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Apart from all the obvious crap about Moyes' resignation (which I've been scanning every Everton forum all day to read about), does anyone else think this Moutinho bid is a bit fishy?
It reaks of that Lucho Gonzalez "bid" last year where this dodgy agent was involved to help us get Fernandes. The same agent then shafted us by selling Fernandes to Valencia. I am sure this Moutinho bid is a way of playing ball with this idiot agent again so we get Fernandes. We help out the agent by showing Moutinho's availability so another club buys him for his incredibly inflated price (for a midget untested 21-year-old) thus lining agent's pockets, we then get Fernandes on loan with a view to buying if we can raise the money by next season.
Watch this fishy space. Moutinho will sign for either Chelsea or a top Spanish side in the next week and we'll have Fernandes on another year's loan.
Alan Clarke, Posted 31/07/2008 at 20:28:04
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well thats 2 minutes of my life im not going to get back...
You have a good memory Alan, yes indeeed it was Zavia which caused our problems last year, but he also got us the Yak as well, so here come’s the silly question Fernandes or the Yak for £12,000,000.?, I know their different players , it’s swings and roundabouts Alan, agents control players, we have no choice but to do business with them, i think it’s time to watch old copies of the X Files, remember Alan the truth is out there!!!!! Fernandes won’t be back. Let’s get over him.Mouthino will be here on Monday or some other year perhaps here’s the new thread " if Mouthino comes back in January" sorry fellow Blues I couldn’t resist it.
Im a little bit more concerned by the qoutes that Moyes made in the last 24 hours in his interview..To be perfectly honest he seems downright bemused and pissed off with the transfer situation..Now I have no idea what the story is at Everton regarding buying players but its obvious something has gone on untoward and the statement that no incoming transfers are imminent is more depressing news for us..I am sure this Moutinho thing will drag on for weeks on end before we know one way or the other if we will get him .. Moyes does seem fed up with whats gone on and I dont think it was just the fact that we lost and played shit against Chicago Fire either..Everyday other clubs are signing players 48 hours after we first read about it in the media, teletext ect yet at everton we hear about a player being linked with us but it takes weeks and weeks of drawn out speculation, yet still nothing has happened and according to Moyes himself nothing is imminent.. My wory is the fact that he has acknowledged that we need six players BEFORE the season starts, but whether he believes he is going to get them is another matter altogether..
Its all in all beeen a very dissapointing summer of unrest and uncertainty and it doesnt look like getting much clearer over the coming days.
Its all in all beeen a very dissapointing summer of unrest and uncertainty and it doesnt look like getting much clearer over the coming days.
Alan,
you lost me when you called him a midget untested 21-year-old.
He is one of Portugal's top players and just remind me again how far Portugal got in the Euro?s compared to England.
you lost me when you called him a midget untested 21-year-old.
He is one of Portugal's top players and just remind me again how far Portugal got in the Euro?s compared to England.
Agree that Moutinho is class, even if he hasn’t played in the premiership. But presumably Wyness was negotiating the transfer, and any of te 5 or 6 others we have to get in according to Moyes, so no wonder DM is feeling at a loss..he leaves the country for ne week...you never know with Everton, we never do things the easy way, but logic tells you that this summer is not going the way we had hoped having finshed 5th in the premier league and having had a really good year in the domestic and European cups. If we’re struggling for finnce after that, what state are we in and what can we realistically do about it (apart from sell players like AJ of course...)
I’m sceptical of much that goes on at Everton, but I think you are suffering from paranoia, Alan.
I think things will become clearer in the next week. We don’t actually know if AJ has gone yet do we?
We’re now going to witness Fat Keith holding the Club to ransom to not spill the beans apparently. Grubby and says a lot about him. Maybe there is too much in the wardrobe and it will burst open soon....
I think things will become clearer in the next week. We don’t actually know if AJ has gone yet do we?
We’re now going to witness Fat Keith holding the Club to ransom to not spill the beans apparently. Grubby and says a lot about him. Maybe there is too much in the wardrobe and it will burst open soon....
I do think we were or still are close to the Moutinho deal. But it will be very interesting to see what Mr Wyness says about leaving Everton. He has come out and said you will all know in the next few days and it had nothing to do with the stadium & Mallorca have said that they have not offered him the job. Blue Kipper & Moyes comments on tv tonight look like there is fuck all in the pot. If this is the case, I think Kenwright should do the right thing and stand down. As the business is getting done on the field and it is becoming a joke in the boardroom.
