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David Moyes & Segundo Castillo
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I'm on here to defend David Moyes. I accept he has his weaknesses, ie insisting on bringing James Vaughan on for 7 mins at home to Fulham and drawing nil-nil. However, I still feel he is in the top 5 managers in this league and our loss would most certainly be someone else's gain.
People criticise his tactics for being too negative; however, last year we were best of the rest in the Premier League despite our limited spending. This is due to Moyes's tactics. People have a go at our formation but this formation suits our personnel and we never look as good when we try and play a different formation.
And I would also like to mention Castillo. Many Everton fans have been calling for his return to the starting line up. Having seen him play on several occasions, I would rather Rodwell continued to get the nod before him. He is quicker, his positioning is better and he will develop into an even better player in the future. Apart from his goal against Liege, Castillo has looked an average player, who offers extremely limited cover to our defence.
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Chris Horsfall, Posted 11/11/2008 at 23:16:21
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What is your definition of ?several occasions??? Don?t think he has had enough opportunities to warrant your outlook. How many Premier League games has he started??
Pretty tough assessment, Chris, to use as your defence for Moyes and his team selections.
Pretty tough assessment, Chris, to use as your defence for Moyes and his team selections.
Chris
Do you honestly think Rodwell is a better centre midfielder than Castillo?
He is that poor it's a joke, he doesn't have a clue what he?s doing. I feel sorry for him, you have to blame Moyes for playing him out of position. He doesn?t know where to run, where to stand, who to mark... he runs into our players, it goes on, FFS. And he?s playing in the Premier League!!!!!!
Do you honestly think Rodwell is a better centre midfielder than Castillo?
He is that poor it's a joke, he doesn't have a clue what he?s doing. I feel sorry for him, you have to blame Moyes for playing him out of position. He doesn?t know where to run, where to stand, who to mark... he runs into our players, it goes on, FFS. And he?s playing in the Premier League!!!!!!
Castillo looked alright in the games he played, but Moyes obviously doesn?t fancy him. don?t know why.
We never drew against Fulham, we stole a late show, just like at Bolton and West Ham. If luck wasn?t on our side in these games, would you still be voicing the same opinion.
I know Jack is a young lad and personally I don?t think he is good enough to cut the mustard (yet). He seems to stroll around as he has been thrown in the deep end. Saying that, not seen enough of Castillio but what I have seen I?d much prefer him than Jack.
I know Jack is a young lad and personally I don?t think he is good enough to cut the mustard (yet). He seems to stroll around as he has been thrown in the deep end. Saying that, not seen enough of Castillio but what I have seen I?d much prefer him than Jack.
Am I right in saying that we are paying for Castillo?s wages. Look, even though he came from a comparitvly poor (money-wise) league he is going to be on about £8-10k a week. If Moyes dosen?t fancy him, cut the loan agreement up and save on the wages. Just another example of a Premier League Manager buying / loaning a player based on a video tape. FFS, even I can make myself look good from Sunday league tapes!!!
Sorry about the double post but, if we want 2 upfront and a midfield 4 i.e. Pienaar, Fellaini, Cahill, Arteta then where is Castillo gonna play anyway?
Chris, I don?t think you are being fair to either player. Rodwell is a young lad not yet 18 who is getting his first taste of regular first team involvement. We need to be patient ? he looks like he could be a very good player in the future. This season he will have his good games and he will have his not so good games. It?s common with young players. So let?s give the lad a break.
Castillo ? several games? Which games? You make it appear that it he has been a regular feature of the team. He has been given very few games. Not really enough to aclimatise to the Premier League and playing in a new country and getting accustomed to a new culture. We need to be a bit more patient and basically cut both these guys a "bit of slack". I think both can be valuable players for us this season.
Talk about lumping unecessary pressure on Rodwell... To be honest he hasn?t looked the best too me... in fact he looks like a player out of position, but then again he is.
ps: I loved your example of Moyes's weaknesses... Don?t push the boat out...
ps: I loved your example of Moyes's weaknesses... Don?t push the boat out...
