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AJ - should he stay or should he go?
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Why he should go:?
- If all of our players are fit, we have 4 Premier League strikers. Yakubu partnerned by Cahill is an awesome partnership, and Vaughan and Anichebe should be by now ready to be 3rd and 4th choice.
- Selling him would bring much needed cash
- He lacks finishing power
- He's one of the fastest player in the Premier League. Pace creates space.
- In a 4-4-2, with proper passing CMs who can make quick through-balls, he could be a deadly striker.
- Cahill and Vaughan are often injured.
- Yakubu and Johnson can be a good partnership if only we have proper CMs
Amin Azman, Posted 23/07/2008 at 02:34:43
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Vaughan and Cahill missing the start of the season? Down to one striker? What a wonderful idea to sell him.
Darren Bent? Don?t make me laugh.
We bought Johnson for £8.6M a few seasons ago. We bought the Yak the last year for £11.25M and I think most of us would agree that the Yak is streets ahead of Johnson in terms of his all-round link up play, his finishing, and his physical stature.
I think its dawned on Moyes that £10M+ for Johnson would be good money; not to mention that he's probably not of the quality we need if we have top 4 aspirations. I?d wager Moyes has determined he can bring in a better player for the same money.
His pace adds an extra dimension to the game, that makes it enjoyable to watch. He keeps pressuring the keepers on EVERY occasion, just never stops.
Unless some super hero striker comes in to replace him, he should not be going anywhere!
IF he gets his injuries sorted, his confidence back, he’ll kill them. Please don’t sell him Moysey :(
AJ is a good player and I reckon he’ll find his form in a 4-4-2 with at least 1 better provider in midfield. 31 goals from AJ and Yak last year is not bad, so I’d like them to get another chance this year to see what they can do as a partnership, with an improved midfield behind them.
Don’t forget that he was asked to play in a 4-5-1 for quite a few of his starts last season and he’s not made for that formation.
1. He lacks a good first touch, which is everything in the premier league
2. Lacks a powerful shot
3. Never looks in control of the ball when running with it
4. Injury- prone
5. Too lightweight.
We could use the money to purchase 2 strikers who can score twice as many goals
I don?t think Johnson?s happy on the bench either so good luck to him, thanks, but it didn?t work out.
If we can get this supposed 11m for him - let him go.
We could bring in Diego Milito who?s been touted around for 7m as well as Nikola Zigic who?s apparently available for 4m.
Milito?s got an amazing scoring record : more than a goal every 2 games in both in Spanish and Italian football, a dozen or so Argentina caps and has been captain at all 3 of his previous clubs so clearly a good man to have on the pitch.
Zigic is 6?7½" so if Van der Meyde?s going to be playing this season, he?d be a perfect target for some quality crosses. Just checked and he?s scored 204 in 292 club matches (albeit mainly in Serbia) aswell as 21 goals in 29 internationals...
AJ works his arse off and can?t be blamed for not slotting into our recent tactics as well as others might - but if there?s a chance of bringing in this sort of replacement, he?s got to go for the good of the team...
If he goes we lose his pace and alround team play, however it will hopefully put an end to the hopeful punt into the corners for him to chase, we will be forced to actually play football.
His goal scoring record is still good considering his time out with injuries and the Yak being on fire.
I just don?t know, I will miss him and to be honest don?t want him to go but can understand the reasons why if he does.
Obviously Moyes has someone lined up as a replacement..... fingers crossed.
Rather, he?s in the Alan Shearer mould ? relying on strength more than speed, good in the air, rocket of a shot, great positioning and subliminal finishing...
Reckon he?d slot in to the English game nicely and having just turned 29 last month, has another 3/4 good years ahead of him...
The problem with Johnson is that his real ability is his pace. He will always be fast, but once he loses half-a-yard he?ll be a shadow of his former self.
In the next couple of years he?ll probably lose some of that pace and then what as he got - a dreadful first touch & a schoolboy physique.
In fact, judging on last year?s performances, I am not sure he hasn?t lost something already. I know he works hard (in a headless chicken sort of way), but to often he reacts too late to the situation developing.
At Cambridge, he never looked like scoring despite having a couple of one on ones with the keeper. His confidence has obviously gone, but even at his best he?s not a natural goal scorer.
