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Is It Just Me
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Is it just me or did anyone else feel insulted when the club placed huge bowl-like stadiums on the Goodison footprint, as if to prove Goodison could not be redeveloped?
I know it's been a while but that EGM left me feeling angry. What made it worse was that people who I'd always respected, like Howard Kendall and Dave Prentice, came away from that EGM with a different view. I just felt it was a huge insult to my intelligence.
They attended the EGM where I merely read the transcript. Does anyone else feel the club continually insult our collective intelligence. Why do apparently intelligent men like Kendall and Prentice toe the club's line. Or is it just me that feels this way?
Dave Johnson, Posted 10/12/2008 at 00:48:32
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I?m pretty sure the knee specialist treating Vaughan is RICHARD Steadman, not Michael.
As for the whole Kirkby deal, I don?t know why Kenwright & Co. are persisting with it. It?s obviously unpopular with the supporters and town of Kirkby, it?s nowhere near as cheap as they promised, and might not even get approved.
Personally I?m confident the whole thing will fall through, and Goodison will be redeveloped. Just call it a hunch.
I?m pretty sure the knee specialist treating Vaughan is RICHARD Steadman, not Michael.
As for the whole Kirkby deal, I don?t know why Kenwright & Co. are persisting with it. It?s obviously unpopular with the supporters and town of Kirkby, it?s nowhere near as cheap as they promised, and might not even get approved.
Personally I?m confident the whole thing will fall through, and Goodison will be redeveloped. Just call it a hunch.
Dave,
What you have to remember is that many ? not all ? of the people who have been the prime movers of DK are not Evertonians as you and I know. Many of these people are outsiders who have walked in, spend a few years here ? it could easily be Wigan, Doncaster, Hull they work for ? and then disappear to another position somewhere else. Unfortunately for us, there is not a bloody thing we can do.
What you have to remember is that many ? not all ? of the people who have been the prime movers of DK are not Evertonians as you and I know. Many of these people are outsiders who have walked in, spend a few years here ? it could easily be Wigan, Doncaster, Hull they work for ? and then disappear to another position somewhere else. Unfortunately for us, there is not a bloody thing we can do.
We are Evertonians and will be till the day we die regardless to where we live or what we do. It?s just in us. We care about the club whereas many of the DK instigators are in for the sprint not the marathon. Hopefully after the inquiry, when all is laid bare, many of those who have and presently support DK will have a rethink. I bet you anything you want there will be more pro-DK supporters changing their minds than anti-DK enthusiasts.
Don?t give up!
I tell you what is insulting, these idiots who think just because you support DK that you are not a proper supporter or you are thick and don?t understand the issue. Why stand in the way of progress? We live in a world were retail and business rule supreme. Let's get on board, FFS. A new stadium at the fraction of the price supported by a massive company. People don?t like change, I accept that as human nature, it is needed before we sink to the depths like Notts Forrest or Leeds.
The startling thing for me is the revelation at the Inquiry that the Kirkby move will only net Everton an additional £6M a year. It is easy to blow that amount on just one over-priced signing who fails to make the grade. Surely, such a trivial amount makes the move a pure gamble on what is beginning to look like a duff bet.
AHA... but then for that £6 million you have to achieve a 40 odd thousand average...
We?ll be lucky to break even.
We?ll be lucky to break even.
Oh aye, and fill all the excutive boxes week in week out...which we cannot managed to do with our award winning services at the moment..
Pie in the bloody sky.
Pie in the bloody sky.
Andy, no-one is trying to insult DK supporters or imply they are thick or don?t understand the issues or are not Evertonians. It would be great to be backed by a huge multinational and get a brilliant new ground and be able to invest millions in the team. That is and must be the aim of the club. But truthfully can you honestly say from what we are now finding out at the inquiry ? what we knew before if the truth be known ? that this is what we are getting???
I am a supporter like yourself, I just knew inside that jumping into bed with Knowsley and Tesco was going to give me a social disease. It was and is too big an issue to us all to give a mandate to the board when all they gave us prior to the vote was blatant lies. We saw the lies then and we see them still...