We’ll see then but I know as well as most of you we won’t sign Moutinho. How many of you know that much about him? Is he really class? have you watched a lot of games or does he just sound exotic and therefore he must be good!
I am honestly wondering why the hell we haven’t signed him yet when we were supposedly bidding for him 2 weeks ago.
I am honestly wondering why the hell we haven’t signed him yet when we were supposedly bidding for him 2 weeks ago.
Alan Clarke, I have seen him and he is potentially excellent. If he came here he’d give us another dimensional and develop into a top quality midfielder.
He’s from a latin background but he has a British mentality. He’s hardworking, has good leadership skills and is a team player. He isn’t flashy but he’s technically very good, intelligent and has box to box energy.
He keeps teams ticking, he controls the pace of games and he loves the football. He demands it, he keeps it and he distributes well. Only thing he lacks is physical presence but he’s no fairy, he can tackle and he has a big heart which makes up for his lack of stature.
Quality player, potentially excellent but not ready for a top four team which is the reason we are in line to sign him. He has the ability to get into a top four team but at the moment they all seem to have 4/5 quality players position.
We have a chance to sign him, if we pay the fee we’ll get him.
He’s from a latin background but he has a British mentality. He’s hardworking, has good leadership skills and is a team player. He isn’t flashy but he’s technically very good, intelligent and has box to box energy.
He keeps teams ticking, he controls the pace of games and he loves the football. He demands it, he keeps it and he distributes well. Only thing he lacks is physical presence but he’s no fairy, he can tackle and he has a big heart which makes up for his lack of stature.
Quality player, potentially excellent but not ready for a top four team which is the reason we are in line to sign him. He has the ability to get into a top four team but at the moment they all seem to have 4/5 quality players position.
We have a chance to sign him, if we pay the fee we’ll get him.
Two weeks to the start of the season, so how the hell do you get 6 players in in that time, especially at the pace Evertons transfer sagas move at. Bid, reject, Bid, reject, accepted, delayed flight, WTF is he?, Medical 2 days, has he passed/hasnt he passed, personal terms..then..stupid picture with scarf!! imagine 5/6 times that..apart from the last minute 24 hr desperation deal (usualy a dud: Gardener, Gravesen etc)..and Everton never seem to sign more than one at a time anyway!!
We’re like a ricketty house of cards with Moyes on the top..He must be well pissed off with the way this club is being run. what the hell goes wrong during the summer?
We’re like a ricketty house of cards with Moyes on the top..He must be well pissed off with the way this club is being run. what the hell goes wrong during the summer?
Your argument isn’t completely cojent, but you might actually have a point. If we’re relying on the proceeds from Andy Johnson’s sale, and we need 5 or 6 players, why are we blowing our wad on a solitary midfield player?! I wouldn’t even particuarly describe him as an attacking midfielder, as his record is something like 1 in 10.
It doesn’t make sense at all. If we’re that short of cash, then Davey should be shopping in the bargain basement. Zoltan Gera would have added some height to our midfield. I think that Chris Eagles has dropped down too far in his persuit of first team football, considering that every time he plays for their first team he seems to score and he’s been running the show in their reserves. He would have been an absolute snip at £1 million.
Ok, so they’re not world beaters, but they’d be a higher class of Kilbane or Marcus Bent...affordable players who get the job done in the short term and represent a modest profit.
It doesn’t make sense at all. If we’re that short of cash, then Davey should be shopping in the bargain basement. Zoltan Gera would have added some height to our midfield. I think that Chris Eagles has dropped down too far in his persuit of first team football, considering that every time he plays for their first team he seems to score and he’s been running the show in their reserves. He would have been an absolute snip at £1 million.
Ok, so they’re not world beaters, but they’d be a higher class of Kilbane or Marcus Bent...affordable players who get the job done in the short term and represent a modest profit.
I dont know how much Sunderland paid for Steed Malbranque but i think he would have been a very useful addition to our squad, there are more than a few who we have missed out on as let's not kid ourseves we ca'nt just sign world beaters alone and nor are we likely too.
