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Coral's suspend betting on Moyes
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Just picking up on a point made on another ToffeeeWeb thread by James Newcombe which perhaps deserves much more attention. It appears that Coral Bookmakers are no longer taking bets on David Moyes being the next Premier League manager to leave his post!!!!
Brendan McLaughlin, Posted 01/08/2008 at 00:59:28
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That is false! think true Evertonians will agree with me that Moysey has done a fantastic in building the team we have now, especially with the money he gets given each year. I hope strongly that Moysey doesn't leave; I think he is the best manager in the EPL.
"Why not just believe him and stop this fucking pathetic rumour/scare mongering"
Alan, the lad just reported the current odds and not starting any rumour...
It scares the living daylights out of me! What a shit pre-season! :-(
Alan, the lad just reported the current odds and not starting any rumour...
It scares the living daylights out of me! What a shit pre-season! :-(
I think if Moyes was going to resign he’d wait until he got back from America so we’ll probably find out soon enough.
Sorry Alan mate, I meant Matty.
No scaremongering from me.Moyes is seriously pissed off.
We had a bid accepted for Mouthino but Kenwright and Earl have had a fall out and the money is no longer there. Unless it’s sorted Moyes will probably walk.
We had a bid accepted for Mouthino but Kenwright and Earl have had a fall out and the money is no longer there. Unless it’s sorted Moyes will probably walk.
I effing hate it when the season hasn’t started and all this speculation bullcrap is going around.
Moyes is leaving
Moyes is staying
Johnson is leaving
Johnson is staying
Moutinho is signing
Moutinho is not signing.
Can we not just f##king wait and see what happens and stop speculating and scaremongering?
Moyes is leaving
Moyes is staying
Johnson is leaving
Johnson is staying
Moutinho is signing
Moutinho is not signing.
Can we not just f##king wait and see what happens and stop speculating and scaremongering?
The bookmakers intelligence service is second to none. There must have been a few insider bets going on for the one of the big three bookmakers in this country to suspend its betting. I’m afraid there must be something to this. My bet is the crunch will come on the return from the Sates. For the next manager, and a nightmare scenario, watch Kenwright go for Allardyce. The football will be crap but he did well with bugger all to spend just like us.
Fuck me, even Betfair are only offering 33/1 ON for him to be the first to go now!
he is evens on betfair now
I donl’t think this is just scaremongering. I’ve just looked at the Coral site and it looks like they have indeed suspended betting on Moyes.
It’s likely to have been a tip-off that Coral have received and they are trying to substantiate it. It’s unlikely however, they would take such action, unless it was from someone they deem to be a reliable source.
That said, wouldn’t be the first time the Bookies gor it wrong either.
It’s likely to have been a tip-off that Coral have received and they are trying to substantiate it. It’s unlikely however, they would take such action, unless it was from someone they deem to be a reliable source.
That said, wouldn’t be the first time the Bookies gor it wrong either.
Brian , I’m not speculating or scaremongering.
Moyes will probably leave if the situation is not sorted between Kenwright and Earl.There is only a very small transfer fund if they don’t.Certainly not enough to bring in six or seven players.
Johnson has failed the medical.
And Mouthino is approximately £10 million outside our transfer budget at the moment.So make of that what you will.
Moyes will probably leave if the situation is not sorted between Kenwright and Earl.There is only a very small transfer fund if they don’t.Certainly not enough to bring in six or seven players.
Johnson has failed the medical.
And Mouthino is approximately £10 million outside our transfer budget at the moment.So make of that what you will.
Bookies don’t deal in scaremongering, they deal in hard cold facts, reliable tip offs and betting trends. Obviously somethings seriously wrong for Coral to take this action.
But are we really surprised? Everton released a statement back in May that Moyes’s contract signing would be ’imminent’. That was 2 months ago and during that time, we’ve made no new signings, lost a number of players, had no resolution to the Kirkby move and the CEO has resigned!
So much for laughing at the state of affairs across Stanley Park, we’re the ones in the shit now.
But are we really surprised? Everton released a statement back in May that Moyes’s contract signing would be ’imminent’. That was 2 months ago and during that time, we’ve made no new signings, lost a number of players, had no resolution to the Kirkby move and the CEO has resigned!
So much for laughing at the state of affairs across Stanley Park, we’re the ones in the shit now.
CEO departure. AJ failed medical. Moyes and Mouthino signing imminent. And now this. Should I be happy or sad? I don’t think my heart can take it anymore.
At the moment I am not bothered about betting shop bullshit.. All I am concerned about right now is that Everton Football Club stop piss-farting around and start doing something fast in the way of signing some bloody players..We have sat here all summer banging on about the right players as we do every summer but after every transfer window closes we always have the same debate about the squad still being too small, in other words during every transfer window we fail to add sufficient numbers..
