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Anichebe the robber
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It's hard to believe this type of thing still happens. It is so laughable that it reminded me of a Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch where the PC had been arresting people for walking on the cracks in the pavement, possession of black curly hair and thick lips ("These wouldn't have been black people by any chance?" asked the Sargeant).
I'm glad to see that Vic has come out strongly and given that it's on the OS I'm guessing it's with club backing. Probably won't do himself any favours with some people or the old Bill for mentioning the race issue but good on him I say for speaking out against this ridiculous behaviour.
Ciaran Duff, Posted 12/03/2009 at 18:28:51
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Michael Kenrick
Shocking case of "racial profiling". Obviously it still happens. Ain't ya gotta love our plod: yer guilty until proven innocent... At least they didn't get eight bullets in the head so I suppose we should be grateful.
Aabsolutely fabulous statement Victor has written in response to the incident in Knutsford. He is my man of the season.
I have thought from the start that we are missing the point. Here is how the conversation went down:
Cop: What are you gentlemen doing here?
Vic: Just looking
Cop: Where are you from?
Vic: Liverpool
Cop (nervously): What do you do there in Liverpool?
Vic: I am a professional footballer.
Cop (scared, wishing he had a large gun): I am going to have to ask you to make no sudden movements and prove to me that you have no interaction with that thug Stevie G.
Okay, maybe not, but I have been wanting to make that joke since I saw the report...
Cop: What are you gentlemen doing here?
Vic: Just looking
Cop: Where are you from?
Vic: Liverpool
Cop (nervously): What do you do there in Liverpool?
Vic: I am a professional footballer.
Cop (scared, wishing he had a large gun): I am going to have to ask you to make no sudden movements and prove to me that you have no interaction with that thug Stevie G.
Okay, maybe not, but I have been wanting to make that joke since I saw the report...
An absolute stupid question from Anichebe. It seems that it is something of an obligatory to "pull the racist card" whenever theese things happen. Does he think he is the first professional footballer to be handled by the police? I believe Duncan Ferguson was the first player to be sentenced to jail from an on-field incident. Was that because he was white? Did he ask the judge if he had been treated differently if he had been black?
Kevin- what on earth are you on about? Of course Vic was right to ask the race question. Ever heard of racial profiling? Don?t think Big Dunc would have been hassled by the fuzz over the same situation somehow so your comparison just doesn?t make any sense at all.
In case you are wondering - I?m not black.
In case you are wondering - I?m not black.
Wayne Rooney is white and he was once nearly arrested looking at properties in London.
I bet he had a loud shirt on as well. You couldn’t make it up, I thought the police were past all that.
Keven and Simon....don’t be so naive
Now I know an Everton fan site is not the most appropriate place to discuss the tender topic of race, but I say good for Anichebe and the club for backing him. If half of what he said was true then the police were completely in the wrong, and should be ashamed of themselves for racial profiling.
Saying you don’t see race or saying other people shouldn’t or just ignoring it doesn’t solve the problem...and there is a problem no matter how much you deny it.
I have a lot to say on the matter but I won’t get into it here. I just hope my fellow Evertonians won’t fall into this "laissez-faire" frame of mind concerning racism.
Now I know an Everton fan site is not the most appropriate place to discuss the tender topic of race, but I say good for Anichebe and the club for backing him. If half of what he said was true then the police were completely in the wrong, and should be ashamed of themselves for racial profiling.
Saying you don’t see race or saying other people shouldn’t or just ignoring it doesn’t solve the problem...and there is a problem no matter how much you deny it.
I have a lot to say on the matter but I won’t get into it here. I just hope my fellow Evertonians won’t fall into this "laissez-faire" frame of mind concerning racism.
Good comment, Jimmy. The police have apologised themselves so it seems pretty odd that any Evertonians should take issue with Vic. He was only looking in a window, for God?s sake.
Jimmy, Sam - my sentiments exactly.
Keven - my apologies for spelling your name incorrectly!!!
Keven - my apologies for spelling your name incorrectly!!!
Apparently this particular jewellers is regularly visited by United players. The police just wanted to know how an Everton player can afford to shop there.
What some here have to recognize is that if the player concerned had been Rio Ferdinand, this incident would be headlines and on the BBC, all over the media with interviews etc etc. and phone-ins etc.
