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I've just had a quick look at the Official Site and was quite relieved (at first) to see a headline that suggested Victor and Saha may be fit for Monday.
On reading the text however, it merely said that they may be pretty 'close'. At the end of the article it pointed out that there were still tickets available for the Chelsea game. Now I have no objection to Everton trying to sell tickets but if it turns out on Monday that neither of the lads are fit I will not only be disappointed but just a little bit suspicious as well!
Or am I getting cynical in my old age?
Dave Roberts, Posted 18/12/2008 at 10:53:11
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I’m with Michael.
Moreover, I can’t possibly see someone doubting to buy tickets ’cause the big Vic won’t play...
Moreover, I can’t possibly see someone doubting to buy tickets ’cause the big Vic won’t play...
Michael,
If you don’t seriously want to post it then don’t seriously post it... but you did actually post it! Makes no difference to my Season ticket anyway!
There have been tickets available for all our home games this season, whether on TV or not. And they haven’t all been just before Christmas! So what is your point? I just want to be sure I am getting the truth about players fitness/availability without suspicion I am being manipulated. But we will see won’t we?
If you don’t seriously want to post it then don’t seriously post it... but you did actually post it! Makes no difference to my Season ticket anyway!
There have been tickets available for all our home games this season, whether on TV or not. And they haven’t all been just before Christmas! So what is your point? I just want to be sure I am getting the truth about players fitness/availability without suspicion I am being manipulated. But we will see won’t we?
Big Vic is box office!
Have you only just noticed that they do this - they do it every home game. You can hardly blame them. Football is now a business and one of the main priorities is to bring money into our Club.
Dave,
I think it?s a sad reflection on our fans that the club have to do thing?s such as this to shift ticket?s for a game against a big club under the floodlight?s.
I fully applaud EFC in trying to make as much money as possible in whatever way they can.
I think it?s a sad reflection on our fans that the club have to do thing?s such as this to shift ticket?s for a game against a big club under the floodlight?s.
I fully applaud EFC in trying to make as much money as possible in whatever way they can.
Also this type of thing keeps Chelsea guessing who will play and what system they will be up against. Dare I say it... good management by Moyes.
Dan, Big Vic box office? Hahaha... very funny.
Get real Dave! I feel sorry for our PR guys if the only thing they can rely on to boost ticket sales is the possibility of Big Vic?s and/or Saha?s inclusion. Why not "FELLAINI TO UNVEIL NEW HAIRSTYLE!" - now that would send demand through the roof.
Ste Kenny,
So we shouldn?t have to market tickets against "a big club"? I think the opposite is true, most EFC supporters, myself included, are getting mighty pissed off about seeing us put out as cannon fodder against the Sky 4. I?d much rather watch us play the other teams and get a fair rub of the green and half a chance of winning, FFS.
So we shouldn?t have to market tickets against "a big club"? I think the opposite is true, most EFC supporters, myself included, are getting mighty pissed off about seeing us put out as cannon fodder against the Sky 4. I?d much rather watch us play the other teams and get a fair rub of the green and half a chance of winning, FFS.
@ Dave Roberts, you really have plumbed the depths in search of something to moan about.
Paul,
I was gutted that we were knocked out of the Uefa Cup this season because AC Milan are in it and I?d love to see Everton play them. Msk Zilina doesn?t get my pulse racing I?m afraid. My point being I want to see EFC playing the best teams on the biggest stages, Chelsea in the Prem fall?s into that category.
I agree that our games aren?t always reffed fairly but based on your argument we should aspire to playing the Fulhams and Wigans of this world? It?s usually the club who get slated for a lack of ambition but to hear it from a fellow blue astounds me!
I was gutted that we were knocked out of the Uefa Cup this season because AC Milan are in it and I?d love to see Everton play them. Msk Zilina doesn?t get my pulse racing I?m afraid. My point being I want to see EFC playing the best teams on the biggest stages, Chelsea in the Prem fall?s into that category.
I agree that our games aren?t always reffed fairly but based on your argument we should aspire to playing the Fulhams and Wigans of this world? It?s usually the club who get slated for a lack of ambition but to hear it from a fellow blue astounds me!
