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Anyone got any ideas of how this is going to work? We have signed a deal that allows us to use Football Manager to scout players. Does this mean we can talk to their scouts or we are the only football team that is allowed to play the game?
I'm not sure what I think of this, I know when I was playing it in about 2000 there was a quality young player by the name of Berbatov that I always used to buy and he smashed it up big time. Wonder how his career has gone?
Craig Taylor, Posted 14/11/2008 at 11:45:56
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It sounds like we are the only pro club to be allowed to use it???
This could be a huge advantage!!
This could be a huge advantage!!
This is a step in the right driection byu the club. After Moyes scouted the toffeeweb for players, such as the likes of Riquelme, Arshavin, Pele’s son and Aimar, he’s decided to get one step ahead of the Football manager fans and discover talent himself.
Even walter smith signed Bakayoko after playing championship manager.
Even walter smith signed Bakayoko after playing championship manager.
I remember once I was playing FM (or Championship Manager as it was then) a good few years back.
Arsenal sold Petit and Overmars - and then purchased Pires and Wiltord! Then in this happened in real life 6 months later on.
I think Moyes is onto something!
Arsenal sold Petit and Overmars - and then purchased Pires and Wiltord! Then in this happened in real life 6 months later on.
I think Moyes is onto something!
Yeah, I remember once, in about 1993, I managered Kettering Town and got them from the old Vauxhall Conference to with the Premiership in the space of 7 virtual years, really realsistic!
Seriously, I’m assuming advances in the game have been made and it is all a little more believable!
Seriously, I’m assuming advances in the game have been made and it is all a little more believable!
It sounds like a good idea and the makers are Everton fans so it is logical they would make the information available to us ahead of anyone else. We now have the best scouting system in the world!
Does this justify the speculative posts that appear on here on a regular basis? MK usually tells such posters to bugger off and go and play Football Manager instead. Perhaps Moyesy acted on this advice.
There are 4 main reasons to ignore this story:-
a) its in The Sun newspaper therefore,
b) it’s a load of crap
c) it’s in the Sun and so
d) it’s a complete load of crap
End of.
a) its in The Sun newspaper therefore,
b) it’s a load of crap
c) it’s in the Sun and so
d) it’s a complete load of crap
End of.
Always been rumours over the past 10 years that the creators were blues and now it has been cinfimed..
If its true I think it is a good idea as it gets info on players without paying for club scouts all over the globe.. Lets see what happens..
If its true I think it is a good idea as it gets info on players without paying for club scouts all over the globe.. Lets see what happens..
[[ There are 4 main reasons to ignore this story:-
a) its in The Sun newspaper therefore,
b) it?s a load of crap
c) it?s in the Sun and so
d) it?s a complete load of crap
End of. ]]
When will we ever see the "end of" people saying "end of"? Especially when it inevitably means what they’re saying isn’t remotely the "end of" anything at all ...
http://www.footballmanager.com/index.php?p=article&newsid=2527
a) its in The Sun newspaper therefore,
b) it?s a load of crap
c) it?s in the Sun and so
d) it?s a complete load of crap
End of. ]]
When will we ever see the "end of" people saying "end of"? Especially when it inevitably means what they’re saying isn’t remotely the "end of" anything at all ...
http://www.footballmanager.com/index.php?p=article&newsid=2527
Yes, Steve, we?ll be opening up a new virtual website for fans to regale us with their stories of... well, look up ? there they are already!
In the great traditions of British trash journalism (The Sun, what else do you expect?) this raises more questions than it answers. I?m sure they must have secured access to the database that goes well beyond what is available in the game itself to every Tom, Dick and virtual Harry Redknap ? otherwise, there would be no point in a separate agreement.
I think this has to be some unique arrangement that could be of tremendous benefit to EFC, and it?s really a superb outcome and a massive tribute to the dilgence of the Collyer Brothers, who I?m sure have protected this database with their lives, and would have contemplated releasing it only to Everton.
