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Everton tonight
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Am divorced not living with my boys but took the chance to take them to see the lads at an away game. We are season ticket holders and I thought it would be a treat. We agreed that the line up is our best possible 11 and having braved the weather and enjoyed a beer followed by cold chips we took our place in the North stand which could have doubled as the North Pole. Cold.
The football was garbage, both teams rubbish and we have a few contenders for "get me out of here". I posted on here after the England game last week and how those I noted would have been a welcome addition. Both full backs were poor, "the best little ..." well god help Spain, "Feed the..." well he looks like and acts like he has been well fed. Victor is not a right winger, Leon needs to get off the floor, and Wigan were not that good.... Where does Tiny fit in?
As for tactics, they were well moved during the game, but surely, Wigan? Not Chelsea/Arsenal, no apparent plan no width, and free kicks and corners WTF? Think a bit if time in a cold dark room is needed as on tonight's showing we have a few issues.
Last year, the team confounded my usual view that they lose because they are lazy bastards, but tonight they did not look like a team or individuals who gave a fuck. There are exceptions, of course, and others will view it a different way.
Tiny Tim looked gutted at the end, Tim in goal was really good, but we are along way from going forward and having bought tickets at £60 plus for the boys and me, having travelled, had the obligatory beer and chips, adding in the programme, it was a big effort for me (and a packed stand of loyal committed Evertonians) and i wonder about the same effort on the pitch...
Ian Smitham, Posted 25/11/2008 at 01:18:30
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I feel one of the worst things about the way we are playing is that we will not attract supporters at all. I know people say ?who gives a fuck??, but I don?t agree. With the Premier League being a worldwide franchise, it?s imperative that you attract audiences from around the world. We are a very unattractive proposition for neutral supporters. Almost every game the commentators are saying how bad the games are.
I just really believe that Moyes has no tactical nouse whatsoever. There doesn?t seem any structure, and he just simply plays who he believes are the best 11 players rather than positions that they are suited to.
With no money coming in January, I think we?re going to have to accept that Kirkby is the only option for progress. We need to attract a large investor (and quickly), and this will only happen with Kirkby going ahead. I?m not a fan of Kirkby myself, but I can?t see another short-term option.
The problem is in the here and now, well the 90 mins next Sunday bit of it anyway.
moyes has lost it for me ,we have no heart or balance whatsoever mark my words this is the season we will go down and kenwright is so spaced out he wont even realise
I have my (and sons) season ticket this year (38 years consecutively) and we both agree this will be the last. Overpriced, zero entertainment , players who don’t try etc etc.
We are all being taken for mugs and the only way all of football will change is when people vote with their pockets. EFC are mo worse than any other prem clubs except our is probably the least entertaining brand of football being played. At least Stoke have a game plan.
Whilst we have a small squad, we should look at giving one or two others chance.
Last night was extremely pathetic. We were mediocre and very very average. The lads msut up their game this weekend and prove to the fans and to themselves that they are deserving of pulling on the Everton jersey. COYB!!!
I cannot believe what I saw, an utter shambles. The sad thing is that I will be going to the Spurs game on Sunday too, and I fear we are in for a pasting. Part of me, a very small part, wants us to suffer and flirt with relegation just so something gets doen about this. Moyes is losing support at a rapid rate, and why not? No flair, no cohesiveness, no chance.
"It wasn?t as good as we have been in recent weeks"
Who is he trying to kid. Last nigts performance was just as good (or should I say dreadful) as we have been in recent weeks.
We possibly played better last night than we did against Bolton, Fulham or West Ham but our luck must be running out..
We are completely devoid of ideas as was demonstrated time and again last night. We need to bypass the midfield with punt after effing punt because we haven’t got the guile or technical ability to create anything.
And what does Moyes do? Absolutely nothing!! He was forced into one change because Saha did his hamstring and he tried to change the game by swopping fullbacks with about 11 seconds left!!
How badly do Arteta, Lescott et al have to play before they are substituted??
Watching last night I reckon they must have a bet on to see who will be taken off first..
