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Big Phil signs new 4(!!!) year contract.
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Just read that Phil Neville is delighted to have just signed a new 4 year deal at Everton to keep him here till 2012. I know that nowadays players are playing late into their thirties due to greater / advanced training methods etc ? but a 4 year deal to a 31-year-old? Especially a player, who in my opinion brings little more to the team than Tony Hibbert does at right back and less to the team than I would in centre midfield.
I know Neville has his critics (me being one of them) and his fans - but surely nobody can think he is deserved of a new 4-year deal? Am I missing something?
Adam Gilfillan, Posted 25/07/2008 at 11:39:19
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So Everton have completed a signing at last! Just heard that Captain Fantastic has put pen to paper for another FOUR years! Lucky us, I say, that we have to put up with his one dimentional play and asinine drivel until 2012.
Davey sure knows how to cheer me up but at least it gives Phil time to develop his skills as a midfielder!
Aside from the fact it's another four years for a 31-year-old who is not exactly seen as our leading light, I thought this quote was of interest from Pip;
"When you've got two parties who want the same deal and are happy with each other these things only take a couple of hours.
"I can't understand players who go into negotiations for six months because that tells me that one party involved isn't happy about things."
Does this sentiment apply to managers, because that has been dragged out a little too long for my liking.
Oh well, having Phil Neville on a four year deal is like having a new signing....
The marvellous Phil Neville has put ink to parchment to extend his current contract to 2012. Hurray, it'll be like having a new player - forever.
"Loyalty is a big thing in my life and this is the only club that I want to play for. It's a great club and I want to finish my career here," he said.
Bugger. It's like having a disgusting flatmate who wont move out.
Breaking News! Or so it says on the OS. You see that yellow banner flashing, you think we've finally signed someone only to see that.... oh no... Neville has signed for 4 years.
Can I just ask why we are offering a 31-year- old player a 4-year contract?!! All of the big boys have a policy of only offering 1- or 2-year contracts to over 30s. Phil still has 2 years left on his current deal anyway! I find it incredible. How about signing the gaffer up for a new contract?
Something really smells at Everton. They seem to make a balls up of things at almost every turn as a business. Was it last season when Match of the Day cut to Keith Wyness during a game and he was fast asleep?!!!
All credit for what has happened on the pitch, but that is all down to DM. Part of me thinks that he will get to a point where he feels like he's 'taken us as far as he can' though and, rather than someone coming in to take us on to that next step, it will all start to fall apart. DM really is the glue that's keeping our great club together at the moment.
So, there you have it. The first signing of the summer - Phil Neville.
GREAT !?!
I have sat here pateintly over the closed season waiting for that little bit of hope that we really are an ambitious club who want to improve upon last years performance. Everyday I go on the websites and hope that we have signed someone with that little bit of quality that can move us in the right direction.
Today, i note that we have signed Phil Neville on a 4-year contract, what a complete waste of money, I understood the procedure for anybody over 30 was a 2-year contract with options, so why have we given this poor performer this deal? He is not one for the future, he is a poor captain and overall poor player so fucking why?
Because we have signed fuck all and probably will not sign anyone with any quality, forget the pipe dreams of players arriving for record deals from Benfica, it ain't going to happen. We should sign Manny, but will leave it too late. Put simple a complete fucking shambles!
A few Portuguese websites are saying they expect Everton to make a £16m offer for Moutinho in the next few days. This is coming from his manager who has advised Everton to go in at this price which could rise to £18m.
Oh no... please, Newcastle, come and get him...
Expect Neville to succeed Moyes as manager sometime during those four years.BB looks on him as a brother!
It’ll be like a brand new signing ;-)
4 years? Seriously? That?s a money bonfire. Phil Neville is barely worthy of his shirt at present, let alone in 2 years time and definitely not in 4 years time. Crazy decision.
Some one on here a few days ago posted saying he’s our best captain since the 80’s... and I agree. Nice to have him stay with us... just stick to right back!
See we?ve just signed our new central midfielder then... OH MY GOD!!!
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear!!
I see we?re planning for the future.(Not)
I?m sure he IS delighted at signing a new deal. I?d be ddelighted to if someone was stuffing £30k a week in my arse pocket for being as poor at my job as he is at his.
I see we?re planning for the future.(Not)
I?m sure he IS delighted at signing a new deal. I?d be ddelighted to if someone was stuffing £30k a week in my arse pocket for being as poor at my job as he is at his.
I still cannot equate this in my head:
We let Lee Carsley go for nothing because club policy states we don't sign long term deals with 30-plusses.
We then sign 31-year-old Phil Neville for 4 years?
Either Moyesey is jumping ship and Neville is taking over or there is some serious fucking double standards going on within the walls of Goodison?!!!!
We let Lee Carsley go for nothing because club policy states we don't sign long term deals with 30-plusses.
We then sign 31-year-old Phil Neville for 4 years?
Either Moyesey is jumping ship and Neville is taking over or there is some serious fucking double standards going on within the walls of Goodison?!!!!
IMWT-but sometimes he makes that bloody difficult!
Simon Birdsey: Can I just ask why we are offering a 31-year- old player a 4-year contract?!! All of the big boys have a policy of only offering 1- or 2-year contracts to over 30s
That is exactly my question, Simon and I?m equally mystified by this. Isn?t there a far more important contract sitting on the table unsigned?!
In fact, I agree with Christian Watson. This comes as something of a kick in the nuts at a time when we?re hanging on for some good transfer news. To be honest, I was hoping he?d be shipped out to some newly-promoted side who need an "inspirational" captain.
The only way this is good news is that it?s written into his new deal that he can?t spout any more drivel on the Official Site.
That is exactly my question, Simon and I?m equally mystified by this. Isn?t there a far more important contract sitting on the table unsigned?!
In fact, I agree with Christian Watson. This comes as something of a kick in the nuts at a time when we?re hanging on for some good transfer news. To be honest, I was hoping he?d be shipped out to some newly-promoted side who need an "inspirational" captain.
The only way this is good news is that it?s written into his new deal that he can?t spout any more drivel on the Official Site.
Well, I am happy with him signing for another 4 years. He’s never injured and can play in numerous positions.
In central midfield it was always bad when Carsley & Neville palyed together - no creativity Depending on who we buy, he might even look okay in the defensive midfield berth - you never know!
In central midfield it was always bad when Carsley & Neville palyed together - no creativity Depending on who we buy, he might even look okay in the defensive midfield berth - you never know!
Every day I look on the site in hope of a signing of a player with some magnitude to take us to the next level and every day nothing. Then, today, Phil Neville signs a 4-year deal... why? He still has two years left on his contract, I can't believe it! He is the worst player who has ever put on a blue shirt since1878. All I can say is, were going nowhere this season except to the middle of the table!!!!
Lyndon, you beat me to it on what priority are we working on, like him or not (not in my case) ? he still had two years to run. Davey is now less than a year and yet Phil gets sorted. Maybe it's me but something fishy here.