I have it on very good authority that, after a game this season (Blackburn I think away) Castillo and Moyes were arguing in the dressing room, Castillo got Moyes by the throat and had him against the wall. Since then he has said that Castillo will never play for Everton again!!! My source is a current player.
Don?t be ridiculous.
Moyes to Castillo: "Right then, just because you attacked me, I?m going to drop you from the team, on full pay mind, for the rest of your time here, see how you like that, and Bainsey get on to your mate Andy, and tell him what happened!"
Moyes to Castillo: "Right then, just because you attacked me, I?m going to drop you from the team, on full pay mind, for the rest of your time here, see how you like that, and Bainsey get on to your mate Andy, and tell him what happened!"
Surely if that’s the case then he would just be sent packing back to Belgrade, loan terminated?
Arguing? How? Moyes doesn’t speak Castillio’s native language and vice versa. You sure Castillo’s interperter didn’t attack Moyes? Yet another fine example of the idiot rumours that get propogated in the mailbag. I despair sometimes.
Ok! When he never pulls a EFC shirt on again and goes in January, we will see whether it's an idiot rumour.
Castillo was fuckin terrible in most matches he played: Blacburn away in the cup was just embarrassing, where Rodwell had a better game than him. So you think Castillo is better than Rodwell? Why hasn't he played since that then? Why does he prefer Rodwell? Castillo hit one good shot against Liege and are fans fell in love with him. I honestly cant remember Castillo stopping one oppossition from attacking. Oooh and tryin to wear his shorts as hot pants annoyed me!! JOKE.
And Rodwell WILL be at this club beyond this year, so any experience he can gain now will benfit him and us in the future. When hae we looked better playing 4-4-2? 4-5-1 suits us. It suits Cahill, Fellaini, Yakubu, Saha. As Saha is never going to be able to play week-in, week-out and Yakubu scored 21 goals there last year. And I was just using substitutions as one example.
One of the funniest rumours I’ve ever seen on here. You should get a job writing comedy for the BBC, andrew.
?He?s so poor its a joke?
HAHA!! Is that the same Jack Rodwell who impressed Arsene Wenger so much he wants to sign him for that little known team Arsenal?! You're a funny guy Dominic!!! Castillo better than Rodwell!!! HA!!
HAHA!! Is that the same Jack Rodwell who impressed Arsene Wenger so much he wants to sign him for that little known team Arsenal?! You're a funny guy Dominic!!! Castillo better than Rodwell!!! HA!!
Jack Rodwell’s played soo poorly this season that Chelsea are sniffing around. I forgot that they only went for duds. Wake up, Jack’s having a good season and looks the real deal. When he’s "run into his own players" as you put it, are you referring to when Jags was in midfield and was trying to mark Rodwell? I blame Jags for that, not Rodwell who is a much better centre mid than Neville or Jags. We’ve not seen much of Castillo yet, but I think Jack looks better than him and can only get better.
We’re crying out for a decent holding midfielder and maybe Rodwell can save us a few quid in the long run.
We’re crying out for a decent holding midfielder and maybe Rodwell can save us a few quid in the long run.
I thought Castillo was injured on his return from International duty and is only just getting back to match fit. Played his first full 90mins in a reserve team game last week?
Chris, Moyes brought Vaughan on at nil-nil agaisnt Fulham and we drew, so that justifies that decision to bring him on. In fact, Vaughan has been brought on quite a few times this season when we have been drawing or gettin beat and he has helped change the game and get us a result e.g. West Brom, Fulham, West Ham etc. This is partly due to the change in formation and attacking teams that has led to us scoring important goals late on in games.
Also, I don?t know why everyone seems to think Rodwll is so brilliant already, his loss in concentration has cost us goals and points this season when he has left his marker and they have ended up punishing us e.g. Blackburn (offside winner), the build up to Portsmouth?s third goal and he left Scott Parker at the weekend who in turn set up the goal. I?m not saying he?s not going to be a good player, because he obviously has alot of potential, but I don?t think he?s quite ready to be thrown in week in week out, because he lacks experience and needs to adapt and cut out his lapses in concentration.