However, it won?t change the gulf that exists between The Real World and the myriad of worlds created within the game itself by each individual user. While there is obviously massive potential value in the database to the Real World Everton, the simulations within the game itself will continue to have no meaning whatsoever.
In the great traditions of British trash journalism (The Sun, what else do you expect?) this raises more questions than it answers. I?m sure they must have secured access to the database that goes well beyond what is available in the game itself to every Tom, Dick and virtual Harry Redknap ? otherwise, there would be no point in a separate agreement.
I think this has to be some unique arrangement that could be of tremendous benefit to EFC, and it?s really a superb outcome and a massive tribute to the dilgence of the Collyer Brothers, who I?m sure have protected this database with their lives, and would have contemplated releasing it only to Everton.
However, it won?t change the gulf that exists between The Real World and the myriad of worlds created within the game itself by each individual user. While there is obviously massive potential value in the database to the Real World Everton, the simulations within the game itself will continue to have no meaning whatsoever.
They might have a thousand scouts but if there’s a decent youngster out there, Arsene Wenger will beat us all to him.
I doubt it's anything to do with the game itself more so the scouts and avenues they use to help them build their fantastic football management game. Personally I think it's a fantastic idea if done right. It could save the club a fortune paying for overpriced guys who just want a holiday somewhere.
If anyone plays Football Manager they will know the talented players especially the young ones seem to be on par with real life. I know people laugh at guys who spend their life playing it and thinking they know best which is fair enough as it's sad but, when it comes to a scouting tool, it's a good idea to look into it.
You never know, Moyesy might pick up a lesson in different tactics if he plays the game!! lol!!
If anyone plays Football Manager they will know the talented players especially the young ones seem to be on par with real life. I know people laugh at guys who spend their life playing it and thinking they know best which is fair enough as it's sad but, when it comes to a scouting tool, it's a good idea to look into it.
You never know, Moyesy might pick up a lesson in different tactics if he plays the game!! lol!!
I personally find it laughable. Computer players never get injuries and their temprement is never questioned. The game takes the human aspect out of the individual.
Fuck me! If it?s that good, can it help Moyes to coach our players to pass the football.
I don?t suppose the makers of the game will be releasing a brand new game for the Christmas stockings... Fun for all the family. A quick and easy way to achieve riches beyond your dreams and no sleepless nights worrying about players' abilities or mind-boggling tactics. Yes, we present the one-dimensional HOOFBALL as endorsed by our sponsors, EFC.
Tongue in cheek, guys, just a bit of fun.
Tony, I?ve got a mate who works at SI Games, just asked him about this his reply was
"Yeah thats absolutely right, so expect a steady stream of Bakayokoes to come flooding in soon. (He?s a kopite, and finds this pretty funny.) Several teams had been unofficially using our database for a while but Everton are the first to actually sign a deal with us to get access to the database. We have about 1700 researchers in total who go out scouting. So that's what you?re using."
"Yeah thats absolutely right, so expect a steady stream of Bakayokoes to come flooding in soon. (He?s a kopite, and finds this pretty funny.) Several teams had been unofficially using our database for a while but Everton are the first to actually sign a deal with us to get access to the database. We have about 1700 researchers in total who go out scouting. So that's what you?re using."
Lol it's absolutely hilarious. I love playing FM and now Everton are the only club to have access to their databaase.
Football Manager is fairly realistic, because the players on it and their abilities are fairly comparable with players from the real word, but sometimes they are highly inaccurate.
But it certainally gives us an advantage, maybe get Wenger-esque youngsters. Ya never know!
Football Manager is fairly realistic, because the players on it and their abilities are fairly comparable with players from the real word, but sometimes they are highly inaccurate.
But it certainally gives us an advantage, maybe get Wenger-esque youngsters. Ya never know!
I?d like to see Moyes actually get the latest version installed.