How on earth we are going to have a successful season with the amount of players we have is just too much of a fairy tale to believe..
We are going to be fighting for two domestic cups, the league and the UEFA Cup.. I am not one of those people who says they cannot be arsed about the Carling Cup, its realistically Evertons only chance of silverwear simply because we get a bye into the third round, we dont play as many games to get to the final and the actual final is usually at the end of February, a time just before our annual injury crisis starts to affect us in March..
We should have been striving to at last bring some silverwear to this club again as its been too long since we last lifted a trophy.
We all know we are not going to win the league, we know in our logically thinking mind that we wont even get into the top four but we should have been looking to keep our fifth place again and be the best of the rest for two seasons running but thats looking a hard hard task right now..
There is no money at all in the UEFA Cup, its just the glamour of playing different teams along the way and hoping next season to see one of the big boys at Goodison..Its another trophy that is probably off the agenda simply due to the fact that our squad is too light..
I sat watching the FA Cup final thinking what could have been if we had beaten Oldham but then my logic took over and thought we wouldnt have been able to do what Barnsley had done by knocking out Chelsea or Portsmouths quarter final win at Old Trafford..
We finished 5th last season but during this summer we should have been really going for something more, there is always always room for improvement and after watching how poorly we played at Anfield in March and the way we scraped past Derby last April I realised that there was alot we could improve on..
I dont know what the problem has been with the transfers this summer but Moyes sounds really pissed off with it all..
How on earth we are going to have a successful season with the amount of players we have is just too much of a fairy tale to believe..
We are going to be fighting for two domestic cups, the league and the UEFA Cup.. I am not one of those people who says they cannot be arsed about the Carling Cup, its realistically Evertons only chance of silverwear simply because we get a bye into the third round, we dont play as many games to get to the final and the actual final is usually at the end of February, a time just before our annual injury crisis starts to affect us in March..
We should have been striving to at last bring some silverwear to this club again as its been too long since we last lifted a trophy.
We all know we are not going to win the league, we know in our logically thinking mind that we wont even get into the top four but we should have been looking to keep our fifth place again and be the best of the rest for two seasons running but thats looking a hard hard task right now..
There is no money at all in the UEFA Cup, its just the glamour of playing different teams along the way and hoping next season to see one of the big boys at Goodison..Its another trophy that is probably off the agenda simply due to the fact that our squad is too light..
I sat watching the FA Cup final thinking what could have been if we had beaten Oldham but then my logic took over and thought we wouldnt have been able to do what Barnsley had done by knocking out Chelsea or Portsmouths quarter final win at Old Trafford..
We finished 5th last season but during this summer we should have been really going for something more, there is always always room for improvement and after watching how poorly we played at Anfield in March and the way we scraped past Derby last April I realised that there was alot we could improve on..
I dont know what the problem has been with the transfers this summer but Moyes sounds really pissed off with it all..
Lowest price matched on Betfair was 4.5 or 7/2 if you like and only for small stakes. There’s been no huge gamble.....
No worries gavin lol u scared me.
Paul OHanlon...
’Bookies don?t deal in scaremongering, they deal in hard cold facts, reliable tip offs and betting trends. Obviously somethings seriously wrong for Coral to take this action.’
A slight contridiction in terms there! Cold hard facts v reliable tip offs and betting trends. The only cold hard fact is that David Moyes is everton manager the rest of the bet is speculation
If enough people have backed this bet then the odds will be lowered and eventually frozen now because alot of people back it does it make it true?!
Has everyone who has made this bet an everton fan or on the efc board! I seriously doubt it! The majority will be different supporters and whenever a high ranking member of a board resigns and a delay in contract signing occurs with odds originally at 60/1 it probably looked a fair bet, alll that has happened is the betting has snowballed.
This does not make the bet cold hard fact
Moyes will return and sign a new 60k a week contract dont worry
’Bookies don?t deal in scaremongering, they deal in hard cold facts, reliable tip offs and betting trends. Obviously somethings seriously wrong for Coral to take this action.’
A slight contridiction in terms there! Cold hard facts v reliable tip offs and betting trends. The only cold hard fact is that David Moyes is everton manager the rest of the bet is speculation
If enough people have backed this bet then the odds will be lowered and eventually frozen now because alot of people back it does it make it true?!
Has everyone who has made this bet an everton fan or on the efc board! I seriously doubt it! The majority will be different supporters and whenever a high ranking member of a board resigns and a delay in contract signing occurs with odds originally at 60/1 it probably looked a fair bet, alll that has happened is the betting has snowballed.
This does not make the bet cold hard fact
Moyes will return and sign a new 60k a week contract dont worry
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/barclays-premiership/next-manager-to-leave-post
looks like Corals have had another bit of ’inside info’, 33/1 is there latest offer
looks like Corals have had another bit of ’inside info’, 33/1 is there latest offer
Matty Dawkins - no scaremongering on my part. I fancied a punt at 20-1 after reading about the price on this site. I then went to make the bet, and Coral’s weren’t taking any more money on it.