Andy, the only gripe most of us anti-Kirkby fans have is that, time after time, Messrs Hughes and Skempton come on here and blow the lies you have been sold to shreds... and yet the pro-Kirkby brigade stil carry on trusting men who have a history of lying and selling us down the river.
How can anyone trust these men with the most important decision in our history? After the "ring-fenced" debacle, they should of been held out to dry, but 100 lies later they are still at it and still fooling people. Why do these compulsive liars deserve such trust?
What I can’t understand is Elstone harping on about Everton’s overall contribution to the Premier League gravy train and how little it is. Then the actual figures show we’ll only net between £6 and £10 million per year. It’s still pittance Elstone and not worth moving for.
Also, is Steadman the only bloody orthopaedic surgeon on this planet?
Also, is Steadman the only bloody orthopaedic surgeon on this planet?
I appreciate your point Nick and you seem to have a principled arguement against it which I can respect. However, I’m sorry to say too many Evertonians reject the whole DK project and dismiss it out of hand because in some way they think it is anti-Everton to support the move. I just want Everton to be competing for trophies again and why DK or the clubs handling might not be perfect, it is better than sitting here and arguing between ourselves for another 5 years until we finally realise that LCC are a fucking joke. Believe it or not, a vocal section of Arsenal fans opposed leaving Highbury and threatened to not renew their season tickets! That didn’t work out too bad.
Paul Gladwell, your wrong. The main gripe, is that the continued support for this madness is a direct threat to our club's very existence.
Dave, you are totally right in my eyes, but some don't agree on that and that is up to them; however, one thing that cannot be denied by anyone is the endless lies that we have been sold for years, yet the pro-Kirkby brigade constantly continue to ignore these to the point that the words ring-fenced, £50M striker, virtually free etc where never actually said.
For these three lies alone, he should not be trusted.
Andy Flanagan, Arsenal moved OVER THE ROAD into a quality stadium are in the Champions League every season and have class players who challenge for trophies every year. I think there?s a bit of a difference between us and them.
People talk about all of the lies, what about all of the catastrophsing shite that is thrown about to scare us all e.g. "continued support for this madness is a direct threat to our club's very existence". Blowing things slightly out of proportion???
Some people might have that opinion, doesn?t mean it will happen. So rather than IS a direct threat, ?I think it is a direct threat...etc.
People talk about the lies, what about all of the propaganda spouted about by the anti-kirkby lot?
There are decent arguments on both sides, but whatever happens (Kirkby or no Kirkby) I can?t see Everton suddenly ceasing to exist. Let?s get real!
Some people might have that opinion, doesn?t mean it will happen. So rather than IS a direct threat, ?I think it is a direct threat...etc.
People talk about the lies, what about all of the propaganda spouted about by the anti-kirkby lot?
There are decent arguments on both sides, but whatever happens (Kirkby or no Kirkby) I can?t see Everton suddenly ceasing to exist. Let?s get real!
I just feel the club has tried to manipulate us every step of the way, in a not so subtle way. Putting the Emirates over the Goodison footprint to prove a point shows a lack of respect. So who is really saying your thick Andy Flanagan?.
Does anyone else think Keith Harris is just more of the same. Got Bill out of a sticky situation though. I think too many of us were taken in by it so that's why Harris had to come out and rubbish us before it got out of hand.
I?m not sure if any of this bothers Kenwright as long as we just keep fighting amongst ourselves long enough to get Kirkby through. The only way we can stop it now is to do a Newcastle and with Kenwright I?m not sure it would work. Not before he?s had his pay day.
KEIOC have done a fine job and hopefully the Inquiry will go the right way but I can't help thinking a good old fashioned Kenwright Out campaign would have been quicker.
Whether we like it or not, there appear to be no viable alternatives - personally I would love us to stay at Goodison but unless a large pot of gold falls out of the sky, that aint gonna happen.
Resigned to fact that we’re going to Kirkby? Pretty much yeah.
As fans we have little say in anything, and we have to accept that unfortunately - out of town stadia are shit, I’ve been to the Reebok and the Madjeski and neither of them was a pleasant experience, not least getting out of the ground, and the appalling lack of atmosphere.
