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DK... Source or sauce???
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I was just wondering what had happened to all the those posters who had "good sources" regarding DK.
One poster stated that the he had it from someone in the Club that the Board already knew DK was going to be called in a couple of weeks ago, and that they were deeply worried about what to do next.
The other guy said that his "source" had it on good authority that DK was not going to be called in and Moyes was going to sign his contract within 48hrs, along with the announcement.
This was all going on at least one week ago and neither of these scenarios have happened.
Could these posters please ask their sources what is going on and why their information was incorrect? Or was it that you had just been on the sauce after all??
Iain Latchford, Posted 28/07/2008 at 16:10:24
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Michael Kenrick
Good questions, Iain. Let's hear it about those impeccable sources...
Iain I can't reveal my source but they are positive that one of those posters will be in touch in the next 24 hrs for sure.
Its all a load of crap really isn?t it. They tell you what you want to hear and you decide if you want to believe it or not. Maybe if the club started communicating with its fans then we wouldn't have these ?sources? becoming locally famous for starting some shite rumour.
It is a load of crap, there’s a 50% chance any of the posters with sources are correct of course as the DK decision can only go one of two ways. If I remember correctly Brian Williams said 3-4 weeks ago (yes 3-4 WEEKS ago) that he heard from a "reliable" source (they’re ALWAYS reliable LOL) that it was getting called-in. Then we had the other Michel de Nostradame 2 weeks back telling us that it was deffo going ahead with an announcement within 48hrs....tick tock tick tock tick tock...
The only thing that’s certain is "THAT NOTHING IS CERTAIN".
An old chinese proverb :
"The pain of uncertainty is far worse than the certainty of pain."
Just how I feel about DK ? the sooner we know one way or another the better!
"The pain of uncertainty is far worse than the certainty of pain."
Just how I feel about DK ? the sooner we know one way or another the better!
I think the time it's taking is a disgrace, is it being delayed so that if it is called in they can claim we took our time and looked hard and long before reaching this decision? Or a similar load of shit if they don't call it in.
If the Mickey is to be successfully removed what is needed is an imaginative wishful thinking Mickey taker plus extreme gullibility on the part of his/her targets.
Here on Toffeeweb we have an abundance of both kinds. A fact clearly evidenced when a writer pretending to be Bill Kenwright submitted a letter that in the writers opinion the real Bill should have wrote. It made no difference to some readers that the writer was merely pretending to be Bill.
We then witnessed a totally ludicrous situation wherein correspondence was exchanged with the anti thesis of a Kenwright clone.
Here on Toffeeweb we have an abundance of both kinds. A fact clearly evidenced when a writer pretending to be Bill Kenwright submitted a letter that in the writers opinion the real Bill should have wrote. It made no difference to some readers that the writer was merely pretending to be Bill.
We then witnessed a totally ludicrous situation wherein correspondence was exchanged with the anti thesis of a Kenwright clone.
Well I was one of those posters!
I stand by what I said....but let’s just wait and see shall we?
I stand by what I said....but let’s just wait and see shall we?
How can you stand by what you said!? Apologies if I'm worng Brian, but didn't you say a week ago that all would be revealed in the next 48hrs? If so it's completely false.
I'm not attacking you personally here, but I'm tired of the stories that get posted that never come to fruition. The only thing I can take from them is that they weren't true to begin with.
I'm not attacking you personally here, but I'm tired of the stories that get posted that never come to fruition. The only thing I can take from them is that they weren't true to begin with.
Brian,
Like Carl, I am not having a go at you as such. All I’m really saying that if I had a source who provided me with information that didn’t happen, I would go back to him and ask what the reason was.
Like Carl, I am not having a go at you as such. All I’m really saying that if I had a source who provided me with information that didn’t happen, I would go back to him and ask what the reason was.
Ok lads I can understand your frustration, but just for the record.
I WASN?T the one who said all will be revealed in 48 hours. That was some plug who also said that DM would have his contract signed, we?d have x many millions etc etc ...and all would be announced in 48 hours..NOT ME.
I simply said that the board were "already aware DK WILL be called in."
