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Am divorced not living with my boys but took the chance to take them to see the lads at an away game. We are season ticket holders and I thought it would be a treat. We agreed that the line up is our best possible 11 and having braved the weather and enjoyed a beer followed by cold chips we took our place in the North stand which could have doubled as the North Pole. Cold.

The football was garbage, both teams rubbish and we have a few contenders for "get me out of here". I posted on here after the England game last week and how those I noted would have been a welcome addition. Both full backs were poor, "the best little ..." well god help Spain, "Feed the..." well he looks like and acts like he has been well fed. Victor is not a right winger, Leon needs to get off the floor, and Wigan were not that good.... Where does Tiny fit in?

As for tactics, they were well moved during the game, but surely, Wigan? Not Chelsea/Arsenal, no apparent plan no width, and free kicks and corners WTF? Think a bit if time in a cold dark room is needed as on tonight's showing we have a few issues.

Last year, the team confounded my usual view that they lose because they are lazy bastards, but tonight they did not look like a team or individuals who gave a fuck. There are exceptions, of course, and others will view it a different way.

Tiny Tim looked gutted at the end, Tim in goal was really good, but we are along way from going forward and having bought tickets at £60 plus for the boys and me, having travelled, had the obligatory beer and chips, adding in the programme, it was a big effort for me (and a packed stand of loyal committed Evertonians) and i wonder about the same effort on the pitch...
Ian Smitham, Wilmslow     Posted 25/11/2008 at 01:18:30

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Dan Parker
1   Posted 25/11/2008 at 04:45:05

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People losing jobs right left and centre, economy in a mess but people still shell out and set money aside to watch their beloved team. Premier League footballers are contractors essentially and should take a 20% pay cut. Their performance levels are annually ?Needs Improvement? and it?s simply not good enough.
Nick Veitch
2   Posted 25/11/2008 at 04:53:14

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I?m sorry you paid so much for the garbage served up. I unfortunate woke up at 6am to watch it on the telly.

I feel one of the worst things about the way we are playing is that we will not attract supporters at all. I know people say ?who gives a fuck??, but I don?t agree. With the Premier League being a worldwide franchise, it?s imperative that you attract audiences from around the world. We are a very unattractive proposition for neutral supporters. Almost every game the commentators are saying how bad the games are.

I just really believe that Moyes has no tactical nouse whatsoever. There doesn?t seem any structure, and he just simply plays who he believes are the best 11 players rather than positions that they are suited to.

With no money coming in January, I think we?re going to have to accept that Kirkby is the only option for progress. We need to attract a large investor (and quickly), and this will only happen with Kirkby going ahead. I?m not a fan of Kirkby myself, but I can?t see another short-term option.

Derek Thomas
3   Posted 25/11/2008 at 05:38:52

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Nick, whatever the question is, Kirkby is not the answer, short or long term.

The problem is in the here and now, well the 90 mins next Sunday bit of it anyway.
markbenson
4   Posted 25/11/2008 at 07:49:17

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That was it for me tonight we were shite
moyes has lost it for me ,we have no heart or balance whatsoever mark my words this is the season we will go down and kenwright is so spaced out he wont even realise
John Waugh
5   Posted 25/11/2008 at 08:06:41

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The answer’s easy....stop going.
I have my (and sons) season ticket this year (38 years consecutively) and we both agree this will be the last. Overpriced, zero entertainment , players who don’t try etc etc.
We are all being taken for mugs and the only way all of football will change is when people vote with their pockets. EFC are mo worse than any other prem clubs except our is probably the least entertaining brand of football being played. At least Stoke have a game plan.
Alan Khan
6   Posted 25/11/2008 at 08:08:59

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Ian - I agree. We have to question the commitment of the players. Ultimately, they are at the business end of our onfield performance and yes, whilst Moyes may offer little in terms of tactical ability and response time, I cannot accept that we are seeing and getting the best from the likes of Yak, Arteta and Lescott.

Whilst we have a small squad, we should look at giving one or two others chance.

Last night was extremely pathetic. We were mediocre and very very average. The lads msut up their game this weekend and prove to the fans and to themselves that they are deserving of pulling on the Everton jersey. COYB!!!
Gareth Mercer
7   Posted 25/11/2008 at 08:24:37

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I think we can all agree today on last nights performance. Having foolishly travelled from London to watch this drivvle on a cold Monday night I feel totally robbed. Don’t you think Wigan looked half asleep for the first 10 minutes? Any team in the league could have taken advantage of this but not us. Wigan were totally awful, but there are no words to describe us, none!!!!