Some friends feed back from the States is that on seeing Moyes, his body language appears to be just as fed up with whatever is going on as us, his decision to go or stay is apparently on a knife edge and given a decent option could well GO sooner rather than later (possibly on the return from USA). If the strong rumours about Green & Earl pulling there cash are true ? We realy are up shit alley. Could there be a serious financial threat to the clubs long term future ? It seems like the crown jewels are gone & that without a cash influx from somewhere the only assetts left are the playing staff ! everything else is apparently mortgaged to the hilt. Unless there is some dramatic change, next season looks awful like it could be a long & miserable one. I do pray I am totally wrong.
My excitement about the coming season has dissipated recently due to the obvious threadbare nature of our squad and lack of adequate purchases. This has lead to no bedding in time for any potential newcomers and could lead to our being ill prepared for the new season, if finally we do get bodies in.
So is the money is available? The club says it is but with the credit crunch being on at the moment and some Banks not even lending funds to well established, blue chip customers, which financial institution in their right mind would lend EFC £30m or so at the moment for new players, the value of which could be wiped out overnight for any number of reasons?
We haven’t got a generous benefactor or sponsor, so unless BK has a secret stash of notes under his bed, my fear is that we’re indebted as far as we can go at the present time.
How I long for Moutinho to sign as this would prove that we must be solvent, Which manager would splash all that cash on a single player if funds were limited? Only when such an event occurs will I regain my enthusiasm for the forthcoming season and believe that we can maintain our progress.
I cannot believe that we are delaying purchases because we are waiting for the right quality player to become available. It doesn’t make sense to wait until the final month of the transfer window when everyone can see you’re desperate to sign players and the transfer fees rocket up even higher!
Roll on a Moutinho size transfer and restore my faith and enthusiam!
So is the money is available? The club says it is but with the credit crunch being on at the moment and some Banks not even lending funds to well established, blue chip customers, which financial institution in their right mind would lend EFC £30m or so at the moment for new players, the value of which could be wiped out overnight for any number of reasons?
We haven’t got a generous benefactor or sponsor, so unless BK has a secret stash of notes under his bed, my fear is that we’re indebted as far as we can go at the present time.
How I long for Moutinho to sign as this would prove that we must be solvent, Which manager would splash all that cash on a single player if funds were limited? Only when such an event occurs will I regain my enthusiasm for the forthcoming season and believe that we can maintain our progress.
I cannot believe that we are delaying purchases because we are waiting for the right quality player to become available. It doesn’t make sense to wait until the final month of the transfer window when everyone can see you’re desperate to sign players and the transfer fees rocket up even higher!
Roll on a Moutinho size transfer and restore my faith and enthusiam!
And to think of all those people that praised Kenwright for protecting us from becoming the next Leeds!
Please don’t waste the entire transfer budget on Mouthino.He’s a highly skilful lightweight(peanuts,arteta and fernandes) who will take two seasons to settle into the premier league.Buy Bent and Steve Davis for the same money.
Just out of sheer exasperation I took a trip back to the TW mailbag of July 2007. Guess what, opinion then was we hadn?t signed anybody but that - "jack of all trades, master of none" - Jagielka. Oh & by the way, we had to sell James Beattie to finance even that meagre acquisition. Of course this year we are spot on with our assessment of Everton?s pre-season activities.
Another point that intrigues me is, why is the lack of transfer activity no longer laid at "Dithering Dave?s" door?
Another point that intrigues me is, why is the lack of transfer activity no longer laid at "Dithering Dave?s" door?
Simon Birdsey, good post. Chris Eagles is the kind of player that we should be looking for.Burnley have made the best buy for years.
Andy Crooks, since when did a creative midfielder have to be tall and Physical?
Moutinho will be fine in this League and he won’t take two years to adapt. Arteta and Pienaar adapted quickly.
Why are players like Chris Eagles being mentioned, a very aerage player who isn’t one of our targets and never will be. People lack ambition badly, get a grip.
Moutinho will be fine in this League and he won’t take two years to adapt. Arteta and Pienaar adapted quickly.
Why are players like Chris Eagles being mentioned, a very aerage player who isn’t one of our targets and never will be. People lack ambition badly, get a grip.
