We can only speculate as to wether Moyes will sign or not and we can only speculate as to how much money we have to spend. However the facts are that we have not signed one single player and the season starts very soon. The facts also are that several players have left a squad that was recognised by us all and the manager as being too small and lacking quality. The club have done nothing so far to put this right and even if we manage to sign 5 or 6 players in the next few weeks we will only have the same numbers as last season but more importantly the new players will have had no time to settle into the club before the season has started, In all reality the season will have started before we get anybody in. Also even if money is tight , why on earth have we not got any loan players or bosman signings in???? Just when you think a transfer window could not get any worse as an Evertonian, we have this one. Has to be the worst window for us ever!

Personally speaking, I feel terribly sorry for David Moyes, he has done a remarkable job during his tenure as manager and now, with much hard work achieved he needs the club to produce substantial funds to take us to the next level and the club are apparently letting him (and us) down.

I think the phrase ’Life isn’t fair’ is nowhere more aptly displayed than when a comparison of Manchester City and Everton is made.

I would much rather be in our shoes than Man Citys, Neil - after all, there surely has to be standards, not all money is good money.

I agree, Neil. David Moyes’ situation reminds me of a bad patch I was going through once - holding out for a £60k/week contract etc! Poor fella.

Neil, I agree with your view of Moyes. There was an article in the echo that suggested that Moyes wanted the boards backing to an ambitious 5 year plan to take Everton into the Champions League. One that apparantly they bought into which would ultimately lead to him signing the contract. I can not see Moyes signing a new deal the way this summer has gone and feel if we dont make signings in the next few weeks we might well lose our manager also. Hope I am wrong but Moyes is ambitious and if we dont match his ambitions then I dont see him staying.

Everybody knows that normally I am happy to see the positive side of our manager’s outpourings.But I will not stand by and see a faithfully reported quote by a close friend of mine twisted by the Club’s Press Office jusy to give it a positive spin.
Believe me,Davey DID mean he was worried that the club was not making progress on transfers and NOT that we had problems up front!
Fairs fair ,after all.

Christ! Things must be bad at Goodison when even Doddy thinks they bend the truth!

The simple fact is Moyes has been here for more than six years now and on a relatively modest budget he has taken us a decent way in terms of league positions with the obvious bad seasons of 2003-04 and 2005-06 aside..

The fact is nobody stays anywhere forever and one day Moyes will walk into something new and want to try something new, perhaps if the Scotland job came up he may be in the running for that one day. Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have stayed at United and Arsenal for a long time but they have both been immensley successful in terms of winning trophies and playing in the Champions League every single year.

I don't know when Moyes will leave or if he will give Everton another five years of his career depending on if he gets the backing he needs to win something but one day he will leave, its only natural. The sad thing will be if the day comes when he does leave he has nothing really to look back on in terms of winning a trophy for Everton because like it or not that's what he will have came here to achieve, you can finish in respectable positions in the league every season but it's not success, it's just respectable.
I think Moyes would look back in dissapointment if he leaves having not won some sort of silverwear for us.

Alex Kocieuba - and don?t you think Moysie is worth every penny? I do, and I am sure a lot of other Evertonians do to., As far as I am concerned the man has done a tremendous job with little money and by using his intelligence and his knowledge of the game and type of players to bring in at very reasonable transfer fees. What do you want him to do - bring in a load of mediocre players who, half-way through the season we can all have a moan about and criticise Moysie for buying them? No, he knows the type of player he wants but sometimes the price of those players is ridiculous.

As far as I am concerned, the man walks on water and I hope to God he doesn?t leave for a very long time yet.

Why does the perception exist that the only way for Everton to progress, is to spend masses of money? Moyes has proved shrewd at selecting undervalued players from reserve teams or lower divisions who are able to then play at the high standard he asks.

Instead of letting him whine on and on about a lack of transfer funds, tell him to continue to spend the money we have on those undervalued elsewhere. Does anybody seriously doubt the ability of Lescott or Howard to play at a Champions League level? The talent he seeks exists, he just needs to continue to look for it.

How about telling him to concentrate on developing the younger players we have into genuine 1st XI contributors. If Gosling, Baxter or Rodwell are coached to their full ability then is there any real necessity to spend £20M on a holding midfielder?

Moyes is paid a fantastic salary ? by any measure you care to use. How about he?s told to continue to do the things he?s done well over the last 5 years ? craft a strong unit that is better than the individual sum of it?s players, pick players (largely from within Britain) who are capable of contributing to that unit?

