And I was talking to the Queen who said pretty much the same thing about Tesco... Michael, have you taken a holiday on us? How does a car park attendant know the intimate details of a stadium that hasn?t been approved let alone designed to the building specs? And 50,000 supporters are only going to use 400 cars to get them to the match? Ashley, do you believe everything the car park attendant tells you?

Did he have advice on how we could beat Boro? Because if he said we should play four in the middle and that four wouldn?t be able to put together two passes I would believe his KP story about the fucking lot.

And people wonder why no-one wants to buy Everton. It seems we have the stupidest group of supporters this side of the Park. Only the RS supporters are dumber because they believe two American owners are going to build them a state of the art stadium where it won?t cost ANYTHING to park.

This is amazing..... what else you got? How much are the pies going to cost? Will a pint be less than a pint? And we will play all our matches Thursday afternoon because everyone goes shopping on Saturday and they need Sunday to clean up and Friday is out of the question because its too close to Saturday. Michael.... please... please... c?mon back and edit for us again. All is forgiven.

If a car park attendant told you to put your hand in the fire, would you do it?

Next he will be telling us KEIOC represent the majority of Everton Fans and the loop is a viable option!! Or even the Lib Dems or the LCC will step in and help us re-develop GP?? Tesco are in this deal to get a return, of course they are, why wouldn?t they? The fact is simple: we have no money so we have to beg for handouts and this is the only one deliverable, and that?s the sad story for all of us ? we have a choice on one purely down to the fact we have NO MONEY!!

You can have as many conspiracy theories as you wish but we all, no matter which side of the line we lay, can't get past the finance package that we can support. EFC is not self-sufficient so we need commercial partners; we don?t have any other than Tesco. Should we find another partner then the debate becomes more practical; until then, it?s just another hot air post based on slander and deception to aid the No camp. COYB no matter where you play.

Alan ? Of course KEIOC don't represent the views of all EFC fans, I'm sure all the fans pretty much agree with you and want to leave our home of 116 years and move outside the city to and supermarket carpark in a second rate stadium and put ourselves in more debt... I mean you would have to be crazy not to want to do that wouldn't you!

Quite simply......BORING!!! No more debate, anicdotes... secret messages from pet dogs about DK!!!!!

Stop it, and await the enquiry FFS!

As a side issue, does anyone know why all the streets off Utting Avenue are now residents parking only? This goes all the way across to Townsend Avenue which means that you have to park about a mile from the ground which almost defeats the object of travelling by car in the first place.

Does anyone know why this has been brought in? Is it an attempt by the powers that be to force us out of our cars and onto public transport?

Clyde,

You’re right...we must have some of the most braindead fans ..

I mean seriously, who would’ve believed the complete and utter bullshít that Wyness spun us in order to get his vote on Kirkby!

And still they’re falling for it....

Thanks for the insight Clyde.

I wish people would stop referring to it as "Destination Kirkby", as it seems we?re all being softened up to accept the idea, and giving it a catchy title seems, to me, to be part of the process of mass acceptance. Naturally, I?m against it...

Why can?t people spell KIRKBY right. It's on just about everything associated with the club at the moment yet moron after moron spell it without the second K. I know it's silent but it?s there so put it in. I know it's not the end of the world but FFS if you're going to put these comments on spell it correctly.

KIRKBY literally means Settlement or Church and dates back to 870 AD, which incidentally was the last year Liverpool didn?t get a dodgy pen!

Kevin,

Would you not have been better waiting until someone mispelt it before going on a rant?

It’s "If you’re going to put these comments"

A reminder of the official guidance so far on this matter:

"3.4 The relocation of Everton FC from Goodison Park to a new location in Kirkby presents an opportunity to provide new transport facilities to encourage spectators not to drive to the stadium. These new facilities combined with proposals to limit parking at the stadium, and restrict parking close to the stadium, will encourage a shift away from the private car and towards public transport. The existing mode split of spectators at Goodison Park, other UK stadia and GIS analysis has also helped informed the modal split targets for the new stadium at Kirkby.

3.5 The main target for the Travel Plan will be the achievement of a 45% non-car mode share as shown in Table 3.1.

3.6 It is noted that the non-car modal share for home spectator?s traveling to the local area before walking to Goodison Park for the Everton v Birmingham match on Saturday 3rd November 2007 was approximately 28%."

Source: http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/resources/234042/cd1_5_18_matchdaytravelplan.pdf

In other words THERE WILL BE VIRTUALLY NO CAR PARKING AT OR NEAR THE STADIUM FOR "ORDINARY" SUPPORTERS. If you drive to the match at the moment, and still intend to go if this fiasco somehow gets the go ahead, you are going to have to get used to either (a) much longer walks to and from the car than is ever the case at Goodison or (b) waiting in all weathers for a Park and Ride bus service that by the club?s own admission will need three complete round trips to pick up all those expected to use it, simply due to the safe capacity of the roads accessing the stadium and the numbers of buses actually available on a Saturday afternoon (or whenever else the matches are moved to for Sky and Setanta).

The gap between what some people think they voted Yes to and what they are actually going to get is simply mind-boggling.

