It's not rocket science; the players we have now are capable of doing this ? they have proven so on more than one occasion. But the hoof is the easier, safety-first option and in the hurly burly of the high-drama Premier League, that's all our players have the time or the inclination to do. Except for very brief fleeting moments... like the moves and passes that lead to three great late goals at Upton Park.

It just took them 80 minutes of dross to recover from the dreadful coaching and dreaded "work ethic" drummed into them all week before they could finally break free from the shackles and do what comes naturally. Wanna know who I blame for that? Thought not...

Now, surely, if it wasn?t down to Moyes, he would have done something about it? At the end of the day, 6½ yrs is a long time to remedy it.

1. Coaching; the old "when in doubt put it out" approach to management.

2. We are very weak in the middle of midfield. The only person that I have seen show for the ball this year has been Castillo and it doesn?t look like he?ll be getting too many more chances.

3. Our strikers are told to chase everything and run the channels until they can?t run any more and then they are replaced by a like-minded striker who is instructed to do the same. This is what has turned Beattie and AJ from England squad members to Championship-level strikers in their time with the club. Just for the record, the Yak looks like he?s getting pretty fed up with it as well and it wouldn?t surprise me if he is on his way shortly... Moyes even said it today that Saha has to get used to the Everton work ethic. If you get your strikers to work their nads off chasing lost causes then their potency in front of goal will decrease.

4. Moyes's tendency to single players out for public humiliation if they make a mistake which leads to a goal. Obviously there is more chance of making a mistake if you try to be creative than if you hoof it as far as you can....... but there is more chance of causing the opposition trouble as well.

Given that basic remit can you tell me just how "successful" David Moyes is? Don?t harp on about Walter Smith et al as the past is done and gone and any manager is only as good as the here and now, the football in the majority of occasions this season at Everton Football Club has been dreadful.

I?m not a miserable old get who isn?t grateful for the last three games and winning but surely even you can acknowledge all three were more good fortune than good football? I also don?t go with the breaking the bank to buy the league either as just how much did Collison and Sears cost West Ham and both are decidedly decent players able to play to a decent EPL standard.

Last season after the Clattenburg derby up to Christmas was the best football we have played in 20 years. I honestly couldn't live with being so pessimistic all the time. We?ve ground out 10 points from 12 and now we have a good home game on Sunday. Bring the crowd back, get Pienaar & Screech back in and you?ll see some footy. For me, it is Arteta that is the key weakness this season. Maybe 2 or 3 on the bench might be the best medicine for him.

Look at other teams... Chelsea have Deco, Essien, Ballack for Terry, Carvalho to pass short to. Arsenal have Fabregas. Man Utd Scholes and Carrick & Hargreaves when fit. Even Liverpool have Gerrard, Alonso & Masherano. All these players look to drop deep, pick up the ball, turn, and look who to pass to. PLAYMAKERS.

Osman and Fellaini are not playmakers and neither is Cahill. Forget more width and more strikers in Jan ? we need a central midfield playmaker. Sod this Egyptian striker. How many strikers do we need to fill Moyes?s preferred 1 up front? Pool all resources and put a decent package together and get Moutinho. Middle of the park this boy will make things happen. We all agree that Arteta and Pienaar are the most creative players we have but both are out on the wings and we are too predictable.

When we play the ball on the floor we look a half-decent side but it doesn?t happen often enough. OK, you can blame Moyes all you like, and fair play, he will hold his hands up and say that the buck stops with him, but if Jags has the ball at his feet it?s his choice what to do with it, Row K seems to be the only thought on his mind.

If Moyes thinks that this player is Osman, we are in trouble. Hardwork and the odd spectacular goal will only get you so far. Too lightweight for this position. As much as Carsley (and I don?t want to open the debate as to should we have kept him or right to let him go because he's gone!!) but his time was up and I think we should adjust the style of our football accordingly.

