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A team to be proud of?

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Just had a chance to watch the Chelsea game after being away for the weekend, several points made me think of the contrasting tactics of Premier League teams.

We don?t really have any divers or play actors. (I know Arteta goes down a bit easy some times but he?s not in the same league as the likes of Drogba or Ballack.) Our players don?t roll around like they have been shot or surround the ref every time a decision is given against us. And it makes me wonder if this to our credit of detriment?

Personally, I would like to think we play the game the right way and deserve every point we get but can?t help thinking that the most successful teams use any means necessary to gain an advantage. Do we need to be more ruthless to succeed?
Kevin Price, Wrexham     Posted 24/12/2008 at 23:10:26

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Billy Dean
1   Posted 24/12/2008 at 03:08:20

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I think we should just accept diving as part of the game and look at it as an extra way to gain an advantage. That part of the game is here and here to stay.
Matthew Salem
2   Posted 24/12/2008 at 04:11:24

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We are a pretty honest team, that I do think for sure. I believe it can have it?s drawbacks at times, because we may seem a bit naive and not as clever at getting advantages in games from refs.

But if you have a reputation, yellow cards can come quickly, as was the case for Chelsea on Monday.
Martin Cutler
3   Posted 24/12/2008 at 04:17:47

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Absolutely NOT!

If diving and acting like a prat and a bully is the way to succeed then I want no part in it. And before all the usual "end of the world" brigade jump on me, of course (as far as Monday's game is concerned) Chelsea are a fabulous team, many fantastic players but they do crowd the ref, they don?t like decisions that go against them, they do act like they own the frigging Premier League and they do behave like they are a rich club, which they are, who are entitled to be in the top four.

EFC are not perfect (and DM himself is not perfect) but I?m proud to call myself an EFC supporter and I wouldn?t want any player (Kevin is right about Arteta though) rolling around the ground like some kind of injured prima donna... jumping up as though as though nothing happened once the decision goes their way.

For the most part our players act and play like they "work" for the club and the supporters, that they are indeed true professionals and I wouldn?t want it any other way. If we get 4th or 5th or whatever then I know (we all know) that we?ve earnt it on merit, not because we were lucky with the refs (that?ll be the frigging day!) or that we?ve badgered the ref or dived etc etc etc.

Pete Gunby
4   Posted 24/12/2008 at 05:01:10

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Efforts must be made to discourage diving and play acting. It is detrimental to the game and has, unfortunately, seeped down into the junior levels The only way to curb this ?cancer? is to retroactively punish the most blatent practitioners. Results should stand, but cheating needs to be punished. If Ronaldo understands that his odious fake pleas for undeserved cards are exposed and will lead to a 5-game suspension, maybe he, and his enabler( SAF), would curtail thier pathetic antics.

I expect no action to be taken by any football body. They (FA, Fifa etc) are too preoccupied punishing players for over-zealous celebrating. When they pay attention to the real issues that detract from football they will earn some respect. On that day, pigs will fly, the reds will be humble, and the EFC marketing department will get a clue. Until then, Merry Christmas to you all. COYB!

Scott Milne
5   Posted 24/12/2008 at 05:33:05

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Short memory spans or what?!...

Yakubu?s one of the worst culprits this season for pathetically throwing himself around as if he?d been snipered. All the worse due to the sheer fact that I?d put a fair bet on him coming out on top of a Premier League Battle Royale.

In football, the difference between winning and losing is paramount, not just to the club?s bank balance, the players or sponsors, but to us the fans as well. Nobody?s going to try and tell me they?d rather lose than win from an undeserved penalty or after having opposition numbers reduced ? may not feel as earnt, but it won?t stop that smile from taking over your face on the walk home or whenever you glance at the table over the following week.

We all hate it when we see Ronaldo, Gerrard or Drogba diving around ? but if they were doing it whilst wearing our royal blue, few would be moaning.
Jason Lam
6   Posted 24/12/2008 at 06:19:42

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Football is a contact sport and fouls are part and parcel of it. Arteta is the most fouled player in the Premier League but no doubt he contributed to that amount in looking for the foul by getting himself in situations between the player and the ball, and the opposition had no choice but to ?foul? him. Quite clever actually. It would make perfect sense if he could deliver the freekick properly to gain full advantage though.

Yakubu is a diver as many times there?s no contact whatsoever. He doesn?t scream as much as Ronaldo, Drogba, Ballack though. But it?s just as embarassing cos he?s built like a tank. Won?t be printing Yak 22 on me jerseys anytime soon.
Jeremy Benson
7   Posted 24/12/2008 at 08:25:04

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Agree with Scott, some rose-tintedness going on around here.

Yak has been embarassing at times. What's worse, is that several of those situations it would have been easier to shoot than to go down.

And Arteta, whilst he gets kicked a lot, does often "look for it" outside the box to get free-kicks or when there is limited option to pass. All part and parcel of the game that is and I have no problem with that particular aspect, but I wouldn't claim we were whiter than white.
Matty Dawkins
8   Posted 24/12/2008 at 08:31:39

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Scott, speak for yourself mate, I personally don?t want any dishonest players in our team, certainly not the three front bums you?ve mentioned... They make me sick!!!

Yes, Yakubu takes the odd dive (he should be subbed immediately by the way) but he gets fuck all for it except yellow cards.
Nick Heady
9   Posted 24/12/2008 at 09:20:19

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Regarding the Chelsea game and more specifically the Terry sending off, as was mentioned after the game if Terry had stayed down and acted injured he would probably have stayed on with only a yellow. Even though I don't like the man, I think he took that quite well. So it's not just us who are naive. Probably more of a foreign thing (bar Gerrard).
Neil Pearse
10   Posted 24/12/2008 at 09:19:51

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Yak is our only real offender on the diving front.

