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Just how do you switch off?
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From day one, I have been opposed to the move to Kirkby. I guess my reasons are the same as those of most Evertonians who are proud of our City of Liverpool heritage and believe we should stay to build on it rather than consign it to the history books. But as we await to hear whether the whole moving process is to be derailed by Government Office, I have got round to pondering how I will ever be able to abandon the Club if my worst fears are realised and we do move into the Tescodrome?
Oh yes, I've said it: "You`ll never see me in Kirkby, it will be the end of a beautiful love affair." But whilst there may well be fifty ways to leave your lover, I`m far from sure I have the strength and resolve to make the break.
After all, Everton will have the same corporate management (uhh!), Davey will almost certainly still be at the team`s helm, and I guess most of my favourite players will still be plying their trade. The seat I`m allocated won`t require me to jump to right and left to get a decent view of the goalmouths and (hopefully) the pies will be warmed right through. So just why should I pull the plug as my heart tells me I should?
As a sad old bugger with 40 years of service to the cause, how can I possibly switch off?How can I fill all the space in my life that Everton presently occupies? How can I live without the addrenilin rush that I get from `just being there`?
Tell me, please ? I need help!
Dave Shelley, Posted 03/07/2008 at 08:52:56
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Why are pies warmer in Kirkby?
Without getting into the Kirkby debate I understand what you’re saying about not having matchdays in your life. A couple of mates of mines have stopped going over the past couple of years for various reasons (too much money in the game, shite refs, whinging players, shite management of the club, etc) and these are guys who’d been going for 20yrs+ home and away. Whilst I can understand their reasons I’m not sure I could do it myself.
Maybe I’m a right saddo, but I can’t imagine my weekend without the footy! The summer’s hard enough, but as long as the suns shining (ha!) it’s not so bad.
Regarding your comment about Davey almost certainly still being here in 2010...I’m not so confident! Until he signs his new contract there’s no guarantee’s he’ll even be here next summer, and if the board fail to back him financially this summer who could blame him?
Maybe I’m a right saddo, but I can’t imagine my weekend without the footy! The summer’s hard enough, but as long as the suns shining (ha!) it’s not so bad.
Regarding your comment about Davey almost certainly still being here in 2010...I’m not so confident! Until he signs his new contract there’s no guarantee’s he’ll even be here next summer, and if the board fail to back him financially this summer who could blame him?
Dave, I like your post because it sums up what we all want to do but this move seems to get in the way. I voted yes, but I completely understand why it?s not everybody?s cup of tea but what really winds me up is die hard fans that say they will stop going!!! I grew up next door to GP and my mum still lives in the family home there but I at present live in the South East. I still have my season ticket and a home game is a round trip of 510 miles!! But I don?t care because I want to see EFC and hear Z cars when they walk out, its what its all about and that cant be changed, we are just moving home like thousands of us do in our lifetime. I go mad that I do 510 miles yet some lazy gets won?t travel the 3.5 miles!! By all means protest as much as you want but when the builders move in its time to unite and just look at it as a new adventure. It?s not worth ?cutting your nose off to spite your face? as they say, if people feel so strongly about no going I don?t understand why they don?t withdraw their support now as a protest. Surly that would be making a statement to EFC?? Or maybe as I suspect they will all be driven by the blue force and go anyway!!
People shouldnt even be considering severing ties with Everton over this! Yes, its a massive decision in the clubs history but you cant just spit your dummy because you dont get your own way and refuse to go support them! That is the only thing which will make Everton crash and burn if we move, the fans turning their backs on the team! If this is the peoples club and we are one big family then you should stick it out, no matter what!
Fed up hearing shite like "spitting dummies out" "don’t need fans like you" etc etc the club have taken their stance and the fans will take theirs, the club don’t give season tickets out free or pay for you to get to and from the game. If you decide to go you decide to go if you decide not to then it’s a free choice tempered by whatever your own reasons are. Don’t try telling those that have chosen not to go they are traitors and similar those that will go traitors it’s all about choice and that has fuck all to do with anyone but those making that choice.
Dave either way you’d pack it in.
If you go to the new stadium if it’s built your get bored of the soleless retail park, with no atmosphere. Nothing that stands up and says, "hey this is everton".
Sounds like a friggin jolly.
but look on the bright side. the stadium will fall through anyway.
Whats that pen scratching sound i can hear? is that ian ross writing his pr excuses now???
If you go to the new stadium if it’s built your get bored of the soleless retail park, with no atmosphere. Nothing that stands up and says, "hey this is everton".
Sounds like a friggin jolly.
but look on the bright side. the stadium will fall through anyway.
Whats that pen scratching sound i can hear? is that ian ross writing his pr excuses now???
Dave a good post mate
I agree the debate is over, the defence and prosecution have put their case, now its out of our hands - lets be honest it always was
I say
If you still feel this is Everton, or even if you feel its marginally better than having no team at all , then you should go, give it a whirl, you’ll know soon enough whether its for you or not
Alan Willo
Even now you think its about distance, even now as we await out fate, you think its a "lazy thing"
After months of bitter debate, Your post more than anything else I have read in this whole sorry saga, proves one thing
Those who understand need no explination,
You will never understand, time to stop trying mate
I agree the debate is over, the defence and prosecution have put their case, now its out of our hands - lets be honest it always was
I say
If you still feel this is Everton, or even if you feel its marginally better than having no team at all , then you should go, give it a whirl, you’ll know soon enough whether its for you or not
Alan Willo
Even now you think its about distance, even now as we await out fate, you think its a "lazy thing"
After months of bitter debate, Your post more than anything else I have read in this whole sorry saga, proves one thing
Those who understand need no explination,
You will never understand, time to stop trying mate
Everton FC has a chairman and a board of Directors who have no intention of listening to its fanbase in anyway shape or form.
The football club is their tool to earn as much money as they can. End of story that’s it’s sole purpose for these people and that goes for "Toffee number 1" Bill Kenwright as well.