Radio 5 mentioned the incident earlier but gave no due prominence to it. Victor is obviously not high profile. He is black and the police here were acting in their usual instituionally racist manner. Michael has it about right ? at least he didn?t get a load of bullets to the head. Victor is not the problem ? the police, in an increasingly authoritarian society, are. This is appalling behaviour by the police and frankly, apologies are not enough ? disciplinary action against the officers and spokesman should be routine ? but won?t be!!!!
Radio 5 mentioned the incident earlier but gave no due prominence to it. Victor is obviously not high profile. He is black and the police here were acting in their usual instituionally racist manner. Michael has it about right ? at least he didn?t get a load of bullets to the head. Victor is not the problem ? the police, in an increasingly authoritarian society, are. This is appalling behaviour by the police and frankly, apologies are not enough ? disciplinary action against the officers and spokesman should be routine ? but won?t be!!!!
I?d like to see how this pans out if Big Dunc was in the place of Big Vic. He?d probably break some of the cops? bones with his crutches, as revenge for his own previous stint behind bars, and maybe get some of his pigeons to shit on their wooly hats.
Simon ? never heard 50-year-old women of the night called properties ? surely that has to be a typo????
The cops were enforcing a new policy with the jewellry shops in the area which were subjected to increased raids. If the CC dude sees people acting ?suspiciously? and they happen to be black... sorry, but they?re going to play the percentages and do some quick response (especially if it is black people who comitted the previous raids also).
It does remind me of another Not the 9 O?clock news sketch.... Gryff is a news presenter stating that a major armed bank robbery has taken place, highly proffesional and organised robbers with many thousands stolen... ?police are searching for a black youth?.
It does remind me of another Not the 9 O?clock news sketch.... Gryff is a news presenter stating that a major armed bank robbery has taken place, highly proffesional and organised robbers with many thousands stolen... ?police are searching for a black youth?.
At least Victor has a nickname now: ?Raffles?.
Not sure where I stand on this to be honest. On one hand there are the police who ? shock horror ? question 2 black man peering in a jewelry shop after a spate of heists. On the other hand there is no doubt that the 2 lads were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
I do think Vic needs to get off his high horse though as his "I?m a premiership footballer" response smacks of arrogance. The coppers made a mistake and no-one recognised you ? get over it, you?re not Malcolm X.
Gareth, while Vic may not be the world?s greatest diplomat, he does have a right to be pissed off. I don?t think in mentioning his job he was saying he expected to be recognised, he was just saying "I?m legitimate" albeit in a slightly clumsy way. To focus on the minutiae of an angry response is missing the point.
And the police didn?t just question them, they handcuffed Vic?s mate and confiscated his crutches!
And the police didn?t just question them, they handcuffed Vic?s mate and confiscated his crutches!
Sam has touched on the key point here, which everyone seems to be missing. The police tried to confiscate his crutches!!
The race issue is one thing, but the "racial profiling" was probably committed by the idiot that called the police in the first place. The police were just responding to a call-out.
The real issue to me is how on earth a policeman can think for a second that it is appropriate to try and confiscate a man’s crutches when he clearly needs them. It’s like trying to confiscate an elderley person’s zimmer frame! Utterly baffling - this can’t be standard police procedure can it??
The race issue is one thing, but the "racial profiling" was probably committed by the idiot that called the police in the first place. The police were just responding to a call-out.
The real issue to me is how on earth a policeman can think for a second that it is appropriate to try and confiscate a man’s crutches when he clearly needs them. It’s like trying to confiscate an elderley person’s zimmer frame! Utterly baffling - this can’t be standard police procedure can it??
Keven Spencer - The only thing that’s absolutely stupid is your comments. What kind of a brain is it that equates an arrest for physically assaulting someone with looking in a shop window (whilst on crutches).
Your response is so stupid that I can only assume you are a copper, or a racist, or indeed both. The idea that you are just naive doesn’t ring true, such was the idiocy of your comments.
Without a doubt the most pathetic comments I have ever read on TW.
As for others, such as Gareth Humphreys, who "are not sure where they stand on this to be honest". It’s simple. It is not illegal to window shop. Nor is it illegal to window shop in areas where there has even been a "spate of robberies". The fact is, whilst some police officers treat their obligations with sensitivity as well as vigour, and are capable of enquiring or conversing with other members of the human race without malice of forethought, sadly others see bogeymen everywhere and, most unofrtunately, even more so when the person being spoken to is black.
