Get it sorted Screech
Guys, just look back on those 10 bookings - despite the moaning about refereeing bias, etc., all have been deserved for persistent niggly fouling!!! Nearly all of those foulscommited have been in their half.
Get it sorted Screech
Sitting on the fence is not so comfy on the bollocks but i can see both sides of the argument. But has anyone thought of this. For all you gamblers out there i reckon the smart money is on a draw in the first game and a draw in the cup game and fellaini plays at goodison and scores. I think they call it an accumulator.
For a tenner not a bad bet. Call it optimistic but hey guys.... every cloud
COYB
For a tenner not a bad bet. Call it optimistic but hey guys.... every cloud
COYB
Its a bit sad all this faffing about over Fellaini .... should he have been subbed or not? Its a judgment call at the end of the day and maybe Moyes got it right or maybe he got it wrong. If he had taken him off and Hull sneeked one and then another what would people be saying? Moyes, shouldnt have taken him off? It was a good win and I think we are up for the next few matches. Against anyone!
Ok guys time for a reality check. We had to win that game today, and just cause we were 2 up ment fuck all....remember Newcastle! Fellanini had to stay on...according to Merson on Sky he was man of the match. Simple as.
Now on to the two games with the shite. People have been coming on here with posts saying things like "we’ll stuff them in both games" Jayus, who are you guys?? I look at it this way, we have about 1 in 10 chance of beating them twice....3 in 10 of beating them once....4 in 10 chance of two draws, and maybe 5 in 10 of a draw in one of the games.
ALL things considered, they have a 9 in 10 chance of winning both games.
So I believe the best we can hope for is one draw.......and hope that is the cup game, so at least we can have another crack at them at Goodison!
Sad I know, but that is the way things are at the moment......anything more than that will be a surprise....but of course very welcome. Fingers crossed we get a little luck against them this time for a change.
Good luck to everyone, and enjoy the games.
COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now on to the two games with the shite. People have been coming on here with posts saying things like "we’ll stuff them in both games" Jayus, who are you guys?? I look at it this way, we have about 1 in 10 chance of beating them twice....3 in 10 of beating them once....4 in 10 chance of two draws, and maybe 5 in 10 of a draw in one of the games.
ALL things considered, they have a 9 in 10 chance of winning both games.
So I believe the best we can hope for is one draw.......and hope that is the cup game, so at least we can have another crack at them at Goodison!
Sad I know, but that is the way things are at the moment......anything more than that will be a surprise....but of course very welcome. Fingers crossed we get a little luck against them this time for a change.
Good luck to everyone, and enjoy the games.
COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Jon J Cox ...... I fancy that as well and was thinking on similar lines .... any odds on that?
" I look at it this way, we have about 1 in 10 chance of beating them twice....3 in 10 of beating them once....4 in 10 chance of two draws, and maybe 5 in 10 of a draw in one of the games.
ALL things considered, they have a 9 in 10 chance of winning both games."
I think you need to find a 10 year old and get them to teach you maths mate :)
ALL things considered, they have a 9 in 10 chance of winning both games."
I think you need to find a 10 year old and get them to teach you maths mate :)
Rich G - I agree the actual foul that got the booking may not have been a booking in itself, but the constant warnings from the referee would have told any normal person they were walking on glass.
Watching him on live feed was frustrating - even Joe Royle (not as biased as me, well, not quite!) stated on four occassions prior to the booking that he needed to watch himself. He even stated that he was liucky to not get a booking for the one before.
Screech came with a poor disciplinary record in Belgium. I can see why.
Bless him, still love him, but, boy, does he frustrate me more than cahill for the niggles!
Watching him on live feed was frustrating - even Joe Royle (not as biased as me, well, not quite!) stated on four occassions prior to the booking that he needed to watch himself. He even stated that he was liucky to not get a booking for the one before.
Screech came with a poor disciplinary record in Belgium. I can see why.
Bless him, still love him, but, boy, does he frustrate me more than cahill for the niggles!
Lets all settle down lads......
This ’incident’ is unfortunate, but lets not ignore the fact that big mauro has just learned a very harsh lesson today. Early on this season, i thought perhaps he was getting hard done by refs - but the stats are there to show he has committed more fouls (NOT YELLOW CARDS) than any other player in the prem. He is his own worst enemy. Yes alot of the fouls are silly mid air challenges, but he does commit persistant fouls during games.
Moyes perhaps should have subbed him, but hopefully this will teach fellaini a valuable lesson, which he will benefit from during the rest of his everton career.
And as for those anti moyes brigade - don’t tell me that he hasnt turned this club around under his management. To suggest we have gone backwards during this time is ludicrous.
This ’incident’ is unfortunate, but lets not ignore the fact that big mauro has just learned a very harsh lesson today. Early on this season, i thought perhaps he was getting hard done by refs - but the stats are there to show he has committed more fouls (NOT YELLOW CARDS) than any other player in the prem. He is his own worst enemy. Yes alot of the fouls are silly mid air challenges, but he does commit persistant fouls during games.
Moyes perhaps should have subbed him, but hopefully this will teach fellaini a valuable lesson, which he will benefit from during the rest of his everton career.
And as for those anti moyes brigade - don’t tell me that he hasnt turned this club around under his management. To suggest we have gone backwards during this time is ludicrous.
Anyone questioning Moyes’s judgment today should consider the clanger the fat waiter dropped today!
@ Rob...... I,m certaily going to go down that road. And since you ask "what are the odds on that" i would say 3.142 to 1. Or as pythagoras would say pass the wine mate.
And i still love the fact that this outrageous mind boggling football club chose me to support them.
COYB
And i still love the fact that this outrageous mind boggling football club chose me to support them.
COYB
Firstly, I would have substituted him at half time as it would have made him available for the Cup unless he got sent off at Anfield I think.
Secondly, the likes of David Mathieson should get a grip! People who have to make important decisions are lucky if they get half of them right, Moyes does far better than that, but takes stick from those who merely sit and moan. Unless ,of course, you are perfect?
Secondly, the likes of David Mathieson should get a grip! People who have to make important decisions are lucky if they get half of them right, Moyes does far better than that, but takes stick from those who merely sit and moan. Unless ,of course, you are perfect?
Just saw that one Ray. If there is one thing i think we can all agree on is that we are better than Stoke City! And we are certainly better than the bunch of criminals across the park (Danny Cadamatari being the exception of course)
Has no one considered that if we draw at Anfield, there will be a replay in which Fellaini will be playing? Maybe Moyes is going for a draw at their place.
Moyes, the backroom staff and the players have been trying to sort out Fellaini’s booking problem for months. As did Standard Liege.
Most of his bookings are based on his over-enthusiasm.
Fellaini would have been told at half time not to put his foot in and simply to close players down as we were 2 nil up and if we stayed in control he would come off after 60 mins or so.
Moyes has to trust his players to be disciplined ala Lescott today.
Once he had been booked he did not make a challenge, closed down and played like he should have done the first 15 mins of the 2nd half.The boy has got to learn.
3 points was vital today.
In the charged atmosphere of a derby does anyone seriously think Fellaini would not have been booked or even sent off anyway ? Mascherano would have used everything he learnt in Argentina to get him sent off and then we would be down to 10 men.<
Keep another clean sheet in the league game and carry on the unbeaten run - another point for us - 2 dropped by them and then all out in the cup match.
Fellaini then back for a massive home game against Arsenal and away to the Mancs.
br />We have the players to get a draw then a win without Felliani.
Discipline, hard work and take our chance(s) when they come.
Let’s not make an afro out of a short back and sides.
COYBB
Most of his bookings are based on his over-enthusiasm.
Fellaini would have been told at half time not to put his foot in and simply to close players down as we were 2 nil up and if we stayed in control he would come off after 60 mins or so.
Moyes has to trust his players to be disciplined ala Lescott today.
Once he had been booked he did not make a challenge, closed down and played like he should have done the first 15 mins of the 2nd half.The boy has got to learn.
3 points was vital today.
In the charged atmosphere of a derby does anyone seriously think Fellaini would not have been booked or even sent off anyway ? Mascherano would have used everything he learnt in Argentina to get him sent off and then we would be down to 10 men.<
Keep another clean sheet in the league game and carry on the unbeaten run - another point for us - 2 dropped by them and then all out in the cup match.
Fellaini then back for a massive home game against Arsenal and away to the Mancs.
br />We have the players to get a draw then a win without Felliani.
Discipline, hard work and take our chance(s) when they come.
Let’s not make an afro out of a short back and sides.
COYBB
We should have saved him so he gets booked in the derby and misses 2 easy games that are up next. Arsenal & United away!!!!!. As good as he is history shows when we beat Liverpool its not our so called best players that win it for us. It will be the work rate of Neville & Osman and perhaps a goal from Cahill after our defence plays outstanding rather than Fellaini or Arteta. thats the way we have won derbys recently
"Arteta getting extremely lucky again that the Hull wall dodged out of the way to let his strike through easily"
Fucking hell Kenrick,what a crying twat you are.What do you want exactly.We’ve served up consistant shite at Goodison most of the season and your moaning at that ?!!
Unbelievable.
Fucking hell Kenrick,what a crying twat you are.What do you want exactly.We’ve served up consistant shite at Goodison most of the season and your moaning at that ?!!
Unbelievable.
Jeremy, got a raw nerve there didn’t i?
I don’t care who’s the best Evertonian in the world, but would the likes of Dixie Dean, The Golden Vision, Alan Ball, Kendall, Royle, Watson, Ratcliffe, Reid, Southall, Ferguson (add your own legend in here) etc etc ever accept a defeat in the Derby like you just said you would? I guarantee you not one of them would.
Ask any Celtic/ Rangers fan if they wouldn’t mind getting beat by their neighbours in an old firm game?
Ask any Man Utd/Liverpool if they would accept being beat by the other lot under any circumstances?
Same goes for AC v Inter Milan, Barcelona v Real Madrid etc.
Welcome to the world of tribal football, it’s the same the world over. Every supporter has a team that he would never ever accept defeat to, mine is Liverpool and you’ll find i’m not the only Evertonian with that train of thought.
I for one, cannot understand under any circumstances that a blue would ever accept / prefer to be beaten by Liverpool. I just don’t get it.
Maybe if Moyes finally gets the message what it means to all the blues to beat Liverpool (he was a celtic man after all, he should know alot better shouldn’t he?) then maybe his atricious record and tactics against Liverpool might change in the future.