Risible
Embarassing
Listless
Excrutiating
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Inept
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Negligent
Howard apart,the rest playing in yellow (how apt) were a total and utter disgrace to the shirt and the fans.
With Moyes here for another 5 years, a largely gutless and clueless squad,no money and a more than half empty Desolation Kirkby Tesco shed looming I really am convinced that we will be relegated,and considering how much we made Wigan look a class side last night,it will surely come this season.
Fellaini is the worst player I have ever seen in an Everton shirt,although he has a few contenders to that title with this current shower!
Arteta needs to go,he’s not interested and is not bringing anything positive to the team anymore,
The flash in the pan wonder season Lescott had is now a distant memory and together with Arteta is a liabilty on the left side and needs to be sold in January and a proper left back put in.
Yakubu is a lazy clueless clumsy twat and hopefully true to form will be off in January anyway!
Put the fucking reserves in,because where we are heading it isn’t going to matter,but at least they might have more balls and fight than this shower of arseholes.
It lacked pace, energy, guile, passion, skill the list could seriously go on. I would like to ask Davie Moyes a few questions after last night - firstly- Mr Moyes, are you actually proud to put your name as manager to that team that turned up last night? What are you doing on the training ground that allows these players such poor perfomances and lastly - can I ask with 4 minutes to go and desperate for an equaliser how you felt a left back that you barely rate is going to change a game.
It smacked of a piss poor team last night for me and i pity the poor souls that braved the weather and shit night to watch it. I am gutted I have a ticket for Spurs as with all the travel involved it will surely be another woefully inept performance from our bunch of overpiad stars!!!
Don?t get me wrong Yakubu isn?t the only one, but he?s by far the worst of the lot when it comes to wearing the shirt with pride. Arteta is also a waste of space at the moment, the amount of times players ran past him and he didn?t make the effort to track back is appauling! And Saha casually gave the ball away and done a Yakubu by just standing there and expecting the grafters in the team to bail him out. I?m fed up of watching losers like these in our team, Everton was once about every player giving their all and wearing the shirt with pride but it?s these players who are letting the rest of the team down and the fans. They need dropping, because they think they are untouchable! How much were Tottenham offering for Yakubu again 20 million??!!
It seems to me that Moyes has put his best 11 available players on the pitch withouot any thought as to what the best team would be so we eneded up with players not playing in their natural positions. Cahill doesn’t suit 4-4-2 at the best of times and he suits it even less when he’s on the right of midfield!!
Our performances have been below par recently anyway but we’ve somehow managed to go on a run of gaining points with last minute goals etc. I think last night was when we finally came unstuck and action will have to be taken.
We should go 4-5-1 against Spurs and give some of the lads a chance who might actually work for the jersey. Arteta, Yakubu et al need dropping to make them realise that they’re not automatice selections. Their replacements might not be as good but they’d sure try a lot harder!
Just as an afterthought: was Castillo that bad??
What summed up the entire debacle for me was the fact that the final whistle blew, I turned off the TV, said goodnight to the missus and went straight to sleep. In seasons gone by I would have stewed and seethed for hours...... but no longer. Well done to Messrs Moyes, Kenwright, Arteta, Osman and Co..... looks like you’ve killed my passion and addiction.
I fear I am not alone, and I really feel for you guys who spent money on that shite.
Moyes knows he can do what he wants now with kenwright in charge and has given up.
With the lack of leadership the players bar howard and jags have also given up.
I cant believe moyes had all that time and money and messed up our midfield even more i have always been a fan of moyes but now i want him out.
I watched shite under Walker and Smith and spent God knows how much time and money but I really can’t be arsed about Everton any more, especially with all the Kirkby shite on top to worry about. Shit football, shit manager and shit players. More important things in life to me now
Accept we are stuck with Moyes for another 5 years unless he decides to retire so get used to this shite in the championship.
I’d still wonder, however, how Wigan weren’t already three or four goals up by that point...
