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Johnson should stay

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If we sell Andy Johnson we only have one proven Premier League striker in Yakubu. Vaughan and Anichebe for all their promise have yet to cut it.

With McFadden gone and Johnson probably on his way, what the hell is going on? If the Yak gets injured were done for. If we get £10 million for Johnson we would have to spend all that minimum to get a player of a similar calibre and class so why sell? For all Johnson's faults I like him. He?s a great foil for Yakubu he?s a grinder and a workhorse. Who can forget when he destroyed Liverpool with his pace/power and never say die attitude?

Even if Moyes sells in order to fill his midfield with the likes Bentley, Fletcher and Lennon, this still leaves us with only one real striker.

Top 4? You're having a laugh!
Daniel Johnson, Newcastle upon Tyne     Posted 08/07/2008 at 11:29:12

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James Tennant
1   Posted 08/07/2008 at 10:41:03

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it looks as if Andy johnson will be a wigan player by the end of the week, the rumours that i usually ignore around where I live have now become reality. A reliable scource told me he would be gone and the same scource has said that we are to expect Louis Saha. I dont usually buy into this sort of thing but this one unfortunately is fact. Moyes was unable to keep hold of him.
Dan Knight
2   Posted 08/07/2008 at 11:35:24

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I have to say I am now getting extremely worried about the season ahead for Everton. I strongly believe that in order to build on last season, and repeat our recent success in the league, and to continue to compete with the likes of Spurs, Man City and Villa we need to strengthen our squad.

Based on what we had last season we still need to add a back up keeper, possibly a right back, the much advertised defensive midfielder (as Neville is certainly not the answer to this position) and at least two midfielders.

It is also of great concern to see the likes of AJ strongly linked with a move away. Now I know AJ is not the greatest player ever, but he works hard and gives us a different option. In my opinion Anichebe is not ready, Vaughan never seems to be fit, and the Yak needs someone to play with.

Why are we letting a player like AJ go, especially as we need players at the moment? I really hope Mr Moyes has 4 or 5 signings up his sleeve that he has managed to keep away from the press. Otherwise I really fear it could be along hard season.

Terry Smith
3   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:27:04

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Just seen on the Echo website that we are about to make bids for Darren Fletcher & Diego Milito...

Darren Fletcher will be a replacement for Carsley at £4M and Milito is supposed to be a replacement for Johnson. Is Fletcher the kind of quality and not quantity Moyes was talking about? And can he do the job we need to fill in for Carsley??? Plus Milito is a good striker but will he be good for Everton?

Jay Wilson
4   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:35:52

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We’re doomed!
Dan McKie
5   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:38:38

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Fletcher would be a good addition to the midfield and squad, but he is no replacement for Carsley, im not sure he would have the discipline for that role after years going forward at Man U! The Milito deal is suggested as a 12 month loan so wouldnt be too bad, he was very highly rated a season or 2 back, but he fell away when Zaragoza did!
Lee Penswick
6   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:47:15

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As far as im concerned if anyone is mad enough to pay £10 million for Johnson we should bite hands off. I know he runs about a millions miles a game (albeit none of them towards the opposing goal), but that is all he does. He is simply not good enough to be in a top five team.
Andy Ellams
7   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:50:19

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Milito can?t have fallen away that much. He scored 25 goals in a relegated team. He?s experieced, an international and proven goalscorer. If we can get him on a loan and use the Johnson money to strengthen the rest of the squad then it sounds like good business to me. Not sure what Fletcher can offer that Osman and Pienaar can?t, but again lots of experience at winning things.
Dominic Duerden
8   Posted 08/07/2008 at 14:58:12

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Johnson and Yakubu can’t play together so I think we should sell Johnson. Anichebe and Vaughan are both really good players and we have Kieran Agard , lets give him an opportunity.

If we can get 10 million for AJ then let him go. If not keep him, simple!
Erik Dols
9   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:00:38

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Milito? I’d personally carry him from Zaragoza to Kirk... Finch Farm. That would be a massive deal.
patty beesley
10   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:12:33

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Having just watched Deigo Milito on Y-tube he looks a bit of alright. Reckon he would be an assett
Ciarán McGlone
11   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:11:26

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Anybody who says losing AJ would be a loss clearly has vision problems...the answer is sitting in our team..cahill as an out and out striker..something i’ve wanted to see for a while...but then again that means putting another ’midfielder wanted’ sign in teh goodison window with the three already there...


But AJ a loss...not really.
Vinny Garstrokes
12   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:11:57

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I don’t agree with Lee or Dominic. AJ had a major confidence crisis after his european penalty nightmare but the man has integrity, heart and guts. All the requirements to be a success at EFC. Please stay AJ
Ste Johno
13   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:14:28

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Worrying ... although not the greatest goalscorer, AJ is a willing runner etc AND ... we surely need all the squad players we can get ?!? ... what with the DK fiasco, this smacks of no real money to spend on players ... i reckon we need 6 or 7 (midfielders especially!) ... like i said ... worrying!
Glen Anderson
14   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:29:39

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Fletcher is not a holding midfielder and I have never seen him ever make a tackle.

Milito would be a decent buy for that price if he could gel with Yakubu. I say he is worth a punt.