I have witnessed it even in my own sleepy backwaters of Sussex, and been utterly embarrassed when I have. I guess the police mirror society. There are decent ones and there are bigotted, intolerant, little (white) Englanders. It’s just that they have the capacity to fuck up someone’s day through their ignorance.
The idea that Anichebe was being arrogant by revealing that the police finally accepted he was a premierhsip footballer & not a robber says more about Gareth Humphreys et al than it does about Anichebe. The reality is, has the police not discovered who he actually was then he may well be still be in custody. That is the point & that is how it works.
I have to say the idea that, after such treatment, it is Anichebe that is getting stick from some people on this forum makes me feel sick. Having also read the police’s "apology" I can well see why Anichebe is less than impressed. The police statement is arrogant & matter of fact, given that they handcuffed oneman and tried to grab the crutches off another for doing, erm, nothing.
If it constitutes "acting suspiciously" to look in a jewellers window from outside then I suggest an obvious solution is not to have their windows open to the street. Keep the shutters down. Problem solved. Or, does it come back to who is looking into the window?
Your response is so stupid that I can only assume you are a copper, or a racist, or indeed both. The idea that you are just naive doesn’t ring true, such was the idiocy of your comments.
Without a doubt the most pathetic comments I have ever read on TW.
As for others, such as Gareth Humphreys, who "are not sure where they stand on this to be honest". It’s simple. It is not illegal to window shop. Nor is it illegal to window shop in areas where there has even been a "spate of robberies". The fact is, whilst some police officers treat their obligations with sensitivity as well as vigour, and are capable of enquiring or conversing with other members of the human race without malice of forethought, sadly others see bogeymen everywhere and, most unofrtunately, even more so when the person being spoken to is black.
I have witnessed it even in my own sleepy backwaters of Sussex, and been utterly embarrassed when I have. I guess the police mirror society. There are decent ones and there are bigotted, intolerant, little (white) Englanders. It’s just that they have the capacity to fuck up someone’s day through their ignorance.
The idea that Anichebe was being arrogant by revealing that the police finally accepted he was a premierhsip footballer & not a robber says more about Gareth Humphreys et al than it does about Anichebe. The reality is, has the police not discovered who he actually was then he may well be still be in custody. That is the point & that is how it works.
I have to say the idea that, after such treatment, it is Anichebe that is getting stick from some people on this forum makes me feel sick. Having also read the police’s "apology" I can well see why Anichebe is less than impressed. The police statement is arrogant & matter of fact, given that they handcuffed oneman and tried to grab the crutches off another for doing, erm, nothing.
If it constitutes "acting suspiciously" to look in a jewellers window from outside then I suggest an obvious solution is not to have their windows open to the street. Keep the shutters down. Problem solved. Or, does it come back to who is looking into the window?
Well said Alan!!!
Agreed Alan. The only thing remarkable about this thread is the amount of shock, surprise and disbelief that this happens. Do people like Kevin have no first hand experience of the police?? Perhaps you are lucky to live in a rural idyll where there's one local bobbie and he knows all your names and waves to you in the morning.
Next people will be saying they?ve never been treated differently by the filth once they have a football shirt on come match day!
Next people will be saying they?ve never been treated differently by the filth once they have a football shirt on come match day!
Zack i think your wrong when you say, "Don?t think Big Dunc would have been hassled by the fuzz over the same situation."
There was a similar incident down in London a few years back when Alan Stubbs and Wayne Rooney were put in a similar situation, yes it was prejudice but had nothing to do with Race.
Victor is a young 19- or 20-year-old lad, just like Wayne was at the time of his incodent, how many lads at that age are on the money they are on and could afford to be looking at expensive, items? If I wasn't a football fan and I hadn't heard of victor or Wayne, I would be suspicious to.
There was a similar incident down in London a few years back when Alan Stubbs and Wayne Rooney were put in a similar situation, yes it was prejudice but had nothing to do with Race.
Victor is a young 19- or 20-year-old lad, just like Wayne was at the time of his incodent, how many lads at that age are on the money they are on and could afford to be looking at expensive, items? If I wasn't a football fan and I hadn't heard of victor or Wayne, I would be suspicious to.
I would think that the police may have been put in a difficult position with the crutches: Imagine the scenario
Racist Plod - "Allo. allo. allo, what?s all this then?"
Vic - "Nothing officer, I am just looking at some watches"
Racist Plod - "Right that?s it, you?re nicked sonny me lad"
Vic - "Don?t you know who I am?"
