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2 points lost or 1 gained?

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Just over 31,000 braved the winter sunshine to watch the game at Goodison today.

It was one of them strange performances (again) where it was 2 points lost or 1 gained depending how you viewed the performance.

The first half was disjointed but we could have been well ahead or indeed behind by more than the single goal. Second half saw an improvement but nowhere near the dizzy heights of last season. Make no mistake, this time last year Boro would have got a good hiding.

There is something not quite right about the players this time around, attitude, body language determination especially at Goodison.

In turn, the crowd seems completely apathetic apart from sporadic moments. It has nothing to do with Carsley not being here, I think there is a deeper malaise, which Moyes alluded to a few weeks ago... Namely, January sales are likely to see more players leaving than arriving.

One of the most partisan crowds in the country have been all but silenced, but why?

Perhaps the summer of discontent has carried over and the fans are saying ?you can?t be arsed? so neither can we.
Whatever the reason it needs addressing and soon.
Anthony Dyer, Liverpool     Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:05:54

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Michael Kenrick
I thought it was a much better game and we played more constructive football than recent matches. The frustrations were still there, or course, and as you say, something is still not quite right. They just can't get themselves going with sufficient thrust and self-belief yet to play teams off the park.
Simon Theroux
1   Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:12:23

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What the hell does Arteta have to do to get dropped? He?s been shite all season, shite crosses, shite corners, does no tracking back at all. Moyes doesn?t have the bottle to drop him.
Ric Wallace
2   Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:14:16

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Michael, you’ve hit the nail on the head there.
Saha and Pienaar today epitomised that point. Saha just couldn’t find the right pass, no matter how hard he worked to hold the ball up and lay it off to other players. It was frustrating and unlucky.

Pienaar, and to be fair any player that was playing out wide today, just didn’t bomb down the wing, they preferred to cut in.

If we played at a higher tempo, regardless whether we improved our overall matchplay, we still would have won.

I was livid however at our crowd today. I can’t believe that the attendance was only 31,000 I’m sure a lot more were there. But why is it always a fucking morgue?

I accept the point that its a two way thing, the players need to give us something to shout about, but it comes a point like today when the players looked confused and didn’t know how to put things right, and all we did was boo them! How about getting behind them, because when we did, Boro seemed to buckle for a while, then we went back to being a library and Boro smothered the game.

We don’t have to sing all match, but at least get roused more than for a goal ffs Goodison.
Billy Dean
3   Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:47:44

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Simon, it’s got nothing to do with what Arteta has to do, it’s down to the manager to bring in sufficient back to be able to afford to drop him.

Steve Callaghan
4   Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:42:16

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"Perhaps the summer of discontent has carried over and the fans are saying ?you can?t be arsed? so neither can we. " - Anthony - you have hit the nail on the head dude. Apathy is what it is and I cannnot honestly blame any individual for wanting to spend more of their hard-earned cash and non-working time with their families than trotting along to Goodison.

Whether you agree with this stance or not people are voting with their feet. The summer sucked the life-blood out of our club and it will take a long time to recover. For me, we have to make serious decisions in January. Stick with Cahill, go back to 4-5-1 and sell the Yak or sell Cahill and stick with 4-4-2 are just some of the issues facing Moyes. Fellaini and Cahill are too similar and cannot play in the same midfield without introducing a serious lack of pace and a serious lack hole in terms of protecting the back four.

Why Arteta was not taken off plus Osman earlier and the likes of Vaughan and Anichebe not thrown on with at least 20 to go is beyond me ? they would have crumbled for me under pressure from three forwards earlier. We have the tools but we have failed to use them.

It may be that January will see one or two move on ? Yak, Arteta, Cahill, Baines even Lescott may be in the frame ? they all looked mighty pissed off at present. But clearly Moyes does not have enough craft in midfield to play that killer pass and something has got to give ? we may need to release one or two of our prize asessts to move forward ? as clearly there will be even less cash available with the ever decreasing attendances.