Why change a winning team? No substitutions were made last Saturday. Ok, there weren?t too many options, but how did Man City cope with our 4-6-0? Talk about keeping the opposition guessing... Terry and Co might snuff us out, but then again they might just end up chasing shadows.
If Vic or Louis are ?nearly? fit, put the least injured on the bench for back-up, but I?d love to see this ? what did the man say, "strikerless but not toothless" ? formation given a chance to shake things up a bit.
There?s nothing any decent team likes better than a predictable opposition ? it plays to their strengths. Maybe Moyes has found something that plays to the strengths of our currently fit senior players.
All the more bizzarre, Dave.... If you have a season ticket, then manipulation is out of the question surely, as you’ve already paid and are in effect free to go or not go. But I don’t understand how Everton FC making known that tickets are still available for the next match, and mentioning uncertain injury status (we are FIVE DAYS OUT remember!) constitutes "manipulation". That is just plain silly.
Talking of attendances, I’ve been somewhat surpised to find both the last two crowds have been down around the 32k-mark when the Main Stand has looked full and the Gwladys St has looked almost full. If manipulation is going on, I think they may be manipulating the attendances numbers (again?). Last time we suspected this, there was some story about saving VAT...
Talking of attendances, I’ve been somewhat surpised to find both the last two crowds have been down around the 32k-mark when the Main Stand has looked full and the Gwladys St has looked almost full. If manipulation is going on, I think they may be manipulating the attendances numbers (again?). Last time we suspected this, there was some story about saving VAT...
Here?s a more relevant ticketing question. I am a season ticket holder who has been to all away league matches bar one, was due to qualify for a Macclesfield ticket on Monday 22nd... but, lo and behold, they had all gone by last Monday. Who to? Which supporters have crawled out of the woodwork for this one?
Ray Robinson....
I?ve been to 2 home matches this season, but through a contact in the Brain Labone suite, I?ve got 4 tickets for the Macclesfield match... I rarely pay to watch matches these days, but never refuse a freebie.
So, in answer to your question, I?m Spartacus... I?ve crawled out of the woodwork....!! I might even sell the fuckers, and not even go!!! Not my fault you know no fucker...
I?ve been to 2 home matches this season, but through a contact in the Brain Labone suite, I?ve got 4 tickets for the Macclesfield match... I rarely pay to watch matches these days, but never refuse a freebie.
So, in answer to your question, I?m Spartacus... I?ve crawled out of the woodwork....!! I might even sell the fuckers, and not even go!!! Not my fault you know no fucker...
In fairness to Dave Roberts's original post, I would not put it past EFC (or any club) to make it look like our strikers (as few and unfit as they are) to be ready for the Chelsea game and as a result attempt to entice a few more people to the game... even season ticket holders may spend a few extra quid at the game or spread the word to others to go etc.
There are too many examples of news articles or interviews where at some point they mention tickets.... not that there is anything wrong with this of course (of course EFC want extra bodies there!!) but at the same time I don?t think Dave was wrong to be a little bit suspicious!
If, and I stress "if", EFC are trying to say Saha will play "just" to get people to attend when in fact he may not be fit... well, let?s be honest... that?s wrong!
@Martin Cutler; you are missing the point here. Is it really plausible that the inclusion of Vic or Louis will entice more people to come to a match rather than the team who just pulled off a fantastic result against Citee?
People love to argue on this site don’t they!
@Brendan McLaughlin....I’m not missing any point whatsoever...I was merely attempting to support Dave’s initial theory that EFC may be enticing more fans to a game by implying that the more recognised fwd’s would be available for the big game against Chelsea.
Personally if we won every game with 11 defenders I’d be the happiest supporter around here but that ain’t gonna happen....and there is every reason to believe that -- put simply -- from EFC’s perspective that they were indeed saying Saha and Anichebe would be available to draw fans in........whether you or anybody else base your decision on that snippet of true/untrue news is up to you.
Personally I couldn’t give a flying fig what anybody thinks as long as we frigging well win the game.
