Do you really believe everything you read in the rags? Some people just cant wait to have a go can they???

I can’t work out whether you are being serious with this post or not. Take a look at what other managers in the top 10 of this league are earning. Also work out what the club has realised financially in the last two seasons through two top 6 finishes and a run in the UEFA cup run and Carling Cup Semi-Final. Finally, look at the success achieved by other high profile managers on similar wages (Eriksson and Allardyce come to mind) at other better resourced clubs like Man CIty and Newcastle. Then tell me if £3m a year is being greedy. Its called free-market economics. If you can deliver better than your peers, you should be paid the same or more (except in Communist economies). Good managers are worth alot of money in the EPL. It is a fact of life. Get used to it.

As for demanding more from the manager, I fail to see what more any manager can deliver above a top 5 finish with a limited transfer budget. So the Chairman DOES need to come up with a transfer budget even if the manager is rewarded in line with his peers.

Although I appreciate this is almost certainly a post specifically designed to cause controversy and provoke extreme reaction, if any of the above even slightly reflects your genuine views, can I retort in equally frank kind.

Firstly it’s a newspaper story, in the News of the World. Now you might not believe this, but actually not everything written in newspapers is actually true. I know, shocking isn’t it! The Screws has a particularly talent for ’imaginative reporting’ especially with regards to figures and football, so you can take the story and the figure with a pinch of salt and if there is an element of truth then it probably means halving the numbers.


Secondly, there’s this thing that happens when people try to sort out contracts, called negotiation. What you do you see is you ask for more than you want or think you’ll get on the understanding that the other party will almost ALWAYS haggle you down. So perhaps £3M is what he’s asking for, but that he’d settle for less.

Thirdly, even in the relatively unlikely case that the case above is true, would a figure in that region really be so unreasonable considering Moyes performance both on the field and in the transfer market?
He’s being charged with breaking into the top 7 and then the top 4 with a fraction of the budget that other clubs have and he’s done a pretty good job of it too in recent years (4, 5 and 6th place finishes, a couple of good cup runs, etc) and even, dare I say it, even playing some pretty good football at times, so why shouldn’t he be up there with the top earners? According to a Times piece last year Jose was on £5.2m a year, Alex Ferguson £3.6m a year and Rafa Benitez, Arsene Wenger, Steve McClaren and Sam Allardyce all on £2.5-3M. The numbers can only have increased in the interim (with extra Sky dosh),
Ramos is apparently on £4.5-5M a year at Spurs, Hughes is on between £2-3M at Man City and I’d guess that O’Neill and Redknapp are on decent whacks too. Sure you can argue that these salaries are in reality as massively overinflated as the value of a one-bed flat in Chelsea, but until the crash comes to football, that’s the going rate my friend. As Moyes is being charged with competing with these teams (and in all but four cases has succeeded in beating them) then surely it’s only fair for him to expect a similar market rate salary?

Ultimately, against the backdrop of bungled stadia, stupid merchandising and general hapless mismanagement that seems to be the Everton-boardroom-way, I think it’s hard to argue that Moyes represents anything other than a shining light of professionalism and an example of the way things should be done. He’s not perfect of course and has his occasional idiosyncracies (no more Neville in midfield please Davey!), but to my mind he is arguably the best thing to happen to this club for bloody years. £3M a year to keep us in Europe, having a go at the top four and enjoying a few cup runs? In this market, that’s a steal!
Now let’s stop arguing, get the ginger bugger signed up and let him buy some bloody midfielders so we can have another crack at fourth! COYB!

If the figure is £3M a year, it makes Moyes the fourth highest paid manager in the Premier. Not unreasonable, therefore, to expect him to get us a fourth place finish. As the writer says, he obviously has no fears about lack of cash for purchases!

It has been common knowledge that Moyes was getting a large and also deserved rise, and that part of the deal was sorted weeks ago so perhaps he isn?t the greedy B you think. Maybe it's his ambition that's the problem.

IF Moyes was such a money grabber as stated before WHY would he donate the money from the Rooney libel win to the Former Everton Players' charity? Don't believe all you read in the paper.... unless it says we are signing Riquelme :)

This is only my opinion, but would anyone else be surprised if DM told BK to stuff his new contract, and jumped off to the newly vacant assistant post at Manure? I suppose the fact that Shrek is there might make it a non-starter, but you never know!

The Rooney pay-out was buttons and Moyes always said he didn?t sue for the money but the principle. I don?t think he?s likely to go back to being a number 2 on about a third of the dosh, Tom, do you? I just hope that he earns his bread and gets us into the top four although Bill must play his part!

Sean -- fair point mate, but I think DM may look at the bigger picture. ie, what he will inherit when Fergie finally retires. Look at the spending power he will have, not to mention the massive pay rise he is seemingly seeking.

Davey can?t really lose, can he? He knows we think the world of him and that if he messes up we shall all blame Kenwright however much he puts in. But £3M is only about £60k a week ? how can he manage on that what with the price of groceries and fuel these days?