He?d be one of the first to do so if he does :D
He?d be one of the first to do so if he does :D
I really don’t get this deal, I could just go on the editor right now, go into find player, type in a minimum ability/potential ability and the editor would find me such players, what difference could signing a deal make to probably the most available database on the market?
I’ll be more than happy if we get Martin Galvan because of FM though. Also expect Mirel Radoi if all this really is true.
I’ll be more than happy if we get Martin Galvan because of FM though. Also expect Mirel Radoi if all this really is true.
Football manager is usually very accurate with its players, and ones you have never heard of before, often make it big. Any deal certainly wouldnt hinder Everton, but it still comes down to money at the end of the day. Even when playing the game, you can scout all the best players, but if you cant afford them, you’re buggered! On the older games Everton were always the best team on it and ’long ball’ was the only tactic that got any real success! :0)
2 words - Edison Cavani. He?s fucking amazing on FM. Get him signed Moyes! :)
How does this work then? A computer game designer employs a 1000+ ?scouts? to run around the world looking for players so the games designers can add these players (presumably young ?uns) to a database where they can be (virtually) transfered to clubs across the globe? Surely these players are already attached to clubs? If the ?scouts? are that good at unearthing talent, wouldnt they be employed by football clubs?
Forgive me if I sound stupid but I don't play computer games and have never seen Football Manager.
http://www.shortlist.com/gaming/article/football-manager-2009-interview
This indepth shortlist interview shows how far they go for accuarate ratings of 300,000+ players around the world.
The Collyer bros have always been known as Everton fans and their number of real life scouts give them the largest scouting network in the world.
Though it is known that non league teams tentativly scout using this data base, didn’t one of Jose Mo’s right hand men recently state he used this data base too?
I’d imagine that with the 900 scouts they have turning real worldpayers into computer world stats, these 900 scouts may become Everton real world scouts and give Everton an unlikely but wonderful upperhand.
This scouting network predicted the rise of many of the worlds best players even before first team debuts at their original clubs no matter how obscure.
This indepth shortlist interview shows how far they go for accuarate ratings of 300,000+ players around the world.
The Collyer bros have always been known as Everton fans and their number of real life scouts give them the largest scouting network in the world.
Though it is known that non league teams tentativly scout using this data base, didn’t one of Jose Mo’s right hand men recently state he used this data base too?
I’d imagine that with the 900 scouts they have turning real worldpayers into computer world stats, these 900 scouts may become Everton real world scouts and give Everton an unlikely but wonderful upperhand.
This scouting network predicted the rise of many of the worlds best players even before first team debuts at their original clubs no matter how obscure.
In 1998 when Football Manager was known as Championship Manager, I signed two youngsters for next to nothing having sent my ’scouts’ to search players under the age of 21 in the South American leagues. Both players went on to be my two highest rated and highest scoring players, eventually selling them for in excess of £20m each. One was called Javier Saviola and the other was called Ronaldinho. I wonder what ever happened to them...?
The concept to some people might sound stupid, but if it isn’t costing us anything and has the potential to give us an upper hand on other clubs, what do we have to lose?
The concept to some people might sound stupid, but if it isn’t costing us anything and has the potential to give us an upper hand on other clubs, what do we have to lose?
The games database is awesome and often spot on. I remember in the past signing a couple of players by the names of Gravesen and Pienaar and FM was the only place I?d heard of them at the time. They were great and I was amazed when EFC signed them for real! Huntelaar was also a clas act as a youngster and FM was the first time I'd heard of him.
Lee, 1993 is light years ago in terms of technology advancements, and it will move quicker and become more accurate and reliable.
I think it is a very good idea, Moyes is using his initiative and thinking laterally; it can only help us in the future.
I think it is a very good idea, Moyes is using his initiative and thinking laterally; it can only help us in the future.
People may laugh at the idea of using this database, but regular FM players had heard of Arteta, Tevez, Van Persie and Ronaldo 5 years before they arrived in this country.