Johnson seemed a good buy at the time but I am increasingly of the belief that he will never truly hit peak goalscoring form for Moyes and if someone offers 10 million or more we should snap their hands off.

All said and done, would be nice business but we still need that quality holding midfielder.
Ben Brown
15   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:49:06

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If we sign Fletcher I will actually be sick.
Connor Rohrer
16   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:47:43

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Couldn’t say I’m that bothered about AJ. He’s an average player and if someone comes in with 10 million for him we should sell. Why reject that sort of money for a squad player? It doesn’t make sense to be honest. If Moyes is going to sell I’m sure he’ll have a replacement lined up.

I’m dissapointed with the Fletcher rumours.....very dissapointed to be honest. For one he’s not a holding midfielder and two he’s not actually that good. He’s decent but he doesn’t bring anything to the team that we don’t already have. We already have hard working, versatile players. He has height yes but he’s also lightweight.

I’d take him for 4 million but we won’t actually get him for that price. If Alex Ferguson can get 5.5 million for Richardson and 6 million for Smith then DF will cost around 7-8 million which is ridiculous.

Poor poor signing if it comes off. If he’s coming in as a squad player then fair enough but I don’t think he is. He’s supposedly our next quality midfielder which is a load of bollocks. We all know the Utd players we sign have "play if your fit" clauses in there contracts.
Ciarán McGlone
17   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:53:46

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Integrity, heart and guts

Please!

Neville has integrity, heart and guts...he?s still shít.

How about a new motto for prospective Evertonians... Integrity, skill and guts?
Danny Lizars
18   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:52:41

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We should keep AJ! It was mentioned earlier about his commitment and workrate which is a big plus. Yeah he didnt have the best of seasons last year but its not his fault that balls are hoofed up field and to the corner flags! with the right sort of service he will score goals. who else are we likely to get at £10million thats is as good?
Paul Chisholm
19   Posted 08/07/2008 at 15:46:15

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If Wigan are stupid enough to pay us £9.5 million for AJ, then we should bite their feckin hands off, right up to the elbows. I’ve said on more than one occasion, that AJ is lower premier league class at best, therefore he’d be well suited playing for the pie eaters. Add this plus a couple of million to the cash we got for McFadden, and perhaps we could put in a serious bid for someone like Huntalaar.
Billy Bold
20   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:10:35

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Why is my comment Bold?
Phil Hamer
21   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:13:27

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Insanity!! We should not sell AJ. The reason he has struggled has been due to the generally poor midfield play and lack of decent through-balls on the floor. If we acquire the correct midfielders with vision and passing ability, he will thrive. Moyes knows this, and I reckon he will keep him.
Paul OHanlon
22   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:12:21

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Stop stealing my thoughts Ciaran! Couldn’t agree with you more on either comment.

Cahill’s not a top centre mid IMO, in fact he’s pretty average when played deeper. But stick him up alongside the Yak and he comes alive. He never gives defenders a moments peace, wins arial battles, pops up in the right places and most importantly...finishes well.

Although if AJ’s sold I’d still like to see a replacement brought in as the jury’s still out on Vic and Vaughany.
Ciarán McGlone
23   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:26:03

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Is it the fault of ’generally poor midfield play’ that AJ has a shot like a dying kitten?

I think not...He’s not good enough for where I want our team to go..
Neal King
24   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:32:07

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Sorry, I don't agree about Cahill being an out-and-out striker; he's not good enough for that role. His strength is coming from midfield arriving late, similar to Lampard.

I also agree that he doesn't offer enough as a CM but he's still very useful when you have 4 midfielders around him.

Johnson for me is as previously stated mid-table standard. I would like to see someone similar to AJ but who can score more regularly. If Michael Owen could stay fit, he would be ideal. Also, I think Darren Bent is better than AJ, so I would be happy with either of those.

Mark Cassin
25   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:53:34

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Connor summed it all up perfectly.

Milito would be ace as back up he Yak with Cahill and the youngboys competing for the 2 positions. Loan deal would be ideal as he is 29.

Fletcher would be uninspiring to say the least.
Richard Harris
26   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:57:34

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If we get a good price for Andy Johnson then although his work rate would be missed, he hasn’t scored enough goals, isn’t a winger who can cross a ball and his first touch isn’t good enough to link up the play between the midfield and a striker. Like McFadden before, people will miss him when we are short on numbers rather than remembering that he doesn’t influence a game enough to play regularly. He just hasn’t been the same player since the diving accusations which is a shame but we have to move on....
Karl Saegaran
27   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:00:23

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Of all the doom and gloom that?s surrounding our beloved club, the one thing that?s really bugging me is that David Moyes hasn?t said a word or given any statement since coming back for pre-season. Scary!
Liam McHale
28   Posted 08/07/2008 at 16:52:19

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Christ almighty, FLETCHER!!!! has it got that bad? even united fans hate him!! the only reason he gets his 6-7 appearances a season are because Fergie likes him cos hes Scottish. he is NOT the answer

And if there is a striker to the leave the club, Anichebe should be packing his bags before AJ; Anichebe has had long enough to grow up on a football field, the constant shrugging of shoulders or moaning at a team mate if the ball isn't inch-perfect to his feet is a disgrace. He is so far behind Vaughan in devolpment, it's scary.