I?d rather have him at 35 earning what he earns that have Frank Lampard at 36 earning what he wants. I think Nev is good and frankly we have got to be glad to have him because it?s not as if we have a whole lot of players currently due to the fact we have limited support and a history of poor financial management. I really think that we may see our "new players" being comprised of existing youth players e.g. Baxter, Jutkiewicz and even AVDM because it sure as hell doesn?t look like we have any money.
A 4-year contract for neville? Is this Moyes?s way of getting back at Billy Liar for fucking him about with his own contract and lack of a half decent transfer budget???
As long as he keeps playing right back and not midfield, then I don't mind him staying for another 4 years. I think he?s a great professional to have around the club, especially for the youngsters. Remember the Moyesiah knows exactly what he?s doing, so have faith :-)
The only positive news that I can possibly take from this is that I’m thinking Phil has signed because his manager is about to sign.
Every cloud?
Every cloud?
Phil Neville is currently the best right back at the club in my opinion and he brings far more to the table than Tony Hibbert (He can operate in the oppositions half and he has scored the odd goal)
He is a blue now and he does the captains job well in my opinion. He is also a player who takes his fittness very seriously and that is a massive part of why the deal is sooo long for a 31 year old.
I believe Moyes has made the right decision with this one.
Trust Moyes guys and be positive?
He is a blue now and he does the captains job well in my opinion. He is also a player who takes his fittness very seriously and that is a massive part of why the deal is sooo long for a 31 year old.
I believe Moyes has made the right decision with this one.
Trust Moyes guys and be positive?
Like others on this thread, I just don?t see Phil Neville in the same way Moyes does. To me he?s a Manchester United player and always will be and he has been phoning it in for years at Everton. Goodison is just a retirement home for him as it was for so many other superannuated has-beens under Walter Smith. I?ll take a hungry young player any time over someone whose main concern on a matchday is whether his former team won.
Can we please stop rewriting history please. Lee Carsley was offered a contract, aged 34. He turned it down because he wanted first team football. Last season, he almost signed for Wigan for the same reason. First team football is important to him, so he?s gone.
Neville is 31. Not only that, his dedication in training is pretty much legendary, so his career him last longer than most. It?s not as if he any pace to lose.
Neville, unlike Carsley, can play a number of different position, so has more value as a backup (as he will certainly be in 3-4 years time).
He is well respected in the dressing room for a reason. He has a sound reading of the game and tactical mind in defence. Yes, he?s not Arteta but that?s not his job. Yes, it would be nice if we had someone better, but that applies to every position and is a bit bleeding obvious.
People are already saying this is poor value for money, without even knowing what his wages are in the additional two years.
People really just like moaning, without any joined up thinking whatsever. Our squad is too small. Bloody Wyness. Oh we?ve extended the contract of a 50 cap England international who can play multiple positions. Bloody Wyness.
Finally, does anybody remember the general opinion online of Carsley, not 2 years ago? Universally shit, basically. Anybody could do more. Play Vidarsson instead, people said, he can?t be any worse.
Neville is 31. Not only that, his dedication in training is pretty much legendary, so his career him last longer than most. It?s not as if he any pace to lose.
Neville, unlike Carsley, can play a number of different position, so has more value as a backup (as he will certainly be in 3-4 years time).
He is well respected in the dressing room for a reason. He has a sound reading of the game and tactical mind in defence. Yes, he?s not Arteta but that?s not his job. Yes, it would be nice if we had someone better, but that applies to every position and is a bit bleeding obvious.
People are already saying this is poor value for money, without even knowing what his wages are in the additional two years.
People really just like moaning, without any joined up thinking whatsever. Our squad is too small. Bloody Wyness. Oh we?ve extended the contract of a 50 cap England international who can play multiple positions. Bloody Wyness.
Finally, does anybody remember the general opinion online of Carsley, not 2 years ago? Universally shit, basically. Anybody could do more. Play Vidarsson instead, people said, he can?t be any worse.
Phil Neville - it’s like a new signing :0) Now that he has that security he can become the missing link in our midfield......
Can anyone see Phil Neville still playing top level football at the age of 34-35?
Where will Everton be if he?s still with us ?
This really shows a lack of ambition if Moyes thinks we will still need him in 4-5 years.
God I?m fed up.
Where will Everton be if he?s still with us ?
This really shows a lack of ambition if Moyes thinks we will still need him in 4-5 years.
God I?m fed up.
WE?RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!
Pip put it about Finch Farm that both Bolton and Blackburn were interested and for domestic reasons he might have to move. Everton swallowed it whole and moved to tie him into a long-term deal on Davey?s say-so.
Weird or what????
Weird or what????
Simon Skinner. Spot on. Saved me having to cite the same. Reaction from most was all too predictable. It?s no coincidence that we have stabilised in the top 6 with PN in the side and as Captain.
’’he is the worst player who has ever put on a blue shirt .1878’’
Worse than Brett Angell?.... Thought not, great captain, decent right back, shite at everything else.
Worse than Brett Angell?.... Thought not, great captain, decent right back, shite at everything else.
Lee Carsley was repeatedly offered 1-year contracts allowing renegotiation on terms that suited the club; I have no problem with that. This is an entirely different beast .
Have you noticed that Moysey ?does a funny? every window- Wright, Krøldrup, VdM, Gravesen, Gardner and 4-years for Pip is this year?s contribution. Can only hope that ALL his other signings are out of the bag marked ?Lescott, Cahill et al?!
There’s absolutely no way we’re gona improve because as long as Neville’s here he’s gona be the captain which means he’ll be the first name on the team sheet and at his age he’s only gona get worse. It’s an absolute joke he’s just not good enough and why is it that Phil Neville seems to get treated like a God by Moyes, surely only talented players should earn such treatment. A Sad day for Everton Football Club, this just shows a complete lack of ambition. And for all of you who are glad he’s signed for another four years you are all mugs because one thing is for sure there is absolutely no way one of the top four would have given him another contract, because he’s not good enough for a top four team-simple as.
Some of you lot talk utter rubbish. Go and read Phil Neville’s comments and have a rethink - he plays his heart out for the cause and is a bloody good full-back as well as a bloody good captain.
He was at Utd for 16 years and now considers himself a blue; for that I applaud him.
He was at Utd for 16 years and now considers himself a blue; for that I applaud him.
Christ - I feel like we have just taken a huge step backwards - all we need now is Kirkby to go through and his grin all over the Echo saying how the whole squad can't wait to move and Im throwing my hand in....
Jesus wept!
Jesus wept!
Fantastic deal !
We are short on numbers and the last time I counted, Captain Fantastic had 2 legs meaning that he can play anywhere.
Also, this is bound to attract the attention of Newcastle and Sunderland who will offer us an enormous amount to buy out his contract.
Very astute move ? after all, it's not like we are short of money and need to cut corners to afford some decent players like that Portuguese lad from Sporting. Much better to settle for a Manure reject who lives in a converted office block in the centre of Manchester - his heart is obviously with EFC.