John Martin
5   Posted 16/11/2008 at 17:59:44

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Today was 2 points dropped from the outset when Moyes showed he?s not brave enough to drop certain players then when we got level and with subs to come on he sat down 2 forwards. At home to Boro at 1-1 and we didn't try anything different to win the game. That's the difference between Moyes and a really top manager. As soon as we scored we had them on the back foot we should of thrown Vaughan on then. But Moyes typically bottled it.
John Dooley
6   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:03:04

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What we need is a pacy winger with few tricks. Victor Obinna, if only. We need a defensive midfielder to break up play. We don?t have anyone who can win the ball back. We actually played better football when Castillo was in the side, regardless of the resault. He always gave the defenders an option. Arteta looks like his lost loads of pace. The balance isn?t right.

The way Everton are playing right now they?ll give someone a beating or they?ll take a beating ? something's got to give.

Trevor Lynes
7   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:06:36

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Today was the first time we have played football along the ground and passed far better than any other full game this season. The only thing lacking was the finish... we missed two or three excellent chances made from open play. Middlesborough were no mugs and I reckon it's the best Boro team I've seen for years.

We played quite well but Cahill is still not sharp yet and Arteta is also down on his best form..The defence passed the ball through midfield and I thought we were much better. If we had played against Blackburn and Pompey like we did today, we would have beaten both of them.

Ray Robinson
8   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:22:19

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I agree with Trevor. Boro are a half decent side who could teach us a thing or two when it comes to breaking at pace - Tuncay, Alves and Downing. We put together some reasonable passing moves but it was all too slow. Nevertheless, I don’t think the ball really ran for us and with the chances that we did we have, we should have won.

Several things were confirmed in crystal clear fashion for me today though. Neville’s position is right back, nowhere else, Arteta may be the best little Spaniard that we know but he needs to be dropped now, and Lescott is woefully lacking confidence.



Ant Gird
9   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:30:03

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From what I saw on telly Osman just couldn’t find a man with his short passing while Fellaini made some great passes to feet on the edge of the box and linked up defense and midfield as best we’ve seen this season. Cahill looked a bit lost in central midfield though.

Jag’s goal-saving (probably) tackle after Neville’s mistake was one of the finest I’ve seen.
Varun Rajwade
10   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:32:39

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We lack a few things this season. We have better ball players, but no one who bosses the mid. A player like Ballack, Lampard, Gerrard etc. Fellaini may still develop into one, but he is more of a 'cute pass' player.

We also lack a solid defensive mid. And finally, the very obvious, a fast winger; need not be the trickiest of them all, just someone with pace!!

Today, we were much better, and towards the end when Pienaar played we played a lot of good one-touch football, but we lack the incision. We are very workman-like and do not have the finesse.
Steve Williams
11   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:50:46

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Valid points from most above:

- a bit more football played,
- particular players, most notably Arteta, woefully out of form,
- we played at pedestrian pace and allowed Boro to get 10 men goalside far too easily when a higher tempo was needed,
- Fellaini’s best game by a mile, I might just be starting to change my opinion of him,
- Yakubu back to his laziest worst,
- Moyes was about to introduce two subs just before we score, then sits them back down! When will he ever learn that that subs can be used before the 80 minute mark?
- still far too much hoofball from the central defenders.

Overall still a poor, disjointed display as compared with how we know they can play and most definitely two points dropped, even if it was against a reasonable Boro side.
Stefan Tosev
12   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:08:08

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Good performance today, we tried to play it on the ground, made some good moves but wasted a lot of chances and dropped 2 points IMO, however I have no complaints as last week we maybe gained 2 ?undeserved?. My player ratings:

Howard 7 ? reliable, cant blame him for the goal and made one crucial save in the second half

Yobo 6 ? solid, but really should have scored
Jag 8 ? wow, didn?t put a foot wrong
Lescott 5 ? shaky and lacking confidence
Neville 7.5 ? great going forward and defensively

Arteta 5 ? don?t know what is happening with him, he was hiding throughout the game, didn?t take any responsibility, however his set pieces were better today
Cahill 6 - battling performance in unusual role for him, should have also scored though
Osman 5 - anonymous
Fellaini 7 ? tidy in possession and good going forward, unlucky not to score

Yak 6 ? missed a lot of chances and his body language is not right for me
Saha 7 ? decent performance, battled hard without end product
Duncan McDine
13   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:20:57

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Yeah, I pretty much agree with Stefan, though I don?t think Saha did all that well. The overall performance was fairly poor, but better than many other games this season... we created a lot of goal scoring chances today, so that?s a plus.

