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Kilfoyle strikes again
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Sadly, it seems that Liverpool Walton MP Peter Kilfoyle is not content with only writing an ill-informed letter to Baroness Andrews in support of Destination Kirkby.
I have heard from a Parliamentary source that he has also been lobbying other MPs based in neighbouring boroughs attempting to gain their support for the project alongside Knowsley South?s Eddie O?Hara and Knowsley North/Sefton East?s George Howarth.
Why is an MP actively seeking to relocate a business that brings in £9million per annum to the area out of his constituency?
To any of his constituents, it may well be worth contacting him for answers!
Website: PeterKilfoyle.com
Email: kilfoylep@parliament.uk
James McRae, Posted 22/07/2008 at 20:39:09
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Might the fact the DK development is just 400 yards from his constituency boundary and the fact LFC are about to build a 73,000 seater in the heart of his constituency (and closer to Goodison) be a reason he?s not that particularly bothered about us moving? I?m trying to look at it from his point of view. He probably thinks the new bigger LFC will be bigger and more of a nuisance to Walton/Anfield residents than the old LFC/EFC and their smaller capacities put together. Time to spread the match day crowds/parking/upheavel around the region a bit more maybe? Just a thought. [Posted as "Tom Baynesg"]
I reckon its that tory kopite Tarbuck, Kilfoyle gagged and tied up somewhere.
Evertonian Kilfoyle on Liverpool FC.
?I am very irked by the American owners of Liverpool F.C. My concern is not with the club itself ? it is a private company, and perhaps a headache for its supporters. However, my worries are for a large slice of the Walton constituency affected by its stadium plans?
Evertonian Kilfoyle on Everton FC.
"Most of its turnover goes into the wallets of the highly paid players and staff. I do not see too many of them shopping down County Road, or buying their homes in Liverpool 4. I suspect that for most (supporters), their concerns revolve around meeting their mates in the same pub for each home game. I understand that (and the concerns of publicans). But it will not help the club finance itself, and it does nothing to rejuvenate the area. The truth is that many residents will be glad to see the club move"
I suggest with ’Evertonians’ like Kilfoyle, who needs Kopites?
?I am very irked by the American owners of Liverpool F.C. My concern is not with the club itself ? it is a private company, and perhaps a headache for its supporters. However, my worries are for a large slice of the Walton constituency affected by its stadium plans?
Evertonian Kilfoyle on Everton FC.
"Most of its turnover goes into the wallets of the highly paid players and staff. I do not see too many of them shopping down County Road, or buying their homes in Liverpool 4. I suspect that for most (supporters), their concerns revolve around meeting their mates in the same pub for each home game. I understand that (and the concerns of publicans). But it will not help the club finance itself, and it does nothing to rejuvenate the area. The truth is that many residents will be glad to see the club move"
I suggest with ’Evertonians’ like Kilfoyle, who needs Kopites?
If we go to Kirkby a lot of people who work in the retail sector in and around County Road will loose their livelihoods. So, due to his actions over the ground move, when the next general election comes round, I wouldn?t be surprise if his Parliamentary career is finished.
EJ; One is staying and expanding, the other is moving out. There is no inconsistency.
Peter - where did I mention inconsistency?
I simply put HIS comments and expressed my opinion on him as an Evertonian (ie: a SHITE Evertonian)
The clue was ’Evertonian’ Kilfoyle
However as you raise the subject of inconsistency, I would add that it is also my opinion, that for Kilfoyle to fight, as he undeniably has, for DK (a development that will take jobs from the constituency he was elected to serve) is CERTAINLY politically inconsistent
It must be gratifying for Kilfoyle not only having people quick to come to his defense, but prepared to defend him against accusations that were never actually made.
I simply put HIS comments and expressed my opinion on him as an Evertonian (ie: a SHITE Evertonian)
The clue was ’Evertonian’ Kilfoyle
However as you raise the subject of inconsistency, I would add that it is also my opinion, that for Kilfoyle to fight, as he undeniably has, for DK (a development that will take jobs from the constituency he was elected to serve) is CERTAINLY politically inconsistent
It must be gratifying for Kilfoyle not only having people quick to come to his defense, but prepared to defend him against accusations that were never actually made.
EJ:
Forgive me, but there is an implication in your post that he is being inconsistent ( ie complaining about the RS moving whilst being happy to see the back end of EFC ). You may have dressed it up as criticism of his EFC credentials but that is not how I read it. On the subject of what I thought you were criicising him for, I still see no inconsistency. Knowsley borders his constituency (contrary to popular belief Kirkby is not on the moon). Ergo, his constituents get the best of both worlds. As their MP surely his first concern is his constituents not EFC- unless of course you subscribe to the view that MPs should allow personal interests to get in the way of sound constituency business.In short, he is doing his job.
