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Reading between the lines, it now looks as though Destination Kirkby is not going to be called in. I have purchased my season ticket for next season, and first went to Goodison in 1965, standing behind the goal in the Street End. I feel every Evertonian must now decide, if the move to Kirkby does go ahead what their next move will be.

I for one have decided I will attend all Premier League games at Goodison this season but will not attend any european, FA or cup games. At the end of the season I will not renew my season ticket. This will be a massive wrench for me, as for the last 43 years I have watched my team play every other week at Goodison, with my best mate, Obe. I will not renew my season ticket because I am totally against the move.

My reasons are; we will be leaving this city to the RS... and will be moving to a town. This will make us no bigger than Blackburn Rovers, Bolton, Middlesborough or Derby. I predict our support will erode over the coming years and we will end up playing in a half empty stadium. This one thought keeps going through my head. When we do win a cup, we will not be able to drive through the city of Liverpool, the city of our birth, but will have to show the cup in Knowsley.

Picture this, the train pulls in at Lime St, the first thing the people will see, "Liverpool, Home of the Beatles, and of Liverpool Football Club." Everton Football Club will be erased from the memory of this city, as we will not be a part of it, which will break my heart, we will have lost our history, our home and our place in this great city, when once we were THE ONLY club in Liverpool. I will never set foot inside the Tesco dome in Kirkby.
Gerry Dignam, Knowsley     Posted 20/07/2008 at 12:46:16

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Dean Williamson
1   Posted 20/07/2008 at 15:54:42

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I agree with you completely and will be doing the same.
Brian Williams
2   Posted 20/07/2008 at 15:54:28

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Gerry...Don’t give up hope just yet ;-)
Paul Gladwell
3   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:00:26

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Could not agree more, It actually puts knots in my stomach what they are doing to our club and for people who will shout "Get over it" ? well they just don't get it.
Jay Capper
4   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:04:16

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Gerry, I have similar history to you, and I feel exactly the same, as do my daughters, and grandchildren. If Kirby is to be our final destination, then there will be three generations of my family who will not be renewing their tickets after 2009, as that move will end up as EFC?s graveyard.
Barry Bragg
5   Posted 20/07/2008 at 15:45:13

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You are correct Gerry in stating that every Evertonian will have to make his own mind up on what he or she will do in response to the Kirby move (assuming it goes ahead). If you decide not to attend again, that is your decision and beyond reproach. I personally respect that decision but does it mean you will no longer support Everton or consider yourself an Evertonian? Or will you still support them in the way you now support them when they play away games? Just curious what your mindset is as there are plenty of other blues who also say they won?t set foot in a Kirkby stadium.
Frank Duffy
6   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:17:09

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Agree with all you guys. My dad took me to my first game at Goodison Park in 1958 at the age of 8 - reserve match - thousands there. I and my 2 boys have renewed this season?s tickets. But if DK gets the green light then that will be the last time the club gets any of our money.

This will not be the Everton I know and supported. Sad day if the Govenment caves in to the Tesco empire.
Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:21:25

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I’ve posted on this website that I wouldn’t set foot in Kirkby as it would be nigh on impossible for two of my car passengers who have held season tickets even longer than I have. I would still go to selected away games dependent on work commitments as we could all still get there without punitive parking schemes that would leave the two literally miles away from the stadia. If you choose to go to Kirkby or not it’s your own money and own decision but I personally feel there will be a significant backlash of supporters and swathes of empty seats at a 50k stadium with my guess at average attendances dropping below 30k.
Dave Ush
8   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:26:27

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I am no different to you people and I have supported the blues all my life. I respect your decisions but you are 100% wrong. The heart and soul of the club is not bricks and mortar but the fans that support it. I will watch them on the moon if I have to and as far as I?m concerned anyone who jumps ship if/when we move will be the losers not the club.

If we are winning and are successful, the fans will come to the Tescodrome regardless of what any of you think. If we are losing and crap they won?t come. I honestly think that if we do move some of you will be praying for the club to go downhill just so you can sit and tell us "we told you it wouldn?t work."

What will you all do with your Saturday afternoons when some of us are still at the match cheering on the Blues?

Jay Capper
9   Posted 20/07/2008 at 16:41:45

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Dave, I also respect your decision to give undying support no matter where! But I find the latter part of your mail quite childish and immature. Do you really believe that people who have spent years and lots of hard earned money supporting ??their?? club, would then pray for it?s demise? So they could say ?told you so??? ? how sad is that???

Myself and many others will probably be glued to radios, or maybe lucky enough to watch them on tv somewhere. I would even consider going to the occasional away game again, when a ticket is available, but by not going to DK doesn?t stop me and many others supporting and defending our team because you don't agree with the owners!!!