No Everton manager in the past 23 years i’ve been supporting the blue has made the Merseyside Derby so easy for Liverpool as Moyes consistently has.
OK?
I don’t care who’s the best Evertonian in the world, but would the likes of Dixie Dean, The Golden Vision, Alan Ball, Kendall, Royle, Watson, Ratcliffe, Reid, Southall, Ferguson (add your own legend in here) etc etc ever accept a defeat in the Derby like you just said you would? I guarantee you not one of them would.
Ask any Celtic/ Rangers fan if they wouldn’t mind getting beat by their neighbours in an old firm game?
Ask any Man Utd/Liverpool if they would accept being beat by the other lot under any circumstances?
Same goes for AC v Inter Milan, Barcelona v Real Madrid etc.
Welcome to the world of tribal football, it’s the same the world over. Every supporter has a team that he would never ever accept defeat to, mine is Liverpool and you’ll find i’m not the only Evertonian with that train of thought.
I for one, cannot understand under any circumstances that a blue would ever accept / prefer to be beaten by Liverpool. I just don’t get it.
Maybe if Moyes finally gets the message what it means to all the blues to beat Liverpool (he was a celtic man after all, he should know alot better shouldn’t he?) then maybe his atricious record and tactics against Liverpool might change in the future.
No Everton manager in the past 23 years i’ve been supporting the blue has made the Merseyside Derby so easy for Liverpool as Moyes consistently has.
OK?
Ahhh jeez, it’s really too bad that we couldn’t have played the Shite today. They looked like they didn’t wanna know. Keane was arguably their best player and he spent the match frozen on the bench working on building a large puddle of drool between his feet.
@Dan Patterson
This is why i advocated a bet. I think our Davey and his backroom staff have more nous than a lot of people on here give him credit for. I believe that this was the "cunning plan" all along. For Simon where did you work those odds out...... from the beano?
COYB
This is why i advocated a bet. I think our Davey and his backroom staff have more nous than a lot of people on here give him credit for. I believe that this was the "cunning plan" all along. For Simon where did you work those odds out...... from the beano?
COYB
Moyes can’t fucking win can he!
If he’d subbed Felliani and we were shit as a result, you’d have a shower of shallow fuckers on here asking why he DID sub him.
Get a grip.
If he’d subbed Felliani and we were shit as a result, you’d have a shower of shallow fuckers on here asking why he DID sub him.
Get a grip.
All of ye Moyes knockers on here should fuck off once and for all. Start up yere own website and call it Whinging shower of shites.
He didnt sub Felliani becuase he didnt sub him, end of story. If he did sub him and Hull got a draw (like Newcastle did) , Ye would all be on here whinging and calling Moyes a wanker for subbing him, he cant win. Felliani is just one player. We can take the red shite without him. The real wankers are the referees who book him for fuck all, just like they did Big Dunc.
He didnt sub Felliani becuase he didnt sub him, end of story. If he did sub him and Hull got a draw (like Newcastle did) , Ye would all be on here whinging and calling Moyes a wanker for subbing him, he cant win. Felliani is just one player. We can take the red shite without him. The real wankers are the referees who book him for fuck all, just like they did Big Dunc.
Jim Slade... spot on.... it's refs fault, a booking for nothing. Big Dunc springs to mind.
I don’t think ive got a problem with intellectual capacity somehow. However David I’d question the intellect of someone who calls our manager a loser on the back of not taking off our the best player in a game that was not yet won. Most managers in the prem, especially those with our injuries, would have checked the progress of the second half before subbing him. And despite some disparaging remarks concerning Hull, it is important to remember that they have been great this season and have won at arsenal, tottenham and newcasle amoung others and have scored 3 against man united at old trafford
And what has Moyes achieved everton? I can’t believe you are being that stupid? well saying that, as you clearly don’t know what a ’hybrid’ is I shouldnt really be suprised. When Moyes took over we were fighting again relegation with a completety inferior squad. Now we are an established top six side despite not having the financial muscle of our competitors. And last year we finished 5th in the premiership, the semi’s of the carling cup and the last 16 of the UEFA cup which we were very unlucky to lose. But I suppose in your eyes turning a relegation fighting team into a top six side is no achievement.
And never won a big game? Now I will admit that we don’t perform against the top four, however that is due to inferior resources. But nethertheless he has won big games. We have beaten arsenal at least three times (im my memory) under Moyes, we have beaten lpool twice and we won against some top teams in the uefa cup last season.
I think you and others with similar views should look at where we were when he took over and where we are now. And look at this, not with thoughts of the past in your mind, but in view of our resources. The simple fact is that Moyes has turned this team around and it is quite probable that if he had been given money to spend in the summer we would be in the top four now (Monies spent having come from the sales of johnson and faddy in jan in the most part).
And what has Moyes achieved everton? I can’t believe you are being that stupid? well saying that, as you clearly don’t know what a ’hybrid’ is I shouldnt really be suprised. When Moyes took over we were fighting again relegation with a completety inferior squad. Now we are an established top six side despite not having the financial muscle of our competitors. And last year we finished 5th in the premiership, the semi’s of the carling cup and the last 16 of the UEFA cup which we were very unlucky to lose. But I suppose in your eyes turning a relegation fighting team into a top six side is no achievement.
And never won a big game? Now I will admit that we don’t perform against the top four, however that is due to inferior resources. But nethertheless he has won big games. We have beaten arsenal at least three times (im my memory) under Moyes, we have beaten lpool twice and we won against some top teams in the uefa cup last season.
I think you and others with similar views should look at where we were when he took over and where we are now. And look at this, not with thoughts of the past in your mind, but in view of our resources. The simple fact is that Moyes has turned this team around and it is quite probable that if he had been given money to spend in the summer we would be in the top four now (Monies spent having come from the sales of johnson and faddy in jan in the most part).
Timmy you said it straight. Moyes has turned us around because he is a winner and he brought that mentality to us. Felliani - He cant help it, he's a big awkward gangly dangly douchebag but we love him. He will calm down a bit and get booked less.
@Jim Slade. Spot on mate it?s like the game against Villa. Cant remember his name but he was consistantly fouling the whole game and never got a cross word of the ref. It was the ginger haired guy but anyway it may seem like a conspiracy film but guess who our most dangerous player is at the moment? Yes, FELLAINI. Too many things just add up in the right direction and how easy is it for refs to take a player out of circulation by way of those so called "niggley" fouls, which at the end of the day and at it?s most ambiguous is just at the ref's (or the FA?s) discretion.
COYB
COYB
Timmy, under Moyes, we never won at Highbury / Ashburton, never won at Anfield, never won at Old Trafford, never won at Stamford Bridge in his stewardship (I stand to be corrected of course). So that?s 4 games a year x 7 years, we?ve never beaten a Sky 4 side away from home in the last 28 games?
Beat Liverpool twice in 7 homes games, haven?t beaten Chelsea (correct me if I?m wrong) at home, beaten Arsenal 3 times at home (your words), and beaten Utd once in 7 home games, so under Moyes, in 56 games we?ve only actually won 6 of them? 6 out of 56 games? That?s ok with you is it? It?s not with me.
Surely that puts things into perspective as to why the guys on here aren?t David Moyes's biggest supporters.
If Moyes in his head is already beaten (why not save Fellaini for the Derby?s?) in the 2 games against Liverpool, well that?s just direliction of duty in my eyes, he?s paid rather handsomely to win as many games as he can, not pick and choose the games he thinks he can win....
Beat Liverpool twice in 7 homes games, haven?t beaten Chelsea (correct me if I?m wrong) at home, beaten Arsenal 3 times at home (your words), and beaten Utd once in 7 home games, so under Moyes, in 56 games we?ve only actually won 6 of them? 6 out of 56 games? That?s ok with you is it? It?s not with me.
Surely that puts things into perspective as to why the guys on here aren?t David Moyes's biggest supporters.
If Moyes in his head is already beaten (why not save Fellaini for the Derby?s?) in the 2 games against Liverpool, well that?s just direliction of duty in my eyes, he?s paid rather handsomely to win as many games as he can, not pick and choose the games he thinks he can win....
Moyes takes it one game at a time, we had an important game to win against Hull, so Moyes chose his strongest team and I completly agree with him.
We were 2 goals up at half time, but if you know anything about football you'll know it's a game of two halves and it is possible the game could have turned on its head by making changes. Fellaini should've had more sense, it's not Moyes's fault.
Imagine if Moyes had taken him off and Hull came back an then we lost both derbies, at least we've got another valuable 3 points.
We were 2 goals up at half time, but if you know anything about football you'll know it's a game of two halves and it is possible the game could have turned on its head by making changes. Fellaini should've had more sense, it's not Moyes's fault.
Imagine if Moyes had taken him off and Hull came back an then we lost both derbies, at least we've got another valuable 3 points.
So Declan, you would rather Moyes had a more Royle or Smith like record and finish 15th 16th or 17th most seasons and beat one or 2 of the Sky 4 away. Is this more important. In case it has escaped the Moyes knockers here, most teams fail to beat the Sky 4 away. We are regular top 6 finishers under Moyes. Thats the bottom line.
I concluded you were a hybrid because you must have an ability most humans do not have. This sixth sense you posses gives you the ability to know if someone is a loser or not without ever meeting them. How you gained this ability, must be because you are not a full breed human and were conceived by the mating of two species one human normal like the rest of us the other with a sixth sense like you. ie a hybrid.
I hope that cleared that up for you. Big games, I count as going towards winning trophies, when it matters Moyes is not good enough for me.
I hope that cleared that up for you. Big games, I count as going towards winning trophies, when it matters Moyes is not good enough for me.
Davey made a positive decision to leave Moro on today because he felt it was vital that we held what we had at half-time. I have not the slightest doubt that he has already discounted the Derby as a game we always lose and regards the Cup game as of little confidence. Like most of us, he regards the real chance of victory as against an ailing Arsenal. Pragmatism rules!
I think the derby games would be too fast and furious for Felliani.
Step back our freedom fighter Timmy, Alonso's worst nightmare.
But who can we play upfront? Big Vic has been a waste of space.
Step back our freedom fighter Timmy, Alonso's worst nightmare.
But who can we play upfront? Big Vic has been a waste of space.
Knowing our luck some bright spark Sky or BBC pundit will pick out Fellaini?s elbow on Turner at the end of the 1st half and he?ll end up with a 5-match ban.
Odds??
Odds??
