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I have been mulling this over for a while now. Why is it that no matter what Moyes never (ok hardly ever) seems to be able to turn over one of the top 4 (5 if you include Villa). Chelsea were down to 10 men for nearly an hour and we just couldn?t do it.

I also wished for once he would make changes to actually win a match, other than forced because of injuries. We never see changes made at half time.

My 3rd moan is our strikers, am I really on my own thinking we need a massive reshuffle and getting rid of Big Vic (never a Prem player) & Vaughan (possibilities but always injured)

The 4th moan, can Osman please just go, I remember he impressed whilst on loan at Carlise, that?s his level.

Macclesfield away anyone? Please Moyes not another Shrewsbury, Oldham? tumbleweed. Finally Merry Xmas to all the Toffeewebbers (inc Marsh n Dodd)
Joe McMahon, Rossendale (with No Gas)     Posted 23/12/2008 at 09:49:12

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Brian Baker
1   Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:39:01

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Leon Osman, was our best player last night and he has probably been our most consistent performer this season!
Jay Wilson
2   Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:48:22

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He doesn?t make changes because he has no-one on the bench!!!!!!! If he had Drogba on the bench, you bet he?d be bringing him on at half time... if he had Tevez/Keane etc etc etc you can bet he?d bring them on to change the game. Unfortunately at present he has 11/12 fit Premier League standard players and THAT IS IT!!!!!!!!

Earlier in the season, did he not bring Saha on against Hull, that changed the game... Vaughan against West Brom, that changed the game. Even those options aren?t open to him at present.
James Byrne
3   Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:54:18

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Crap Post!

Sorry
Gary Creaney
4   Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:50:34

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Someone please explain to me what David Moyes actually could have done to help win this match.

Consider this:
Leading to the disallowed goal, Leon Osman kicked the ball directly at Cech, 6 inches either way => GOAL.

Hibbert put an excellent cross onto Fellaini?s head which he headed straight at Cech.

Baines put in a fast low cross which Fellaini just couldn?t get enough on.

That was 3 clear chances, without having a single striker on the pitch. Moyes therefore in my opinion had done everything HE could given such limited resources.

You're right about big Vic, truly bad. Though I don?t agree about Ossie; agreed he?s not the greatest player for us but he definitely has an important part to play.
Jay Harris
5   Posted 23/12/2008 at 15:00:14

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Joe, I don't know what you and others have got against Osman but to play on with a badly bruised ankle and carrying a long term injury too is testimony to his dedication and commitment. I also think that his skill on the ball is much better than most of our other midfield players but that's just my opinion.I just wish true supporters would stop using Ossie as a whipping boy and get behind the lad.
Brian Wolf
6   Posted 23/12/2008 at 15:07:58

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Joe McMahon

You state that there is no gas....I?m afraid that?s all your post is mate. HOT AIR.
Robbie Skinley
7   Posted 23/12/2008 at 15:20:23

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Absolutely ridiculous post!
Adrian Lalor
8   Posted 23/12/2008 at 15:17:51

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I thought Ozzie had a decent game last night, he was one of our better players.
Peter Fearon
9   Posted 23/12/2008 at 15:14:45

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I find myself in the strange position of defending Leon Osman. I’ve been critical of him in the past but he has played well recently including against Chelsea. He needs to come forward more and be sharper in front of goal. He crosses well and if he could develop some dead ball skill he would be a much more valued player. When he was a youth player he was deadly in front of goal.
Craig Taylor
10   Posted 23/12/2008 at 16:05:43

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Leon Osman has been one of our better players for a few seasons now. He is a bit lightweight but he is comfortable on the ball, he can get a goal and his dedication and commitment to the Everton shirt... I don?t think you see many players show that to a club.
Connor Rohrer
11   Posted 23/12/2008 at 16:23:39

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To be fair to Osman he?s been playing well of late, his performances against Spurs, Man City and Chelsea have been good. I?m not a big fan of him outwide but he?s doing a decent job out there.

As I?ve always said he?s a great player to have in the squad. He?s a good footballer, he?s works his socks off, he?s versatile and he?ll do a job anywhere for this club. He also doesn?t mind being a squad player, he loves Everton Football Club.

