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- Moyes has stated every year he is going to try and break the transfer record. So I think our excitement over these big names are getting the better of most of you.
- Johnson sale is brilliant business and the fact hes joined a lowly Fulham team shows this. The same with McFadden. If these players were so good then top teams would be trailing them or would have intervened in their transfers.
- Moyes is ironing out all the players which he thinks can no longer progress us. He is basically building from the face up again bringing in potential from the lower leagues, young players from the academy and the odd bit of flair from abroad (hopefully). All these may not have happened yet but they will do this season
- He is one of the most astute and well known managers for his in depth research into players personal lives. This is why we have done so well down the years because when we sign a player they settle in straight away because of the team spirit. We only have players at Everton which want to wear the blue shirt. Which is more than can be said for other teams players.
Just stop being negative, we will sign players, but just because your like me tearing my hair out scanning websites for the slightest sniff of a transfer RUMOUR, doesn?t mean were not working our ass off for quality players.
The futures bright, the futures Blue...
Dave Simmonds, Posted 29/07/2008 at 15:25:25
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I’ve posted this before and it didn’t get through, but we have 5 very promising strikers pushing for a place alongside the Yak (Agard, Anichebe, Vaughan, Jutkiewicz and Baxter). It would be very brave, but not inconcievable for Moyes to give youth a chance this season. I don’t think that the kids are quite ready, but I can’t see DM changing from his one up top formation, so any experienced striker that we brought in would have limited match time. Maybe a loan, so as not to stand in the way of the kids development?
I would still love to see Mani signed up- remember that he provided almost every assist at the end of last season. Maybe Valencia would take a cut price deal now that they’re broke?
Even so, we’re still going to need bodies for the midfield. I’m confident though that AJ’s departure will trigger an influx. I’d be very surprised not to see three or four signings coming in atleast.
I would still love to see Mani signed up- remember that he provided almost every assist at the end of last season. Maybe Valencia would take a cut price deal now that they’re broke?
Even so, we’re still going to need bodies for the midfield. I’m confident though that AJ’s departure will trigger an influx. I’d be very surprised not to see three or four signings coming in atleast.
How are you so sure things will happen Dave? What do you know?
Are people just moaning or are they seriously worried that we only have 16 players? I don’t think it’s a case of trusting Moyes because if he was given the correct funds, I’m sure he’d buy the right players. It’s trusting Kenwright that’s the issue. I don’t think Moyes trusts Kenwright otherwise he’d have signed his contract.
Are people just moaning or are they seriously worried that we only have 16 players? I don’t think it’s a case of trusting Moyes because if he was given the correct funds, I’m sure he’d buy the right players. It’s trusting Kenwright that’s the issue. I don’t think Moyes trusts Kenwright otherwise he’d have signed his contract.
"He is one of the most astute and well known managers for his in depth research into players personal lives."
He must have been too drunk to remember the amount AVdM drank the night he was reaserching him then.
He must have been too drunk to remember the amount AVdM drank the night he was reaserching him then.
Yep Moyes sure knows his onions alright.r />Thats Why the worse player I have ever seen at Everton since the PL began has just been given a 4 year extention to his contract at the age of 31.If Phil Neville is the bright future you speak of then we are well and truely fucked my son
So, Mr Marsh, Phil Neville is worse than:
Brett Angell
Stuart Barlow
Toby Linderoth
Gravesen's 2nd spell
Tony Hibbert
Marc Hottiger
David Ginola
Paul Gascoigne
Jesper Blomqvist
Per Krøldrup
Get a grip.
Brett Angell
Stuart Barlow
Toby Linderoth
Gravesen's 2nd spell
Tony Hibbert
Marc Hottiger
David Ginola
Paul Gascoigne
Jesper Blomqvist
Per Krøldrup
Get a grip.
I really wish people would remove the rose-tinted spectacles when discussing Moyes?s transfer dealings. You have to consider them all, not just the good ones...
He is not the messiah - just a very naughty boy - when you consider the following players who were all bought, loaned, or re-signed by Moyes:
Andrew Gardner
Anderson da Silva
James McFadden
Thomas Gravesen
James Beattie
Alessandro Pistone
Gary Naysmith
Simon Davies
Andy Van der Meyde
Per Krøldrup
Guillaume Plessis
Francis Jeffers
Espen Baardsen
I could add Wessels, Li Wei Feng etc....and even Kilbane...and others in their resigned spells...but I won't. Even AJ, at £8.6 million for an average goal return, I would suggest was never a "great" or "astute" buy.
Moyes?s transfer dealings are the same as everyone else?s. Some work, some don't. There is no magical dust...