A midfield 4 with a player that drops to pick it up and seek the best option for the pass. Wide, onto the 2nd central mid or a ball for striker"S" to run onto. We have no-one with this vision in my opinion apart from Arteta. Maybe give him some games in the middle because I don?t want to wait any longer for him to play himself into any form on the wings.

The reason I think he has been a success so far is because he has undoubtably changed the expectations of the fans, he has totally changed the quality of the team and he has changed the quality of player we can attract. OK, we can't buy the world-class players we would all love but we certaintly don't buy the 30+ over the hill has beens any more.

Getting back to fans' expectations, I think this is the biggest downfall of Moyes. He gave us our pride back and reminded us of what it was like to challenge at the top end of the table; now we have hit a glass ceiling (which he has admitted) and can't break into the top four, people regard him as a failure. I?d like to know who you?s think would have done a better job.

Look I don't want you?s to think I'm in the same mindset as Richard Dodd because, believe me, I'm not. I give Moyes stick when he deserves it but what I don't do is try and convince people that Moyes is somehow harming our club. Yes, at the minute we are playing shite football and that's being kind... but Moyes is trying to turn our season round and he?s getting us wins any way he can. Surely no one thinks Moyes likes us playing this way anymore than we do. I think he will turn it round again as he has done before and I think good performances will return.

Another thing I?d like to make clear is:- Although I think no-one could have done a better job than Moyes over the last 6½ years, I'm not saying no one wouldn't be able to do a better job now... but would we be able to attract anyone who can do a better job? The fact is Moyes looks like he will be here for the next few years, so we should be supporting him even if we don't agree with him because at the end of the day he is only trying to do the best for our club.

Osman? Fuck me. Arteta has to be a big improvement on him. Stuck on the wing waiting for a pass from the crap all around him is hardly using him to good effect. He had a few good games on the wing a few seasons back and for Moyes; that's him there forever.

I know he wasn't great in the few games he played in the middle when he first came on loan but he?s not cutting it on the wing now is he?

Please, Moyes, some imagination in your selections. Oh, I forgot - swap the wingers after 25 mins and back again before half-time.

I am sure Moyes doesn't tell the team to play attractive football one week and then crap football for the next 3 weeks. It's all down to the players on the pitch and how confident they feel about playing football along the deck. Most weeks I don't think they are. It's all very well saying these teams lower down than us are playing more attractive football but that's the reason they are below us season-in and season-out, they aren't getting enough results playing that way.

I would rather have a battling successful team than a neat playing team who are lower mid-table each year. These teams don't have the pressure of expectancy that we have in trying to challenge at the top. Only the top four teams can play classy football and finish in the top places each season which is why they are always there. The rest of us get up there by discipline and grit.

We are on a great run at the moment even though performances are poor. If we won every game this season now playing like this and won the league, would you still come on here and moan!!! Would you fuck. Football is all about winning. If we play so called football every week like WBA are supposed to do and get relegated every now and again and then get promoted again whilst losing more fans and our better players would that make you happier!! I dont think so.... Rant Over... IMWT...COYB

I think that Moyes has done a good job overall and if the players are doing what they are told, then the way we are playing is down to him. We may well win the odd game here and there but possession, passing, pace and control are all key factors that we fail on. There are players out there who I am sure can do it and I hope DM can get them going soon because grinding out the odd win here and there is simply not good enough in most Evertonians' books.

There are no excuses, this manager with these players has already shown last season what they are capable of. The shite we are being served up, regardless of recent results, is the result of the managers mindset.

We play the way we do because that's how the players are instructed to play. Our defenders launch the ball because they?re told to. Midfielders don?t come short because they are told not to.

You don?t need limitless funds to master the basics of football. If the players take it upon themselves to ignore the managers instructions & hoof the ball upfield then they should be dropped but they never are... so they are obviously doing what they are told to do.

Moyes is the problem not the solution. We should be building on last season, instead we?ve gone backwards just as we did after finishing fourth. The people on this site who champion Moyes are probably the same people who used to cheer Stuart Mc Call for winning back the ball that he just gave away.