I thought it was possibly an interesting development to the story and so posted it here. Sorry if this has ruined your day. Maybe I should just write about my starting XI for the Blackburn game or something equally pointless?
I thought it was possibly an interesting development to the story and so posted it here. Sorry if this has ruined your day. Maybe I should just write about my starting XI for the Blackburn game or something equally pointless?
Of course you are speculating and scaremongering.
You know nothing more than anyone else does and to say that you do is insulting.
Has anyone officially said that Johnson has failed his medical.
Do you know personally what is going on between Kenwright and Earl
Do you know if we’ve made an offer for Moutinho
The answer to all this is probably no.
You know Jack Shit mate.
You know nothing more than anyone else does and to say that you do is insulting.
Has anyone officially said that Johnson has failed his medical.
Do you know personally what is going on between Kenwright and Earl
Do you know if we’ve made an offer for Moutinho
The answer to all this is probably no.
You know Jack Shit mate.
Toffeeweb has become hilarious reading overnight; yesterday was bad but this morning is laughable!
Everyones gone stir crazy over Bully leaving, and now Moyes is going to leave when he gets back from the US, AJ aint going to Fulham cos he has a gammy knee, Baines is shit so we’re selling him and we have no money to buy Moutinho or anyone else for that matter - has everyone gone completely mental?!
The lunatics truly are taking over the asylum.
Relax men at arms, relax....
Everyones gone stir crazy over Bully leaving, and now Moyes is going to leave when he gets back from the US, AJ aint going to Fulham cos he has a gammy knee, Baines is shit so we’re selling him and we have no money to buy Moutinho or anyone else for that matter - has everyone gone completely mental?!
The lunatics truly are taking over the asylum.
Relax men at arms, relax....
Yep, He’s 33/1 on Corals website.
However on Betfair he’s 1/29 so something is going on somewhere.
However on Betfair he’s 1/29 so something is going on somewhere.
So the bookies think he has mnore chance of leaving now than he did a week ago - does this give any real truthful information as to whether he’s considering it or are they just covering their arses?
Since when did bookies become reliable or trustworthy?
Get a grip kids.
Since when did bookies become reliable or trustworthy?
Get a grip kids.
I reckon the reason that the betting is suspended is very sensible that until he signs a contract then he could work away. Makes sense not to accept betting, but it doesn’t mean he is resigning!
I mean WALK, oopps
Brian, you’re right - I know nothing about the situation, same as all of us on this website. I simply thought it was interesting that this happened at Corals.
I should be used to this summer madness by now!
I should be used to this summer madness by now!
Would anyone blame him if he did walk? Something stinks, and it’s now time for Kenwright to put up or fuck off.
Out to 2-1 on Betfair, still suspended on Corals. The oddschecker site is not up to date.
Sorry James, wasn’t talking to you mate, was talking to Paul
No worries Brian, its all rather silly all this speculation - none of of us have any more information that the Internet is giving us, yet everyone knows best eh!
I still think its knee-jerk stuff to be honest, I doubt DM will walk and I still think we’ll sign a few players before the season starts.
Ever the optimist me.
I still think its knee-jerk stuff to be honest, I doubt DM will walk and I still think we’ll sign a few players before the season starts.
Ever the optimist me.
I just get sick of all this crap.
It happens at the close of the season and just before it starts again.
This player will leave, that player will join, the manager will leave, this manager will replace him.
Nobody knows anything regardless of who they claim to have been speaking to.
It happens at the close of the season and just before it starts again.
This player will leave, that player will join, the manager will leave, this manager will replace him.
Nobody knows anything regardless of who they claim to have been speaking to.
Odds drifting back out again now.
False alarm !! Nobody panic !!!
False alarm !! Nobody panic !!!
He is 14-1 on Paddy Power with the spanish waiter at 18-1. I think I know where my money will be going. The problem how I see it is, the club tell us fuck all, they tell the press fuck all. So everyone just makes shit up to suit what they want to believe. But if we don?t make at least 6 signings in the next week or two, we are well and truly fucked and by that I mean Championship football next year.
I?m quite frankly astonished at how upbeat some people are being about this. We haven?t signed any players, our CEO has quit, we can?t find the money for Moutinho and Coral have stopped taking bets on the manager of the year being the first man out of a job.
Poor, poor state of affairs.
Poor, poor state of affairs.
Moyes will go very shortly. We saw the first signs of being totally frustrated in the interview a few days ago. Why would what many people consider to be right up there with the top managers in England stick around and be messed about like this? Big Sam is the scarey but most likely replacement. Although i would go fo Hull's Phil Brown. Kenwright has to publically come out and say the club is up for sale and any serious offers will be accepted.