AJ is never going to score 20 goals a season but he could be a useful foil for the Yak next season and he's an option when Tim's not fit. His pace could be a vital weapon, the Yak scored goals last year through shear workrate and runs on AJ?s part... Bolton away springs to mind.

Chad Schofield
29   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:06:18

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"Finding a top class midfielder has long been the manager?s number one priority and Fletcher, who has made 172 appearances at Old Trafford since making his debut in a Champions League tie against Basel in March 2003, fits the bill."

Deal of the century if you ask me.



*cries*
Iain Latchford
30   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:04:27

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The question we should be asking is does Moyes WANT to sell AJ is he being told he HAS to in order to raise funds for other players.

If he has to sell then I think we’re in a very delicate situation. If Moyes hasn’t signed a contract by the time the "sack race"starts then I think he’ll be on his way.

Alan Rodgers
31   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:05:58

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I don’t see any big clubs coming in for Johnson , which rather gives the game away. He’s not quite good enough and £10m would be a good price.
Colin Smith
32   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:02:46

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Is Johnson jumping or is he being pushed? Just curious to know - Johnson is never going to be a world beater, pace & work rate can never fully compensate for an inconsistent 1st touch, but why should he pick Wigan if the stories are true?
Jimmy Mac
33   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:06:12

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Johnson showed his limitaions when he played for England even though out of position ,he just did not get in any of his games... BUT..are we likely to get anyone better at 10K..?? He must stay at least until we have a good replacement.. The inactivity is getting just abit scary & I still think DM may be on his way ...Told you before David Jones is in line.....
Roy Coyne
34   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:18:58

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Do we get discount on a loyalty card at Old Trafford? Fergie decides to get rid, and there we are on cue to take what ever shite they dispense with... Fletcher: as soon as his name is announced at Old Trafford even the prawn sarnie eaters groan. To say I'm disappointed is a understatement.
Iain Latchford
35   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:31:19

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McFadden is Scotland's best player and we sold him, so why then go an buy Fletcher???
David Oliver
36   Posted 08/07/2008 at 17:38:30

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United owe us 1.5 million as a result of the rooney contract and thier success last season, no one actually thinks we are going to get the money do they? They fucked us over with a "discount" on Neville in lieu of the Rooney money if the rumours are to be believed.

They will do us up like a Christmas turkey again this year but the difference will be we will have seen it coming.

Ferguson must still be pissing his pants.
Will Bruce
37   Posted 08/07/2008 at 18:34:23

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Carsley sold!, McFadden Sold!, Hibbert sidelined for months!, Andy Van Der Twat, at the side of the bar all season!, talk of Johnson being sold! Arteta wants out!!!! My God, the season is little more than a month away!!!!!!! a total shambles this club!
Tom Green
38   Posted 08/07/2008 at 18:45:24

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If we sign Fletcher I will start supporting Man U, better to support the first team than their reserve team.
Aidy Dews
39   Posted 08/07/2008 at 18:32:22

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If selling AJ to Wigan for £10 million means adding to are funds to bring in say 4 or 5 new signings then im all for it. I hope the rumour about Darren Fletcher isn't true tho, I just don't think he's nowhere near as good as what weve already got. I mean I didn't like the idea of the Huddlestone rumour before he signed his new contract with Spurs but I'd've prefered him to Fletcher! I can't help but think that if we did get Fletcher it would have something to do with the money owed due to the Rooney deal and that United would offer him on the cheap instead of giving us the cash, i.e. just like Phil Neville ? although he wasn't exactly cheap at £3.5 million!
Keiron Hardy
40   Posted 08/07/2008 at 19:33:03

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If Peter Crouch is worth £11million anf Gareth Barry worth £18million I think AJ should be worth at least £20million. The problem is trying to replace him for less than that. Milito has probably got other clubs interested in him and Man Utd won?t sell Fletcher. So it will leave EFC sweating over a replacement. I would only sell him after we have got somebody else in and so that means keeping hold until midnight August 31st knowing EFC.
Paul Rimmer
41   Posted 08/07/2008 at 19:23:05

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If AJ goes as looks likely he will be missed by the team as he stretches the opposition and takes the pressure off us by chasing lost causes. It’s likely he’s being sold to increase funds for other players. I’d be happy with Fletcher - he can tackle, has good energy levels and scores the odd goal. He’d work well in our midfield although isn’t a direct replacement for Carsley. Some of the comments above are too negative about both players who have the right attitude to play for our club.
Karl Gilboy
42   Posted 08/07/2008 at 19:55:30

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Milito wants to play in Italy, that's all folks.
Scott Jenner
43   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:00:25

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Yet Another Rumoured signing going by without conclusion. We must have been linked with over 50 players this summer and still not one signing. Are we really ever going to sign quality players like we have been linked with or do we expect Ebanks-Blake to be our top signing this year. I am starting to get really worried as each day goes by, and surley not much will happen whilst they are in Switzerland??
Tony Part
44   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:02:54

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I just hope that the same people who are saying AJ is hopeless and should go won't be the same ones who jump on Yakubu?s back next season when he won't chase lost causes into the corner flags like Johnson does. The simple thing is we will miss Johnson's pace and workrate badly and will be especially troubled for that away from home where last season AJ contributed to our fine away form with goals at West Ham, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Alkmar and the year before at Spurs. We will not have a striker who does that for us if AJ leaves and I think it could have complimented Yak next season even more because we know even now that Yak will not be the type of striker to do the dirty running and I doubt that, if we sign Milito, he would be either.