The loons spouting the ?worst transfer window ever? stuff and Moyes both need to be reminded that by and large, when he?s bought big players he?s failed to get much out of them. Giving him £30M or whatever and automatically expecting him to spend it wisely, seems far more of a stretch than asking him to continue to do what he?s done very successfully for the last 5 years.

Patty, I just can?t bring myself to feel sorry for Moyes, he should have already signed a contract by now. And no, I wouldn?t agree he walks on water or is a God, but yes I would like him to stay.

Obviously nobody knows all the facts about what's going on behind the scenes, but I?m sure Moyes has had the opportunity to sign a new contract already.

I find it slightly pathetic people who make comments like they ?feel sorry for Moyes? and ?Life isn?t fair?.

Moyes manages us as a job, he isn?t an Evertonian.

Michael, the "loons" as you put it are not asking Moyes to spend loads of money, they are asking for Everton to sign players we badly need to increase the squad size. If they are better quality than what we already have then all the better.

Alex you end up by saying Moyes manages us as a job, he isn?t an Evertonian. I agree its his job but a job that I, and countless others, thinks he does well. As for not being an Evertonian.... where does that get you? Look at Kenwright as an example!!

I know this is really going to put the cat amongst the pigeons. A friend (whom I trust even though he is a Chalton supporter) has just called me to tell me has seen Peter Reid and Sam Allardyce leaving offices which he tells me Kenwright frequently uses.

I asked him to let me know if there where any sightings of Kenwright and he has just called me to say he saw him leave about 2 hours later. So now I am sharing with you.

I do not wish to get enaged in a debate about this except to say: It is clearly factual and could be old pals catching up; or something more significant...

Michael, we need money to be successful. Like it or not about what Moyes has done, he has not been successful in terms of what you imagine the word success to stand for. He has done a honest job in getting the best out of average players ? some quality I grant that but the majority average ? but he needs money to spend to win something.

Success in my view and in Moyes's view I'm sure is winning something. He had to break our transfer record last year in order to get a proven goalscorer who got 21 goals for us. That's what having big money does for you..

All Premier League managers need money ? nice thought about bringing the youngsters through and coaching them to be better players but quite simply that ain't going to keep you in the higher echelons of the Prem.

If we want to make the next step up or even consolidate we need proven, class players right now ? not in a few years time. Only the board can take Everton out of its present predicament ? not the manager. Let?s have patience, there?s still plenty of time to tie up players ? remember, the deadline is 31 Aug, not the beginning of the season.

It does look very much like Moyes has been spun a few yarns though in terms of the kitty... and the penny has dropped. If he thinks he can get a better job than EFC then fine, good luck. Alan Irvine would do just as good a job as him (he?d jump at the job of taking us on, money or no money) and we won't be short of candidates. There have been many times when I have been pissed off and bored watching Moyes?s tactics. The players are the ones who do the business out there - it is safe to say the better the players the better the team not the better the manager the better the team....

There?s a full month till the window closes - the Board (what?s left of them) now need to get their fingers out and the targets signed ? no-one else can sort this mess out now ? it's plain and simple down to the Board.

Patty, you keep refering to ’many Evertonians’ and ’countless others’, I’m sure lots of people who support Everton think the world is flat. And countless probably buy the Sun newspaper - it still doesn;t make it right?

And I point out that he isn’t an Evertonian because it seems like you care so much for him, think he is godlike etc. When really he probably doesn’t know who you are or give a shit about you. Or that he is earning about 120x what ’most Evertonians’ earn.

Michael
you have to spend wads of money on players cos thats what they cost now.

Bridtol City have just signed an unknown for £2 million.
and how many people had heard of Ramsey before Arsenal spent £5 million on him.

The game has become invest or die and unfortunately right now we?re doing the latter.

Moyes salary expectations are not what?s holding his signature up.

Give the man credit for God?s sake he is more concerned about getting players in.

Jay, so what is holding his contract up then?

Would potential new signings we’re interested in not be concerned that the manager himself isn’t willing to sign a contract? (I’m not sure).

Alex..... I read the Sun!!

I don?t worship Moyes nor do I think he is a God - I just think he is a bloody good manager especially with the limited funds he has,. That?s my opinion - you are entitled to yours!

All I can say is Everton have done nothing to inspire confidence in me that this will not be a long and embarassing season for us!!
We used to finish the season short of players, but now we appear to be starting the season in this manner.