He is not the messiah - just a very naughty boy - when you consider the following players who were all bought, loaned, or re-signed by Moyes:
Andrew Gardner
Anderson da Silva
James McFadden
Thomas Gravesen
James Beattie
Alessandro Pistone
Gary Naysmith
Simon Davies
Andy Van der Meyde
Per Krøldrup
Guillaume Plessis
Francis Jeffers
Espen Baardsen
I could add Wessels, Li Wei Feng etc....and even Kilbane...and others in their resigned spells...but I won't. Even AJ, at £8.6 million for an average goal return, I would suggest was never a "great" or "astute" buy.
Moyes?s transfer dealings are the same as everyone else?s. Some work, some don't. There is no magical dust...
Jeremy, spot on mate. It is funny how some fans on here are always spouting that Moyes is one of the best managers around when it comes down to signings. They always bigging up his better signings, but don’t want to remember the shite, he has also brought into the club.
Andrew Fearns, Neville is as bad as all of the above if not worse for the simple reason being he has been given at least 8 years wages at this club at around £50 grand a week. The list you give above is made up of bit-part players and stand ins and the whole lot of em didn't rack up as much playing time or bleed the club of resources the way Neville has done. In fact Krøldrup never kicked a ball so how do you know he was shite???
/>Neville is awful and ok sometimes we go over the top in being critical but please dont defend giving Pip another 4 years .He should've been long gone mate.
/>Neville is awful and ok sometimes we go over the top in being critical but please dont defend giving Pip another 4 years .He should've been long gone mate.
Tony, Krøldrup did get a run out at Villa Park and if I remember rightly he got butchered for 45 minutes, was subbed at half time and was never seen again.
I do think you are being a bit harsh on Pip. He?s not exactly Zidane but I think he?s the best right back at the club (granted not much competition) and will do a job for you sitting in the middle of the park if his job is to kick people and then give the ball to people who can play. Is he pleasing on the eye? Nope, but he has to have something in his locker if he has nearly 60 caps.
I do think you are being a bit harsh on Pip. He?s not exactly Zidane but I think he?s the best right back at the club (granted not much competition) and will do a job for you sitting in the middle of the park if his job is to kick people and then give the ball to people who can play. Is he pleasing on the eye? Nope, but he has to have something in his locker if he has nearly 60 caps.
Tony
Neville is not the worst player at the club now - nevermind over the last 15 or 16 years.
As for Krøldrup - if he was any good he would have played more than 45 disastrous minutes.
I agree with Gareth though, he?s not the best player in the world or our club for that matter but extreme opinions of some Evertonians are frankly absurd.
The guy gives his all, is an excellent captain and is disciplined. Everything the "legend" Duncan Ferguson wasn?t. And whatever obscene amounts of money he earns (as do all modern day footballers), he?s put more back into Everton than that lanky crock ever did.
Neville is not the worst player at the club now - nevermind over the last 15 or 16 years.
As for Krøldrup - if he was any good he would have played more than 45 disastrous minutes.
I agree with Gareth though, he?s not the best player in the world or our club for that matter but extreme opinions of some Evertonians are frankly absurd.
The guy gives his all, is an excellent captain and is disciplined. Everything the "legend" Duncan Ferguson wasn?t. And whatever obscene amounts of money he earns (as do all modern day footballers), he?s put more back into Everton than that lanky crock ever did.
Andrew Gardner - Anthony - loan as cover, as it turns out not needed
Anderson da Silva - a free gamble, didn’t pay off
James McFadden - signed for 1.5m sold for 5.5m
Thomas Gravesen - signed as cover
James Beattie - not quite good enough, sold at a 2m loss
Alessandro Pistone - re-signed as cover for 1 year
Gary Naysmith - signed by walter for 1.75m in 2000, sold 6 years later for 1m.
Simon Davies - yeah, shite i’l give you that one
Andy Van der Meyde - see above
Per Krøldrup - again
Guillaume Plessis - a kid signed for the rezzies who never made it - hardly counts.
Francis Jeffers - the kid was talented it was worth a punt or was Arsene wrong when he paid 10m for him
Espen Baardsen - cover thats all
If you look at that list there were maybe 4 genuine fuck ups that cost money (Beattie, VDM, Davies and Koldrup) - thats not a bad return.
Incidentally I read somewhere that Benitez has signed 27 foreign kids since he’s been at Liverpool, all playing in the stiffs, the expectation is that 2 or 3 will make it.
