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However, Chelsea keeper Petr Cech refused to criticise Dowd's decision, saying: "It was hard for the ref to see what happened. He had a split second... he made a decision and we have to live with that. It happens, sometimes you play with 10 men."
Moyes also refused to argue against the officials' ruling that a Steven Pienaar "goal" late on was offside. "I have quickly had a look at the Pienaar 'goal' and I have to say, I think the linesman has got it right and he was offside," he said. "As well as that, it looks like Cech might have got both hands on the ball before Steven forced it in anyway.
"As managers it is important we come out and say what we see, that's how we will get respect, and I thought that was the right decision even though it didn't go our way."
Watching Setanta in the US ,Cech's comments were the first I heard on the dismissal. His comments were relayed immediately after the game finished. Scolari et al take note, he was open, honest and non-confrontational. He relayed it as he saw it. DM's comments, after reviewing a situation which would have seen us IMHO rightly win the match, reflect Cech's. They were honest and open.
Watch if you can Terry's response to the red card. I could see him mouth the word "Phil" after the card was produced on more than one occasion while passing the Captain's armband to Lampard. To me he was merely asking for further reasoning before leaving the field of play. Again he showed respect to the official. He also showed compassion IMHO by checking on the status of the EFC player involved, Leon Osman, before leaving the field of play.
Contrast this with the actions of the "surrogate" Chelsea captain Lampard. A free-kick awarded against Chelsea. Lampard collects a yellow card for arguing with Dowd. Instead of showing the same judgement and behaviour of Terry he stupidly gets a booking. This for a surrogate who should be setting an example. Then, low and behold, Ashley Cole receives a yellow card during the same incident.
Counter that with the reactions of our players faced with similar situations. One in particular was an infringement deemed to have been caused by "Jags". He stated his case, was rebuffed and what happened? We just got on with the game ? with no yellow or red cards.
Gary Sedgwick, Posted 22/12/2008 at 21:53:24
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Also because I was too far away when we scored I don't know why it was disallowed. Can someone please enlighten me, thanks.
The disallowed goal seemed to me to be the right call, whether it was for offside or for Peanuts kicking the ball out of Cech’s hands.
Cech was amazing. His command of the box when catching corners is second to no one. Many lesser keepers would’ve never come near some of those balls. He was classy after the match, too - an all too rare happening in football these days.
I agree with most of your post, what I would say is that by calling the ref by his first name, Terry actually showed a lack of respect. Compare this to the Jags incident and you?ll notice that he referred to him as "ref"; this, for me is the difference between Everton players and these so-called superstars. Tim Sherwood is a toss-pot, what would he have said had it have been one of our foreign lads fouling Terry?, If Osman?s leg had been planted it would have been much worse.
You could argue that what the clown Moyes has instilled in EFC players is not respect for the beauty or the laws of the game but too much respect for the opposition leading to the absolutely dire circumstances the team (sic) face today. What sort of laughing stock is the ginger one now with almost the entire first team injured and a reluctance to play youngsters. Respect...... hmmmmm... Everton are shit ? especially Moyes. Respect.
And regarding the dissallowed goal, Ricardo Carvalho touched it last and knocked it out of Cech's hands so therefore it didn't matter where Pienaar was stood because he didnt touch it last.
I would have taken a point before the game but was well disappointed after the game which I think is a good thing!! I think with a recognised striker on the pitch we might have caused even more problems and would probably have won the game but hey ho!
Let's hope we can take that performance forward like we did the Man U one and kick on into the New Year. COYB
However, I would like to echo the sentiments of this post, and commend Petr Cech and John Terry for giving an honest appraisal and checking on a fellow professional’s potential injury respectively.
Conversely, I read an article this morning that remarked on Chelsea’s arrogance when a couple of decisions went against them and I think that Lampard, Ashley Cole et al should be taking a long, hard look in the mirror today.
Conclusion, Offside... by virtue of influencing the play.
All the Best!!
I see the Drogba-esque dive that Jags made in his own box has went largely unmentioned...
Those dasdardly referees eh!
I agree, Lampard was petulant and Ashley Cole too. Ballack should be ashamed with himself after trying to cheat to get Cahill dismissed shortly after the Terry incident. As for the Terry incident, I must admit I am a little sympathetic as I don?t believe he was going in with any intent, but you simply can?t launch yourself like that as you do lose control and if Ossie had his feet planted he could quite easily have broken both legs.
As for Tim Sherwood the guy is an idiot anyway, I do believe he said Ossie?s dive didn?t help which is nonsense, Ossie was just flipped by the challenge as he was running forward at the time. And as for saying the ref lost control that?s nonsense as fair play to Phil Dowd, he took a calm view of the situation rather than making a quick reaction, quite the opposite to losing control I feel.
All in all, a clean sheet, a pretty good performance and perhaps a little unlucky to not get all three points.
United without Tevez, Rooney, Berbatov and, I can't even think of another striker they?ve got, either Ronaldo or the kid on loan at Tottenham.
Arsenal without Adebayor, Van Persie, Eduardo and, again, cant think, maybe the young kid Vela is it.
Chelsea without Anelka, Drogba, Malouda and Kalou.
You just can't legislate for 4 strikers being out injured at the same time.
I also watched the match on Setanta and the half-time analysis was a real embarrassment. IMO they made a complete fool out of themselves over there. It was so anti-Everton. They tried in every way to condemn Dowd’s decision and to justify Terry’s tackle.
The red card was a stonewaller, I couldn?t believe the actions of the muppets in the Setanta studio. They were disgraceful with their analysis of that situation.
In my opinion, it was a well earned and deserved point in a match against one of the best sides in the world, where we didn?t have a single fit senior striker. We played very well and came so close to winning the game on a few occasions.
The letter of the law states that any player not incontrol of his body during a tackle i.e. both feet off the ground shall be sent from the field of play ? now if my eyes haven't gone west then both Terry?s feet were off the ground when he hit Ossie = red card.
There's nothing to even debate about it ? missed opportunity by us but I thought it was a pulsating game to watch and enjoyed every minute of it, even if it was ultimately slightly dissapointing not to win.
Great performance by us with no strikers and if we?d had Saha and/or another striker available I reckon we would have won the game.
There but for the grace....
As for the "goal", two things. Firstly it was a bit shitty to be given offside given that the attack and the cross was delivered almost from the bye-line. Is everyone supposed to run backwards immediately? I think we were hard done by in that regard.
Secondly, my immediate view was that Cech’s reaction was designed to, and succeeeded in, making the ref think he was fouled. Any contact was clearly by Ballack (who incidentally was crap & petulant all night). He did sort of just have his hands on the ball but debatable if it was "under control" and does that matter if it’’s knocked in by the defender?
Given the chances that we had (wasn’t Fellaini unlucky!) without all 4 strikers and the fact that it was probably Howard’s easiest game ever, I think we deserved to win.
Lampard, Ballack and Drogba were all poor & petulant.
And McManaman going on about how badly he was cheering for the RS on Sunday was, frankly, embarrassing. Wasn?t he one of those famous boyhood Blues who turned pink?
That tackle by John Sociopath was bad, but Kuyt?s assault on PN last year was about as nasty a thing as you?ll ever see on a pitch.
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