We all know he needs replacing but no we shouldn?t get rid, he gives this team/squad a lot and will continue to offer something to this club.

Anichebe and Vaughan are 20 years old. They are on low wages and they are still learning their trade. I see no reason to get rid to be honest. Especially with our lack of money and small squad. It just doesn?t make sense, it?s not like we?d get any money for two unproven players.
Gavin Roberts
12   Posted 23/12/2008 at 16:34:28

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Not sure what everybody’s problem is with Osman. He’s our most consistent, hard-working performer. On top of that he’s a local guy with whom we can all relate to in an age when most teams are full of fellas with funny accents, million-pound bank accounts, bimbo wives and ferraris, and whom we would struggle to hold a conversation with. Put simply he is one of us.
Graham Eaves
13   Posted 23/12/2008 at 17:29:21

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Congratulations Joe McMahon! You are the winner of the most ridiculous, ill-informed post of the year award!
Are you any relation to that RS twat Steve?
Neil McKinney
14   Posted 23/12/2008 at 18:16:37

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Sorry Joe, got to agree with pretty much everyone above. Shouldn’t have wasted the electricity firing up your computer to post that.

Osman was our best player in a lot of the forgettable games as well as turning in good performances in games we’ve won of late (as mentioned by others above). This is really lazy stuff fella.

Either you were half watching it on telly while winning the league for the 20th time on FM, or you fell asleep at the game. Who would you have brought on? urrr...ummm...urrr... yeah that’s right, you can’t bring on players you don’t have. Remember, just in case you were going to come back with names like AVM, we still could have lost the game at 0-0, so no point bringing on a liability.

Come on Joe, try a little harder next time, you get an F from me for this effort.
Joe McMahon
15   Posted 23/12/2008 at 20:26:03

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Ok OK Yes - I didn’t see last nights game at all. Fair do’s is Osman had a good game.

Jay Wilson - yes we don’t have Tevez on the bench, but we do have players on our bench who never get on the pitch. If they ain’t good enough they shoudn’t be there, you can say money this, money that, but after 7 years in charge 65k a week this should be being addressed.
Damian Wilde
16   Posted 23/12/2008 at 21:10:10

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What a wank post. Osman is a decent player and had a great game last night. He’s been decent for Everton for 4 odd years now. Get off Ossie’s back!!
Neil Pearse
17   Posted 23/12/2008 at 21:10:10

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Joe, some advice: when in a hole, stop digging. Your second post didn’t help.

You didn’t see the game, and you seem to believe that players should get on the pitch if they are on the bench (even if all our forwards are injured).

Jutkiewicz would not have done a better job than Fellaini (or probably Lescott or Jagielka) as a centre forward last night. Think about it.
Benji Learman
18   Posted 23/12/2008 at 21:13:01

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What a stupid thing to say in an article! I cannot believe you say Leon Osman is a poor player! His touch is quality, you think Andy Shandy can come on and do a better job? I don't think so mate, he could barely run, the only reason Andy Shandy is on the bench is because of the injuries we've got, he has got no chance in hell of getting into the squad!

Also, did you honestly want Moyes to make a change? Fair enough, Baines had to come on and I thought he did a great job, he made some good runs, got into good positions and for someone who hasn't played a lot to come into a big game like that half way through he did brilliantly! Who would you of bought off? And who would you of bought on?

What you have to think of is who we're playing against, it was 0-0, why bring someone like Kissock on, who, yes, I've heard is a good talent, but he has no experience. It's not a game you bring on someone like that; bring him on when we're beating the likes of West Brom 3-0 at home or something!

Moyes got his tactics spot on I thought, Chelsea with 10 men is still as hard as playing an 11-man Chelsea side, we went for it but couldn't have too many up the field at once as you know the players Chelsea have, they can break and punish you badly!

So good on Davey Moyes, good on the everton squad, no strikers, and I'm sure if we did have the Yak or even Anichebe, a goal would've gone in eventually! No other team has a team spirit like ours, we bounced back against Villa brilliantly, the team and Moyes must've been as heartbroken as we are.

You can tell Moyes is because he has bought it a few times this week, saying Villa are the team he has his eye on, he knows and we know they are a good squad, and he's jealous, we're jealous of them. But I am a true believer that we will kick on, Moyes will bring us glory!!!!!!