Also, I don?t know why everyone seems to think Rodwll is so brilliant already, his loss in concentration has cost us goals and points this season when he has left his marker and they have ended up punishing us e.g. Blackburn (offside winner), the build up to Portsmouth?s third goal and he left Scott Parker at the weekend who in turn set up the goal. I?m not saying he?s not going to be a good player, because he obviously has alot of potential, but I don?t think he?s quite ready to be thrown in week in week out, because he lacks experience and needs to adapt and cut out his lapses in concentration.
Rodwell is a centre half NOT... I repeat ...NOT a central midfield player!!
If he looks lost then it?s down to Moyes for playing him out of position... no-one else.
I must say I have seen most of young Jack?s games this season and I cant say I?ve seen anything yet that makes me think this lad will be a star of the future... judging by many posts on this site over the last few weeks it appears I?m not alone either.
Whether you like it or not, world class 16/17-year-olds come along once in a life time. We had ours and Moyes & Kenwright shipped him out.... valued him at £50 million.and then sold him for £20 million and tried to convince us it was a GREAT DEAL... FUCK OFF!!
Rodwell is not in that class and never will be... it?s not his fault he?s played out of position, THAT?S DOWN TO THE MANAGER... just like playing Anichebe on the right wing, Osman as a defensive midfielder (what the fuck?s all that about!!), Cahill on the left wing... the list goes on and on
Rumour is Moyes & Castillo have had a bust up so you can forget him playing again. Our Davie doesn?t like players who challenge his authority.
So players out of position and hoofball for the next 5 yrs it is then; you all wanted him... now you?ve got him... and that?s what he does.
And before you mention the last 3 games... pleased don't be fooled!!
Whilst the wins and more importantly the pts were very welcome the performances were some of the worst I have witnessed in over 40yrs watching The Blues... believe me because I have been there!!
Here?s to another 3pts on Sunday.... but I really do wish we played football!!
If he looks lost then it?s down to Moyes for playing him out of position... no-one else.
I must say I have seen most of young Jack?s games this season and I cant say I?ve seen anything yet that makes me think this lad will be a star of the future... judging by many posts on this site over the last few weeks it appears I?m not alone either.
Whether you like it or not, world class 16/17-year-olds come along once in a life time. We had ours and Moyes & Kenwright shipped him out.... valued him at £50 million.and then sold him for £20 million and tried to convince us it was a GREAT DEAL... FUCK OFF!!
Rodwell is not in that class and never will be... it?s not his fault he?s played out of position, THAT?S DOWN TO THE MANAGER... just like playing Anichebe on the right wing, Osman as a defensive midfielder (what the fuck?s all that about!!), Cahill on the left wing... the list goes on and on
Rumour is Moyes & Castillo have had a bust up so you can forget him playing again. Our Davie doesn?t like players who challenge his authority.
So players out of position and hoofball for the next 5 yrs it is then; you all wanted him... now you?ve got him... and that?s what he does.
And before you mention the last 3 games... pleased don't be fooled!!
Whilst the wins and more importantly the pts were very welcome the performances were some of the worst I have witnessed in over 40yrs watching The Blues... believe me because I have been there!!
Here?s to another 3pts on Sunday.... but I really do wish we played football!!
When Screech and Castillio first played together I thought Cas looked the better player, Screech is improving the more games he plays, as will Cas and Rodwell, we?ve got to give them time and games.
Let's be honest, Cas is a fill-in for the season to be used when needed; Rodwell is for the future, and neither will be first team regulars this season unless as last season injuries take a hand.
Surely Van Der Meyde is not a current Everton "player" as he?s not featured in a competitive game for god knows how long...
Andrew,
Do you know of any similar stories surrounding Per Krøldrup?
Do you know of any similar stories surrounding Per Krøldrup?
Why in gods name did he sign him if he?s not good enough?Another Moyes balls up?
By the way. I?d like to get Moyes around the throat and shake some sense into him regards passing a football.
Its a squad game, not a first 11 ? get over yourselves and realise that some players will never feature every week.
