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Well today Manchester City, Newcastle and Pompey strengthened their squads, Tottenham and Liverpool have already... and even Bolton have spent a fortune. So, when do you think we will? Am I just panicking, or are we about to witness another wasted opportunity? We do start our pre-season training tomorrow after all.
I have looked at what we have lost and then think about how our transfer dealings tend to happen:
- linked with certain player
- make a bid after someone else has.
- haggle over how to pay the fee
- medical confusion
- finally sign the player three weeks later just before the season starts
This happens most pre-seasons, why can they not get players in so they can bed in? Do you think the Yak would of been a boo boy's favourite if he had a pre-season with us? The season we actually did get people in early we started the season like a house on fire.
I suppose no club wants to pay wages when the players are spread over the pages of Now magazines, lying on beaches with their WAGs, but we always leave it to the last minute. Just once, wouldn't it be nice for them to suprise us? I personally believe the usual will happen.
Paul Gladwell, Posted 02/07/2008 at 18:43:05
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Well I could live the dream and will for a moment put all the cynicism at the back of my mind. I predicted our transfer dealing last year and was 80% correct. I think we will try for Aimar, Fernandes, Beever and Suchy with Round coming in as No.2.
So two defender and 2 central midfielders. A winnger would be good but we have not any luck with those since Kanchelskis. £20 million for all the above maybe, not bad business.
So two defender and 2 central midfielders. A winnger would be good but we have not any luck with those since Kanchelskis. £20 million for all the above maybe, not bad business.
Let's be honest how long has it taken to get a second for Davey and true to form the haggling has started, As for players there is no way of knowing how far down the line we are with agents, clubs and players just have to sit back and wait.or read all the latest rumours where we are linked to every one from Arshavin to Barton.
Tony Waverleas: ? Never ceases to amaze me how some of our fans almost seem to wish for disappointment and failure just so?s they can go "Told you so".
Very very sad.
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I just cannot understand it Tony, We should know by know two things:
1. Moyes doesn?t go for has beens like Paul Gascoigne and David Ginola.
2. Moyes makes shrewd transfer deals like not even Arsne Wenger.
eg.
Tim Howard £4m
Phil Neville £4m
Yobo £4m
Lescott £5m
Baines £5m
Arteta £2m
Cahill £1.5m
Osman (youth)
Pienaar £2m
Johnson £8m
Yakubu £11m
TOTAL £46m
This is less than Sunderlands transfer budget.
Tottenham:
Gomez £14m
Woodgate £16m
Modric £16m
santos £8m
TOTAL £54m
Oh dear God... and Tottenham finished where?
Very very sad.
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I just cannot understand it Tony, We should know by know two things:
1. Moyes doesn?t go for has beens like Paul Gascoigne and David Ginola.
2. Moyes makes shrewd transfer deals like not even Arsne Wenger.
eg.
Tim Howard £4m
Phil Neville £4m
Yobo £4m
Lescott £5m
Baines £5m
Arteta £2m
Cahill £1.5m
Osman (youth)
Pienaar £2m
Johnson £8m
Yakubu £11m
TOTAL £46m
This is less than Sunderlands transfer budget.
Tottenham:
Gomez £14m
Woodgate £16m
Modric £16m
santos £8m
TOTAL £54m
Oh dear God... and Tottenham finished where?
Tony, it’s not same old moaning at all, I strongly believe we do have a chance to really push the teams above us, but to do that we have to prepare 100% as we cannot match them finance wise, so everything we can do must be done 100% and signing players a few days before the season starts is not going to help us bridge that gap, especially if we buy players from abroad who struggle to even speak our language, even Moyes has said these same words.
Paul, I think Tony called it right. People were bombarding this site, this time last year, with predictions of how we wouldn?t sign anyone other than that "journeyman" Jagielka. Fact is Moyes did the business & delivered 5th spot. Have a little faith FFS!
Charlie Norton - you were 80% correct. I think you?re talking 100% bollocks!
Charlie Norton - you were 80% correct. I think you?re talking 100% bollocks!