Anthony Jenkins
10   Posted 20/07/2008 at 17:15:23

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I have been going to goodison for only 16 years and feel I have backed the Blues to the best my pockets can as a supporter. I dream like every Blue to win the league but have accepted no money = no league. Anyone can win a cup. Goodison Park is the soul of every Everton supporter and if it goes then a big chunk of Everton dissapears. This is my reason I will not go to a new ground and then become a fan of the greatest club on earth. How the hell did Everton get in to this situation? I am really GUTTED!
Jack Tynan
11   Posted 20/07/2008 at 17:44:41

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Living in Kirkby, I know that there is a very positive vibe that DK is not going to be called in. But it was clear from the pub chatter at lunchtime that both Tesco and Everton have a lot of barriers to overcome with residents before this abominable scheme becomes reality. Even when we hear the news tomorrow, don?t let?s give up the fight!
Robert Bradshaw
12   Posted 20/07/2008 at 17:52:04

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What a coincidence... early this coming week MPs are about to begin their well deserved summer/early autumn break.... for eleven and a half weeks until October. What a great time early this coming week to announce an unpopular decision....
Arthur Jones
13   Posted 20/07/2008 at 18:07:36

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I too will not be renewing my season ticket after 40 years of going to Goodison, and have in fact e.mailed Ian Ross amongst others to say so. His response? "We can?t please all Evertonians" and "Goodison will not receive a safety certificate in a few years" ... something I know now not to be true. I can?t believe the board realise how much of a negative effect moving out of the city will have on the club.
Arshad Zaman
14   Posted 20/07/2008 at 18:25:19

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A poster on Bluekipper has come up with a link that shows Knowsley Council have in the last few days arranged a meeting for Aug 13th. This meeting is to give yet more land to Tesco to the north of Cherryfield Drive - land owned by Knowsley Council. Of course Tesco have already acquired land to the south of Cherryfield Drive for next to nothing from Knowsley Council, they also bought out Development Securities interests in the town centre in April too. Looks like DK has had the nod. :(
Dave Ush
15   Posted 20/07/2008 at 18:47:19

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Jay.
Childish and immature is saying I’m going home and taking my ball with me or even saying I will stop going because of some imaginary boundary.

Honestly anyone whose only reason to refuse to go is because it is slightly outside of an arbitary city border want’s to go home and take a good hard look at themselves.

That said I do acknowledge serious misgivings about the whole project but the tone of this thread is more of a threat to remove support if they don’t get their own way rather than a debate of any issues involved.
Brian Waring
16   Posted 20/07/2008 at 18:41:56

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I have nothing against Kirkby (being originally from Huyton ) or it’s people, and since moving down to Wokingham, have only missed a few home games for the last 2 season’s, and before the move down here, was a season ticket holder. But, if DK goes ahead, no matter how much I love the club, and how much it would kill me inside, I won’t be attending. My little lad who is 9, is just as mad an evertonian as I was at that age. And for someone of such a young age, he actually can see that this is killing me, and understands that if I don’t go, he won’t be able to either. But his answer to that was " If you think it is wrong for us (Everton ) then I’m on your side, and we won’t go " And I know I will be depriving my own son, of going to watch the club he is mad about, but that is how strongly I feel about this whole fucking mess!
Gavin Ramejkis
17   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:01:57

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Dave Ush it’s too simplistic to say if we are playing crap then people wont come as the only reason Kirkby would falter but the truth is that Everton have been shite for the majority of the Sky years and our resilient fanbase has stayed loyal. The whole DK debacle with the lies and propoganda and shoddy treatment of a large proportion of the fans is their "final straw", many no longer trust the current incumbents and will show their mistrust by stopping renewing their season tickets, many like myself will choose away games which will be far fewer than the home games I would have attended with a car full every home game, many will give match attendance up altogether as they won’t be able to afford the travel given fuel price rises and the state of the economy. The truth is a mixture of lots of reasons but it won’t be playing shite football as if that was the case we would have been dead and buried years ago.
Brian Davis
18   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:05:59

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Brian Waring = Middle aged ’man’ throwing his dummy out of the pram and bloody minded and childish enough to prevent his 9 year old son from seeing the club he loves.
Ric Wallace
19   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:09:24

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I think its childish if people say now they will officially stop supporting Everton or going to watch us if we move to Kirkby.

You know you won’t stop, because as we know we are born not manufactured.

If, and its a big if, we become as successful out of town, like United did, will you still stop visiting the ground? I doubt it.

I don’t doubt your reasons behind why you won’t go to ground, but its highly unlikely you will ever be able to let your club go to the dogs because of poor management.

If you see the club struggling in Kirkby will you just shrug your shoulders, feel a bit sad and say "What else can I do?". I think not.