So Moyes leaves Tony, after 5 years of hard graft to do what exactly? Show me another job out there for him? D?you really thing he?s going to jack it all in just to sit around doing bugger all, waiting for another Premier League management job to crop up on the off-chance?
Seriously I doubt that.
Seriously I doubt that.
Why would you say Moyes is leaving Tony?
Even more, why would you pick possible replacements?
There’s only one man for the job and he’s doing it.
Will everyone stop fucking speculating.
Even more, why would you pick possible replacements?
There’s only one man for the job and he’s doing it.
Will everyone stop fucking speculating.
Guys, I went on the Coral website and saw that they weren’t taking bets. So I rang up WIlliam Hill, and the guy said they had suspended all bets on Moyes. He then said he would find out why, and then came back with odds of 20-1. That says to me he is staying, however at them odds I thought it might be worth a punt so put £30 on. I hope it is money wasted and he stays!
Why would anyone in their right mind put a bet on the manager of their own club leaving unless he was a negative influence on the club??
Its like betting on Everton to lose, or placing a bet on the RS winning!!!
I just dont understand the mentality.
Its like betting on Everton to lose, or placing a bet on the RS winning!!!
I just dont understand the mentality.
You put £30 on the manager of the team you support leaving.
I can only think of one word that sums you up mate and it rhymes with a word that you said in your last post.
I’ll give you a clue, it starts with pu.
I can only think of one word that sums you up mate and it rhymes with a word that you said in your last post.
I’ll give you a clue, it starts with pu.
Neil Coleran - jesus mate you need to get a grip. Championship football?!
People moan cos Phil Neville amongst others is speaking to the press every other day about any old shite, and say "Remember the old days when the first thing you knew bout a signing was them on the back of the Echo?" ? now the same people are moaning cos the club isnt issuing statements every half hour about this and that!
People moan cos Phil Neville amongst others is speaking to the press every other day about any old shite, and say "Remember the old days when the first thing you knew bout a signing was them on the back of the Echo?" ? now the same people are moaning cos the club isnt issuing statements every half hour about this and that!
What the hell is going on with the "call in" decision ??
Another week has gone by and still nothing.
Has anyone any idea what the problem is and an accurate idea of when the decison is coming ?
Please !!!!!!!!!!
Another week has gone by and still nothing.
Has anyone any idea what the problem is and an accurate idea of when the decison is coming ?
Please !!!!!!!!!!
Like I said I hope it doesn’t come true
Its called hedge betting James.
Either Everton win and you?re happy, or you get some cash to cheer you up.
It's not like betting on the result of something will influence its outcome.
Either Everton win and you?re happy, or you get some cash to cheer you up.
It's not like betting on the result of something will influence its outcome.
Just checked odds and Moyes is 33/1 to leave next with Coral
However on Betfair he is a staggering 29/1 on!
Two opposing views, take form it what you will. The are the latest FACTS!
However on Betfair he is a staggering 29/1 on!
Two opposing views, take form it what you will. The are the latest FACTS!
You are all complete morons. The Coral odds were clearly some sort of error, they do not have any inside information that Moyes is leaving. The reason I call you morons (e.g. James Cadwaladr) is that Betfair odds are set by individual members, not by the website or any professional bookmakers. If I was a member of Betfair and I saw that Corals had suspended betting on Moyes then my immediate reaction would also be to reduce the odds to 1/33. This is not a contradiction to the real Coral odds that we now see but simply that Betfair amature bookies are not always as quick to react as Corals et al!
That said I wouldn't be surprised if he did actually quit, 7 years of working for a club so badly run is bound to take its toll...
That said I wouldn't be surprised if he did actually quit, 7 years of working for a club so badly run is bound to take its toll...
I know Wayne, but making those kind of bets on your own team just sits badly with me.
I just dont understand it - why bother? Just bet on some other team to lose!
I just dont understand it - why bother? Just bet on some other team to lose!
Ronan, I have a William Hill account, have jsut called them and they have suspended; try them for yourself. And yes I understand the Betfair situation and if you read my post I said that Corals had at 33/1 not 1/33(33/1 on)
Read my post again, i stated the facts as I saw them, that is all. Told the odds as they were and made no comment about what I thought nor attempted to scare monger. "Take from that what you will" - no opinion on my part so keep your "moron" opinions to yourself they arent necessary.
"However on Betfair he is a staggering 29/1 on"
James it is this quote of yours that I was referring to. You are clearly suggesting the Betfair odds imply Moyes is leaving. I was simply explaining how Betfair works. My error was that I quoted your figure as 33/1 on as opposed to 29/1, an irrelevant error I am sure you will agree.
I just called Ladbrokes and have been quoted 20/1.
