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No room for AJ
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Firstly, Moyes traditionally doesn't throw new signings straight into the fray so, even if there were new arrivals, we could reasonably expect Moyes to choose his starting line-up for the Blackburn game from his current crop of players. Would it look something like this?
Howard; Gosling, Yobo, Jagielka, Lescott; Neville; Arteta; Osman; Rodwell; Pienaar; Yakubu
(Subs: Turner, Baines, Valente, Van der Meyde, Jutkiewicz)
Selling AJ does seem to make good business sense. We're in no position to have a £12 million pound bench-warmer, which is what he'd be with DM's 4-1-3-1-1 system. It seems though that Moyes has treated Johnson shabbily, just like he did with Beattie before him. One minute they're the golden boy and the next minute they're treated like something that Davey trod in. Which is a shame, as AJ is as honest and hard-working as the day is long and has a respectable strike rate.
I would question the wisdom of re-investing so heavily in a single central midfielder though. It would be very exciting to have such a hot prospect like Moutinho join the club although, if the price is £18 million then it would make more sense to me to go the extra mile and bid for Arshavin or to try and nick Mani on the cheap and give ourselves £8-£10 million to invest in another good-quality midfielder.
By the way, anyone notice how much Johnson looks (minus the hair) and sounds just like David Beckham?!!
Simon Birdsey, Posted 28/07/2008 at 18:14:46
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Overall, I think the money we are reportedly getting is good business. I liked AJ but he didnt possess the strength or control to play upfront on his own. I will say that in his defence, some of the service he did received at times was poor ie the balls over the top into the corner flags and the high balls to his head when playing up on his own and being marked by two giant centre halves!
Hopefully, the money can be invested wisely and spent on the sort of quality to help us further capitalise on the progress of the last two seasons. Fingers crossed!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A3o_Moutinho
See the ££££££ signs and accept. Total bollox... but that's just typical of our club, being turned over by Fulham is a disgrace.
Will Moyesy even reinvest in his forward line when he has 5 strikers with bags of potential (Vaughan, Anichebe, Jutkiweicz, Baxter and Agard) vying for a place alongside the Yak? It would be a very brave move not to go for another experienced striker but any newcomer would find themselves on the bench more often than not and would possibly stand in the way of the development of our crop of homegrown striking talent.
As another poster put it: signing the Yak for £11 million (given that Robbie Keane is worth £20 million) and getting rid of AJ for £12 million, does represent shrewd transfer dealing.
Andy is shit anyway...always be cautious of players who are only any good for 2-3 years of their 15 year career...so thanks to Fulham for buying more of our cast-offs.
On the Sky point..I hate them because the feeling is Mutual. In the Moutinho article they failed to mention that he was quoted as wanting to come to Everton. They left that bit out to make us look small time and now they are knocking a few million off AJ’s price to make it look like bad business.
Steve Ely, don't believe Sky Sports on the figure; we may not agree with the Board at times but they are definetly money men and will get the most they can. You say £8M but on Five Live they said near £13M so let's just wait till tomorow!
McFadden, Stubbs, Gravesn, Gardner, Carsley, Johnson, Fernandes all leave the club and we don't replace them. How on earth is this squad going to cope with the amount of games we may play again next season? I am very very dissapointed and we now need to really do something big in the transfer market to prevent even more unrest amonst supporters. Incidentally I notice Moyes still hasn't signed his contract yet??
The generally accepted fee being £10-12m. Sky says it?s £8m rising to £11m, BBC says its nearer £13m.
Funny how some people pick the lower one as fact and the higher one as fiction. It?s almost like some of us can?t wait to have the usual tedious rant isn?t it ?
How about waiting and seeing what the official line is before going off on one.
Andrew Johnson - as loyal servant to Everton Football Club as any contracted player in our proud history - is probably by now a Fulham player. And good luck to him (except, of course, against us). From what I know, he has said that he would move, but only to a London club. Seems like he can live with that, which hardly adds up to shabby treatment.