Racist Plod - "Fuck me!, this blokes a nutter who doen?t know his own name, get his crutches lads before he attacks us with them"
Easily explained....
Racist Plod - "Allo. allo. allo, what?s all this then?"
Vic - "Nothing officer, I am just looking at some watches"
Racist Plod - "Right that?s it, you?re nicked sonny me lad"
Vic - "Don?t you know who I am?"
Racist Plod - "Fuck me!, this blokes a nutter who doen?t know his own name, get his crutches lads before he attacks us with them"
Easily explained....
I work with a lad who is mates with someone in the Altrincham plod. They pulled Anichebe over last September purely because he was a young black lad driving a big car.
I?m sure Vic gets a lot of shit off the police. He has every right to ask the race question because he knows full well that?s why he?s being targeted.
I?m sure Vic gets a lot of shit off the police. He has every right to ask the race question because he knows full well that?s why he?s being targeted.
Didn?t he have his leg in a cast? (I think the Guardian mentioned that...). Wouldn?t that make him one of the most incompetent robbers as a) he would be very distinguishable and b) couldn?t move very fast...
So Ian Tunny?.. two young men (one of whom is black), are looking in a jeweller's window ?- that "raises your suspicions" does it?. Are you really happy with that posting?
I wonder how long it will be before someone calls someone else a racist on this thread?
My post has is regardless of race but Victor has been trying to convince me he is a professional footballer for the last 3 or so seasons and I'm still struggling!
Police in institutionalised racism shocker!
I hope Big Vic is onto his solicitor sorting our a trepass against the person charge against these fine upstanding paragons of virtue...
Apology my Arse.
P.S some of the condonement on here - in the acrid flavour of ’Mr Plod was only doing his job’ - is way off. SInce when is it a crime to window shop?
I hope Big Vic is onto his solicitor sorting our a trepass against the person charge against these fine upstanding paragons of virtue...
Apology my Arse.
P.S some of the condonement on here - in the acrid flavour of ’Mr Plod was only doing his job’ - is way off. SInce when is it a crime to window shop?
The crutches thing still has me in stitches. Regardless of the race issue, the fact that the police thought that they would need to confiscate his crutches so he couldn’t escape is hilarious. How slow are the plod in that area that they can’t catch a man legging it on crutches (and in plaster, no less)? "He’s getting away! Very slowly! Someone comandeer a tricycle and get after him!"
?Bizzies? should have nicked him ?cos he?s not worth a carrot even when fit!
However his defence could have been ?theres no way I could hit that window with my crutch from here officer as I never hit the ?fuckin? target I?m aiming for!
However his defence could have been ?theres no way I could hit that window with my crutch from here officer as I never hit the ?fuckin? target I?m aiming for!
Alan Kirwin, would you mind enlightening me as to what Vic’s alleged arrogance or lack of says about me please??
I think its disgusting that some Everton fans seem to be placing the blame on Big Vic?s back. ?Liverpool European Capitol of Culture 2008? your having a laugh aren?t you, with the amount of small minded comments on her its a joke!!
Fucking hell why are people even bothered by this? He may have looked like a suspect responsible for the ?spate of robberies? in the area the police speak about?
What I find funny is Anichebe explaining to the police that he is a football player, playing for Everton haha. He could have kidded me...
What I find funny is Anichebe explaining to the police that he is a football player, playing for Everton haha. He could have kidded me...
When I was last dragged into Cheapside for ?skylarking, having long hair and wearing a non-civilian greatcoat? (honest!) I smugly said to the desk sergeant ?hang about pal, I work with you...? ? I meant to add ?lot? but unfortunately, said ?bastards?.
Buggar! was ages before I could play the mouth-organ again!
Buggar! was ages before I could play the mouth-organ again!
It?s surely the behaviour that was suspicious, NOT the looking in a window, i.e. their behaviour whilst looking in a window. There is no account in the reports I have seen or on this thread that describes what was suspicious about their behaviour. The absence of these facts does not prove that we either know the whole story or not.
If they were outside the shop for 5 mins, making repeated phone calls, pointing at the security camera, stepping back to the curb and looking at adjoining buildings, making more calls... then a member of the public or police might interpret their behaviour as suspicious. But it?s the shifty behaviour, NOT the looking through the window, that would result in their collars being felt. The media chose what facts they wish to publish and we debate it as if it's the whole truth.
