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There are always two halfs of Everton fans in the summer from what I have seen observing this website in the post season period so far.
The first are people who are panicking about the lack of transfer activity thus far, and people seem to come up to different conclusions of the reasons why for no transfers, when no one really knows what is happening.
The second are people who are quite relaxed and trust Moyes and think that the signings will come.
To me, I'm in the second. It was exactly the same last year when we were linked players like Barton, Nugent, Richardson, and people were complaining then.. and we got Baines, Jagielka and Yakubu instead. Who would you prefer?! That just proves my point!
The money situation gets to me though. We managed to spend about £20 million last year... so how do we manage to have less money this year? We finished in a higher position, we did well, and better, in two cup competitions, so doesn't it make sense we should have more money?
Nobody really knows what is happening with money or transfers, but instead of coming up to conclusions, why not be a bit patient and just see what happens? Because no matter how many theories, suggestions, complaints we can come up with (even though it is sometimes entertaining), it will not change anything!!
Ben Jones, Posted 10/07/2008 at 14:37:23
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"The money situation gets to me though. We managed to spend about £20 million last year... so how do we manage to have less money this year?"
It’s straightforward economics mate!
We’re in lots of debt, and we don’t make enough money to clear it. Additionally we’re not a particularly attractive propostion for a "take over".
If you earned £200 a week and spent £300 to keep abreast of things you’d soon find out what it’s like being "Everton".
It’s straightforward economics mate!
We’re in lots of debt, and we don’t make enough money to clear it. Additionally we’re not a particularly attractive propostion for a "take over".
If you earned £200 a week and spent £300 to keep abreast of things you’d soon find out what it’s like being "Everton".
Quick one, Lyndon: Apart from guarenteing the yakubu money and bringing Sly Stallone to Goodison for the afternoon, what exactly has Robert Earl contrubuted to Everton since his arrival?
Don't mean to sound like Life of Brian either!!!!
I think the fact that Neville has been wheeled out speaks volumes, saying: ’I don?t think Everton fans should worry too much about us signing too many players because of the quality in the squad’.
I bet Man Utd and Chelsea fans are quaking at the sight of our small squad.
I bet Man Utd and Chelsea fans are quaking at the sight of our small squad.
Ben makes some good points.
Leading upto and during every transfer window the speculation for all clubs goes through the roof. Media rumours about who we are going to sign, who we will sell, how much money we have/do not have and what the Chairman and CEO are up to. (most tabloids cover every eventuality so that they can then claim they were right whatever happens)
I for one do not want the club to come out and say "We have £20/30/40 million to spend because then every player we go for the price is inflated (Chelsea good example and Newcastle have been in the same position in recent seasons)
I am as keen as the next fan to see quality players brought in to strengthen the squad for next season so we can kick on, but I think we should be a bit patient and believe that Moyes will do what is right for the club going forward, after all he has done pretty well up until now (i think we sometimes forget how bad we were before Moyes arrived)
Leading upto and during every transfer window the speculation for all clubs goes through the roof. Media rumours about who we are going to sign, who we will sell, how much money we have/do not have and what the Chairman and CEO are up to. (most tabloids cover every eventuality so that they can then claim they were right whatever happens)
I for one do not want the club to come out and say "We have £20/30/40 million to spend because then every player we go for the price is inflated (Chelsea good example and Newcastle have been in the same position in recent seasons)
I am as keen as the next fan to see quality players brought in to strengthen the squad for next season so we can kick on, but I think we should be a bit patient and believe that Moyes will do what is right for the club going forward, after all he has done pretty well up until now (i think we sometimes forget how bad we were before Moyes arrived)
I honestly wonder whether Moyes has any say in it Andy. I think Lyndon made some good points though. We always get told to be patient and we always get told decisions are being made for the good of the team, but signing players after the squad has already met up for pre-season training is fraught with difficulties. Yakubu was quite obvious rusty for a few weeks when he first signed. After the Manny will he - won?t he debacle we were hurried into signing and carrying Gravesen for an entire season. It just hamstrings any plans to hit the ground running and that?s not to mention players we?re supposedly interested in being snapped up left right and centre.
I still maintain the Ramsey bid was a sham though. It?s totally out of keeping with how transfer business has been carried out here in recent times. Call me a cynic, but I think it was just shameless propoganda and bluster - the small kid flexing his muscles in front of the big boys, who trample over him anyway. It was quite plain at the time that the board needed Moyes to commit to his future and even more bank loans to be sorted out before we could even contemplate dipping our toes in the transfer market.
I still maintain the Ramsey bid was a sham though. It?s totally out of keeping with how transfer business has been carried out here in recent times. Call me a cynic, but I think it was just shameless propoganda and bluster - the small kid flexing his muscles in front of the big boys, who trample over him anyway. It was quite plain at the time that the board needed Moyes to commit to his future and even more bank loans to be sorted out before we could even contemplate dipping our toes in the transfer market.
I might be naive but I never give a thought to club politics and money problems.I just turn up and cheer or moan according to the team?s display. Simple fool,maybe, but I?m more balanced than most of the phsycos on here!
Alan Codd: What exactly has Robert Earl contributed to Everton since his arrival?