Timmy, you?re spot on lad. The game was NOT won at 2-0. And I?ll tell you something, if Moyes had taken Fellaini off ? and we?d ended up 2-2 ? the people slating Moyes on this forum would?ve been the first to have a go at him for doing so.
Jim Slade. We get this quite often from the "Moyes can do wrong" apologists. I would rather be a top 6 side under Moyes than the awful Walter Smith sides, Walter ever only won one Merseyside Derby in his time.
I want Everton to be a Top 4 side, but most preferably the Champions every year, that?s my ambition for Everton, I?d rather they lived in fear of us and not the other way around.
I think Moyes has showed more heart and passion for our club than Walter, I do genuinely believe Moyes is a blue at heart now. I do genuinely like the bloke, he?s done really well to turn us round, but he?s far from perfect and not beyond accountability, I also wish he showed the Sky 4 a lot less respect.
If we sorted out our record against the Sky 4 we wouldn?t be happy with 6th place, we?d be wanting top 4 and a challenge at the title. I want a David Moyes side going to their grounds with the intention of winning, and if losing, going down giving a bloody good account of themselves. These sides are not unbeatable. Nobody is.
Tell me this, how did Joe Royle go unbeaten in Merseyside Derby?s both at Goodison AND Anfield with an inferior squad than we currently have? Does anyone not remember going 2-0 at Old Trafford and conceding a late unlucky David Unsworth own goal? Can you seriously see that happening in a couple of weeks time?
How did Royle do it? A never say die attitude. Will to win, the will to take on the big guns and give them a tough game/time and relish giving a rough time. It?s what you do if they have "superior" players.
I want Everton to be a Top 4 side, but most preferably the Champions every year, that?s my ambition for Everton, I?d rather they lived in fear of us and not the other way around.
I think Moyes has showed more heart and passion for our club than Walter, I do genuinely believe Moyes is a blue at heart now. I do genuinely like the bloke, he?s done really well to turn us round, but he?s far from perfect and not beyond accountability, I also wish he showed the Sky 4 a lot less respect.
If we sorted out our record against the Sky 4 we wouldn?t be happy with 6th place, we?d be wanting top 4 and a challenge at the title. I want a David Moyes side going to their grounds with the intention of winning, and if losing, going down giving a bloody good account of themselves. These sides are not unbeatable. Nobody is.
Tell me this, how did Joe Royle go unbeaten in Merseyside Derby?s both at Goodison AND Anfield with an inferior squad than we currently have? Does anyone not remember going 2-0 at Old Trafford and conceding a late unlucky David Unsworth own goal? Can you seriously see that happening in a couple of weeks time?
How did Royle do it? A never say die attitude. Will to win, the will to take on the big guns and give them a tough game/time and relish giving a rough time. It?s what you do if they have "superior" players.
For me, Hull came with a plan to get right into us and make this a
physical game so I would like to say well done to Fellaini and Cahill
for giving as good as they got, especially Fellaini as I'm sure the
Hull players were expecting him to be all timid because of the ban
over his head. Moyes made the decision and we have 3 points; as for
our next two games, we just don't know yet!!!
Quick word of praise for Lescott who I thought was great today ( also 1 card away from a ban) and how many times did Fellaini chest the ball down and play it on the deck to a blue shirt!
For me it's quite simple, we will miss him in the derby matches; however, we would've missed him in the second half as well.
@Mr Kenrick.
How can you atate Arteta?s goal was lucky??
Two of our men in the wall stood side by side and prior to delivery both ran either way out of the wall creating the space Arteta fired into. The wall did not disintegrate........it was a well performed drill and Arteta?s shot text book....NOT LUCK at all. But why let the facts get in the way of a good negative whinge.
How can you atate Arteta?s goal was lucky??
Two of our men in the wall stood side by side and prior to delivery both ran either way out of the wall creating the space Arteta fired into. The wall did not disintegrate........it was a well performed drill and Arteta?s shot text book....NOT LUCK at all. But why let the facts get in the way of a good negative whinge.
Usual story on here isn?t it?
We win but the nuggets still have to moan about something. I too thought Fellaini should have been subbed at half time but the yellow card was a joke. The same challenge happened the other way around with Osman, but the ref gestured that Osman put his head down.
The ref was looking to book Fellaini from the first minute, the usual point around the ground after a small foul and that gives his yellow card credence.
Their centre half kicked everyone all over the place but the usual pitch pointing was missing.
As I said the usual suspects having a go at Moyes for the stupidest of things. It is so easy to ignore them because they are so deluded in their hatred it is quite funny.
We win but the nuggets still have to moan about something. I too thought Fellaini should have been subbed at half time but the yellow card was a joke. The same challenge happened the other way around with Osman, but the ref gestured that Osman put his head down.
The ref was looking to book Fellaini from the first minute, the usual point around the ground after a small foul and that gives his yellow card credence.
Their centre half kicked everyone all over the place but the usual pitch pointing was missing.
As I said the usual suspects having a go at Moyes for the stupidest of things. It is so easy to ignore them because they are so deluded in their hatred it is quite funny.
Just to carry on from what Jim is saying, so, 38 games per season sky four 8 games. All away lost but say two at home drawn; two points. The aspiration at this point is to win all the other games. Note our away record quite good yeah? Does anyone think this is by mere coincidence? NO. What I think Moyes is trying to do is not only to be the best of the rest but to get a team at this time which will beat every other team home and away and at least draw their home games against the Richard Keyes 4!
Let's total that scenario. Thirty games won, ninety points four games against sky 4 drawn, 4 points total 3,756 points. The message is as is the principle... get a team that can beat everyone draw at home against the sky 4 and year on year we qualify for the CL. Great players will now want to join us the spiral is in an upward mode.
Davey, if you haven?t worked this one out by now then then give me a bell.
COYB
Let's total that scenario. Thirty games won, ninety points four games against sky 4 drawn, 4 points total 3,756 points. The message is as is the principle... get a team that can beat everyone draw at home against the sky 4 and year on year we qualify for the CL. Great players will now want to join us the spiral is in an upward mode.
Davey, if you haven?t worked this one out by now then then give me a bell.
COYB
Meant to say ?as of little consequence?. I got into a lot of trouble in the Freshy tonight for spouting that line but I truly believe that?s our mans?s thinking on the issue.
After 23 years of supporting Everton and taking abuse for the majority of those years from Utd and Liverpool fans, you?re damn right I like to see them lose, but I want Everton win first and foremost.
I hate Everton losing, most of all I hate losing to Utd and Liverpool more than most. This club is deep in my soul and it hurts me to the pit of my stomach losing to our rivals, because when I grew up they were the teams that stood in our way of winning even more than the 9 titles and 5 FA Cup?s than we?ve already got.
Some may accept being a Top 6 side, but I was brought up on Southall, Reid, Sharpy, Ratcliffe and Kendall, guys who bled for this club to keep it at the top. Winners. Champions. Joe Royle gave us a taste of it again (the FA Cup and the dogs of war) and I wanted more. That hunger in me to see us at the top again will never die.
And in my 23 years of supporting the Toffee?s I can also remember an Everton side going to Old Trafford and winning 3-0. Howard Kendall was the manager, we had a vastly inferior team then compared to now, and the Utd team back then was actually harder to beat than this current team.
It can be done lads. One thing I?ve always had in my heart regarding supporting this club, you never ever, EVER, accept and resign yourself to being 2nd best to Liverpool and Man Utd.
I hate Everton losing, most of all I hate losing to Utd and Liverpool more than most. This club is deep in my soul and it hurts me to the pit of my stomach losing to our rivals, because when I grew up they were the teams that stood in our way of winning even more than the 9 titles and 5 FA Cup?s than we?ve already got.
Some may accept being a Top 6 side, but I was brought up on Southall, Reid, Sharpy, Ratcliffe and Kendall, guys who bled for this club to keep it at the top. Winners. Champions. Joe Royle gave us a taste of it again (the FA Cup and the dogs of war) and I wanted more. That hunger in me to see us at the top again will never die.
And in my 23 years of supporting the Toffee?s I can also remember an Everton side going to Old Trafford and winning 3-0. Howard Kendall was the manager, we had a vastly inferior team then compared to now, and the Utd team back then was actually harder to beat than this current team.
It can be done lads. One thing I?ve always had in my heart regarding supporting this club, you never ever, EVER, accept and resign yourself to being 2nd best to Liverpool and Man Utd.
Michael Kenrick, I just noticed your claim that "Arteta [got] extremely lucky again that the Hull wall dodged out of the way".
Outrageous comment. Absolutely outrageous! Why do you refuse to give credit where credit?s due? Do you really dislike our manager so much that you can?t even acknowledge when one of Moyes?s players scores a wonderful goal?
I honestly don?t know another football supporter in the world who could watch one of their side?s players score a goal like that ? and have nothing else to say other than "lucky"!
Outrageous comment. Absolutely outrageous! Why do you refuse to give credit where credit?s due? Do you really dislike our manager so much that you can?t even acknowledge when one of Moyes?s players scores a wonderful goal?
I honestly don?t know another football supporter in the world who could watch one of their side?s players score a goal like that ? and have nothing else to say other than "lucky"!
Yes, our record against the top four is fine with me because I haven't got some preconceived notion that we should be beating teams with far more money that us who have been established as top teams in the prem for longer on a regular basis. I understand, as anyone would, that gradual progress is the only way forward unless a billionaire comes knocking and under Moyes our progress has been brilliant. What other team in the prem era has been turned around like we have?
We are not the team that we were in the 80s, we are a team with resources on a level with a bottom-half Premier League clubs but who have performed better than our rivals. Some lower positioned teams have better records against the top four than we have, but would you wish us to be in their position?
I would prefer that we continue to progress and our signing of Fellaini in the summer, one of the best young talents in the world, was testament to our plan of progress in the long term. And despite the apparent pessimism over our season so far, we are still sixth and only three points away from Arsenal and considering our injuries that's a fantasic achievement.
I read through this thread with mild amusement at times. Some people will never be happy. If you won the lottery you would be complaining about something. Some people are just moaners. Moyes has done a terrific job and I think we can still get results at Anfield. Watching them against Stoke today gave me more hope than ever COYB!
The commentator (a certain J Royle) suggested he be subbed at halftime ... and perhaps he should have been BUT let?s get some perspective on Moyes and what he?s achieved this season. We had a terrible time in the transfer market and some poor home form has hindered our early progress but we are SIXTH ... and the highest team without a huge multinational overseas sugar daddy owner... we are still the biggest overachievers in British football and I AM VERY PROUD OF US ? and our Manager.