Having said that, looking at people like Chelsea (I get free tickets to most home games so I go cos its top-flight footy for free and I live in London), and they have absolutely fuck-all atmosphere either so who knows whats for the best.
If we have a sudden, huge injection of cash, will any new owner be against Kirkby? I doubt it because Goodison, while its have all the history & atmosphere, it aint gonna pay the bills long term.
With all that in mind, part of me still hopes upon hope that (if) when we do move to Kirkby, the hardcore (us) fans stick with the club and make the new ground just as atmospheric - its down to us to make that decision, and that may be the ONLY decision we have any control over.
Resigned to fact that we’re going to Kirkby? Pretty much yeah.
As fans we have little say in anything, and we have to accept that unfortunately - out of town stadia are shit, I’ve been to the Reebok and the Madjeski and neither of them was a pleasant experience, not least getting out of the ground, and the appalling lack of atmosphere.
Having said that, looking at people like Chelsea (I get free tickets to most home games so I go cos its top-flight footy for free and I live in London), and they have absolutely fuck-all atmosphere either so who knows whats for the best.
If we have a sudden, huge injection of cash, will any new owner be against Kirkby? I doubt it because Goodison, while its have all the history & atmosphere, it aint gonna pay the bills long term.
With all that in mind, part of me still hopes upon hope that (if) when we do move to Kirkby, the hardcore (us) fans stick with the club and make the new ground just as atmospheric - its down to us to make that decision, and that may be the ONLY decision we have any control over.
Andy Flanagan, I have little doubt that Arsenal did lose some season ticket holders when they moved. However they were not concerned as they had a 24,000 waiting list. Now let me see our waiting list is zero, we are moving to the back of beyond and there are thousands who are against DK.
Worried ? we all should be!
Worried ? we all should be!
James Marshall,
People keep saying that there are no viable alternatives, but I have never seen any facts to suggest why Kirkby is viable in the first place. An assumption has been made that, because it is the cheapest option (for a new ground), it is the most viable. Based on what?
To my knowledge, EFC have not published any figures concerning expected average gate, expected executive box occupancy etc. It?s all been bland statements like expected profit, sometimes mysteriously increasing even more than was originally stated ? despite the fact that costs have substantially changed from the original £25m.
It is a desperate act by an incompetent chairman and a board that can see a quick profit (selling their shares before the stadium goes live). Once it is built it will be seen to be the white elephant that it is ? RIP EFC.
People keep saying that there are no viable alternatives, but I have never seen any facts to suggest why Kirkby is viable in the first place. An assumption has been made that, because it is the cheapest option (for a new ground), it is the most viable. Based on what?
To my knowledge, EFC have not published any figures concerning expected average gate, expected executive box occupancy etc. It?s all been bland statements like expected profit, sometimes mysteriously increasing even more than was originally stated ? despite the fact that costs have substantially changed from the original £25m.
It is a desperate act by an incompetent chairman and a board that can see a quick profit (selling their shares before the stadium goes live). Once it is built it will be seen to be the white elephant that it is ? RIP EFC.
I would like to say if you're not behind DK then can you please join Rooney because we all hated him for saying "Once a blue, always a blue". Well, with all these people saying they don't want us to move and protesting against it, can you join him because I am fed up with it. What ever happens, you should always be behind the blues cause ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE. I'm not a great fan of the move but what ever happens I will be there because I'm a Everton fan. I was born a blue so I think you need to think: Are you an Evertonian?
I admit the club don't always help us as fans but if they said Goodison will not get redeveloped and if we don't move, and will be back in the Championship in a few years, is that what you all want? as a Evertonian, I know I don't but maybe some of you lot on here do want that.
So can you all try and get along with this because it's ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ? don't question where we are or going to give up because the club is trying its best to move on and break the top 4 and it is what we all want.
I admit the club don't always help us as fans but if they said Goodison will not get redeveloped and if we don't move, and will be back in the Championship in a few years, is that what you all want? as a Evertonian, I know I don't but maybe some of you lot on here do want that.