I can accept if you stop supporting Everton because you no longer feel you have an affiliation or love for the club because of the move.
Don’t say you will give up supporting Everton because its out of town now and the RS have the city to themselves, and that’s a pathetic excuse.

We have to help this club to succeed in Kirkby IF we move there. Because don’t be fooled, once we move this board will sell up, and who will have to pick up the pieces? The fans.
Ric Wallace
20   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:15:54

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For the record, I am against Kirkby, but I just had a thought. I don?t know if this has been posted elsewhere before but let's be hypothetical.

If Everton move to Kirkby and the board sell up to new investors, why will it be the end of us?
I'm just wondering, is it possible to still develop the stadium further after its built, and improve the stadia infrastructure, like United did, and also then improve transport links?

If the current board leave us with a shit stadium in Kirkby and sell up to new investors as we are to believe, and Moyes gets lots of money to spend and makes a great side, what is stopping us from ever improving the stadium so it becomes a stadium to be proud of?

I know its an odd way of looking at it, but didn?t we do that with Goodison Park in 1892? It was built, wasn?t that brilliant, but over the years was developed eventually into a world class stadium like it was in the 50s-70s.

No-one is saying that because Kirkby starts as a shithole, that we can?t make it into of the best damn stadiums in the future.

As I say completely hypothetical, but I just thought we might need another outlook on the predicted apocalypse Kirkby will bring to us if we move there.
Anthony Fielding
21   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:15:30

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I've got to say, I think it's a bit childish that people are no longer going to watch Everton if we move to Kirkby, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. What does it matter if we?re a mile over some invisible border?
Karl Jones
22   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:05:39

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Reading the post and these comments, I can't understand the reason for fans to come to a decision not to go to watch the team that they love and grew up supporting, because they have moved 4 miles down the road? Why is it wrong for Everton to have a better, modernised stadium that will increase the revenue? It can never happen within the LCC boundary. I will be gutted to leave Goodison, but you need to look to the future, not dwell in the past. As much as I hate it, Football is all about generating as much money as possible. Staying at Goodison will not attract the investment we need, especially in the shadow of the LFC superdome. Having said that, I can't see the project escaping Government call-in.
Michael Kenrick
23   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:26:42

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Ric, a very sensible question. Unfortunately, if you study the Kirby literature, the answer is a resounding No to such future expansion. The capacity of the Tescodome is limited to 50,041 under the terms and conditions of the planning approval.
Brian Waring
24   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:16:17

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Brian Davis, it’s far from being childish. I have thought long and hard about my decision, andI feel so strongly about the whole mess, that I am prepared to stop going, even though it prevents my little lad going. As I said, at the age of 9 he understands why. Also, he still will go to some games with his grandad, when he visits him in Chester, I just won’t be there with him. One more thing, it has fuck all to do with (for me ) Kirkby not being in Liverpool, I have made my decision on more important factors concerning the proposed move.
Ken Crosby
25   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:21:21

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Whichever side of the fence you are on you will know that GP is a shithole that would take far more than £78M to re-develop. OK, Kirkby is a shithole too, and I should know because I live here, but I shall be proud ?bloody proud ? if my club is responsible for the re-generation of my home town by way of the provision of a brand new stadium for My club.

Most of us living here know that the opposition to this move is far more about the conception of Kirkby held by Liverpool residents and the disdain they have always shown towards us than it is about the ??spiritual home?? of Everton FC. So get your heads from up your arses, accept the inevitable and all work together to make both Everton FC and KIrkby names to be proud of!!!!!

Alan Clarke
26   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:26:15

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I?m slightly confused about the actual vote. The question was whether people wanted to move to Kirkby was it not? The question wasn?t "do you want a new stadium?". Therefore, the fact that the new stadium will be in Kirkby means the majority of Evertonians don?t give a shit about the location. Now there can be arguments about funding and travel and parking but the fact is most Evertonians voted to actually move to Kirkby. I don?t think they?ll be a massive drop in attendances if we move. A lot of other forums I read are full of people who are very pro the move.

I voted no but I?ll still go. What the hell else will I do on a Saturday? (or Sunday or Monday evening)?
Jimmy Lanson
27   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:10:33

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The last time I had this feeling in my stomach we were playing Wimbledon the following day.
Sack the Board asap.
Dave Wilson
28   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:02:07

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Dav Ush
You ask What will we do when you'r at Kirkby?

A few rounds of golf.
May go back into managing at ale house level.
Encourage the youngsters to play themselves, maybe even go along and support.
Feel free to go on me jollies anytime - not just when the footy season's over.
Have a few bevies with friends and families.
Barbecues on nice days.
Attend all the great race meetings, York, Ascot etc . .
All the best boxing.
Count the four grand I spent supporting EFC this year, coz I wont spend any of it on Kirkby Town...