Decision would depend on the quality of replacements. Don’t sell if it’s just to balance the books. Players come and go, don’t fret about it lads and lasses. COYB
However, if Fulham genuinely are interested I hope DM is considering bringing Jimmy Bullard in the opposite direction and getting a few million on top to add to the kitty. Bullard would be a great addition to our midfield.
I know AJ wasn?t brilliant last year, but can anyone honestly see us bringing in a replacement as good as or better than him for a reasonable price, I can?t. If we must sell him make sure we get every penny we can get and sell to the highest bidder and if Fulham don?t cough up tell them to do one! By the way, to the people that want AJ to go who do they think we should buy?
As someone else said Anichebe off to the Olympics, Cahill and Vaughan still recovering from injury prone and well to be honest, injury prone, the Yak better be prepared to play 60 games. On price alone, it would be a good deal for us, but the thought of losing yet another player makes me angry. We never replaced McFadden, and I doubt that money is included in this summer?s transfer budget, who?s to say this money would either?
Also if he goes, I believe the reasons for selling will not be the ’right’ reasons (ie: rather than DM - WHO BOUGHT HIM - deciding he’s not good enough, it’ll be something iffy to do with how the Everton’s finances are ’run’)
So if the Fulham move is real, AND DM does have someone lined up, it may well happen. That makes the odds very long in my estimation.
Thing is I wouldn’t want to take that chance as tiny Tim and Vaughan probably will get injured.
His all round game isn?t actually good enough for me. It?s no good having pace if you don?t have the intelligence and ability to read passes to go with it. Johnson lacked technique and had a tendency to lose the ball in advanced positions. He was also one dimensional and to get the best out of him you?ve have to play to one style which again didn?t suit us. Being a squad player he should be able to come in and adapt to our tactics and he never really did that.
If he is to leave then I?m confident Moyes has someone lined up. He?s isn?t stupid, he knows he?s weakening his squad and getting someone in is key. Moyes won?t start the season with one first team striker, it just won?t happen.
AJ leaving is probably funding our possible move for Moutinho. For that reason alone we should sell. Moutinho is a potential world class talent, would improve a weak area in our team and could be the player to push us on a level. He?s a class act and reading into the press in Portugal everything seems to be looking positive. From the little Portuguese I can understand we?ve offered 20-25 million Euros for him, we?ve offered 5-year deal with "favourable" wages and he wants to play in England. We also have Pini Zahavi negotiating the deal which is good as he?s done well for us in the past, he got us Yakubu.
People will be surprised by Moutinho I think. He?s not your typical foreign play maker. He?s hardworking, disciplined and as good at defending as he is attacking. I wouldn?t call him a flair player; he just goes about his job well and keeps everything ticking. He?s like Osman/Pienaar with far more ability. He combines there energy and workrate with better passing skills and the ability to find space, almost Paul Scholes in style. Hopefully we get him.
AJ can go, Cahill can play off the front man and with the money Moyes can bring in a striker capable of scoring goals.
Looks like that’s it then !
Anichebe will never make it as a PL striker in my opinion. Vaughan has yet to prove his undoubted potential due to injuries and Cahill is only just making his comeback. Even than I wouldn?t class him as a striker.
But we?ve been here before haven?t we when Beattie was our only recognised striker? I do hope that Moyes does not take a gamble on the Yak being fit / available for the whole 50 plus matches. It?s far too much.
Conclusion: move him on if we?ve got a replacement.
We paid £8.6m for him 2 years ago, since then he’s become a fringe England player, but his form has dipped sharply - add to that the fact that we’re about to sell him for a £2m profit and I’d say it was a good return; simple as that.
Could this be the end of MOYES as well, as he’s not signed a new contract yet!!!
I think its good buisness getting £10+ million for AJ, don't get me wrong ? he works is socks of for the team but he just doesn't do the buisness goals-wise... I mean, 6 Premier League goals last season just isn't good enough, even Tiny Tim scored more than that and he isnt even an out-and-out striker ? and how many games did he miss through injury?! Also, what about Lescott, he?s a defender and even he got himself in to better goalscoring positons to put away his chances last season!
Everton are a team that's improving all the time and unfortunately AJ isn't; offers of £10+ million from clubs like Fulham need to be snatched at! If selling AJ means bringing in the likes of Moutinho, Milito, M?Bia or Fernandes then we?ve got to be happy with that; at least 3 of them are of real quality. M?Bia i dont know anything about because I've never seen him play but if we bring in the other 3 quality players for the sake of AJ then it can only be good for the club!