Fellaini,could never understand why referees picked on him in Belgium, it?s easy to see ? he commits foul after foul after foul... He was lucky not to have been sent off yesterday for TWO blatant elbows in the box...
Liverpool would have targetted him, as will many clubs now ? it?s obvious that he?s clumsy in the tackle and easily aggravated. Shame because he has the makings of a great player. Let?s hope he can sort himself out.
Brian, it’s just a fact that’s all. The wall stands firm, and the ball careens off and out for a corner. In this case, they make a nice space for him, just like Sunderland did. I said it looked wonderful and it did. But I’ve seen it plenty of times from Arteta... perhaps you haven’t been watching. He rarely shows the skill needed to get the ball over the wall, under the bar, and away from the keeper. It’s not my fault, so there’s point getting all het up with me!
Don?t worry we?ll have Hibbert and Osman in the strarting XI against the red shit!!!
We?ll never get a win there with those fuckn galutes in the team!!
We?ll never get a win there with those fuckn galutes in the team!!
Michael K
It was Piennar and Fellaini that made a nuisance of themselves in the wall, they created the gap that Arteta exploited, I perfectly worked free kick in my eyes. The first goal was lucky the second was class.
It was Piennar and Fellaini that made a nuisance of themselves in the wall, they created the gap that Arteta exploited, I perfectly worked free kick in my eyes. The first goal was lucky the second was class.
I never visit the fan sites of other clubs so maybe someone can tell me - are any football fans anywhere ever pleased? I?m simply staggered that Moyes is being called a ?loser? etc. for not subbing Screech. He was keeping his best player on to ensure a vital win. End of. The only person to blame is Screech himself. He?s been here nearly 5 months now and still hasn't learned that if you keep kicking people the ref will card you.
The ultimate irony though is the reaction from you lot. From some of the posts above you would think the derby games are now unwinnable without Fellaini. What a change from deadline day last August when you were all calling for Moyes?s head for wasting £15 mill on a panic buy no-one had heard of. My fellow blues simply astonish me at times.
As regards the derby, of course it would be better if Fellaini could play, but in my opinion he is far less of a talismanic player than Cahill, or for that matter Arteta. Both of them are available so let's not wave the white flag just yet.
Spot on Neil
Just for repeats: its better to lose a player through suspension than a jail sentence :)
Arteta was lucky!!!! Its like saying a cricketer is lucky because he found gaps.. Well you dickhead and pea-brain, define lucky.. Disgraceful comment... Had it been a Ronaldo or a Gerrard this kick would have been glorified.. Some people stay in castles of their own, castles built on Everton’s success in 80s.. The truth is Everton were really low and are much much better now..
Kenrick, and all the boo-boys, have you come out and praised the football (granted some moves dont come with results), but all these pricks say is thank god hoofball is REDUCED!!!.. Just dour, negative talk and then they comment on Moyes’s persistent negativity.. Yeah right, Moyes positively keeps our best player on the pitch and he is a fucking loser, holding our club back, he really pisses me off.. Well whats positive play??
Kenrick, and all the boo-boys, have you come out and praised the football (granted some moves dont come with results), but all these pricks say is thank god hoofball is REDUCED!!!.. Just dour, negative talk and then they comment on Moyes’s persistent negativity.. Yeah right, Moyes positively keeps our best player on the pitch and he is a fucking loser, holding our club back, he really pisses me off.. Well whats positive play??
Against the RS, we should stick with Cahill on top. Give Gosling a start. Dunno if he can play in the middle though... but worth a shot...
COYB!!!!!!!!!!
COYB!!!!!!!!!!
Albeit, bad news about Felli but it?s not the end of our chances against Liverpool. Moyes is aware of the passion during any derby game and Felli is clumsy during challenges. Elbows flying and all that. With the current crop of refs on a televised game, straight red for coughing on one of them. Better 11 men than 10.
Michael Kenrick, how can you say Arteta got lucky that the Hull wall got out of the way. Did you not see that the gap was engineered by Felli and Pienaar who peeled off to create it - hence it was planned!
Also, how long do you think Felli would have lasted in the derby before getting sent off? I think Moyes did the right thing.
Also, how long do you think Felli would have lasted in the derby before getting sent off? I think Moyes did the right thing.
Michael Kenrick, how can you say Arteta got lucky that the Hull wall got out of the way. Did you not see that the gap was engineered by Felli and Pienaar who peeled off to create it - hence it was planned!
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Exactly, that was a training ground free kick. If you didn?t see what happened you should take another look.
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Exactly, that was a training ground free kick. If you didn?t see what happened you should take another look.
Moyes is doing a terrific job, that can't really be contested, but he fucked up yesterday leaving the Big Fella on.
Football is all about debate and just because DM is doing a great job doesn't mean he is above criticism when he gets it wrong; yesterday he got it wrong.
Arteta scored a brilliant free kick against Blackburn early in the season, the keeper was at fault, but Arteta was good enough to punish him. Who cares if he?s lucky or not, the goals are spectacular, the "lucky " Arteta seems to be scoring more free kicks than anyone else, long may it continue.
Football is all about debate and just because DM is doing a great job doesn't mean he is above criticism when he gets it wrong; yesterday he got it wrong.
Arteta scored a brilliant free kick against Blackburn early in the season, the keeper was at fault, but Arteta was good enough to punish him. Who cares if he?s lucky or not, the goals are spectacular, the "lucky " Arteta seems to be scoring more free kicks than anyone else, long may it continue.
Covering old ground, maybe but Moyes’s rationale as explained on the OS:
The Goodison chief said: ?The important thing was to get three points today ? we knew there was a decision to make at half-time with whether to bring Felli (Marouane Fellaini) off or not and I thought that we were a couple of goals up against Newcastle at half-time earlier in the season and we didn?t secure that lead, so I thought that the important thing was to get the three points today.
?I think if we got 10 or 15 more minutes into the match, I would have brought him off. The important thing was that the referee made that decision.
?I think the player ducked his head to win the ball, Felli is only looking at the ball and actually pokes the ball away before the other player?s head gets there, but he gives a free kick. It wasn?t a free kick.
?The ref?s claiming that he?s booked him for persistent fouling but I?ve looked at a few other ones and they were really harsh on the boy. The one where the goalkeeper comes and he?s claiming a foul by Felli on the goalkeeper, but I think it was the other way round.
?If you talk them all up it seems like there was a lot of fouls, but they?re actually mistakes by the referee.?
The Goodison chief said: ?The important thing was to get three points today ? we knew there was a decision to make at half-time with whether to bring Felli (Marouane Fellaini) off or not and I thought that we were a couple of goals up against Newcastle at half-time earlier in the season and we didn?t secure that lead, so I thought that the important thing was to get the three points today.
?I think if we got 10 or 15 more minutes into the match, I would have brought him off. The important thing was that the referee made that decision.
?I think the player ducked his head to win the ball, Felli is only looking at the ball and actually pokes the ball away before the other player?s head gets there, but he gives a free kick. It wasn?t a free kick.
?The ref?s claiming that he?s booked him for persistent fouling but I?ve looked at a few other ones and they were really harsh on the boy. The one where the goalkeeper comes and he?s claiming a foul by Felli on the goalkeeper, but I think it was the other way round.
?If you talk them all up it seems like there was a lot of fouls, but they?re actually mistakes by the referee.?
Michael, you’ve really made a pig ears of it with your description of Arteta’s free kick!
Fellaini and Pienaar both stood in the wall, if you watched the replays, and then moved sideways to create the gap.
However Arteta still had to ensure the free kick was on target and far enough wide that the keeper couldn’t save it.
Give credit where it is due!!
Fellaini and Pienaar both stood in the wall, if you watched the replays, and then moved sideways to create the gap.
However Arteta still had to ensure the free kick was on target and far enough wide that the keeper couldn’t save it.
Give credit where it is due!!
Here?s the problem. Moyes thinks that he cannot get anything from both games at Anfield ? so he makes sure he gets the three points against Hull with his best team. He may be right but that is not how an Evertonian would view this. Rather we go into both games against them with our best team than having to cobble together a makeshift side.
It was unforgiveable not to have substituted him at half time ? shit management and showed a complete lack of any sense how we feel about the two games coming ? more important than three points against Hull any day. To compete with them and not be embarrassed is what will bring plaudits to Everton from far and wide. Great Manager? He has a lot to learn.
Steve, we?ll have 1 player missing from our current first choice 11, hardly a cobbled together makeshift side.
And how do you know Moyes doesn?t think we can win either game against the redshite? From what I know of Moyes, he wants to compete in every game.
And how do you know Moyes doesn?t think we can win either game against the redshite? From what I know of Moyes, he wants to compete in every game.
Steve, how do you know what Moyes is thinking? Have you never heard of the saying "one game at a time"?
If you cannot see that taking Fellaini out of that side forces a cobbled together side then you clearly don't have a clue.... you lose creativity from the midfield and a goal threat... and a superb partnership that has developed between Cahill and him. That?s the point. Moyes talked about him being booked for persistent fouling. He saw it, I saw it, he did nothing about it ? unforgiveable. I?ll be at Anfield to see them compete ? I am very sad that we don't go into that with out best formation.
What a moaning bunch of whingers! Like him or not, Moyes seems to be doing an effective job as manager & I don?t see the merit in analysing every little decision in order to find something to complain about. Of course, all the frustrated managers who seem to think they could do a better job will be the first on here to praise moyes if we should win the next 2 matches - but I doubt it!
Steve, extending your argument somewhat, I could argue that Arteta should have been taken off at half time in case he got an injury in the second half ? or that Cahill our real talisman should have gone off. Let?s face it, he was as likely as anyone to get sent off. And going back a bit, Duncan Ferguson would never have played in the game before a derby match would he?
True, Dennis. It?s a variation on the old Aussie Pommy migrant joke: ?How can you tell a plane load of Toffeeweb posters have landed? The engines have been turned off, but you can still hear the whining?. Michael and Tony et al will be in their ?told you so element? if we go down to the Shite - but, of course, expect their grovelling apology to DM if somehow we roll them.
You cant just take players off because they might get a yellow card. We have history of letting leads slip and Fellaini is a very influential player for us.
Against Hull, if he?d come off at half time and we failed to win the game, what then? Moyes is a twat and shouldnt have taken Fellaini off?