I must admit, my relative optimism is starting to dwindle! Its worrying times when Neville and Jags seem to be the only players with any urgency. They?ve shown good character this season, but Arteta, Ossie, Joleon, Cahill and Yak are all misfiring.
Brian Waring
14   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:23:17

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One thing I wish we would get out of our game, is the cheating. We have had the Yak, diving, and today, there was a incident in the match, that was bang out of order. I don’ t know if anyone else clocked it, But it was when Arteta was challenging for the ball, and was caught across the chest by a flailing arm, his reaction was a disgrace, he went down clutching his face, as if he had been caught a beaut by Tyson. We slag other players for doing this, because at the end of the day, you are trying to get an opponent sent off. It just seems, that lately, this bad side of the game, has been slowly creeping into our play, and I for one, don’t like it.
Richard Griffiths
15   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:32:34

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Results are everything. People who go to the match with an agenda annoy me. Er, who put the free kick in for the goal? Oh, yes, Arteta (aka Mikel when he was flavour of the month). Everton played well today, probably their best for a while. But we didnae win so let's blame someone. Whose turn is it? The guy who supposedly wanted to go back to Spain...
Colin Malone
16   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:54:50

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I've said it so many times. We need a midfield coach because Moyes has not got a clue in this department. Since Moyes has been here, when have we seen that defence-splitting ball for the likes of the Yak? NEVER. It's either pass it back, pass it sideways, or hoof it, no guile what so ever. Only for Jags we'd be split right open. Would Lineker or big Bob Latch have scored their 40 goals with this midfield that Moyes picks?

So get off Lescott's back. Get off the Yak's back.

Sorry but Moyes ain't a clue when it comes to picking a BALANCED midfield.
Stefan Tosev
17   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:41:35

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Richard,

I am blaming no one it was just my opinion on the game, I am a staunch Arteta supporter and have had arguments about him with many people on these pages and defended him fiercely but today, it appeared to me that he wasn?t that much involved and didn?t produce the form we know he is capable of.
Richard Griffiths
18   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:56:27

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Stefan
I can’t accept any criticsm of Arteta - he’s my favourite player.
Alan Clarke
19   Posted 16/11/2008 at 19:52:53

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Did anyone else notice our midfielders don’t tackle? The plan seems to be just to sit deep, crowd the midfield, wait for them to play a lose pass then intercept it. Have we stopped tackling for fear of being booked or sent off? After Fellaini’s 5 yellows and Cahill’s red against the shite, have the refs succeeded in making it a non-contact sport?

Also, although I think Fellaini played quite well, his passing does seem slow. It seemed to take the ’fizz’ out of our attack.
Graham Nolan
20   Posted 16/11/2008 at 16:44:51

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It is time for Moyes to be bold and drop Mikel Arteta. Unfortunately Mikel has been very poor this season and in today's game he was a peripheral figure. Nobody has a divine right to play for the team and that includes Arteta.
Will Bruce
21   Posted 16/11/2008 at 18:28:57

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Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Football is a simple game. The late great Brian Clough said......."if Football was meant to be played in the sky, then God would have put grass up there", I saw the game today, but surely, a 15- or 30-yard pass, to nobody, is bad football. Pass and move... that is football. And these players are being paid how much?
Dennis Karanikolopoulos
22   Posted 16/11/2008 at 20:19:21

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Why drop Arteta? Thought most of his corners were really dangerous. Anyhow, the biggest problem we had today was our UNBALANCED MIDFIELD, not one player’s performance.

Fancy playing Cahill in a HOLDING role, behind Fellaini.

Ridiculous.

Clearly they both can’t play together in a 4-4-2, we need a holder behind one of those two, with the wingers overlapping.

Wouldn’t have thought it’s rocket science....but the teamsheet speaks for itself.

Tony Williams
23   Posted 16/11/2008 at 20:29:56

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Why are people once again picking up on the attendance? Did you see the away fans, all 300 of them. Yes there were empty seats but as with Fulham we awere on telly and they filled up about 10% of their allocation.