I dont think a lot of people understand Everton?s problem or the extent of it. The first one is Moyes not signing the contract. The second is Wyness resigning. The third is the secrecy Everton FC have insisted on for the past few years. I dont understand with the relatively low cost of wages, the money Sky puts in etc. We can be out bid by the Wigans and the Fulhams. There are 3 or 4 reasons Wyness resigned. Maybe half a million pounds a year was not enough, maybe he had enough and become as dillusioned as Moyes, maybe decided he wanted to spend more time with the family. Maybe the real reason was he failed and he had to go with dignity. There is something going on. Its so obvious. Why we are skint may be the big problem and he was paid all this money to oversee all this.
As usual, Connor hits the nail on the head.
Moutinho would not get into Man Utd's or Chelsea's team at this stage -- for anyone else he would be ace.
He wants to come -- fee verbally agreed. Why the negativity? Only reason it hasn?t been in writing is because Sporting would have to pay Moutinho 10% of any rejected bid.
Moyes has never said anything regarding transfer concerns... just that he wants 5 or 6 players -- same as last month!
Moutinho would not get into Man Utd's or Chelsea's team at this stage -- for anyone else he would be ace.
He wants to come -- fee verbally agreed. Why the negativity? Only reason it hasn?t been in writing is because Sporting would have to pay Moutinho 10% of any rejected bid.
Moyes has never said anything regarding transfer concerns... just that he wants 5 or 6 players -- same as last month!
As I’ve stated on another link here, according to A Bola Joao Moutinho and his agent Zahavi are claiming ?1.5M from Sporting because he has a clause in his contract stating that they have to pay him 10% of any offer they reject of ?15M or more. Either Zahavi is using his knowledge of his client’s contract to get the cheapest deal posible for Everton, or we are being used for Moutinho’s benefit while Evertonians are supposedly placated. Take your pick.
Chris--that’s wrong info mate -- no formal bids in writing thus no pay off.
Otherwise we could keep making formal bids of 15.1 million / 15.2 million etc etc until moutinho becomes richer than bill gates!
Otherwise we could keep making formal bids of 15.1 million / 15.2 million etc etc until moutinho becomes richer than bill gates!
Are you Sporting’s lawyer Mark? I didn’t say they should pay it or will pay it, I said that Moutinho and Zahavi are claiming it. The lack of a formal written offer and the date are Sporting’s arguments as to why they shouldn’t pay it.
I quoted my source, if you say it’s wrong info then quote yours please.
In any case, whether they pay the money or not, the motives for making the bid (at exactly the number where that clause kicks in) are called into question if A Bola’s story is true.
I quoted my source, if you say it’s wrong info then quote yours please.
In any case, whether they pay the money or not, the motives for making the bid (at exactly the number where that clause kicks in) are called into question if A Bola’s story is true.
Here’s the link by the way:
http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=145475
And A Bola aren’t in the habit of inventing stories about Sporting as a general rule
http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=145475
And A Bola aren’t in the habit of inventing stories about Sporting as a general rule
Tony Part, good shout on Malbranque mate I thought that as well, if I remember rightly we were in for him last time when he went to Spurs.
Anothjer one for the squad currently looking for a team is Solano, usefull player in my opinion.
We need bodies in but we don’t seem to be able to wheel and deal like other teams.
How can the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, Villa and all the rest be in better shape than us - we are officially the 5th best team in the country.
NOT FOR LONG I FEAR !!
We are totally mis-managed and we constantly miss out on opportunitys to move on. What a shambles and laughing stock we are!!
Anothjer one for the squad currently looking for a team is Solano, usefull player in my opinion.
We need bodies in but we don’t seem to be able to wheel and deal like other teams.
How can the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, Villa and all the rest be in better shape than us - we are officially the 5th best team in the country.
NOT FOR LONG I FEAR !!
We are totally mis-managed and we constantly miss out on opportunitys to move on. What a shambles and laughing stock we are!!
just had a look at front page of portuguese sports paper a bola which has a picture of moutinho waving (goodbye?) to sporting fans and the headline translates as something like ’continues to be determined to leave for england’ - oh bloody hell lets sign him...or anyone
Connor, we already have a world class playmaker in Arteta (who really should play in the middle). We need a strong physical presence in midfield which is where I believe our apparently limited funds should be spent.
I’ve had more translation and it just quoting that Moyes says after loosing 2 - 0 the other day that Moutinho is not his top priority at the moment....
It goes on to say that Everton are waiting on the Sale of AJ.... I hope the player isn’t reading the papers...
I wish all this would end Happy!!! Please!!!