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Get over it, he may be influential but the derbies are a total lottery and we?ve won plenty of them with an inferior team to the shite.
With or without Fellaini, the chances are we?ll struggle against them at Anfield anyway ? not being negative as such, just realistic.
You never know, a draw in the cup game could see them back at our place with Fellaini in the team, in which case we?ll beat them no problem.
Yeah right.
Against Hull, if he?d come off at half time and we failed to win the game, what then? Moyes is a twat and shouldnt have taken Fellaini off?
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Get over it, he may be influential but the derbies are a total lottery and we?ve won plenty of them with an inferior team to the shite.
With or without Fellaini, the chances are we?ll struggle against them at Anfield anyway ? not being negative as such, just realistic.
You never know, a draw in the cup game could see them back at our place with Fellaini in the team, in which case we?ll beat them no problem.
Yeah right.
I was surprised that Fellaini played against Hull to begin with and then, given that we were 2-up, why he wasn?t subbed at half-time was actually quite shocking... a definite mistake on Moyes part (I don?t often say that).
However, I?m convinced there?s no way he would have escaped a booking in the first of the games against The Shite... possibly even a red (you know that lot will target him) so my assumption is that we would have had the Fella for only one game.
So, on the brightside, he?s out of those two games.... we have to pick our game up because we obviously rely on him.... the Shite will have no target man to aim for (well, other than the 11 blue players that do play!) but this does leave Fella available for the Arsenal and Man Utd games.... which isn?t a bad thing (plus the replay against the Shite if we don?t beat them the first time around).
It could be worse.
As an aside, our clean sheet record of late is quite amazing!!
COYB!!
However, I?m convinced there?s no way he would have escaped a booking in the first of the games against The Shite... possibly even a red (you know that lot will target him) so my assumption is that we would have had the Fella for only one game.
So, on the brightside, he?s out of those two games.... we have to pick our game up because we obviously rely on him.... the Shite will have no target man to aim for (well, other than the 11 blue players that do play!) but this does leave Fella available for the Arsenal and Man Utd games.... which isn?t a bad thing (plus the replay against the Shite if we don?t beat them the first time around).
It could be worse.
As an aside, our clean sheet record of late is quite amazing!!
COYB!!
Guys, unless you didn't notice we actually won yesterday.
Take him off at half time is just hindsight ? and plain stupid.
Are we so good that we can afford to do that ? I don?t think so. Premier League matches can change so quickly ? remember Newcastle 2 up and coasting.
Come on get real.
As someone else has said Fellaini was an absolute nap to get booked against the RS ? they would make sure of it.
Yesterday's 3pts were more important than the loss of 1 player for the next 2 games. Get over it.
We won ? "don?t worry, be happy" .
Take him off at half time is just hindsight ? and plain stupid.
Are we so good that we can afford to do that ? I don?t think so. Premier League matches can change so quickly ? remember Newcastle 2 up and coasting.
Come on get real.
As someone else has said Fellaini was an absolute nap to get booked against the RS ? they would make sure of it.
Yesterday's 3pts were more important than the loss of 1 player for the next 2 games. Get over it.
We won ? "don?t worry, be happy" .
Hey folks.
The three points against Hull are worth the same as the three points against the RS. Half the people on here who have it in for Moyes were calling him five weeks ago for ?blowing his budget on a lightweight? are now making out that MF is actually the heart and soul of the team and we won't cope with out him. Talk about a coloured view. He was going to get banned sooner or later and miss crucial games. His performance yesterday though made sure we have three points.
Frustrating, but that?s life.
The three points against Hull are worth the same as the three points against the RS. Half the people on here who have it in for Moyes were calling him five weeks ago for ?blowing his budget on a lightweight? are now making out that MF is actually the heart and soul of the team and we won't cope with out him. Talk about a coloured view. He was going to get banned sooner or later and miss crucial games. His performance yesterday though made sure we have three points.
Frustrating, but that?s life.
Game was won at half time. Even the commentators made mention of a half time sub being made. It’s not fuckin brain surgery.
It was plain to see that Fellaini would be booked if left on. His value, after the yellow, wasn’t as valuable anyway. In my eyes, it was a great opportunity to throw gosling back into the mix and preserve the big fella.
One can only hope Moyes learns from his mistakes as this is a mammoth howler!!
It was plain to see that Fellaini would be booked if left on. His value, after the yellow, wasn’t as valuable anyway. In my eyes, it was a great opportunity to throw gosling back into the mix and preserve the big fella.
One can only hope Moyes learns from his mistakes as this is a mammoth howler!!
Fuck me, this has provoked some reaction!!!!
I wanted to keep Screech for the Derbies and thought we?d get a DWWD from the next 4 matches, but as Moyes said we concentrate on each match as it comes and we have lost a 2-0 lead before, so he was keeping him on for 15mins of the 2nd half to ensure the 3 points, fair enough. Now i think DDWD with a cup replay at home.
I wanted to keep Screech for the Derbies and thought we?d get a DWWD from the next 4 matches, but as Moyes said we concentrate on each match as it comes and we have lost a 2-0 lead before, so he was keeping him on for 15mins of the 2nd half to ensure the 3 points, fair enough. Now i think DDWD with a cup replay at home.
Whichever way you look at it, we would lose Screech for 2 of the next 4 games [his average is 1 booking per 1.8 games] and realistically we have more chance of beating the lesser teams with him than beating the so called top 4.
I also think that nobody in this league is playing fantastic football and there could be some BIG suprises ahead ie Us and Villa in the top 4! Spurs, Newcastle, City going down! Fulham and Wigan in Europe. Those 3 points yesterday WILL be massive at the end of the season, mark my words.
Michael Kenrick, as pointed out above, your take on the free-kick is way off.
Arteta asked two Everton players to form part of the opposition’s wall. They did so. At the moment he strikes the ball, the two players peel off - one to the left and one to the right. It was a deliberate ploy, perfectly conceived and wonderfully executed.
But when you can’t think of anything positive to say about your football club, I guess "lucky" is the only word for such a goal.
Arteta asked two Everton players to form part of the opposition’s wall. They did so. At the moment he strikes the ball, the two players peel off - one to the left and one to the right. It was a deliberate ploy, perfectly conceived and wonderfully executed.
But when you can’t think of anything positive to say about your football club, I guess "lucky" is the only word for such a goal.
I have to pick up Michael on his attack on Mikel Arteta. The ball was flying at 100mph like an exocet and he expects somebody to put a head on it. Maybe Michael also did not notice that the gap was created by an EFC player in the wall causing it to break.
Re Fellaini it was inevitable that he would get booked but 3 ponits in the bag is more important than thinking about the next game. After all you can get injured in training so do we stop training midweek?
Re Fellaini it was inevitable that he would get booked but 3 ponits in the bag is more important than thinking about the next game. After all you can get injured in training so do we stop training midweek?
Fuck me your a negative bunch!
We have just convincingly beaten the surprise package in the league this year at a canter.
Fellaini was awesome and Moyes was absoultely right to leave him on the field. The fact that he picked up another booking just shows how much he?s involved at then thick of the action for us at the moment.
Michael Kenrick have you watched that Free Kick again. It was a pice of Sublime Brilliance yet again by our little spanish magician, what are you on about luck, 30 yard freekick up and over the wall dipping in under the bar completely unstoppable even with Reina, Van Der Sar and there keeper all in the same goal. Get a grip!
We have just convincingly beaten the surprise package in the league this year at a canter.
Fellaini was awesome and Moyes was absoultely right to leave him on the field. The fact that he picked up another booking just shows how much he?s involved at then thick of the action for us at the moment.
Michael Kenrick have you watched that Free Kick again. It was a pice of Sublime Brilliance yet again by our little spanish magician, what are you on about luck, 30 yard freekick up and over the wall dipping in under the bar completely unstoppable even with Reina, Van Der Sar and there keeper all in the same goal. Get a grip!
Hopefully Screech will learn a bit of a lesson over this. Personally, I think that we are going to lose him for 4 games as he will pulled for those disgraceful elbows on Turner in the first half. And it will be his own fault. Great player, adds to the side massively when in, but naive if he thinks he can get away with these things.
Fellaini should have got himself booked in the Sunderland game. He would have missed the Macclesfield game [which he sat out anyway] and the Hull game. Simple?
Fellaini could have quite easily been booked in the first 20 mins for a trip or sent off for an elbow on turner in the first half, then would you have been saying why did Moyes start Fellaini but yet he scored the important first goal and had a great match throughout! You cant just rest your best players or infact take him off after 45 minutes and risk Hull gettin a goal back after just taking off your best player. We won, we played well, Arteta scored a fantastic free- kick and if you watch Fellaini and I think Osman seperate the wall for Arteta to strike so it's very skillful.
I don?t know about the rest of you but coming out of the ground yesterday I didn?t have that winning glow about me.... it was a nap, we play the shite again without a key player. Probably our most influential player at the moment. At half-time the only thing on my mind was hoping that Fellaini didn?t appear for the second half. The game was won. Hull had offered nothing.
Withdraw Fellaini and give Vic a run out for the second half, after all he needs the match practice. Shurely that was the common sense thing to do. Now I?m not a Moyes basher but come on... What a numpty... Just remind us Dave how much you get paid for decisions like that?
DITHERING DAVE STRIKES AGAIN.
He even says in his post match interview he considered taking off Fellainin but remebered how Newcastle got back into the match when we were 2-0 up... This absolutely sums this man up for me. Way too cautious, indecisive, and lacking the ability to see the bigger picture.
For me I have the utmost respect for the players out on the pitch putting in the graft over the last 6 weeks they have been absolutely awesome, and I lay all the credit with them not Moyes. They are performing well despite Moyes.
So now we go into a derby with no strikers (Anichebe doesnt count he is shite) and without the big fella who has done so well to make up for that lack of firepower we find ourselves with.
Moyes why haven’t you got a striker lined up?
We all knew Saha would be out injured most of the season.
We all knew Vaughan would be out of the game with his glass legs most of the season.
We all knew Anichebe is nothing more than a bit part player who is not good enough to make the starting line up.
So that meant we had one striker in Yakubu, and guess what... dear oh dear Davey.
I wouldnt mind having AJ available for the derby game, but oh wait he was flogged to Fulham, in a very poor manner.
So thank you David Moyes, once again your lacking ability as a manager has bit us on the arse and looks like it will cost us dear.