Certain fans need to get this into their head that EVERTON FC IS NOT THEIR FOOTBALL CLUB ANYMORE!!! It’s Bill Kenwright’s and his cronies.
The only way to shift the balance of power back in the fans favour is don’t give them your money and don’t go the match anymore. This is the only way these ignorant people get the picture. As long as fan’s are paying their money the board will assume there is not a problem. It’s not rocket science is it.
Kenwright and Wyness will never get another carrot out of me and if the move does go ahead in my eyes it won’t be the same club anymore and certainly not the one i fell in love with.
The way they have treated a loyal and diehard fanbase is totally disgusting and unforgivable.
The football club is their tool to earn as much money as they can. End of story that’s it’s sole purpose for these people and that goes for "Toffee number 1" Bill Kenwright as well.
Certain fans need to get this into their head that EVERTON FC IS NOT THEIR FOOTBALL CLUB ANYMORE!!! It’s Bill Kenwright’s and his cronies.
The only way to shift the balance of power back in the fans favour is don’t give them your money and don’t go the match anymore. This is the only way these ignorant people get the picture. As long as fan’s are paying their money the board will assume there is not a problem. It’s not rocket science is it.
Kenwright and Wyness will never get another carrot out of me and if the move does go ahead in my eyes it won’t be the same club anymore and certainly not the one i fell in love with.
The way they have treated a loyal and diehard fanbase is totally disgusting and unforgivable.
Bottom line is.
If we move it won’t be Everton anymore. We where the founders of football in this city and to move will be conceding defeat.
Not only to the kopites, but also to the city council and faceless beuracrats that want us gone so they can milk the proceeds of a one club city.
They can shove their overpaid mercenarys and cheque book trophys up there Kyhber.
As long as we are at Goodison we will be in their faces and a reminder to them that they are our bastard sons. A club born out of spite.
They will love it if we move out of the city and hand it to them on a plate.
Some things are more important than balance sheets.
If we move it won’t be Everton anymore. We where the founders of football in this city and to move will be conceding defeat.
Not only to the kopites, but also to the city council and faceless beuracrats that want us gone so they can milk the proceeds of a one club city.
They can shove their overpaid mercenarys and cheque book trophys up there Kyhber.
As long as we are at Goodison we will be in their faces and a reminder to them that they are our bastard sons. A club born out of spite.
They will love it if we move out of the city and hand it to them on a plate.
Some things are more important than balance sheets.
I think a lot of people are forgeting the 59-41% vote in FAVOUR of the move to Kirkby, nothing about the stadium, just purely the relocation itself! Also, theres an arguement for maybe stepping out of Liverpools shadow and quitting with the excuses, lets go make it on our own! If they build a massive stadium on stanley park and we stay at Goodison how it is then we will literally be stood beneath them!
Dan you wrote,
"If they build a massive stadium on stanley park and we stay at Goodison how it is then we will literally be stood beneath them! "
I may have misread so correct me if i am wrong but;
Is that your way of saying, "if we can compete with them in the imediate future then we should bugger off?"
Will Kirkby make us a force to be reckoned with, somehow i think not.
"If they build a massive stadium on stanley park and we stay at Goodison how it is then we will literally be stood beneath them! "
I may have misread so correct me if i am wrong but;
Is that your way of saying, "if we can compete with them in the imediate future then we should bugger off?"
Will Kirkby make us a force to be reckoned with, somehow i think not.
The bottom line is we are EVERTON FC, the first team in the City of Liverpool. It will be unacceptable to me to see the blues move to DK. Wyness hasn’t got a clue about our history and the passion of all the fans. But I more angry with BK - if he is lifelong blue ( and i don’t doubt it), what is he playing out. We are giving a gift to the other lot across the park.
I’ll say again, Alan Willo, if we relocate to Kirkby then i will not renew my season ticket and not step inside the new stadium.
As others have said that is my decision and no one else’s.
As we are all Evertons lets respect each others decisons and stop saying ’not a proper Evertonian’
I’ll say again, Alan Willo, if we relocate to Kirkby then i will not renew my season ticket and not step inside the new stadium.
As others have said that is my decision and no one else’s.
As we are all Evertons lets respect each others decisons and stop saying ’not a proper Evertonian’
The post of the week,Dave!
You’ve summed up how so many of us feel.Damed if you go,damned if you don’t.
So sad that a so-called Evertonian like Kenwright sees our precious club as a franchise to be hawked off to a site which suits the highest bidder>
You’ve summed up how so many of us feel.Damed if you go,damned if you don’t.
So sad that a so-called Evertonian like Kenwright sees our precious club as a franchise to be hawked off to a site which suits the highest bidder>
If you cant handle going to Kirkby then surely its your own choice and you have to face the consequences?
While I agree with you that Kirkby is a bad idea, all this stuff about ’how will I cope’ etc is quite frankly alarming from grown men. With respect, if you dont want to go, then simply don’t go - if you can get over the fact that the club has moved its ground a few miles then just go and watch the team there.
Its pretty insulting, not least to your self that you’re choosing not to go - if you love the club so much then why stop going just because its not on your doorstep anymore? Kirkby aint the moon Dave, it might not be what we want but its still only a few miles away.
I’ll also wager it’ll be a better ground that Goodison, even if it doesnt have the atmosphere or history, the facilities will be good.
(OK I’m trying to look on the brightside!)
You’re either in or you’re out, its pretty straightforward....
While I agree with you that Kirkby is a bad idea, all this stuff about ’how will I cope’ etc is quite frankly alarming from grown men. With respect, if you dont want to go, then simply don’t go - if you can get over the fact that the club has moved its ground a few miles then just go and watch the team there.
Its pretty insulting, not least to your self that you’re choosing not to go - if you love the club so much then why stop going just because its not on your doorstep anymore? Kirkby aint the moon Dave, it might not be what we want but its still only a few miles away.
I’ll also wager it’ll be a better ground that Goodison, even if it doesnt have the atmosphere or history, the facilities will be good.
(OK I’m trying to look on the brightside!)
You’re either in or you’re out, its pretty straightforward....
I’M OUT !
Always have been and always will be.