So can you all try and get along with this because it's ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ? don't question where we are or going to give up because the club is trying its best to move on and break the top 4 and it is what we all want.
For there to be any chance that Everton will replace the supporters who will not go to Kirkby (I believe there may be many); we will have to go there with a champions league standard team.That isn?t going to happen.
We can?t fill GP now, where are the supporters going to come from? Andy Flanagan, I would not wish to stand in the way of progress but I believe sincerely that moving to Kirkby will be the end of our Everton.
We can?t fill GP now, where are the supporters going to come from? Andy Flanagan, I would not wish to stand in the way of progress but I believe sincerely that moving to Kirkby will be the end of our Everton.
Brian, to be fair mate, the last time I looked we didn't have a pot to piss in!
The Tescodome IS the ONLY viable option mate, sad but true.
The Tescodome IS the ONLY viable option mate, sad but true.
Rob Jones,
I think you?ll find we are behind Everton... You seem to think the monkey crew on our board are ?Everton?... That for me, is the saddest thing about this whole sorry affair.
People don?t even know what Everton Football Club is anymore.
I think you?ll find we are behind Everton... You seem to think the monkey crew on our board are ?Everton?... That for me, is the saddest thing about this whole sorry affair.
People don?t even know what Everton Football Club is anymore.
Ciaran, its a football club - the clue is in the title.
Here?s what gets my goat: You can't redevelop Goodison, we?re skint, no backers etc and the club seem happy to state this. You can't move to the loop as we don't have any backers, we?re skint and the club seem happy to state this.
BUT we can move to Kirkby for £78m BUT as stated by Elstone this is reliant on selling Bellfield, selling Goodison, getting £50m for naming rights, again when prompted Elstone stated that ?None? of the funding was guaranteed. THAT'S 0 money for Kirkby.
So why do the club keep pursuing this? Why can't we use naming rights money and money from Bellefield to start a redevelopment programme at Goodison.
I tell you what: IF I win the lottery, and IF my mate wins the lottery and my dad, we?ll all fund a new ground... Pigs might fly, and that's about as much chance as Kirkby has got.
James Marshall
Therein lies the problem: to people like you, it?s only a football club and if it dies in Kirkby... Hey there?s always the freebies at The Bridge.
Therein lies the problem: to people like you, it?s only a football club and if it dies in Kirkby... Hey there?s always the freebies at The Bridge.
I find the lack of criticism to all things Kenwright / Kirkby by all ex players and managers as shocking. Even players I thought were intelligent and independent like Barry Horne seem to have been swept along by the present regime?s propoganda despite surely knowing that the Kirkby move is extremely unpopular with most true fans.
Dave, did you actually bother to read my previous posts??
I agree with you FFS.
What makes you think its ok to point the finger at ’people like me’??
If you were given access to tickets to free football matches for a club a stones throw from your place of work, would you not take them??
You love a good (unwarranted) dig at people Dave and it really winds me up.
Can you clarify your comment about ’people like me’ please?
I agree with you FFS.
What makes you think its ok to point the finger at ’people like me’??
If you were given access to tickets to free football matches for a club a stones throw from your place of work, would you not take them??
You love a good (unwarranted) dig at people Dave and it really winds me up.
Can you clarify your comment about ’people like me’ please?
Paul Burns,
Your post suggests that the move therefore is popular with some true fans and fully popular with people who aren?t true fans.
Your post suggests that the move therefore is popular with some true fans and fully popular with people who aren?t true fans.
"Ciaran, its a football club - the clue is in the title."
James,
That terse response more than adequately proves my point.
James,
That terse response more than adequately proves my point.
As someone who voted NO to Kirkby and still firmly believes that to be the correct decision IMO. I feel let down by the club and their shadow like campaign regarding publishing actual facts in what Kirkby will bring to the club.
For me the building of a stadium does generate its own atmosphere somewhat. Why else is City of Manc Stadium less noisey than Maine Road was? Burndell Park to Reebok Stadium another example.
Considering it?s the same fans that go -just more of them.
For me it appears the board haven?t even AND dont even want to consider another option. They disregard out of hand any other alternative as not viable. But they don't apply their same rules/criteria to the Kirkby proposal.
