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That Goal
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I have just watched the Pienaar "goal" about a hundred times and it seems to me there's a dynamic nobody is accounting for. Pienaar did run into an offside position at one stage but was almost immediately played onside again. The goal might have been disallowed for the so-called challenge on Cech but as it was a Chelsea player who was involved in impeding him, there's no reason why that should result in a disallowed goal.
In all likelihood Dowd was simply evening up the score for sending off John Terry. Referees often send off a second, opposing, player when they can to keep things even. It makes them appear fair. When they can't do that, a disallowed goal is often the next best thing.
Frankly, after Terry went I was worried about Cahill and Fellaini staying on the field for the whole match. Referees are generally incompetent and some are corrupt and there are no two ways about that. In this case, Dowd had sent off Terry, booked Cole and Lampard and probably felt he better have something to tell the FA if Scolari complained about him.
Yes, I know the linesman made the call, but it was Dowd's decision. If this sounds paranoid, check how often refs send off a second player or disallow a goal after sending a player off.
Peter Fearon, Posted 23/12/2008 at 14:56:05
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Michael Kenrick
I said as it was scored it would be disallowed. I only watched the replay once; Pienaar was offside. The linesman flagged for offside. The ref disallowed the goal for offside. End of Story! While what you say may have merit in a general sense, I would say it has no merit in this instance.
I agree with Michael’s response. Pienaar was offside when the ball was struck goalward AND close enough to the action to be deemed "in play" at that time. The linesman flagged that incident not the ensuing drama. Look at how he has his flag held out. Parallel to the surface, not up or down, signifying he is indicating a player in the middle width of the pitch. In this case Pienaar. He did not wave his flag around indicating a foul. I did not need to watch the incident a hundred times to reach the same conclusion as Michael but saw it twice and still concur.
If Dowd was trying to even up the score he could have made the following decisions.. Book Timmy when Ballack was clearly feigning assault and book him again when he clumsily slid into Alex.
End of discussion. No merit I am afraid.
If Dowd was trying to even up the score he could have made the following decisions.. Book Timmy when Ballack was clearly feigning assault and book him again when he clumsily slid into Alex.
End of discussion. No merit I am afraid.
Yes, it does sound a little paranoid.
You can re-watch the non-goal 1,000 times if you wish, but the result will be the same. The only thing that matters is the 1 time that the ref and linesman saw it.
Move on....
You can re-watch the non-goal 1,000 times if you wish, but the result will be the same. The only thing that matters is the 1 time that the ref and linesman saw it.
Move on....
PIenaar was in an offisde position when the ball was kicked goalwards. He then challenged the keeper for the ball, so he was involved in active play.
That means the linesman was correct to flag for offside and for the goal to be disallowed.
And a happy Christmas to everyone too, especially a certain TM - I haven’t seen you around here for a few weeks, hope all is well.
That means the linesman was correct to flag for offside and for the goal to be disallowed.
And a happy Christmas to everyone too, especially a certain TM - I haven’t seen you around here for a few weeks, hope all is well.
I must admit I didn’t even celebrate the goal as I thought it would be disallowed for a foul on the keeper.
For once we had a ref who was reasonable and fair in his decisions, and unintimidated by the Sky Four. Moyesy gave credit where credit is due, and so should we. Well done Phil Dowd!
Question... Yes, agree Pienaar was offside when the shot was played. However, as soon as the keeper saves and fumbles does this not bring him back into play and allow him to challenge for the ball?
It was offside lads and it kills me to say it.
I wonder why only 2 minutes injury time was put up. With subs and the Cech injury ? surely longer.
But then a point is a point...
But then a point is a point...
I started to celebrate but then doubt hit my mind. Terry sent off and we get a winning goal... surely that can?t happen. Then the players stopped celebrating, my doubts were proved right, if for a differing reason. But I find myself not beleiving anything has gone our way until the ref has confirmed it.
For me, that was one of the best refereeing performances I have ever seen, apart from the lack of stoppage time.
He got nearly every decision correct, took no shite from the superstars, and gave us the correct ? but comedy ? booking of Ballack.
I have always felt that Chelsea get the least in terms of favourable decisions in comparison with the rest of the sky 4, and this has not changed. However, I do feel that this referee?s performance should be given maximum exposure, so the rest of them can feel confident treating Gerrard, Rooney et al with no preference.
He got nearly every decision correct, took no shite from the superstars, and gave us the correct ? but comedy ? booking of Ballack.