Sell AJ and there is no doubt we will miss him and let's not forget the double figures he has scored in the two seasons he has had here. Even though four were in Europe, they are still goals and those goals could have helped us to win a trophy but that's another story...

I just hope we won't look back in 12 months time and he has scored double figures for Wigan while Yak is probably going to be our only productive outlet for goals next season. We should be used to Everton taking risks selling players and not replacing them by now though and after we were promised it wouldn't come to having to sell before we can buy again, it is happening all over again and Kenwright and the board have again failed to deliver the goods.

Scott Jenner
45   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:15:51

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I forgot to Say..... BK, Please dont sell AJ, he is a top player and no one could replace him!!! I guarantee he will come back to haunt us if we let him go and prove all you doubters wrong who continue to get on his back and slag him off!!!
Jay Harris
46   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:06:27

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AJ is a good pro and good in the dressing room unfortunately he has not been as good on the pitch and at 10 million plus I would be tempted given our lack of cash especially if we can get Milito on loan although that looks unlikely.

As for Fletcher IMO he is a good championship MF and comes with an Old Trafford attitude (Cocky)so would not be a good addition.I would rather have Jason Koumas than Fletcher.

Still doesnt solve our MF enforcer position though and very bit of news out of GP recently is not good.
Joe McMahon
47   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:35:57

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We Cannot sell him, as we have a squad that is so small we will be fighting relegation again at this rate.
Joe McMahon
48   Posted 08/07/2008 at 20:40:17

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IF & IF we get plenty(??) of new additions for £10 mill defo. As someone has already pointed out, no team that finished in the top ten is after him, says it all.
Andre Rao
49   Posted 08/07/2008 at 21:07:17

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Believe me, Milito is good as our own Yak, he can play behind the target man and as a lone striker in DM 451, has bags of skills and scores for fun. I know him quite well cause I?m from Genoa and he played for that lot few years ago. In Italy, no one wants him right now and Genoa (his preferred option) are skint/shite and can?t compete with any other PL club linked with him. Despite being 29 might be worth a punt... he?s far better than AJ. However Milito or Fletcher, Arshavin or Destination Kirkby another disappointing pre season is shaping up... Onwards Evertonians!
Adrian Connick
50   Posted 08/07/2008 at 21:28:22

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Where has it all gone wrong? Moyes and the boys working wonders on the pitch and what about off the pitch? We have had several consistent seasons, where's the money?? Will we ever amount to anything!?! I am loyal to the bone but the chairman has to go, he is a no-brainer dim-witted short sighted man.......... and he is full of shit.

I really worry about this year, where's Moyes?s contract? I would probably sell AJ; he works hard but no goals and if we're trying to improve we need them, I really have bad feeling about this season, How long will Moyes put up with this?........ He deserves better, EVERTON deserve better, and we as hard working, honest fans deserve more. Kenwright to go........ surely someone on the board has a brain, and will force this clown out. Out with the clown!!!!!!!! COYB!!

David Jones
51   Posted 08/07/2008 at 21:37:42

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"A player of Johnson's calibre" you say, what calibre is that?? He?s a runner and that's it, his goal return is crap and his touch and technique is rubbish. Worst of all, though he?s weak of mind. Blame who you want but for whatever reason his head goes down too easily and he has no fight or self-belief. All I see from him now are token gesture runs, he doesn?t actually want the ball and he never looks like he believes he can score. We?d have to be certifiably insane to turn down that money for Andy Johnson... Marcus Bent would offer us as much easily and I?m not joking.
Colin Malone
52   Posted 08/07/2008 at 22:42:02

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West Ham were sniffing last season for AJ.

So a swap deal with Scott Parker would be a better option.
Jason Broome
53   Posted 08/07/2008 at 23:23:49

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Over the last 6 years Manchester United has failed to produce one world-class talent. So why on earth are we linked to a player who (if signed) will potentially become our worst midfielder.

Last season Fletcher was a stop-gap, the kind of player you play to rest your good ones. In his absence Man Utd would still have won the double.

So what do we expect Fletcher to do? How is he any better than Osman? He is tall yes but he is slow, has less ability than McFadden and is nowhere near as dangerous.

We may never hit fifth again. I thought we?d changed but again on the peripheral edge we are pissing away limited finances and opportunities.

Buying Fletcher is the sign of a team going backwards, and a manager getting desperate.

David Moyes.. Wake Up son. Your not Manchester United manager just yet. Sign Fernandes for £6 Million and let?s move on.