Another more subtle point regarding what appears as racist and what does not. There is a comment above, which I am sure was well meant stated:
"especially if it is black people who committed the previous raids also"
This statement says to me "balck people commit raids"... what I think the contributor meant was...
"the raids were committed by people who were balck".
This might seem to be splitting hairs but the difference to me is significant and proves what an utter minefield this topic is. Though not one to be shyed away from as a result but one which you have to be careful over the use of inclusive and exclusive terms.
The phrase "taxi drivers in London are committing a string of crimes" clearly implies all taxi drivers. Better "a string of crimes are being committed across London, all of the suspected criminals are taxi drivers".
Finally I would have thought Victor could have established his identity within 10 seconds of being approached. Unless the police ran up and immediately handcuffed his friend then something else has occured here we are not being told, some other verbal exchange.
That's me done...
If they were outside the shop for 5 mins, making repeated phone calls, pointing at the security camera, stepping back to the curb and looking at adjoining buildings, making more calls... then a member of the public or police might interpret their behaviour as suspicious. But it?s the shifty behaviour, NOT the looking through the window, that would result in their collars being felt. The media chose what facts they wish to publish and we debate it as if it's the whole truth.
Another more subtle point regarding what appears as racist and what does not. There is a comment above, which I am sure was well meant stated:
"especially if it is black people who committed the previous raids also"
This statement says to me "balck people commit raids"... what I think the contributor meant was...
"the raids were committed by people who were balck".
This might seem to be splitting hairs but the difference to me is significant and proves what an utter minefield this topic is. Though not one to be shyed away from as a result but one which you have to be careful over the use of inclusive and exclusive terms.
The phrase "taxi drivers in London are committing a string of crimes" clearly implies all taxi drivers. Better "a string of crimes are being committed across London, all of the suspected criminals are taxi drivers".
Finally I would have thought Victor could have established his identity within 10 seconds of being approached. Unless the police ran up and immediately handcuffed his friend then something else has occured here we are not being told, some other verbal exchange.
That's me done...
Keven (?) Spencer, Simon McCulloch, Nick Entwistle, Gareth Humphreys, Ian Tunny ... are you lot all related to Kenneth Oxford?
As a Police Officer and a loyal Evertonian of many more years, I find some of the comments made here quite sickening. It is only right and proper that if it can be shown that those Officers acted in a racist manner then they be dealt with appropriately.
Nobody on here really knows what happened at the that scene, nobody really knows the intelligence that those Officers had, or what it was that caused somebody to contact the Police to make this complaint of suspicious behaviour. You only know one side of a story and the reported facts by the British press (and when have they ever let the truth get in the way of a good story).
It's true that the Police do generally reflect the views of society, but they also carry an enormous sense of responsibility with that. When mistakes are made, they are put on display for all to see, but this is because they are not as common as people them make out to be. Being labelled a racist because of the job that I do, is tantamount to calling Evertonians racist, as somebody once thad thrown a banana at John Barnes back in the eighties. As an organisation, arguably the Police are probably the most diverse body that you could come across. They, we, quite rightly have to be.
As for labelling the Police institutionally racist, well for those that have done, if you knew what the term really meant then you would also know that there are many other non Police related organisations that have admitted to being institutionally racist. So to use it as a tool to beat the Police with is misleading and potentially very malicious.
It would appear that Big Vic has behaved with a lot of dignity. He is right to ask the question regarding race, and also right to seek an apology as a minimum if it can be found that those Officers behaved inappropriatley.
Let's get on with the business of supporting our football club, and leave all the mud slinging to our crying foe across the park.
COYB. Everton for ever.
Police generally treat young people in a confrontational, aggressive and inappropiate way. Happens ALL the time and I’ve never had a police apology either!
You would think it would be easier for the police to just treat everyone the same. But its different rules and procedures for different people depending on their race, age, sex, class or wealth/celebrity status.
You would think it would be easier for the police to just treat everyone the same. But its different rules and procedures for different people depending on their race, age, sex, class or wealth/celebrity status.
You?re right... we don?t know what intelligence these officers had... But I would hazard a guess of close to zero.
As for your suggestion that I have no right to label the police as institutionally racist... Well, I think I?ve earned that right - having endured 30 years of profiling on the basis of my race in ferry terminals, airports and various other interfaces.
As for your suggestion that I have no right to label the police as institutionally racist... Well, I think I?ve earned that right - having endured 30 years of profiling on the basis of my race in ferry terminals, airports and various other interfaces.