James it is this quote of yours that I was referring to. You are clearly suggesting the Betfair odds imply Moyes is leaving. I was simply explaining how Betfair works. My error was that I quoted your figure as 33/1 on as opposed to 29/1, an irrelevant error I am sure you will agree.
I just called Ladbrokes and have been quoted 20/1.
Well lets just hope he leaves ASAP then eh, then you can all claim your winnings.
After all, money is the most important thing in life.
After all, money is the most important thing in life.
Words fail me, nowt like supporting your team eh?
Anyone who keeps posting odds implying Moyes is leaving is a MORON.
Anyone who keeps posting odds implying Moyes is leaving is a MORON.
Correct Ronan but as I say I was saying what the odds were and thats all.
Wheres the issue to be called a moron.
Wheres the issue to be called a moron.
Good God, this is unbelievable.
1.) The name of the bookmaker is Coral not Corals (apologies for being a pedant but it?s a bugbear of mine)
2.) Betfair?s odds are pretty much irrelevant given the paltry number of bets and the small amounts we?re dealing with on there, someone took the price that was available and it hasn?t been replaced by a ?laying punter? - hence the current ?backing? price is artificially low. This means NOTHING.
1.) The name of the bookmaker is Coral not Corals (apologies for being a pedant but it?s a bugbear of mine)
2.) Betfair?s odds are pretty much irrelevant given the paltry number of bets and the small amounts we?re dealing with on there, someone took the price that was available and it hasn?t been replaced by a ?laying punter? - hence the current ?backing? price is artificially low. This means NOTHING.
3.) The fact that Coral have suspended betting on Moyes means they are reconsidering their price ? THAT'S ALL. Naturally, there has been a bit, ie a very very small amount, of cash for Moyes in the wake of Wyness?s resignation and the speculation surrounding it. Bookies aren?t daft; they were quoting Moyes at around the 50/1 up to 66/1 mark - it doesn?t take many bets for them to change that price as that?s a huge hit they?ll take if the bet comes in even if only a few people have bet on it.
Manager-related markets are hugely volatile and bookies are understandably cautious when dealing with them because they are well aware that someone could quite possibly know more than them for a few minutes at least. Subsequently, whenever even a small number of bets are placed on an otherwise hugely unlikely outcome (like a 66/1 shot) they take action just in case it is knowledgable money that is coming in.
Finally, bookies are always aware of what other bookies are doing so there isn?t a chance in hell that any firms would offer 18/1 or 20/1 etc in a situation where someone else had closed their book because it was a banker, certainly not for the length of time this has been going on this morning - they?d be asking to lose a fortune, something they traditionally don?t like doing.
In summary, yes there has been a small amount of cash for Moyes which in the circumstances is to be expected. There is however, from the bookies odds, no reason whatsoever to believe that Moyes?s departure is imminent. Don?t panic people, take my word for it, there is absolutely nothing in this betting shift.
I really want to look positively on this and take the worry free stance, but all the rumours are getting at me. Everything sounds believable!! 16th August can’t come around fast enough and fingers crossed Mr Moyes and the 5 signings we want are in place. Then we can all have a good old laugh about all the posts on here. Only 15 more sleeps..........
If Moyes were to leave, where would he go to?
Celtic or Man U for two years as assistant with a view to perm.
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
Ridiculous speculation.
Ha.
Ha.
Ridiculous speculation.
Chris, that is exactly the point I was trying to make, but you explained it much more explicitly.
James, I accept that you were mearly quoting odds and I take back the moron comment. However, the panic that we have seen today (and all too often on this site) is contributed to by postings such as yours which are quite misleading to those who don?t know any better.
Just to confirm I didn?t actually put a bet on, I mearly got the quote.
James, I accept that you were mearly quoting odds and I take back the moron comment. However, the panic that we have seen today (and all too often on this site) is contributed to by postings such as yours which are quite misleading to those who don?t know any better.
Just to confirm I didn?t actually put a bet on, I mearly got the quote.
"Well lets just hope he leaves ASAP then eh, then you can all claim your winnings.
After all, money is the most important thing in life."
Ironically James, if Moyes did leave ?money? (or rather a lack of it) would be the reason.
After all, money is the most important thing in life."
Ironically James, if Moyes did leave ?money? (or rather a lack of it) would be the reason.
Me neither Ronan, let's just hope he stays.
There is a certain irony to that Paul, but not really the point I was trying to make as I’m sure you’re aware.
I find it astonishing that Evertonians have resorted to making claims about betting on whether Moyes leaves and even laying bets to that effect. Since when did making money become more important than the club we all love? This has nothing to do with the money available to the manager and everything to do with supporters hoping to make money out of something detrimental to the club - thats the thing I cant abide.
I find it astonishing that Evertonians have resorted to making claims about betting on whether Moyes leaves and even laying bets to that effect. Since when did making money become more important than the club we all love? This has nothing to do with the money available to the manager and everything to do with supporters hoping to make money out of something detrimental to the club - thats the thing I cant abide.