Alex
would you renew your contract with half your squad gone and the replacements you were assured would not be a problem not yet being recruited.

You also find out that a player who you’ve just informed the press is a valued member of your squad has to be sold to give you funds.

He has also constantly stated that he would sign his contract once he has concentrated his efforts into getting new players in first so as not to deter players from signing.

Mouthino was keen to come until the Wyness/AJ medical problems so no I dont think its a problem for players to come knowing that the manager is yet to renew his contract if he states he wants to sign it on condition he gets a squad capable of competing at the highest levels which is exactly what he said.

Half the squad gone? Assured replacements? Moyes says AJ wanted to leave? Continually stated he will sign after his concentrated efforts?

And you know nothing about the AJ medical or anything about Wyness’ depature either!

Moyes had an opportunity since the end of the season, several weeks now, of signing a new contract.

Its not the spending of big money on players....its the dwindling numbers we have held on to. McFadden and Carsley both left and now AJ at least...this season we have options of 7 subs...we barely have enough to fill that number. Vaughn may well be banned plus Cahill, Hibbert and Shandy are either crocked or not match fit..we are really scraping the barrel and even DM has covered for the club in the past by talking about signing only quality players...this is bunkum and every EFC fan knows it. The only genuine top class player we have is Arteta and thats when he is fully fit and in form...Im not talking about defenders who do good jobs, like Lescott, Yobo and Jags...Im talking about a proper play maker who provides ammo for the strikers and maintains decent possesion. Pienar could develop into a top player with decent support and if we signed ONE big name player and a few premier standard squad players..even on loan...we could maybe have the space to nurture one or two of our youngsters and develop their potential without dumping them every season and buying them back later. When people talk of Moutinho being small it makes me smile...some of the EFC greats were small...eg; Ball, Young, Kendall, Harvey, Collins, Ray Wilson etc etc etc. What about present day players like Fabregas, Messi, Scholes, Giggs etc etc...give me a break !! Ive never seen a big guy who is a playmaker...most of them are either strikers or stoppers.
A football club thrives by having a succesful team..if we cannot thrive on the money we make by finishing 5th in the premiership..God help us !!

Alex
First of all I did not say I knew anything about Wyness departure (however it now seems to be fairly common knowledge that Wyness and Moyes had a row.

We have lost 7 players from last seasons first team squad we have 7 recognised first teamers in the USA that according to my maths means HALF the first team squad.



AJ only stated he wanted to leave after being messed about. 2 weeks ago AJ stated he was happy at Everton and was not considering leaving.Believe what you will.

As for the medical it was confirmed on SKY that an old knee injury from his Palace days showed up and there is now A PROBLEM with his transfer.Nobody knows how that will end.

As regards Moyes contract he has already said he will sort it out after he has spent time getting new players in a stance tha I totally agree with.

I was at the game yesterday and whilst a very enjoyable experience with my fellow Toffees, I'm increasingly concerned about our squad. If we only have Yak up front come August end, we're in serious trouble.

The constant worrying of some ToffeeWeb posters is becoming a problem to me. Let's say EFC bring in just one player, an average prem midfielder and dont lose anyone else. Let's now look at the signings other clubs have actually made around us. Only Modric (an import and therefore a risk) springs to mind as being someone I would have loved us to sign. Crouch up front at Pompey? No thanks; Sidwell... average at best, etc etc.

All I'm saying is let's not forget what we have. Villa, Spurs, Pompey et al would kill to have Yak up front with Cahill, Arteta and Peanuts behind him. On a side note, come the January transfer window I bet a bid is put in for Carsley ? like Horne ten years ago.

ps: Trevor, Zidane is a giant of a man!

Moyes has left. You heard it here first.

Paul .. expand on your comment please.

Tony. It’s shite. Go to bed and don’t worry. You can spend all weekend and next week doing that!

Yeah i knew it was. I just wanted to hear his "my uncle works at a chip shop and one of his customers is Kenwrights gardener and he said he is resigning" story

Probably is shite to be honest but I was in a taxi and the fella said it had been going round the radios all night. It was the same driver that told me Carsley had gone to Birmingham about two weeks earlier than it was announced. Looks fake to be honest, so apologies...

The local media ? Liverpool Echo, Radio City etc ? have always been pro-LFC and have always treated Everton as second-best in the 40 odd years that I have supported the Blues! When we have battered Liverpool in the past they have made out that we were lucky and they were the better side. And on the transfers they have leaked them to every other team in the land and cost us millions and have lost us lots of good signings in the past.