Anderson da Silva - a free gamble, didn’t pay off
James McFadden - signed for 1.5m sold for 5.5m
Thomas Gravesen - signed as cover
James Beattie - not quite good enough, sold at a 2m loss
Alessandro Pistone - re-signed as cover for 1 year
Gary Naysmith - signed by walter for 1.75m in 2000, sold 6 years later for 1m.
Simon Davies - yeah, shite i’l give you that one
Andy Van der Meyde - see above
Per Krøldrup - again
Guillaume Plessis - a kid signed for the rezzies who never made it - hardly counts.
Francis Jeffers - the kid was talented it was worth a punt or was Arsene wrong when he paid 10m for him
Espen Baardsen - cover thats all
If you look at that list there were maybe 4 genuine fuck ups that cost money (Beattie, VDM, Davies and Koldrup) - thats not a bad return.
Incidentally I read somewhere that Benitez has signed 27 foreign kids since he’s been at Liverpool, all playing in the stiffs, the expectation is that 2 or 3 will make it.
Kudos Andrew....
I guess if we argue that any poor signing is "cover" then that makes everything alright...I take my hat off, we had a decent second team just in case.
I guess if we argue that any poor signing is "cover" then that makes everything alright...I take my hat off, we had a decent second team just in case.
Simon Davies did in fact nearly go for the same price we signed him for and he was awful for us but he was probably the best we were going to get at the time.
When we were struggling every season to just survive in the prem when Moyes took over he was never going to be able to go out and buy players like Arteta, Johnson, Yakubu, Moutinho (if he signs) becuase they wouldn’t have come to a club that would offer them just the same if not worse as what they were getting at their prevous club. He’s bought in what we needed at the time and then got rid of them when we got better.
Also even with flops he has admited it and got rid of them quite quick unlike some managers who have to prove a point in that they were worth the money they spent on them. With Van Der Meyde no one wants him and Moyes can’t sack him because he turns up to training the minimum amount of times a week
When we were struggling every season to just survive in the prem when Moyes took over he was never going to be able to go out and buy players like Arteta, Johnson, Yakubu, Moutinho (if he signs) becuase they wouldn’t have come to a club that would offer them just the same if not worse as what they were getting at their prevous club. He’s bought in what we needed at the time and then got rid of them when we got better.
Also even with flops he has admited it and got rid of them quite quick unlike some managers who have to prove a point in that they were worth the money they spent on them. With Van Der Meyde no one wants him and Moyes can’t sack him because he turns up to training the minimum amount of times a week
Morons ! anybody who thinks the likes of Gosling, Rodwell and Baxter will get anywhere near the starting 11 in a prem game this season. These are untried,inexperienced kids who will get a run out in the carling cup against lower division opposition. Anichebe has been coming through for 3 full seasons and is rarely considered for a start in a match. We need to sign 6 players with some premiership experience under their belt who we will be doomed as soon as injuries and suspensions kick in-let alone the uefa cup.
Gareth, Pip usually does give the ball to people who can play, but those people are usually on the opposing bloody side
The only possible reason that Captain Pip’s contract has been extended in this way is that he is tied into the club off the field - a coaching / management role perhaps. He is definitely part of Moyes’ second five year plan.
To me, this means that DM is thinking long term, that we will be built on a solid defensive foundation for the forseeable future, and we will be up there fighting the super-rich for their place in the Sun, or should that be Sky?
All stops out to get a 21 year old Portugese midfield star, and Jose Baxter being brought through. Interesting times.
To me, this means that DM is thinking long term, that we will be built on a solid defensive foundation for the forseeable future, and we will be up there fighting the super-rich for their place in the Sun, or should that be Sky?
All stops out to get a 21 year old Portugese midfield star, and Jose Baxter being brought through. Interesting times.
I bet Moyes regrets sellin Faddy now tho, we should never have let him go!
And yes, I did think we should keep him at the time, I’m not 1 of these people who turn back on their stories.
And yes, I did think we should keep him at the time, I’m not 1 of these people who turn back on their stories.
He is one of the most astute and well known managers for his in depth research into players personal lives.
I have only 4 words to say.
Andy Van Der Merde
I have only 4 words to say.
Andy Van Der Merde
Pip is a decent right-back if you compare him to Anichebe. But that’s not entirely Moyes’ fault but the youth system and the twat who promoted him to the seniors. Don’t worry, Moyes is the Exorcist version for Everton strikers and we’ll see the back of anyone who can’t run their arse off, defend right up the field, fight off 4 defenders on his own, win every hoofball, oh and chip in a few goals when completely knackered.
