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Reading between the lines, it now looks as though Destination Kirkby is not going to be called in. I have purchased my season ticket for next season, and first went to Goodison in 1965, standing behind the goal in the Street End. I feel every Evertonian must now decide, if the move to Kirkby does go ahead what their next move will be.
I for one have decided I will attend all Premier League games at Goodison this season but will not attend any european, FA or cup games. At the end of the season I will not renew my season ticket. This will be a massive wrench for me, as for the last 43 years I have watched my team play every other week at Goodison, with my best mate, Obe. I will not renew my season ticket because I am totally against the move.
My reasons are; we will be leaving this city to the RS... and will be moving to a town. This will make us no bigger than Blackburn Rovers, Bolton, Middlesborough or Derby. I predict our support will erode over the coming years and we will end up playing in a half empty stadium. This one thought keeps going through my head. When we do win a cup, we will not be able to drive through the city of Liverpool, the city of our birth, but will have to show the cup in Knowsley.
Picture this, the train pulls in at Lime St, the first thing the people will see, "Liverpool, Home of the Beatles, and of Liverpool Football Club." Everton Football Club will be erased from the memory of this city, as we will not be a part of it, which will break my heart, we will have lost our history, our home and our place in this great city, when once we were THE ONLY club in Liverpool. I will never set foot inside the Tesco dome in Kirkby.
Gerry Dignam, Posted 20/07/2008 at 12:46:16
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This will not be the Everton I know and supported. Sad day if the Govenment caves in to the Tesco empire.
If we are winning and are successful, the fans will come to the Tescodrome regardless of what any of you think. If we are losing and crap they won?t come. I honestly think that if we do move some of you will be praying for the club to go downhill just so you can sit and tell us "we told you it wouldn?t work."
What will you all do with your Saturday afternoons when some of us are still at the match cheering on the Blues?
Myself and many others will probably be glued to radios, or maybe lucky enough to watch them on tv somewhere. I would even consider going to the occasional away game again, when a ticket is available, but by not going to DK doesn?t stop me and many others supporting and defending our team because you don't agree with the owners!!!
Childish and immature is saying I’m going home and taking my ball with me or even saying I will stop going because of some imaginary boundary.
Honestly anyone whose only reason to refuse to go is because it is slightly outside of an arbitary city border want’s to go home and take a good hard look at themselves.
That said I do acknowledge serious misgivings about the whole project but the tone of this thread is more of a threat to remove support if they don’t get their own way rather than a debate of any issues involved.
You know you won’t stop, because as we know we are born not manufactured.
If, and its a big if, we become as successful out of town, like United did, will you still stop visiting the ground? I doubt it.
I don’t doubt your reasons behind why you won’t go to ground, but its highly unlikely you will ever be able to let your club go to the dogs because of poor management.
If you see the club struggling in Kirkby will you just shrug your shoulders, feel a bit sad and say "What else can I do?". I think not.
I can accept if you stop supporting Everton because you no longer feel you have an affiliation or love for the club because of the move.
Don’t say you will give up supporting Everton because its out of town now and the RS have the city to themselves, and that’s a pathetic excuse.
We have to help this club to succeed in Kirkby IF we move there. Because don’t be fooled, once we move this board will sell up, and who will have to pick up the pieces? The fans.
If Everton move to Kirkby and the board sell up to new investors, why will it be the end of us?
I'm just wondering, is it possible to still develop the stadium further after its built, and improve the stadia infrastructure, like United did, and also then improve transport links?
If the current board leave us with a shit stadium in Kirkby and sell up to new investors as we are to believe, and Moyes gets lots of money to spend and makes a great side, what is stopping us from ever improving the stadium so it becomes a stadium to be proud of?
I know its an odd way of looking at it, but didn?t we do that with Goodison Park in 1892? It was built, wasn?t that brilliant, but over the years was developed eventually into a world class stadium like it was in the 50s-70s.
No-one is saying that because Kirkby starts as a shithole, that we can?t make it into of the best damn stadiums in the future.
As I say completely hypothetical, but I just thought we might need another outlook on the predicted apocalypse Kirkby will bring to us if we move there.
Most of us living here know that the opposition to this move is far more about the conception of Kirkby held by Liverpool residents and the disdain they have always shown towards us than it is about the ??spiritual home?? of Everton FC. So get your heads from up your arses, accept the inevitable and all work together to make both Everton FC and KIrkby names to be proud of!!!!!