What I am more proud of is that Everton do not go out to systematically intimidate the ref the way the Sky Four in particular do (think: Carragher, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Rooney, Ferdinand in particular). This is clearly dictated by their managers and is shameful. (Dowd nipped it in the bud on Monday by promptly booking Ballack and Lampard for dissent ? he could see exactly where this one was heading. Another feather in his cap.)

Whatever we think of their various abilities, in our defenders in particular (Neville, Jagielka, Yobo, Lescott, Baines, Hibbert all) we have some of the most honest and decent professionals in the current game. When compared to scum like Arbeloa, I think we actually can be a little proud.
Anto Meehan
11   Posted 24/12/2008 at 09:58:35

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Off topic, I know.

Many on this site mentioned how the last 4 games would define our season before the fact. Tottenham, Villa, Man City, Chelsea...

We?ve picked up 7 points from this merry band, please define...
Simon Moore
12   Posted 24/12/2008 at 10:09:01

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I agree generally about the diving but Cahill also seemed to throw himself to the ground to win a first half free kick; the one Lampard and Cole got cross about. Arteta and the Yak can also be culprits on occasions. Yes, others seem to do it quite a lot more than our boys but this doesn?t make it right.

I would like to congratulate Phil Dowd on his performance though; watching on tv, he seemed to get all the big decisions spot on, and I hope his bosses noticed. I laughed when he paced out the distance to the wall and Ballack got a card ? exactly the sort of response that players should get when they make those sort of ridiculous protestations.
Nick Entwistle
13   Posted 24/12/2008 at 10:53:37

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I want non of it thanks and as Scott doesn?t seem to think, I do moan... no shout at players when they do dive. If I supported a big 4 team I?d have to give up on them... gentlemen, it's not cricket!
Iain Love
14   Posted 24/12/2008 at 10:57:31

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Agree with many of the above points. Enjoyed watching Chelski picking up bookings left right and centre ? they obviously think that they should get special treatment because they are "world class" ? or is it because the rest of the team does it and it catches on?

As for diving to take advantage, the Yak does it but the worst I?ve ever seen was Drogba when he first arrived at Chelski, although when he stopped falling over he did become one of the best strikers in the world... maybe the Yak needs to be told? Anyway good game, and good reffing.

Ray Robinson
15   Posted 24/12/2008 at 11:53:12

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I don?t like any player blatantly cheat so I would prefer it if Yak and Arteta tried to stay upright more often. How the Yak, who is built like a tank, goes down so easily is beyond me!

However, basically, we are an honest team ? as is Moyes an honest manager ? and I prefer it that way.

The real solution, as somebody mentioned earlier, is a panel to review the theatrics and dish out suspensions retrospectively. I see no reason why this can?t be instigated straight away.
Alan Clarke
16   Posted 24/12/2008 at 13:50:54

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I thought for the first time in a long time, the ref did a decent job against Chelsea and their ref bullying, cheating tactics. What surprises me is Drogba?s speed of thought, when challenged he knows to pirouette 6 feet up in the air then roll a further 10 feet along the ground. Whenever I?ve played as soon as I?m tackled I hit the floor straight away. Drogba is a very good player and I can?t understand why he needs to cheat like this.
Steve Barr
17   Posted 24/12/2008 at 13:53:44

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I agree we play the game the right way and should carry on in that vein. A lot is made of the fact that Chelsea in particular, and many other teams crowd around the ref at every opportunity when a foul is committed against them to get a player booked or sent off.

No mention in the media about the way our players kept cool when Osman was fouled by Terry, nor when Cahill was stamped on on the edge of the box.

I think this is a most positive reflection on our team and deserves praise and respect. We should never resort to gamesmanship, we don?t need to.
Neil Pearse
18   Posted 24/12/2008 at 14:15:08

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If the tackle had been instead by Lescott on Joe Cole, then Lampard, Terry and others would IMMEDIATELY have been in the referee?s face trying to get Joleon sent off (as would ? of course ? Gerrard and Carragher).

I for one am very pleased that Moyes does not instruct our players to do this. You would have thought that spending millions was enough of an advantage for these teams, but they evidently think that it also gives them a license to cheat.
Ray Roche
19   Posted 24/12/2008 at 16:23:52

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Just a couple of points, I thought Dowd had an excellent game on Monday, despite the pressure of reffing one of the Sky4 he didn?t bottle it and treated both teams the same.

One thing I would like Moyes to do, though, is to stop our players getting involved in any arguments OTHER teams are having with the ref.

You know the sort of thing, a ref gives a contentious decision and the opposite team team start shoving and remonstrating with the ref. OUR players start holding them back and calming them down. Bugger that! Moyes should order them not to go anywhere near them, even if they are threatening to smack, say, Cahill or Osman. Let them. Then watch them get sent off. I?m sick of our lads being too nice and stopping opponents from making pricks of themselves. Bah! Humbug.!

Sean Condon
20   Posted 25/12/2008 at 02:47:47

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Drogba plays like that because he?s an emotional five-year-old. Much like Rooney and his mate, the Portugeezer. There are plenty of examples in every sport. Athletes never have to grow up.
Sean Condon
21   Posted 25/12/2008 at 02:52:27

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Berbatov. Now he?s a real grown-up. Did you see that photo of him in the summer with a smoke dangling from his mouth? Fuck, did that look cool. He was like a latter day cross between Bogie and James Dean.

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