Boys !
I used to work for a large well known bookie in the admin dept. Beleve me when i say.
If they are starting to cut odds like they have, then they know something. I am not trying to scaremonger, it is fact lads.
You would be surprised where they get the info from, ex-players, current players and even exec?s and former recent employees that want to make a few quid .
They will place a substantial bet at an agreed rate in exchange for info. This rumor and the action of the bookies has me scared. The only hope I see now is if we come up with the money he has been promised. Otherwise I fear he will walk.
As for where will he go. Celtic among others will snap him up in a heartbeat. Not ideal but will keep him ticking over.
I used to work for a large well known bookie in the admin dept. Beleve me when i say.
If they are starting to cut odds like they have, then they know something. I am not trying to scaremonger, it is fact lads.
You would be surprised where they get the info from, ex-players, current players and even exec?s and former recent employees that want to make a few quid .
They will place a substantial bet at an agreed rate in exchange for info. This rumor and the action of the bookies has me scared. The only hope I see now is if we come up with the money he has been promised. Otherwise I fear he will walk.
As for where will he go. Celtic among others will snap him up in a heartbeat. Not ideal but will keep him ticking over.
James Marshall, I think you are missing the point, a lot of Everton fans are worried Moyes might quit and rightly or wrongly fluctuations in betting odds are only going to exacerbate matters. I can therefore fully understand why people are discussing this point today.
With regard to actually making a bet, someone has already made the point (which you have yet to respond to) that this is simply hedging your emotion, for want of a better term i.e. if Moyes quits we will all be very pissed off but at least someone has a few quid to cheer them up a bit. This does not make them any less than an Everton fan than you.
With regard to actually making a bet, someone has already made the point (which you have yet to respond to) that this is simply hedging your emotion, for want of a better term i.e. if Moyes quits we will all be very pissed off but at least someone has a few quid to cheer them up a bit. This does not make them any less than an Everton fan than you.
Hi Guys, roughly translated, today's news in his country suggests Everton have quit chasing Moutinho: http://www.ojogo.pt/24-162/artigo737606.asp
Things are going from bad to worse....
Things are going from bad to worse....
Dave Lynch - you may have worked for a bookmaker and what you say is often true in terms of other markets - but in this instance, in a manager market, not much money is needed to affect the odds I can absolutely assure you. To go from 66/1 to 14/1 on such a market would take an amount probably barely into three figures across the board. it is NOT an indication that they ’know something’ whatsoever, it is a reaction to some small bets - if they knew something then the odds would be a whole lot shorter, why would they offer 14/1 to 20/1 if they knew he was on his way out - you don’t credit the bookies with much intelligence there. Indeed, by your rationale they know something about Moyes leaving and have cut him but if you study the odds then there are a stack of managers whose odds to leave are shorter - do the bookies know something about all of these as well? Really people can we not look at this with a little common sense?
it is just saying that Moyes says that the transfer was not imminent....ie just what he said in the echo - old recycyled news.
Ronan - your point is lost on me I’m afraid; Moyes leaves and we’re all pissed off and in the shit, but at least someone made some money out of it is exactly the bit I dont get!
Money is not that important to me; clearly we’re just different.
Money is not that important to me; clearly we’re just different.
It’s not at all treachery to bet on Moyes to leave. Should Moyes leave, then it’d be a choice of being greatly saddened Moyes has left, or greatly saddened Moyes has left but with an extra few bob.
However, I must point out several of the betting companies insist on the manager market being active only at the start of the season. If Moyes were to walk now, it would not pay out.
However, I must point out several of the betting companies insist on the manager market being active only at the start of the season. If Moyes were to walk now, it would not pay out.
So now apparently we have the testimony of two "experts". (no disrepect intended lads) On the one hand we have Chris Hutcheon telling us that this betting fluctuation is irrevelant & simply caused by some speculative money being placed on Moyes to leave - understable given the circumstances. On the other Dave Lynch, who worked in the industry, says that the bookies don’t play around with odds that drastically unless they know something.
Who to believe? Well, personally I’m with Dave. Bookies don’t make those sorts of changes unless they have heard something or unless there has been a significant amount of money placed.
Who to believe? Well, personally I’m with Dave. Bookies don’t make those sorts of changes unless they have heard something or unless there has been a significant amount of money placed.
To be fair Dave said he worked in the admin dept. Didn’t say what he did so I think his expert status may be a bit of a stretch.
Just as an update - Ladbrokes now as short as 16/1. There must be a few quid going on from some people on here!
Chris thanks for that.
I worked in the main office as a goffer, not at the ground level.
I am only relating what i was told and at times witnessed when i was there.
I sincerely hope you are right in your assessment. But it just doesn’t feel right to me.