I voted no but I?ll still go. What the hell else will I do on a Saturday? (or Sunday or Monday evening)?
Sack the Board asap.
You ask What will we do when you'r at Kirkby?
A few rounds of golf.
May go back into managing at ale house level.
Encourage the youngsters to play themselves, maybe even go along and support.
Feel free to go on me jollies anytime - not just when the footy season's over.
Have a few bevies with friends and families.
Barbecues on nice days.
Attend all the great race meetings, York, Ascot etc . .
All the best boxing.
Count the four grand I spent supporting EFC this year, coz I wont spend any of it on Kirkby Town...
Everton have always come first for me - and thousands of others, we?ve all missed things we really fancy because we knew we?d be watching Everton.
Trust me pal, I?d rather take the missus shoping, I?d rather watch fucking Holby City than travel to the Tescodome to watch the desperately poor imposter you will have voted for.
Don't concern yourself about people wanting your new Kikrby Town to fail, most of us won't care enough.
I think there is a responsibilty right now for fans like you and me who have have voted No, but acknowledge that we will probably still go, and also for Yes voters, to lobby Everton to get them to improve the stadium design.
The current design has extreme limitations on expansion. They haven?t even made provisions for an extra tier on each stand such is their lack of faith in the project, and they haven?t even bothered to design it for atmosphere.
It truly is a shockingly poor stadium. It?s not as though it would cost more to do for the stadium to be designed to improve the above. They either don?t have a clue or they don't care.
1 We?re moving from our spiritual home. Tell that to all the other fans who happily move when they can see it?s the best move for the club, Liverpool, Arsenal among others.
2 Moving outside the city boundary will be disastrous and lead to a haemorrhaging of the club?s support. Tell that to United, they?ve always been outside the boundary.
3 We?ll end up with a shitbox. This project is being led by probably the world?s most capable businessman, who just happens to be an Everton nut. It won?t be a shitbox.
In fact, Kirkby is a remarkable opportunity. What other club is going to have a stadium built for them (excepting Manchester City, who have a decent City Council to rely upon)?
We?re going to have a 50,000-seater brand new stadium built for the club, try and be pleased about it
Could you list the pro-Kirkby forums, please, as I don’t know of any (apart from the OS; I would presume, the LFC sites are pro-DK)
Are you just expelling typical pro-Kirkby hot air without supporting facts and creating another urban myth, when you say ’full of people who are very pro the move’?.
In some ways I can't wait for the season to start if the decision is to move, because then maybe we will see some venom in the protests and make the gobshites who are doing this feel uncomfortable and hated.
What relevence does another club have to do with our situation?Nothing, because a Blue doesn't give a shit what happens around us! Because if we did we would start acting like Kopites, being too bothered in what United are doing and not concentrating on their own problems.
As for people saying more attendance will mean more money ? why don't we fill Goodison now? Because (I hate saying this) we haven't got enough Blues to fill the stadium or enough passionate Blues who will attend. Or maybe the prices are high now and you think the ticket prices in the new stadium will stay at today's prices? Dream on!
Whether you like or dislike the move, each Everton fan will get hurt ? either by feelings or in the pocket.
We have people here who will support this club through thick and thin. Some are convinced we have been lied to. Others who believe that the Kirkby project is the only way forward. Never have I seen such a divisive subject as this,which threatens to tear this club apart.
I don't know the facts and I doubt we will ever know the whole truth. At the end of the day Everton Football club are admired all over the country for putting in a challenge to the so-called top four. Most people who support football are fed up to the back teeth of the way this game is being run. We have been a threat to the establishment and that has been well received by supporters of other clubs. Where do we go from here?
Do we really want to join the elite and become one of the top five, or the top six if spurs can emulate us? Would Goodison park be an a good place for a team on the up to play? Would Kirkby be good enough? One thing is for sure, at the end of the day each person has their opinion and I am sure they will support this team to the end. Wether they go to the match or not, they still have the right to call themselves supporters.
I don't know what will happen if Kirkby goes ahead, but I am willing to give it a go. As for people who choose not to attend, that is their deciscion. But would they come to Kirkby to watch the blues play in a Uefa Cup semi or a Champions League semi? Would the success of the team draw supporters back?
Ok, let's get to the point of this letter. I believe we are at a crossroads not only because of Kirkby but also the team on the pitch. The lack of signjngs plus insignificant pre-season performances and injuries could be another factor that decides the future of this club.
