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Nailing the lie
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So Everton have nailed the lie ? often perpetuated in this mailbag ? that the club`s playing budget is inextricably linked to the outcome of DK. Like all good businesses, Everton prepares budgets under different headings and we can take it as read that the needs of the manager both in respect of transfer dealings and players wages will have been settled weeks ago.
Why do so many Evertonians wallow in misery and financial concern for the Club when it should be clear that under David Moyes`s guidance all matters relating to the playing side are totally under control. Surely the fact that he has agreed to remain our manager and is busy tying up his assistant should clearly indicate such!
Richard Dodd, Posted 01/07/2008 at 10:10:45
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In Wales our patron saint is St David - it appears that Richard has one of his own. Just hope your trust is not blind!!
I presume that during the process of tying up his assistant coach, David Moyes will get some rope and go round & round & round & round......
Sorry.
Sorry.
You will be pleased to hear that it was in fact the local press who stated that the transfer budget is linked to the stadium development.
Current reports are based on manager David Moyes?s legitimate concerns that the government could refuse plans for Everton?s new stadium and call a public inquiry, thus curtailing the amount of transfer business he can conduct in the summer window.
"A decision is expected by July 3, but if the plans are called in by the government for public scrutiny the entire ground-move scheme would be threatened and Everton?s immediate spending plans affected."
An EGM is called for by shareholders and the club PR man is straight in the newspapers attempting to put out the fires... funny how he didn?t set the journalists straight prior to this, isn?t it?
Ian Ross in PR spin shocker!
Of course Kirkby will affect our future transfer kitty’s...how can you remove such a significant sum and interest on that sum from club revenue and it not have an impact!
Perhaps you could tell me where this money would go if we didn’t move to Kirkby?
Into the team perhaps?
Of course Kirkby will affect our future transfer kitty’s...how can you remove such a significant sum and interest on that sum from club revenue and it not have an impact!
Perhaps you could tell me where this money would go if we didn’t move to Kirkby?
Into the team perhaps?
never mind a no2 how about trying to tye up a few players
Ah Daffy Dodd back on course worshipping at his mini alter to Saint Bill and Keith Lieness. How do the Trinity Press so clearly in bed with your beloved Bill print such lies when they have happily been used as a weapon by Bill in the past to destroy his former friend and business partner Paul Gregg? The same that happily ran with his other famous bullshitisms Fortress Fantasy Funds Ltd, King’s Dock money is ringfenced and other tales of fantasy from your blue rinsed Messiah? Suggest you get your arse to the Freshy and ask them what they have been putting in your pint as they should market it en masse. 0/10 must try harder.
Ciarán McGlone, you are correct in Ian Ross being a shocker and I must admit he appears very incompetent at times.
But you suggest that BK has the money for Kirkby already, which we don?t, no doubt going to get either.
Just ask BK though and he?ll tell you it?s ring fenced. Probably by the bank to keep him away from it.
But you suggest that BK has the money for Kirkby already, which we don?t, no doubt going to get either.
Just ask BK though and he?ll tell you it?s ring fenced. Probably by the bank to keep him away from it.
Shaun,
I did no such thing. We all know BK doesn?t have the money. That's the bloody problem.
The fact is that we have to borrow heavily to finance Kirkby, and this borrowing will be offset against future revenue streams.... How on earth Ian Ross can state that taking money from revenue streams will not affect other club business is beyond me...
Any two-year-old knows that if they have a set amount of pocket money and they choose to spend it all on sweets then they will not be able to buy a train set!
Obviously this kind of logic is beyond Mr Ross.
I did no such thing. We all know BK doesn?t have the money. That's the bloody problem.
The fact is that we have to borrow heavily to finance Kirkby, and this borrowing will be offset against future revenue streams.... How on earth Ian Ross can state that taking money from revenue streams will not affect other club business is beyond me...
Any two-year-old knows that if they have a set amount of pocket money and they choose to spend it all on sweets then they will not be able to buy a train set!
Obviously this kind of logic is beyond Mr Ross.
Priceless Richard, absolutely priceless !
I did not realise that Moyes had agreed to remain our Manager ? I am obvioulsy out of touch.
I did not realise that Moyes had agreed to remain our Manager ? I am obvioulsy out of touch.
Didnt Wyness come out last week saying it can effect our transfers kitty ???
WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH???
WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH???
I want to know everything about Everton, I want to see receipts, the lot!
Get a grip people.
Get a grip people.
Richard,
you deserve alll you get if you continue to swallow the bullshit that emanates from GP.
The shareholders who are much closer to the truth than we are are so concerned they are calling for an EGM.
It’s a pity Ian Ross didnt also confirm that DM has signed his contract and we’re not 60 million in debt.
you deserve alll you get if you continue to swallow the bullshit that emanates from GP.