I’ts not the distance either.
So i don’t need to justify it, my reasons are pride and a feeling of privelage of supporting one of the founder members of the league.
Not money or glory, driven by the Sky generation.
Always have been and always will be.
I’ts not the distance either.
So i don’t need to justify it, my reasons are pride and a feeling of privelage of supporting one of the founder members of the league.
Not money or glory, driven by the Sky generation.
James marshall, its not the distance from GP to Kirkby that is the problem. I might be wrong but it’s probably a further distance to Speke which is still part of Liverpool and I would gladly travel there each matchday if it meant we stayed in the city boundaries.
It is the fact that we have been misled by the BK and KW and by moving to Kirky we are settling for 2nd best - not good enough!
I’M OUT!
It is the fact that we have been misled by the BK and KW and by moving to Kirky we are settling for 2nd best - not good enough!
I’M OUT!
I am getting a feeling that you may not go to Kirkby Dave, if we move....
Fair enough as Gavin says, everyone has a choice and no one should try and persuade them to think otherwise.
I will add Dave that you state, "my reasons are pride and a feeling of privelage of supporting one of the founder members of the league"
Are we no longer Everton FC then? If we move dows that mean we have to put 2011/12/13 whatever on our badge and remove the 1878?
Dave WIlson, again with the "Those who understand need no explination" line.?
Fair enough as Gavin says, everyone has a choice and no one should try and persuade them to think otherwise.
I will add Dave that you state, "my reasons are pride and a feeling of privelage of supporting one of the founder members of the league"
Are we no longer Everton FC then? If we move dows that mean we have to put 2011/12/13 whatever on our badge and remove the 1878?
Dave WIlson, again with the "Those who understand need no explination" line.?
Tony.
"If we move does that mean we have to put 2011/12/13 whatever on our badge and remove the 1878?"
Couldn’t have put it better myself Tony.
That sums up how i feel.
"If we move does that mean we have to put 2011/12/13 whatever on our badge and remove the 1878?"
Couldn’t have put it better myself Tony.
That sums up how i feel.
We’ll still be Everton though so what does it matter where the ground is? I dont subscribe to the privilege card either Dave - OK we’re one of the founder members of the league, but its not a privilege, anyone can support Everton if they want to!
Graham - I understand people feel mislead, but its all rather childish to say ’I wont go anymore’ because of it - this is an unfortunate position to be in, but to say people wont support Everton over it is, for want of a better term, pathetic.
No offence meant to anyone, I just dont think you’ve thought it through, and I seriously don’t think you actually believe it yourselves.
Please dont take my stance as a pop at any of you, it really isnt meant to be and while I think you’re totally wrong, I do respect your stance.
Graham - I understand people feel mislead, but its all rather childish to say ’I wont go anymore’ because of it - this is an unfortunate position to be in, but to say people wont support Everton over it is, for want of a better term, pathetic.
No offence meant to anyone, I just dont think you’ve thought it through, and I seriously don’t think you actually believe it yourselves.
Please dont take my stance as a pop at any of you, it really isnt meant to be and while I think you’re totally wrong, I do respect your stance.
James.
It’s not a privelage card mate, it’s our whole history, home and heritage for gods sake.
Seeing will be believing James if we move.
It’s not a privelage card mate, it’s our whole history, home and heritage for gods sake.
Seeing will be believing James if we move.
55 years a blue, 40 as a season ticket holder. If we move to kirkby that's my lot. Don't anyone accuse me of disloyalty to the cause. The one who is disloyal to the cause is Barrymore's mate Kenwright selling the soul of the club to big business.
In my large extended family and friends 2 are definitely going to Kirkby, 2 are undecided but 36 are definitely not going. As for Alan Willo I admire his loyalty coming from the south east coast to go to the match. But if this kirkby nonsense happens he would probably get to the match quicker than blues fans from the Wirral and North Wales due to the ill-thought out transport and traffic plans.
I was, up until 2 years ago, a home-and-away lue for 20 years... I got so fed up with Sky/4-5-1/ average players, Boards of bullshitters, that I thought, "Fuck it."
First season was really hard, but now I just pick and choose matches (usually when I get freebies).. I went to 8 games last season.
Everton no longer deserve my support... it's just a money making machine... Moyes, KW et all... shame on you..!!
So, in answer to your problem... give it up lad, it ain't as bad as you think it's gonna be!
First season was really hard, but now I just pick and choose matches (usually when I get freebies).. I went to 8 games last season.
Everton no longer deserve my support... it's just a money making machine... Moyes, KW et all... shame on you..!!
So, in answer to your problem... give it up lad, it ain't as bad as you think it's gonna be!
Dave Lynch - loved that post about the redshite and leaving the city and what it entails. "A club born out of spite" - brilliant mate. I couldn?t put any your post better myself.
Being a supporter in Belfast you?d think I wouldn?t care about the location of the new stadium, but I?m fully aware of our glorious history, it tears my insides to bits even thinking we?d leave the city to them rotten hateful bastards across Stanley Park.
History it seems means nothing to Kenwright and Wyness. What they are going to do to this club by moving to Kirkby with an awful Tescos carpark and lack of transport options is nothing short of a disgrace to the club?s history, badge and supporters.
I?m praying it gets called in and Goodison gets redeveloped instead, or even better Walton Hall Park with the Sainsbury?s supermarket nowhere near the stadium.
My God what did we miss out on re the Kings Dock. Kenwright should have resigned after that disaster. £35M in today?s money is nothing, how he lied and cocked that up is beyond me. He has to go, sooner the better. Hopefully after Kirkby goes belly up.
Being a supporter in Belfast you?d think I wouldn?t care about the location of the new stadium, but I?m fully aware of our glorious history, it tears my insides to bits even thinking we?d leave the city to them rotten hateful bastards across Stanley Park.
History it seems means nothing to Kenwright and Wyness. What they are going to do to this club by moving to Kirkby with an awful Tescos carpark and lack of transport options is nothing short of a disgrace to the club?s history, badge and supporters.