Now what happens to the incoming £10m or so? Look to Iberia - Lisbon and Valencia. Something is going to happen, and our fine club is going to see the best football we have seen since the mid-80s on a regular basis.
Or at least, that is what I think DM is thinking.
I think we should trust Moyes on this one and I don?t believe he?s suddenly turned on AJ and he didn?t turn on Beattie. Vic & Vaughan when played instead of Beatts scored goals and looked a threat when Beatts didn?t so you can?t really blame the service. As for AJ he?s struggled when Yak has scored goals. Even Lescott has looked more lethal in front of goal.
I think a decent bid came in for AJ, who has been on the fringes since we signed the Yak. It?s only because AJ then spat his dummy out that Moyes froze him out because of his attitude. It?s PROGRESS. And EFC are moving forward and slowly but surely improving in all areas.
Moutinho = £17-19m
D Bent = £8-11m
Manny = Loan or - £6-8m
Topal =£6-8m
Keeper ??? probably on loan
At a maximum this will be about £46-47m which I think should come under the Sky plus the outgoing fees.
AJ?s confidence had gone, his first touch was shocking and his goals return after his great start was, for an £8.6m record signing, pretty poor.
Great business on the back of great business for Beattie and McFadden. I just wish we could spend some of the money now. Lets break the bank for AA.
@Terry Smith. £46-47m - are you mad? The Sky money for this year is long gone. That probaly helped pay for the Yak.
I can't see us getting Moutinho and Darren Bent is no better than AJ but is currently being paid about twice as much as AJ. Manny for £6m would be good but I know very little about Topal.
I suspect the only reason he was often seen chasing the ball towards the corner flag was because muppets like Jagielka kept on kicking it there!
Vaughan is still maturing and by far from the finished article, and if the lazy version of Yakubu turns up for the first half of the season, I think this could turn out to be a big mistake.
Both are talented players, but Arshavin is 27 so after his 4 or 5 year contract is up, he wouldn?t be worth much. Moutinho is only 21 and is still improving so there could be serious profit to be made if the club decide to sell him after 3 or 4 years as he will be in his prime.
Arshavin is probably destined to go somewhere that will pay his exhorbitant salary in any case.
You have pathetically short memories and for his attitude, unselfish play, goals against the Shite, playing through the pain barrier with that ankle injury, and being so proud to play for our Club ? you should be grateful and show a bit of respect. He also scored a good few goals, especially away from Goodison where he was a very good counter-attacking striker.
Compared to the lazy Ginolas, fat Gazzas, overweight Beatties, lunatic Fergusons of yesteryear he was streets ahead.
Good luck AJ, except when you play us of course, but I have a feeling you?ll be doing a Brian McBride against us in the future!
However I also think that an eight figure sum for a player who has failed to progress in the 2 years since he joined (and some would say has gone backwards), represents great business for the club. Moutinho would be a terrific use of the money if we could pull off his transfer.
Good business my arse - I am getting increasingly irritated by Moyes - he buys a decent player and then destroys him with his crap tactics. The midfield is the problem and always has been, midgets and lightweights who get steamrollered by the Sky 4. Moutinho won?t score any goals if he dosen?t get the service. The same people saying Johnson is shit now will be saying the same in six months about Moutinho.....
No one can doubt it?s good buisness though. There?s no point in keeping a squad player who we can get £12 million for, it would be quite stupid actually. We have Yakubu and Cahill who are better options, Vaughan has a lot of potential and Victor, despite not being the best, has the ability to chip in with 5-7 goals a season. One more and we?d have 5 strikers really.
Personally I think we will get a replacement in, Moyes isn?t stupid, he knows we can?t go into the season with just Yakubu and I?m positive he?ll get the man he needs. It doesn?t even have to be a world beater, just someone who can come in and do a job when others are injured.