"As for labelling the Police institutionally racist, well for those that have done, if you knew what the term really meant then you would also know that there are many other non Police related organisations that have admitted to being institutionally racist."
What, lol ?
What, lol ?
Z-car: the police do get a lot of shit thrown at them so I?m sure your comment is welcomed by most on here to supply a bit of balance.
To be fair though most of the debate above concerns not the officers in question but the apparent racism of some Everton supporters ? that?s certainly what?s got my goat anyway.
Regarding ?institutional racism?, I?m sure the term gets bandied around more than necessary but I?m sure you realise it?s ? sadly ? the bad guys that get remembered because they?re the ones that usually stick out. I don?t know if that applies in this instance because you make the salient point that we don?t know the whole facts. But from the little we DO know it doesn?t sound good.
To be fair though most of the debate above concerns not the officers in question but the apparent racism of some Everton supporters ? that?s certainly what?s got my goat anyway.
Regarding ?institutional racism?, I?m sure the term gets bandied around more than necessary but I?m sure you realise it?s ? sadly ? the bad guys that get remembered because they?re the ones that usually stick out. I don?t know if that applies in this instance because you make the salient point that we don?t know the whole facts. But from the little we DO know it doesn?t sound good.
Here’s a thought. Something simple that may have been overlooked.
What colour was the policeman’s skin?
This will make a whole lot of difference to the situation.
Makes you think!
What colour was the policeman’s skin?
This will make a whole lot of difference to the situation.
Makes you think!
I once got arrested and put in a cell for a night simply for being on the street at 2am. It was a cold night and I had gloves in my pocket and this was enough evidence to sugggest I had been robbing car stereos in the area.
When no further charges were pursued, the bastard cops just left a message on my answer phone, no apology whatsoever. Vic is lucky to have got anything off them.
I am a white British so I suppose the police are just institutionally stupid rather than racist.
When no further charges were pursued, the bastard cops just left a message on my answer phone, no apology whatsoever. Vic is lucky to have got anything off them.
I am a white British so I suppose the police are just institutionally stupid rather than racist.
Tony,
No difference whatsoever...
To suggest that jumping to moronic steroetypical conclusions is the sole remit of a certain skin tone... is naive.
No difference whatsoever...
To suggest that jumping to moronic steroetypical conclusions is the sole remit of a certain skin tone... is naive.
Great point Alan..
Institutionally stupid. Great.
Institutionally stupid. Great.
Steve Dunne, yes I think it would raise my suspicions if I knew what the police knew that that particular jewellers was a hot spot for robberies.
I have been the victim of similar circumstances myself by police, I think with some of them the power goes to their heads an they like to enforce their authority, that doesnt mean they are racists ? it just means they are dickheads.
The same thing goes for Wayne Rooney, who looks like a bit of a scally himself but I can see why he raised suspicion. It's wrong to judge I know but it's natural, all Victor had to do was co-operate with the police doing their job and not make such a fuss, this kind of thing goes on all the time to white and black alike.
I have been the victim of similar circumstances myself by police, I think with some of them the power goes to their heads an they like to enforce their authority, that doesnt mean they are racists ? it just means they are dickheads.
The same thing goes for Wayne Rooney, who looks like a bit of a scally himself but I can see why he raised suspicion. It's wrong to judge I know but it's natural, all Victor had to do was co-operate with the police doing their job and not make such a fuss, this kind of thing goes on all the time to white and black alike.
Ciaran, not naive at all.
It is the difference between the policeman being a racist or just being a twat.
It is the difference between the policeman being a racist or just being a twat.
As Bob said over 30 years ago, in Knutsford, that's just the way things go: if you?re black you may as well not show up on the street, less you wanna draw the heat...... Plus ca change.
It?s too easy to draw race issue conclusions here.
The fact that 2 young scousers probably dressed like scalls looking in the window of a very expensive jewellers in a very well to do village in Cheshire was enough to make the police suspicious. I?d be suspicious meself. End of. No-one, not even Victor, has the right to play the race card here,
I actually found it amusing as we all know what a spolit brat he is. I can just imagine his reaction to be like Kevin and Perry. ha ha
Incidentally I?d get rid of Victor ?billy big bollocks? in the summer. After his petulant outburst prior to the cup derby and general laziness on the pitch, Moyes should get rid.