ABSOLUTE BELL END.
He even says in his post match interview he considered taking off Fellainin but remebered how Newcastle got back into the match when we were 2-0 up... This absolutely sums this man up for me. Way too cautious, indecisive, and lacking the ability to see the bigger picture.
For me I have the utmost respect for the players out on the pitch putting in the graft over the last 6 weeks they have been absolutely awesome, and I lay all the credit with them not Moyes. They are performing well despite Moyes.
So now we go into a derby with no strikers (Anichebe doesnt count he is shite) and without the big fella who has done so well to make up for that lack of firepower we find ourselves with.
Moyes why haven’t you got a striker lined up?
We all knew Saha would be out injured most of the season.
We all knew Vaughan would be out of the game with his glass legs most of the season.
We all knew Anichebe is nothing more than a bit part player who is not good enough to make the starting line up.
So that meant we had one striker in Yakubu, and guess what... dear oh dear Davey.
I wouldnt mind having AJ available for the derby game, but oh wait he was flogged to Fulham, in a very poor manner.
So thank you David Moyes, once again your lacking ability as a manager has bit us on the arse and looks like it will cost us dear.
ABSOLUTE BELL END.
Putting things into perspective, Fellaini will be suspended for 180 mins of football, but Steven Gerrard will get about 100 hours of community service. It’s a good trade-off.
Absolutely right, Robbie, it?s down to the players if we win and the managers if we loose. That just about sums up the meldrew lot on here. BELL END!
Just imagine how bad it would have been on here if we hadn’t just won our 5th game in six matches?
The manager is now a "bell end" because he didn’t take off his influential midfielder.....priceless
The manager is now a "bell end" because he didn’t take off his influential midfielder.....priceless
Come on! You Moyes knockers are living in cloud cuckoo land, the man has performed miracles since he came to Everton. Anyone who knows anything about the game would agree with that. Yes I would have taken Felli off and was annoyed he didn?t do it, but for goodness sake decisions wouldn?t be a problem if we all saw things the same way and there IS an argument that he starts with a clean sheet now and is available for Arsenal (we CAN overhall them) and United. Wake up and smell the coffee and be careful what you wish for, who would we get if Moyes went elsewhere? Nobody even remotely available could get what Moyes gets out of severely limited resources.
Yeah its a shame he's suspended for the tie, but the be-all and end-all of it is.... the lad has gotta LEARN!!!! END OF! He still got himself into 3 or 4 dodgy incidents before he got booked, and anyone see him elbow one of their players before a corner????
Sure Moyes could have taken him off, but the fact of the matter is we still needed 3 points, and as for the wall collapsing for Arteta's goal, fucking hell mate credit where credit due, and if it did collapse... WHO GIVES A FUCK!!!!!!!
I sat in my seat at half-time, nursing my hot chocolate, praying that Moyes would surely sub him off and put Anichibe on up front, to hold the ball up and cause the Hull back 4 some problems. I couldn't believe it when Screech came back out.
Poor decision-making when we were comfortable at 2-0 up.
Poor decision-making when we were comfortable at 2-0 up.
Robbie Muldoon, It?s a very odd time to be steaming drunk, dinner time Sunday or at least I assume that is the cause of your irrational outburst. Dithering; indecisive and inability to see the bigger picture? With the exception of the four Hibbert, Osman & Anichebe and Rodwell who came up through the youth side; the entire team and bench fielded yesterday had been bought to the club by the manager. Mostly plucked from obscurity and given their chance in a team that won yesterday, thanks to the players, yes undoubtedly, but also thanks to the vision of Moyes, his tactics and team selection. Six game unbeaten, four back to back victory and six consecutive clean sheets; sack Moyes!
Anichebe is a good player, he shown us that, he is just not in form. Fellaini has scored four goals as has Cahill & Osman, whilst Arteta has five; Fellaini is not our sole source of goals and until yesterday had not scored since October.
The money Moyes made from the sale of Johnson helped pay for Fellaini. No one knew Saha and Vaughan would get injuries putting them out for most of the season; your answer is an inexhaustible amount of first team strikers is it; that?s a happy squad.
And as for your last comment, Muldoon why don?t you just grow up and grow a pair.
Anichebe is a good player, he shown us that, he is just not in form. Fellaini has scored four goals as has Cahill & Osman, whilst Arteta has five; Fellaini is not our sole source of goals and until yesterday had not scored since October.
The money Moyes made from the sale of Johnson helped pay for Fellaini. No one knew Saha and Vaughan would get injuries putting them out for most of the season; your answer is an inexhaustible amount of first team strikers is it; that?s a happy squad.
And as for your last comment, Muldoon why don?t you just grow up and grow a pair.
Our prority is a top six finish and the league. Fellaini was only one booking away from a ban so why not use a cup game? I know it's Liverpool but we would have played more defensively anyway so with Yobo and Castillo approaching fitness we have loads of options in mid-field with Tim as a loan striker. This then gives us Felli for the long push home. I would even suggest that this has been a crafty move by Moysey!!!!!!!! coyb.
Robbie Muldoon, your post has cheered me up no end. Great piece of satire lad! You perfectly captured the increasingly irrational ramblings of some of the posters on this site.
In particular: "I have the utmost respect for the players out on the pitch putting in the graft over the last 6 weeks they have been absolutely awesome, and I lay all the credit with them not Moyes. They are performing well despite Moyes."
That?s priceless mate.
In particular: "I have the utmost respect for the players out on the pitch putting in the graft over the last 6 weeks they have been absolutely awesome, and I lay all the credit with them not Moyes. They are performing well despite Moyes."
That?s priceless mate.
Jimmy Cochrane, "that this has been a crafty move by Moysey!!!!!!!! "
Sums up the Moyes lovers on here, in all their glory. I did not think it was possible, for so many people to have their tounge so far up one man's arse. The Moyes lovers are yes voters for Kirkby as well, I believe. If we end up there you can have your club as far as am concerned, take your Moyesiah with you too, your vision for Everton disgusts me and is a disgrace to our once great club's traditions. I?d rather live one day as a Lion than a Million as a mouse! Moyes is the mouse.
Sums up the Moyes lovers on here, in all their glory. I did not think it was possible, for so many people to have their tounge so far up one man's arse. The Moyes lovers are yes voters for Kirkby as well, I believe. If we end up there you can have your club as far as am concerned, take your Moyesiah with you too, your vision for Everton disgusts me and is a disgrace to our once great club's traditions. I?d rather live one day as a Lion than a Million as a mouse! Moyes is the mouse.
Why don?t we urge Davy Moyes just to play Fellaini in 4 games a season? then he?ll never get banned! ..... It?s Fellaini?s awkward style that gets him booked, not Moyes! He does have some self control, he never looks like getting sent off after an initial booking!
Some of the posts on this thread have lead me to revisit one of my most enduring memories of the Grand Old Lady. In the late fifties and throughout the sixties I used to stand with a gang of mates in the old Park End, over towards the Bullens paddock side. Right down in the front by the corner flag, there always stood a bloke much older than us (probably about 35-40 then) He had fiery red hair and was always decked out in the colours and wore a rosette for every game and not just a cup final!
I remember this bloke, who most people called ?ginger?, because Everton could never do anything right for him. Whether it was Dave Hickson, Brian Labone, Alex Young, Bally, all were there for him to abuse. We beat Southampton 8-0 during a snow storm in 1969 (I think) and ?ginger? even shouted abuse at the lads in blue for taking the mickey out of Southampton and screaming that they were only scoring because the snow was blowing in their goalies? face!
Most people reckoned he was just doo-lally (which I took to mean mentally ill) and there was always a little ?no-go? area that formed around him. Despite wearing the colours and despite always being already in the ground no matter how early anybody else got there, his sole purpose in being there was to gripe, whinge and abuse.
While most of us learned to simply ignore him, there were a number of occasions when fellow blues came pretty close to lamping him and he was that frustrating kind of bloke who would only egg people on to do exactly that! But as far as I know nobody actually ever did.
I lost track of him after that as I moved on to my first season ticket in the then new main stand and gradually he ceased to be an issue for me but I did always wonder what perverse reason he had for going to Goodison. Complaining is fine if you have something to complain about but 9 points ahead of Leeds and heading towards the Championship and yet to him the Blues were a load of shite, Bally was a whinging, dirty little squirrel who should be sent off every game and.... do you know what....Gordon West is a fucking queer! Because ginger knew.
It?s highly likely that poor old ginger has gone to meet his maker now, but his spirit lives on, just a little, in these pages. It was a good performance yesterday. Our play and the result sent me home happy. Tainted by Felli?s booking yes, but happy nevertheless. We played some good stuff. But ginger?s descendants have found reason to complain. Three points and some good stuff are not good enough for them and Mikey?s goal, for some, has to be lucky (my arse!)
There is just no pleasing some people is there? Welcome home ginger.
I remember this bloke, who most people called ?ginger?, because Everton could never do anything right for him. Whether it was Dave Hickson, Brian Labone, Alex Young, Bally, all were there for him to abuse. We beat Southampton 8-0 during a snow storm in 1969 (I think) and ?ginger? even shouted abuse at the lads in blue for taking the mickey out of Southampton and screaming that they were only scoring because the snow was blowing in their goalies? face!
Most people reckoned he was just doo-lally (which I took to mean mentally ill) and there was always a little ?no-go? area that formed around him. Despite wearing the colours and despite always being already in the ground no matter how early anybody else got there, his sole purpose in being there was to gripe, whinge and abuse.
While most of us learned to simply ignore him, there were a number of occasions when fellow blues came pretty close to lamping him and he was that frustrating kind of bloke who would only egg people on to do exactly that! But as far as I know nobody actually ever did.
I lost track of him after that as I moved on to my first season ticket in the then new main stand and gradually he ceased to be an issue for me but I did always wonder what perverse reason he had for going to Goodison. Complaining is fine if you have something to complain about but 9 points ahead of Leeds and heading towards the Championship and yet to him the Blues were a load of shite, Bally was a whinging, dirty little squirrel who should be sent off every game and.... do you know what....Gordon West is a fucking queer! Because ginger knew.
It?s highly likely that poor old ginger has gone to meet his maker now, but his spirit lives on, just a little, in these pages. It was a good performance yesterday. Our play and the result sent me home happy. Tainted by Felli?s booking yes, but happy nevertheless. We played some good stuff. But ginger?s descendants have found reason to complain. Three points and some good stuff are not good enough for them and Mikey?s goal, for some, has to be lucky (my arse!)