I love all you Evertonians wether you are pro-Kirkby or anti. You are the lifeblood of this club. You have cried tears of joy and tears of despair. You are what this club stands for. Nothing but the best will ever do and you are the best.
One thing that is certain in all this, no matter what shit Mr Ross or anyone else spouts, and that is we wont die if Kirkby did fall through, a plan B would appear within weeks and all that safety ticket shit is scaremongering. This has just been done so wrong and no matter what these people shout, hundreds of years of Evertonia will be killed if we move through people not going anymore. They are devastated ? is that the right way the most important decision in our history should of been done? By splitting the fanbase in two and losing people who bleed blue blood? Shame on you, Mr Bradley and Mr Kenwright.
I voted YES to Kirkby but I do understand the arguments on both sides but if the move gets passed what has that got to do with the players! That is who we go and watch every fortnight.
As for LCC what have they ever done for our club? Nothing, that's what; they had their chance to do something when DK came about and all?s they have done is fall over themselves for LFC so I cannot blame the club for not co-operating with them! In an ideal world, Everton would stay with a new ground in the city and everyone would be happy, but it has come to this scenario and there is nothing we can do about it as we will die if we stay at goodison and you all know it!
As for people saying this is their last season and so on, why are you going now! At the end of the day as I said before, we go and support the TEAM!! So, if you all feel this way, don?t go this season or next. If it goes tits up in Kirkby then fine ? you will be proved right , but by staying away from the game you will do as much to kill the club as anyone. If you all love EFC like you say you do, wake up and smell the coffee!
I am most concerned that this stadium will be a run-of-the-mill shit heap with no atmosphere, no history, no style and the whole match day experience will be shite as well as costing more to attend.
Why will we die?
I just give up when I hear utter crap like that, over a century in the place, two world wars, relegations, Euro bans... and we will die because we need a new Bullens Road stand.
LCC have been a large blame in this but when you ask what have they done for us they bent over backwards delaying dates so Billy Bullshit could find his ringfenced money. I respect your decision by the way but believing the words of compulsive liars is beyond me.
And as for the red shite, you are right: sod them, but I work with them and it's getting harder and harder to win an arguement with them. That banner at the derby did hurt me inside too and I won't apologise for that. I just give up shouting and repeating myself, I am gutted I just hope I am proven wrong; sadly, I don't think I will be.
Ok we get it, you won’t renew your season ticket and the board should be sacked etc etc. Why do you feel the need to tell people about it?
It’s the same names again and again, "I have been a season ticket holder for X amount of years etc" So what?
You’re not going, fair enough why do you need to broadcast it?
If you have a problem with the issue they are posting about, address that issue ? but please do not challenge the reason for their posting if that is all you can come up with. It is not acceptable and I will take steps this time if you continue.
Many of the posts that express a negative view of DK appear to be longstanding season ticket holders who are simply sickened by the lies and subterfuge that have characterised the whole shoddy affair. If you want to go to DK that?s fine, I have no argument with you but I don?t need a lecture from some young pup about how middle aged blues are being selfish by not attending anymore. The old laggards like me have put our stint in renewing season tickets back in the halcyon days of the early 80?s in the middle of a massive recession. (Check out the attendances then). At the end of the day it is a personal choice, for some watching Everton will continue to mean exactly the same thing as it always has, and for others (like me) it will simply be the end of a love affair.
Did Keith Wyness not say the tesco-dome could be expanded to 60k???
Or was I led to believe this bullshit?
As I said before it is the same names saying they won?t be going so it is simply a rehash of posts that have already run their course.
As the editor of the site and your attitude to the repetative Football Manager type threads, I would have thought the continual repettion of the "Hell No, I won?t go" thread would suffer the same kind of attitude. You even had a go at another poster for posting about the Merchandising, why are the repative posts on not going to Kirkby immune?
Yes it is relevant to the ongoing saga per se but as I mentioned I really can?t see a reason why someone wants to broadcast the fact that they will not be going to follow Everton if we move to Kirkby.
Err the subject of the post invites people to say why they will or wont attend should we go to Kirkby. If you are not interested in the topic, don’t post or even better say something original to add to the debate!
For those who wish to discuss this topic (and there are a number ? see above), they are doing so in generally a civilised and respectful manner... and then you come along spouting your usual line.