The fact that 2 young scousers probably dressed like scalls looking in the window of a very expensive jewellers in a very well to do village in Cheshire was enough to make the police suspicious. I?d be suspicious meself. End of. No-one, not even Victor, has the right to play the race card here,
I actually found it amusing as we all know what a spolit brat he is. I can just imagine his reaction to be like Kevin and Perry. ha ha
Incidentally I?d get rid of Victor ?billy big bollocks? in the summer. After his petulant outburst prior to the cup derby and general laziness on the pitch, Moyes should get rid.
Nice one, Tony... now if only Vic was as good at football as the Hurricane was at boxing then we would all be happy.
It's totally pathetic pulling the race card. If the police feel suspicious about his actions whether it because he is acting like a criminal, or looks like the ones reported in that area, accept that it's the police's JOB to be vigilante. Anybody who defends Victor needs to look at it from the jewelery owner's and victim's point of view and ask, if the tables were turned, 20 mins inconvenience or your livelihood.. etc etc..
SPOILT BASTARD SPITTING HIS DUMMY OUT. PRAT
SPOILT BASTARD SPITTING HIS DUMMY OUT. PRAT
Where were the police when in front of 40,000 people Lescott was mugged, bum raped and left for dead by that tw@ Carragher. Must have been somewhwere else me thinks. 1=20
Si, why didn’t they just ask him who he was? The fella was on cructches FFS, what was he going to do? The jeweller has most probably lost a very valuable customer now which would have him helped no end in this current economic climate. The jeweller should demand an apology too.
Perhaps they thought he was The Jackal- that fuckin’ crutch nearly assassinated de Gaulle.Then again....
Z-Car, the filth are institutionally racist, just as you admit by saying they are as much as any other organisation. I hear and see racism every day, every company I’ve worked for. Problem with the filth is, theres no minimum educational requirement to join up (or is there now??) and the filth have ultimate power to wield. Bad recipe that. Big Vic was stopped because he is black. Just like when he was pulled over in his motor previously. That, to call a spade a spade, is racism.
Usual filth tactic if you want to arrest someone: get in their face, be patronising, condesending and insulting. When they react, nick ’em. I suppose the Birmingham Six have no complaints in your eyes... utter garbage post Z Car.
Usual filth tactic if you want to arrest someone: get in their face, be patronising, condesending and insulting. When they react, nick ’em. I suppose the Birmingham Six have no complaints in your eyes... utter garbage post Z Car.
You can only mock the Officers concerned on this one!
They take away a man’s crutches and handcuffed his friend. Think about that. Handcuffed his friend!! Why? They had not done anything wrong.
Whilst the Police have a hard job, they do themselves no favours with displays of such incompetence.
Big Vic has done the right thing here. The situation is so crazy as to be laughable, except it’s not funny for him or any other young coloured man who happens to want to look in a Jeweller’s window.
What next? They’ll be arresting people buying socks in Marks & Spencer at Destination Kirkby thinking they are ’ Kirkby sock robbers’............
They take away a man’s crutches and handcuffed his friend. Think about that. Handcuffed his friend!! Why? They had not done anything wrong.
Whilst the Police have a hard job, they do themselves no favours with displays of such incompetence.
Big Vic has done the right thing here. The situation is so crazy as to be laughable, except it’s not funny for him or any other young coloured man who happens to want to look in a Jeweller’s window.
What next? They’ll be arresting people buying socks in Marks & Spencer at Destination Kirkby thinking they are ’ Kirkby sock robbers’............
What colour Karl?
Green? Navy Blue? or shall we be PC and not institutionally racist by just saying black?
Joeynkoo Ludden
I take it you have been arrested and locked up? For the rest of us lawabidiing citizens, I’m quite happy to call them the police and I damn fine job they do too.
Green? Navy Blue? or shall we be PC and not institutionally racist by just saying black?
Joeynkoo Ludden
I take it you have been arrested and locked up? For the rest of us lawabidiing citizens, I’m quite happy to call them the police and I damn fine job they do too.
Sigh, where did it go all wrong for poor old Victor? First the spat on the training ground, then being on the end of a near career-ending challenge from Kevin Nolan, now being harassed by cops... All these ominous signs... you know what? I think there is a possibility he could be sold off in the summer.
Ian Langho.