Forgive me, but there is an implication in your post that he is being inconsistent ( ie complaining about the RS moving whilst being happy to see the back end of EFC ). You may have dressed it up as criticism of his EFC credentials but that is not how I read it. On the subject of what I thought you were criicising him for, I still see no inconsistency. Knowsley borders his constituency (contrary to popular belief Kirkby is not on the moon). Ergo, his constituents get the best of both worlds. As their MP surely his first concern is his constituents not EFC- unless of course you subscribe to the view that MPs should allow personal interests to get in the way of sound constituency business.In short, he is doing his job.
Kilfoyle is a fool. I?m being kind in words here, what I?d really like to write about him I won?t, for the sake of the younger readers and ladies.
This man goes on about Walton/Everton, yet on the other side of Stanley Park, he makes no reference. As MP for the area, why doesn?t he tell Liverpool to fuck off to the outskirts as Anfield businesses must not make money the same as Walton businesses. Don?t forget a public park used by both Anfield and Walton youngsters and ordinary people has been affected.
Reading his comments over the last days has proved to me that the man is an arrogant fool who?s so safe in his seat at Westminster that he can say what he likes. As a resident in his constituency and any other in his constituency. We must show this fool the door at the next time of voting.
This man goes on about Walton/Everton, yet on the other side of Stanley Park, he makes no reference. As MP for the area, why doesn?t he tell Liverpool to fuck off to the outskirts as Anfield businesses must not make money the same as Walton businesses. Don?t forget a public park used by both Anfield and Walton youngsters and ordinary people has been affected.
Reading his comments over the last days has proved to me that the man is an arrogant fool who?s so safe in his seat at Westminster that he can say what he likes. As a resident in his constituency and any other in his constituency. We must show this fool the door at the next time of voting.
Why is he so safe in his constituency?
Peter, you say..
"You may have dressed it up as criticism of his EFC credentials but that is not how I read it"
Well, with the best will in the world, I hope you’ll agree that I can’t be held responsible for how you read or interpret things (I’m not saying you have an agenda, but you wouldn’t be the first)
I have in other posts dealt with other aspects of how the MP conducts his political business (and as in the case of Kirkby, the political business of others!).
However I believe my line ’With Evertonians like this, who needs Kopites" can only be taken as me thinking as a blue, he’s shite.
(I also suggest that only someone very ..um..’Kilfoyle-sensitive’, could interpret it any other way)
Further on you continue..
"Knowsley borders his constituency (contrary to popular belief Kirkby is not on the moon ).Ergo, his constituents get the best of both worlds"
My first response to this can’t be articulated with words.
http://www.featurepics.com/StockPictures/Business-Man-Black-Background-694992.aspx
My second response is to ask the following question.
Are we still talking about Walton and Kirkby?
You finish with "In short, he is doing his job"
Really?
So presumably, you believe the job of the elected member of parliament for Walton, is to push for a development in the town of Kirkby. A development that will have a negative effect on jobs and businesses in...Walton.
I’m not taking the piss, I’m genuinely curious to see what you think the job ’he’s doing’ is supposed to be
"You may have dressed it up as criticism of his EFC credentials but that is not how I read it"
Well, with the best will in the world, I hope you’ll agree that I can’t be held responsible for how you read or interpret things (I’m not saying you have an agenda, but you wouldn’t be the first)
I have in other posts dealt with other aspects of how the MP conducts his political business (and as in the case of Kirkby, the political business of others!).
However I believe my line ’With Evertonians like this, who needs Kopites" can only be taken as me thinking as a blue, he’s shite.
(I also suggest that only someone very ..um..’Kilfoyle-sensitive’, could interpret it any other way)
Further on you continue..
"Knowsley borders his constituency (contrary to popular belief Kirkby is not on the moon ).Ergo, his constituents get the best of both worlds"
My first response to this can’t be articulated with words.
http://www.featurepics.com/StockPictures/Business-Man-Black-Background-694992.aspx
My second response is to ask the following question.
Are we still talking about Walton and Kirkby?
You finish with "In short, he is doing his job"
Really?
So presumably, you believe the job of the elected member of parliament for Walton, is to push for a development in the town of Kirkby. A development that will have a negative effect on jobs and businesses in...Walton.
I’m not taking the piss, I’m genuinely curious to see what you think the job ’he’s doing’ is supposed to be
EJ,
1. That?s the trouble with writing something:someone reads it and puts an interpretation on it ? it was ever thus!
2. In response to my earlier post you said you were attacking him as an Evertonian ? yet you now go on to attack him on other fronts.