I specified NOTHING about when any public announcement would be made just the fact that the board KNEW already.
So there you have it. Check back if you like... you?re getting your posters mixed up.
...and do I still stand by what I have now made clear?
YES!
I WASN?T the one who said all will be revealed in 48 hours. That was some plug who also said that DM would have his contract signed, we?d have x many millions etc etc ...and all would be announced in 48 hours..NOT ME.
I simply said that the board were "already aware DK WILL be called in."
I specified NOTHING about when any public announcement would be made just the fact that the board KNEW already.
So there you have it. Check back if you like... you?re getting your posters mixed up.
...and do I still stand by what I have now made clear?
YES!
Usually buried somewhere under all the BS?ers is a guy who actually does know something. I hope to fuck its Brian. It's true he never put a timescale on his claim... just wish he?d hurry up and be right!
Brian,
Thanks for that (I sincerely hope you?re right by the way!).
So does your source know when we are likely to have any sort of announcement on this?
Thanks for that (I sincerely hope you?re right by the way!).
So does your source know when we are likely to have any sort of announcement on this?
Really, how many mugs can there be on one website?
Have the last few weeks of speculative and ultimately unfounded posts not tought you anything?
The fact is that NO ONE knows what's happening apart from the MP who is deciding.
I would love Brian to be correct but I think he is being economical with his rumour and maybe his source is getting a bit mixed up on what he has heard. There is no doubt that Kirkby COULD be called in but I doubt very much that the board has heard that Kirkby WOULD be called in. If that is the case why has nobody in knowsley council been told or Sefton or Liverpool councils for that matter-they are all equal parties involved in this decision and equally they would all be told what will be happening. If LCC or Sefton heard that this was the case they would blow the lid off the whole thing.
Add nosey Journalists to the equation and can you really believe a 50-50 guess with no timescale or source attached to it?
COME ON!!!WAKE UP!!!
Have the last few weeks of speculative and ultimately unfounded posts not tought you anything?
The fact is that NO ONE knows what's happening apart from the MP who is deciding.
I would love Brian to be correct but I think he is being economical with his rumour and maybe his source is getting a bit mixed up on what he has heard. There is no doubt that Kirkby COULD be called in but I doubt very much that the board has heard that Kirkby WOULD be called in. If that is the case why has nobody in knowsley council been told or Sefton or Liverpool councils for that matter-they are all equal parties involved in this decision and equally they would all be told what will be happening. If LCC or Sefton heard that this was the case they would blow the lid off the whole thing.
Add nosey Journalists to the equation and can you really believe a 50-50 guess with no timescale or source attached to it?
COME ON!!!WAKE UP!!!
Ok, this is my very last comment on this.
Domonic...These are fellow Evertonians, not mugs, and I wouldn’t treat them like mugs.
Your post seems to suggest that in the world of politics and big business that everything is done to the letter of the law and everything’s done fairly....
It’s YOU that needs to wake up mate....
Do you not think for a minute that "friends" drop other "friends" the wink etc etc. Come on mate politics is riddled with nods, winks, backhanders etc etc.....
Very last time.
My source "who works for the club" said, and I quote...."the board know already, that DK will be called in".
Say what you like about me, that’s me done with this!
I’d rather concentrate on praying that DM signs his contract and that we sign the five or six players required!
Domonic...These are fellow Evertonians, not mugs, and I wouldn’t treat them like mugs.
Your post seems to suggest that in the world of politics and big business that everything is done to the letter of the law and everything’s done fairly....
It’s YOU that needs to wake up mate....
Do you not think for a minute that "friends" drop other "friends" the wink etc etc. Come on mate politics is riddled with nods, winks, backhanders etc etc.....
Very last time.
My source "who works for the club" said, and I quote...."the board know already, that DK will be called in".
Say what you like about me, that’s me done with this!
I’d rather concentrate on praying that DM signs his contract and that we sign the five or six players required!
If ?they? alreay know it will be called-in, why do the Govt need extra time on this?
Strikes me as odd in the extreme. Its an awful long delay just to cross the t?s and dot the i?s.