We are short on numbers and the last time I counted, Captain Fantastic had 2 legs meaning that he can play anywhere.
Also, this is bound to attract the attention of Newcastle and Sunderland who will offer us an enormous amount to buy out his contract.
Very astute move ? after all, it's not like we are short of money and need to cut corners to afford some decent players like that Portuguese lad from Sporting. Much better to settle for a Manure reject who lives in a converted office block in the centre of Manchester - his heart is obviously with EFC.
Anthony - last time I looked, we weren’t a top 4 team.
If you can’t be realistic then you’ll never be happy. We can’t buy the best, look at Chelsea, they bought Bosingwa for about £16m - do you seriously think we can afford to buy that type of player? Do you seriously think that type of player will come to Everton even if we can afford them?
Mate, you gotta get in the real world here y’know, PN is a good player and captain. End of.
If you can’t be realistic then you’ll never be happy. We can’t buy the best, look at Chelsea, they bought Bosingwa for about £16m - do you seriously think we can afford to buy that type of player? Do you seriously think that type of player will come to Everton even if we can afford them?
Mate, you gotta get in the real world here y’know, PN is a good player and captain. End of.
Maybe it's me but the slating and general feeling on here is getting worse by the day without news or football.
He?s a decent professional & a good captain who the other players respect, I would prefer him at right back to CM & I would of liked to have seem him get 2 or 3 years over 4 but saying that, it's not bad news?? It's just news!!
I agree with Simon Skinner above also, according to you keyboard warrior experts Carsley woulda been shipped out for anyone in recent seasons & all of a sudden its our TOP prioity that we replace him???
Grounded criticism is what fans do but the know alls on here who?ve prob never played a competetive sport in thier life is ridiculous!
He?s a decent professional & a good captain who the other players respect, I would prefer him at right back to CM & I would of liked to have seem him get 2 or 3 years over 4 but saying that, it's not bad news?? It's just news!!
I agree with Simon Skinner above also, according to you keyboard warrior experts Carsley woulda been shipped out for anyone in recent seasons & all of a sudden its our TOP prioity that we replace him???
Grounded criticism is what fans do but the know alls on here who?ve prob never played a competetive sport in thier life is ridiculous!
What is the problem? PN, well thought of by SAF and DM. He has qualities that they value...
Yeh and my point is we’re never gona be a top four team as long as Phil Neville is our captain. Mate, David Moyes has been saying we are aiming to be a top four side, but if your aiming to be a top four side you don’t go and give 31 year old Phil Neville a four year contract. I’m not saying we need to spend 16 million on a right back, there’s loads of players who would be better than Neville. What about that Behrami West Ham have just signed for 5 mill, why couldn’t we have got him he looked class in the euro’s.
Im as surprised as anyone over the 4 yr deal for Neville but dont knock the guy for accepting a deal like that at his age...he is no worse than lots of other players we have kept too long over the past seasons. Im including Duncan in this group who did very little except get himself booked in his last seasons with EFC...Graveson should never have been brought back either...it was a retrograde step and the player was very obviously well past his best..in the present state of disarray the club appears to be in, how are we ever going to attract decent players with other choices ? We appear to be short of a good transfer budget..have a tiny squad of fit and half fit players..a manager who is not yet contracted to us and very possibly we pay comparatively poor wages compared to others. It really galls me to see Sunderland, Portsmouth and other teams of that level outbid us and support their managers with real money.I can understand losing out to Man Utd and Chelsea but we should be showing some ambition by now.The clock is ticking away and the time is running short to shore up our squad with at least one top quality midfielder and four or five good squad players....we are shrinking and dwindling away with no apparant urgency to address the lack of numbers...
Terrible news really, average right back and offers nothing to this current side. It?s unfair on other players to be honest who have been rejected more than one year contracts because of there age. Neville is 31 and the maximum he should have got is 2 years. The likes of Carsley, Stubbs, Watson, Valente etc should feel hard done by. Completely unfair in my opinion.
His Golden boy status really does piss me off. People who are happy with this seriously lack ambtion in my opinion.
His Golden boy status really does piss me off. People who are happy with this seriously lack ambtion in my opinion.
Abola the Portuguese website / paper is carrying news that Everton are preparing a bid in the region of £23 million euros for Mouthino.
I pray the new contract contains a gagging clause. Bad enough to have to watch him but reading his pronouncements on everything Everton makes me feel ill.
Bonkers
Surely, the wisdom of offering contracts like this to very limited players of increasing age should be an additional question at the EGM? The people running our beloved club aren’t fit for purpose
Surely, the wisdom of offering contracts like this to very limited players of increasing age should be an additional question at the EGM? The people running our beloved club aren’t fit for purpose
I think the reason may be that he is wanted to remain in a a coaching capacity after he stops playing. There was a newspaper feature a couple of years back on him which mentioned that PN had been earning rave reviews from instructors when doing his coaching badges. Just a thought.........
Anyone else find it curious that on the BBC, Toffeeweb, and every other Everton discussion place, the majority of people are upset about this, whereas on the OS, the ’comments’ at the bottom are all really really overly positive
Brian I think thats why he got the contract for the life of me I cant recall him doing good enough on the pitch to get that contract.. James Marshall we may not be as say a top four side .but we should be getting better players than Phil I’m sure hes a nice guy and popular with the players ,.but he certainly dose not deserve a Four year contract.
4 years at 31 for an average at best player? madness.. Oh Chris, He scores the odd goal? he’s awful at shooting, tell me when he has scored other than when his shot hasn’t being going 5ft wide before hitting a defender to deflect it in!
I cannot believe the length of the contract. I really thought Neville would be seen as a squad player in future as aside fom a few half decent performances towards the end of last season he was very poor for much of it.He’s nothing more than a shadow right back although I rate him there more than Hibbert.It’s plain wrong when you consider the Carsley situation.
Agree with Simon Skinner ont this one. Not obviously the exciting news of new players which we desperately need, but I do like Pip as a pro and a right back.
FUCKING ACE....What progress we are making. Nveer mind Spurs, Villa, Pompy, City.. The Sky Four must be shitting themselves!!
My first rection to the (Heart) Breaking News on the OS was Oh for fu@ks sake, what the fu@k is he playing at. Then I calmed down and thought about it a bit and weighed up the pros and cons and then said, Oh for fu@ks sake, what the fu@k is he playing at!!
Not the great first signing we were hoping for but as long as he stays at right back I suppose it could have been worse............. Earl Barratt may have come back.
Not the great first signing we were hoping for but as long as he stays at right back I suppose it could have been worse............. Earl Barratt may have come back.
Very good point. The OS (and therefore the club) is so often totally out of step with the majority of fans views and this is a perfect example.
They must think we actually want to be fed this "pip rallies the troops" and "pip calls for courage" nonsense, and they also must think that we’d be happy to think of a future in which the likes of Lescott and Cahill don’t get a look-in as captain, and the team is eventually weakened because Captain Fantastic is first pick every week because of his training work ethic.