I have always felt that Chelsea get the least in terms of favourable decisions in comparison with the rest of the sky 4, and this has not changed. However, I do feel that this referee?s performance should be given maximum exposure, so the rest of them can feel confident treating Gerrard, Rooney et al with no preference.
Looked a fair decision to me. A great performance by Dowd, I thought. As for "evening things out", I think you?re being paranoid ? it was an instantaneous decision with no pre-meditation. However, I do agree that a ref might look for other ways in trying to be even-handed - i.e. by sending off a player to balance things out. That?s why Cahill in particular had to tread carefully.
However, Dowd has set a precedent in taking no shit. If other refs follow suit, how long will it be before Gerard and Rooney get their marching orders? Not too hopeful on that score!
However, Dowd has set a precedent in taking no shit. If other refs follow suit, how long will it be before Gerard and Rooney get their marching orders? Not too hopeful on that score!
It was offside.
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In Dowd?s defence, he was looking to give the goal but the flag went up immediately so it wasn?t Dowd?s decision. We just don?t get that kind of luck like Arsenal did against Chelsea.
Ossie should have scored before any of that happened. It was basically an open goal!! Bad miss and a good save!! Unlucky but I think we should have won that game, we had enough chances and apart from Cole early on, they didn't have a sniff.
As soon as Cech touched the ball, Pienaar was instantly onside.
Ok, I only watched it about eight times, but try as I did (and oh boy, did I try), I could not find a reason for the goal to stand.
Peanut was offside, and charging towards a possible rebound. Therefore, he had to be considered involved in the play.
I?m also pretty damn sure that SP kicked the ball out of Cech?s hands. Ballack didn?t do much except fall down and then grab his goalies thumb and inexplicably snap it back, thus leaving Cech with a compound fracture, as could be clearly seen from the leather-hatted one?s reaction. Had the play not been offside, then I believe the question would?ve been whether the keeper had control of the ball. Survey says.... yes, he did.
Now, if you wanna talk about AJ?s goal at Ewood, or Jimmy Vaughan?s winner at Stamford Bridge late on the last day of the season a couple of years back, or Yakubu?s second against West Ham last spring or Bryan Hamilton?s winner in the ?77 semi-final......
Peanut was offside, and charging towards a possible rebound. Therefore, he had to be considered involved in the play.
I?m also pretty damn sure that SP kicked the ball out of Cech?s hands. Ballack didn?t do much except fall down and then grab his goalies thumb and inexplicably snap it back, thus leaving Cech with a compound fracture, as could be clearly seen from the leather-hatted one?s reaction. Had the play not been offside, then I believe the question would?ve been whether the keeper had control of the ball. Survey says.... yes, he did.
Now, if you wanna talk about AJ?s goal at Ewood, or Jimmy Vaughan?s winner at Stamford Bridge late on the last day of the season a couple of years back, or Yakubu?s second against West Ham last spring or Bryan Hamilton?s winner in the ?77 semi-final......
Ray Robinson: Gerrard, Rooney and Terry ? Jesus Christ, there?s a Rogues Gallery of inbreeding if I?ve ever seen one. Uuuggghhh.... surprised I?ve never thought of that before.
You have a point, though. As did the awful Graham Poll on Setanta at half-time on Monday. Referees are afraid to deal fairly with these behavioural basket-cases because their "stature" in the game puts them essentially, above the law.
Phil Dowd showed a pair of brass nuts the other night, not least in sending that lunatic off when he did. Pulling the red card out in the 85th minute would not have been the same thing. Any Clutterberg or Mother Riley can do that. Although it?s unlikely, let?s hope that his action will rub off on some of his brethren.
You have a point, though. As did the awful Graham Poll on Setanta at half-time on Monday. Referees are afraid to deal fairly with these behavioural basket-cases because their "stature" in the game puts them essentially, above the law.
Phil Dowd showed a pair of brass nuts the other night, not least in sending that lunatic off when he did. Pulling the red card out in the 85th minute would not have been the same thing. Any Clutterberg or Mother Riley can do that. Although it?s unlikely, let?s hope that his action will rub off on some of his brethren.
Micheal the editor: Your reply makes no sense whatsoever. You say you saw the replay only once, which puts you at a disadvantage to those that have laboured over it many times. In addition, you claim that the original post has merit in a general sense, but not in this instance. Pray elaborate on that, ’Cause as far as I can see, that statement is either meaningless or contradictory. So which is it?
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