The thing I cannot understand is when it says that during the summer Moyes is monitoring a player.. What is there to monitor during the summer?.I would have thought all the watching/scouting would have been done months ago.. Moyes was quoted himself for saying that not only did we need to add more quality but quantity and numbers to our small squad and its difficult to see where the numbers side of sinig players are going to come from now and even quality wise its hard to see us getting the right additions in now. If we are still sat here having this conversation in a months time then I will be much more concerned though.
It is most likely though that Tottenham are going to lose their two best players - Gardner and Boateng! And Berbatov and Keane. Man City still have a lot of catching up on us to do and will probably lose their player of the season Dunne. Would you be happy spending 18 mil on some unknown? And Portsmouth seem to just buy up any old crap going - Nugent?
I am however concerned about the size of our squad. At the beginning of last season we all said our squad was too small and we’re now 4 players down on last season which by my reckoning means we need to buy about 8 players. I think Moyes will bring in 3.
I am however concerned about the size of our squad. At the beginning of last season we all said our squad was too small and we’re now 4 players down on last season which by my reckoning means we need to buy about 8 players. I think Moyes will bring in 3.
I do think we’ll get players in. The Transfer window is always different though for different clubs though. Some develop early whereas some come on towards the start of the season. I think ours this year will be in-between. I expect us to sign someone soon.
There have been rumours on other sites that Manuel Fernandes is close to signing. He?s supposedly still in Liverpool after being told he?s not wanted by Valencia. Whether it?s for a permanent deal or Loan I don?t know. Hopefully this is true and it gets us moving.
I’m not worrying yet.
There have been rumours on other sites that Manuel Fernandes is close to signing. He?s supposedly still in Liverpool after being told he?s not wanted by Valencia. Whether it?s for a permanent deal or Loan I don?t know. Hopefully this is true and it gets us moving.
I’m not worrying yet.
No-one’s doing a massive amount of business at the moment, and even those transfers that have happened have taken ages to complete. Look at the hassle Liverpool are having over Gareth Barry? Or how long it took City to finalise the Jo deal? There was never going to be much activity while the Euros were on. I’m sure Moyesie is on the case, the time to worry is if we haven’t signed anyine as the season is starting.
Yes you are impatient. Yes you are just panicking. Yes this topic is boring! IMWT
No your not being impatient,Because a couple of weeks ago there was a statement on EFC.com, that when David tells Wyness who he has targeted, "Wyness will go and try and get them to sign". Well I don't trust that man with anything where Everton are concerned. Maybe this is why David is stalling on the contract?
Oh Paul, just grow up and get real!
Reality is we have little money to spend so we have to be careful. Why blow it all on day 1. When we can wait, negotiate and get the players that will really make a difference.
Those stupid enough to believe the rags (which whom we have been linked with almost everyone, including my dog) and ignore the realities of life can get stressed out, but the rest of us who understand the game and the business can wait until the deal is right for the right player.
I’m not one for ’In Moyes we trust’ but I’m happy to back his judgement as he gets more right than wrong compared with others.
I would like to get players in early, but I’d much prefer to get the right player in late than buy a duffer on the first day.
Reality is we have little money to spend so we have to be careful. Why blow it all on day 1. When we can wait, negotiate and get the players that will really make a difference.
Those stupid enough to believe the rags (which whom we have been linked with almost everyone, including my dog) and ignore the realities of life can get stressed out, but the rest of us who understand the game and the business can wait until the deal is right for the right player.
I’m not one for ’In Moyes we trust’ but I’m happy to back his judgement as he gets more right than wrong compared with others.
I would like to get players in early, but I’d much prefer to get the right player in late than buy a duffer on the first day.
We’ll get these players that are virtually unknown in the sporting world (and FM world) whereby Moyes will play them in our system and come up trumps with a respectable 5th or 6th position come next May. The opponents won’t know what hit them and their fans totally baffled as to why Everton consistently place top6 taking ’their’ UEFA cup qualification from them.
Problem is, I’m just as baffled as me spuds mates. Can’t we just be proper and join the auction for Bentley? Moyes please be a good boy will ya?
Problem is, I’m just as baffled as me spuds mates. Can’t we just be proper and join the auction for Bentley? Moyes please be a good boy will ya?
Bentley ? Sorry Jason I think the guy has serious attitude problems - he’s a legend in his own mind !!!