And please stop with this "all the usual names" garbage too. Honestly, you are really trying my patience and I warned, you, I will take action if you continue to post this shite.
Personally I think Everton would haver trouble filling a 40,000-seater ground, and my fear is, as time goes on, we?d have trouble filling a 35,000-seater. Still, that will only proved, one way or another, in the future. For me, Everton should be in Walton, if that's not possible, then at least in Liverpool. What Kenwright and Leahy have done will, in my humble opinion, split the club wide open. Hope I?m wrong.
I won?t be going to the new stadium in Kirkby. Whether that's childish or not, I don?t know. All I can say is, I feel that this crew have ripped the heart out of my club.
Does this mean that after all these dummy spitters give up on the club this web site can return to being what I presume it was meant to be.
A forum of Everton SUPPORTERS.
I have thought about not attending should it come off; however, I love this club too much to not support it, regardless of where we play our home games. Everton Football Club is in my blood and I do not think, in fact I know, when push comes to shove, supporting Everton is the most important thing to me, no matter what.
If it happens I shall attend the ?Teso Dome? or whatever it will be called because Everton means so much to me regardless. Everton Football Club lives on no matter what happens, we cannot let this decision kill us. NSNO.
Just checked the list of so called "usual suspects" I didn't recognise half of them. 95% of the people who say they won't go haven't commented on this thread.
That said, you half have a point, but to make a ballanced point you would then have to ask other things such as,
Why do people who voted Yes, continually point the finger at LCC? They talk like its some sort of act of revenge "they?ve done nothing for us, we?ll show them".
FFS this council may not even be the council by the time we move and die!
Michael's right of course, no one poster can decide what other people have to say, but I?ll try to answer your question anyway.
As with any group, the people within that group usually want to try to guage how strong they are. Strong enough to protest? Strong enough even to overturn the decision? this kind of talk isn't just on TW, it's in the pubs, the street, the workplace etc . . .
I wont accept we are dead until they bulldozers have moved in at GP. Some people, if you read their post?s are actually grieving already, you have to allow them to do that. Others - like me - arent ready to go quietly just yet, so I?m afraid your stuck with us for a while.
I’d keep that champaigne on ice if I was you
These so-called Evertonians wont be missed
Brian, my heart goes out to you to have to tell your son you will not be taking him the match any more. I hope he understands your reason behind this decision.
As someone who will never set foot inside any ground in Kirkby CALLING ITSELF ’Everton FC’, can I say I’ll just never be able to be a true blue like you and your mate Tony.
Blues prepared to follow and make excuses for PROVEN bullshitters.
Blues prepared to allow Everton Football Club to be moved outside of the city they’ve been in for 130 years, to a shopping centre in a TOWN.
Blues prepared to allow the phrase "One City One Team" to be shouted at them and their kids/grandkids for the next 100 years by Norwegian Reds.
Blues prepared to sit in a soulless two-bob, pre-fab ground, convincing themselves they’re still watching Everton.
Blues prepared to spend 45 mins walking from their car to the ground.
Blues prepared to wait an hour and a half for a train home after the game.
If Evertonians against all this are ’so called Evertonians’ then I’m the biggest ’so-called’ one of all.
COYAFCB!
The sad fact is that there are no alternatives. It would not be practical to re-develop Goodison, and Liverpool City Council have provided absolutly no suitable sites within the City boundaries, nor look likely to in the future. The possible location at Bestway Cash and Carry was always a non starter, the area would not even accomodate Tranmere Rovers.
EFC do need to move on and provide a modern world class stadium with suitable facilities. The majority of teams in the premier league do have excellent stadiums. Whilst the Kirkby Stadium will it be outside the city boundary, it wil be only 1 mile.
However sick I shall feel when the news is announced, the one thing that will cement my opposition to the scheme and ensure that I will NEVER set foot in the Tescodrome is for David Moyes to announce that approval of the move has finally persuaded him to put pen to paper on a new contract.
Now I know he may not be telling the truth as I believe his bond with the Club and its followers ? to say nothing of a well deserved £6M a year salary ? will be the real reason to stay but all the respect I have for the man will dissipate if he allows himself to be manipulated over this issue.
So PLEASE, Davey don`t do it ! To so many of us you are the last beacon of truth and integrity in the morass that Everton FC has become. Don`t take that last bit of our veneration away, I beg you!


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