The same thing happens at every club at every level ? some people play weekly, some dont. End of.
The same thing happens at every club at every level ? some people play weekly, some dont. End of.
Nice post from Dave Lynch. Sums up what a few of us are thinking.
On the subject of Jack Rodwell, it is plainly clear the lad can play FOOTBALL and he has time on his side to improve. Meanwhile, all around him you have players with years of experience who seemingly do not know the basics of the game.
You can't really judge Castillo at moment because he hasn't had a decent run of games in the side yet, I think he?s played 1 or 2 full games. In the Liege game I thought he was one of our better players that night at Goodison, and not just because of the goal either. He?s only played the first half of the Hull and Blackburn games and then picked up an injury when on international duty.
And don't forget he was thrown straight in to a side that was struggling for form just after joining us, as was Fellaini and look at how well he?s coming on now after a good run in the side. So let's give the lad a chance hey! As for Rodwell, it's pretty much the same really, we need to give him time. Although he is a natural centre back, he is a good prospect with the potential to be a top player!
Completely agree with you Chris on the issue of Castillo vs. Rodwell.
Castillo has looked very average, although he does some good things he always plays backwards/sideways and never seems to be able to close down players.
Rodwell on the other hand is looking the real deal, and as many say he will only get better.
Castillo has looked very average, although he does some good things he always plays backwards/sideways and never seems to be able to close down players.
Rodwell on the other hand is looking the real deal, and as many say he will only get better.
Chris, when I saw Fellaini and Castillo play together, Castillo actually looked the better player.
Just another perfect example of how Moyes is "dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t." If he plays Castillo, he’s criticised for not giving youth a chance! If he plays, Rodwell, its obviously because he can’t handle Castillo or the guys another poor buy!!
All these geniuses stating what Rodwell?s best position is are make me laugh.
Has anyone seen him play Centre Back at Senior Level? No, I didn?t think so. For the record, I think he could make an excellent centre half one day but for now I?ll trust the judgment of Moyes and his coaching staff who see the lad every day in training.
As for Castillo, I think he could play a part this season, I thought he looked a little off the pace and his passing wasn?t up to scratch but he might need a little time to adjust to the Premier League.
Has anyone seen him play Centre Back at Senior Level? No, I didn?t think so. For the record, I think he could make an excellent centre half one day but for now I?ll trust the judgment of Moyes and his coaching staff who see the lad every day in training.
As for Castillo, I think he could play a part this season, I thought he looked a little off the pace and his passing wasn?t up to scratch but he might need a little time to adjust to the Premier League.
Why are people so convinced Rodwell is a centre half?
It?s likely that nobody has seen him play there, because he was converted while he was in the reserves nearly 2 years ago now. He made his debut for Everton in Europe (AZ) in midfield. He plays for England U-19s in midfield.
Somebody pointed out that early in the season he was often caught out of position. Could this not be due to the fact that he is 17? In terms of positioning, the holding role is the most difficult position in the field to play. That?s why you get teenage wonderkids up front, on the wing, in centre defence at full back but never (at least as far as I can remember) in the holding role. If we are saying his positioning is poor, exactly which 17-19 year old holding midfielder are we comparing him to?
The argument that he should play centre half essentially seems to be (a) he?s tall and (b) he?s not yet as positionally aware as Lee Carsley, who probably made his professional debut before Rodwell was born.
It?s likely that nobody has seen him play there, because he was converted while he was in the reserves nearly 2 years ago now. He made his debut for Everton in Europe (AZ) in midfield. He plays for England U-19s in midfield.
Somebody pointed out that early in the season he was often caught out of position. Could this not be due to the fact that he is 17? In terms of positioning, the holding role is the most difficult position in the field to play. That?s why you get teenage wonderkids up front, on the wing, in centre defence at full back but never (at least as far as I can remember) in the holding role. If we are saying his positioning is poor, exactly which 17-19 year old holding midfielder are we comparing him to?
The argument that he should play centre half essentially seems to be (a) he?s tall and (b) he?s not yet as positionally aware as Lee Carsley, who probably made his professional debut before Rodwell was born.