It goes on to say that Everton are waiting on the Sale of AJ.... I hope the player isn’t reading the papers...
I wish all this would end Happy!!! Please!!!
Andy Crooks, but he doesn’t does he, Arteta is a wide player and always will be under Moyes. If we moved him centrally then we’d have to spend money on a new winger.
Moyes has made central midfield his top priority, he’s trying bringing in Moutinho plus a ball winner. The French press are reporting that we’ve bid 8 million Euros for Stephane M’Bia, a defensive midfielder who plays for Rennes. M’Bia is 6ft 2 and has enough power, energy and mobility about him.
We know nothing about our funds. Moyes has said he has money to spend and usually he’s very honest. If he hasn’t got money he’d tell us and if Bill didn’t give him money he probably would have walked.
I’m confident we’ll get the players we need, It’s not perfect the way we have gone about things but I’m sure Moyes will get what he wants.
On the Ojogo link, I’ve read it and all they’ve done is quote the Echo’s article yesterday. As we know the Echo completely changed Moyes’s words to make it look even more negative that it already is.
Moyes has made central midfield his top priority, he’s trying bringing in Moutinho plus a ball winner. The French press are reporting that we’ve bid 8 million Euros for Stephane M’Bia, a defensive midfielder who plays for Rennes. M’Bia is 6ft 2 and has enough power, energy and mobility about him.
We know nothing about our funds. Moyes has said he has money to spend and usually he’s very honest. If he hasn’t got money he’d tell us and if Bill didn’t give him money he probably would have walked.
I’m confident we’ll get the players we need, It’s not perfect the way we have gone about things but I’m sure Moyes will get what he wants.
On the Ojogo link, I’ve read it and all they’ve done is quote the Echo’s article yesterday. As we know the Echo completely changed Moyes’s words to make it look even more negative that it already is.
Connor, Arteta’s most recent interview states that he sees himself as a more central midfielder. I just think the fee for Moutinho is ludicrous and considering we have no money, why the hell are we bidding for him? It doesn’t make sense but some people have got their heads so far up in the clouds they don’t seem to be able to think sensibly i.e we can’t afford to blow our budget on one 5ft 2 inch player.
So why are we pursuing him if it’s obvious we can’t afford him. my conspiracy theory still stands.
Oh and Mike Grundy, did you learn that insult from your wife?
So why are we pursuing him if it’s obvious we can’t afford him. my conspiracy theory still stands.
Oh and Mike Grundy, did you learn that insult from your wife?
Alan Clarke, Arteta said he is naturally a more central player which he is but also claimed he will play anwhere as long as he sees enough of the ball.
The sytem we play is interchangeble and players like Pienaar and Arteta can go anywhere they want. They can drift inside and look for the ball or they can cause havoc on the flanks. Arteta isn’t the first central player to be moved to the flanks, Hleb and Rosicky did it at Arsenal and Wenger is a fan of the wingless system, Moyes also uses the system.
At at the end of the day, Moyes has used Arteta on the right for three seasons now, I doubt all of a sudden he’s going to put him in the middle. If we don’t buy Moutinho, Osman will continue in the middle, not Arteta.
As much as I like Osman I think we need better, Moutinho is alot better and would be perfect for the box to box role. What people seem to be forgetting is Moutinho is alot more than a play maker, he’s an all round midfielder something Arteta isn’t. He can pass, he gets up and down the pitch, he’s intelligent, he works his socks off and he’ll battle with anyone.
Why are Evertonians so against small players? I agree we need to add height in certain areas (defensive midfield/right back) but attacking midifeld isn’t a position that needs a 6’2 inch grock. It’s a position that needs technique, ceative abilities, work rate and intelligence. Moutinho fits the bill.
How do we know what the budget is? Moyes has made it very clear that he has money and he’s not stupid enough to spend it all on one player. He’d needs 4/5 players and he obviously sees Moutinho as one of those players.
The sytem we play is interchangeble and players like Pienaar and Arteta can go anywhere they want. They can drift inside and look for the ball or they can cause havoc on the flanks. Arteta isn’t the first central player to be moved to the flanks, Hleb and Rosicky did it at Arsenal and Wenger is a fan of the wingless system, Moyes also uses the system.
At at the end of the day, Moyes has used Arteta on the right for three seasons now, I doubt all of a sudden he’s going to put him in the middle. If we don’t buy Moutinho, Osman will continue in the middle, not Arteta.