Ciaran, look at the title of the post.

Just don?t fukin? park there then lad ? Jesus Christ.

What about the cost of running and maintaining the car park, security, lighting, the cost of making it in the first place ? all things that you have missed out...

I think that £20 per game wouldn?t be much more than what those people pay in the Park End and Bullens Road car parks anyway.

Of course Tesco are in it to make money ? why else would they agree to the whole venture. You must be either very naive or stupid ? or both.

Europe?

My view on Kirkby is the brain dead people who took us there can enjoy it. I won?t be there, to be honest 56% of Everton fans won't. I have washed my hands with it.

I believe a Yes voter will also be a supporter of Moyes and 4-5-1. This is beacuse both cases are short-term and both cases won?t work!

Those that understand need no explanation; those that don?t, don?t matter!!!!

Spelling:

Kevin, Ciarán, Steve... typos and other mistakes are prevalent in most posts. I fix those I see as I?m scanning the contributions ? including yours, Kevin:

your or you?re?
Its or It?s?

Those pesky apostrophes catch most people out.

You?re dead right about Kirby / Kirkby though... but you should see how many people cannot spell Pienaar!

Alan Willo,
I find it frustrating that KEIOC has become ?Keep Everton Out Of Kirkby? and appears to have lost it?s focus somehow. If KEIOC came up with a viable alternative option for a site/partner/financial plan (or any one of these) it?s almost certain that they would have the support of the majority of fans. Remember Switch Island? How come it didn?t seem so controversial to consider relocation to Sefton?

Also, weren?t we listed by Deloitte as the 18th richest club in the world a couple of years ago? (Deloitte?s quote: "Everton made it into the list for the first time after finishing fourth in the English Premiership"). So how come money is the only issue to consider? The club has mismanaged the finances and the relocation to the n-th degree and some of the supporters have become so blinkered against the Kirkby site that they are even bringing up hypothetical car park charges to defend an argument.

We all know the club itself has no Plan B; the reasons for which are supposedly given in today?s statement by Robert Elstone in the Daily Post - ?We?ve had an extensive search for a decade for alternatives and we?ve had an open door policy for much of that time, which has included the likes of Keep Everton In Our City and our fans. But after all that searching it?s plain to see that there is no alternative.? Clearly a statement that most people, including me, would disagree with.

Whether this inquiry goes for or against the club, where will it take us? Despite all the postings and proposals put forward in recent years, I am yet to see a really convincing argument that DK is a good thing or that there is a realistic Plan B in existence anywhere.

(Regarding parking charges ? I can understand why these act like a red rag to a bull; especially following comments made on this site recently about our travelling band of filthy racist thugs ? it?s hardly surprising that people would prefer their own car to public transport, wherever the stadium is located. Perhaps Mick McCarthy can find some ?official guidance? from the club as to how the racist problem will be solved in Kirkby.)

Paul

I could certainly offer *unofficial* guidance as to what to do with any racist thugs you encounter at Everton games or anywhere else for that matter.

But back to the question of driving vs. public transport, I can declare a vested interest here in the sense that I already have a 350+ mile round trip to home games which already take 6 or 7 hours on average. I am lucky enough to have acquired (after 20 odd years as a season ticket holder) one of the official parking spots near the ground, for which I pay circa £12 per game for the privilege. For me Kirkby would involve AT LEAST another hour or two on the journey time no matter what form of journey that entailed:

- park in the only area set aside for ’ordinary’ supporters, which the club have admitted will be up to 45 minutes walk each way from the stadium - at least twice what it takes to get to the very back of the main Stanley Park car park

- drive to one of the Park and Ride sites at say Aintree, with the slightly longer drive dwarfed by the inevitable waits for buses at each end, particularly after the game when an hour-plus wait is very likely given the access issues I mentioned above

- park in Liverpool city centre (or get the train up) then get public transport or an expensive taxi from there

The irony is though that people in my circumstances aren’t the issue for Everton. I am already used to a home match involving a long day. It’s the locals who are used to the journey to and from the game being a trivial part of the day who will be hit hardest.

The transport and parking issues are some of the major reasons why Kirkby has always been a non-starter. I know that I won’t be there to witness it but I just wish a few more of the people who voted ’Yes’ to this fiasco had bothered to think some of these things through before doing so. To me there is only decision you can possibly make once you’ve done that - that setting in Kirkby is be the last place you’d want to be if you were looking to increase crowds from where they are now. Once you accept that, what on earth is the point of moving there in the first place??

I cannot see them getting the go ahead. I know I'm going over old ground but Kirkby station / northern line cannot take the amount fans.

I take it the Health and Safety Executive will be involved during this inquiry. There are too many H/S issues. I've supported the blues for over 40 years and I would love them to get the loop.

I won't be going to Kirkby. Imagine the early kick offs.... you'll have to set out at 8am.

No chaps, the parking problems of Kirkby won?t affect me either as I will call it a day if it goes through. I know I won't be on my own. If I had voted for Kirkby I would be really worried about my fellow supporters turning up.

For an Evertonian, it?s a pretty desperate time right now awaiting our fate. Hopefully we will have a decision before next season's ticket renewals land on the mat.