I have it on good authority from a former player that an incident occured during Krødrup's first training session at Bellefield.
Moysie completly lost the plot when Krøldrup skillfully dribbled the ball out of defence like a young Franz Beckenbauer.
Moyes ran 30 yards onto the pitch and launched into a 3 minute verbal assault, reminding the young Dane that it?s a defenders job to launch the fucking ball out out of danger whenever possible!
Krøldrup, rather embarrassed at getting this dressing down infront of his new team-mates then proceeded to roundhouse kick Moyes in the face.
One injury-enforced appearance against Villa aside, Per never played for Everton and was sold at the earliest opportunity!
Moysie completly lost the plot when Krøldrup skillfully dribbled the ball out of defence like a young Franz Beckenbauer.
Moyes ran 30 yards onto the pitch and launched into a 3 minute verbal assault, reminding the young Dane that it?s a defenders job to launch the fucking ball out out of danger whenever possible!
Krøldrup, rather embarrassed at getting this dressing down infront of his new team-mates then proceeded to roundhouse kick Moyes in the face.
One injury-enforced appearance against Villa aside, Per never played for Everton and was sold at the earliest opportunity!
Rodwell can be whatever he wants to be, a centre half or a centre midfielder.
There?s nothing wrong with playing a young player out of position, it hasn?t hurt with players in the past. Arsene Wenger?s using Theo Walcott a striker on the wing at the moment. The same goes for Traore who?s playing on the left wing despite the fact that he started off as a wing back.
Jack?s a 17-year-old playing against experienced pros, I think he?s shown enough to say he?s a very promising player. Very few 17-year-olds would be able to compete like he has anyway.
There?s nothing wrong with playing a young player out of position, it hasn?t hurt with players in the past. Arsene Wenger?s using Theo Walcott a striker on the wing at the moment. The same goes for Traore who?s playing on the left wing despite the fact that he started off as a wing back.
Jack?s a 17-year-old playing against experienced pros, I think he?s shown enough to say he?s a very promising player. Very few 17-year-olds would be able to compete like he has anyway.
Andy's right; I heard the same thing from an ex-player. I did post this a few weeks ago but my post got erased. Probably because I didn?t give my real name but that was because I was told in confidence.
Simon Skinner, you are SO wrong....
Rodwell has spent ALL his Everton days until he was promoted to the 1st team playing at CENTRE HALF. He captained England at all levels below U-19?s playing as a CENTRE HALF... he only moved to midfield for England THIS season having played there for us.
The only reason he started playing in midfield for us at the start of the season was because we had NOBODY ELSE to put there... that?s why Jags was put there too!!
I am not slagging off Rodwell.... I really hope he does turn out to be the ?REAL DEAL? as some of you put it.... but, if you think he?s made a massive impact in his so far very short Everton career, then you?re watching a different player to me.
If he looks lost in midfield, as I and many others believe, then it?s down to Moyes for playing him out of position... no-one else.
Rodwell has spent ALL his Everton days until he was promoted to the 1st team playing at CENTRE HALF. He captained England at all levels below U-19?s playing as a CENTRE HALF... he only moved to midfield for England THIS season having played there for us.
The only reason he started playing in midfield for us at the start of the season was because we had NOBODY ELSE to put there... that?s why Jags was put there too!!
I am not slagging off Rodwell.... I really hope he does turn out to be the ?REAL DEAL? as some of you put it.... but, if you think he?s made a massive impact in his so far very short Everton career, then you?re watching a different player to me.
If he looks lost in midfield, as I and many others believe, then it?s down to Moyes for playing him out of position... no-one else.
Roy, thanks for backing me up mate. I ain't one to come on here and make up bullshit. But this information came from a first team player and "he will not play for Everton again" were his words. So why should I think this player is lying? I am not a bullshitter like half the knobs on here saying "Moutinho is in Liverpool airport" etc. I very rarely if ever post on here so why should I start now with a lie?
When he starts a game for Everton, I will approach this player and say "you lied" but until then it's turning out to be right. We have desperately been short ever since this incident and he has been snubbed. Why!!!