I can categorically say that if Everton leave for Kirkby, within 6 months there will be some kind of AFC Everton type club founded. Which will have huge support from long term fans who have lost touch with Everton FC as it exisits now.
For me the building of a stadium does generate its own atmosphere somewhat. Why else is City of Manc Stadium less noisey than Maine Road was? Burndell Park to Reebok Stadium another example.
Considering it?s the same fans that go -just more of them.
For me it appears the board haven?t even AND dont even want to consider another option. They disregard out of hand any other alternative as not viable. But they don't apply their same rules/criteria to the Kirkby proposal.
I can categorically say that if Everton leave for Kirkby, within 6 months there will be some kind of AFC Everton type club founded. Which will have huge support from long term fans who have lost touch with Everton FC as it exisits now.
Unlike United Manchester FC and AFC Liverpool we don't have the fanbase to survive a split. Those two clubs have football tourists who can sustain demand for tickets. We cannot!
Rob Jones. We have never been in the Championship ? so how can we return.
There is no logical reason to say that if we remain in GP we will be relegated. It's scaremongaring to say that.
To say fans who will not go to DK, if it's approved, makes them ?Rooney? types, is a disgrace. He went for the money and the medals. I will support the Blues no matter what division they are in but not in a soulless Stadium in some little Town.
There is no logical reason to say that if we remain in GP we will be relegated. It's scaremongaring to say that.
To say fans who will not go to DK, if it's approved, makes them ?Rooney? types, is a disgrace. He went for the money and the medals. I will support the Blues no matter what division they are in but not in a soulless Stadium in some little Town.
Ciaran, it was a joke, a light hearted comment - ffs some of you lot have a real lack of humour!
Sorry if its all too serious for you to joke about ? personally I don't think its the end of the world, just the end of an era.
Sorry if its all too serious for you to joke about ? personally I don't think its the end of the world, just the end of an era.
Andy Flanagan, you say...
"I tell you what is insulting, these idiots who think just because you support DK that you are not a proper supporter or you are thick and don?t understand the issue"
So let me get this straight.
You?re upset and have called people idiots, because they think that an idiot is a fair description of someone who believes in and supports DK, despite AAAAAAALLLL the evidence that says it?s doomed (ie: the PROVEN lies of Kenwright, the FACT that it could take an old feller an hour and a half to get a train after the game, the free ground costing £78 mill, 1000 parking spaces, no-guarantee of new fans, a guarantee many old supporters WILL pack in, etc, etc, et-bleedin-cetera)
What are we supposed to think, you?re like Brains off Thunderbirds?
"I tell you what is insulting, these idiots who think just because you support DK that you are not a proper supporter or you are thick and don?t understand the issue"
So let me get this straight.
You?re upset and have called people idiots, because they think that an idiot is a fair description of someone who believes in and supports DK, despite AAAAAAALLLL the evidence that says it?s doomed (ie: the PROVEN lies of Kenwright, the FACT that it could take an old feller an hour and a half to get a train after the game, the free ground costing £78 mill, 1000 parking spaces, no-guarantee of new fans, a guarantee many old supporters WILL pack in, etc, etc, et-bleedin-cetera)
What are we supposed to think, you?re like Brains off Thunderbirds?
What scares me is that Elstone stated at the public enquiry that the stadum is still world class. Even Tesco have stated that the stadium will be an average Premier League ground.
RE : James Vaughan
Steadman is not the only surgeon but the only one that Vaughan trusts. When he did his other knee he had two operations before going to Steadman who fixed it properly, hence he is the guy that James believes can sort out the problem. It is not ideal but if he has to have an operation then it is worth doing it right.
Steadman is not the only surgeon but the only one that Vaughan trusts. When he did his other knee he had two operations before going to Steadman who fixed it properly, hence he is the guy that James believes can sort out the problem. It is not ideal but if he has to have an operation then it is worth doing it right.
Now I really don’t know the ins and outs of the clubs finances, politics etc and frankly concentrate my attentions on what goes on the pitch. However, travelling in from Warrington to the home match, just after the point where you leave the M57 to join the East Lancs, there is a huge piece of land on the right where Gilmoss bus station used to be - it’s the Stoneycroft Business Park - or something like that.