I’m a law abiding citizen too but I can still perceive an injustice when it stares me in the face. I happen to know Knutsford quite well. I used to attend Court there quite regularly on behalf of young offenders. Despite being (on the face of it) a middle class and very affluent ’Cheshire town’, Knutsford has a major ’Yob’ problem. Given that Knutsford has an ethnic mix of virtually zero, this, and my own experience, tells me that this Knutsford Yob culture is entirely white.
Go to Knutsford if you can, especially in the evening, it can be quite intimidating.
The point I am making is that if this area has such a well known and obvious problem with white youth, would the police, or the jeweller in question, have taken the action they did if such white youths had been looking in the shop window? I doubt it because, given my experience of Knutsford, the police would be doing little else!
As for the fine job the police do, on the whole they probably do but that does not mean that individual officers cannot be racist arseholes.
I have no idea what Victor was doing in Knutsford but if he knows half as much about the place as I do I am not surprised he raised the race card. The police there have doing shit-all over many years to address the white Yob culture in the town but if a black lad looks in a jewellers shop window fascism breaks out!
I am a little concerned at some of the comments being expressed on this thread and I hope they are being expressed by a tiny minority.
I’m a law abiding citizen too but I can still perceive an injustice when it stares me in the face. I happen to know Knutsford quite well. I used to attend Court there quite regularly on behalf of young offenders. Despite being (on the face of it) a middle class and very affluent ’Cheshire town’, Knutsford has a major ’Yob’ problem. Given that Knutsford has an ethnic mix of virtually zero, this, and my own experience, tells me that this Knutsford Yob culture is entirely white.
Go to Knutsford if you can, especially in the evening, it can be quite intimidating.
The point I am making is that if this area has such a well known and obvious problem with white youth, would the police, or the jeweller in question, have taken the action they did if such white youths had been looking in the shop window? I doubt it because, given my experience of Knutsford, the police would be doing little else!
As for the fine job the police do, on the whole they probably do but that does not mean that individual officers cannot be racist arseholes.
I have no idea what Victor was doing in Knutsford but if he knows half as much about the place as I do I am not surprised he raised the race card. The police there have doing shit-all over many years to address the white Yob culture in the town but if a black lad looks in a jewellers shop window fascism breaks out!
I am a little concerned at some of the comments being expressed on this thread and I hope they are being expressed by a tiny minority.
Brian Lawless, "The fact that 2 young scousers probably dressed like scalls"... So the police knew they were scousers before they approached them did they? And what do you mean "probably" dressed like scalls, lets be honest here, you have no clue how they were dressed. You worry me far more than a couple kids looking through a jewelers window ever could.
I know hundreds/thousands of scousers, I also know a handful of thieves, I don't know anyone who?s both.
I know hundreds/thousands of scousers, I also know a handful of thieves, I don't know anyone who?s both.
Sorry, that should have been addressed to Brian Lawler.
Dave Roberts
And, as a lawabiding citizen, not one use of the word filth, in relation to the police in your post.
And, as a lawabiding citizen, not one use of the word filth, in relation to the police in your post.
There’s a lot been said already but I’ll throw my two penneth in anyway...
Should the police be suspicious of two young black ’youths’ peering into a jewellery shop window after a number of recent robberies? Yes.
Does this give the police the right to even SPEAK to the afore-mentioned people? No.
Until Victor and his mate had done something illegal the police should have no power to do absolutely anything. Forget handcuffing his mate and taking away Vic’s crutches, the police shouldn’t be allowed to even approach people!
I’ve been lucky so far but a hell of a lot of my friends (all aged 18-25 with perfectly clean driving licenses) have been stopped by traffic cops after doing absolutely nothing wrong just for ’spot checks.’ More people should take Vic’s attitude and tell the police, in those situations, where to shove it. Or better yet, not co-operate at all. Perhaps then the police would stop wasting their time harassing innocents.
Should the police be suspicious of two young black ’youths’ peering into a jewellery shop window after a number of recent robberies? Yes.
Does this give the police the right to even SPEAK to the afore-mentioned people? No.
Until Victor and his mate had done something illegal the police should have no power to do absolutely anything. Forget handcuffing his mate and taking away Vic’s crutches, the police shouldn’t be allowed to even approach people!
I’ve been lucky so far but a hell of a lot of my friends (all aged 18-25 with perfectly clean driving licenses) have been stopped by traffic cops after doing absolutely nothing wrong just for ’spot checks.’ More people should take Vic’s attitude and tell the police, in those situations, where to shove it. Or better yet, not co-operate at all. Perhaps then the police would stop wasting their time harassing innocents.
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