As for Johnson. It takes him 2 years to score as many goals as Militio does in one, Militio is only 2 years older, Andrew will bring in £10 million, Militio free for a year... it ain?t rocket science.
John Andrews
54   Posted 08/07/2008 at 23:45:26

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I really cannot believe what I am reading here. Johnson is streets ahead of Anichebe. Yes the same Anichebe who managed to score just the ONE league goal last season.
No it aint rocket science Jason but unfortunately Milito does not want to come here. He would prefer a move to the mighty Genoa.
Johnson runs his blood to water most games trying to make something/anything out the bloody great punts upfield by the likes of Jagielka.
Jagielka, England international, now there’s a thought...... Perhaps we should capitalise on him. I am sure there must be clubs queueing up to sign him. Irony !
If the ball is kept on the floor then Johnson will chase it all day. However as soon as the ball is in the air he has little or no chance against a bloody great centre back. As soon as our defenders get to grips with this then Johnson will come back with a vengeance !

He should definitely NOT be sold !!!!
Jimmy Rimmer
55   Posted 08/07/2008 at 23:49:40

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Milito looks like a great replacement if AJ is going to leave. The other chap being mentioned at the moment is Saha. I think this would be a great bit of business provided Saha is 100% fit. If we can stick another 20 goal a season striker in our squad, which he undoubtedly is (if fit), this can only be a good thing in my mind.

I like AJ, but I don’t love him. I certainly wouldn’t be gutted if he left so long as we get in a quality replacement. AJ simply doesn’t look like he’s got 20 goals in him. For all the good work he does, at the end of the day, his job is to stick the ball in the back of the net.

As for Fletcher, I have SERIOUS doubts, but you never know, if we got him for around 4million, in a years time there is a chance we could be hailing another shrewd move from Moyes. I live in hope.
Dan Parker
56   Posted 09/07/2008 at 00:32:59

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I like Johnson and I really hope he stays. I know he has his critics in terms of goalscoring but a lot of defences cannot deal with his pace which leaves the Yak to slot one home. Would be a big loss personally and I wish other clubs and the press would just piss off.
Alan Ross
57   Posted 09/07/2008 at 00:34:08

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It seems BK et al were right after all. DK acceptance or otherwise has nothing to do with our transfer buget and "is a completely seperate issue". Thats cos? there?s fuck all to spend anyway. What I also can?t understand is why Moysie has endorsed the move. I have serious doubts that we?ll even finish in the top 10 next season. Our decline around Feb of last season only illustrates the small squad we have. I hope I?m wrong, but I can?t see them pulling this one out of the fire.
Danny Broderick
58   Posted 09/07/2008 at 00:54:58

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Is Johnson good enough to get into any of the top 4 teams? The answer is a resounding NO - he?s going to Wigan FFS! He wouldn?t even be in our team if we employ our 1st choice front 2 of Cahill and Yak. At £10M, we have to bite their hand off - this also represents a profit, something we are not too good at doing when we buy and then sell a player.
We finished 5th last season, so the target for next season has to be 5th and above. If we can sell Johnson and add a loan striker and a good midfielder in the shape of Scott Parker/ Engelaar/ Senna, plus a left footed midfielder ( though I?ll only be disappointed if I ask for too much!), then I?ll be happy.
arthur jones
59   Posted 09/07/2008 at 05:41:18

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DM stated only a week ago that AJ is going nowhere and is part of his plans for the coming season , however I think AJ knows he isn’t going to be a ’ automatic ’ 1st choice and understandably he wants to be playing every week . A bit of an impasse because he signed a 5 year contract less than a year ago . AJ is a good player , quick , gives maximum effort and when he signed for us he was an improvement on Beats , he scored a few goals and was a handful for most defenses when he waas the target striker , but I think we’ve outgrown him , he’s getting played out of position when he does play and his goal return was not great last season plus the Yak demonstrated how a " real goalscorer " does the job and AJ could never match him , BUT if he goes , we will need to replace him , his natural succesors TC and Vaughany have had bad injury problems and IMO , Vic is not up to the job .
£12m is very tempting though and with Moyes’s record of ’ rabbits out of hats ’ he could very well pick up a 1 season loan , 2nd striker who won’t mind warming the bench now and then , which would leave him with a decent amount to bolster our much depleted midfield ......
Jason Lam
60   Posted 09/07/2008 at 05:54:53

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First it was Marcus Bent. Loads of pace but crap in front of goal. Let’s go for striker - Beattie. No wingers in the team and suddenly he was slow and developed man tits. Let’s go for pace - AJ. Loads of pace but crap in front of goal. Let’s go for a striker - Yakubu. No wingers in the...

Everton strikers under Moyes have an average 2 season tenure at Everton. You know what Moyes, how about going for Fernando Torres? Or C. Ronaldo? Moyes is so obsessed he has his garden gnomes place in a 4-5-1.

Leave our strikers alone! Sort out the fucking MIDFIELD!!
Matt Gibbs
61   Posted 09/07/2008 at 07:30:11

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I?ve got to be honest, I like AJ a lot; he?s lost some confidence, and when not taking penalties, his return isn?t great. However, I do think that he?s better than Vic, who towards the end of the season began to adopt the Yak?s shoulder-shrugging, but not the goals. And given Vaughan?s injury record, I?m not convinced that we should let him leave. He does offer a decent outlay when we?re pinned back.