When he starts a game for Everton, I will approach this player and say "you lied" but until then it's turning out to be right. We have desperately been short ever since this incident and he has been snubbed. Why!!!
It does seem funny that we are told that Krøldrup can?t head a ball properly, and Ferrari isn?t good enough for us. They are chased, and Krøldrup ends up playing first team footy for Roma, and Ferrari for Fiorentina. These tales about Moyes don?t appear isolated either.
Nelly
He only moved in centre mid this season? No, you are wrong. He moved about 18 months ago.
He made his senior debut for us in AZ, in centre midfield alongside Vidarrson (sp?) - in Decemeber last year. He had been moved in the reserves well before that.
Let’s get this straight - he was NOT moved to centre midfield at the start of this season. Yes, as a 15 year old he was a centre back. But players often change position around age 15-17 as their physical growth is finalised - Rodwell was probably tall for a 13 year old, but these days he’s visably thinner than an average centre half. He also if very comfortable on the ball, so somebody thought a move to centre mid was appropriate.
That decision was not made this summer however.
As for not making a huge impact - I’ll repeat my point that nobody makes an impact age 17 in that position - can anybody think of an example over the last 10 years of a holding midfielder at that age?
That’s not to say he’s a dead cert; there’s no such thing until a player actually makes it, and history is ridden with players who peaked age 18 and never reached the standard expected. However, out of all our kids, Rodwell stands out to me as the one most likely to make it.
He only moved in centre mid this season? No, you are wrong. He moved about 18 months ago.
He made his senior debut for us in AZ, in centre midfield alongside Vidarrson (sp?) - in Decemeber last year. He had been moved in the reserves well before that.
Let’s get this straight - he was NOT moved to centre midfield at the start of this season. Yes, as a 15 year old he was a centre back. But players often change position around age 15-17 as their physical growth is finalised - Rodwell was probably tall for a 13 year old, but these days he’s visably thinner than an average centre half. He also if very comfortable on the ball, so somebody thought a move to centre mid was appropriate.
That decision was not made this summer however.
As for not making a huge impact - I’ll repeat my point that nobody makes an impact age 17 in that position - can anybody think of an example over the last 10 years of a holding midfielder at that age?
That’s not to say he’s a dead cert; there’s no such thing until a player actually makes it, and history is ridden with players who peaked age 18 and never reached the standard expected. However, out of all our kids, Rodwell stands out to me as the one most likely to make it.
Simon...Take on board what you say & your opinion....but I still believe that he was a centre half until he was moved up to the first team....where he was moved to midfield because we were short on numbers.
I said he was only moved there this season by ENGLAND & I think you?ll find this true if you do some research...
Again your entitled to your opinion but I have to challenge the ? is comfortable on the ball? statement....gives it away alot if you ask me but thats just my opinion !!
Yes he does stand the best chance of making it as it?s obvious he is liked by Moyes and there are very few other kids in the 1st team frame to compare him with...
As for not making an impact because of his age...can I ask if he?s not going to make an impact in that position (whether it be due to his age or whatever) what the hell is he doing there ??....another bad becision by the man who can do no wrong me thinks !!
Anyway good luck to Rodwell I hope he goes on to be come an Everton legend...no hang on a minute if he does show evidence of fulfilling his alledged potential then he?ll most probably be sold by our joke of a chairman for less than half his worth
I said he was only moved there this season by ENGLAND & I think you?ll find this true if you do some research...
Again your entitled to your opinion but I have to challenge the ? is comfortable on the ball? statement....gives it away alot if you ask me but thats just my opinion !!
Yes he does stand the best chance of making it as it?s obvious he is liked by Moyes and there are very few other kids in the 1st team frame to compare him with...
As for not making an impact because of his age...can I ask if he?s not going to make an impact in that position (whether it be due to his age or whatever) what the hell is he doing there ??....another bad becision by the man who can do no wrong me thinks !!