The shareholders who are much closer to the truth than we are are so concerned they are calling for an EGM.
It’s a pity Ian Ross didnt also confirm that DM has signed his contract and we’re not 60 million in debt.
Bill Kenright has the money ready for Kirkby./ As a result, he is borrowing £50 million off Robert Earl which is why we haven't signed nobody as we must wait 'til we get the ground approved before Robert Earl gives us this money.
"I want to know everything about Everton, I want to see receipts, the lot!"
That?s hardly the case, however the truth would be nice once in a while!
That?s hardly the case, however the truth would be nice once in a while!
What the hell is all this money talk to do with us the ordinary supporters? Those are problems for the Board and them alone. Our job is to support the lads when they go out on the field and personally I couldn?t give a fuck where their pay packet comes from!!!!
I’m with Tidemarsh, its not really got anything to do with us where the club gets their money from - its only in recent years that we’ve thought about this stuff, and purely because of media speculation.
I dont care how much they earn, how much we owe or where it comes from, as long as we win games I’m happy.
Call me simple. :)
I dont care how much they earn, how much we owe or where it comes from, as long as we win games I’m happy.
Call me simple. :)
Makes a change from arguing about what bus links and trains we will all need to catch to get to Kirkby though...
I live in London so my journey time won’t change.
Just thought I’d mention it.
Kirkby is a bad idea all the same.
Just thought I’d mention it.
Kirkby is a bad idea all the same.
James Marshall & Alan Tidmarsh - I am sure there were many Leeds United supporters echoing your thoughts just before the shit hit the fan!
Kirkby will have a massive influence one way or the other on teams matters, to think otherwise is foolish. This stuff matters for exactly the reason that it will affect the team on the pitch.
Kirkby will have a massive influence one way or the other on teams matters, to think otherwise is foolish. This stuff matters for exactly the reason that it will affect the team on the pitch.
John - I agree with you totally mate, I meant that I don’t care where the money comes from currently with regard to transfers etc. Everyones crowing about it but nothings any different now than its ever been; we as supporters dont have any right to know the internal matters of any football club in the same way we know nothing about internal affairs at any other company.
Kirkby will of course make a difference financially but I’m putting my faith in those who are dealing with it not to fuck it up - its all we can do at the moment.
Kirkby will of course make a difference financially but I’m putting my faith in those who are dealing with it not to fuck it up - its all we can do at the moment.
Richard Dodd : Last week the club did say it would have an affect ON THIS SUMMERS transfer kitty so don?t come on here with some high handed attitude as if some of us ? Wallowers? are stupid. Sounds to me as if the club want to have this both ways having now contradicted their own statements of last week. Either that or Ross, Wyness & Kenright DON?T KNOW WHAT THEY?RE DOING Yep thoought so!
If things are so under control, how come Moyes won?t sign his ?Bumper? contract ?
If things are so under control, how come Moyes won?t sign his ?Bumper? contract ?
Richard
Oh yee of much faith, so what if they have different budget headings. I take you understand the meaning of the term virement? A stupid bloody word in my opinion because it all means essentially is moving money from one budget heading or account to another.
Oh yee of much faith, so what if they have different budget headings. I take you understand the meaning of the term virement? A stupid bloody word in my opinion because it all means essentially is moving money from one budget heading or account to another.
I my be being dumb here but...
Surely if, as stated above, the money is secured against FUTURE revenues, it would not affect the transfer budget this year but instead affect if for the next upteen years (athough this could be offset by increased revenues from the corporate boxes?)
If this correct both Widness and Ross are strictly telling the truth.
Surely if, as stated above, the money is secured against FUTURE revenues, it would not affect the transfer budget this year but instead affect if for the next upteen years (athough this could be offset by increased revenues from the corporate boxes?)
If this correct both Widness and Ross are strictly telling the truth.
I am getting very bored of this, lots of bitchin and moaning and no proof for either side of the argument, why not just hang fire for a while and see what happens. If Moyes signs and spends £20m on new faces most of the posters in this thread will sound like nobbers, if he doesn?t sign and we spend £4m on journeymen then some more trusting posters will look like nobbers, thing is we don?t know what will happen. Patience my freinds something must start to happen soon.
It may be worth keeping your ears to the ground regarding the ESCLA ( London area Supporters Club ) AGM this coming Thursday, July 3.
It kicks off at 5.30pm and somehow they have managed to get one Bill Kenwright CBE as Guest Speaker. Of course, all they may see is a silhouette in a dark corner, but as he?s going to be there it is my fervent hope that some ESCLA members have the desire to ask him some uncomfortable questions regarding Kirkby. The reaction would be very interesting and revealing I think.
Bill, who used to travel with ESCLA himself in the early 80s, will probably be expecting a cosy little chat with pre-prepared propaganda, but you never know. I?d be there myself, but happen to be at a business meeting at that time and cannot go.