I?m praying it gets called in and Goodison gets redeveloped instead, or even better Walton Hall Park with the Sainsbury?s supermarket nowhere near the stadium.
My God what did we miss out on re the Kings Dock. Kenwright should have resigned after that disaster. £35M in today?s money is nothing, how he lied and cocked that up is beyond me. He has to go, sooner the better. Hopefully after Kirkby goes belly up.
Dave, its not our history, its our ground - our history will still exist if not our ground.
We’ve moved before remember.
We’ve moved before remember.
Come on James!
Our history is in that ground. We where when we moved last time, for want of a better word. Embryonic. Compared to what we are and have achieved to date.
James, justify it to yourself all you want. I honestly wish you all the luck and success in the world if we move and I hope you will be there to see it.
I won?t and I can live with that for the reasons I have stated.
That's my last word on it mate.
Thanks for the debate and taking time to read my posts. NSNO.
Our history is in that ground. We where when we moved last time, for want of a better word. Embryonic. Compared to what we are and have achieved to date.
James, justify it to yourself all you want. I honestly wish you all the luck and success in the world if we move and I hope you will be there to see it.
I won?t and I can live with that for the reasons I have stated.
That's my last word on it mate.
Thanks for the debate and taking time to read my posts. NSNO.
Some of you really make me feel ill.
Everton is beyond people and buildings. Everton is an idea, a life concept, a way of life.
Nobody owns it, it is beyond share capital and boards of directors.
They could play Z Cars any where in the world and the hairs on the back of my neck would stand on end.
I mind that we may go to Kirkby but mere location will never stop me following the boys in blue.
Jay Campbell et al - hang your heads in shame.
Everton is beyond people and buildings. Everton is an idea, a life concept, a way of life.
Nobody owns it, it is beyond share capital and boards of directors.
They could play Z Cars any where in the world and the hairs on the back of my neck would stand on end.
I mind that we may go to Kirkby but mere location will never stop me following the boys in blue.
Jay Campbell et al - hang your heads in shame.
Everton 07-08 goals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4gpt2TQpUU&feature=related
James. Yourself, other yes voters and pro-Kirky people seem to be missing the point completely. It amazes me how many times you will need to be told until it sinks in.
The move isn?t the best thing for EFC! It was sold to supporters on very misleading information (lies in other words!!). It won?t work!! You have been duped by the club and you can?t even see it.
Many of the anti-Kirkby supporters (such as myself) would not object to moving from GP if it was the right move to make. This obvioulsy isn?t.
Simple saying "it?s the only option we have" isn?t acceptable. There are other options and the club have even admitted this.
If you?re hell bent on moving from GP that?s fine but make sure it is to the right place and for the right reasons.
Kirkby will destroy EFC. I honestly think that.
I pray people will see sense or that the goverment saves us by calling in this fiasco and exposing it for what it is.
The move isn?t the best thing for EFC! It was sold to supporters on very misleading information (lies in other words!!). It won?t work!! You have been duped by the club and you can?t even see it.
Many of the anti-Kirkby supporters (such as myself) would not object to moving from GP if it was the right move to make. This obvioulsy isn?t.
Simple saying "it?s the only option we have" isn?t acceptable. There are other options and the club have even admitted this.
If you?re hell bent on moving from GP that?s fine but make sure it is to the right place and for the right reasons.
Kirkby will destroy EFC. I honestly think that.
I pray people will see sense or that the goverment saves us by calling in this fiasco and exposing it for what it is.
Steve Ashton the feelings mutual with you and Bill Kenwright.
My head is held high don?t you worry about that and I have given decades of dedication to Everton FC so I?ll sleep at sound at night.
No more if this move goes through coz it?s the sheer principle of it.
Fans like you are weak in my eyes just like our Chairman.
Tony Williams the badge should read "Kenwright?s Kirkby Blues" nothing else coz that?s what it is.
There is no Everton after this Kirkby move. EFC founded 1878 - died 2011. Betrayed by one of it?s own.
My head is held high don?t you worry about that and I have given decades of dedication to Everton FC so I?ll sleep at sound at night.
No more if this move goes through coz it?s the sheer principle of it.
Fans like you are weak in my eyes just like our Chairman.
Tony Williams the badge should read "Kenwright?s Kirkby Blues" nothing else coz that?s what it is.
There is no Everton after this Kirkby move. EFC founded 1878 - died 2011. Betrayed by one of it?s own.
When it first started getting bitter, I was adamant that I would not step foot in Kirkby, for all the obvious reasons. And of course I got the usual abuse: "You are not a true blue"... and was accused of not being prepared to travel a extra few miles. This despite going home and away for more years than I care to recall. I was annoyed at first then realised as well as honest fans both for and against there are a lot of morons(kopites) posting but after telling the wife that I was packing it in she laughed and said "you hate the close season so how are you going to manage" and she was right. In my heart I know I?m stupid but I cannot stay away. I will make my own little protest by not buying a season ticket but it's an empty gesture because there will be plenty of seats available for most games.
RoyPlease do not call your fellow Evertonians morons (or suggest they are kopites) on this website. Thanks you ? The Editor
James Marshall - dont you dare accuse me and others with the same opinion as me as ’being rather childish’ or ’pathetic’.
No-one has said that if we move to Kirkby we will stop supporting Everton - I for one will never stop supporting Everton but if we do go to Kirkby I will 100% not renew my season ticket.
This whole thing has been sold on lies, and goes to show the total distain Kenwright and Wyness have for us fans!
I think the way you seem to have accepted that it is okay to treat us fans in this way is ’pathetic’.
No-one has said that if we move to Kirkby we will stop supporting Everton - I for one will never stop supporting Everton but if we do go to Kirkby I will 100% not renew my season ticket.
This whole thing has been sold on lies, and goes to show the total distain Kenwright and Wyness have for us fans!
I think the way you seem to have accepted that it is okay to treat us fans in this way is ’pathetic’.
How any serious Evertonian can even consider packing up the club is beyond me. I reckon there will be no more than a few hundred abstainers but as Wyness has said there?s a whole new audience out there for the greatest club in the land! Can?t wait for the move to happen!