I actually don’t blame the players so much as Moyes - he buys the players, assembles a team, coaches it, employs tactics, makes substitutions etc. If he can’t see what I and the rest of us can see, then why on earth have we tied him down to an inflation proof 5 year contract? I am normally not wholly sympathetic to the anti Moyes brigade but I have to admit that the football this season has been dire. Who else can I blame? The players still seem to be doing their best - although Yakubu always lolloping back at half pace from an offside position - seems to undermine that statement, but the lack of width, pace, ball control, passing ability, penetration etc is down to Moyes and the coaching staff.
Ah well, roll on Sunday eh? And at least there’ll be £1 off the price of a home ticket from now on! Cheaper dross - but dross nonetheless.
I feel for you mate, it really was a night to wish you hadn't taken the boys, how cold was it?
Your a good Evertonian and I hope better performances are around the corner for you and your boys.
I have my own views about what?ll take for that to happen. Keep the faith.
No pace , No shape and No fucking idea.
As for the substitution at the end I can only imaginhat was going through Moyes head.
Lets face facts the standard of football has been woefull since fiorentina away when Davey Moyes shit his pants and it has rarely improved apart from the odd ten minutes here or 30 minutes there. Six years he has been in charge and he can not be happy with this shite or is he?
Some people will still argue that he is the best young manager around and he finished fourth once blah blah blah.
How can this team justify the ernormous contract he has just signed.
What depresses me is that when Barack Obama is finishing his first term in office, we will still have Moyes for at least another year!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on mate, somehow I just don't feel as bad anymore after a defeat. In the past a defeat would ruin my whole weekend now we are playing that poorly you ca t even say we deserve to win. Everton have been lucky all season and the win at West Ham was proof of that.
Let's face it, half the team are not good enough and need to go. Oh, and before you say it, Kirkby is not the answer
Embarassing
Listless
Excrutiating
Gutless
Abysmal
Inept
Overpaid
Negligent
Well said Martin!
After a 600 mile round to trip to watch that rubbish!!! Game over for me!
Bad performances, bad results, bad players (not all obviously but enough) no trophies etc.
However BECAUSE I was young, going home-and-away was done almost as a force-of-habit...type thing.
It was relatively cheap, all your mates were going (peer pressure - you really can’t whack it!) and there was the excitement of all the hoolie stuff etc.
(NB: I was NEVER involved but would be a liar if I said being close to it wasn’t exciting).
Anyway, now I’m fast approaching 50.
So it seems are the largest group of Evertonians (is that right? I read we had more 44-50 year olds or...something)
If it’s true, I think it should be a huge concern for the club.
Because many (for a variety of reasons) it seems are saying ’enough is fucking enough’ (or appear to be on the verge of doing so).
I’m just about clinging to my season ticket, but most of my mates don’t actually go anymore (it’s down to 2 from an original 9)
As I’ve lived in Dublin for 7 years, my season ticket has been a sort of excuse for me to come home every couple of weeks.
But I don’t know how much longer I can justify it (to myself or anyone else).
Maybe it’s simple, maybe you just get to an age where it makes more sense to you, to sit and watch football on the couch with a cup of darjeeling and a hob-nob.
Maybe you watch a performance like Monday’s and a light goes on (off?) in your head.
A voice that started as a whisper in my head at 40 is now screaming "You could have had a cottage in Normandy with what you’ve wasted on those greedy hopeless pricks....NOBHEAD!!!"
People (myself included) have in anger said "FUCK EM! I’M NEVER PAYING GOOD MONEY..." etc, only to return the following week.
Now however, those threats/rants seem to be carrying a bit more weight.
Mind you, if we end up at Kirkby, the decision will be made for me.
I’ll simply...give up.
I’ll then order one of those big American ’Lay-Zee-Boy’ chairs (with the fridge in the arms) and while watching Stoke-V-Boro on Sky on SUPER! Sunday, I’ll chair-massage myself to death.
COY..erm..grotesque-luminous-yellow’s
Looking at all the posts and threads, it seems to me that no one is able to offer a defence of David Moyes. The tide is turning against him. If he had any honour he would resign. Celtic would be perfect for him.
Plus everybody knows Inept can?t play in a 4 man mid field, Excrutiating is playing crap at LB and Abysmal should take no more free kicks or corners until he learns to clear the 1st man. Don?t even start me on Listless being one for the future and well worth £15mill.


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