I cannot believe what I saw, an utter shambles. The sad thing is that I will be going to the Spurs game on Sunday too, and I fear we are in for a pasting. Part of me, a very small part, wants us to suffer and flirt with relegation just so something gets doen about this. Moyes is losing support at a rapid rate, and why not? No flair, no cohesiveness, no chance.
Chris Sillett
8   Posted 25/11/2008 at 09:09:59

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I have to say last nights performance was one of the worst i have ever witnessed by an Everton team, and i have seen some shocking ones let me tell you. The actual game resembled more of a sunday morning ale house match than a premier league "clash", god knows what people in other countries must think of the premiership after viewing that garbage. Its obvious to everyone we have got problems throughout the team, and for me the wins over Bolton, Fulham and West Ham were merely papering over the cracks as had we been playing opposition with more quality or confidence we would of quite comfortably been beaten in those three games.
Mark Wilson
9   Posted 25/11/2008 at 09:18:58

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Down here in Sunny SA I watched from 22.00 to 24.00 and sitting at my desk this morning wonder if it was worth it. Howard played out of his skin, Neville, Jags and Yobo tried. We have 2 up front trying to do something with no service, no wonder hoof ball is the order of the day with the midfield playing like that. Tiny Tim on the right FFS, Ossie on the floor all night, Arteta drifting anywhere, Fallaini non existant 2nd half. Something has to be done about a plan for the midfiled - maybe introduce the back 4 to the midfield before they start the game, so we can pass to one another. For crying out loud we wore luminous yellow kit last night and we still couldn’t find each other. As a Moyes supporter I am seriously wondering whether he can take us any further? And to make matters worse kopite Paul Walsh was adding his 2 cents of drivel.
larry bird
10   Posted 25/11/2008 at 09:48:36

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Just read a quote from Moyes in the post:
"It wasn?t as good as we have been in recent weeks"

Who is he trying to kid. Last nigts performance was just as good (or should I say dreadful) as we have been in recent weeks.

We possibly played better last night than we did against Bolton, Fulham or West Ham but our luck must be running out..

We are completely devoid of ideas as was demonstrated time and again last night. We need to bypass the midfield with punt after effing punt because we haven’t got the guile or technical ability to create anything.
And what does Moyes do? Absolutely nothing!! He was forced into one change because Saha did his hamstring and he tried to change the game by swopping fullbacks with about 11 seconds left!!

How badly do Arteta, Lescott et al have to play before they are substituted??
Watching last night I reckon they must have a bet on to see who will be taken off first..
steve beck
11   Posted 25/11/2008 at 10:17:37

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Im afraid we are going to have to get used to this crap as David Moyes does not seem to know how to change it.If he cannot see the problems which most of the posters on here do I think he should seriously give thought to walking!
Martin Kulkarni
12   Posted 25/11/2008 at 09:50:08

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The Lexicon of Mediocrity

Risible
Embarassing
Listless
Excrutiating
Gutless
Abysmal
Inept
Overpaid
Negligent

Howard apart,the rest playing in yellow (how apt) were a total and utter disgrace to the shirt and the fans.

With Moyes here for another 5 years, a largely gutless and clueless squad,no money and a more than half empty Desolation Kirkby Tesco shed looming I really am convinced that we will be relegated,and considering how much we made Wigan look a class side last night,it will surely come this season.

Fellaini is the worst player I have ever seen in an Everton shirt,although he has a few contenders to that title with this current shower!

Arteta needs to go,he’s not interested and is not bringing anything positive to the team anymore,

The flash in the pan wonder season Lescott had is now a distant memory and together with Arteta is a liabilty on the left side and needs to be sold in January and a proper left back put in.

Yakubu is a lazy clueless clumsy twat and hopefully true to form will be off in January anyway!

Put the fucking reserves in,because where we are heading it isn’t going to matter,but at least they might have more balls and fight than this shower of arseholes.


Garry Lloyd
13   Posted 25/11/2008 at 10:27:07

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Barely do I feel the rage enough to contribute either via comment or post. However, the performance put on by Everton last night was without a shadow of a doubt the worst performance I have seen from an Everton team in 20 years watching us.

It lacked pace, energy, guile, passion, skill the list could seriously go on. I would like to ask Davie Moyes a few questions after last night - firstly- Mr Moyes, are you actually proud to put your name as manager to that team that turned up last night? What are you doing on the training ground that allows these players such poor perfomances and lastly - can I ask with 4 minutes to go and desperate for an equaliser how you felt a left back that you barely rate is going to change a game.