Personally I would like us to sign Torsten Frings - a great defensive midfielder who would look even better when he hasn’t got to worry about covering for 2 slow central defenders.I think the Germans got the balance of their central defence wrong - one slow central defender ok but 2 !!! Anyway I know he is 31 but he has a few years left - 5 at least. And as the song says " Frings can only get better" !!!!!
I think Moyes will surprise us with a couple of his signings - by that I mean they will be players that most Evertonians may not have considered/even heard of !!! The point is - as Steve Williams states - Moyes has quite a sound record in these things. And as for monitoring players - by that I take Moyes to mean he is monitoring the situation re the players agents and the contracts etc.
I know that we tend to think we take a long time to sort out deals - but look how long Man City took to sort out the transfer of Jo. The Gareth Barry situation is also dragging on - it’s been about a month at least and Villa fans don’t kow whether he is staying or going.
Be patient - does it really matter when we sign players as long as we bring in good players - if it’s soon great - but if it’s in August that will be okay too. It’s not always the earliest signings that are the best.
Personally I would like us to sign Torsten Frings - a great defensive midfielder who would look even better when he hasn’t got to worry about covering for 2 slow central defenders.I think the Germans got the balance of their central defence wrong - one slow central defender ok but 2 !!! Anyway I know he is 31 but he has a few years left - 5 at least. And as the song says " Frings can only get better" !!!!!
I think Moyes will surprise us with a couple of his signings - by that I mean they will be players that most Evertonians may not have considered/even heard of !!! The point is - as Steve Williams states - Moyes has quite a sound record in these things. And as for monitoring players - by that I take Moyes to mean he is monitoring the situation re the players agents and the contracts etc.
I know that we tend to think we take a long time to sort out deals - but look how long Man City took to sort out the transfer of Jo. The Gareth Barry situation is also dragging on - it’s been about a month at least and Villa fans don’t kow whether he is staying or going.
Be patient - does it really matter when we sign players as long as we bring in good players - if it’s soon great - but if it’s in August that will be okay too. It’s not always the earliest signings that are the best.
I’m more worried about numbers than anything else. Moyes tends to pick the right players (AVM aside), but for a proper push at the top 4 we need a bigger squad.
I like the principle of younger players bulking out the squad too - Gosling, Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan. We just don’t seem to have any such options in the midfield.
I like the principle of younger players bulking out the squad too - Gosling, Rodwell, Anichebe, Vaughan. We just don’t seem to have any such options in the midfield.
I don?t expect too many household names to be coming in. More likely ?unknowns? who Moyes has hand-picked to come in on loan. No worries about the man?s ability to spot the talent but can?t see Wyness moving his fat arse to get players tied up much before the end of this month whilst they are still being paid by their present clubs.
According to our favourite lazy-arse encyclopedia, Bentley ’stats’ for 07-08 was 8 goals and 13 assists. In 06-07 it was 7 goals and 13 assists. That’s average 20 goals contribution from a self-contained legend. Proven prem player. Surely we have a better team than Blackburn. Yak could hit the 30 mark no sweat. If anything, we need more of his ’attitude’ at Everton.
Anichebe scores a few UEFA goals and some of us think he walks on water.
Anichebe scores a few UEFA goals and some of us think he walks on water.
RE: Charlie Norton. Charlie not to seem like a torn in a rosebush but which players did u predict we would sign last year and how long before we signed the guy did u make the prediction. Just asking. I reckon Fernandes must have been the one you didn’t predict
Jason - Bentley is a talented player, there’s no doubt about that.However it’s a team game and I doubt whether he is a great team player. Blackburn have done well - but it’s not just down to him. I wonder why Wenger let him leave Arsenal ?
Jason - some of us don’t think Victor walks on water - we just know a player with a lot of potential when we see him. We have two very talented young strikers in Vaughan and Anichebe - let’s give them a break eh ?
However we try to placate ourselves that it will be alright in the end, it is worrying that we seem to have disappeared off the face of the transfer earth.
Pre-season training starts next week and there isn’t a manager around who wouldn’t want his new guys on-board & mixing in as quickly as possible.
I think Moyes is doing a terrific job overall, and I have more time for Bill Kenwright than most people who post on here, but the club definitely lacks spunk and panache in a lot of areas (e.g. marketing & kit sales) that affect our income & therefore our ability to spend.