Iain - I?m not pro Kirkby mate, you?ve got the wrong end of the stick. I?m not promoting it as a good thing, I?m merely stating that Everton will exist and so will our history regardless of where the ground is.
Graham - I stand by my comments, I do find it childish for people to claim they won?t support the team anymore purely because they feel they?ve been mislead, and/or because they dont like where the new ground might be.
I would prefer us to stay at Goodison, or even move to Stanley Park, but I doubt either of those things will happen so I?m being realistic with the situation we find ourselves in, together as supporters with a common goal.
You state that ?No-one has said that if we move to Kirkby we will stop supporting Everton? but actually you?re quite wrong mate; a lot of people on here have said EXACTLY that, and its that fact which I find hard to swallow - as much as you find it hard to swallow the club relocating to Kirkby.
Graham - I stand by my comments, I do find it childish for people to claim they won?t support the team anymore purely because they feel they?ve been mislead, and/or because they dont like where the new ground might be.
I would prefer us to stay at Goodison, or even move to Stanley Park, but I doubt either of those things will happen so I?m being realistic with the situation we find ourselves in, together as supporters with a common goal.
You state that ?No-one has said that if we move to Kirkby we will stop supporting Everton? but actually you?re quite wrong mate; a lot of people on here have said EXACTLY that, and its that fact which I find hard to swallow - as much as you find it hard to swallow the club relocating to Kirkby.
Alan Willo, I?m originally from Liverpool, but also now live in the south east (Wokingham) and since moving down here I have missed 4 home games over the last 2 seasons. Before that I was a season ticket holder, for as long as I can remember. So, for me, the distance has never been a issue with Kirkby, it is just the wrong location. There is no better feeling than getting up on matchday morning, still getting excited as I did when I was a kid, pulling up by Goodison and getting goose pimples, getting a lump in my throat when the lads run out to Z-Cars. If we move to Kirkby, all that will be gone for me. The only emotions I feel now when I think of Kirkby is sadness, and the urge to puke.
Alan, Mal,
Ok, so let?s say that GP is half full of people that "aren?t real fans". Maybe they only go because GP is on their doorstep or is easily accesible for them.
So tell me what is going to happen when these people decide to stop going then?
We?ll have a half empty stadium that is losing money hand over fist, resulting in no money for the team, poor performance and eventually relegation probably.
EFC have only once achieved an average attendance of over 50,000. That was in 1962-63 when we won the league, and in a time with terraces, low ticket prices, success etc. Our average last year was 36,000 and we had a good season.
Can you please tell me how we are going to get 50,000 in a stadium that is miles away from the heart of our support and that no one can get to?
By the way we?re £60m in debt and we need to find another £78m. That?s without investing in the team.
I?m all ears!!
Ok, so let?s say that GP is half full of people that "aren?t real fans". Maybe they only go because GP is on their doorstep or is easily accesible for them.
So tell me what is going to happen when these people decide to stop going then?
We?ll have a half empty stadium that is losing money hand over fist, resulting in no money for the team, poor performance and eventually relegation probably.
EFC have only once achieved an average attendance of over 50,000. That was in 1962-63 when we won the league, and in a time with terraces, low ticket prices, success etc. Our average last year was 36,000 and we had a good season.
Can you please tell me how we are going to get 50,000 in a stadium that is miles away from the heart of our support and that no one can get to?
By the way we?re £60m in debt and we need to find another £78m. That?s without investing in the team.
I?m all ears!!
You seem to have either ignored me or chosen not to comment Iain, but for the record I am NOT a yes voter.
Thankyou.
Thankyou.
James, my apologies if I assumed you voted yes when you didn?t. Please don?t let it destroy your life.
With reference to the point you are making. It?s fine to say "all the REAL fans will go regardless" but the facts are that many fans won?t go and that will have a massive negative effect on the club. We don?t live in a football utopia where fans will go an watch their team no matter where they play. You need to get into the real world.
Look at my last post regarding attendances etc. Kirkby will be half-full, there is no doubt about it.
With reference to the point you are making. It?s fine to say "all the REAL fans will go regardless" but the facts are that many fans won?t go and that will have a massive negative effect on the club. We don?t live in a football utopia where fans will go an watch their team no matter where they play. You need to get into the real world.
Look at my last post regarding attendances etc. Kirkby will be half-full, there is no doubt about it.
I think it's all going to go tits up but if the worst does happen then I am out too.
It wont be my Everton anymore.
Everton are the 1st club of this city and it will be an embarassment and tragedy if we leave.
It wont be my Everton anymore.
Everton are the 1st club of this city and it will be an embarassment and tragedy if we leave.
Dave, regardless of if you attend games at the Tesco Dome or not, don't beat yourself up over it because it won't be the real Everton playing there. No mate, it will be the New Everton you will be watching.
The Everton you know now will be dead and buried forever and in its place will be the Tesco sponsored Knowsley based New Everton FC. It will be a bit like what happened to Wimbledon a few years back, only our board won't have the deceny to change the name of the team to fit its new location.
You see, Dave, if the board and a majority of our fans want to leave the city to the RS and scurry off like shithouse rats to a retail park in Kirkby, then why should they want or hope to cling on to the glorious past of the club? I mean what is the point in pretending that we are still the same team/club when it's quite obvious we are not.
The best one I heard this weekend from a Gobshite's mouth was.. "Hurry up and fuck off to Kirkby wiil ye, we need that land Goodison is on for our new car park." Just about says it all doesn't it?
The Everton you know now will be dead and buried forever and in its place will be the Tesco sponsored Knowsley based New Everton FC. It will be a bit like what happened to Wimbledon a few years back, only our board won't have the deceny to change the name of the team to fit its new location.
You see, Dave, if the board and a majority of our fans want to leave the city to the RS and scurry off like shithouse rats to a retail park in Kirkby, then why should they want or hope to cling on to the glorious past of the club? I mean what is the point in pretending that we are still the same team/club when it's quite obvious we are not.