It smacked of a piss poor team last night for me and i pity the poor souls that braved the weather and shit night to watch it. I am gutted I have a ticket for Spurs as with all the travel involved it will surely be another woefully inept performance from our bunch of overpiad stars!!!
Anthony Millington
14   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:12:05

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Yakubu is an embarssment. It hurts as a loyal fan who is so passionate about Everton Football Club to have to put up with watchin a lazy half hearted waste of space, who stands around like he couldn?t give a shit. Everytime he gets the ball he loses it or falls over to try and get a free kick. I wouldn?t have him in my 5 a side team, he?s a joke what must the other players who give 100% like Jags, Lescott, Neville, Cahill and Osman be thinkin!

Don?t get me wrong Yakubu isn?t the only one, but he?s by far the worst of the lot when it comes to wearing the shirt with pride. Arteta is also a waste of space at the moment, the amount of times players ran past him and he didn?t make the effort to track back is appauling! And Saha casually gave the ball away and done a Yakubu by just standing there and expecting the grafters in the team to bail him out. I?m fed up of watching losers like these in our team, Everton was once about every player giving their all and wearing the shirt with pride but it?s these players who are letting the rest of the team down and the fans. They need dropping, because they think they are untouchable! How much were Tottenham offering for Yakubu again 20 million??!!
Terry Smith
15   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:05:03

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Last night will go down as the worst Everton team & display i have ever seen.No leaders with plenty of passengers trying to walk the ball in the net.The passing last night was a disgrace aiming for absolutely no-one.How can you miss anyone on them fcuking yellow shirts.I cant see us finishing in the top half playing like this.This shit has been served up since the first game of the season and i think we have been lucky winning & drawing the last few games
Sam Myers
16   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:30:33

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I too was there last night and was so disappointed with the level of performance. We started brightly enough but then just seemed to lose our way.

It seems to me that Moyes has put his best 11 available players on the pitch withouot any thought as to what the best team would be so we eneded up with players not playing in their natural positions. Cahill doesn’t suit 4-4-2 at the best of times and he suits it even less when he’s on the right of midfield!!

Our performances have been below par recently anyway but we’ve somehow managed to go on a run of gaining points with last minute goals etc. I think last night was when we finally came unstuck and action will have to be taken.

We should go 4-5-1 against Spurs and give some of the lads a chance who might actually work for the jersey. Arteta, Yakubu et al need dropping to make them realise that they’re not automatice selections. Their replacements might not be as good but they’d sure try a lot harder!

Just as an afterthought: was Castillo that bad??
Dave Richman
17   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:41:06

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Difficult to argue with anything written here.

What summed up the entire debacle for me was the fact that the final whistle blew, I turned off the TV, said goodnight to the missus and went straight to sleep. In seasons gone by I would have stewed and seethed for hours...... but no longer. Well done to Messrs Moyes, Kenwright, Arteta, Osman and Co..... looks like you’ve killed my passion and addiction.

I fear I am not alone, and I really feel for you guys who spent money on that shite.
keith young
18   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:53:17

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The problem stems from kenwright he will finish our club he is a bigger liability than johnson.
Moyes knows he can do what he wants now with kenwright in charge and has given up.
With the lack of leadership the players bar howard and jags have also given up.
I cant believe moyes had all that time and money and messed up our midfield even more i have always been a fan of moyes but now i want him out.
Paul Chisholm
19   Posted 25/11/2008 at 12:21:01

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That’s it for me. I have sworn never to pay to watch Everton again whilst that tosser Moyes remains in charge. Through blind loyalty, I have spent thousands watching rancid performance after rancid performance under Moyes, each time trying to convince myself that the next one can’t be as bad. Having witnessed the away performances at both Blackburn and Bolton, I didn’t think they could get any worse, however tonight proved me very, very wrong. I like to think of myself as a level headed, patient kinda guy, who, not for the moment at least, expects us to be winning the Premiership. However, what I do expect, is that highly paid footballers can do the simple things like controlling and passing a ball to each other, and that highly paid managers can instill this into them. This then begs the question. Are the players themselves so piss poor that they can’t do this, or is it the way they are being coached? To me, the answer is quite simple, it’s the way they are being coached. In order to become a professional footballer, at any level, you must first have to have the basic skills such as ball control, passing, moving etc, that is a given. So if that’s the case, why o why are we not able to do this? Once again the answer is simple... it’s being coached out of them. Moyes has now taken charge in over 250 games, and I bet most would struggle to find 25 (one tenth) of those in which you have been left with a sense of pride in both the result and style of football we played. I’ve been watching Everton for over 35 years, and believe me most of that has been pretty awful. However, I can honestly state, that for most of his tenure, the style of football under Moyes has been the worst I have seen. And for that reason alone, I’ve now had enough.
Graham Eaves
20   Posted 25/11/2008 at 13:37:48