As for who? Bentley is the type of guy who calls out his own name during sex. Jo would have been excellent (so what happened there?). Arshavin is less likely by the day (but would be perfect). Eldemar would be excellent as the new LC with pace & strength, as would Frings.
We can’t be THAT good that we’re doing our business SO secretively that no-one knows. Almost every other club in the EPL is linked or on the verge of. It’s boring & dispiriting that we are nowhere to be seen. It looks increasingly like a case of too little too late. I personally believe the funds (or loans) are not in place to enable us to do anything. The silence is just too deafening.
Pre-season training starts next week and there isn’t a manager around who wouldn’t want his new guys on-board & mixing in as quickly as possible.
I think Moyes is doing a terrific job overall, and I have more time for Bill Kenwright than most people who post on here, but the club definitely lacks spunk and panache in a lot of areas (e.g. marketing & kit sales) that affect our income & therefore our ability to spend.
As for who? Bentley is the type of guy who calls out his own name during sex. Jo would have been excellent (so what happened there?). Arshavin is less likely by the day (but would be perfect). Eldemar would be excellent as the new LC with pace & strength, as would Frings.
We can’t be THAT good that we’re doing our business SO secretively that no-one knows. Almost every other club in the EPL is linked or on the verge of. It’s boring & dispiriting that we are nowhere to be seen. It looks increasingly like a case of too little too late. I personally believe the funds (or loans) are not in place to enable us to do anything. The silence is just too deafening.
Original Poster:
Yes, you *are* panicking. The window has been open two days.
We will finish above Man CIty, Newcastle and Pompey, probably Tottenham and possibly Liverpool.
These guys *must* spend big to catch up, in many cases it’s desperation.
Joe
PS Yak, a "boo boy’s favourite"??? WTF???
Yes, you *are* panicking. The window has been open two days.
We will finish above Man CIty, Newcastle and Pompey, probably Tottenham and possibly Liverpool.
These guys *must* spend big to catch up, in many cases it’s desperation.
Joe
PS Yak, a "boo boy’s favourite"??? WTF???
Alan Kirwin:
"Eldemar would be excellent as the new LC with pace & strength, as would Frings."
Do you mean Engelaar? If so.. yes thats true. Aimar would also be an excellent signing, finger’s crossed.. Moyes has shown he knows his stuff so hopefully he’ll deliver the goods!
"Eldemar would be excellent as the new LC with pace & strength, as would Frings."
Do you mean Engelaar? If so.. yes thats true. Aimar would also be an excellent signing, finger’s crossed.. Moyes has shown he knows his stuff so hopefully he’ll deliver the goods!
Michael Brien, I agree with your comments. This lack of activity on the transfer front is driving me up the wall!
You should know by now,Everton never do anything in a hurry-it costs money. Last minute signings because Bunter haggles over every penny,seven months to appoint an Irvine replacement,twelve years pontificating over a new stadium and on,and on,and on!
For the same reason all managers say ’The League table doesn’t lie’ (obviously, I’m not talking about Italian managers), I don’t think anyone can read Robbie Carew’s Everton-Spurs transfer comparison list and say "that’s nonsense".
Of course Moyes doesn’t get it right EVERY time but who does?
DEFINITELY not Cheslsea, Utd or Liverpool who despite their ’success’ (well..Chelsea and United’s) have bought many players, who were bought for reason’s obvious only to them.
Saha for instance must be baffled
United bought him for (can’t remember the figure) millions, probably pay him in excess of £50,000 a week and he gets the odd Carling cup game.
Remember when you knew the name of EVERY Liverpool player?
These days I haven’t heard of half of them.
On the sports news yesterday, I heard some feller left Liverpool (Tallec, Tallic?) and they said he’d played 19 times. and been there....FIVE YEARS!
Also, although I accept we DO need to strengthen, I think Moyes (rightly) doesn’t like to bring in a load of people, mindful of the fact we finished 4th with a very small squad.
(come to think of it, in the olden days, decades ago, when Liverpool used to win the League, they used to do so with 13 or 14 players).