Why on earth could the council not have earmarked that land for our stadium re-development instead of yet another bloody business park? I know, we probably couldn’t have afforded the purchase of the land, building costs etc but I’ll bet that if ever LFC goes tits up in the future thanks to our American friends, they’d be the first in the queue to bale out the precious heritage that bears the city’s name.
The point I’m making? There must be some alternative to Kirkby with some creative thinking and goodwill from the council. Some things are just too precious to lose.
Mind you, we are talking about an institution that allowed the original Cavern Club to be knocked down.
Why on earth could the council not have earmarked that land for our stadium re-development instead of yet another bloody business park? I know, we probably couldn’t have afforded the purchase of the land, building costs etc but I’ll bet that if ever LFC goes tits up in the future thanks to our American friends, they’d be the first in the queue to bale out the precious heritage that bears the city’s name.
The point I’m making? There must be some alternative to Kirkby with some creative thinking and goodwill from the council. Some things are just too precious to lose.
Mind you, we are talking about an institution that allowed the original Cavern Club to be knocked down.
James Marshall
Not many Evertonians can be found at The Bridge most weeks; that doesn't make you a bad person, but you're hardly "hardcore" either ? does that clarify?
And to answer your question, would I take up the opportunity of a free ticket to watch another team? ... No.
Not many Evertonians can be found at The Bridge most weeks; that doesn't make you a bad person, but you're hardly "hardcore" either ? does that clarify?
And to answer your question, would I take up the opportunity of a free ticket to watch another team? ... No.
Ray
of course there are alternatives.
The board don't want to consider them because they?re already on the gravy train to Kirkby and their pals on the council there will get 100 days of freebies at the new "Dubai stadium" of Everton Rovers of Knowsley Borough Council ? otherwise known as the theatre of nightmares.
of course there are alternatives.
The board don't want to consider them because they?re already on the gravy train to Kirkby and their pals on the council there will get 100 days of freebies at the new "Dubai stadium" of Everton Rovers of Knowsley Borough Council ? otherwise known as the theatre of nightmares.
Jay, gravy train to Kirkby? What gravy train as the club gradually expires?
I’m not like most anti-Kirkby people. I genuinely believe that the Board believe that they are proposing the move for the "right" reasons. I believe that they are misguided rather than corrupt.
There again my middle name is naive.
I’m not like most anti-Kirkby people. I genuinely believe that the Board believe that they are proposing the move for the "right" reasons. I believe that they are misguided rather than corrupt.
There again my middle name is naive.
Rob Jones
For DK to be worthwhile we need to find 10,000 extra supporters. It seems strange that you should be suggesting that the 10,000 against the move should all just get out and leave you in a half empty stadium. Most of us will continue to go at first but were are we to recruit the new fans and what do we do when the crowds dwindle because the already half empty stadium has no atmosphere, and how do we fill the shiny new boxes if the corporate bodies refuse to travel the unprecidented 8.2 miles to our out of town potential white elephant. The club have never told us were these extra fans will come from because i don’t think they have done any work on this. The whole thing is a dangerous experiment.
For DK to be worthwhile we need to find 10,000 extra supporters. It seems strange that you should be suggesting that the 10,000 against the move should all just get out and leave you in a half empty stadium. Most of us will continue to go at first but were are we to recruit the new fans and what do we do when the crowds dwindle because the already half empty stadium has no atmosphere, and how do we fill the shiny new boxes if the corporate bodies refuse to travel the unprecidented 8.2 miles to our out of town potential white elephant. The club have never told us were these extra fans will come from because i don’t think they have done any work on this. The whole thing is a dangerous experiment.
I thought Wyness said we couldn’t afford for DK to go to an enquiry. It would mean costs would spiral and we couldn’t afford it.
How come the club are persisting with it then? Or was it just another lie to put pressure on the government not to call it in?
My prediction is, the public enquiry will allow DK to go ahead but similarly with King’s Dock, everything will be in place except Everton’s part of the finance. The whole thing will fall on its arse because Everton are skint.