Everton have always come first for me - and thousands of others, we?ve all missed things we really fancy because we knew we?d be watching Everton.

Trust me pal, I?d rather take the missus shoping, I?d rather watch fucking Holby City than travel to the Tescodome to watch the desperately poor imposter you will have voted for.

Don't concern yourself about people wanting your new Kikrby Town to fail, most of us won't care enough.

Derek Turnbull
29   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:33:31

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Ric Wallace - I agree with what you say.

I think there is a responsibilty right now for fans like you and me who have have voted No, but acknowledge that we will probably still go, and also for Yes voters, to lobby Everton to get them to improve the stadium design.

The current design has extreme limitations on expansion. They haven?t even made provisions for an extra tier on each stand such is their lack of faith in the project, and they haven?t even bothered to design it for atmosphere.

It truly is a shockingly poor stadium. It?s not as though it would cost more to do for the stadium to be designed to improve the above. They either don?t have a clue or they don't care.
Harold Monger
30   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:32:05

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OK Ken, we?ve all heard the vibes... My Knowsley councillor told me today that subject to ?one or two assurances? that the Coucil will agree to provide at their meeting on 13th August, DK has got the green light. But that still don?t make it right ? for Kirkby or Everton ? and it frightens me that the likes of Tesco, aided by somebody who has fuck all to put into Everton but can find £250k to grease the wheels, can ride rough shod over a whole community. What sort of world are we living in for chrissake?
Roy Coyne
31   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:36:06

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Frank Duffy, I started going the same time as you and at first said the same thing: that's it, I?m off. But then I started to think of how I hate the close season so I doubt if I could stay away. What I will do as my little protest is, once we move, NO more season ticket as it won't be needed. The people who think we will fill the shitehole need a reality check. Also, none of the usual buys, pies etc so instead of getting my cash up front and the profits on the £5-£10 I spend in the ground... I know it's a drop in the ocean but if a couple of thousand fans did the same it would affect Kenwright the only way he cares: cash. If you don't go, good luck mate, as the club don't deserve our support and the reports of that last meeting show Kenwright should not be allowed to call himself a Blue.
Kevin Molloy
32   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:36:20

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Some of the objections to Kirkby are just weird. First:
1 We?re moving from our spiritual home. Tell that to all the other fans who happily move when they can see it?s the best move for the club, Liverpool, Arsenal among others.
2 Moving outside the city boundary will be disastrous and lead to a haemorrhaging of the club?s support. Tell that to United, they?ve always been outside the boundary.
3 We?ll end up with a shitbox. This project is being led by probably the world?s most capable businessman, who just happens to be an Everton nut. It won?t be a shitbox.
In fact, Kirkby is a remarkable opportunity. What other club is going to have a stadium built for them (excepting Manchester City, who have a decent City Council to rely upon)?
We?re going to have a 50,000-seater brand new stadium built for the club, try and be pleased about it
Dave Wilson
33   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:47:52

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Oh and by the way, if anyone wanted to start a new club, BASED IN THIS CITY, along the lines of Wimbledon or Fc United , I’ll be more than happy to give my support
Phil Bellis
34   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:48:41

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Alan,
Could you list the pro-Kirkby forums, please, as I don’t know of any (apart from the OS; I would presume, the LFC sites are pro-DK)
Are you just expelling typical pro-Kirkby hot air without supporting facts and creating another urban myth, when you say ’full of people who are very pro the move’?.
Anthony Newell
35   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:55:08

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Does anyone have any comment to make on what could potentially happen as a result of the EGM that has been called? I hope I?m wrong but It would appear were going to need a lot more than a plane with a banner flying over the ground to prevent this disaster unfolding.
Jimmy Ianson
36   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:56:20

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Why don?t all the fans who are not gonna go to the Tescodrome stay away from Goodison on the first day of the coming season as a protest? If enough take part in the protest, I?m sure the fuckin idiots running the club will get the message. It could also be quite useful research into what the actual attendances will be once the shithole opens.
Neil Madden
37   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:09:08

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4th generation Evertonian. and season ticket holder of long standing. I won?t go to Kirkby, that?s it for me. Cannot be arsed arguing with anyone about it anymore or posting my reasons. Kenwright is like the European ban times 10. Yes voters out and take Kenwright with you. Don?t bother wasting your breath posting a reply.
Bilbo Baggins
38   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:10:55

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It's not about borders, it's about the location Anthony, how many times do you and your yes friends need telling?
In some ways I can't wait for the season to start if the decision is to move, because then maybe we will see some venom in the protests and make the gobshites who are doing this feel uncomfortable and hated.
Anthony Jenkins
39   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:09:57

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Kevin Molloy

What relevence does another club have to do with our situation?Nothing, because a Blue doesn't give a shit what happens around us! Because if we did we would start acting like Kopites, being too bothered in what United are doing and not concentrating on their own problems.