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Agreed Paul C, my feelings exactly. Having left Liverpool over 20yrs ago and now living in London I too am getting fucked off with travelling up to GP to watch shite after shite. The Blackburn game on the first day concluded these feelings for me, I can’t even be arsed going to the away London games now(West Ham being the exception)
I watched shite under Walker and Smith and spent God knows how much time and money but I really can’t be arsed about Everton any more, especially with all the Kirkby shite on top to worry about. Shit football, shit manager and shit players. More important things in life to me now
Roy
21   Posted 25/11/2008 at 14:01:39

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If Cahill scored in the last minute everyone would be rejoicing in a excellent last gasp equaliser praising the lads on how they battled to the bitter end to grind something out of the game.

Accept we are stuck with Moyes for another 5 years unless he decides to retire so get used to this shite in the championship.
Garry Corgan
22   Posted 26/11/2008 at 18:35:57

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Wrong "Roy." If Cahill had scored at the death I, for one, would have just thankful that we’d scored another injury-time, undeserved goal.

I’d still wonder, however, how Wigan weren’t already three or four goals up by that point...
Andy Crooks
23   Posted 26/11/2008 at 18:56:52

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Graham, I agree with everything you say, but don?t give up. Everton is more than Kenwright and Moyes. Look at how much the people on this site care. Moyes and Kenwright are unfit, but only temporary, custodians of this club.
Ray Robinson
24   Posted 26/11/2008 at 19:08:37

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I too was at the JJB on Monday along with three others. One has just gone on a 3 day week, one has been made redundant and the other is a student. I thankfully have a decent job still , although redundancies are in the offing. The point is how much longer will people be able / want to watch the dross that was served up on Monday?

I actually don’t blame the players so much as Moyes - he buys the players, assembles a team, coaches it, employs tactics, makes substitutions etc. If he can’t see what I and the rest of us can see, then why on earth have we tied him down to an inflation proof 5 year contract? I am normally not wholly sympathetic to the anti Moyes brigade but I have to admit that the football this season has been dire. Who else can I blame? The players still seem to be doing their best - although Yakubu always lolloping back at half pace from an offside position - seems to undermine that statement, but the lack of width, pace, ball control, passing ability, penetration etc is down to Moyes and the coaching staff.

Ah well, roll on Sunday eh? And at least there’ll be £1 off the price of a home ticket from now on! Cheaper dross - but dross nonetheless.
Dave Wilson
25   Posted 26/11/2008 at 19:18:39

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Ian

I feel for you mate, it really was a night to wish you hadn't taken the boys, how cold was it?

Your a good Evertonian and I hope better performances are around the corner for you and your boys.

I have my own views about what?ll take for that to happen. Keep the faith.
Alan Codld
26   Posted 26/11/2008 at 19:58:58

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The game was pitifull and embarrassing.
No pace , No shape and No fucking idea.
As for the substitution at the end I can only imaginhat was going through Moyes head.

Lets face facts the standard of football has been woefull since fiorentina away when Davey Moyes shit his pants and it has rarely improved apart from the odd ten minutes here or 30 minutes there. Six years he has been in charge and he can not be happy with this shite or is he?
Some people will still argue that he is the best young manager around and he finished fourth once blah blah blah.
How can this team justify the ernormous contract he has just signed.
What depresses me is that when Barack Obama is finishing his first term in office, we will still have Moyes for at least another year!!!!!!!!!!!
Eddy Bernard
27   Posted 26/11/2008 at 22:28:39

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Dave Richman,
Spot on mate, somehow I just don't feel as bad anymore after a defeat. In the past a defeat would ruin my whole weekend now we are playing that poorly you ca t even say we deserve to win. Everton have been lucky all season and the win at West Ham was proof of that.

Let's face it, half the team are not good enough and need to go. Oh, and before you say it, Kirkby is not the answer

John Westmorland
28   Posted 27/11/2008 at 13:24:39

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Risible
Embarassing
Listless
Excrutiating
Gutless
Abysmal
Inept
Overpaid
Negligent

Well said Martin!