No, this is not the news most of us have been waiting for - by some margin.
In fact, the only two people who must be thinking this is really great news are Mr P Neville and Everton’s PR Guru... Mr P Niss.
They must think we actually want to be fed this "pip rallies the troops" and "pip calls for courage" nonsense, and they also must think that we’d be happy to think of a future in which the likes of Lescott and Cahill don’t get a look-in as captain, and the team is eventually weakened because Captain Fantastic is first pick every week because of his training work ethic.
No, this is not the news most of us have been waiting for - by some margin.
In fact, the only two people who must be thinking this is really great news are Mr P Neville and Everton’s PR Guru... Mr P Niss.
I totally agree with Anthony. Behrami would have been a much better option.
The Neville situation reminds me very much of Weir a few years ago. He started off very promising but soon became a liability! Look how long it took to get rid of him as well!
I have no problems with Neville as a squad player but he is simply not good enough to command a starting place nor the captain's armband. It will also hinder other players' development ? should Lescott, Yobo etc have to wait four years to be made captain?! I certainly don?t think so!
I shudder to think of Neville still being captain in 4 years time! Silver lining is there are a lot of ex-Man U managers about who would be stupid enough to buy him in a couple of years!
Above all, it's stupid timing to announce it as breaking news to appease the fans! Please get on with the real business of actual transfers in!
The Neville situation reminds me very much of Weir a few years ago. He started off very promising but soon became a liability! Look how long it took to get rid of him as well!
I have no problems with Neville as a squad player but he is simply not good enough to command a starting place nor the captain's armband. It will also hinder other players' development ? should Lescott, Yobo etc have to wait four years to be made captain?! I certainly don?t think so!
I shudder to think of Neville still being captain in 4 years time! Silver lining is there are a lot of ex-Man U managers about who would be stupid enough to buy him in a couple of years!
Above all, it's stupid timing to announce it as breaking news to appease the fans! Please get on with the real business of actual transfers in!
Yobo, Lescott or Cahill for captain please!
Howard Neville Yobo Jagielka Lescott Arteta Cahill Pienaar Baines Yakubu Vaughan
Subs
Turner/Ruddy Van der Meyde Hibbert Osman Rodwell Baxter Anichebe
Not all doom and gloom and I dont think we need or will see 6 first team players brought in. But a couple would be nice!
Subs
Turner/Ruddy Van der Meyde Hibbert Osman Rodwell Baxter Anichebe
Not all doom and gloom and I dont think we need or will see 6 first team players brought in. But a couple would be nice!
Phil Neville is a ’model pro’and does not lack heart and has won the lot at ManUre. He is a very good influence and inspiration to our younger players coming up.
The youngsters must think, "Fuck me, if that donkey can win leagues and get international caps I can be world player of the year and win the world cup, thrice!"
I don’t boubt his influence i the dressing room, but he lacks the quality we need on the pitch.
I hope Moyes sees him as a squad player and that his salary reflects that...I doubt it though.
Still, IMWT so perhaps there is real merit in the apparent madness of this decision.
The youngsters must think, "Fuck me, if that donkey can win leagues and get international caps I can be world player of the year and win the world cup, thrice!"
I don’t boubt his influence i the dressing room, but he lacks the quality we need on the pitch.
I hope Moyes sees him as a squad player and that his salary reflects that...I doubt it though.
Still, IMWT so perhaps there is real merit in the apparent madness of this decision.
Great,Jimmy lad,but half that pick are unlikely to be fit and/or available come 16th August.Get with it lad!
To me it is dead obvious. DM has been steadily reducing the age of the Everton squad. Everyone knows that a top club needs one or two senior players whose role is to set an example in training and to help control the atmosphere. Phil Neville cannot be faulted in the way he carries out both of these roles. If you want to see how a professional footballer should train just pop down to finch farm and take a look at Nev.
This signing suggests to me that DM has made his mind up about who his senior player is going to be for the next few years and now he can concentrate on younger signings for the first team.
This signing suggests to me that DM has made his mind up about who his senior player is going to be for the next few years and now he can concentrate on younger signings for the first team.
James Stewart this is the EPL not a fucking Subbuteo table.That midfield is lighter that a humming birds fart.What planet are you on lad?I despair at times how little some of our lot actually know about football and the club we support.
Neville is a winner. A consummate professional, whose hard work ethic, loyalty, ?never-say-die? attitude and quiet humble nature is worthy of Carsleyesq praise.
These qualities have infected and stabilized the minds of a team who ?play for the club? and positioned themselves fifth against the odds last season.
Under Gallas we have seen what has become of the invincible Arsenal. In-fighting, back-biting and betrayal. As for Chelsea... don’t get me started.
I personally don’t think Philip is far off from his Brother Gary (who ?imo? is also over-rated and his inclusion has never hurt Man Utd).
Just because he signed a 4-year contract doesn?t guarantee he will play for that long. We could sell him rather than let him go for nothing? What?s wrong with that?
One minute we need bodies, the next we should get rid of our captain? both foolish and fickle. An equilibrium exists and we need to maintain it.
Sometimes a game is won or lost on the training ground or in the dressing room and for that alone give him the fucking contract!
These qualities have infected and stabilized the minds of a team who ?play for the club? and positioned themselves fifth against the odds last season.
Under Gallas we have seen what has become of the invincible Arsenal. In-fighting, back-biting and betrayal. As for Chelsea... don’t get me started.
I personally don’t think Philip is far off from his Brother Gary (who ?imo? is also over-rated and his inclusion has never hurt Man Utd).
Just because he signed a 4-year contract doesn?t guarantee he will play for that long. We could sell him rather than let him go for nothing? What?s wrong with that?
One minute we need bodies, the next we should get rid of our captain? both foolish and fickle. An equilibrium exists and we need to maintain it.
Sometimes a game is won or lost on the training ground or in the dressing room and for that alone give him the fucking contract!
I am delighted we have signed Neville, a quality fullback never mind all the other qualities he brings to the team. When i see some of the names to be captain i have to laugh, Some posters feel as the best player they will be a good captain, And as for an earlier comment that he is a manc well it beggers beleif that some of our fans have that attitude. Because playing for "the mancs" means he will have a winning mentality and generally be a good player better than what we have at the club. No wonder we get called a small club with that sort of attitude. Lets just have a team of scousers that are rubbish
The club we support...that’s a laugh...Neville will wear the blue shirt and represents the club well but the level of abuse he gets/will get is a joke!
James Stewart - one problemo mate. How many of your chosen 11 spend weeks/months injured?
I dont think in 2 years time Neville will be in the starting 11 so I dont see what the over reaction is all about, he is not a great player but is a great pro. Tony Marsh, Spains midfield was pretty small would you not agree? Don't get me wrong I would like a bit more height in our team but if we are going to play decent footy then height won't be that much of an issue.
Okay, it’s not the news pretty much anyone wanted or expected but give the guy a break for crying out loud!