As for people saying more attendance will mean more money ? why don't we fill Goodison now? Because (I hate saying this) we haven't got enough Blues to fill the stadium or enough passionate Blues who will attend. Or maybe the prices are high now and you think the ticket prices in the new stadium will stay at today's prices? Dream on!

Whether you like or dislike the move, each Everton fan will get hurt ? either by feelings or in the pocket.

Patrick Whitty
40   Posted 20/07/2008 at 19:28:35

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All the debate in the world won't change the facts. And what are the facts? Does anybody know for sure?

We have people here who will support this club through thick and thin. Some are convinced we have been lied to. Others who believe that the Kirkby project is the only way forward. Never have I seen such a divisive subject as this,which threatens to tear this club apart.

I don't know the facts and I doubt we will ever know the whole truth. At the end of the day Everton Football club are admired all over the country for putting in a challenge to the so-called top four. Most people who support football are fed up to the back teeth of the way this game is being run. We have been a threat to the establishment and that has been well received by supporters of other clubs. Where do we go from here?

Do we really want to join the elite and become one of the top five, or the top six if spurs can emulate us? Would Goodison park be an a good place for a team on the up to play? Would Kirkby be good enough? One thing is for sure, at the end of the day each person has their opinion and I am sure they will support this team to the end. Wether they go to the match or not, they still have the right to call themselves supporters.

I don't know what will happen if Kirkby goes ahead, but I am willing to give it a go. As for people who choose not to attend, that is their deciscion. But would they come to Kirkby to watch the blues play in a Uefa Cup semi or a Champions League semi? Would the success of the team draw supporters back?

Ok, let's get to the point of this letter. I believe we are at a crossroads not only because of Kirkby but also the team on the pitch. The lack of signjngs plus insignificant pre-season performances and injuries could be another factor that decides the future of this club.

I love all you Evertonians wether you are pro-Kirkby or anti. You are the lifeblood of this club. You have cried tears of joy and tears of despair. You are what this club stands for. Nothing but the best will ever do and you are the best.

roy coyne
41   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:27:55

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Kevin Molloy if you think that the club have a good deal irrespective of the location.Even if it was in a desired place the deal is awful how do we make the projected increase in revenue when there is no use of the ground for anything that would go some way to getting the cash,why should Kirkby council get such a huge use of the stadium for free we are not a charity.
Rich Jones
42   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:28:56

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I?m with you Dave Wilson 1878 Everton FC or Real Everton FC. There is a choice, guys this would be painful, verry painful but Everton in Kirkby will mean nothing to me. I have not surrendered the city to that shower over the road even if it meant starting in the Northern Premier or whatever it's called now. If Desperation Kirkby gets the nod, I?m asking for my season ticket money back, I'm not supporting this board anymore with my money.
Paul Gladwell
43   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:33:35

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Some good shouts Patrick, I won't renew but will pay and give it a go but fear the worst in it not being Everton anymore.

One thing that is certain in all this, no matter what shit Mr Ross or anyone else spouts, and that is we wont die if Kirkby did fall through, a plan B would appear within weeks and all that safety ticket shit is scaremongering. This has just been done so wrong and no matter what these people shout, hundreds of years of Evertonia will be killed if we move through people not going anymore. They are devastated ? is that the right way the most important decision in our history should of been done? By splitting the fanbase in two and losing people who bleed blue blood? Shame on you, Mr Bradley and Mr Kenwright.

Roy Coyne
44   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:48:55

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I never thought I would say this but I'm glad I'm getting on and witnessed a lot of our glory years as we will never repeat them in Kirkby. I would be tempted to go and support the Everton formed by the fans who care for tradition.
Andy Crooks
45   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:40:36

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Kevin Molloy ,I am convinced that time will show that this is not a remarkable opportunity. United have some supporters but thousands of customers. People who as soon as they find the product not to their liking will look somewhere else. When we move to Kirby we may gain a few customers but many true supporters will have an awful decision to make. Myself? I will keep my head buried in the sand and hope by some miracle it all goes away.
Thomas Reed
46   Posted 20/07/2008 at 20:42:23

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What is wrong with people on this site? Why the hell do the majority worry about LFC, they have nothing to do with this!

I voted YES to Kirkby but I do understand the arguments on both sides but if the move gets passed what has that got to do with the players! That is who we go and watch every fortnight.