The best one I heard this weekend from a Gobshite's mouth was.. "Hurry up and fuck off to Kirkby wiil ye, we need that land Goodison is on for our new car park." Just about says it all doesn't it?
Tony, you say..
"The Everton you know now will be dead and buried forever and in its place will be the Tesco sponsored Knowsley based New Everton"
This is EXACTLY how I see it, which is why I will also be packing in.
It might not be easy, but as the entire game (ie: Barwick/Sky/bent Fifa/no smoking/new fans/Big four etc) is now choc-full-o-pricks, it might not be as hard as you think.
My tip, save your money, put down a deposit on a little place abroad.
Bet BK, Tubby and Sir Tez have all got one!
"The Everton you know now will be dead and buried forever and in its place will be the Tesco sponsored Knowsley based New Everton"
This is EXACTLY how I see it, which is why I will also be packing in.
It might not be easy, but as the entire game (ie: Barwick/Sky/bent Fifa/no smoking/new fans/Big four etc) is now choc-full-o-pricks, it might not be as hard as you think.
My tip, save your money, put down a deposit on a little place abroad.
Bet BK, Tubby and Sir Tez have all got one!
Mal Keilly
?whole new audience out there?
get a grip and grow up.
?whole new audience out there?
get a grip and grow up.
Mal Kelly, you state..
"How any serious Evertonian can even consider packing up the club is beyond me. I reckon there will be no more than a few hundred abstainers but as Wyness has said there?s a whole new audience out there for the greatest club in the land! Can?t wait for the move to happen!"
First off all, cap doffed for the nerve to quote the man with a medicine ball for a head - that takes (no pun etc) guts
Anyway, I have a few questions.
In your first sentence you refer to "any serious Evertonian".
In your penultimate sentence you say "there’s a whole new audience out there for the greatest club in the land"
Do you consider these not-supporting-Everton-at-the-moment-supporters ’serious’ Evertonians?
If not, how long do you think it will take them to become serious?
Do you think they’re supporting other teams at the moment, but will swop their team for new Everton?
Do you think people who swop sides are ’serious’ abour their support?
Do you think they DON’T follow a team at the moment and are basically just sitting there waiting for a non-big four team to move reeeeeeeally close to their houses.
Where ARE their houses.
Have you ever thought before writing or do you alway close your eyes, hit the keys randomly and press send?
(and please don’t give me all that ’aggressive’ nonsense - there is NOTHING more aggressive, in my opinion, than someone trying to take you for a fool)
"How any serious Evertonian can even consider packing up the club is beyond me. I reckon there will be no more than a few hundred abstainers but as Wyness has said there?s a whole new audience out there for the greatest club in the land! Can?t wait for the move to happen!"
First off all, cap doffed for the nerve to quote the man with a medicine ball for a head - that takes (no pun etc) guts
Anyway, I have a few questions.
In your first sentence you refer to "any serious Evertonian".
In your penultimate sentence you say "there’s a whole new audience out there for the greatest club in the land"
Do you consider these not-supporting-Everton-at-the-moment-supporters ’serious’ Evertonians?
If not, how long do you think it will take them to become serious?
Do you think they’re supporting other teams at the moment, but will swop their team for new Everton?
Do you think people who swop sides are ’serious’ abour their support?
Do you think they DON’T follow a team at the moment and are basically just sitting there waiting for a non-big four team to move reeeeeeeally close to their houses.
Where ARE their houses.
Have you ever thought before writing or do you alway close your eyes, hit the keys randomly and press send?
(and please don’t give me all that ’aggressive’ nonsense - there is NOTHING more aggressive, in my opinion, than someone trying to take you for a fool)
I?m an unashamed YES voter and every visit to Goodison since the poll has endorsed my view that I was right.
I?m no historian but I suspect that our club has never, ever, played a League game in Everton so what the fuck difference does it make whether we play in Walton or Kirkby? The sentimental Liverpudlians who cling to to the view that the club will die if we move need to get a life. Everton will survive you, believe me!
I?m no historian but I suspect that our club has never, ever, played a League game in Everton so what the fuck difference does it make whether we play in Walton or Kirkby? The sentimental Liverpudlians who cling to to the view that the club will die if we move need to get a life. Everton will survive you, believe me!
You?ll be able to switch off because Kirkby will be the final nail in the rotten coffin of modern day football.
You?re whole match day experience will be totally removed from what you know, a characterless stadium full of corporate sponsorship and no atmosphere. It will be Moyes at the helm and will be most of the same players but players and managers come and go, but we?ll still be stuck out in Kirkby. My threat to not go anymore is more than an idle threat and as Tony Marsh said, it won?t be the real Everton playing.
You?re whole match day experience will be totally removed from what you know, a characterless stadium full of corporate sponsorship and no atmosphere. It will be Moyes at the helm and will be most of the same players but players and managers come and go, but we?ll still be stuck out in Kirkby. My threat to not go anymore is more than an idle threat and as Tony Marsh said, it won?t be the real Everton playing.
Tony.
I defo won?t be going to the Tesco dome.
As for beating myself up. It?s all I have at the moment, as i can?t get my hands on the other 2 bastards (no names needed).
If it happens then I know in my heart of hearts we will be dead as a footballing name and force within a couple of seasons.
I defo won?t be going to the Tesco dome.
As for beating myself up. It?s all I have at the moment, as i can?t get my hands on the other 2 bastards (no names needed).
If it happens then I know in my heart of hearts we will be dead as a footballing name and force within a couple of seasons.
Tony Williams
I wont get into the rights and wrongs of the debate , I promised myself I’m done with that
What Dave did in his article was attempt to envisage what things would be like in the aftermath, it was a cracking post and he spoke about his "should I / shouldnt I " Dilema
Alan Willo, Dan mckie, James Marshall, Steve Ashton, cant understand why some blues will never go to Kikrby - lets face it they’ve been told literally hundreds of times why - but they just dont get it, they dont understand
Dave Lynch, Tony Marsh, EJ and countless others, only have to say they are’nt going
They dont have to explain why to each other
Dave knows why Tony’s not going
Tony Knows why EJ isnt going
I know why the fucking three of them are not going
Those who understand need no explination
As for the badge ? I wouldnt be too sure of that mate
What right would a team that deserts this city have to wear - more to the point why would they want - a badge that is modelled on an iconic landmark in the heart of that City ?