@Brendan McLaughlin....I’m not missing any point whatsoever...I was merely attempting to support Dave’s initial theory that EFC may be enticing more fans to a game by implying that the more recognised fwd’s would be available for the big game against Chelsea.
Personally if we won every game with 11 defenders I’d be the happiest supporter around here but that ain’t gonna happen....and there is every reason to believe that -- put simply -- from EFC’s perspective that they were indeed saying Saha and Anichebe would be available to draw fans in........whether you or anybody else base your decision on that snippet of true/untrue news is up to you.
Personally I couldn’t give a flying fig what anybody thinks as long as we frigging well win the game.
Everton trying to shift home tickets is actually quite sad. Having lived in Newcastle a some point in my life it was nigh impossible to get a ticket at St. James’s Park. The one time I did was France vs Bulgaria Euro 96.
To analyse our chances this Monday, recent stats show if Liverpool draw then so would Chelsea. So it doesn’t matter if Saha, Anichebe or Yak is fit, if Liverpool win it’ll be backs to the wall and isolated strikers. But come Monday evening, freezing cold, homesick spolit Chelsea mercs that want away for Xmas, they’ll prob not be up to it. Or us maybe. If it’s howling rain the better. Anyone know how to do those African rain chants?
To analyse our chances this Monday, recent stats show if Liverpool draw then so would Chelsea. So it doesn’t matter if Saha, Anichebe or Yak is fit, if Liverpool win it’ll be backs to the wall and isolated strikers. But come Monday evening, freezing cold, homesick spolit Chelsea mercs that want away for Xmas, they’ll prob not be up to it. Or us maybe. If it’s howling rain the better. Anyone know how to do those African rain chants?
Ste Kenny.
Its not me that lacks ambition - its our board of directors. Too many times we have had opportunities to push on and finally get amongst the Sky4 only to be let down like we were this summer. Frankly I’m sick of it, and this years defeat to the shite left me numb as we were so poor. Our record against the Sky4 is dreadful, the gulf in finances and ambitions between these clubs and ours is enormous and I have no desire to see us humiliated. I am also of the opinion that the Sky4 get too many decisions in their favour and it gets right under my skin. For the record, I go to Goodison to watch Everton, not Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. I want my kids to see Everton competing - not humiliated which has happened far too many times for my liking.
Its not me that lacks ambition - its our board of directors. Too many times we have had opportunities to push on and finally get amongst the Sky4 only to be let down like we were this summer. Frankly I’m sick of it, and this years defeat to the shite left me numb as we were so poor. Our record against the Sky4 is dreadful, the gulf in finances and ambitions between these clubs and ours is enormous and I have no desire to see us humiliated. I am also of the opinion that the Sky4 get too many decisions in their favour and it gets right under my skin. For the record, I go to Goodison to watch Everton, not Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. I want my kids to see Everton competing - not humiliated which has happened far too many times for my liking.
Jason Lam, even the mighty barcodes don’t sell out every home game anymore I discovered recently. Credit crunch? Dissapointing results for the once-so-spoiled Toon Army? Dunno, but fact is they had an average attendance of 51,321 last year. And fact is that last four games they only drew between 45,000 and 47,800 each game.
Except for the so called big four, all attendances are dropping. It is unfair to compare our current attendances with the atttendances of the Toon in the late nineties.
Except for the so called big four, all attendances are dropping. It is unfair to compare our current attendances with the atttendances of the Toon in the late nineties.
The only thing that Pravda is good for is confirming kick off times and past results as it?s the only thing they can?t bullshit about, everything else I wouldn?t bother and use better sites like TW.
I agree with Michael. Are you taking the piss Dave Roberts? What don?t you understand about the word ?may?. ?May be fit? ?may be pretty close?. Funnily enough they way I read that is that EFC ARE NOT saying they are fit and will play, but that they are closing in on fitness and MAY play. I can?t believe people are actually discussing how Everton are trying to rip fans off, etc. Ste Kenny ?It?s a sad reflection, blah, blah, blah?.