There is just no pleasing some people is there? Welcome home ginger.
Great storry Dave
Just imagine the vitriol and bile if Felli had been taken off and Hull got back to 2-2 (like Newcastle did)
He had to think of the current game. Felli was going to get booked at some point and the good thing is that he misses 1 cup game and 1 league game instead of 2 league games.
He had to think of the current game. Felli was going to get booked at some point and the good thing is that he misses 1 cup game and 1 league game instead of 2 league games.
Yet again we have to endure the Moyes apologists trying to defend the indefensible.
The man is a moron.
2-0 up against a shocking Hull side and he leaves Fellainin on. Moronic.
That aside, any club behaving professionally would have mad sure Screech got himself a yellow card in the last 5 mins against Sunderland, thereby missing Macclesfield and Hull and being available for RS, FA Cup, Arsenal and Man U.
Our fightback against Man U earlier this year was sparked by something the physio said. We are doing well without strikers at present when the team more or less picks itself. Common element? - when Moyes has no decision to make we thrive, but when he makes one he gets it wrong.
He’s naive in the extreme and will never manage a top-four team unless he starts to learn a lot faster than he is at present.
The man is a moron.
2-0 up against a shocking Hull side and he leaves Fellainin on. Moronic.
That aside, any club behaving professionally would have mad sure Screech got himself a yellow card in the last 5 mins against Sunderland, thereby missing Macclesfield and Hull and being available for RS, FA Cup, Arsenal and Man U.
Our fightback against Man U earlier this year was sparked by something the physio said. We are doing well without strikers at present when the team more or less picks itself. Common element? - when Moyes has no decision to make we thrive, but when he makes one he gets it wrong.
He’s naive in the extreme and will never manage a top-four team unless he starts to learn a lot faster than he is at present.
So is Feillani suspended then?
I think its really pathetic that people seem to take any opportunity to slate Moyes. We are sixth in the league we we have finished 4, 5, 6 and 7th in four of the last 6 seasons since Moyes took over. In the six years prior to him our best four positions were 13, 14 and15th twice.
Whether Moyes would have taken Fellaini off or not, Fellaini would have almost certainly have got a booking in his next match and still missed games against top four opposition. I would rather he missed both Liverpool games as if we draw against Liverpool in the cup, it is not two points lost as it would be if we draw any of the Premier League games.
Whether Moyes would have taken Fellaini off or not, Fellaini would have almost certainly have got a booking in his next match and still missed games against top four opposition. I would rather he missed both Liverpool games as if we draw against Liverpool in the cup, it is not two points lost as it would be if we draw any of the Premier League games.
I personally think he will be better suited for the Arsenal and Man Utd games anyway as he will ruffle Arsenal's feathers and he has already done so to Man Utd earlier this season.
Derbies being the way they are, we can take Liverpool without Fellaini. We just need Pip Neville to do a Ronaldo on Gerrard early on to fire up the boys.
I’ve never seen so many comments on one aspect of a game - shows we care I guess. I don’t think it was a foul. Fellaini went for a high ball, which he controlled as the Hull player was coming in from the side i.e. after Fellaini had touched the ball. Fellaini’s eye was on the ball - where it should be. How can it be a foul ? Similarly in the Manure/Chel;sea game today a lot worse went unpunished. What is it with refs at Goodison ?
Steve Syder, I am glad there are people on here like you mate.
"That aside, any club behaving professionally would have mad sure Screech got himself a yellow card in the last 5 mins against Sunderland, thereby missing Macclesfield and Hull and being available for RS, FA Cup, Arsenal and Man U."
That is a fair point, but I can also see why Moyes would be reluctant to do it because of his SHITE record in the FA Cup and all that...
However, no matter what some of my fellow blues say on here, you cannot defend the manager in not taking Fellaini off at half time. You simply can?t.
I believe managers such as Harry Redknapp, Martin O?Neill, etc.. would have taken off a midfielder who is proving quite key in the teams performances, to enable his availability for the derby game next.
I had my doubts over Fellaini when we signed him, I still don?t believe he is worth £15m but he is definitely settling in now and finding his feet. The fact that he will miss both derbies is gut wrenching and really took the shine off the win for me.
This is a quote from Moyes taken from the BBC:
And manager David Moyes admitted that he should have replaced Fellaini.
"I made the decision, and if we could have got through 15 minutes or so we would have taken him off," said Moyes.
WHY NOT JUST DO IT AT HALF TIME YOU FUCKING DITHERING TWAT???
When has Moyes ever made a sub at half time? I can never remeber one. Is it some kind of Moyes maxim, thou shall never make a sub at half time? Sort it out, it is poor decisions like this that is costing us!
We should be ahead of Villa, and it makes me sick to see them replacing us as the ones making a crack at the top four. I have ambition for this club, I know it is possible to crack the top four coz I have seen us do it in recent times, with this manager!
I am not happy playing for a place in that Uefa Cup. It is a competition which places too much strain on a thin squad like ours and you pay for it in league points.
This club needs money, it needs to get in the top four, it needs leaders who have the vision and ambition to take us there. Some of you may be happy that we are no longer relegation fodder, but I will never be happy with that.
"That aside, any club behaving professionally would have mad sure Screech got himself a yellow card in the last 5 mins against Sunderland, thereby missing Macclesfield and Hull and being available for RS, FA Cup, Arsenal and Man U."
That is a fair point, but I can also see why Moyes would be reluctant to do it because of his SHITE record in the FA Cup and all that...
However, no matter what some of my fellow blues say on here, you cannot defend the manager in not taking Fellaini off at half time. You simply can?t.
I believe managers such as Harry Redknapp, Martin O?Neill, etc.. would have taken off a midfielder who is proving quite key in the teams performances, to enable his availability for the derby game next.
I had my doubts over Fellaini when we signed him, I still don?t believe he is worth £15m but he is definitely settling in now and finding his feet. The fact that he will miss both derbies is gut wrenching and really took the shine off the win for me.
This is a quote from Moyes taken from the BBC:
And manager David Moyes admitted that he should have replaced Fellaini.
"I made the decision, and if we could have got through 15 minutes or so we would have taken him off," said Moyes.
WHY NOT JUST DO IT AT HALF TIME YOU FUCKING DITHERING TWAT???
When has Moyes ever made a sub at half time? I can never remeber one. Is it some kind of Moyes maxim, thou shall never make a sub at half time? Sort it out, it is poor decisions like this that is costing us!
We should be ahead of Villa, and it makes me sick to see them replacing us as the ones making a crack at the top four. I have ambition for this club, I know it is possible to crack the top four coz I have seen us do it in recent times, with this manager!
I am not happy playing for a place in that Uefa Cup. It is a competition which places too much strain on a thin squad like ours and you pay for it in league points.
This club needs money, it needs to get in the top four, it needs leaders who have the vision and ambition to take us there. Some of you may be happy that we are no longer relegation fodder, but I will never be happy with that.
I have not had the chance to read through all this string but a soon as Fellaini picked up the yellow card, what I call the the Mr Jeckyll part of my brain assigned to processing my opinions Mr Moyes cames up with the following rationale:
1) the lad was going to miss the 2nd game against the Shite, guranteed
2) what would be more devastating to our current momentum, subbing Fellaini and letting Hull back into the game and getting a result or the more predictable outcome, losing both games at Anfield
3) Our season seems to have been sparked by resisting adversity (scoring without any strikers, disappointment after Villa).......let?s win both games at Anfield without Screech and march on to the end of the season!
4) the lad indeed must learn to be more careful
By the way, the Dr Hyde part of my brain said " Davey, what the fuck are you thinking?"
Addendum: please, no more Anichebe.
1) the lad was going to miss the 2nd game against the Shite, guranteed
2) what would be more devastating to our current momentum, subbing Fellaini and letting Hull back into the game and getting a result or the more predictable outcome, losing both games at Anfield
3) Our season seems to have been sparked by resisting adversity (scoring without any strikers, disappointment after Villa).......let?s win both games at Anfield without Screech and march on to the end of the season!
4) the lad indeed must learn to be more careful
By the way, the Dr Hyde part of my brain said " Davey, what the fuck are you thinking?"
Addendum: please, no more Anichebe.
Why do we all sound like this today?
Yes Fellaini gets his 10th booking and he is out of the Derby. So what?
Everton are no longer a ONE MAN team. We are a REAL TEAM here. It doesn’t matter whether Fellaini is out or not, but we all gotta get behind Moyes and the Team for the next 2 important matches.
Come on guys.
Yes Fellaini gets his 10th booking and he is out of the Derby. So what?
Everton are no longer a ONE MAN team. We are a REAL TEAM here. It doesn’t matter whether Fellaini is out or not, but we all gotta get behind Moyes and the Team for the next 2 important matches.
Come on guys.
Maybe Moyes had decided that Fellaini was not going to play any part of the two games against the shite. Those games will be played at a frantic pace, he would most certainly have been carded.
Looking at it is this some clever ploy by DM, the shite will be expecting Victor and hoofball. Maybe they are in for a surprise... maybe not in the League game ? but the cup match could be another thing.
A point in the league and knock them out of the cup. Now that would be a great start to the new Year. And for the record I could not accept anything less than not to be beaten in these games, which could make our season and fuck theirs.
I can?t have what I?m reading here on these pages !! Why is Moyes taking a hammering? I am really struggling with this one!
I have 3 parts to this post.
1st, In my opinion, Moyes was correct to leave the Big Fella on and not sub him because he might miss the derby as the match was not won at half time. Newcastle anyone??
2nd, Fellaini would have been booked at Anfield for sure as the ref would have had Stevie G la and Carra in his fucking ear from the word go. Then he would have missed a massive home game against Arsenal, which with Fellaini is a very winnable game. And this is vital as it's sandwiched in between a derby and the Mancs away.
3rd, Is this the same Fellaini that people on these pages couldn?t wait to write off and call useless after about 20 minutes!!! All of a sudden we can?t do without him? What is going on with some of our supporters?? Mind you abusing Barmby yesterday made me question AGAIN just how intelligent some of our fans really are!! This shite player left 9 years ago after a good 6 months so why embarrass ourselves (a la Benitez ) by stooping so low???
I am by the way not a Moyes apologist but on this occasion I fully backed him. Now let?s enjoy our rise up the table and a trip to Wembley !!
Nil Satis
I have 3 parts to this post.