Most of Earl?s work has been behind the scenes, Alan, but it?s clear from the Yakubu and Gosling deals (the latter was also only completed on his say-so) that as guarantor of the funds, he was key to the transfer kitty last season.
Many assume that his chief interest with regard to Everton was Kirkby and the fact that it was he not Wyness who called Malcolm Carter at Bestway to ask whether he (Carter) could offer him (Earl) the same at the Loop as was on offer in Knowsley (if that doesn't prove what a sham the "Exclusivity Agreement" was, then I don't what does) would seem to bear that out.
The message on the jungle drums these days seems to be that if Kirkby gets called in, he and Philip Green will move their financial interests away from Goodison leaving Kenwright to either sell up, find another investor not looking for overall control in return for more than just buying Earl?s shares, or continue in the current cycle of borrowing against future revenue.
Most of Earl?s work has been behind the scenes, Alan, but it?s clear from the Yakubu and Gosling deals (the latter was also only completed on his say-so) that as guarantor of the funds, he was key to the transfer kitty last season.
Many assume that his chief interest with regard to Everton was Kirkby and the fact that it was he not Wyness who called Malcolm Carter at Bestway to ask whether he (Carter) could offer him (Earl) the same at the Loop as was on offer in Knowsley (if that doesn't prove what a sham the "Exclusivity Agreement" was, then I don't what does) would seem to bear that out.
The message on the jungle drums these days seems to be that if Kirkby gets called in, he and Philip Green will move their financial interests away from Goodison leaving Kenwright to either sell up, find another investor not looking for overall control in return for more than just buying Earl?s shares, or continue in the current cycle of borrowing against future revenue.
What about the many thousands like myself who are starting not to give a fuck any more? I have never known so many apathetic Evertonians at any time during my life. Destination Kirkby and a lying shithouse of a chairman have started the rot and it will only get worse.<
I for one don't give a rats arse who we sell or buy while this dark cloud called the Tesco dome hangs over us.
I for one don't give a rats arse who we sell or buy while this dark cloud called the Tesco dome hangs over us.
And does anyone know when the decision is expected on DK????
I noticed that permisson has been given to build 1,400 house on the old garden festival site. This scheme was also called in by Hazel Blears.
Naturally Warren Bradley said it was "a victory for commom sense".
Hopefully he’s getting himself in her good books enough for her to call in the DK fiasco !!
Naturally Warren Bradley said it was "a victory for commom sense".
Hopefully he’s getting himself in her good books enough for her to call in the DK fiasco !!
I can understand your point Tony but if that's the case why are you still posting messages?
I agree; fuck all will change under Billy Bullshit and his fat henchmen but there's not a lot your average Evertonian can do to change the problem.
I am apoplectic not apathetic. It's so, so, so sad that we have to wait so long to buy a player. However, although I am panic-striken, I am always thus when EFC are concerned. Being an EFC supporter is like the Chinese water torture: drip... drip... drip of no news. Just a lot of ifs buts and maybes. I wish I could be apathetic. I see LFC spending money like nobody?s business, Totenham just get players by the bucket load. It's all about building slowly at EFC and when we do get to the top, we get shafted by Maggie Thatcher and LFC.
It’s so bloody obvious though that we don’t have any money. Why hasn’t Moyes signed his new contract?
Moyes has given the board a list of players and said buy me some of those and I’ll sign my contract. We’ve no money to buy anyone so he won’t sign. I’ll have a £50 wager with someone that Moyes has not signed his contract by the start of the season and we’ve only brought in Fernandes on loan.
Moyes has given the board a list of players and said buy me some of those and I’ll sign my contract. We’ve no money to buy anyone so he won’t sign. I’ll have a £50 wager with someone that Moyes has not signed his contract by the start of the season and we’ve only brought in Fernandes on loan.
The reason why so many are getting fed up is because we have seen this before, remember when we had got into the Champions League qualifiers, this site was awash with glum blues begging for signings most especially another forward and the club never produced and even our manager resorted to telling us the squad could cope and what happened? We wasted the biggest opportunity we have had to move to the next level and make some money.
Tony
Can't have that, I won't dispute the size of the cloud, but if this fucken nightmare becomes a reality, the next two seasons become our most important ever. I wont miss a single game, home or away and I want fireworks every week.
Can't have that, I won't dispute the size of the cloud, but if this fucken nightmare becomes a reality, the next two seasons become our most important ever. I wont miss a single game, home or away and I want fireworks every week.
When a loved one is given a couple of years to live, you cherish the time they?ve got left, when they?re gone, they?re gone forever....
Pull yourself together lad, What if it gets called in? We?ve got to have a team, besides, Everton will still be Everton for at least two years, the gobshites who run the club can't change that.
I must admit I have never been so depressed over Everton as I am now.To be honest I dont know if its the obvious lack of cash or Kirkby hanging over our heads probably a combination of the two But Bills bizarre behavior at the meeting has not helped
What we all seem to forget this year is the squad that got us to 5th is half gone.
Wessels ,Fernandes, Carsley, Stubbs, McFadden even Gravesen all played a part in last seasons achievement.