I find it laughable that people here will seriously back Van der Meyde (or alternatively, whichever new random youngster is flavour of the month) for first-team contention (on supposed merit rather than lack of alternatives) and yet will call Neville fit to burn.
We have had literally teams worth of players worse than Neville during the Premiership era. We want to improve but our squad is tiny and money is too tight (or non-existent) to add serious quality to a number of positions each season. When, and IF, we have those numerous far superior players in midfield and at full-back Neville will be more cover than a regular. Until then please try not to lament him so much.
You know some of you lot who call themselves Evertonians but still denegrate everything that is to do with the club. The club captain signs a 4-year deal and you all go off on one slagging him and the club off.
Phil Neville was excellent for us last season and while he sometimes sends the odd pass astray, his defensive qualities are excellent. He reads a game better than most players and breaks down attacks with consumate ease. I for one am pleased he has signed a 4-year deal because he gives full committment to the club both on and off the field.
More I might add than some of you lot. I would love to come on this ite and see some positives for a change. I hope to god the governement announce that the scheme will not be called in and we can get the whole stadium debate out of the way and you people who persisitently slag the club off can put up or shut up. Go to the game or not.
How many league games did we lose when Neville started right back last year, how many?
1... where he was moved into midfield after 10 minutes anyway - (even in the cup ties we lost, you?ll find he was only right back for about 1 of those games too - Chelsea home?!) He?s far better than Hibbert there and is one of the better right backs in the league. I can't remember too many times he gets roasted by an opposition winger - he gets far, far too much stick on here... why? Because he?s a poor midfielder yes, but if we had more players with his atitiude we?d maybe win something for a change.
1... where he was moved into midfield after 10 minutes anyway - (even in the cup ties we lost, you?ll find he was only right back for about 1 of those games too - Chelsea home?!) He?s far better than Hibbert there and is one of the better right backs in the league. I can't remember too many times he gets roasted by an opposition winger - he gets far, far too much stick on here... why? Because he?s a poor midfielder yes, but if we had more players with his atitiude we?d maybe win something for a change.
Totally agree Paul ;-)
Mick do you go the games? Because you have got to be having a laugh to say hand on heart that Phil Neville was excellent for us last season. I hope people’s predictions are right that Neville will become just a back up player and a new captain will be announced, so long as he’s not a guaranteed regular for the next 4 years, although he may be useful to have around the club to help influence the team off the pitch.
How is Neville a far better defender than Hibbert? Yes Neville is better goin forward, but defensively Hibbert rarely ever gets skinned and doesn’t get caught out of position anywhere near as much. Hibbert’s defensive qualities are top draw and Martin Petrov who ran rings round players all season long didn’t get past Hibbert once when we played Man City.
Just seen the headline on the front of the RS Echo: "Blues hero in new deal." I thought "thank god we've tied someone down who we can look to the future with"Maybe Lescott, or any other leader who may attract a better quality signing. Then I turned the paper over and it was, "Neville signs 4 year deal". Maybe he is the model pro, but he can't find his own man if he is more than 2 yards away. Everyone is having a laugh at our expense. 4 years for a below-average player. Surely we are producing better kids than this guy. If not, we need a new youth set up. It's unbeleivable.
Moyes has no sense of ?FAN-Management?, or he really is deluded in believing Neville is a fans' favourite.
Yes Neville does the captain's job well, plenty of mouth, taking of responsibility, but little quality.
This summer is really beginning to look like a nightmare.
Yes Neville does the captain's job well, plenty of mouth, taking of responsibility, but little quality.
This summer is really beginning to look like a nightmare.
Nothing has got past him against Forest tonight.
Give him a medal. Forest don?t exactly have worldbeaters for wingers tho, do they?
Why have they offered him a 4 year deal..........? How about say he was on £30K a week & he gets offered a 4 year deal for £20k a week, he gets less money weekly but financial security for 4 years, the club get cover for the future (not exactly awash with players are we!), we keep the excellent team spirit going in the dressing room and the kids get a model pro to learn off.
Just a theory!
Just a theory!
A case of de ja vue, I can still remember vividly my reaction to the loss of Gravesen and our qualification to the play off stages of Champions league. The transfer window ticked away and still we?d signed no one. I thought surely we?ll sign a big name player to take us to the next level. Eagerly I awaited news as we do at Everton then finally it came we had pulled off a coup having managed to prize Neville away from Old Trafford. I was absolutely gutted by this news as I am today.
This guy simply isn?t good enough, he cracks under pressure and finds it near impossible to pick out a blue shirt with a pass. As for his loyalty to the Everton cause. Can?t forget his appearance last season as a SKY pundit the RS v?s City when asked whom he?d like to see win his reply was of course I?d like to see Liverpool win. That has to be a first for an Everton captain clearly his heart still lies in the city of Manchester.
There is some truth in that Gerry.
Regardless of his talent I think few could doubt his commitment to the blue cause apart from twice a season when we play his beloved united.
I for one won?t forget PN openly shaking hands with SAF and calling him ?boss? after scoring a bloody own goal to give them the win the season before last.
He?s a good motivator, a good right back and no doubt a good influence on the younger pros at Everton. But he should also be dropped twice a season when we play united because with the players they?ve got they certainly don?t need one of ours weighing in on top.
Regardless of his talent I think few could doubt his commitment to the blue cause apart from twice a season when we play his beloved united.
I for one won?t forget PN openly shaking hands with SAF and calling him ?boss? after scoring a bloody own goal to give them the win the season before last.
He?s a good motivator, a good right back and no doubt a good influence on the younger pros at Everton. But he should also be dropped twice a season when we play united because with the players they?ve got they certainly don?t need one of ours weighing in on top.
I think by next season he’ll become more of a ’club’ captain, while somebody else like Lescott or Yobo will be the captain on the day of the match as Pip won’t be playing. No doubt he’ll be doing his UEFA coaching badges soon, and may start to take more of a coaching role for the youngsters. Nobody better to teach them about being professional.
I see Moyes is preparing for life in the Championship with this ?new? signing...
When people speculate that he will be used sporadically and as back up I have two words that should bring back some memories of a past it player given too much playing time...
DAVID WEIR.
A great player in his day but when we had better, younger players available, namely Ferrari, Moyes just couldn?t let go of his old faithful ? like a kid with a comfort blanket!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE ON THIS SITE!
I appreciated morale in low at present with so much doubt surrounding our club (no investment, stadium move, no transfers and potential BANKRUPCY???).
Phil Neville is loyal and his career @ Everton has conincided with the club making REAL progress on the pitch.
I for one want to thank Neville for his contribution and I am delighted he is PROUD to play for our great club.
I think people on this site should save their anger for players that do not show such loyalty - SHANDY ANDY!!!
I appreciated morale in low at present with so much doubt surrounding our club (no investment, stadium move, no transfers and potential BANKRUPCY???).
Phil Neville is loyal and his career @ Everton has conincided with the club making REAL progress on the pitch.