As with Cahill and Fellaini not being able to play together, I personally though Tim was our man of the match, especially in the first half, he was the one pushing the team forward (Cue Ciaran with his "Cahill is no good in a 4-man midfield" rant).
Iain love
24   Posted 16/11/2008 at 20:24:30

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Didn?t get the result we probably should have, not a bad game to watch and much better than recent performances, Screech looking better and flashes of Saha's pedigree. We aren?t back to some of last seasons highs but what has always been the case before "if Micky and Tiny Tim don't play well we get beat" ? neither of these players are in form at the moment but we are getting results and today we got an improved performance. If only we could get a decent winger,
ps: Jan transfer window, Wigan's De Ridder, That's if Moyes reads these posts.
Jonathan Tasker
25   Posted 16/11/2008 at 20:45:53

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Yak doesn?t seem interested; he never stays anywhere long so accept that he is off; him and Saha are a luxury; much better to go 4-5-1

Cahill is not good enough for 4-4-2; too many similar palyers in midfield; it?s so obvious that we need a Lee Carsley clogger type player; there must be one around

When is Moyes going to understand the art of substitutions? It must do Vaughan and Anichebe?s heads in to only get a few minutes play. My dog realised very early on that we needed to change it.
Arthur Westhead
26   Posted 16/11/2008 at 21:12:16

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Today proves:
Ossie has not got pace for a winger - but been one of our best in central midfield recently.
Arteta has played so badly all season, how does he justify a place? Have you seen his, in the main, pathetic deadball delivery. Why is nobody else allowed to take one!
Cahill cannot play in 4 4 2. Ineffective.
Fellaini - good prospect, attacking midfielder, not defensive.
So we have a midfield 4 of which 2 shouldn’t be there and 2 are in wrong position.
Castillo - why are we bothering to pay his wages? From the brief time he has played he looks the defensive midfielder we need. Why didn’t he play today?
Pienar should have started.
Vaughan should have been on for more than 5 mins.
Surely most, if not all, my points are obvious. So why do we start with such a badly balanced team? I just wish Moyes would explain his thinking. Maybe then I would understand.
Moyes - you cannot argue with his results/league position. But cups record! His tactics ruined Beattie, then Johnson and now Yak is suffering. He has built a good squad - but is not making the most of it.
Sean Condon
27   Posted 16/11/2008 at 22:43:35

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We played as well today as we have in many months, excepting perhaps the 2nd half against the Mancs. There was a refreshing lack of the ol? hoofball, and Fellaini is beginning to make a difference in the link up play. Jags was out of his skin. I actually thought that Arteta looked as lively and efficient as anyone out there (except for those near post corners.... christ, doesn?t he practice them?).

That being said.... Cahill, good lord, I once thought that I?d never have a bad word to say about him... but he is fucking lost. And Peanut should have started in place of Osman. They are similar players, true, but Pienaar is quicker, more fluid in picking the ball up and moving it and possesses a slightly better touch.

Speaking of game little Leon, OK, he scores a wonderful goal about once every eight games or so, but his first touch is amateurish and his sense of where the opposition is when he actually does control the ball is, well, non-existent. Is there a midfielder in the league that can turn attack into defence as quickly, or as often, as he does?

And Howard. Fuck me. OK, the midfield was at fault all day long when it came to tracking back (I thought they were going to score on every counter-attack, they had that much space, and they probably would have were it not for the three defenders we had on the pitch). And on the goal, it looked like Neville was slow getting back and the other three shifted over, leaving Lescott to try and cover two men. But Howard?s effort on O?Neil?s shot was just woeful. It wasn?t even that hard of a shot, and it went right under his bloody arm. That?s my major complaint against him: when the back four fail he never, ever, ever bails them out with a great one-on-one save. Like pretty much every other keeper in the league does! Like Turnbull did a few minutes later when the Yak was through. But we?re unbeaten in five, so...

One other thing..... why does DM persist with bringing Anichebe on before the far livelier Vaughan? Anichebe will never be a Premier League quality striker, but Jimmy V might..... if he ever got a chance to play more than three minutes a match.