We are all pathetic; never mind advocating patience if this was the RS they would be knocking on the boardroom door with the full media spotlight and thats beside the Kirkby fiasco that we?re allowing to happen.
Contrary to some opinions BK has not supported Moyes he has undermined him to the point of no return.
Some says he has no money but surely it is the main role of a board of directors to ensure a business is funded properly.
Wessels ,Fernandes, Carsley, Stubbs, McFadden even Gravesen all played a part in last seasons achievement.
We are all pathetic; never mind advocating patience if this was the RS they would be knocking on the boardroom door with the full media spotlight and thats beside the Kirkby fiasco that we?re allowing to happen.
Contrary to some opinions BK has not supported Moyes he has undermined him to the point of no return.
Some says he has no money but surely it is the main role of a board of directors to ensure a business is funded properly.
Its not just about the doom and gloom bit, its anger really. As Lyndon says the DK issue is obviously affecting expenditure. If DM has got such a great offer on the table why hasn?t he signed it? Logic would tell you he wants to see the board / club commit to new players.
I hope its DM being shrewd as always about who he buys but I have a real feeling that the sale of Johnson will be the only way we get to bring in any players unless on loan or an unknown.
The anger is frustration about the spin and no substance that continues to come out of the club. Simple as that.
I hope its DM being shrewd as always about who he buys but I have a real feeling that the sale of Johnson will be the only way we get to bring in any players unless on loan or an unknown.
The anger is frustration about the spin and no substance that continues to come out of the club. Simple as that.
If Robert Earl is investing funds into EFC at Kenwright's behest, how is that undermining Moyes? Even the editors on this site agree that Earl is currently the moneyman. What I can?t fathoms out is... we require investment (something we all agree on); Kenwright has attracted investment from friendly people ultimately looking for a return on their investment (shock horror, how dare they) but at a price.... ie the move to Kirkby....
Tell me this... if friends of the club's directors are investing or giving ?best advice' (Terry Leahy) and they insist on the move to Kirkby, what makes you think we can attract investment from not so friendly investors and stay at Goodison Park?
Tommy
perhaps you could explain exactly what investment has gone into the club.
Under BK we have gone from £10M to £60M debt.
We have sold Rooney for £27M.
We have had record TV receipts.
We have mortgaged GP.
We have had KD, NTL, Fortress Sports Fund etc.
We have only given DM £4.5 million a year average for players.
?
Do you really think serious investors are attracted by the Tescodome? It was only another way to get large funds (£100 million plus) into the club so they could do a bit of creative accounting so Bill could hang on to his trainset. Now its all going tits up the panic button has been hit.
Phil Green is off to a better run club financially (Spurs) and BK has yet again stated he is looking for an investor...
perhaps you could explain exactly what investment has gone into the club.
Under BK we have gone from £10M to £60M debt.
We have sold Rooney for £27M.
We have had record TV receipts.
We have mortgaged GP.
We have had KD, NTL, Fortress Sports Fund etc.
We have only given DM £4.5 million a year average for players.
?
Do you really think serious investors are attracted by the Tescodome? It was only another way to get large funds (£100 million plus) into the club so they could do a bit of creative accounting so Bill could hang on to his trainset. Now its all going tits up the panic button has been hit.
Phil Green is off to a better run club financially (Spurs) and BK has yet again stated he is looking for an investor...
The end of last season clearly demonstrated our lack of numbers towards the tailend yet also what great potential this Everton is capable of. I felt (as many of us maybe) that it was a platform or cornerstone on which to build in the summer. The mood was optimistic and unfinished business.
Now it’s back to square one. Wasted opportunity and waste of time. This board has zero long-term strategy and planning with equally inept risk management. I feel the same way as Christine - really pissed off at what’s going on (i.e. fuck all). Fucking clowns we’ve got running this club.
Now it’s back to square one. Wasted opportunity and waste of time. This board has zero long-term strategy and planning with equally inept risk management. I feel the same way as Christine - really pissed off at what’s going on (i.e. fuck all). Fucking clowns we’ve got running this club.
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- a fear that we won't have the money to spend the way we need to this summer (and we need more players this time around than we eventually gained a year ago) because it doesn't look as though Robert Earl and co. are going to be guaranteeing any more loans ? if Kirkby gets the go-ahead, we're going to need to borrow to make it happen; if it gets called in, word is Earl is on his bike.
- The experience of last season ? Yakubu wasn't firing on all cylinders until a couple of months into the campaign (how much would he have benefited from bedding in earlier and how many more points would we have won?) and the Fernandes saga happened so close to deadline day that we ended up with a crock as a replacement who barely played 90 minutes all season.
Fans who watched McFadden leave in the window, not get replaced and then saw the attack undermined by injury were hoping we'd kick on this summer and finally add the key elements to the tremendous foundations laid by Moyes.Instead, it's more spin about Kirkby not affecting spending when it clearly is and the prospect of having to sell before we can buy.
Players may arrive before the deadline but with the team now traveling and playing friendlies, deals will take that much longer to complete and the new faces will more than likely arrive closer to the season (or, worse, after the big kick off) than any of us would like.
I, for one, understand the frustration.