More concerning, of course, is the thread here (and absolutely true, I think), that we?re having to sell players to supplement an already crap transfer fund. Surely we must have one of the smallest squads in the Premier League now? If not the smallest?

Selling AJ will get us £10 million or so? Add that to the paltry £12 million (?) that Moyes will have, and we?re left with £22 million, right? We needed 5 players, most of whom would be straight into the thick end of things, prior to even thinking about selling AJ. So we get rid of him, and then need 6. With £22 million. After the Euros and with British talent at a premium anyway, I?m still not entirely convinced that we?d be able to replace the players that we?ve lost.

I?ve never been the biggest fans of either Kenwright or Bully, but I?ve always been supportive of them; I thank the former for getting us away from the anti-Christ, but I am quickly coming to the conclusion that they both need to get out. Firstly, I?m fed up with our ?dirty linen? being aired in public, and secondly, I?m irritated by their apparent uselessness to turn us into a well-run club when things are going so well on the pitch and our returns aren?t really going to get any better (unless we get into the Champions League and stay in it).

How the hell can we continue like this? If forced to sell to supplement his own transfer budget, I wouldn?t blame Moyes for walking. I certainly wouldn?t be surprised; KW and BK are making his position untenable. Unless we can actually get a replacement for AJ, who actually wants to come here, is willing to fit into our wage structure (unlike Scott Parker, Steve Sidwell etc. etc.), and will cost us around 5-6 million, then we should keep him.
Tony Part
62   Posted 09/07/2008 at 08:13:33

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Its crazy that Everton are even thinking about letting a striker leave the club at this stage of the summer. Andy Johnson has more experience and you feel given a run of confidence again he will be scoring goals once again like he did in his first season here.

I am sorry to sound mean on Vic but at the moment he is nothing more than a good sub to have especially in Europe where clubs don't know so much about his strength. Vaughan cannot be classed as the answer yet as he has been injured for the last three years and is too young to burden the responsibility of getting fit and delivering the goods straight away at the highest level.

I think if we had a bigger squad then loaning him out for a month would help him gain his match practice better and quicker.. Selling AJ because we have told him that he will not be first choice doesnt seem right because I assume people think we will be playing 4-5-1 but I stop you there and ask you this. Where exactly are the five midfielders going to come from? Cahill wont be fit for the opening day or so by the looks of it and Carsely has gone, he was a regular last season. Fernandes has left and so too Gravesen.

The laugh of the year so far was the Echo last night... Top class midfielder? Darren Fletcher?? Ticks all the right boxes??? Come on I mean I have nothing against Fletch but thats insulting our intelligence levels a bit too far in my opinion... There isnt a single supporter or footballer for that matter who thinks Darren Fletcher is top class and to sum it up he was mentioned as a replacement for Carsley. Its just mickey taking now from the more and more un-reliable football source that is becoming a joke with the Echo.

I'm sorry but selling Johnson and buying Fletcher for £4 million is not what I had down as a successful summer of transfer dealings.. [Shakes head.]

Peter Lee
63   Posted 09/07/2008 at 09:27:03

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Not a big fan of Johnson I have to say. He is an honest player full of endeavour and with plenty of pace; however, he is not a great finisher nor is he blessed with guile. So under normal circumstances I would be happy enough to part ways with him for £10 milion as we should be able to find an equally good replacement for less.
However, the subtext of this whole transfer saga seems to be that we need these funds for transfer targets in other areas of the team and that is extremely worrying.
Arthur Jones
64   Posted 09/07/2008 at 10:14:29

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I think it?s accepted by most that BK cannot supply the finances neccesary for us to really have a realistic go at overtaking the top 4 and getting amongst the Utd, Chelsea cartel. With Spurs spending as if there?s a bottomless pit available to them, we are again going to have to rely on David Moyes and his scouts to bring in the players that will improve our team at a reasonable cost. Another loan signing like Pienaar would be great but now Keegan and Mark Hughes have cottoned on to Moyes?s astuteness in the market, cards have to be kept close to the chest.

There have been so many players linked to us this close season that have just gone off the radar or been signed by our opposition ... Jo? for £19m? I wonder if this is a deliberate smokescreen? A week or so ago Mikel was definitely going to Atletico!! Nobody believes that now.

As I?ve said in a previous post I like AJ but £12m would be too much to refuse . Moyesy Isn?t stupid , far from it, saying he wasn?t for sale has risen his fee from £7m to £12m. He promised us quality signings, I personally trust him to do that, if having to sacrifice AJ at a £3m profit is the means to do that then so be it. Getting a regular top 4 spot would increase our income by a vast amount, we?d then be a much more attractive prospect to potential investors.

Mike McIlroy
65   Posted 09/07/2008 at 11:01:23

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I too am getting very very concerned. OK he had a bad season but he feeds the Yak and we all know what that does. Also why the hell are we SELLING players of his calibre and keeping AVM!!! If we are serious about a decent top 6 finish and a Cup at the end of next season we cannot afford to be getting rid of players that certainly do a job for the club.
Peter Roberts
66   Posted 09/07/2008 at 11:39:40

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Mike,

We?re keeping VDM because nobody wants him. His contract runs out next year so he?s likely to be released then. It?s not for the sake of keeping him as an option. He?s not sellable because of his history.