How come the club are persisting with it then? Or was it just another lie to put pressure on the government not to call it in?
My prediction is, the public enquiry will allow DK to go ahead but similarly with King’s Dock, everything will be in place except Everton’s part of the finance. The whole thing will fall on its arse because Everton are skint.
More worrying in many respects than the Stadium debate itself are some of the assertions that appear in the Mailbag. I don?t want to make this personal but there is a post above from Paul Burns which seems to suggest as far as he is concerned that it is at least highly unlikely that a supporter of DK (or a YES voter, they are not necessarily the same thing) could be a True Evertonian.
Now, frankly, I have no idea what a True Evertonian is. Am I a True Evertonian because I felt depressed for two days after Sunday?s game? Or conversely, is anybody who put it all behind him or her by five past five and never gave it another thought not a True Evertonian? Am I a True Evertonian because I worry that the possible death of Everton Football Club is more likely to be related to wasting away from investment malnutrition at Goodison than linked to a move to a new Stadium in Kirkby? Or is it only those who believe the opposite who can be True Evertonians?
This view that True Evertonians can only be those that think as ?we? do is pretty fascist if you ask me and I do not seek to be abusive in saying that but merely point out the similarity between that view and the philosophy that you cannot be a German and a Jew (ie. not think like a German) which once prevailed in another land.
Perhaps Mr Burns would condescend to give us all his interpretation of what a True Evertonian is, in all respects, so that we can all know our place.
Now, frankly, I have no idea what a True Evertonian is. Am I a True Evertonian because I felt depressed for two days after Sunday?s game? Or conversely, is anybody who put it all behind him or her by five past five and never gave it another thought not a True Evertonian? Am I a True Evertonian because I worry that the possible death of Everton Football Club is more likely to be related to wasting away from investment malnutrition at Goodison than linked to a move to a new Stadium in Kirkby? Or is it only those who believe the opposite who can be True Evertonians?
This view that True Evertonians can only be those that think as ?we? do is pretty fascist if you ask me and I do not seek to be abusive in saying that but merely point out the similarity between that view and the philosophy that you cannot be a German and a Jew (ie. not think like a German) which once prevailed in another land.
Perhaps Mr Burns would condescend to give us all his interpretation of what a True Evertonian is, in all respects, so that we can all know our place.
Yes Dave,
Dictating whether a person is a ?true Evertonian? on any arbitrary basis is a particularly frequent and nasty trait in my opinion...
I would suggest that those who use this term, have a somewhat limited idea of what being an Evertonian means... and therefore undermine their own argument in a spectacular fashion.
Dictating whether a person is a ?true Evertonian? on any arbitrary basis is a particularly frequent and nasty trait in my opinion...
I would suggest that those who use this term, have a somewhat limited idea of what being an Evertonian means... and therefore undermine their own argument in a spectacular fashion.
It can't be time for the AGM, BK and the board need more time to think of a bullshit story to try to keep the fans happy.
Yea, Cairan, you are dead right about this "true fans" bullshit. I should have caught that earlier... yellow card for Paul Burns.
Dave, please let’s not have the discussion. It’s pointless and stupid.
Dave, please let’s not have the discussion. It’s pointless and stupid.
Personally, I would go anywhere to watch Everton play but I can?t see the benefits of a 55,000-seater stadium when we are only managing 30,000 in a 40,000-seater. Seeing as a certain proportion of fans plan to boycot Everton if they do move to Kirkby, there will be even less fans... Also, some may struggle to get to Kirkby so even less fans. And before we know it, we have 20,000 fans in a 55,000-seater ? hardly inspirational for players, which means we may lose more games, even less fans, then huge debts and then we?re back to the bad old Walter Smith days... and all because the food stands at Goodison don?t make enough profit.
Apparently we already have over £10 million towards this yet no money for transfers. Kenwright needs to sort out his priorities.
Apparently we already have over £10 million towards this yet no money for transfers. Kenwright needs to sort out his priorities.
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So what's happened to this year's Annual Report and Accounts of Everton Football Club & Co Ltd???