Are we back to being a selling club? Where has all the money gone from Sky, the McFadden deal, and finishing 5th in the League. We are going to have the smallest squad in the Premier League!!
AJ did a reasonable job over the last two years, but will be replaced by a striker with greater quality to take us forward.
He suits mid-table teams and will do a job ? hence Fulham, Wigan and West Ham show an interest ? but why no interest from the so called big 3? Because he?s not at theat level!
Good price, good luck and good bye.
Why sell one of our better players? Do you really think we will replace him with better quality? So what is the point?
Fuck Kirkby off to save money.
I love AJ to bits, because he wears his heart on his sleeve and works his arse off, but thats all hes become, a workhorse! He cant finish and only ever really delivers against poor teams! (except the derby haha)
I trust DM to take this club forward and a replacement striker will come in! Lets go get Bent, Moutinho, Fernandes and a decent holding Midfielder, whoever that my be ive lost track of the names!!!!
Please stop writing rubbish like the club have sold him under DM’s nose, hes on the brink of sigining the biggest contract in EFC management history, and rightly so, he deserves it and isnt going anywhere so do you think they’d be daft enough to sell him without consulting him!!
People seemed happy to see McFadden go to Birmingham for £6M - but when we were struggling with injuries towards the end of the season we could certainly have done with him.
I am also a bit disappointed at how quickly some of the fans have turned against him. Yes last season wasn?t a great goal return for AJ - but I think injuries had more than a little something to do with that. Duncan Ferguson was often injured - but we never seemed to hold that against him and his goal return could?ve been better - again people rightly saw that his game was about more than goals scored. So it is with Johnson - there is more to his game than just goals.Given time he could have become another "Everton legend".
I just hope that he doesn?t come back to haunt us - and we don?t come to regret selling him - in the same way we were made to regret not signing Brian McBride when we had the chance.
Cant see Moyes being too pissed off - wasnt it Kenwright who was behind the contract extension last year?
What I prefer to hear. Still all just a bunch of paper trash!! :)
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/no-aj-deal-agreed.html
And why not give an explanation as to why he didnt play?? Very suspicious, its cruel to Everton fans if the news is simply meant to increase his selling price and interest from other clubs!!?
We dare not be left with only three, especially with the UEFA Cup, FA Cup, and Carling Cup games take place before the next transfer window opens.
Vaughany just needs to stay fit a while, the lads got a lot to offer.
AJ leaving would be good business - especially if we have someone else lined up (though I doubt we do!)
I would also guarantee that if we had a midfield who could slot a ball through now & again we would see the best of AJ. Now is not the time to be selling.
Fickle shower you lot, we we’re crying out for a striker with pace, now we have one. Its not AJs fault if he asked to chase up & down all day. His confidence took a knock last year, injuries, dropped from England setup not first choice at us. He has now realised he wont get back up there until he knuckles down and starts scoring again. Top lad & very good player. DONT SELL
I like AJ a lot, but I think the figures being quoted are too good to ignore. We need more class in midfield and £10m will help solve that problem a lot. AJ is our second striker, we can get someone to sit on the bench and come on later in the game for a lot less than £10m.
He’s a very hard player to create for, one dimensional is a key word really.
Darren Bent isn’t lazy at all, I’ve spoken to Spurs fans who say he’s a good worker and Charlton liked him. He’s greedy yes but the best strikers are. He certainly scores goals which is a strikers job. He’d be an excellent replacement. He’s just as quick, better on the ball, stronger and better in the air. He’s an upgrade on AJ really.
I don’t see what’s wrong with fans wanting to sell to get better players in. If AJ’s money is going to finance us signing Moutinho them I’m all for it.
AJ for me has been inconsistent since his purple patch at the start of his Everton career. I didn’t rate him much at Palace either, nothing fickle about it really.
If this is true then I would sell as both players mentioned have more to their game than AJ.
The derby game following the rout of the other side of Stanley Park was a flash in the pan and despite a few eyecatching performance has not lived up to expectations.
I for one will not shed any tears at his departure.