My feeling is don?t panic as this was exactly the same situation last year and it took until August for the spending spree to begin when the TV money went into the bank.
Tony Finn
67   Posted 09/07/2008 at 11:55:10

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Everyones going bezerk again!

NO deals have been done - in or out.
NO ONE knows for sure just who Moyes wants in or out (including the Echo).
Let's wait till the season starts before people start gonig bananas.

A few years ago we sold the best prospect this countries produced for years. we replaced him with jorneyman Marcus Bent. We finished fourth.
Chris Fisher
68   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:03:50

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Wouldn't worry about it there's no truth in these rumours concerning AJ as usual. If he was leaving us by the end of the week there's no way hed be in Switzerland with the other lads would he! No, he'd be at home having a medical and all that. At first I thought it could be the blues saying he had gone when he hadn't to throw people off the scent but after seeing the pictures of him training with the other boys on the official site it just confirmed what I kinda knew from the start... HE AINT GOING NOWHERE!!
Steve Callaghan
69   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:14:23

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........and promptly went out of the Champions League qualifier and were then embarrassed in the Uefa Cup that season - again due to dire lack of investment.... Let?s hope they dont fuck this one up with inability to get the investment we so desperately need.
Lee Molton
70   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:30:54

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I agree with Tony, we need to wait and see what happens. The papers are only speculating to fill their pages, they don’t know the full facts. I have total faith in David Moyes, he has got Everton’s best interests at heart. The friendlies are still a week away so let’s see what this week brings and then roll on Cambridge. It will be great to have some footy back rather than all these doom and gloom stories.
Philip Jones
71   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:38:53

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I?m not opposed to losing AJ to a rival club, though I do hope someone outbids Wigan as I fear Heskey and AJ could form quite a formidable partnership and I think Steve Bruce knows this from Heskey?s recent recall into the England fold. This is of course my opinion, just as the last time I saw Fletcher play for Man U, I thought he had a terrific game in which I think he received the man of the match award and Alex Ferguson was singing his praises in the post match interview. Not a bad addition in my view.
Neil Humphrey
72   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:39:26

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Ho hum, another pre-season, the same predictable bollocks. ?Its a shambles!? ?How can we sell AJ?? ?We have no money? blah blah blah. Give it another week and people will be talking about relegation again. Or that Spurs have strengthened their squad and so we are in trouble (hmm heard similar things last season and look where they finished). Nothing Ive read in this thread is based on fact, of which there is only one at present - we haven't yet bought or sold ANYONE. Last season everyone was bitching and moaning about the lack of new transfers, how we have no money etc. and then Moyes pulls Yakubu out of the bag in August. The lesson? Wait until the 31 Aug deadline before you come on here to preach doom and gloom.
James Marshall
73   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:56:12

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Neil, we sold Carsley, Gravesen left, Fernandes left and so did Wessels.

So there.

I love transfer speculation.
Dave Whitwell
74   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:46:57

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Guys, the only official line I’ve seen from the club is Moyes stating that AJ is not for sale, has anyone seen anything to the contrary?

Also is AJ quoted anywhere as saying that he want’s to leave to get 1st team football?

Finally does anyone have any evidence that the Rooney fund has been part-paid by Neville/Howard? If memory serves me correctly we paid £3.5m for Neville which at the time seemed a fair price, also Howard was 3rd choice when we took him, although none of us know for how much.

The point being that I think its all chinese whispers, we are all just frustrated at the lack of anything concrete from the club.

A couple of things that do really bug me though:

1) Wyness always said we are in contact with agents all the time, well given that its several weeks since Moyes presumably gave his wanted list to Wyness could that not at least let us know, that say A list & B list have not come to fruition and that we are now on list C. They could tell us that without telling us who the players are!

2) For the 2nd season running it seems we are engrossed in activity re the stadium. Given that we have 2 transfer windows a year, surely it would make sense to deal with the Stadium and investment outside of the windows, enabling us to focus on just transfers during the windows.

Aaargggh
Tony Hawkins
75   Posted 09/07/2008 at 13:06:48

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Current rumour is Saha in - I would be extremely depressed and disillusioned if Moyes does sign Saha. I simply DO NOT rate the guy.
Gary Johnstone
76   Posted 09/07/2008 at 12:55:38

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Couldn't agree with you more, Neil. Everyone is believing what the papers say, even though they change their stories on a daily basis with regards to who DM is eyeing up.
Why can't everyone just keep their gob shut and wait and see what happens? There's still 7 weeks of the transfer window left for gods sake.
Moyes knows what the team needs in terms of new players and doesn't need everyone who calls themselves a blue chipping in with what they think. After all who's the professional here?
Have faith in our manager.
Ray Roche
77   Posted 09/07/2008 at 14:22:26

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Yep! Good plan. Let?s all have faith in our manager. Or, at least, while he?s still our manager. Given that Moyes has yet to sign his new contract (what takes so long? Putting a pen to paper if everything is fine?) I can?t see anything happening until he does. I would firmly believe that he would be leaving were it not for the signing of Round, who Moyes apparently sold Everton to. I can only imagine that the "record breaking amount of Sky money" has already been spent, and not on players. I seem to remember Moyes stating that he wants all signings in before pre-season so that they can all become acclimatised....
Tony Graham
78   Posted 09/07/2008 at 14:46:45

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Just read saha is coming if AJ goes... even though AJ runs about and can't score, at least he's on the pitch and not injured all the time. We've enough on carrying the waste of space AVDM!
Franny Porter
79   Posted 09/07/2008 at 14:50:01

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There is at least two pictures on the OS of Johnson training in Switzerland.