I wouldn’t wipe my arse with the NOTW, never mind read it.... and I certainly wouldn’t believe anything I read in it.

No doubt, after I’ve said that, it’ll now be true.

Bugger

I don?t blame Moyes for getting all he can but we?re the mugs, aren?t we? It takes most of us about two YEARS to earn what he gets in a WEEK and then we pay nearly a grand a season towards it! I just hope he delivers big time else he?ll get no sympathy from me.

The man’s performance has sheilded the shit that hides beneath from the idiots who run our beloved club and deserves his money, do you think Billybullshitter would still be at the helm if it was not for Moyes and the steady progress he has made.

Interesting to see how many supporters think the sun shines out of Moyes? arse. Three defeats at the beginning of the season and the same people will want him sacked.
That?s football!

My information from a usually reliable press source is that Davey will sign his contract at the end of this month and will have £10M to spend as well as ALL the money he can get for AJ.
Expect signings to be around end of window rather than beginning of season due to cashflow considerations.
IMWT!

What the fuck are you reading the News of the World for... you fucking think!!

Lifted these off a Man Utd website, don’t know how accurate they are, but where would you put Moyes on the ladder....?:

Arsene Wenger (Arsenal) £4.5m
Kevin Keegan (Newcastle) £4m
Alex Ferguson (Man Utd) £3m
Harry Redknapp (Portsmouth) £3m
Mark Hughes (Man City) £3m
Roy Keane (Sunderland) £3m
Rafael Benitez (Liverpool) £2.5m
David Moyes (Everton) £2.5m
Alan Curbishley (West Ham) £2m
Alex McLeish (Birmingham) £1.6m
Steve Bruce (Wigan) £1.6m)
Paul Jewell (Derby) £1m
Steve Coppell (Reading) £1.5m

Serie A

Jose Mourinho (Inter Milan) £7m
Carlo Ancelotti (AC Milan) £3.6m
Luciano Spalletti (Roma) £1.6m
Cesare Prandelli (Fiorentina) £1.2m
Claudio Ranieri (Juventus) £1.2m
Walter Novellino (Torino) £800,000
Stefano Colantuono (Palermo) £720,000
Edy Reja (Napoli) £560,000
Walter Mazzarri (Sampdoria) £480,000
Delio Rossi (Lazio) £440,000
Marco Giampaolo (Cagliari) £400,000
Pasquale Marino (Udinese) £400,000
Luigi Del Neri (Atalanta) £360,000
Gigi Cagni (Empoli) £360,000
Silvio Baldini (Catania) £280,000
Domenico Di Carlo (Parma) £280,000
Gian Piero Gasperini (Genoa) £240,000
Andrea Mandorlini (Siena) £200,000
Massimo Ficcadenti (Reggina) £200,000
Fernando Orsi (Livorno) £160,000

Others

Fabio Capello (England) £4.5m
Jurgen Klinsmann (Bayern Munich) £2m
Giovanni Trapattoni (Rep Of Ireland) £1.5m

Fergies wage seems small, but he’s got shares by the shed load and all other of bits and bobs.

Give Moyes however much he wants. Hes an amazing manager and deserves all he gets.

£3m a year? Thoroughly deserved - I hope David Moyes stays at Everton for a very long time!

I wouldn?t set much store by the figures above as last time Moyes got a revised contract it was reported as for £1.5M a year so £3M would represent a 100% uplift. Recent reportage is of Fergie getting £5M and likely to retire on a £2M a year pension in a year?s time. Suspect Davey will ask for his release then to succeed him so the more he?s on the more Kenwright/ Wyness can demand in compensation.

I have to smile when people who would be lucky to earn £1Million in their lifetime talk so glibly about giving the likes of Moyes three times that a year.Just shows that football people are occupying a different world from the likes of us who pay them such obscene money via season tickets and Sky subscriptions.
I’d like to see the whole lot of it go bust so we could start again!"

Just wondered whether you have ever said anything good about Mr Moyes

If David Moyes is the man who can take us to the next level then £3 million is fine.I am a great admirer of Dm but couldn’t be 100% sure that he is.
Of course finance will be the main factor in taking us forward but a change in attitude will be necessary.That means not resorting to safety first when we play sides like Chelsea,i.e Carsley and Neville in midfield.It means having the belief that we are good enough to compete at Old Trafford and it means giving flair players a run in the side.(ADVM).
A couple of years ago DM was big enough to learn from the players and to adjust his style of management.Can he do it again?

I’ve been giving it some thought since reading this article. I’ve previously been convinced the reason Moyes wasn’t signing was because of lack of transfer funds. But this makes more sense. If you think about it, why would Moyes quit over a lack of transfer funds? Why be unemployed when you don’t have to be? Surely he’d be better off staying put and just waiting for a better job to come along if he wanted to jump ship. From his own financial point of view, why leave a well paid job without another lined up?

I am now convinced Moyes will sign his new lucrative contract even though he’s never won anything and he’ll demand the same wage off Newcastle when he’s managing them come the end of the season!