I don?t think it was Moyes?s tactics at all to be honest. AJ failed to make the grade because technically he wasn?t up to it and he was one-dimensional. Defenders had sussed his game out and he never varied his game to keep them thinking. He?s a marked man, you stand off him and limit his space and he?s useless. All workrate and aimless running really.
AJ wasn?t excellent in his first season and I think people need to realise that. He scored 12 goals which for 9 million isn?t brilliant, his all round game limited us at times and his consistency was very hit and miss. Young Vaughan came in towards the end of the season and looked the more accomplished striker.
£12M for AJ is good business only if £12M go back into the pot to buying players. And how come Fulham can cough up £12M? Should we migrate to London then?
Storm clouds are heading this way????
Hardly prolific!
Part of me is sad to see AJ go but if the fee widely reported is correct I would have sold him to. I think part of his unhappiness is the formation we played and asking him to run the channels chasing lost causes. He is much more suited to 4 4 2 football and dont be suprised to see him score 20 goals this season alongside Zamora.
Sporting made it clear its 19 million or nothing and the buy out claus only exists until June 15 each year.. Personally as much as I woul dlove him here I dont see any realistic hope of signing him..
My biggest concern now is who the hell are we going to replace AJ with?. We are going to need tobuy someone with the pace Johnson had because we are going to be back to looking a very very pedestrian team once more especially away from home , as someone pointed out Johnson did very well on the road for us last season as the outlet..
Yakubu is better goalscorer but he doesnt have the same pace as AJ, he is no slouch but he doesnt seem to use his pace to the same affect as in chasing down defenders, he is what we know he is, a penalty box striker which is why he will always be our top scorer whilst he is here.
Im sorry to burst peoples bubble but the dury is still out on Vaughan until he has played a full season with the first team.. Its ok him making a good impact from the bench or the five or six games he starts now and then but he will need to show his fitness this season as like Van Der Meyder there is only so many times you can read "injury setback" next to their names.. Our other striker Anichebe is not really good enough for a regular starting birth.. The thing will Victor is he hasnt really pushed on from when he became a good late substitute and I worry that he can spend too much time giving up on lost causes..
Basically I dont care what people say, I sat down and wathced the season review DVD at the weekend and Everton F.C will miss Johnson, it will miss Carsley and it will miss Fernandes( who started really improving in the latter games). Granted the others that left were never regulars but they were still called up to play in Europe and we had a smallish squad last season, no its even smaller.. I dont know who we are going to sign, if anyone but we sure do need to start making things happen fast. its ok playing warm up friednlies against average to poor opposition but when the real deal starts thats a different story totally.
As it has already been stated, he has not been the same since the first 6 months of his first season, then it's been all down hill. You only have to compare him to The Yak to see what being a rutheless finisher is all about. One on one against a keeper, I would back Yakubu 100 times out of a 100. I wouldn't be able to call it with AJ.
Look at last season with the exception of the Brann goal; Most of his goals twatted him in the face without him knowing (Newcastle, Fiorentina) or he?s took a pot shot and it's come off luckily, even the Sunderland goal (Home) was over ran but he got lucky last minute and the away goal hit his elbow when he ducked!
With the Yak, he finishes, AJ doesn't know how too. I am sorry to see him go because I like him as a person but I won't miss him being included on our team sheets. We need another natural finisher like Yak but with AJ?s pace and I?ll be happy as Larry. Darren Bent is the obvious choice but with what's happening at Spurs, that looks a no go-er!
Moutinho is a must at £16M(ish), Manny (£7M) which is practically all of the McFadden and AJ money anyway plus £5M. I am assuming we already had at least £20M without the sale of anyone so Topal would be nice. I?d even have a look at Scharner as a squad player or for the Carsley role.
Scharner anyone????????
COYFB!!!!!
I think some people are getting confused about the fee. SKY quoted ’an 8 figure sum’ not £8m - as per the official website.