Anyway I’m happy to let DM do his thing and am not in the least worried that he hasn’t rushed out and bought players, just coz he saw them on Youpube scoring crackers for some Bolivian 3rd division side.
After all, it didn’t get Sven anywhere.
Of course Moyes doesn’t get it right EVERY time but who does?
DEFINITELY not Cheslsea, Utd or Liverpool who despite their ’success’ (well..Chelsea and United’s) have bought many players, who were bought for reason’s obvious only to them.
Saha for instance must be baffled
United bought him for (can’t remember the figure) millions, probably pay him in excess of £50,000 a week and he gets the odd Carling cup game.
Remember when you knew the name of EVERY Liverpool player?
These days I haven’t heard of half of them.
On the sports news yesterday, I heard some feller left Liverpool (Tallec, Tallic?) and they said he’d played 19 times. and been there....FIVE YEARS!
Also, although I accept we DO need to strengthen, I think Moyes (rightly) doesn’t like to bring in a load of people, mindful of the fact we finished 4th with a very small squad.
(come to think of it, in the olden days, decades ago, when Liverpool used to win the League, they used to do so with 13 or 14 players).
Anyway I’m happy to let DM do his thing and am not in the least worried that he hasn’t rushed out and bought players, just coz he saw them on Youpube scoring crackers for some Bolivian 3rd division side.
After all, it didn’t get Sven anywhere.
I think he menas Elmander Vijay.
Elmander is not bad, but hardly worth spending too much on.
Elmander is not bad, but hardly worth spending too much on.
Moyes will sign Mehmet Aurellio, the Turkish defensive midfielder on a free bee within the next week so.
Joe I dont know what part of the ground you sit, but at the start of last season a large portion of our support were on the Yaks case big time and Jags never looked too hot too, although the position he was playing never helped, I know I am maybe impatient but I back my words that players should be brought in as early as pssible to bed in, not a few days before kick off and the performances of the two players I mentioned above after they had spent a few months bedding in proves that.
Paul, I’m in the Lower Gwladys and can tell you the abuse aimed at Yakubu from the morons around me was specifically racist (and still was even after he’d been slotting for fun but had the temerity to misplace the odd pass).
In this day and age.
At Goodison.
Still.
Jesus wept.
In this day and age.
At Goodison.
Still.
Jesus wept.
Jason - I am sure we would all like to see something happening on the transfer front - that’s the same for the majority of clubs though. There is still a lot of uncertainty and speculation e.g. Do Spurs fans know if Berbatov will still be there come the start of the season ? We haven’t had a Lampard rumour for a couple of days. Is Barry going to leave Villa ? That would be a massive blow to them - I doubt whether losing him was in Martin O’Neil’s plans. The point is all the speculation and rumour is par for the course at this time of the year. I don’t think there’s any need to worry at the moment - have faith in Moyes. He has a good track record record in transfer dealings.
Have faith Paul, and stop panicking!
Vijay: I did indeed mean Engelaar. Just happened to forget his name.
Hold on a moment, something coming through on the wire... It appears Everton are close to announcing the captures of Arshavin, Xavi and Senna for a combined £45m by virtue of their new sponsor, Carlsberg.
One way of stirring things up. Happy summer everyone.
Hold on a moment, something coming through on the wire... It appears Everton are close to announcing the captures of Arshavin, Xavi and Senna for a combined £45m by virtue of their new sponsor, Carlsberg.
One way of stirring things up. Happy summer everyone.
Reading your posts, I am up one post and down the next. Then a thought came to mind, last years squad is minus, CARSLEY, FADDY, and as far as we know up till now, MANNY. We have a VERY depleated suad to start the season unless something happens soon.F.F.S. Bill and your fat mate Tammy (Wyness) let us know what the hells going on!!!!
I hear we’re about to sign Marco (Mehmet) Aurelio from Fenerbahce on a free - he plays the holding role for Turkey in case you’re wondering and is Brazilian born. Good player, would be a great signing; he played really well for Turkey in the Euros recently.
Aurelio is nearly 31...bit dissapointing that we seemingly are not willing to spend a bit of money on what is arguably our most important position..