Sean Condon
28   Posted 16/11/2008 at 23:10:19

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I agree with those above who stated that this was the best Middlesbrough side in some time. They had willing, tough players all over the pitch and Tuncay and Alves are both pretty quality forwards. Thank god for Jags and Joey, with a lesser centre-back pairing Alves would?ve had a hat trick. But thank Marx we didn?t sign Downing. What has happened to that guy? He?s turned to dogshit over the last couple of seasons. Jeez, we complain about Arteta and Cahill. Imagine where we?d be with Downing, Scottie Parker and Barry Ferguson! Brrrr..
Sean Condon
29   Posted 16/11/2008 at 23:17:44

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...not to mention Sean Davis.
Mark Pendleton
30   Posted 16/11/2008 at 23:29:54

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31,000 there but did you see the Boro corner? that was a fair few thousand empty seats.

Thought Neville was fantastic today, credit where credit?s due. Fellaini is getting better and better (although doesn?t get any favours from Referees).

Arteta (despite providing the ball for the goal) has been very disappointing. His set piece deliveries were poor. Maybe a few games out would do him good, bring in Pienaar.

As for Lescott, he was marking no-one for their goal, getting dragged in by ball watching. He did seem like a man possessed after that point though to try and get forward to rectify it.
Dennis Karanikolopoulos
31   Posted 16/11/2008 at 23:32:19

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Exactly right Sean....and the one signing I am overjoyed we never succeeded in a few years ago is Titus Bramble. Is he the cause for most goals conceded in the league or what??!!!!
Sean Condon
32   Posted 17/11/2008 at 04:08:22

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Well, of course. But I love Titus Bramble. Great name, always looks high, gifted us a win last year then scored the equalizer against the Shite with a thunderbolt!

Really, what more could you ask for from an opposition player?
Nick Xenos
33   Posted 17/11/2008 at 06:37:00

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Alan wrote: "Also, although I think Fellaini played quite well, his passing does seem slow. It seemed to take the ?fizz? out of our attack".

The reason why our passing seems slow at times is because there’s no runs been made beyond the player with possession. This means that we always have to play the ball either sidewards or backwards the majority of times. Hard-working wingers like James Milner, and Shaun Wright-Phillips are what this team needs. How many times did we get behind the Boro defence? I’m sure that good wingers will offer us more options going forward and will also create more gaps in opposing defences. If you look at all the top teams, they are filled to the brim with quality wingers.
Richard Dodd
34   Posted 17/11/2008 at 09:32:32

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How people can be so critical of what was our best performance of the season is beyond me. As Davey said we played some good football and with any luck could have won by a margin. But they just didn?t go in.

By any standards we had a bad summer and early season as the manager understandably pondered on his future. BB was always confident that, given the right security for his family, Davey would commit to the Club long term. And so it has proved. Once the deal was finalised, Davey got the team firing on all cylinders and there can be little doubt that another challenge for a European place is in store.

Let?s not critise just for the sake of seeing our names in print. Please!

Matt Byrne
35   Posted 17/11/2008 at 09:30:07

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I thought we were crying out for width yesterday. Every time the central midfielders got the ball they were looking out wide and there was no one there to give it to, as a result they had to cut back inside and dither.

True wingers are hard to come by though, but maybe Aaron Lennon would be available from Tottenham for the right, and the left is tricky, I am not a big fan of Downing, Baines is not a winger, but Morten Gamst Pedersen of Blackburn could be an option or Damien Duff.

Arteta is not cutting the mustard, out of the first 10 corners only 2 got past the first post, that?s not good enough and put is under pressure, every time they broke free. I also noticed that they picked up everything on the edge of the box, they seemed more prepared for this than us.

I think Moyes stuck with Lescott as one moment can lead to him getting his confidence back, that moment should have been West Ham last week; on this performance clearly not. I think we can do with dropping Lescott and Arteta to the bench, take them out of the firing line for a while. Then make the fans demand to bring them on rather than take them off? It certainly can?t do any harm.

Ben Dyke
36   Posted 17/11/2008 at 12:32:45

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Just wanted to make a point about missing fans and apathy etc. I am one of the missing fans this year ? went to about 15 games last year but not been to a single one so far ? home or away and wont be going in a hurry except for when home at Christmas.

And why?

1. Still miffed with whole club about missed opportunity in summer to build on excellent season ? which translated thru to early Euro exit like when we finished 4th.
2. Money is whole lot tighter this year.
3. Not willing to spend money on home games until our form improves as I can't risk losing and wasting time/money.
4. We have been on telly enough to keep me satisfiied and I can also watch games over internet even when not on TV.