Moutinho, a holding midfielder (Topol? Bradley?) and another striker ... and we?ll be fine!
In Moyes we trust??
Topal would be another class addition and would really cement our midfield, and give us options. The Moutihno deal is looking more & more likely now the player has said he’d like to leave Sporting - I just hope we can get the cash and a bid in quickly enough.
Darren Bent would also be a great player for us, and a fine foil for the Yak. Couple those players with Cahill being fit, Vaughany coming back from injury and even the possibility of VdM making some first team appearances, and we have a decent team at least - plus some of the younger players could/should start to make an impact this year.
Ever the optimist me.....
"He was a trier"
"He ran his little heart out"
"He was a nice guy"
HE IS A SHIT STRIKER! IT'S NOT GOOD BEING A NICE GUY WHEN ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE KEEPER YOU HIT It STRAIGHT AT HIM!!! IT'S NO GOOD BEING A TRIER WHEN YOU HAVE THE FIRST TOUCH OF A RAPIST.
How can you all hang on to a purple patch years ago and that derby match?
Onward forward and goodbye to all the deadwood.
By the way, he hasn't actually signed for them yet!!!
The sale of Andrew Johnson is one of those transfers that should work out best for all concerned. For Everton, for Fulham and for the player himself. Johnson has previously rubbished rumours of him leaving Goodison Park, while David Moyes and Bill Kenwright have both, even during this current transfer window, vehemently denied they want to sell him. But when you look at the facts selling him makes perfect sense - especially at a profit on what they paid Crystal Palace for him two years ago. The main issue for me is that Johnson is simply not going to get any better. At 27-years-old he has done all the improving he can. If he stays, he’s not suddenly going to get 20 goals next season. He did that when he first came into the top flight with Palace but it was very different then. He was an unknown quantity and defenders weren’t used to his pace and movement. And about half of his strikes were penalties because he had one of those one-off campaigns when every time he went down, referees pointed to the spot. And back then, he tended to score all of them because his confidence was soaring higher than one of his penalties against Metalist Kharkiv- but confidence is something he was sorely lacking last season. Apart from in his first seven games for Everton, when he scored six goals, he hasn’t looked like that same player since. And in reality, Johnson is now more of a 10, 11, 12 goals a season player. Which is useful when your team is trying to maintain a challenge to get into Europe. But let’s face it, that kind of tally is absolutely essential to a side like Fulham whose main priority this year will again be retaining their Premier League status. Basically, he will feel more wanted there - and that was another problem Johnson had at Everton. As the club record signing he was the main man, the hero, the one leading the line. But he had all those roles stripped from him last season with the capture of Yakubu and that left Johnson in the kind of environment he can’t really thrive in. He wasn’t the focal point. But if Roy Hodgson is telling him that if he goes to Craven Cottage he will be, then Johnson will be there like a shot. Plus, he’s back in London and anyone with a young family will tell you that being settled somewhere familiar is vital for getting your game on the right track. So Johnson and Everton can be pleased with this bit of business and both should be able to move on. The concern Everton fans might have on that score is that they should be getting players in before they start offloading. But put things into perspective for a second. David Moyes is not someone you can ever accuse of over-spending. He likes to bide his time and make the right deal at the right price. I reckon he’s done that with Johnson - and he’ll no doubt do it again when he wants to bring new players in as well.
In fairness to AJ, he had that problem with a bone is his foot for the second half of his first season, where it was painful for him to kick a ball.
Secondly, quick, pacey strikers are best supplied with quick passes through the middle, as soon as you win the ball, while the defence isn’t quite organised. Did you see that happen once in the last two years?
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good deal for Everton. AJ proved to me he’s not mentally a top striker when he didn’t take a penalty against Fiorentina. It’s just that Everton do not play to Johnson’s strengths at all - our creative players are out wide, so he never got the supply straight through the middle. And he doesn’t have the touch to play any other way.
Prediction: If Fulham keep Bullard fit, Johnson will score 15 goals this season for an otherwise very poor team.