I for one want to thank Neville for his contribution and I am delighted he is PROUD to play for our great club.
I think people on this site should save their anger for players that do not show such loyalty - SHANDY ANDY!!!
Now that he’s got such a super contract can we expect he will be relaxed enough to concentrate on passing to a team-mate once in a while?
"WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE ON THIS SITE!"
I’m ashamed to admit that reading Toffeeweb makes me hate fellow so-called Evertonians on a regular basis. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but any blue with sense know this place is a breeding ground for anti-Moyes, anti-Kenwright, and (to the unknowing unbiased observer - as I’ve shown the site to friends who are supporters of teams throughout the league system) seemingly anti-Everton sentiments. It’s a minority but a very vocal one who shout down everyone else. To give any kind of counter opinion to the contrary, or to dare to think of things more positively, gets you labelled with all kinds of slurs on your intelligence/sanity/footballing knowledge/credentials as a fan. It’s like listening to armchair kopites most of the time.
But back to the point... David Moyes thinks Neville is worth another 4-year contract. That is all that matters to me. God help whoever gets to take over the mantle of boo-boys favourite after he’s gone though, because the 99% of professional players who are more lacking in commitment and effort wouldn’t play on.
Quote from Craig McManus - Now that he?s got such a super contract can we expect he will be relaxed enough to concentrate on passing to a team-mate once in a while?
You do realise you are talking about our most accurate passer last season? He?s also in the top ten in the league....
You do realise you are talking about our most accurate passer last season? He?s also in the top ten in the league....
Neil Scott i agree, Neville should not ever feature in a game against Man Utd. Im convinced he could have easily cleared that own goal but chose not too because of who we were playing. I’ll never forgive him for it neither.
Alan that’s bullshit. They musn’t include all the passes he slices out of play for a throw in and don’t forget that most his passes go backwards to one of the centre backs Yobo or Jags anyone could do that, whereas a more talented player would be more positive and pick out a good pass to start off an attacking move.
Don’t fret, tough guys -- my last post’ll get pulled once it becomes apparent I don’t hate Phil Neville. That, and I didn’t freak out about Kirkby.
He brought shame on us against Man United when we were winning 2-0 and he scored the lamest own goal, the worst attempt at a clearance I’ve ever seen and everyone was laughing at us that he is our cpatain. And for all you people that call him a great professional, what about in the derby when he stopped the ball going in with his hand, not so professional then was he? I noticed he said he’s loved every minute of his career at Everton does that include his 2 sendings off against Liverpool, his own goal against Liverpool and his own goal against Man U?
@ John Roberts, QED. Well done, mate. Strong thinking there.
Have you ever thought that it is because of Phil Neville not despite him that we are where we are.
If he was put up for sale more than half the premiership would be after him as a player, even the rs were sniffing recently!
He is a good player, I suggest you look at the stats when he plays in midfield.....it is far better than you think.
If he was put up for sale more than half the premiership would be after him as a player, even the rs were sniffing recently!
He is a good player, I suggest you look at the stats when he plays in midfield.....it is far better than you think.
Yeh the bottom half I’m guessin. What a ridiculous suggestion to even think Liverpool would go near Neville. It’s signings like Pienaar who set up loads of goals last year and the Yak who put the chances away, who have helped fire us up the table. I’m just fed up of Neville, I pay for a season ticket and it gets so frustrating that we have to constantly watch him slice passes out of play and struggle to get back when he gets in the oppositions half and Moyes gives him special treatment by playing him every game even if he’s had a previous bad game. Whereas as soon as Hibbert has one bad game he’s thrown out of the team head first to accomodate Neville, its very unfair I feel sorry for Hibbert.
Colin
Stats cant beat what you see with your own eyes.
I dont think Neville is as bad as many think but he is certainly only a squad player standard and certainly not deserving a 4 year extension especially given that we can hardly afford passengers in our threadbare squad.
I just wonder if
a. Moyes is moving on and has recommended it as his parting gesture or Kenwright is selling up and like wise wanted to ensure he was well looked after.
There is no logic to this given our financial position.
Stats cant beat what you see with your own eyes.
I dont think Neville is as bad as many think but he is certainly only a squad player standard and certainly not deserving a 4 year extension especially given that we can hardly afford passengers in our threadbare squad.
I just wonder if
a. Moyes is moving on and has recommended it as his parting gesture or Kenwright is selling up and like wise wanted to ensure he was well looked after.
There is no logic to this given our financial position.
Wayne Snape-
Doesn’t change the fact that for someone who apparently can’t pass he’s our most accurate passer. If it’s so easy to do why didn’t Pienarr or Arteta et al out do him?
Doesn’t change the fact that for someone who apparently can’t pass he’s our most accurate passer. If it’s so easy to do why didn’t Pienarr or Arteta et al out do him?
WHAT A FUCKING LOAD OF SHIT!!!!!!!!
I saw one of my old teachers the other day. I called him "sir" ? force of habit nothing else.
If i had played for Everton and moved on I would ALWAYS want Liverpool to lose no matter what>
The worst player to ever play for Everton circa 1878 - I didn't know we had fans over 130yrs old.
I had a laugh with my mates who are also Evertonians a few days ago about some of the shite players we have been forced to watch over the last 10-15 years. We probably named about 300 who are all much worse than Neville. Anyone who woul rather have Earl Barrett than Nev is a loon!!
Last, but not least, he?s demonstrated how much our club means to him on several occasions since he signed. The fact that he may still support Man Utd is irrelevant. There's absolutely no way on earth he scored an own goal on purpose or allowed it to happen.
I saw one of my old teachers the other day. I called him "sir" ? force of habit nothing else.
If i had played for Everton and moved on I would ALWAYS want Liverpool to lose no matter what>
The worst player to ever play for Everton circa 1878 - I didn't know we had fans over 130yrs old.
I had a laugh with my mates who are also Evertonians a few days ago about some of the shite players we have been forced to watch over the last 10-15 years. We probably named about 300 who are all much worse than Neville. Anyone who woul rather have Earl Barrett than Nev is a loon!!
Last, but not least, he?s demonstrated how much our club means to him on several occasions since he signed. The fact that he may still support Man Utd is irrelevant. There's absolutely no way on earth he scored an own goal on purpose or allowed it to happen.
OPTA had him as our best passer last year. Fact. I watched the lad last night, and he had only three horribly errant passes, only one of which was a hoofball. He saved as many, if not more. The guy touches the ball more by twice than most of the others on the pitch, almost combined.
I watched last year when we went to Anfield and Neville got slugged in the back and spat upon by the scum, and nobody on this list wrote a thing. That was our captain, and he was punched, on TV no less, and none of you people gave a shit. That was beyond the pale. Weird and unacceptable.
There has to be five hundred thousand negative words about Phil Neville writ up there. How sad. Enjoy Vag-Ner Love and his parade.
I watched last year when we went to Anfield and Neville got slugged in the back and spat upon by the scum, and nobody on this list wrote a thing. That was our captain, and he was punched, on TV no less, and none of you people gave a shit. That was beyond the pale. Weird and unacceptable.