Alan Kirwin
19   Posted 23/12/2008 at 21:21:02

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Joe McMahon: as you have already been advised by everyone else who, strangely, watches the games, very poor post. Try harder next time.
Robbie Muldoon
20   Posted 23/12/2008 at 23:59:27

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Moyes could have ordered more attacks/crosses down the wings as that is how we were going to win the match. Pienaar was run into the ground on 80 minutes, Moyes should have subbed him for Van der Meyde for the last 10 mins with orders to whip the crosses in for Cahill and Fellaini.

There, more of a clue than Moyes.
Matt Bone
21   Posted 24/12/2008 at 00:14:55

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Utter nonsense. Whilst Osman may not be the world's most gifted winger, he has shown his versatility by playing (and this season playing well) in many different positions. For all those Osman bashers, if you actually watch the man's game you will see he is always trying to create something by driving forward and taking on the opposition.

If you take last season's hero, Carsley, when did you EVER see him take anyone on and try to create anything? I loved what Carsley brought to the club and I admire Ossie for at least attempting to create things. He could always play a safe sideways ball and never lose it but we would then create less chances than we do already.

I think he deserves our support and encouragement, after all, we ain't got a lot else.

Laurie Cooper
22   Posted 24/12/2008 at 00:30:08

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Joe, I found myself disagreeing with your summing up of the Chelsea match, and especially your conclusion that Leon Osman should go. However, you don’t deserve the largely moronic responses you drew, especially the utterly inane one that linked you with the unfortunate and misguided managerial disaster that is Steve McMahon.

As yet none of your critics have responded to your quite reasonable challenge re unused bench players ("If they ain?t good enough they shoudn?t be there,..") nor have they addressed the critical issue of why we are in still in this type of position (having such a small squad and running with bench players who apparently aren’t up to it) four years after David Moyes told us this was an area that needed attention and would be sorted as a matter of priority. And before we hear the usual excuses about lack of money and a large and unanticipated injury list, there is still the question about why our younger players (with one well known exception) appear to take longer to mature and why we do not have sufficient match ready numbers coming through.
Dan Brierley
23   Posted 24/12/2008 at 01:57:22

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Laurie, I think Moyes has quite rightly prefered to strengthen his first eleven to keep up with the Premier League rather than throw money at the subs bench. Those with value who could provide options from the bench (McFadden, Johnson) have been sold to bring money in. If you look at the benches of other teams outside the top 4, we are no different.

I am surprised you are blaming the management for the lack of youth players, when it is well documented that home-grown talent is suffering due to foreign imports being at record levels. Have a look around the net, there is plenty of articles relating to that. Although that might mean it's not the fault of the management, which would be hard for some to swallow.

Although the abuse has been pretty harsh, I am afraid you have to take it when you concede you don't even watch the match, and identify one of our best performers as being someone who should leave! You really leave yourself wide open with things like that.

Keith?s post really did make me laugh though! I think that deep down, the reason why we don't beat the top 4, is around £100 million quid. It's like asking why your Rover 75 doesn't perform as well as a BMW 325 M3, and then blaming Rover for making a shit car.
Laurie Cooper
24   Posted 24/12/2008 at 08:22:03

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Dan, I take your point regarding David Moyes strengthening the starting line-up as a priority, but it was he who identified the serious problems our lack of depth presented and, as such, I think it?s reasonable to expect that he would do something positive about it after the time he?s had since making that statement.

The youngsters coming through don?t have to be local lads, they can be brought in from all points such as the young Icelandic lads we have presently, or have had in the past, on our books.
Kase Chow
25   Posted 23/12/2008 at 23:44:53

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Given the original poster of this thread didn?t even watch the game in question, I have to assume he hasn?t seen many of our subs play... In which case how can he know who is good enough or not? This post is mind bogglingly stupid!
Rich Griffiths
26   Posted 26/12/2008 at 20:05:14

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I can’t accept any criticism of Ossie. He’s me favourite player.
Graham Brandwood
27   Posted 27/12/2008 at 21:12:43

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Leon Osman great finisher, versatile, hard working. Just don?t get the people who pick on Leon. Just what is it about?

Rubbish post.

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