(Ironically, I was watching a preseason game the other week, and Rodwell won the ball, and with his next touch tried to play Johnson through with a 50 yard ball. I thought at the time "he hasn’t had that in 2 years")
I never thought I would agree with Lawrenson but his article in todays Daily Post was spot on, AJ is 27 he is not now going get much better and if we want to make the next step up we need a better level of forward and not ones who crumble under the slightest bit of pressure.
How are you supposed to play it through the middle when naturally your striker drifts the the wings. I’ve watched AJ’s game closesly and when the midfield has the ball his natural instinct is too make a run between the fullback and the left centre half. He rarely ever ran between the two centre halfes down the middle.
It’s not always about the midfield, could it not be the strikers lack of intelligence? You can be as quick as lightening but if you haven’t got the experience, know how and intelligence your not going to succeed.
I look at Robbie Keane when he was at Spurs or Yakubu last season. Neither are as quick as AJ but both read the game well and know when and where to run. Keane was playing with a centre midfield of Jenas and Zokora, neither are creative at all.
AJ’s game just pissed me off, he was so technicallly inept that his pace at times was worthless. You’d be shouting at him to run at someone a outpace then but all he’d be us cut back inside and look for the short pass.
His goalscoring record wouldn’t bother me if he did other useful stuff but he never did, he was very one dimensional.
Meanwhile on planet Everton....... AJ goes to Fulham and spends the entire day having a medical, doesn't complete the move but probably will become a Fulham player "within the next 24 hours", we accept a fee which turns out to be a paltry amount up front and the rest on the drip.
Even our transfers-out are shrouded in doubt, delay and mystery! God I am losing faith in us!
Could this be linked to Project DK being called in and He has chosen to walk rather than fall on his Sword, or maybe it is more of the speculation that seems rife around our once great Club!!
Can’t fault his workrate but he could’nt get a goal for toffee(s)
It’s not just a case of having a creative player, it’s when the passes come. You must understand what I mean - when we win the ball, it takes 10-15 seconds for a through ball to come - usually Carsley wins the ball, knocks it to Neville, who knocks it to Jags, who knocks it to Hibbert, and HE looks for AJ with a long pass. If you watch Spurs, you see the passes for Keane come much, much earlier.
If you take too long, the central defenders have backed off 10 yards and moved a few yards closer together. There just isn’t any room down the middle against good defenders.
I’m not making AJ out to be a world beater. The slow passes wouldn’t matter if he had Keane or Yakubu’s touch in tighter situations. But he doesn’t, and we didn’t use AJ as we could have in an attacking sense. The fact that you can specifically remember a couple of through balls, and the fact that I know exactly which ones you are talking about , sums it up really.
Don’t confuse being a limited player (which AJ is) with being a bad one. Carsley, I’m sure we all agree, was a very limited player. But if you utilise him correctly, he looks much better.
BTW, the Spurs through ball you mention shows exactly what I’m talking about - it was a through ball right on the edge of the area after we’d slowed the game down completely. It didn’t utilise AJ’s pace at all, which was his main strength.
You don?t seem to be publishing my comments again. Made two posts this morning.
Is it because my IP address is unknown or something technical like that?
Yes, Briam, indeed it is. I'm putting them up when I get to them. In the meantime, I don't know what causes the "unknown" IP ? maybe try using a "regular" ISP? ? MK


Personally I cannot say how happy I am to see the back of one Andrew Johnson. He had become totally and utterly useless to us. How many times did the camera zoom in on him after yet another pointless cormner flag foray, and he would be happily jogging back, thumbs up get again in appreciation of yet another lofted mortar shot that he chased down like a faithful mutt. I can't really wish him well playing ofr one of our direct competitors... He did show some promise in those first few games, but lost it far too easily, to the point where it made me wonder if he ever really had it in the first place.
Onward and Upward, Evertonians!