1st, In my opinion, Moyes was correct to leave the Big Fella on and not sub him because he might miss the derby as the match was not won at half time. Newcastle anyone??
2nd, Fellaini would have been booked at Anfield for sure as the ref would have had Stevie G la and Carra in his fucking ear from the word go. Then he would have missed a massive home game against Arsenal, which with Fellaini is a very winnable game. And this is vital as it's sandwiched in between a derby and the Mancs away.
3rd, Is this the same Fellaini that people on these pages couldn?t wait to write off and call useless after about 20 minutes!!! All of a sudden we can?t do without him? What is going on with some of our supporters?? Mind you abusing Barmby yesterday made me question AGAIN just how intelligent some of our fans really are!! This shite player left 9 years ago after a good 6 months so why embarrass ourselves (a la Benitez ) by stooping so low???
I am by the way not a Moyes apologist but on this occasion I fully backed him. Now let?s enjoy our rise up the table and a trip to Wembley !!
Nil Satis
Isn’t it obvious yet? The next 4 games are RS twice, Arsenal and Man Utd. Moyes knows we are going to win the next 2, so opts to get the inevitable suspension out the way and have him back ready to go against the big teams.
Haha....
Tony Lockett... your answer is the BEST by far today.
I totally agree with you!!!
Tony Lockett... your answer is the BEST by far today.
I totally agree with you!!!
David Waring, Steve Syder
If Fellaini got booked in the Sunderland game (played on 28 Dec, Sun), he will still be available for the FA Cup match (3 Jan, Sat) due to the 7-day rule and will miss the league derby anyway. And we don?t know we?ll meet RS in the cup back then, so it?ll be a strange decision to get him a yellow card and miss him for 2 league games.
If Fellaini got booked in the Sunderland game (played on 28 Dec, Sun), he will still be available for the FA Cup match (3 Jan, Sat) due to the 7-day rule and will miss the league derby anyway. And we don?t know we?ll meet RS in the cup back then, so it?ll be a strange decision to get him a yellow card and miss him for 2 league games.
On the Arteta training-ground lucky free-kick routine... it’s a long time since I and the rows in front of me in the Lower Gwladys ducked out of the way as the ball hit the net!
Lads, Football's a funny old game. In 8 days time we?ll be grinning from ear to ear, basking in the glory of a long awaited victory at Anfield over the RS ? inspired by one Dan Gosling, who without this booking would not have even got a kick.
Just wait and see.
Just wait and see.
Lads having read through the many posts above one thing is clear, we all enjoyed the win but we’re worried about the next fixture.
Well consider this.
How many times have we watched (in delight) the RS spurn chances to do better in the league over the past decade, when they chose to rest or drop players because they had an eye on the next match?
One game at a time is the way to reach your targets. If you knew your history... you might agree.
This is the best team Everton in over 20 years. Even without Fellaini & the Yak we still have enough in us to keep winning. The next two games are derbies, we are Everton, we know how to fight & we will beat them. No one wants to play us at the moment. Hull have upset a lot of teams this year but we humbled them on Saturday. We ended Arry Redknobs Spurs winning streak. With no strikers.
Forget all the whinging about Fellaini because come Monday evening it won’t matter a bit.
Arteta to shine again, 1 nil the Toffees.
Now stop slagging off one of the best managers in Premier League history because one decision does not make him the greatest or worst, the last 6 years of joy he’s brought back to us is all that counts. I hope he’s in charge for another 6 at the very least.
Well consider this.
How many times have we watched (in delight) the RS spurn chances to do better in the league over the past decade, when they chose to rest or drop players because they had an eye on the next match?
One game at a time is the way to reach your targets. If you knew your history... you might agree.
This is the best team Everton in over 20 years. Even without Fellaini & the Yak we still have enough in us to keep winning. The next two games are derbies, we are Everton, we know how to fight & we will beat them. No one wants to play us at the moment. Hull have upset a lot of teams this year but we humbled them on Saturday. We ended Arry Redknobs Spurs winning streak. With no strikers.
Forget all the whinging about Fellaini because come Monday evening it won’t matter a bit.
Arteta to shine again, 1 nil the Toffees.
Now stop slagging off one of the best managers in Premier League history because one decision does not make him the greatest or worst, the last 6 years of joy he’s brought back to us is all that counts. I hope he’s in charge for another 6 at the very least.
David Moyes hasn?t achieved his position or status amonst his peers by pure good luck, it's by hard work and dedication that he?s pulled this club up by it?s bootstraps from our lofty position of perennial relegation contenders to where we are now. I know that?s not good enough for some of you, but playing like the 1970 Brazil team every week is even beyond the Big Clubs like Spurs and the Barcodes and even the mighty Man Citteh!
So some of you disagree with his decision? Tough, its done now! So get on wiih it, ?cos you can bet your arse that?s what he?s doing!
So some of you disagree with his decision? Tough, its done now! So get on wiih it, ?cos you can bet your arse that?s what he?s doing!
I feel sorry for Moyes, nobody slagged Howard Kendall when Claus Thomsen got suspended.......
Hey anyone, if you’re struggling to read this entire thread, can I suggest if you just pick one post you scroll up and find the one by "Dave Roberts" and his ’Ginger’ fella.
Deserves a section itself does that - we all know a ginger - there are enough of them on here!
Deserves a section itself does that - we all know a ginger - there are enough of them on here!
Michael Kenrick - I’ve recently seen a number of posts from you complaining (justifiably) when a pro-Moyes person (for lack of a better term) accuses an anti-Moyes person (again for lack of a better term) of not being a true blue for having that opinion. You’ve mentioned this more than once as being way out of line and not allowed and you’ve made a point to comment on it numerous times.
Yet here (in a thread I know you’re reading as you’ve responding a couple of times) Declan (anti-Moyes) calls someone (pro-Moyes) not a true blue because of their opinion and not a word from you.
So is it really a violation to play the "not a true blue" card; or do you only point it out when it suits your agenda that the pro-Moyes lot are out of line?
For the record it’s not the first time I’ve seen the anti-Moyes (again for lack of a better term) call people not a true blue and not be called out for it.
Still, no consistency with "officials" is hardly surprising. You may think it’s unfair to expect you to delete or comment on every out of line post but in fairness you started it and just only seem to "enforce" it when it fits your side.
For the record I don’t think any side need ever resort to the "not a true blue" card -- it’s ridiculous and counter-productive.
Yet here (in a thread I know you’re reading as you’ve responding a couple of times) Declan (anti-Moyes) calls someone (pro-Moyes) not a true blue because of their opinion and not a word from you.
So is it really a violation to play the "not a true blue" card; or do you only point it out when it suits your agenda that the pro-Moyes lot are out of line?
For the record it’s not the first time I’ve seen the anti-Moyes (again for lack of a better term) call people not a true blue and not be called out for it.
Still, no consistency with "officials" is hardly surprising. You may think it’s unfair to expect you to delete or comment on every out of line post but in fairness you started it and just only seem to "enforce" it when it fits your side.
For the record I don’t think any side need ever resort to the "not a true blue" card -- it’s ridiculous and counter-productive.
Its not a coincidence he gets booked all the time, is it lads, eh!!? Do you even watch him play? He lumbers up behind people over & over again and just stumbles into tackles from behind constantly so he?s bound to get booked.
He was warned after only 14 minutes on Saturday so it amazed me he made it to the 2nd half before getting booked. The bloke's been booked in something like 10 out of 20 games, that's some ratio!
He needs to learn not to get booked as DM says; he had the same ?problem? in Belgium and complained he was being singled out by referees because he?s big/has big hair ? well I think that's bollocks, he get's singled out because he fouls people all the time!
It's his own fault and not the manager's, get over it, there are 10 other people in the team remember and we?ve beaten the RS with inferior teams to theirs many times in the past.
With or without him, they?re better than us but that wont stop us going there on the back of a 6 game unbeaten, 6 games no goals conceded run which should inspire both fans & players alike.
Up the blues.
He was warned after only 14 minutes on Saturday so it amazed me he made it to the 2nd half before getting booked. The bloke's been booked in something like 10 out of 20 games, that's some ratio!
He needs to learn not to get booked as DM says; he had the same ?problem? in Belgium and complained he was being singled out by referees because he?s big/has big hair ? well I think that's bollocks, he get's singled out because he fouls people all the time!
It's his own fault and not the manager's, get over it, there are 10 other people in the team remember and we?ve beaten the RS with inferior teams to theirs many times in the past.
With or without him, they?re better than us but that wont stop us going there on the back of a 6 game unbeaten, 6 games no goals conceded run which should inspire both fans & players alike.
Up the blues.
Moyes got it wrong, it?s as simple as that really. The fact of the matter is that we were 2 goals ahead of an inferior team. Hull were useless and anyone could see that the game was all but won. Of course, it is true that we get Fellaini back for another 2 huge games, which is great news.
But here is the thing, we?re on a great unbeaten run and the momentum going into the RS matches is huge. Now that we?ve lost Fellaini, I believe that that momentum has been damaged, since the Big Fella is now a very important player. If we lose these games, arguably because Fellaini was not there, we lose that momentum. Hence, we go into the United and Arsenal games on a losing streak, and what is worse, a losing streak against a Sky 4 team. Again, it was a terrible decision by Moyes, and he should not be defended for it.
So we can quit arguing about it now that I have cleared this matter up once and for all.
Heath, I’m generally in agreement with on the "true blue" nonsense. But it’s impossible to draw hard and fast lines... and I think this one may just be "the exception that proves the rule". A week before two mighty derbies, and someone writes in "I?d rather lose to Liverpool in the Derby". Hmm... not the best thing to say to many an Evertonian who still believes defeat to the old enemy is the nadir of our current existence Even he was simply making a point about points accrual in the league, that is pretty much a red rag to a bull.
I think Declan responded in a reasonable way considering the passionate reaction this no doubt generated, and taking into account the rest of his posts, which are passionate and fully committed to the Blue cause, but not abusive. It’s not something I would have said, and I do discourage anyone contributing to avoid the whole issue of trying to best each other. It happens in many other ways though. The most common recently is "If you think that, you clearly don’t know anything about football..." Snide comments like this really aren’t necessary to get your point across.
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Fellaini showed how crucial he is to our goalscoring, with Arteta getting extremely lucky again that the Hull wall dodged out of the way to let his strike through easily. Can't see Liverpool doing that somehow... but ya never know.