I worked in the main office as a goffer, not at the ground level.
I am only relating what i was told and at times witnessed when i was there.
I sincerely hope you are right in your assessment. But it just doesn’t feel right to me.
So not an expert at all then, in fact only passing on secondhand information and furthering the scaremongering.
PS............................
I witnessed the very same scenario when Keegan left the Newcastle job first time.
The people in the know knew days before it was announced.
I witnessed the very same scenario when Keegan left the Newcastle job first time.
The people in the know knew days before it was announced.
Brian. Not scaremongering at all.
I worked with people who dealt with the odds setting.
I had a placement there whilst at uni.
So they where hardly going to let me get my hands on any sensitive info.
Rich and famous have accounts with them and only the trusted few know the details.
It was all very X file believe me.
I worked with people who dealt with the odds setting.
I had a placement there whilst at uni.
So they where hardly going to let me get my hands on any sensitive info.
Rich and famous have accounts with them and only the trusted few know the details.
It was all very X file believe me.
Brendan, it is not necessarily ’speculative money’ or at least there is some method to the madness of a small bet on Moyes in the circumstances; I’m simply stating that genuine knowledge from a bookies’ perspective would mean that the odds would be a whole lot shorter - does that not make sense?
Bookies are ultra-cautious around such volatile management markets and there’s every chance that the odds will fly right out again when bookies reassess the situation and establish that there is indeed nothing concrete with regard to the miniscule amount of money they’ve taken on this.
Remember that at 66/1 even a straightforward tenner would strip the bookie of 660 quid, two or three tenners and their liability is in the thousands, these amounts tend to be flagged up and action taken as a result.
And for the record I too work in the ’industry’ and bookies DO make those kinds of changes without substantial cash coming in when a market has the potential to bite them in the arse like this one, they judge on liability and the higher the price the higher the potential liability if any money comes in so in this instance they took a few bets - whereas they probably hadn’t previously seen any - and cut the price from a huge one to a, for want of a better term, ’mid-range’ one.
As I keep saying, genuine knowledge or a subtantial amount of bets/cash would have the price at odds on or at least near to that.
Bookies are ultra-cautious around such volatile management markets and there’s every chance that the odds will fly right out again when bookies reassess the situation and establish that there is indeed nothing concrete with regard to the miniscule amount of money they’ve taken on this.
Remember that at 66/1 even a straightforward tenner would strip the bookie of 660 quid, two or three tenners and their liability is in the thousands, these amounts tend to be flagged up and action taken as a result.
And for the record I too work in the ’industry’ and bookies DO make those kinds of changes without substantial cash coming in when a market has the potential to bite them in the arse like this one, they judge on liability and the higher the price the higher the potential liability if any money comes in so in this instance they took a few bets - whereas they probably hadn’t previously seen any - and cut the price from a huge one to a, for want of a better term, ’mid-range’ one.
As I keep saying, genuine knowledge or a subtantial amount of bets/cash would have the price at odds on or at least near to that.
This is utter garbage. Bookies odds shorten when lots of money is placed on a given event, so its normal. He aint going anywhere, its just a handful of people for some reason panicking and betting on him going. Can’t believe how many of you are even giving it the time of day, get a grip!!!
Thanks Chris. I’m back on the fence again.
Again Dave, your last post just shows how little knowledge you have on the subject.
You worked at a bookies thats as maybe but I had a placement at a law firm. Doesn’t make me a lawyer.
You worked at a bookies thats as maybe but I had a placement at a law firm. Doesn’t make me a lawyer.
If we’re out of cash then why the bid to-day for Ochoa? Also we had the same story with the betting being suspended several times for the Man City job, with several different names, and the Chelsea job. With online gambling, the rules are different.
Chris.
You hit the nail on the head when you stated.
’Has the POTENTIAL to bite them on the arse.’
In other words, it’s a distinct possibility.
Again i fear that if DM is not given the cash, he will walk.
If you read between the lines of his last few interviews ? Well you get my drift.
They have cut their liability by slashing the odds and apparently Coral have suspended betting.
Again i hope you are right, but i can’t get my head around this one, especially as he hasn’t signed a contract yet.
You hit the nail on the head when you stated.
’Has the POTENTIAL to bite them on the arse.’
In other words, it’s a distinct possibility.
Again i fear that if DM is not given the cash, he will walk.
If you read between the lines of his last few interviews ? Well you get my drift.
They have cut their liability by slashing the odds and apparently Coral have suspended betting.
Again i hope you are right, but i can’t get my head around this one, especially as he hasn’t signed a contract yet.
Brian.
Don’t be an arse. I never said i was an expert. Just passing on the bit of knowledge i learnt whilst i was there.
After all you do go to uni to acquire knowledge.
Don’t be an arse. I never said i was an expert. Just passing on the bit of knowledge i learnt whilst i was there.