Why I made refernce to his confidence in my earlier post was because if you remember back to last year his touch was never in question, not once! With the knocks about his diving, being dropped from england & not being our no.1 anymore I reckon that has shaken his confidence which affects his touch amongst other things.
I read earlier he has a weak shot? nonsense did you not see his goal against Brann last year. It just seems that like a lot of other things on here, people jump on the bandwagon (remember the moyes apologists shite) of what a few people say. During last pre-season we were all made up when Moyes come out & said we wont be bidding for Owen cos we have a player of similar ilk who he thinks is better (AJ).
Even if he’s not first choice, why sell him? We are short of pace in the team an you all wanna sell him and get in some spick shithouse whos never played Enlish football or a lazy get, with a load of atttitude who hasnt exactly shone playing for a team on a similar level to us.
If he was to go, I’d want a proven premiership player linedup in his place & there are not that many around. So why would one of the smallest squads in the prem sell one of theier better players???
Coupled to the fact that NO-ONE HAS BID FOR HIM ANYWAY...........fickle fans, spouting off again!
"The England international travelled to Deepdale with the rest of Everton?s squad for last night?s 1-0 win over Preston North End but was not included in either the starting line-up or among the substitutes".
Makes sense I suppose.
Fulham probably said "he’s no good to us a year from today if he’s ’friendly-tied’".
Here all week.
Our squad is already decimated, plus he is now fully fit after 2 injury-plagued seasons. As the quickest player in the Prem, he can create space for others.
Also, note nearly all his goals last season scored away from home, many on the counter attack. We won more away games last season than any season since 1985. AJ?s pace and goals had a bit to do with that.
I heard a rumour, AJ was being sold to help buy some steel for the new Tesco dome.
Johnson for me has been found out, defenders have cottoned onto his game and he?s failed to adapt or vary his play. Other than running into space he offers nothing bar a good workrate. He lacks intelligence as a player, he has enough creativity behind him in Arteta, Fernandes, Osman and Pienaar. All creative players who can pass a ball. There not perfect but they are capable and there?s alot worse in the Premier League.
What?s the point in having pace if your not going to think and be intellgent. Robbie Keane isn?t quick, he doesn?t play behind a creative midfielder either but he has the intelligence to read passes and score the goals. Even the mighty Marcus Bent could read a through ball. AJ doesn?t play off the shoulder of the defender, he plays wide inbetween the fullback and the centre half and that where he gets the ball.
Just blaming the midfield is wrong, AJ is his own player and should adapt to fit our team. He hasn?t and he could be leaving.
If he hasn?t got big enough shoulders to take abuse then he isn?t good enough for Everton. The top strikers take it on the chin and get on with it. It?s not like he?s ever been made a boo boy by the crowd, not a chance he?s been supported right the way thorugh. Players like Hibbert and Neville should have low confidence because they are actually treated badly by 40,000 people every week. About two people have called AJ a diver and all of a sudden it?s a big deal.
His lack of confidence has nothing to do with his first touch. He?s always had a dodgy touch and always will do. I said when people where going on about the AJ-Beattie combo that it wouldn?t work because they both lack technique and the ability to hold up the ball. I seemed to have been proven right to be honest.
He?s an average player and at £11 million it would be stupid not to sell. Realistically he?s worth around £7 million. He?s a squad player and if someone offers £11 million for a squad player you?d be stupid not to take it.
People jump on the bandwagon? I don?t blame them to be honest. Considering he cost £9 million you want more than 10 and 12 goals a season.
See ya later, Stuart Barlow the 2nd!!!!
The main defence for him is that he works hard, and that says it all. Hard work is not enough at the highest level. His finishing is not that great, he reacts slowly to gaps in the defence and seems to prefer exploiting the gap between CB and full back. This leads to him ending up near the corner flag where he is next to useless, as he can’t cross or hold up the ball well.
Use the money to bring in Milito, or try and prise Keane away from Tottenham.
For a striker not to be able to finish when one on one with a keeper or to be able to strike the ball with any power is a joke.
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If AJ had no pace he would be competely useless - no good to anyone. The only thing he gives our team is an outlet for our piss poor passes out of defence.
17 goals in 61 apperences, and he scored 6 in his first 6 games.... this is less returns than Joleon Lescott gives us and he plays as a defender.
You just cannot justify AJ?s inclusion in any team hoping to crack the big 3.