There has to be five hundred thousand negative words about Phil Neville writ up there. How sad. Enjoy Vag-Ner Love and his parade.
Because Pienaar and Arteta are capable of playing more difficult killer passes over a longer distance, they take more risks to pull off a killer pass, whereas Neville doesn?t have that vision and usually passes it to the person nearest to him with no opponents around him. DUH! I can?t believe some of you think Neville is the best passer in our team. I could get on the pitch myself and pass it back to one of our unmarked cente backs like Neville does to become that so-called 'most accurate passer' tag. If Neville is such a great passer then how many assists did he get last season with one of his accurate passers? I can?t remember any, apart from a couple of crosses maybe.
According to Setanta his pass completion was 72% last season which is average. Arteta, Fernandes, Osman, Pienaar and Gravesen where all in the high 70s according to Setanta. He wasn?t our best passer by any strech.
For a defender a completed pass can be a hoof. A defender hoofs it Cahill gets a touch on it and that is supposedly a completed pass. Midfielders on the other hand can rarely hoof it as they're in the middle of the pitch.
Neville can?t pass, we're not blind ? we see him every week and it?s quite clear he can?t pass and he has a tendency to hoof the ball.
With him in the team we will never player excellent football. He hoofs which more than not loses possession and puts us on the back foot. He has no composure whatsoever.
Even Hibbert who?s a very limited player tries when he can to keep it on the floor. Neville more gifted than Hibbo but his dinks upfield seem to be part of his game.
Nice guy, excellent professional but no question about it he is an average player who plays in a position that we need to strengthen.
He?s signed a contract for four years and I guarantee he will be a starter for at least three years. That's why I?m suprised so many people are happy about this, surely we want to improve on our weaker positions? Lack of ambtion by certain fans in my opinion.
For a defender a completed pass can be a hoof. A defender hoofs it Cahill gets a touch on it and that is supposedly a completed pass. Midfielders on the other hand can rarely hoof it as they're in the middle of the pitch.
Neville can?t pass, we're not blind ? we see him every week and it?s quite clear he can?t pass and he has a tendency to hoof the ball.
With him in the team we will never player excellent football. He hoofs which more than not loses possession and puts us on the back foot. He has no composure whatsoever.
Even Hibbert who?s a very limited player tries when he can to keep it on the floor. Neville more gifted than Hibbo but his dinks upfield seem to be part of his game.
Nice guy, excellent professional but no question about it he is an average player who plays in a position that we need to strengthen.
He?s signed a contract for four years and I guarantee he will be a starter for at least three years. That's why I?m suprised so many people are happy about this, surely we want to improve on our weaker positions? Lack of ambtion by certain fans in my opinion.
So, do, Anthony! As of today we need you!! You’re totally welcome in my XI ;) Chingado!!
As far as the neverending Neville-hatred thing here goes, tho, I love him and appreciate him because he’s hard as nails, watched those total punks spit at him, took a sucker punch to the kidney and didn’t flinch, watched Dirt Kunts career-ending ’tackle’ fly by him, and didn’t whine like the bitch absolutely EVERY other premiership ’player’ would’ve. He has the guts to play every week.
He acts like a man. That’s what a captain should do. He’s a dignified guy who knows and plays his (right back!) position well, and he deputises where needed, much to our chagrin.
And hey man, OPTA’s the thing. I think I remember more accurate crosses than you do! It’s cool, Anthony, I’m sure you’re right. I just don’t think Phil Neville is worth the hate that’s been dumped on him here. I’m dead happy he’s sticking around, and it sticks to see the negativity here about it.
As far as the neverending Neville-hatred thing here goes, tho, I love him and appreciate him because he’s hard as nails, watched those total punks spit at him, took a sucker punch to the kidney and didn’t flinch, watched Dirt Kunts career-ending ’tackle’ fly by him, and didn’t whine like the bitch absolutely EVERY other premiership ’player’ would’ve. He has the guts to play every week.
He acts like a man. That’s what a captain should do. He’s a dignified guy who knows and plays his (right back!) position well, and he deputises where needed, much to our chagrin.
And hey man, OPTA’s the thing. I think I remember more accurate crosses than you do! It’s cool, Anthony, I’m sure you’re right. I just don’t think Phil Neville is worth the hate that’s been dumped on him here. I’m dead happy he’s sticking around, and it sticks to see the negativity here about it.
Hey Connor,
As it’s tennis season, ball’s in your court...who’s better, who’s best? Who can we get? Somebody tell me something, anything! (as Todd Rundgren created, blahblahbl...)
What’re we going to get, man? It’s looking more and more like nothing. We might get Wagner Love! We might get Darren Bent. We might get, erm, some nobody who’ll set the world alight ;)
No matter what, I don’t have any more patience for Phil Neville hatred, esp. from our fans. It’s very uncool. Don’t like his play? Fine. Hate him for who he used to be? That’s a dick’s game.
As it’s tennis season, ball’s in your court...who’s better, who’s best? Who can we get? Somebody tell me something, anything! (as Todd Rundgren created, blahblahbl...)
What’re we going to get, man? It’s looking more and more like nothing. We might get Wagner Love! We might get Darren Bent. We might get, erm, some nobody who’ll set the world alight ;)
No matter what, I don’t have any more patience for Phil Neville hatred, esp. from our fans. It’s very uncool. Don’t like his play? Fine. Hate him for who he used to be? That’s a dick’s game.
Stig Meacham, it?s not hatred, it's my honest opinion on one of our players. I don?t love every player we have on our books and if I?m unhappy with his performance I give my views.
On who we can get, I?m not the manager. It?s David Moyes?s job to get better players in. I think it?s his duty to improve on our weaker players and Neville is a weaker player in our team.
I?ve got certain players I?d like to see here. Justin Hoyte at Arsenal would be nice as would Miguel who plays for Valencia. Both players have uncertain futures and would be in our price range. As I?ve said It?s not up to me.
On who we can get, I?m not the manager. It?s David Moyes?s job to get better players in. I think it?s his duty to improve on our weaker players and Neville is a weaker player in our team.
I?ve got certain players I?d like to see here. Justin Hoyte at Arsenal would be nice as would Miguel who plays for Valencia. Both players have uncertain futures and would be in our price range. As I?ve said It?s not up to me.
Hey, Connor,
Cool, man! Gotta put down here I really love your posts, C. Always have! My whole thing here is what got me chucked off the first time, tho (and it looks like ol MK has given me enough rope...!), and it’s I don’t think it’s all that cool to call out Neville for playing centre-mid. And for being a shite RB either, as he’s quite good when tasked there. Why all you guys hate him so awfully might have less to do with his ability than his baggage and what he’s been asked to do? I’m not trying to make enemies, Connor, but I reckon you hundreds and thousands might be a tad small minded? I’m certain I’ll get told otherwise!