As for LCC what have they ever done for our club? Nothing, that's what; they had their chance to do something when DK came about and all?s they have done is fall over themselves for LFC so I cannot blame the club for not co-operating with them! In an ideal world, Everton would stay with a new ground in the city and everyone would be happy, but it has come to this scenario and there is nothing we can do about it as we will die if we stay at goodison and you all know it!

As for people saying this is their last season and so on, why are you going now! At the end of the day as I said before, we go and support the TEAM!! So, if you all feel this way, don?t go this season or next. If it goes tits up in Kirkby then fine ? you will be proved right , but by staying away from the game you will do as much to kill the club as anyone. If you all love EFC like you say you do, wake up and smell the coffee!

John Spencer
47   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:03:02

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I was a Yes voter and if there was a ballot tomorrow I?d vote Yes again without hesitation. I?m glad that any go-ahead for DK will be accompanied by a Moyes new contract and some super new signings - things that will make most Blues happy and optimistic and drown out the moans of the "me me me" middle-aged pessimists.
Alan Codd
48   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:20:09

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Personally, I couldn't care less about the geography, ie an imaginary line.
I am most concerned that this stadium will be a run-of-the-mill shit heap with no atmosphere, no history, no style and the whole match day experience will be shite as well as costing more to attend.
Paul Gladwell
49   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:16:22

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Thomas "we will die if we stay at Goodison" who told you that Mr Ross?
Why will we die?

I just give up when I hear utter crap like that, over a century in the place, two world wars, relegations, Euro bans... and we will die because we need a new Bullens Road stand.

LCC have been a large blame in this but when you ask what have they done for us they bent over backwards delaying dates so Billy Bullshit could find his ringfenced money. I respect your decision by the way but believing the words of compulsive liars is beyond me.

And as for the red shite, you are right: sod them, but I work with them and it's getting harder and harder to win an arguement with them. That banner at the derby did hurt me inside too and I won't apologise for that. I just give up shouting and repeating myself, I am gutted I just hope I am proven wrong; sadly, I don't think I will be.

Ross Ainscough
50   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:50:43

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DK is a complete joke of a stadium. Liverpool planning a 75 000 stadium in the best city in the world, so Bill Kenwright decides we will make a 50 000 stadium outside the city in a shabby town with nothing at all in it!! What happened to NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM, and THE PEOPLE'S CLUB? If it wasn?t for Moyes's miracles on the pitch, Kenwright would have been found out for the joke he is years ago.
Tony Williams
51   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:52:18

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I understand the reasons some people are using to say they won’t go to Kirkby but I don’t understand why we have to get these posts again and again.

Ok we get it, you won’t renew your season ticket and the board should be sacked etc etc. Why do you feel the need to tell people about it?

It’s the same names again and again, "I have been a season ticket holder for X amount of years etc" So what?

You’re not going, fair enough why do you need to broadcast it?
John Kline
52   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:42:20

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What are we, Geordies? Kopites would have nipped this in the bud straight away. We do our protesting on the internet, out of the public eye. I bet the two fools have had not one uncomfortable moment at Goodison through all of this. If you won’t go to Kirby (and I won’t) then boycot Goodison too. It’s the only way to show the depth of feeling. Vote with your feet lads.
Michael Kenrick
53   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:57:14

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Tony... there you go yet again, for the umpteeth time. Why is it that I repeatedly have to nail you for questioning other people?s right to post on this website? They have the right to post. You have the right to post... as long as you post about the issue. Geddit?

If you have a problem with the issue they are posting about, address that issue ? but please do not challenge the reason for their posting if that is all you can come up with. It is not acceptable and I will take steps this time if you continue.
Ed Fitzgerald
54   Posted 20/07/2008 at 21:18:50

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What is it that yes voters can?t grasp? People who voted no have every right to state that they won?t be giving the DK bandwagon any money should we move. Do you berate Evertonians who don?t attend now? No thought not. Perhaps despite all the yes voters? rhetoric they are secretly worried that considerable numbers of us who voted no will fuck the match off for good. It will be a pretty shite atmosphere if you have a crowd of 30-35,000 in a ground built for 50,000 (just think Middlesboro last season) or do you clowns think our average gate Is going to be anywhere near 45-50,000?. The reality is for the visit of big teams they will probably get a whole end of the ground as you do at Blackburn, so maybe for these games a crowd of 40,000-45,000 is likely. Maybe Terry Leahy has done some secret market research and there is a whole untapped population of Evertonians in the hinterlands of Southern Lancashire although I suspect not.
Many of the posts that express a negative view of DK appear to be longstanding season ticket holders who are simply sickened by the lies and subterfuge that have characterised the whole shoddy affair. If you want to go to DK that?s fine, I have no argument with you but I don?t need a lecture from some young pup about how middle aged blues are being selfish by not attending anymore. The old laggards like me have put our stint in renewing season tickets back in the halcyon days of the early 80?s in the middle of a massive recession. (Check out the attendances then). At the end of the day it is a personal choice, for some watching Everton will continue to mean exactly the same thing as it always has, and for others (like me) it will simply be the end of a love affair.
Tom Campbell
55   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:00:40

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Michael Kenrick?