If this materialises then so much for the new era of ’quality not quantity’
If this materialises then so much for the new era of ’quality not quantity’
True Ciaran, but at least he’s on a free, and fits the bill with experience etc thats required for the holding role - how old is Makalele these days?
Somehow i doubt its the unwillingness to spend money but possibly the lack of it. No less frustrating though..
Am I missing something or did the transfer window only open on 1 July and it is now only 3rd!! Davie only returned to work yesterday so I am not too sure what he could have done by now. I think his record (bar an odd blip) over the last year or so on transfers has been pretty good -Yak, Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Lescott, Neville and Howard to name but a few. I for one have belief in his judgement and it is a little unfair to suggest that we as supporters can see things he cannot. Give hime time.
Darren Fletcher anyone......looking for first team opportunities I see.....
It will (might) be alarming on the first day of the season if you haven’t signed anyone by then.
Even then the only way that we will be able to know for sure that any signings are decent enough is by watching them play, isn’t it?
Even if we signed Jesus Christ himself there is no guarantee that he will work miracles is there?
No need to panic just yet; just after 5-10 games when everyone realises that we are fuckin shite...... AGAIN.
Only time will tell eh? Be Christmas soon anyway... time to be jolly and an excuse to be arseholed in public. So; don’t panic just yet.
Even then the only way that we will be able to know for sure that any signings are decent enough is by watching them play, isn’t it?
Even if we signed Jesus Christ himself there is no guarantee that he will work miracles is there?
No need to panic just yet; just after 5-10 games when everyone realises that we are fuckin shite...... AGAIN.
Only time will tell eh? Be Christmas soon anyway... time to be jolly and an excuse to be arseholed in public. So; don’t panic just yet.
Tony Waverleas, I am dismayed at what you have said. Please do something about it.
I sit in lower St End and never hear racist abuse.
Andy(s)
Thankfully I?m not talking about racial abuse en masse from those around me but sadly there are a significant number of our fans who still hold reprehensible views and who are not afraid to share them with others.
We?re all veteran season ticket holders in our spot and it?s usually the day-trippers who are the problem.
With specific regard to Yakubu?s early days at Goodison it wasn?t unusual to hear him being called lazy (ridiculous in ny view but you pays your money etc) but it was heart sinkingly depressing to hear a player, OUR player, called a BB (I?m sure you can work it out).
Like most people, I don?t wish to spend half-time counting if I?ve still got the same number of teeth I started the day with. So the only thing you can do with cretins like that is to pour a bucket of shite over them (and buckets of shite aren?t the easiest thing to find at Goodison, at least not since Claus Thomsen was shipped out).
Confront them? Done that. All that happens is you either get told to "Fuck Off" or you nearly give yourself a coronary arguing with them and miss half the match. Report it to the stewards? With all due respect I don?t think some of our stewards are capable of being left in charge of a deflated balloon. Sometimes it?s easier to just get an ulcer fretting about it all...
Thankfully I?m not talking about racial abuse en masse from those around me but sadly there are a significant number of our fans who still hold reprehensible views and who are not afraid to share them with others.
We?re all veteran season ticket holders in our spot and it?s usually the day-trippers who are the problem.
With specific regard to Yakubu?s early days at Goodison it wasn?t unusual to hear him being called lazy (ridiculous in ny view but you pays your money etc) but it was heart sinkingly depressing to hear a player, OUR player, called a BB (I?m sure you can work it out).
Like most people, I don?t wish to spend half-time counting if I?ve still got the same number of teeth I started the day with. So the only thing you can do with cretins like that is to pour a bucket of shite over them (and buckets of shite aren?t the easiest thing to find at Goodison, at least not since Claus Thomsen was shipped out).
Confront them? Done that. All that happens is you either get told to "Fuck Off" or you nearly give yourself a coronary arguing with them and miss half the match. Report it to the stewards? With all due respect I don?t think some of our stewards are capable of being left in charge of a deflated balloon. Sometimes it?s easier to just get an ulcer fretting about it all...
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This time last year this place was brimful of dire predictions of how we’d never finish 6th again because we’d been outspent by Villa and Porstmouth.
And to be fair the doom merchants were right because we finished 5th.
Never ceases to amaze me how some of our fans almost seem to wish for disappointment and failure just so’s they can go "Told you so".
Very very sad.