Hoyte would definitely be an awesome pick, btw! Very cool Outside-of-the-boxer.
Cool, man! Gotta put down here I really love your posts, C. Always have! My whole thing here is what got me chucked off the first time, tho (and it looks like ol MK has given me enough rope...!), and it’s I don’t think it’s all that cool to call out Neville for playing centre-mid. And for being a shite RB either, as he’s quite good when tasked there. Why all you guys hate him so awfully might have less to do with his ability than his baggage and what he’s been asked to do? I’m not trying to make enemies, Connor, but I reckon you hundreds and thousands might be a tad small minded? I’m certain I’ll get told otherwise!
Hoyte would definitely be an awesome pick, btw! Very cool Outside-of-the-boxer.
Fair enough Stig, It’s all about opinions really. I don’t rate Neville but I don’t think he’s awful. He’s decent but he’s getting on a bit and needs replacing.
Anyway, thanks for the nice comments.
Anyway, thanks for the nice comments.
Hey Connor,
No problemo, hermano!!
I really do love that Hoyte idea. Your keyboard to god’s ear, mate! That would be good!
No problemo, hermano!!
I really do love that Hoyte idea. Your keyboard to god’s ear, mate! That would be good!
Stig... you?ve sailed pretty close... but I refrained!
There are fans of football ? like me and Connor ? who simply do not rate him. It?s based primarily on watching him when he is playing the game of football, not where he has come from or what else he may stand for... Although I can also never forget that he is a Sky4 cast-off and that will always say to me he is not good enough to play for them... Yet our manager relies on him absloutely as captain and thus as a permanent first name on the teamsheet, despite inadequacies that seem obvious to a large portion of fans.
I don?t doubt that he has the qualities you (and obviously Moyes) admire... but there are many who, I believe, have been brought up the Everton Way and expect more from a player ? from an Everton captain. Yes, some may be spouting their own version of Manc-hating bile, but a significant number of the posts on this thread are there for reasons of football, and not for the hatred you claim.
If Everton are to really progress over the next four years, he is just not good enough.
There are fans of football ? like me and Connor ? who simply do not rate him. It?s based primarily on watching him when he is playing the game of football, not where he has come from or what else he may stand for... Although I can also never forget that he is a Sky4 cast-off and that will always say to me he is not good enough to play for them... Yet our manager relies on him absloutely as captain and thus as a permanent first name on the teamsheet, despite inadequacies that seem obvious to a large portion of fans.
I don?t doubt that he has the qualities you (and obviously Moyes) admire... but there are many who, I believe, have been brought up the Everton Way and expect more from a player ? from an Everton captain. Yes, some may be spouting their own version of Manc-hating bile, but a significant number of the posts on this thread are there for reasons of football, and not for the hatred you claim.
If Everton are to really progress over the next four years, he is just not good enough.
Spot on. He’s just average, and if we are to improve as a team we need stronger players in our first 11 than Neville. I suppose it’s the same with Osman, who is a talented footballer and good squad player but seems to struggle against the top teams because of his lack of pace. Neville and Osman, in my opinion should be squad players and to improve we need top quality players to come in who can improve our first 11. Does anyone agree?
Hiya MK (the Don!)
Thanks, man!
Neville might not be up to it. But neither are a few other people, yeah?
Why must we be so awful?
Cheers, everyone... thanks for having me back on, and god COYBiB
Thanks, man!
Neville might not be up to it. But neither are a few other people, yeah?
Why must we be so awful?
Cheers, everyone... thanks for having me back on, and god COYBiB
Anthony Millington, I agree Osman should be a squad player but it does annoy me when people put him in the same catogary as the likes of Neville and Hibbert.
He?s a talented footballer, versatile, hardworking and chips in with goals. For me he offers a lot more to this team than the likes of Hibbert and especially Neville.
To be fair to Osman he never played centre midfield against any of the big boys. He was either injured, got moved outwide or played as a second striker because of injuries. I think if he was given the chance in centre midfield he?d give a good account of himself against anyone.
I think people undervalue him badly. I remember the days when he was the only player looking to get the ball down and play some football when we had a lot of cloggers in the team. I respected him for that, he never hid and despite his size and stature he?d try and get on the ball and make things happen.
He?s come on leaps and bounds, found his positon in the centre of midfield and offered a lot to the team last season. Very underrated player and seems to be a bit of a boo boy on ToffeeWeb.
He?ll never be amazing but he?s got attributes that really help this team and he shouldn?t be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Hibbo, Neville and Valente. He?s definitely not dead wood.
He?s a talented footballer, versatile, hardworking and chips in with goals. For me he offers a lot more to this team than the likes of Hibbert and especially Neville.
To be fair to Osman he never played centre midfield against any of the big boys. He was either injured, got moved outwide or played as a second striker because of injuries. I think if he was given the chance in centre midfield he?d give a good account of himself against anyone.
I think people undervalue him badly. I remember the days when he was the only player looking to get the ball down and play some football when we had a lot of cloggers in the team. I respected him for that, he never hid and despite his size and stature he?d try and get on the ball and make things happen.
He?s come on leaps and bounds, found his positon in the centre of midfield and offered a lot to the team last season. Very underrated player and seems to be a bit of a boo boy on ToffeeWeb.
He?ll never be amazing but he?s got attributes that really help this team and he shouldn?t be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Hibbo, Neville and Valente. He?s definitely not dead wood.
Yeh I agree Neville and Hibbert are a bit average, but Osman is better than average. I just didn?t want to cause another stir by slagging off Neville again.
I don?t buy this "he is a professional" bullshit! The guy is bad fullstop. If I was earning what he is earning, I?d be twice as professional as he is. Its decisions like this when you think to yourself whether its even worth supporting Everton FC. Fuckin? hell!
Capt Marvel signs on for 4 more years!?!?!?!
I?m confused, is this good or bad news!?!?!?
Although I admire the man for his commitment on the park, he is very mediocre at best. I always thought a captain should not only show commitment, but be very talented too and possess good leadership qualities as with most team captains in the league. There were times during the season where he got pasted by his own team-mates with some shambolic performances and that says something. My main concern is why DM hasn?t signed yet? Oh well, it must be the Everton way I suppose.
Btw In regards to Nev, I dont ?hate? him ? I just don't rate him.
I?m confused, is this good or bad news!?!?!?
Although I admire the man for his commitment on the park, he is very mediocre at best. I always thought a captain should not only show commitment, but be very talented too and possess good leadership qualities as with most team captains in the league. There were times during the season where he got pasted by his own team-mates with some shambolic performances and that says something. My main concern is why DM hasn?t signed yet? Oh well, it must be the Everton way I suppose.
Btw In regards to Nev, I dont ?hate? him ? I just don't rate him.
Let’s not forget Pip’s got Champions League experience, having won the cup itself. It’s all part of Moyes 4 (5? 6?) year plan of us breaking into the top4 and Champions League footie. We’ll need all the experience we can get and a captain to lead us on our way. Holy crap we’re fucked.
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