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Someone please send this link to our board and ask them how can it cost the Hammers 50 million IN LONDON to expand their ground from 34,000 capacity to 50,000 and increase revenue by 12 million and our lot say doing the same at GP will cost more than Desperation Kirkby!
Eric Myles, Posted 18/11/2008 at 08:40:22
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Can?t you send it Eric?
Stupid post ?
1) They have redeveloped the main stand already at West Ham
2) They are proposing one stand and corners ? whereas Goodison would need all four stands and corners
3) Have you thought about the cost of buying up the land around Goodison to build? West Ham do not have that cost.
4) £100 million for a whole new stadium or £100 million probably just about covering the main stand at Goodison??
1) They have redeveloped the main stand already at West Ham
2) They are proposing one stand and corners ? whereas Goodison would need all four stands and corners
3) Have you thought about the cost of buying up the land around Goodison to build? West Ham do not have that cost.
4) £100 million for a whole new stadium or £100 million probably just about covering the main stand at Goodison??
It’s a valid point you make Eric, but when you get totaly blinkered and negative replies like above it shows what were up against.
It’s been proved on this web site that it can be done if there is a will. Unfortunately the people who run our club havn’t got it, and also some of our supporters.
It’s been proved on this web site that it can be done if there is a will. Unfortunately the people who run our club havn’t got it, and also some of our supporters.
Alex
West Ham propose to spend the same as Everton (allegedly!) to generate the same additional revenue without the need to move home. Sounds good to me. (Although the latest suggestion is that DK produces only +£6m revenue - oops!)
Your points:
1) If WHU can do one stand and two corners for £50m how can the Bullens cost £71m? (And it’s the East Stand that they’re doing next, so we’re comparing a long stand with a long stand). In any case, they’ve already redeveloped their Main Stand - for £35m (and not all of that sum went on that stand).
2) The WHU redevelopment is providing 15k seats but only about 5k are additional. So why would Goodison need all four stands redeveloped to provide the same capacity increase, to generate the same additional revenue? Although if they’re getting +£12m revenue from +5k seats, how come Everton are only getting half that revenue (+£6m) from twice the number of additional seats at DK (+10k)?
3) The replacement East Stand will ’fly’ over Priory Road - but such a technique can’t be achieved at GP apparently. LOL. Seems to work alright at Old Trafford, though.
4) As stated above WHU have redeveloped the West Stand, their Main Stand, for £35m. So how does our Main Stand suddenly cost £100m - you’re just quoting random figures now.
So, err, which post was stupid? Which part of the original post would the board not be interested in - surely not the making more money but spending less part?
West Ham propose to spend the same as Everton (allegedly!) to generate the same additional revenue without the need to move home. Sounds good to me. (Although the latest suggestion is that DK produces only +£6m revenue - oops!)
Your points:
1) If WHU can do one stand and two corners for £50m how can the Bullens cost £71m? (And it’s the East Stand that they’re doing next, so we’re comparing a long stand with a long stand). In any case, they’ve already redeveloped their Main Stand - for £35m (and not all of that sum went on that stand).
2) The WHU redevelopment is providing 15k seats but only about 5k are additional. So why would Goodison need all four stands redeveloped to provide the same capacity increase, to generate the same additional revenue? Although if they’re getting +£12m revenue from +5k seats, how come Everton are only getting half that revenue (+£6m) from twice the number of additional seats at DK (+10k)?
3) The replacement East Stand will ’fly’ over Priory Road - but such a technique can’t be achieved at GP apparently. LOL. Seems to work alright at Old Trafford, though.
4) As stated above WHU have redeveloped the West Stand, their Main Stand, for £35m. So how does our Main Stand suddenly cost £100m - you’re just quoting random figures now.
So, err, which post was stupid? Which part of the original post would the board not be interested in - surely not the making more money but spending less part?
If it was possible to redevelop Goodison than everyone would be for it - but get real. It is simply not possible. Its in the wrong place, surrounded by main roads and houses.
Stupid response Alex.
The comparison is between the Hammers expanding one additional stand (their Main Stand doesn’t come into the equation as that’s increased their capacity to the 34,000 stated already) and GP expanding Park End which can be done without buying up extra land, or affecting our other 3 stands.
So if a LONG stand IN LONDON only costs 35 million to rebuild, how much CHEAPER will a short stand at Goodison be?
The comparison is between the Hammers expanding one additional stand (their Main Stand doesn’t come into the equation as that’s increased their capacity to the 34,000 stated already) and GP expanding Park End which can be done without buying up extra land, or affecting our other 3 stands.
So if a LONG stand IN LONDON only costs 35 million to rebuild, how much CHEAPER will a short stand at Goodison be?
It there are empty seats at GP today, do we need a stadium capacity of 50 thousand?
Helge,
Whilst I’m completely against moving to Kirkby, the facilities and views currently on offer at Goodison will put some people off going.
Either a new stadium, or a redeveloped Goodison would certainly bring in larger crowds, the quesion is how much larger?
Whilst I’m completely against moving to Kirkby, the facilities and views currently on offer at Goodison will put some people off going.
Either a new stadium, or a redeveloped Goodison would certainly bring in larger crowds, the quesion is how much larger?
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But I get your drift and I think the costs of redeveloping GP are far overstated. We could go for that 50000-figure with just expanding the Park End and that should cost less than the 50M projected by the Hammers. It would leave a lot of issues with GP unattended, though.