3. I hold no brief for him or indeed any politician but I am against him being gratuitously criticised. Surely his own constituents have the best remedy.
4. On inconsistency,why is it ok for Sefton BC et al to "interfere" in the business of another LA to protect their interests but not for a (longstanting) MP to do likewise?
1. That?s the trouble with writing something:someone reads it and puts an interpretation on it ? it was ever thus!
2. In response to my earlier post you said you were attacking him as an Evertonian ? yet you now go on to attack him on other fronts.
3. I hold no brief for him or indeed any politician but I am against him being gratuitously criticised. Surely his own constituents have the best remedy.
4. On inconsistency,why is it ok for Sefton BC et al to "interfere" in the business of another LA to protect their interests but not for a (longstanting) MP to do likewise?
Peter you say..
"1. That?s the trouble with writing something:someone reads it and puts an interpretation on it-it was ever thus !"
Well...yes, quite!
You continue..
"2. In response to my earlier post you said you were attacking him as an Evertonian-yet you now go on to attack him on other fronts"
Well yes but the word ’now’ is key.
Different posts you see and though I DID post an attack him ’politically’ in my SECOND post, this was only responding to YOU praising his political performance.
I attacked him as an Evertonian, you decided it was a political attack, suggested he’s doing ’his job’, I responded disagreeing and am now accused of a political attack?
How am I supposed to disagree that he’s ’doing his job’ AND GIVE MY REASONS, without it being considered a ’political attack’? (clue: I can’t - it’s impossible).
My only other alternative is not to counter your argument, and therefore to concede (and this, believe me, is NOT an option...ever!)
In your third point, you say..
"I hold no brief for him or indeed any politician but I am against him being gratuitously criticised. Surely his own constituents have the best remedy"
You see now I’m suspicious.
Gratutitously!?
Posting "Kilfoyle is a shifty twat" - without any argument to back it up - THAT would be gratuitous.
But that is not what I have (EVER) posted.
You don’t have to agree with my interpretation of Kilfoyle as an Evertonian (or a politician), but don’t give me that ’gratuitously’ nonsense just because you see things differently.
I ALWAYS give my reasons
And you know something else?
For someone who doesn’t really ’hold a brief for him’, you REALLY seem to..well..hold a brief for him.
Your last point, well sorry but you really let yourself down. You say..
"4.On inconsistency,why is it ok for Sefton BC et al to "interfere" in the business of another LA to protect their interests but not for a (longstanting ) MP to do likewise ?"
I’m (genuinely) not sure what you’re saying here.
If you’re saying what I think you might saying, my answer is simply this.
It’s NOT ok and two wrongs don’t make a right.
"1. That?s the trouble with writing something:someone reads it and puts an interpretation on it-it was ever thus !"
Well...yes, quite!
You continue..
"2. In response to my earlier post you said you were attacking him as an Evertonian-yet you now go on to attack him on other fronts"
Well yes but the word ’now’ is key.
Different posts you see and though I DID post an attack him ’politically’ in my SECOND post, this was only responding to YOU praising his political performance.
I attacked him as an Evertonian, you decided it was a political attack, suggested he’s doing ’his job’, I responded disagreeing and am now accused of a political attack?
How am I supposed to disagree that he’s ’doing his job’ AND GIVE MY REASONS, without it being considered a ’political attack’? (clue: I can’t - it’s impossible).
My only other alternative is not to counter your argument, and therefore to concede (and this, believe me, is NOT an option...ever!)
In your third point, you say..
"I hold no brief for him or indeed any politician but I am against him being gratuitously criticised. Surely his own constituents have the best remedy"
You see now I’m suspicious.
Gratutitously!?
Posting "Kilfoyle is a shifty twat" - without any argument to back it up - THAT would be gratuitous.
But that is not what I have (EVER) posted.
You don’t have to agree with my interpretation of Kilfoyle as an Evertonian (or a politician), but don’t give me that ’gratuitously’ nonsense just because you see things differently.
I ALWAYS give my reasons
And you know something else?
For someone who doesn’t really ’hold a brief for him’, you REALLY seem to..well..hold a brief for him.
Your last point, well sorry but you really let yourself down. You say..
"4.On inconsistency,why is it ok for Sefton BC et al to "interfere" in the business of another LA to protect their interests but not for a (longstanting ) MP to do likewise ?"
I’m (genuinely) not sure what you’re saying here.
If you’re saying what I think you might saying, my answer is simply this.
It’s NOT ok and two wrongs don’t make a right.
EJ
I suppose we will just have to disagree. Best leave him to his constituents but please trust me when I say that I have no connection with him whatsoever.
I suppose we will just have to disagree. Best leave him to his constituents but please trust me when I say that I have no connection with him whatsoever.
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