Wimbledon promised that "our badge is sacred " but before you could say "concrete cow" they had the letters MKD all over it
Next time you move house Tony, dont expect to leave your best shirts in the Wardrobes of the house youv’e just left
You might find the fella who moves in will feel free to go for a bevy in them
I wont get into the rights and wrongs of the debate , I promised myself I’m done with that
What Dave did in his article was attempt to envisage what things would be like in the aftermath, it was a cracking post and he spoke about his "should I / shouldnt I " Dilema
Alan Willo, Dan mckie, James Marshall, Steve Ashton, cant understand why some blues will never go to Kikrby - lets face it they’ve been told literally hundreds of times why - but they just dont get it, they dont understand
Dave Lynch, Tony Marsh, EJ and countless others, only have to say they are’nt going
They dont have to explain why to each other
Dave knows why Tony’s not going
Tony Knows why EJ isnt going
I know why the fucking three of them are not going
Those who understand need no explination
As for the badge ? I wouldnt be too sure of that mate
What right would a team that deserts this city have to wear - more to the point why would they want - a badge that is modelled on an iconic landmark in the heart of that City ?
Wimbledon promised that "our badge is sacred " but before you could say "concrete cow" they had the letters MKD all over it
Next time you move house Tony, dont expect to leave your best shirts in the Wardrobes of the house youv’e just left
You might find the fella who moves in will feel free to go for a bevy in them
James Marshall
"We?ve moved before remember. "
No, James, I don?t remember. I?ve only been going 50 years.
"We?ve moved before remember. "
No, James, I don?t remember. I?ve only been going 50 years.
Mal Kelly
Just exacty where is this ’whole new audience’ you talk about?
Couple of hundred from Kirkby and maybe half a dozen from Melling? Beyond that ans I am seriously struggling to see where anyone new will come from.
Wake up will you - do you not realise you will not be able to park within two miles of DK and public transport will also mean a 2 mile walk (and a long queue going home) to a soul-less shopping centre where there are virtually no pubs - nowhere to gather with like minded souls to anticipate the game beforehand and explain why it didnt go the way you thought afterwards.
The match-day experience will be destroyed and never to return - just like the tens of thousands of fans who will no longer go to watch our beloved Blues. Enjpy your milk-shake and big mac cos thats all you are likely to get.
Make no mistake we will still suport our beloved blues, argue bitterly with red-shite, laugh and cry as our fortunes go up and down but we will not be going to the turnstiles every other week.
This ’whole new audience’ will, in my view, be less than a 1000 and come nowhere near replacing those who stop going.
Kirkby is Everton’s death warrant - we will not survive more than a few seasons there and believe me it gives no pleasure at all - in fact it breaks my royal blue heart.
Just exacty where is this ’whole new audience’ you talk about?
Couple of hundred from Kirkby and maybe half a dozen from Melling? Beyond that ans I am seriously struggling to see where anyone new will come from.
Wake up will you - do you not realise you will not be able to park within two miles of DK and public transport will also mean a 2 mile walk (and a long queue going home) to a soul-less shopping centre where there are virtually no pubs - nowhere to gather with like minded souls to anticipate the game beforehand and explain why it didnt go the way you thought afterwards.
The match-day experience will be destroyed and never to return - just like the tens of thousands of fans who will no longer go to watch our beloved Blues. Enjpy your milk-shake and big mac cos thats all you are likely to get.
Make no mistake we will still suport our beloved blues, argue bitterly with red-shite, laugh and cry as our fortunes go up and down but we will not be going to the turnstiles every other week.
This ’whole new audience’ will, in my view, be less than a 1000 and come nowhere near replacing those who stop going.
Kirkby is Everton’s death warrant - we will not survive more than a few seasons there and believe me it gives no pleasure at all - in fact it breaks my royal blue heart.
If we do go does that mean all those people on this post who have said they are not going will also stop posting on this site.
I don't think I can bear decades of sermonising or told you so?s. If you are going to give it up that's your choice but leave the rest of us to get on with it. And if by some miracle we end up in a Euro semi in Kirkby at some point don?t ask for a fuckin ticket.
I don't think I can bear decades of sermonising or told you so?s. If you are going to give it up that's your choice but leave the rest of us to get on with it. And if by some miracle we end up in a Euro semi in Kirkby at some point don?t ask for a fuckin ticket.
John
Why the fuck should I stop posting if I choose not to go to Kirkby?
I won?t care any less about the Blues than I do now, I will still love them, exeprience the joys and trublations of beign a blue, laugh and cry with fellow blues but I won?t be lied to and have my match-day ruined by two gob-shites who are only in it for the money.
Don?t you dare tell me that I will care any less for my team - who the fuck are you to imply that?
If you can?t bear decades of being made aware that you were wrong (your words not mine) then I would suggest it is you who needs to leave.
Why the fuck should I stop posting if I choose not to go to Kirkby?
I won?t care any less about the Blues than I do now, I will still love them, exeprience the joys and trublations of beign a blue, laugh and cry with fellow blues but I won?t be lied to and have my match-day ruined by two gob-shites who are only in it for the money.
Don?t you dare tell me that I will care any less for my team - who the fuck are you to imply that?
If you can?t bear decades of being made aware that you were wrong (your words not mine) then I would suggest it is you who needs to leave.
Well I can?t read and can?t write but that don?t really matter, I?m not going to Kirkby because Everton don?t really matter!!!
There you are boys, a little ditty for those who no longer support the club..you won?t be missed! Oh yeah...someone said they?d go to Speke if we?d moved there... funny that...people complain that as we?re moving 4/5 miles from our fanbase we won?t get enough fans to fill Kirkby, then how come moving 9/10 miles away from our fanbase to Speke we would fill the stadium?