If they don?t play it?s beacause they are not fit, nothing suspicious about that. Have the club said they are definitely playing? No
Oh, in case anyone is not sure, here?s a definition of ?may? - ?Used to indicate a certain measure of likelihood or possibility?.
If they don?t play it?s beacause they are not fit, nothing suspicious about that. Have the club said they are definitely playing? No
Oh, in case anyone is not sure, here?s a definition of ?may? - ?Used to indicate a certain measure of likelihood or possibility?.
Ray Robinson, I’ve got a ticket for Macclesfield. It’s all about who you know!
FAO Ray, if you have been to all bar one league game, surely you would have qualified for tickets on Monday or Tuesday this week ? why wait until the 22nd? You did say you had a season ticket? I have been to all, but also signed up for tickets on Auto scheme ? no problem.
Who reads the main site anyway? Until I turn on the telly and see who is in the runway, then I?ll know who is fit. What crap from last week that said Vic failed a late fitness test. The late fitness test was probably given on Thursday. I think we?ll probably see Saha sometime around Easter Monday.
Let me ask you: Would you go to the match if the ticket was less?
Let me ask you: Would you go to the match if the ticket was less?
Am I missing some thing here? I never bother to check who is in the team ? I just go and support whoever wears the shirt. If Mickey Mouse was playing, I would still go, as would most. Dave, mate, the club (or if you prefer, Bill) have enough faults without looking for ones that are not there.
Jasom Lam - check your facts mate, Newcastle have up to 10,000 empty seats each week.
On the original point, I really can't find fault with the club trying to sell more tickets, it's vital that we get as much money in as possible after all, and we?d be criticising them if they weren't trying.
On the original point, I really can't find fault with the club trying to sell more tickets, it's vital that we get as much money in as possible after all, and we?d be criticising them if they weren't trying.
Damian,
I think you need to read my post again, it was fully supportive of the club using whatever means necessary to sell tickets.
I fully agree with the argument you make.
I think you need to read my post again, it was fully supportive of the club using whatever means necessary to sell tickets.
I fully agree with the argument you make.
Apologies to Dave Roberts, whose thread I hijacked, but in response to those less than sympathetic respondents who had a go at me for compalining about the Macclesfield ticket distribution. Firstly, I do not subscribe for the automatic cup competition ticket allocation ? you?ve got me there Lynn Thorne. I may be loyal but I?m not prepared to shell out for fixtures that I don?t even know about.
My point was that, despite attending every league game bar one, as has my son and mate, we have been denied the opportunity to purchase a ticket for Macclesfield because the 2,300 allocation appears to have been allocated to shareholders in batches of who knows what quantities. I waited until 22 December, Lynn because that?s what the club TOLD me to do. Looks like the shareholders bought up all the tickets irrespective of whether or not they intend to show up. Well call me old fashioned but that doesn?t smack of the "Peoples Club".
And thank you Ray Goodlass for your constructive and informative reply.
My point was that, despite attending every league game bar one, as has my son and mate, we have been denied the opportunity to purchase a ticket for Macclesfield because the 2,300 allocation appears to have been allocated to shareholders in batches of who knows what quantities. I waited until 22 December, Lynn because that?s what the club TOLD me to do. Looks like the shareholders bought up all the tickets irrespective of whether or not they intend to show up. Well call me old fashioned but that doesn?t smack of the "Peoples Club".
And thank you Ray Goodlass for your constructive and informative reply.
Ray - the tickets went on sale to Season ticket holders with 8 aways on the Monday 15th - 6 on the Tuesday 16th. Therefore you would have qualified for 1 of them. It was clearly stated on the site beforehand. By 22nd it would have been down to just aways and no season ticket, therefore I asked if you had one.
Lynn, my mistake then ? I misread it. I thought the initial allocation was to shareholders not season ticket holders. Must have read it after one too many at the Christmas Party! Seems like it was my carelessness after all!
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Victor and Saha may be fit for Monday. Or they may not be fit for Monday... Deal with it.
Tickets are still available for the Chelsea game. Hardly surprising as it's on TV, a few days before Christmas.
"Cynical" isn't the word I would have chosen.