While they don?t get it right on all the players (they can?t factor a young lad going off the rails or having a serious injury), they do have a great insight into football and most of it is accurate.
Dear Toffeeweb,
Did I not run this idea past you about 5 years ago? I seem to recall you shot me down for it. I still suggested it to the club and maybe they listened to me. They were the days when you could buy Ibrahimovic on CM for £250k from some crappy Swedish team and he went on in the game to become a superstar. Who needs a scouting system when you have these games doing a pretty good job for you.
Did I not run this idea past you about 5 years ago? I seem to recall you shot me down for it. I still suggested it to the club and maybe they listened to me. They were the days when you could buy Ibrahimovic on CM for £250k from some crappy Swedish team and he went on in the game to become a superstar. Who needs a scouting system when you have these games doing a pretty good job for you.
Has anyone actually configured FM games to match actual PL games and players (if that is even possible), esp involving EFC, and what has been the oucome?
Just asking.
Could this be a tool for Moyes to try out his tactics ahead of the real thing? :-)
Just asking.
Could this be a tool for Moyes to try out his tactics ahead of the real thing? :-)
This is old news. Football managers past and present have all admitted at some point they have used the extensive database on the FM sim in order to scout players. One of the games developers Miles Jacobsen was recently asked about the idea that FM is responsible for unveiling the myriad of talent to the FM playing community even before they have been seen in the flesh by most supporters or managers.
I suspect what would happen is that the database would be used (specifically by identifying a potential player by position and attributes) to bring certain players to the attention of the Club and their scouts, then! the real scouting will commence and scouting parties will be sent to see if FM really does have the lowdown on the world’s footballing talent.
I suspect what would happen is that the database would be used (specifically by identifying a potential player by position and attributes) to bring certain players to the attention of the Club and their scouts, then! the real scouting will commence and scouting parties will be sent to see if FM really does have the lowdown on the world’s footballing talent.
I met Paul and Oliver Collyer at an evening away game at St Mary’s back in 2002 or 2003. Paul was based in Sweden then. Think Oliver had left Eidos by then (prior to Paul moving to SI). In the pub before, when I asked about the scouting, at that time, in a lot of the countries, it was fans of the game who did it. Sure it’s a bit more robust now, but certainly in the early days that was the case.
But Everton fans they most definitely are!
But Everton fans they most definitely are!
With this massive resource and 1700 scouts, Davie will still manage to sign players who can?t pass to a blue shirt without booting it 40 yds.
Does this mean Pele and Johan Cruff are signing for EFC then???
I?ve heard it all now. I bet even Andy van de Shandy is quite good on FM!
These ’scouts’ are generally teenagers sat in their bedrooms giving their opinion on players, with little in the way of oversight or corroboration. There is very little data beyond what is available and accessible to the average purchaser of the game, so this deal will mean absolutely nothing in terms of advancing our scouting. Any other manager in the league can buy the game for thirty quid and have the exact same data we will have.
This is simply a publicity stunt in lieu of the game being released yesterday and the creators being Everton fans, so don’t get your hopes up about this meaning anything at all.
This is simply a publicity stunt in lieu of the game being released yesterday and the creators being Everton fans, so don’t get your hopes up about this meaning anything at all.
Yes, this is true... and yes, this is actually fucking brilliant. Any of you people who don't play it or hardly play it and give it all the ??I won the Champions League with swansea?? so it must be realistic (Not!), you have no idea what you're talking about.
I lived on last year's FM, any spare time I had, I played it. A lot of the talent that was good on the game, all the ??wonder kids?? ... a lot of them have actually cropped up in real life.
A lot of Blues hadn't even heard of Jose Baxter 'til pre season... you can't spot talent under ya nose so how is it fair for those same people to say this is ridiculous when you can't spot talent 'til you see it on Match of the Day?
These people at FM are more professional than you think; it's a football manager simulator game, it's realistic as can possibly be. Like I said, a lot of the talent of last year and the year before have cropped up: Lulinha (Chelsea bid £8 million for him and failed).