I seriously think a decision has not been made yet. Otherwise there would be more insider knowledge on this in the open,
I suppose you still have a 50/50 chance of being correct. Not bad odds...
Strikes me as odd in the extreme. Its an awful long delay just to cross the t?s and dot the i?s.
I seriously think a decision has not been made yet. Otherwise there would be more insider knowledge on this in the open,
I suppose you still have a 50/50 chance of being correct. Not bad odds...
Just for the record, I was talking to one of JSTs top property lawyers yesterday and they are of the opinion that it will be called in. JST are Liverpools premiere property law firm.
I think we all know that if this was any other development it would be called in without question.
It’s just the dark forces at involved that are trying to avoid it all costs.
It’s just the dark forces at involved that are trying to avoid it all costs.
Steve
its ok having an opinion.
I have an opinion , but I think these opinions sometimes get misconstrued as ’insider knowledge’.
Chinese whispers and all that. The hard facts are that there have been no leaks from Government HQ. Plenty of rumour/counter rumour.
Any leaks would have surely given us a greater indication on this. The hard facts are that I have heard rumour both for and against a call in. Of equal measure.
its ok having an opinion.
I have an opinion , but I think these opinions sometimes get misconstrued as ’insider knowledge’.
Chinese whispers and all that. The hard facts are that there have been no leaks from Government HQ. Plenty of rumour/counter rumour.
Any leaks would have surely given us a greater indication on this. The hard facts are that I have heard rumour both for and against a call in. Of equal measure.
Steve J:
Or as John Cleese said in " Clockwise ":
"... it’s not the despair- I can live with that, it’ the hope ! "
Or as John Cleese said in " Clockwise ":
"... it’s not the despair- I can live with that, it’ the hope ! "
Firstly, I’ll admit that I KNOW...... absolutely nothing about how all this political..um..’stuff’ works
But I have to admit, this EXTRA piss-balling about with the decision makes me very nervous.
Why?
Well from everything I’ve read on this issue, especially from those who’ve written in a professional capacity (town planners, housing officers, development officers etc) it seems that the result, EITHER WAY, would/should be clear.
Basically one of two results.
1) DK DOESN’T break the rules so can get the go-ahead.
2) DK DOES break the rules and therefore is ’called in’.
From what I’ve read (which I accept could be bollocks), it DOES break all sorts of rules.
And that’s why I’m nervous.
Because (unless anyone can think of any other reason for the delay) what my guess is, is that there’s a lot of ’interpretation’ going on (and NOT on behalf of KEIOC).
I’ve heard Kilfoyle has been ’lobbying’, ditto Mr Beef.
I have a feeling (AND I HOPE I’M 100% WRONG) we might soon be hearing shite like..
"While rule 5 (subsection F) DOES state ’land can’t be built on that once had a cheese factory on it’, the ’cheese’ in question was Dairylea. which is actually a ’whey’ by-product of cheese and therefore technically, not actually cheese. This rule therefore does NOT apply so....."
Etc.
But I have to admit, this EXTRA piss-balling about with the decision makes me very nervous.
Why?
Well from everything I’ve read on this issue, especially from those who’ve written in a professional capacity (town planners, housing officers, development officers etc) it seems that the result, EITHER WAY, would/should be clear.
Basically one of two results.
1) DK DOESN’T break the rules so can get the go-ahead.
2) DK DOES break the rules and therefore is ’called in’.
From what I’ve read (which I accept could be bollocks), it DOES break all sorts of rules.
And that’s why I’m nervous.
Because (unless anyone can think of any other reason for the delay) what my guess is, is that there’s a lot of ’interpretation’ going on (and NOT on behalf of KEIOC).
I’ve heard Kilfoyle has been ’lobbying’, ditto Mr Beef.
I have a feeling (AND I HOPE I’M 100% WRONG) we might soon be hearing shite like..
"While rule 5 (subsection F) DOES state ’land can’t be built on that once had a cheese factory on it’, the ’cheese’ in question was Dairylea. which is actually a ’whey’ by-product of cheese and therefore technically, not actually cheese. This rule therefore does NOT apply so....."