After a 600 mile round to trip to watch that rubbish!!! Game over for me!
Darrel Pugh
29   Posted 27/11/2008 at 13:14:39

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Did anyone else pick up on Moyes?s comments before the match when he described Wigan as tough to beat and only the top actually doing well there? The bloke is beaten before we start, we are all sat there thinking this lot are there for the taking but the most important person, Moyes, thinks we would do amazingly well to get a draw. Why? After the derby we all heard the comments, that?s the difference £100m makes, well where is the difference between £15m midfielders £11m strikers, £5m defenders and Wigan?????
EJ Ruane
30   Posted 27/11/2008 at 12:23:20

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As a young Evertonian (in the 70’s) I suffered a lot of misery watching the Blues.

Bad performances, bad results, bad players (not all obviously but enough) no trophies etc.

However BECAUSE I was young, going home-and-away was done almost as a force-of-habit...type thing.

It was relatively cheap, all your mates were going (peer pressure - you really can’t whack it!) and there was the excitement of all the hoolie stuff etc.

(NB: I was NEVER involved but would be a liar if I said being close to it wasn’t exciting).

Anyway, now I’m fast approaching 50.

So it seems are the largest group of Evertonians (is that right? I read we had more 44-50 year olds or...something)

If it’s true, I think it should be a huge concern for the club.

Because many (for a variety of reasons) it seems are saying ’enough is fucking enough’ (or appear to be on the verge of doing so).

I’m just about clinging to my season ticket, but most of my mates don’t actually go anymore (it’s down to 2 from an original 9)

As I’ve lived in Dublin for 7 years, my season ticket has been a sort of excuse for me to come home every couple of weeks.

But I don’t know how much longer I can justify it (to myself or anyone else).

Maybe it’s simple, maybe you just get to an age where it makes more sense to you, to sit and watch football on the couch with a cup of darjeeling and a hob-nob.

Maybe you watch a performance like Monday’s and a light goes on (off?) in your head.

A voice that started as a whisper in my head at 40 is now screaming "You could have had a cottage in Normandy with what you’ve wasted on those greedy hopeless pricks....NOBHEAD!!!"

People (myself included) have in anger said "FUCK EM! I’M NEVER PAYING GOOD MONEY..." etc, only to return the following week.

Now however, those threats/rants seem to be carrying a bit more weight.

Mind you, if we end up at Kirkby, the decision will be made for me.

I’ll simply...give up.

I’ll then order one of those big American ’Lay-Zee-Boy’ chairs (with the fridge in the arms) and while watching Stoke-V-Boro on Sky on SUPER! Sunday, I’ll chair-massage myself to death.

COY..erm..grotesque-luminous-yellow’s
Lee Smith
31   Posted 27/11/2008 at 15:34:13

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EJ Ruane, the funniest guy on Toffeeweb? Quite possibly!
Andy Crooks
32   Posted 27/11/2008 at 16:29:30

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EJ, the day that you give up on Everton will be the day when the lights are switched off for the last time.

Looking at all the posts and threads, it seems to me that no one is able to offer a defence of David Moyes. The tide is turning against him. If he had any honour he would resign. Celtic would be perfect for him.

Michael Evans
33   Posted 27/11/2008 at 17:40:39

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Well if there was a "funniest guy on Toffeeweb" poll I?d also vote for EJ. Shit, do we really have more 44-50 somethings in our fanbase? As a 45-year-old reluctant member of that particular club, I find that really worrying for the future of the club. Supporting EFC if you?re a young whipper snapper just ain?t cool any more is it? Forget Kirkby, we may as well relocate to Spain. That way we can all save money on our fuel bills. Tesco exclusivity deal ? Nah, I?d go with SAGA. Everton mints? Nah, wether originals. Another 5 years for Davey boy ? Nope, I?d give him another 50 years. After all we "oldies" get confused by change.
Derek Thomas
34   Posted 29/11/2008 at 03:13:55

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EJ? Long term maybe. This week it?s got to be Martin Kulkarni and his straight man Dave Westmoreland, who, whilst naming the team and I assume Howard in goal, only named 9, that fat lazy bastard Clueless didn?t get a mention.

Plus everybody knows Inept can?t play in a 4 man mid field, Excrutiating is playing crap at LB and Abysmal should take no more free kicks or corners until he learns to clear the 1st man. Don?t even start me on Listless being one for the future and well worth £15mill.

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