Anyway good luck to Rodwell I hope he goes on to be come an Everton legend...no hang on a minute if he does show evidence of fulfilling his alledged potential then he?ll most probably be sold by our joke of a chairman for less than half his worth
Simon’s right, Rodwell played in midfield in most reserves games last season. I’m sure he played centre midfield half way through the season before aswell.
It was Andy Holden and the youth coaches who moved him there, not David Moyes. It’s got nothing to do with us lacking numbers, that’s where the club sees his future and have done for a year or two now.
He’s 17 years old and he’s competeted admirably. He hasn’t shied away from the ball and whenever he’s got it he’s used it very well. His Performance against Portsmouth was good, he was our best midfielder. Sadly he was let down by those around him.
He needs to work on his positioning yes, which 17 year old doesn’t? Your not going to get any 17 year old coming into the Prem and bossing games from the middle of the park. Steven Gerrard certainly didn’t.
There’s alot of potential there, he could be excellent if he keeps progressing. He really could play in either position, he could move back there in the future or he could continue as a midfielder.
At the moment he’s best of in midfield. He can make more mistakes there and not get punished. At centre back if he makes a mistakes he gets punished straight away.
It was Andy Holden and the youth coaches who moved him there, not David Moyes. It’s got nothing to do with us lacking numbers, that’s where the club sees his future and have done for a year or two now.
He’s 17 years old and he’s competeted admirably. He hasn’t shied away from the ball and whenever he’s got it he’s used it very well. His Performance against Portsmouth was good, he was our best midfielder. Sadly he was let down by those around him.
He needs to work on his positioning yes, which 17 year old doesn’t? Your not going to get any 17 year old coming into the Prem and bossing games from the middle of the park. Steven Gerrard certainly didn’t.
There’s alot of potential there, he could be excellent if he keeps progressing. He really could play in either position, he could move back there in the future or he could continue as a midfielder.
At the moment he’s best of in midfield. He can make more mistakes there and not get punished. At centre back if he makes a mistakes he gets punished straight away.
re: Castillo
Obviously we don?t know what?s gone on but if Andy?s story is right then it begs the question why Castillo?s loan wasn?t terminated forthwith. Oh, and if it is right it explains why Moyes?s eyes look like hard-boiled eggs with M & M?s stuck on ?em.
Obviously we don?t know what?s gone on but if Andy?s story is right then it begs the question why Castillo?s loan wasn?t terminated forthwith. Oh, and if it is right it explains why Moyes?s eyes look like hard-boiled eggs with M & M?s stuck on ?em.
I stand corrected re when he was converted to midfield.... (still think he?s a centre half).
Unfortunately I still don't see what all the fuss is about ... as I don't think he?ll make any significant impact as a midfield player how ever long he stays at the club... just my opinion and I truly hope I?m proved to be wrong again but please don't compare him to that cheat across the park as Gerrard did (despite what you say) make an impact straight away, far more than Rodwell has anyway.
Best of Luck Jack... sincerely hope you become the strong defensive midfielder we so sadly lack but desire so much!!
Unfortunately I still don't see what all the fuss is about ... as I don't think he?ll make any significant impact as a midfield player how ever long he stays at the club... just my opinion and I truly hope I?m proved to be wrong again but please don't compare him to that cheat across the park as Gerrard did (despite what you say) make an impact straight away, far more than Rodwell has anyway.
Best of Luck Jack... sincerely hope you become the strong defensive midfielder we so sadly lack but desire so much!!
"As for not making an impact because of his age...can I ask if he?s not going to make an impact in that position (whether it be due to his age or whatever) what the hell is he doing there ??"
Well, because that’s where Moyes see him in the future. He played there earlier in the season because there was nobody else, as you noted.
"Again your entitled to your opinion but I have to challenge the ? is comfortable on the ball? statement....gives it away alot if you ask me but thats just my opinion !!"
I agree, he does give it away too much. But that’s not necessarily a lack of technical ability - Joe Cole gives the ball away too much too, but he can afford to high up the pitch. What Rodwell was doing (especially in the first couple of games) was giving the ball away in dangerous areas.