Gimme a striker who can.. errrr... score goals??? PLEASE
Arteta was injured for most of last season and as a consequence was not performing as he normally does. Fernandes did not perform nearly as well as when we had him last time. Man City?
Osman, possibly due for a long stint on the bench if we get the players mentioned. Pienaar, the only person, I believe, to come out and say that he was glad AJ was staying. It will also work wonderfully well with Bent. We already have a striker who knows where the goal is and may be claimed as greedy. It?s a fine idea to get another one isn?t it!
Muppet !!!!!!!
Bent scores goals, he works the channels and he?s decent in the air. He?s greedy in the penalty box and so he should be. Yakubu holds the ball up, he?s strong, he links play, he drifts outwide and he?s composed in the box. Again he scores goals which is what he should do.
I?m a muppet because I want a squad player sold for £11 million? ... fair enough.
Was Arteta injured ? Yes/No Delete as appropriate.
Was Fernandes as good as last time we had him on loan?
Will Osman play as much if we get the players mentioned in this and other threads?
Did Pienaar say that he was glad that AJ was staying?
Is Anichebe going to the Olympics? Leaving us with one fit striker.
Unless of course you get your wish and we sign Darren Bent.
In my humble opinion Darren Bent will be no more effective than Andy Johnson but I hope you are right and I am wrong. Only time will tell.
Anyway, we’ll agree to disagree. You rate him I don’t. On Bent, I’d like him here but It’s really up to Moyes, personally I’m just looking out for Moutinho at the moment. That would be a hell of a signing and would be a real signal of intent. Hopefully it comes off.
Also suspect that the "Tescodome" may be having a larger effect on our spending powers than is being admitted.
I swear some of you are either his mum his dad, his grand parents, cousins, aunts and uncles and even AJ himself because there is no excuse for a man as bereft of ability.
I live 15 minutes from the Valley and I have spent many an afternoon watching Bent single-handedly replicate the Yak. I have also watched him quite a few times at White Hart Lane? we would be lucky to get Bent in at Goodison.
Bent is as quick, as strong, as commanding, as powerful and as dangerous a player as Yakubu. Only someone who doesn?t have width and objectivity to their footballing knowledge would be foolish enough to place AJ in the same bracket as Bent.
Darren Bent is an awesome 4-5-1 player who struggled to adapt to Spurs? multi striker style of play. Is that a bad thing? not for Moyes and a 5 man midfield!
As for the tired excuses I so often hear, I don?t know what football you lot were watching but top table defenders don?t man-mark AJ for fear of his pace and his reputation for diving.
Defenders stand off and close ranks forcing AJ wide. This makes them harder to break down, thus providing less and not more space. Hence the no-hoper hoof ball is in part AJ?s fucking fault!
When the Yak plays, Pienaar, Arteta, Fernandes and even Osman are more involved in the game? It?s called ?intelligent running.?
AJ didn?t earn his reputation for diving at Everton but at Crystal Palace where most of his 21 Premiership goals were penalties (11, seven of which he earned). Since then his career and our loyal supporters have suffered from his? ?honesty.?
So apart from the Paula Radcliffe syndrome of running and chasing lost causes, what else has AJ got in his toolbox? ? I await your response!
I?d be damned if I have to endure another season of tired AJ excuses and multi-player blame shifting in support of someone who can?t even score in 3 consecutive pre seasons, has brought nothing to our game and is second only to Andy vd Meyde in digression.
He?s been found out at a big club; hence the little un?s want him. Believe it or not I like AJ but £10.5 Million pounds sterling ? get ready for a mugging!
Apart from Dave Chappelle that is the best laugh I?ve had all day!
However, we don’t appear to have the funds to afford that luxury, so I believe it would be a good bit of business to ship him out, get someone like Milito in (personally not against a move for Bent either - I reckon he’s got 20 goals in him) hopefully have a bit of change in our pockets to strengthen midfield and susequently have ourselves a stronger squad than we did last season, ready to push the Sky 4 hard!
In the meantime, I’ll just continue sending myself loopy waiting for some proper news that isn’t just bullshit media speculation!


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Cant hit a barn door and lost confidence after penalty incidents and Yak being first choice. Lost his pace too.
Forget having great passes into him--whenever he is through on goal he looks like missing!