Etc.
As the "Kenwright clone" referred to by Dick Fearon above; and as the person at least partly responsible for setting up the great "summer source-off" aka "Brian Williams v Mark Perry", it is only fair to say that the former’s "betting slip" is still very much valid.
Brian did indeed only say that DK will be called-in and that the club have known this for some time. The rest is just political posturing.
Mark Perry, however, categorically stated that all manner of saucy stuff would pour out onto the Evertonian plate by July 18th, including the announcement that DK would be approved. He has since, presumably, had a ketchup sesh with his mate to whom he promised to give a good shoeing.
Brian Williams hadn’t returned to the fray until this point because there was no need for him to.
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For the record, the preferred sauce of a Kenwright clone is Tabasco. For added piquancy. However, if the good patrons at the Park End catering outlets wish to lash a few drops of Lea&Perrins into future Oxo purchases, this would be a very content Kenwright Clone.
Brian did indeed only say that DK will be called-in and that the club have known this for some time. The rest is just political posturing.
Mark Perry, however, categorically stated that all manner of saucy stuff would pour out onto the Evertonian plate by July 18th, including the announcement that DK would be approved. He has since, presumably, had a ketchup sesh with his mate to whom he promised to give a good shoeing.
Brian Williams hadn’t returned to the fray until this point because there was no need for him to.
--
For the record, the preferred sauce of a Kenwright clone is Tabasco. For added piquancy. However, if the good patrons at the Park End catering outlets wish to lash a few drops of Lea&Perrins into future Oxo purchases, this would be a very content Kenwright Clone.
There is a clause in KMBC’s Land Disposal Document covering the sale of the land to Tesco which places an obligation on tesco to appeal if it is called in.
The very size of the application - itself a reason for the call-in - demands detailed examination, and explicit wording of the reasons for a call-in, to ensure that the appeal, when it comes, has been properly dealt with.
It is my understanding that the file was dealt with by London and sent back to GONW for the announcement, but later recalled to London. It is unlikely that the original decision (whatever it was) will be reversed, so some other process is taking place.
The fact that both the Member for Knowsley East and the Member for Walton were both on the cover of the Sunday Times calling for Gordon Brown to be removed (although Howarth later denied this), and Blears was in the same article calling for party unity, might be a good indicator of where this is going.
Fingers and everything else crossed.
The very size of the application - itself a reason for the call-in - demands detailed examination, and explicit wording of the reasons for a call-in, to ensure that the appeal, when it comes, has been properly dealt with.
It is my understanding that the file was dealt with by London and sent back to GONW for the announcement, but later recalled to London. It is unlikely that the original decision (whatever it was) will be reversed, so some other process is taking place.
The fact that both the Member for Knowsley East and the Member for Walton were both on the cover of the Sunday Times calling for Gordon Brown to be removed (although Howarth later denied this), and Blears was in the same article calling for party unity, might be a good indicator of where this is going.
Fingers and everything else crossed.
Sorry - Howarth is Knowsley North and Sefton East....
Not a source isuue but to show MPs are human. On my regular journey to Euston I met up with 2 MPs whose constituencies are adjoining Liverpool. One is an old friend who introduced me to his colleague.
I asked about Kirkby and both said they had never had any dealings with BK but grinned at the mention of Kilfoyle. The ?stranger? MP said he couldn?t understand how an MP and a Council would apparently be happy to let a business like EFC leave their locale.
My friend, being a red, said neither could he but that he would ?laugh his cock off? if Everton willingly left the City to LFC. ?Not even a dream come true?, he added..?you would never have dreamt it.?
Kirkby has been called in. I have a relative you works in that department and it will be announced by the end of the week. This is not bullshit.
Talking off sources, the new rumour from the club is that Mr Lyness has left.
The headlining article on this site states.... "his departure is being interpreted as a strong indicator that the controversial project will indeed be "called in" for a public inquiry".........
But how can anyone KNOW when it?s not been announced yet?
But how can anyone KNOW when it?s not been announced yet?
Just wait ’til you see what happens next !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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