I'd heard of Bojan 2 seasons ago ? did you? Now he?s a Barca 1st teamer ... Toni Kroos, Bayern Munich?s best youngster and possibly Germany's best youngster ?I heard of him a year ago and if you haven't heard of him, you will very soon...
I could go on and on. Yes, it isn't PERFECT ? there are some players who don't grow up to be as good in real life as they are on the game... but think about it: there are scouts in the real game who find lads who don't go on to be as good as they first think. Like I said, it's a simulator, real as can be.
This is fantastic news! FM has the biggest database of scouts in world football, Sevilla are second. They have an appointed scout for every club in existence, who rates every player at that club, be it youth players or experienced pros. They have correctly predicted glittering careers for a whole range of youth players, if we can tap into this then it can only be good news.
Doesn?t anyone who pays twenty quid for the game secure themselves access to the database?
Every top-class player monitored in great detail throughout the world and the information provided for free 1 year in advance of anybody else... where?s the catch?
If we had this database 6 years ago Christiano Ronaldo, Leo Messi and Moutinho could be all been wearing Mersey Blue ? who knows?
As long as we don?t take it too seriously, and we send out our own scouts to verify the data, I can?t find a damn thing wrong!
If we had this database 6 years ago Christiano Ronaldo, Leo Messi and Moutinho could be all been wearing Mersey Blue ? who knows?
As long as we don?t take it too seriously, and we send out our own scouts to verify the data, I can?t find a damn thing wrong!
I think its a good idea. The game isnt some mickey-mouse thing like Fifa or what-not, like some of the people on here seem to think. Its obviously very heavily researched, and as someone who has played every game for the last 8-9 years, I can honestly say I have heard of so many more players on FM before they followed in their virtual identities footsteps and made it big in real-life.
Regards the people who are saying £20 will get you access to the database by buying it, I think thats a very naive suggestion. Obviously, all these scouts that Sports Interactive (the game developers) use, are going to be making detailed and lengthy notes on what they see at games in order to accurately record player attributes, taking footage of players, etc etc. Any chance that this could be additional information that EFC will have access to aswell as anything found within the game itself? Think about it people.
Regards the people who are saying £20 will get you access to the database by buying it, I think thats a very naive suggestion. Obviously, all these scouts that Sports Interactive (the game developers) use, are going to be making detailed and lengthy notes on what they see at games in order to accurately record player attributes, taking footage of players, etc etc. Any chance that this could be additional information that EFC will have access to aswell as anything found within the game itself? Think about it people.
This is perhaps the most ironic thing I have ever heard!
Anyone remember all of the debates in the transfer window?
I think one of the most oft used lines was
"Player x? We aren’t playing FM here!"
Oh yes we are!
Doesn’t make it any easier to sign players though
Anyone remember all of the debates in the transfer window?
I think one of the most oft used lines was
"Player x? We aren’t playing FM here!"
Oh yes we are!
Doesn’t make it any easier to sign players though
I love Football Manager as much as the next person and have always been pretty impressed with their player database. But still, there seems something slightly amiss when one of the biggest clubs in the world's best league have to resort to a video game to help them with some pretty fundamental activities. Shouldn't we be the experts?
And isn't is there something even stranger about the club thinking that the Sega arrangement is something that should be announced publicly? Even if you are going to enter into that partnership, surely self-respect and dignity demands that you keep it quiet and pretend that you've done it through traditional means?
I'm all for trying new things. But I do find this slightly odd.
Liverpool fan in peace!
It seems a few people are confused by the deal which means everton get to look at the database before the game is released which is a good idea but the deal wasnt free they paid for the priviledge but one good signing would justify the small fee.
It seems a few people are confused by the deal which means everton get to look at the database before the game is released which is a good idea but the deal wasnt free they paid for the priviledge but one good signing would justify the small fee.
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