There you are boys, a little ditty for those who no longer support the club..you won?t be missed! Oh yeah...someone said they?d go to Speke if we?d moved there... funny that...people complain that as we?re moving 4/5 miles from our fanbase we won?t get enough fans to fill Kirkby, then how come moving 9/10 miles away from our fanbase to Speke we would fill the stadium?
Steve Ashton I hold my head up high.
Fans like you are weak just like our Chairman.
Fans like you are weak just like our Chairman.
Mike
Would it honestly kill you to go to Kirkby just once to see what it was like and then if you still think its shite then fair enough?
Would it honestly kill you to go to Kirkby just once to see what it was like and then if you still think its shite then fair enough?
Tony the new badge should be "Kenwright’s Kirkby Blues" founded 2012
Everton FC founded 1878 died 2012. Betrayed by one of its own.
Everton FC founded 1878 died 2012. Betrayed by one of its own.
Alan Willo:
I drive up from Kent and as you know it can be a long journey if the cards of motorway fortune are against you.
Thankfully, at present you can park up near the ground and be indide in 10 minutes if you have to.
When you have driven 250 miles, been charged a tenner to park 2 miles from the Kirkby site, hung around for 20 minutes in the rain for a bus seat, spent another 20 minutes crawling through Tesco traffic and then pulled up outside the bland Kirkby bowl you might just realise that maybe it’s not ’ the most easily accessible stadium in the North West, possibly the whole of England’ as Wyness said.
If the penny doesn’t drop then, maybe it will, when having done the reverse journey after the match you arrive at your car cold and wet ( it’s never dry every match ) and then face a 250 mile drive home, but only when you have fought your way through all the other matchday and Tesco traffic.
Rubbish location, rubbish transport links, rubbish stadium design, countless Boardroom lies and you’ll probably find it half empty and the best players being sold a la Big Dunc after a while. And diesel will be £8 a gallon by then.
I think your armchair will seem a bit more attractive then.
I drive up from Kent and as you know it can be a long journey if the cards of motorway fortune are against you.
Thankfully, at present you can park up near the ground and be indide in 10 minutes if you have to.
When you have driven 250 miles, been charged a tenner to park 2 miles from the Kirkby site, hung around for 20 minutes in the rain for a bus seat, spent another 20 minutes crawling through Tesco traffic and then pulled up outside the bland Kirkby bowl you might just realise that maybe it’s not ’ the most easily accessible stadium in the North West, possibly the whole of England’ as Wyness said.
If the penny doesn’t drop then, maybe it will, when having done the reverse journey after the match you arrive at your car cold and wet ( it’s never dry every match ) and then face a 250 mile drive home, but only when you have fought your way through all the other matchday and Tesco traffic.
Rubbish location, rubbish transport links, rubbish stadium design, countless Boardroom lies and you’ll probably find it half empty and the best players being sold a la Big Dunc after a while. And diesel will be £8 a gallon by then.
I think your armchair will seem a bit more attractive then.
So we can assume quite a few will stop going,others like myself will go reluctantly but will not splash out on a season ticket anymore as most people only buy them to be sure of a decent seat,and this wonderful(stops to vomit)free stadium oh no its £78mill now,has no bad views so bang goes Bills preseason cash so we will have less cash to buy in the window ,unless the corporate boxs are preferred to city centre ones I’m glad that I’m getting long in the tooth because as others have said the advert years ago saying Accrington who? ,could quite easily become our slogan Everton who? I hope to god all us doubters are wrong,still if we are right at least we tried.
Iain - I think you’re confusing me with someone else mate, I’ve not mentioned anything about REAL fans - that was someone else.
None of this will destroy my life, there are many things more important than Everton Football Club I assure you!!
None of this will destroy my life, there are many things more important than Everton Football Club I assure you!!
Well Dave, you could go shopping with the missus at the Tesco’s next door to the stadium where you could hear the ’roar’ of the crowd in a half full stadium.
At least you’d be guaranteed a car parking space!
At least you’d be guaranteed a car parking space!
John Doran
I prob will give it a try but i honestly cannot see it being pleasant - I used to live in Melling and know the area well.
Under the proposed transport it will be a nightmare, one big nightmare and my fear is that it will not only allienate those who are saying now that they will not go but also those who do go.
After they have to walk a couple of miles and then wait for a couple of hours to get out with nowhere to meet their mates for a few pints I can see thousands stopping
There is no great untapped wanna-be-blue market out there who will suddenly descend on Kirkby to replace those who stop going as some dickheads here seem to think. It is a lose-lose of massive proportions.
And it gives me no pleasure at all to say that believe me
I prob will give it a try but i honestly cannot see it being pleasant - I used to live in Melling and know the area well.
Under the proposed transport it will be a nightmare, one big nightmare and my fear is that it will not only allienate those who are saying now that they will not go but also those who do go.
After they have to walk a couple of miles and then wait for a couple of hours to get out with nowhere to meet their mates for a few pints I can see thousands stopping
There is no great untapped wanna-be-blue market out there who will suddenly descend on Kirkby to replace those who stop going as some dickheads here seem to think. It is a lose-lose of massive proportions.
And it gives me no pleasure at all to say that believe me
look, i do understand the whole issue. This is only about location that’s final! If we had the same project in the middle of Walton park then this issue would be gone. What get me is why you all think GP is this great stadium and parking in L4 is so fantastic? Dont get me wrong i would take a re build tomorrow but as it stands now it is a shit hole!! Try as i did last year and take a 4 year old in the paddock, then see his face drop when you take him the loo! Its sub standard and once a great stadium. Funny how half the crowd will not go to kirkby yet I have never heard even a song or chant against it, seems we have the best well mannered fans in the country. Roll on next week when all this will be over either way! COYB
James,
I didn’t say you mentioned anything about "real fans" That’s why at the start of my post I put "Alan, Mal".
Just for the record !
I didn’t say you mentioned anything about "real fans" That’s why at the start of my post I put "Alan, Mal".
Just for the record !
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