Did Keith Wyness not say the tesco-dome could be expanded to 60k???

Or was I led to believe this bullshit?
Tony Williams
56   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:05:10

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Michael I don?t have a problem with people posting thrads, it is interesting to read but the flood of "I won?t be going to Kirkby, even though I have been a season ticket holder for 10/20/30/40 years" isn?t a topic, it is just a moan and it the same in every thread.

As I said before it is the same names saying they won?t be going so it is simply a rehash of posts that have already run their course.

As the editor of the site and your attitude to the repetative Football Manager type threads, I would have thought the continual repettion of the "Hell No, I won?t go" thread would suffer the same kind of attitude. You even had a go at another poster for posting about the Merchandising, why are the repative posts on not going to Kirkby immune?

Yes it is relevant to the ongoing saga per se but as I mentioned I really can?t see a reason why someone wants to broadcast the fact that they will not be going to follow Everton if we move to Kirkby.
Carl Finnigan
57   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:14:01

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Tom, I think what Michael means is that a restriction put in place by Knowsley council to get this planning application passed (as a sop to residents concerns) is that the ground can't be increased beyond 50,000. However the ground is designed in a way so that it can be expanded to 60,000 by filling in the upper corners. I don't expect we?ll be needing to expand just yet but if we wanted to expand say in 10 or 20 years time a new planning application would have to be submitted to Knowsley Council so that we could fill in them corners. So Michael is half right.
Ed Fitzgerald
58   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:17:17

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Tony

Err the subject of the post invites people to say why they will or wont attend should we go to Kirkby. If you are not interested in the topic, don’t post or even better say something original to add to the debate!
Michael Kenrick
59   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:18:45

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Tony... read the mailbag item at the top of the page... It?s the subjet of the thread, FFS!!! If you don?t like the subject itself and can?t contribute anything meaningful, then DON"T POST ANYTHING! How hard is that?

For those who wish to discuss this topic (and there are a number ? see above), they are doing so in generally a civilised and respectful manner... and then you come along spouting your usual line.

And please stop with this "all the usual names" garbage too. Honestly, you are really trying my patience and I warned, you, I will take action if you continue to post this shite.
John Davies
60   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:27:40

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I’m looking forward to the move. Its only 3-4 miles away from Goodison. Planning permission in future to improve/expand the stadium will be possible. The benefits of a partnership with one of the biggest, most successful companies in the UK is a no brainer. Remember Arsenal originally moved from Woolwich. Anyone not from inside Liverpool itself sees Kirkby as a suburb of Liverpool. To say we are leaving the city to Liverpool is wrong IMO.
Jim Lloyd
61   Posted 20/07/2008 at 22:50:50

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John. I couldn?t help but reply although I only intended coming on to say I won?t go to a home ground OUTSIDE of our city. It is not just a matter of being 3 or 4 miles away, although its more like 5 or 6. We will have left Liverpool. We will not have planning permission to expand the ground, as I understand it the capacity will be fixed at 50,000.

Personally I think Everton would haver trouble filling a 40,000-seater ground, and my fear is, as time goes on, we?d have trouble filling a 35,000-seater. Still, that will only proved, one way or another, in the future. For me, Everton should be in Walton, if that's not possible, then at least in Liverpool. What Kenwright and Leahy have done will, in my humble opinion, split the club wide open. Hope I?m wrong.

I won?t be going to the new stadium in Kirkby. Whether that's childish or not, I don?t know. All I can say is, I feel that this crew have ripped the heart out of my club.

James McCarthy
62   Posted 21/07/2008 at 00:28:55

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Let joy be unconfined!
Does this mean that after all these dummy spitters give up on the club this web site can return to being what I presume it was meant to be.
A forum of Everton SUPPORTERS.
Paul Murphy
63   Posted 21/07/2008 at 03:07:05

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This is an arguement that I fully understand. I voted no to Kirkby and I hope with all my heart that Everton Football Club is spared from leaving this city.

I have thought about not attending should it come off; however, I love this club too much to not support it, regardless of where we play our home games. Everton Football Club is in my blood and I do not think, in fact I know, when push comes to shove, supporting Everton is the most important thing to me, no matter what.

If it happens I shall attend the ?Teso Dome? or whatever it will be called because Everton means so much to me regardless. Everton Football Club lives on no matter what happens, we cannot let this decision kill us. NSNO.