After all you do go to uni to acquire knowledge.
I work bor a bookies, I am working now, Chris Hutcheon has spoken the most sense so far. Dave Lynch I suspect didn’t work for a bookies (or didn’t deal with football/novelty markets).
"Next manager to leave" is considered a novelty market just like Big Brother betting or Snow at Christmas. Very small money is needed for a price change.
If you look on the oddschecker website and click the selection you can see historical price changes. 1/33 at Coral was a mistake.
"Next manager to leave" is considered a novelty market just like Big Brother betting or Snow at Christmas. Very small money is needed for a price change.
If you look on the oddschecker website and click the selection you can see historical price changes. 1/33 at Coral was a mistake.
Guys,
Moyes has done a great job on very little money,fact. Last season we were the best of the rest, which is not an easy thing to do these days. He is very well respected throughout the league, mostly by chairmen who love the idea of doing well with as little outlay as possible.
The simple fact is that if we do not invest significantly in the team the only way we can go from here is backwards. Moyes will not put up with being messed around and having internal issues dictate what he can do on the field. More to the point why should he ??
I’ve heard that Moyes was happy to let AJ go at that price and that’s fair enough, but he should expecting at least another £20m on top of the AJ money. If he had £30m to invest in players I really don’t think it would be a problem but it’s looking increasingly like he hasn’t and that is a disgrace on the clubs’ part.
If you can’t see that his patience is wearing very thin then you must be on another planet.
The bottom line is that if he gets messed around much more he’s going to walk. Everyone knows that, especially the bookies.
Moyes has done a great job on very little money,fact. Last season we were the best of the rest, which is not an easy thing to do these days. He is very well respected throughout the league, mostly by chairmen who love the idea of doing well with as little outlay as possible.
The simple fact is that if we do not invest significantly in the team the only way we can go from here is backwards. Moyes will not put up with being messed around and having internal issues dictate what he can do on the field. More to the point why should he ??
I’ve heard that Moyes was happy to let AJ go at that price and that’s fair enough, but he should expecting at least another £20m on top of the AJ money. If he had £30m to invest in players I really don’t think it would be a problem but it’s looking increasingly like he hasn’t and that is a disgrace on the clubs’ part.
If you can’t see that his patience is wearing very thin then you must be on another planet.
The bottom line is that if he gets messed around much more he’s going to walk. Everyone knows that, especially the bookies.
Tony Finn
I don’t believe any of the speculation, I believe things when I see them. But if we do not add to the size of our squad I’m sorry we are in serious trouble. If we get a few injuries and suspensions then the squad just isn’t big enough to take it. and we could well find ourselves in a relegation scrap.
I don’t believe any of the speculation, I believe things when I see them. But if we do not add to the size of our squad I’m sorry we are in serious trouble. If we get a few injuries and suspensions then the squad just isn’t big enough to take it. and we could well find ourselves in a relegation scrap.
As I suspected, Coral ARE still taking bets - at 20/1 even though rumours are now saying Moyes has walked. Hmmm either the rumours are total nonsense (they are always qualified by lies like ’the bookies wouldn’t let my mate bet on it’) or the bookies aren’t ’in the know’ on this one. It doesn’t take Columbo to work out which one is the most realistic.
The bookies aren’t always right - wasn’t it only last summer that the bookies thought Thierry Henry was a dead cert for Liverpool and stopped taking bets on him going to the RS? I don’t remember too many highlights of him at Anfield last season!
Coral just gone 14/1, Ladbrokes 7/1, Paddy Power 10/1. Top price at VChandler 20/1.
http://odds.bestbetting.com/football/england/premier-league/specials/next-manager-to-go
http://odds.bestbetting.com/football/england/premier-league/specials/next-manager-to-go
Coral have re-instated betting now at 14-1
Out of interest this Afternoon, I took a look at what odds the bookmaker would take David Moyes being the first manager to leave his post this coming season. I checked 5 bookmakers, 3 weren't taking any bets any more, 1 would offer me very good odds (though void the bet if he leaves before the first game of the season), and another game me a little over evens.
So you can imagine my surprise, when I read on the Everton website, another rousing (albeit seasonal speech) an impassioned act, that we are on the phone by the hour, the money is their, irrespective of DK, or AJ (and even Bainsey's sale). And I am begining to think the whole thing stinks.
i for one am sick of the lies, more lies, and even more lies) coming from Comedy Bill. I am convinced, that Moyes would have gone this time last year.had we not signed Yakubu. I wouldn't blame Moyes for walking, hearing all the hot air, and blatant lies, that are coming from upstairs at the club again this year...
And the saddest thing about this is I can't even take a few quid off the bookies, to try to sweeten the bitter pill.
Aw just fuck off Nick, you negative bugger.
Err, sorry Nick - this time last year we hadn?t signed Yakubu.
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