If I lived nearer and didn't have kids it would be less of an issue BUT it's not worth it this year yet...

And yes, to all you hardened fans still turning up, I deserve a bit of stick ? but that?s life!
John Hughes
37   Posted 17/11/2008 at 12:26:50

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Richard Dodd - Anyone who dares to be objective is beyond you, I?m afraid. "There can be little doubt that another challenge for a European place is in store"??? Little doubt? Just which planet are you on? Moyes is not equipped to take this Club to the next level; he lacks tactical nous and does not even possess the vision to read a game as it develops over 90 minutes, something that separates the Wengers, Fergusons and Capellos from the crowd.

Something else Richard, don?t give us this family security nonsense please ? I consider it insulting comparing Moyes?s earnings with most of us mere mortals ? he can afford to secure his family?s future after six months of his contract for goodness sake!

Damian Wilde
38   Posted 17/11/2008 at 12:55:29

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Sometimes (not very often) we have one of the noisiest, best crowds in the country but a lot of the time, it is quite frankly, embarrasing. It is so quiet it is unbelievable. People bang on about people not being able to stand in the GS and the roof, fact is, Everton?s crowd at home is (the majority of the time) quiet and we are shite singers. I remember a ?Feed the Yak...? after the goal for about 8 seconds and one pathetic ?Everton? that last ed about 1.5 seconds.

And let?s not have all this ?ye, but the players don?t do enough to make us sing' shite. I went to a Colchester game a few seasons ago, fucking awful game, awful ground, awful team ? the crowd sung more in that game than they do in a season at Goodison. Stop blaming others, if you want to sing, want an atmosphere, sing, make some noise ffs.

Alan, I thought Fellaini and especially Cahill got in quite a few tackles yesterday. But I think we should be closing down more, being a bit snappier. Should have got all 3 points, but it was nice to see us play some football. We played decent at times, a positive to take away. Against West Ham we were shite and got all 3 points, so it happens.

David Holroyd
39   Posted 17/11/2008 at 13:15:13

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We have got to face it, the team is not balanced at the moment. Not one of the back 4 has a decent pass in them, so we need a player to take the ball off them. The midfield is the key to everything Cahill and Fellaini won't gell ? it's one or the other. A winger is a must in the transfer window.
Jay Harris
40   Posted 17/11/2008 at 14:23:03

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Just to sum up what a lot of other posters have said.

Our MF is totally unbalanced.

Why move Ossie out to the wing when he?s done well recently in the centre.

Cahill and Fellaini cannot be a central MF pairing.

Either play Cahill in support of the YAk and leave Saha on the bench or leave him out.

I cannot for the life of me understand what Baines has done wrong to not get a starting place in this team.

I have said for a while that playing him left MF gives us wide options that we currently don't have and when Saha and YAk are playing would give us good crosses from the wing and he could also cover for Lescott which Arteta patently didn't do for their goal.

If the rumours about Castillo having a fall out with Moyes are true then that needs resolving too as he could be a useful addition to the squad at the moment.

Moyesy seems to fond of spitting his dummy out of the pram and leaving it there.
Clyde McPhat
41   Posted 17/11/2008 at 21:45:40

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Did someone up the list of posts here actually complain about Howard on the Boro goal....?? You?re kidding right? Let?s see, break, wide open shot, 8 yards of goal, and a defender diving across, and the ball goes in off the post. That surely is Howard?s fault.... NOT.

How about the game saver he made later, you clown?
Sean Condon
42   Posted 18/11/2008 at 02:17:51

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What, the worm-cutter from Digard (I think) that a 12-year-old coulda caught? That Howard palmed onto the post? Give me a fucking break.
Kieran Fitzgerald
43   Posted 17/11/2008 at 17:36:40

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One thing that stood out for me from the game on Sunday was the fact that Moyes went 4-4-2 and the team actually tried to play football.

I know there were problems with the midfield but we had two quality forwards up-front and we actually tried to provide proper service, especially crosses, to them. We created a decent amount of proper chances too and I just think that we will start to take more of them once our team actually gets used to having the them in the first place. I think that Moyes is looking to make the most out of a fully fit Saha, the guy is genuine quality after all. His partnership with Yakubu could blossom given enough time.


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