As much as I like Osman I think we need better, Moutinho is alot better and would be perfect for the box to box role. What people seem to be forgetting is Moutinho is alot more than a play maker, he’s an all round midfielder something Arteta isn’t. He can pass, he gets up and down the pitch, he’s intelligent, he works his socks off and he’ll battle with anyone.
Why are Evertonians so against small players? I agree we need to add height in certain areas (defensive midfield/right back) but attacking midifeld isn’t a position that needs a 6’2 inch grock. It’s a position that needs technique, ceative abilities, work rate and intelligence. Moutinho fits the bill.
How do we know what the budget is? Moyes has made it very clear that he has money and he’s not stupid enough to spend it all on one player. He’d needs 4/5 players and he obviously sees Moutinho as one of those players.
Thanks Connor, I’ve been playing Football Manager and really struggling to get the best out of Arteta; he never seems to get involved enough when you play him wide, yet gets a little lost in the middle - I’ve even tried giving him a free role but to no avail.
Nice one connor, bit of perspective.
As for Green and Earle, they are very, very close mates of Kenwright. I’m no lover of Kenwright, as someone who does marketing for a living the commercial arm of our club is awful and unimaginative; BK’s stating at the ESCLA event we didn’t need a club shop in the city centre made me despair! BUT, in BKs shoes you wouldn’t class Earle or Green as mates if they helped you financially then pulled the rug from under you the next minute. Sending out Rocky and buying 25% of the club, if Earle is pulling out the funding then he’s got a wicked sense of humour! Green has always said he’s an advisor to Kenwright, but is also a "friend", his own words... Maybe KW went because he was up against such a tight friendship? I’m just speculating there. Also, they haven’t funded us, they’ve underwritten huge debts! We had 12m quid left over from manny deal that never took place, 5.5m for mcFadden, then hopefully some cash for AJ. I don’t think French or Portugese papers making news up re: our bids for Mbia or Moutinho, and they would be quality additions. We only need one more striker to my mind, but one of high quality, and it seems Spurs have given up on Milito... We’ll see soon, but all of this conjecture is pointless.
Dominic Kings paranoid piece in the Echo came only one day after some biting comments about his brown nosing the corridors of power in a piece after Buster resigned (check his blog page, usually a lazy regurgitation of the article he wrote in the Echo). Coincidence that?
Yeah, Moyes is concerned but just ’cos a betting shop stops bets doesn’t mean a thing, they don’t want to end up losing serious cash if the worst happens.
Fingers crossed I am proven right, as I don’t think anyone really wants the more positive outlook of the likes of Connor and myself to turn out to be misplaced...
Fingers crossed.
COYB
As for Green and Earle, they are very, very close mates of Kenwright. I’m no lover of Kenwright, as someone who does marketing for a living the commercial arm of our club is awful and unimaginative; BK’s stating at the ESCLA event we didn’t need a club shop in the city centre made me despair! BUT, in BKs shoes you wouldn’t class Earle or Green as mates if they helped you financially then pulled the rug from under you the next minute. Sending out Rocky and buying 25% of the club, if Earle is pulling out the funding then he’s got a wicked sense of humour! Green has always said he’s an advisor to Kenwright, but is also a "friend", his own words... Maybe KW went because he was up against such a tight friendship? I’m just speculating there. Also, they haven’t funded us, they’ve underwritten huge debts! We had 12m quid left over from manny deal that never took place, 5.5m for mcFadden, then hopefully some cash for AJ. I don’t think French or Portugese papers making news up re: our bids for Mbia or Moutinho, and they would be quality additions. We only need one more striker to my mind, but one of high quality, and it seems Spurs have given up on Milito... We’ll see soon, but all of this conjecture is pointless.
Dominic Kings paranoid piece in the Echo came only one day after some biting comments about his brown nosing the corridors of power in a piece after Buster resigned (check his blog page, usually a lazy regurgitation of the article he wrote in the Echo). Coincidence that?
Yeah, Moyes is concerned but just ’cos a betting shop stops bets doesn’t mean a thing, they don’t want to end up losing serious cash if the worst happens.
Fingers crossed I am proven right, as I don’t think anyone really wants the more positive outlook of the likes of Connor and myself to turn out to be misplaced...
Fingers crossed.
COYB
What Connor said. Lol.
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