Some of you are ridiculous. Jeremy wants to complain that Moyes signed some players for fuck-all and they didn?t turn out to be the stars that Cahill and Arteta did. Most of the players who turn out to be crap were sold for decent money. And there was absolutly no one complaining when moyes signed VDM for nothing.
Anderson Da Silva was actually sold after being signed on a free
Gravesen cost nothing when he came at the start of the season.
Now everyone wants to complain that AJ is being sold for more then we paid for him after spending all last season complaining that he?s useless.
Anderson Da Silva was actually sold after being signed on a free
Gravesen cost nothing when he came at the start of the season.
Now everyone wants to complain that AJ is being sold for more then we paid for him after spending all last season complaining that he?s useless.
When you are shopping at the bottom table then you are bound to get some shit.
Fair enough Kroldrup, Davies Beattie etc. But if you ask me, anyone who signs Arteta for £2.3M, Cahill for £2M, Lescott for £4.5M, Yobo for £4.5M, Yakubu for £11M, Pienaar for £2M can do what the hell he likes.
I?ll just throw a few other "mistakes" up in the air and maybe you can verify how much those cost against what ours cost........
Steve Marlet - £11M
Emile Heskey - £11M
Juan Veron - £26M and the rest
Nicolas Anelka - £15M
Florent Malouda - £14M
Francis Jeffers - £10M
Dick Kuyt, Djibril Cisse, Salif Diao, Gonzalez!!!!
So when you go slagging off Moyes for his transfer dealings, just have a think about how much they REALLY cost in comparison to what other clubs spend on shite.
Fair enough Kroldrup, Davies Beattie etc. But if you ask me, anyone who signs Arteta for £2.3M, Cahill for £2M, Lescott for £4.5M, Yobo for £4.5M, Yakubu for £11M, Pienaar for £2M can do what the hell he likes.
I?ll just throw a few other "mistakes" up in the air and maybe you can verify how much those cost against what ours cost........
Steve Marlet - £11M
Emile Heskey - £11M
Juan Veron - £26M and the rest
Nicolas Anelka - £15M
Florent Malouda - £14M
Francis Jeffers - £10M
Dick Kuyt, Djibril Cisse, Salif Diao, Gonzalez!!!!
So when you go slagging off Moyes for his transfer dealings, just have a think about how much they REALLY cost in comparison to what other clubs spend on shite.
Erik,
how can you assess managers work based on one negative example?
if there is one bright spot at EFC its DM and I for one hope that he will re-sign.
how can you assess managers work based on one negative example?
if there is one bright spot at EFC its DM and I for one hope that he will re-sign.
?I?m expecting to play over 60 games next year. I?m expecting to get to Cup finals, I?m expecting to have a long run in the Uefa Cup and I?m expecting to do well in the League. So, I?m going to need lots of cover and lots of players.?
Thats what I want to hear from our manager.
Thats what I want to hear from our manager.
Andrew Fearns...
"The guy gives his all, is an excellent captain and is disciplined. Everything the "legend" Duncan Ferguson wasn?t.
You Sir, are an arse...
The second rate mancunian yard dog, isn?t fit to prune the Hedgerow of Duncans mallorcan villa...
How the fuck do you class Neville as a great captain, ??? is it by shouting "come on eh lads", or by jumping into tackles every now and again, because if so, I do that every fuckin Sunday morning!!!
A great captain you oaf, is somebody akin to Kevin Ratcliff or Dave Watson...
"The guy gives his all, is an excellent captain and is disciplined. Everything the "legend" Duncan Ferguson wasn?t.
You Sir, are an arse...
The second rate mancunian yard dog, isn?t fit to prune the Hedgerow of Duncans mallorcan villa...
How the fuck do you class Neville as a great captain, ??? is it by shouting "come on eh lads", or by jumping into tackles every now and again, because if so, I do that every fuckin Sunday morning!!!
A great captain you oaf, is somebody akin to Kevin Ratcliff or Dave Watson...
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Granted, I agree our numbers are short at the moment, but I think the 5 players suggested by Moyes we need to bring in is about right. For all the extreme doubters, we don't need more!
Surely some of our youngsters can fill in the void... Not all of them obviously, but I reckon Rodwell, Gosling and maybe even Baxter can be considered as squad players.
If we can get a Carsley replacement, AJ replacement, creative midfielder (Moutinho hopefully) and maybe some fringe players in goal and defence, we'll be fine! The lack of confidence in the mailbag is boring now, it happens every year, can't we just be patient in the transfer front and see what happens? After all, there is nothing us fans can do to make more signings, so why bother moaning all the time?
P.S sorry, this doesn't count for everybody, just to the extreme pessimistic people