The News of the World is quite absorbent. By the time the other managers on this list have renegotiated new contracts, say over the next eighteen months- if they’re still in a job, DM wil be well down the list of earners again. We need to pay him enough to stay at the club.

I might be a bit naive but I think that story is a load of nonsense. I?ve criticised Moyes loads of times for, what I think, have been daft tactics and substitutions. However, that?s what supporters do and he?s proved me wrong. I think if he had a decent transfer fund, he?d generally get us better players and therefore improve the team and the squad. Whatever else I think of David Moyes, I just don?t see him as a money grabber.

My guess, is that he?s not willing to commit himself to Everton until the club shows him that they are as ambitious as he is. I think he?s happy enough with his salary and I don?t believe that he will sign for us, if the club faff about this time. I think then that he?d just see his contract out.

David Moyes has been the most dignified and principled person at EFC in the last 20 years.

He never bad-mouths other people nor teams or managers and thats one of the reasons he is held in such high regard by his peers in addition to the fact he?s kept EFC at the top of the league (bar 1 season) on a shoestring.

As some other posters have said even the pro-BK brigade would have had him out by now if it wasn't for Moyes.

It is a short and high pressure job for most so I say good luck to him.

I think Jay Harris is spot on.

Theres no other manager in the Premier League I would rather have in charge given our current circumstances. Good luck to DM if he is trying to get the best deal possible for himself.
A bit disappointing for you Brian that this mail didn?t get the histerical carry on you obviously wanted.
Better luck next time.

Ironic really that Moyes is held up as a hero when he?s won nothing and his record is just about on par with Gordon Lee who got hounded out. Just shows how far our hopes and expectations have dropped over the past 30 years!

Oh really! To compare Gordon Lee with David Moyes.... don?t make me laugh. Moyesy is the best thing to happen at EFC for years.

what a Larf....... "on par with Gordon Lee".......give me a break.
ironic Roger ... It seems your knowledge of all things football is on par with that of Alexi Sayle.

Just fantastic to see how many Toffeewebbers have now come round to my admiration of David Moyes. For over two years I was castigated on this site for my faith in ?Our Davey? ? how things have changed!

I suggest that once we are safely installed in our new home, admiration for the drive and determination of Chairman Bill will follow.

Why anybody reads the NOTW is beyond me, how the hell does Andy Dunn know how much Everton have offered DM? He?s just rumour mungering to get the fans riled, but to tell you the truth most people couldn?t care less how much he earns as long as he?s doing a good job, which at the moment he?s probably doing the best job in the Premier League. We came 5th last season, semi final in one cup and last 16 in the Uefa Cup. With a limited squad and limited funds that?s some achievement.

Maybe Davey?s become cynical and said well fuck it, I?ve tried my best, I?m banging my head against a brick wall, the chairman doesn?t match my ambition and is happy to stay in the EPL, so I?ll sit on a fat contract till someone sacks me. His manner towards the end of last year was one of slight despair, and if he?s not allowed to spend any decent money what else can he do. He?s not going to walk away from £50 grand a week is he ? would you?

Richard. I think most people castigate you due to the overwhelming optimism you exert. It's the fact that you discount anything slightly negative, in the same way that people who are completely negative are attacked.

An acceptance of the fact that there are both positives AND negatives in all aspects of the club would make your views more widely accepted.

My old Dad always told me, ’Avoid negative people at all costs-they will only bring you down.’I have followed that mantra all my life and as far as Everton is concerned I have been well rewarded! We have some excellent people in charge of our club, make no mistake.

Doesn?t the club have a policy of not breaking the bank on wages? This would put Moysey on nearly £58k per week, which would make him the highest paid at the club!!

I personally think he?s worth every penny and maybe it?s a sign of things to come - better players, higher wages.

If that is the case, Lawrence, it puts Davey in a unique position as I know of no other club where the manager is the highest earner. Whilst I don?t begrudge him his good fortune, he can expect a queue of players at his door if we get off to a good start.

Of course, he knew he?d got BB exactly where he wants him. Even if he?d demanded £5M there would have been an outcry if Bill had turned him down and he?d walked. Like all good Scots, Davey knows how to turn a shilling!

Richard Dodd
Dont stretch the imagination too far with "Black Bill" and DK neither of which will do much for Everton.

DM is no different than the rest of us. The market dictates how much he is worth and given his accomplishments at Everton he would expect to be paid in line with his peers. Looking at the table posted by Tom Hughes, I think it would be difficult to argue against Moyes?s deal. Don?t get me wrong, it?s still a hell of a lot of money, more than most of us can imagine but that?s where we are in the modern game. Did someone mention slavery?

Richard Dodd, you say..

"My old Dad always told me, ?Avoid negative people at all costs-they will only bring you down.?I have followed that mantra all my life"

Your Dad sounds familiar.

He wasn?t in the movie The Life of Brian was he?

In the final scene, singing on a cross?

What a load of tosh - ?snout in the trough? I ask you.....Moyes deserves a slice of pie so good luck to him.

He earns what he?s worth in his industry. Grow up!!!