This proves (again) that these rumours are just fucking bullshit. So people like James Tennant, you probably need to start doubting your ’reliable source’.
Tom Dooley
80   Posted 09/07/2008 at 15:13:42

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Power?
Alan Codd
81   Posted 09/07/2008 at 15:24:26

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I have it from a Very reliable source that my cock is TWELVE inches long.
James Tennant
82   Posted 09/07/2008 at 15:25:14

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Tom Dooley, you don't have to believe what I say but my reliable scource is currently buliding Andrew Johnson's new house. He will be at Wigan by the end of the week...
Tom Dooley
83   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:01:53

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James, I didn’t question where he will be at the end of the week, only the original statement about Johson’s power. That said I think it’s unlikely he will have moved by the end of the week, bu stranger things have happened...
James Marshall
84   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:06:47

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Since when did people share their personal work/life plans with builders?!?! What a load of rubbish!
Alan Codd
85   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:09:14

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Sidwell is joining Villa for £5 million subject to a medical.
Is there anybody actually at our club who can do some business??
James Newcombe
86   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:38:03

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Forget Fletcher, I would be far more worried if we sold Johnson and signed Louis Saha, a crock of a striker if ever there was one (though a handful on his day, admittedly!). Johnson should stay, unless he wants a move, or the offer is too good to turn down.

I?m not overly convinced that Vic is going to be a top Premier League forward and Vaughan has been so unlucky with injuries i?m starting to think the same with him (I?d be more than happy to eat my words on those two)... The Yak wont be fit / available all season after all!

Guy Wilkinson
87   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:42:00

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AJ will go to Wigan and at £10m that?s very good business.

Saha is a headcase - I have MU mates who say he?s been declared fit and even named on teamsheets - but has had panic attacks Ronaldo (World Cup Final) style before kick-off:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/12/18/ufnsaha118.xml

We should avoid MU cast-offs like a shit sandwich at a tramps buffet
James Tennant
88   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:59:23

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I appologise, Tom Dooley, it wasnt your post I was replying to and no, you're right: players don't share personal details with builders but he is the designer of his new £6 million pound build. It's not gossip... it's just a matter of time. I'm gutted.
Davin Janicki
89   Posted 09/07/2008 at 17:55:30

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I feel as an American Blue, I have to chime in here, perhaps with only being a fan for the last 3 years I can offer a bit of a fresh perspective.

I have to say that I feel strongly that Andy Johnson should stay, there?s no doubt in my mind. He?s essential for what I see as contributing to a high amount of chemistry on this club.

Everton struggles sometimes with their level of quality, and inability to feed the strikers effectively, especially without Arteta and Cahill. This forces them to get by with defensive grinders like Lescott leading the way. Not only is Lescott brilliant in the box but he?s a quality team player. I mention this because this is what I see Andy?s role has been as well, he?s well liked, a fantastic workhorse and a sparkplug in many respects. He?s also somewhat selfless which are all essential qualities to a team with the right chemistry to play winning football.

Just look at Spurs versus Everton last year. The pieces of Tottenham where supposedly better on paper but Everton embarrassed them which perhaps even led Spurs to go on to struggle as badly as they did. Everton simply beat many teams last year not on sheer talent but on what they have as a team.

You just cannot seriously expect him to be replaced via the free agent pool. Someone else will not just step into what Everton has managed to produce over the last two seasons. It takes too long to get into the groove of this club, it's too tight knit, Just look at Peanuts, it took him half the season last year.

If Andy goes I fear that the chemistry will suffer and spread to the overall feel of the club. Which is what I believe often really carries this team through. I can?t help but feel as though a void will exist in the coming year that cannot be effectively filled, one that perhaps Everton will even be unable to recover from in order to duplicate or beat what they?ve accomplished with Andy the last 2 years.

Rob Heaton
90   Posted 09/07/2008 at 18:29:59

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From Rodwell?s Swiss diary:

One thing that stuck out for me today was the sharpness of AJ.

He is so quick and has such good technique that you appreciate even more when you watch it close up. In some of the possession retaining exercises involving 4-a-side teams AJ was invaluable because he used his pace and awareness to always be in space waiting for the ball.

Now since the chance is that one of the management team helps (cough) him write this, you wouldn?t expect him to be sold soon. Otherwise why big him up for something that other managers are most likely not to read.
Jason Lam
91   Posted 10/07/2008 at 03:09:25

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Those of you who think AJ being in Switzerland pre-season will definately not be sold only need to ask James Beattie who was with us to USA pre-season. I?m not saying AJ won?t be with us, I?m just stirring up shit like the rest of us as there?s fuck all activity at Everton.

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