It?s been switched at short notice to a different venue to usual, but hopefully somebody will intelligently corner him rather than launch into a personal tirade which would give him the moral high ground. We?ll see.....
It kicks off at 5.30pm and somehow they have managed to get one Bill Kenwright CBE as Guest Speaker. Of course, all they may see is a silhouette in a dark corner, but as he?s going to be there it is my fervent hope that some ESCLA members have the desire to ask him some uncomfortable questions regarding Kirkby. The reaction would be very interesting and revealing I think.
Bill, who used to travel with ESCLA himself in the early 80s, will probably be expecting a cosy little chat with pre-prepared propaganda, but you never know. I?d be there myself, but happen to be at a business meeting at that time and cannot go.
It?s been switched at short notice to a different venue to usual, but hopefully somebody will intelligently corner him rather than launch into a personal tirade which would give him the moral high ground. We?ll see.....
If I go to a bank and ask for a loan to buy a car, the amount they will be willing to lend me will be based on my income. This is because the car will fall in value as soon as I buy it, so they need other assurances that they will get their money back. If my salary is 30 grand, they may be willing to only lend me 10 grand for the car.
If I go to the bank the next day and ask for a loan to buy a house, they may lend me 150 grand to buy the house, safe in the knowledge that although my income is the same, the house will (usually) increase in value and they can get their money back if needed. When I get the mortgage, I can not change my mind and use that money to buy a better car instead.
Exactly the same as the transfer kitty and the new stadium. Both could be financed initially by the same bank, but they can not be used for any purpose other than those in the terms of the loan.
If I go to the bank the next day and ask for a loan to buy a house, they may lend me 150 grand to buy the house, safe in the knowledge that although my income is the same, the house will (usually) increase in value and they can get their money back if needed. When I get the mortgage, I can not change my mind and use that money to buy a better car instead.
Exactly the same as the transfer kitty and the new stadium. Both could be financed initially by the same bank, but they can not be used for any purpose other than those in the terms of the loan.
Oh, Richard, dear Richard.
Whenever will people like you learn that there are only a handful of people who know the real truth and facts about what goes on inside the Goodison boardroom? And, luckily for everyone else, this select few are tippy-tapping away at their keyboards on here day in and day out.
And guess what? It?s not Bill or Keith or Ian or even David. However, these other people are not only Custodians of the Evertonian Truth they?re also experienced top-level Businessmen, Accountants, Town Planners and transport experts. At least they talk like they are anyway. And I?m just amazed they can take time out from their executive lifestyles to post on here so regularly. What really matters though is they continue keep us all in the loop and they are fighting the lies and the spin on our behalf. They really are super. Well done you chaps , really well done.
Whenever will people like you learn that there are only a handful of people who know the real truth and facts about what goes on inside the Goodison boardroom? And, luckily for everyone else, this select few are tippy-tapping away at their keyboards on here day in and day out.
And guess what? It?s not Bill or Keith or Ian or even David. However, these other people are not only Custodians of the Evertonian Truth they?re also experienced top-level Businessmen, Accountants, Town Planners and transport experts. At least they talk like they are anyway. And I?m just amazed they can take time out from their executive lifestyles to post on here so regularly. What really matters though is they continue keep us all in the loop and they are fighting the lies and the spin on our behalf. They really are super. Well done you chaps , really well done.
And just when is the Club going to nail the lie about the free world class stadium with fantastic transportaion options?
Fans are worrying because Davey has not signed his contract yet .....just a thought: would EFC be going to all the trouble of trying to employ Steve Round as Dave?s second in charge if Davey was no going to sign his contract? Surely if that scenario happned and he didn?t sign his contract and we had to find a new Manager, he would want to bring in his own second-in-command.
Personally, that tells me that Davey will sign.
Personally, that tells me that Davey will sign.
Kenwright and his incompetent henchmen lie through their teeth constantly.
The shit will hit the fan one day and I hope we can weed out every gullible idiot on this site who ever thought for a second that there could possibly be any other outcome.
The shit will hit the fan one day and I hope we can weed out every gullible idiot on this site who ever thought for a second that there could possibly be any other outcome.
There is a disaster coming that will make Peter Johnson?s reign seem like a glorious era and the saddest thing is only then will people realise that the David Moyes years have been wasted on the altar of Kenwright?s ego.
Calm down, calm down lads! Let the Glutenous greedy so-called top 4 do their business first. Then & only then will we be able to do ours! the top 4 have their targets, 1st choice, 2nd choice 3rd choice etc for every position i.e the shite’s 1st choice is Barry (15m - 18m) are Villa having a laugh & their 2nd choice will probably be Downing. So when they buy Barry, Downing becomes available to the likes of us, Spurs etc..
p.s Kirby my arse!
p.s Kirby my arse!
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