Dave Wilson
64   Posted 21/07/2008 at 05:53:11

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Tony Williams

Just checked the list of so called "usual suspects" I didn't recognise half of them. 95% of the people who say they won't go haven't commented on this thread.

That said, you half have a point, but to make a ballanced point you would then have to ask other things such as,
Why do people who voted Yes, continually point the finger at LCC? They talk like its some sort of act of revenge "they?ve done nothing for us, we?ll show them".
FFS this council may not even be the council by the time we move and die!

Michael's right of course, no one poster can decide what other people have to say, but I?ll try to answer your question anyway.

As with any group, the people within that group usually want to try to guage how strong they are. Strong enough to protest? Strong enough even to overturn the decision? this kind of talk isn't just on TW, it's in the pubs, the street, the workplace etc . . .

I wont accept we are dead until they bulldozers have moved in at GP. Some people, if you read their post?s are actually grieving already, you have to allow them to do that. Others - like me - arent ready to go quietly just yet, so I?m afraid your stuck with us for a while.

Dave Wilson
65   Posted 21/07/2008 at 06:56:15

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James McCarthy

I’d keep that champaigne on ice if I was you
Tony Ainscough
66   Posted 21/07/2008 at 06:50:34

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Tony Williams spot on mate
These so-called Evertonians wont be missed
Eddie Cleary
67   Posted 21/07/2008 at 10:19:09

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Yawn!
Jimmy Fearns
68   Posted 21/07/2008 at 17:39:37

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Tony Ainscough, every single stay-away Evertonian will be missed in the half-empty Tesco value-for-money, flat-pack stadium.
Gerry Dignam
69   Posted 21/07/2008 at 18:38:46

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Anthony and Carl, think of Wigan football ground, you park your car opposite Asda, walk walk to the end of Asda car park, come to a group of shops, walk through the gap, and there you have it; The Stadium. This is what Everton will have. A lifeless and souless stadium stuck in the middle of nowhere. Agent Kenwrigt has a lot to answer for, he should go back to tihe dark side.Mission accomplished.

Brian, my heart goes out to you to have to tell your son you will not be taking him the match any more. I hope he understands your reason behind this decision.
EJ Ruane
70   Posted 22/07/2008 at 12:08:19

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Tony Ainscough you say "Tony Williams spot on mate (are you Ron Dixon?) These so-called Evertonians wont be missed"

As someone who will never set foot inside any ground in Kirkby CALLING ITSELF ’Everton FC’, can I say I’ll just never be able to be a true blue like you and your mate Tony.

Blues prepared to follow and make excuses for PROVEN bullshitters.

Blues prepared to allow Everton Football Club to be moved outside of the city they’ve been in for 130 years, to a shopping centre in a TOWN.

Blues prepared to allow the phrase "One City One Team" to be shouted at them and their kids/grandkids for the next 100 years by Norwegian Reds.

Blues prepared to sit in a soulless two-bob, pre-fab ground, convincing themselves they’re still watching Everton.

Blues prepared to spend 45 mins walking from their car to the ground.

Blues prepared to wait an hour and a half for a train home after the game.

If Evertonians against all this are ’so called Evertonians’ then I’m the biggest ’so-called’ one of all.

COYAFCB!
Ken Taylor
71   Posted 22/07/2008 at 19:40:29

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I admire your passion and reasons against the move, however we must consider all alternatives at the moment.
The sad fact is that there are no alternatives. It would not be practical to re-develop Goodison, and Liverpool City Council have provided absolutly no suitable sites within the City boundaries, nor look likely to in the future. The possible location at Bestway Cash and Carry was always a non starter, the area would not even accomodate Tranmere Rovers.
EFC do need to move on and provide a modern world class stadium with suitable facilities. The majority of teams in the premier league do have excellent stadiums. Whilst the Kirkby Stadium will it be outside the city boundary, it wil be only 1 mile.
Chris Openshaw
72   Posted 23/07/2008 at 09:29:37

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Like most Evertonians of my aquaintance, I am becoming resigned to the belief that DK will get the green light. Sure, there may be reservations and qualifications attaching to the approval but I have little doubt it`s a goer.

However sick I shall feel when the news is announced, the one thing that will cement my opposition to the scheme and ensure that I will NEVER set foot in the Tescodrome is for David Moyes to announce that approval of the move has finally persuaded him to put pen to paper on a new contract.

Now I know he may not be telling the truth as I believe his bond with the Club and its followers ? to say nothing of a well deserved £6M a year salary ? will be the real reason to stay but all the respect I have for the man will dissipate if he allows himself to be manipulated over this issue.

So PLEASE, Davey don`t do it ! To so many of us you are the last beacon of truth and integrity in the morass that Everton FC has become. Don`t take that last bit of our veneration away, I beg you!


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