What Rodwell can do well is one touch passing, and he has the vision to hit long, early passes to the forwards if they make a run - I’ve seen him do it regularly in preseason and in the U19 England games.
He currently lacks the tact to try these things at the right times - sometimes you’ve just got to be Carsley and whack it into the stands. Possibly, in the reserves you can make these mistakes and not be punished - his full debut against Blackburn must have been sobering for him. He’ll either learn that with time in the first team, or he won’t make it.
You are right that England picked him at centre half - not sure what that is supposed to prove though? England pick players based on their current ability, and at that time they though that he was the best centre half for the job. The Everton youth team’s job is to take the long term view, so they set about converting him to a centre mid because Andy Holden and his team felt that in time that position would be best for him. There’s no contradiction here.
Well, because that’s where Moyes see him in the future. He played there earlier in the season because there was nobody else, as you noted.
"Again your entitled to your opinion but I have to challenge the ? is comfortable on the ball? statement....gives it away alot if you ask me but thats just my opinion !!"
I agree, he does give it away too much. But that’s not necessarily a lack of technical ability - Joe Cole gives the ball away too much too, but he can afford to high up the pitch. What Rodwell was doing (especially in the first couple of games) was giving the ball away in dangerous areas.
What Rodwell can do well is one touch passing, and he has the vision to hit long, early passes to the forwards if they make a run - I’ve seen him do it regularly in preseason and in the U19 England games.
He currently lacks the tact to try these things at the right times - sometimes you’ve just got to be Carsley and whack it into the stands. Possibly, in the reserves you can make these mistakes and not be punished - his full debut against Blackburn must have been sobering for him. He’ll either learn that with time in the first team, or he won’t make it.
You are right that England picked him at centre half - not sure what that is supposed to prove though? England pick players based on their current ability, and at that time they though that he was the best centre half for the job. The Everton youth team’s job is to take the long term view, so they set about converting him to a centre mid because Andy Holden and his team felt that in time that position would be best for him. There’s no contradiction here.
According to Setanta, Rodwell’s passing stats are 79% which isn’t bad at all, it’s actually very good. I haven’t noticed him losing the ball alot at all, he doesn’t actually.
He’s lost the ball in dangerous areas once or twice but he doesn’t do it anymore.
Rodwell has the ability to open up a game and spread the play. He was doing it against Portsmouth especially where he was given some freedom to do what he wanted, express himself.
At the moment he’s having to play a disiplined role as the out and out defensive midfielder. Who can only really take a few touches.
If he was playing alongside an experienced defensive midfielder I think we’d see the best of him. He’s no Rooney but not many are, he’s still a very talented player and will without doubt make it here.
He’s lost the ball in dangerous areas once or twice but he doesn’t do it anymore.
Rodwell has the ability to open up a game and spread the play. He was doing it against Portsmouth especially where he was given some freedom to do what he wanted, express himself.
At the moment he’s having to play a disiplined role as the out and out defensive midfielder. Who can only really take a few touches.
If he was playing alongside an experienced defensive midfielder I think we’d see the best of him. He’s no Rooney but not many are, he’s still a very talented player and will without doubt make it here.
Simon & Connor... It?s been a pleasure holding this debate with you.
You both obviously see something I don't in this lad... but as we all agree the game is about opinions... I guess we?ll just have to agree to disagree on this as only time will tell which of us proves to be right.
As I say, I don't want to slag the lad off, it?s just that I (and others) don't believe he is anywhere near as good as people want us to believe he is at this stage in his career... I think it's putting far too much presure on the lad.
Thank you for giving a reasoned well presented ?arguement? without feeling the need to call me a ?kopite? just because my opinion differs from yours.
You both obviously see something I don't in this lad... but as we all agree the game is about opinions... I guess we?ll just have to agree to disagree on this as only time will tell which of us proves to be right.
As I say, I don't want to slag the lad off, it?s just that I (and others) don't believe he is anywhere near as good as people want us to believe he is at this stage in his career... I think it's putting far too much presure on the lad.
Thank you for giving a reasoned well presented ?arguement? without feeling the need to call me a ?kopite? just because my opinion differs from yours.
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