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Why Wyness Left?
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I know that some people don't take kindly to rumours, but apparently an Everton shareholder has had this to say on Wyness leaving:
Apparently an agent rang Kenwright to tell him Wyness had been trying to construct some transfer deals... not for Everton FC, but for Mallorca!! So Kenwright bollocked him and thought it would seem less like we've lost the plot if he resigned with no reason than sacking him... Robert Earl, who was supposed to be investing in Moutinho, finds out and pulls the plug on any of his funds!
Yet this is only speculation, it is a case of "What the hell is going on with our club?" Less than 16 days to kick off and we have a squad that with 1 or 2 injuries will be struggling to stay up, never mind building on last season! One bad season could see some integral players leave next year, its all a bit of a shambles!!!
Mike Cowhig, Posted 02/08/2008 at 19:32:55
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Boring, boring boring!
Why do we continue to self implode when both our Chairman & manager have given assurances over the security of the club.
I think the next 2 weeks is the time to get behind the club now, we need the other clubs to be thinking we are a threat to them not that we are the laughing stock of the premier league.
We have a good team, a great manager only lacking a trophy to be considered one of the best. So our squad is light, thats nothing new!
Why do we continue to self implode when both our Chairman & manager have given assurances over the security of the club.
I think the next 2 weeks is the time to get behind the club now, we need the other clubs to be thinking we are a threat to them not that we are the laughing stock of the premier league.
We have a good team, a great manager only lacking a trophy to be considered one of the best. So our squad is light, thats nothing new!
Michael!
Stop pussy footing about and tell him what you really think.
Stop pussy footing about and tell him what you really think.
I hate the rumours and negativity as much as anybody but on one point I?ll make a comment....if (and I stress "IF") Wyness was dealing for another club then the quicker he fucks off the better!
This also somewhat misses the point ? raised persistently by some ? that the idea of Conflict of Interest as it might conventionally apply to Everton Directors was thrown out the window when Wyness signed his contract. The fact is he was allowed by Everton FC to do business on the side. Stadium development... sure! So there wouldn’t actually be an issue even if he was doing what is claimed in this "story" ? he had carte blanche to do whatever the hell he wanted!
Easy, Michael! :)
To be fair to Mike Cowhig, he?s not the first to put forth that exact scenario with regard to Wyness and even if it isn?t true, Wyness? departure did not happen in isolation.
There is enough going on at Everton this summer to ask the question, "what the hell is going on at my club?!" ? the Wyness debacle is just one component, and Mike even mentions the lack of players in the next sentence to support his frustrated cry.
This site has never shunned interesting rumour in the past and just because we?re all getting a little fatigued by reckless speculation right now doesn?t mean we should shoot every messenger. The truth ? or elements of it ? is very likely somewhere in all the nonsense we?ve been wading through this week.
To be fair to Mike Cowhig, he?s not the first to put forth that exact scenario with regard to Wyness and even if it isn?t true, Wyness? departure did not happen in isolation.
There is enough going on at Everton this summer to ask the question, "what the hell is going on at my club?!" ? the Wyness debacle is just one component, and Mike even mentions the lack of players in the next sentence to support his frustrated cry.
This site has never shunned interesting rumour in the past and just because we?re all getting a little fatigued by reckless speculation right now doesn?t mean we should shoot every messenger. The truth ? or elements of it ? is very likely somewhere in all the nonsense we?ve been wading through this week.
Lyndon, it?s not the rumour per se but the extrapolation from the rumour that is becoming just a little fatiguing. Everyone who was clamouring for an answer to that question has been provided it in the words of Bill and Dave... if they chose to listen.
The promises have been made. Are we going to encourage people to continue to rant and rave like this or are we going to encourage them to wait and see if the promises are fulfilled?
The promises have been made. Are we going to encourage people to continue to rant and rave like this or are we going to encourage them to wait and see if the promises are fulfilled?
I think sometimes with some things, we will never know. Why did the Estonia sink? Who killed Jill Dando? Why did Bully resign? Why did the Munich massacre happen? Who shot JFK?... on and on until something else grabs our intention-span-lacking minds. I sadly suspect the same is true of Bully. There will be so much more to worry about in the coming weeks, that the nature around his leaving will no longer carry importance. For me, the main thing is he is gone, and that is the best summer business any club can boast. DK to get called in next, and then at last we can rid ourselves of the calamity that was the irrefutably fat Keith Wyness. Gone, very quickly forgotten.
Michael Kenrick...I?m confused:
Are you saying Wyness was allowed to deal for players for other clubs?
If he was (per his contract) then why would BK give him a bollocking?
I?m not trying to drag the posting out, just seeking clarification from you.
Are you saying Wyness was allowed to deal for players for other clubs?
If he was (per his contract) then why would BK give him a bollocking?
I?m not trying to drag the posting out, just seeking clarification from you.
I very rarely post on here, but this type of shite makes my blood boil! Its pretty clear the ivory tower is trying to do business but it's a tough environment right now unless you want to get hosed. R Keane to Liverpool for £20m?? Go figure! Have some patience and the team will be reinforced both in the Summer and in January. For all of Moyes?s faults, I think he is a pretty savvy businessman when it comes to finding gems.
Martin, as a Director of Everton Football Club Co Ltd it was not considered a Conflict of Interest for him to operate his own business on the side, or to participate in any transactions that may be of interest to EFC. This is Article 22.2 of Everton's Articles of Association:
In plain English, there is no Conflict of Interest if you are an Everton Director ? you can do whatever you want!!!
KW's business was involved in some aspects of new stadium development, a more obvious Conflict of Interest with his position as Everton CEO would be hard to imagine... except perhaps acting as broker for player transfers to other clubs. I?m not saying he had express permission to do the latter regarding players, but it is hardly much of a stretch... and yes, you could argue it would make the rumoured bollocking highly unlikely.
Michael, people may well have been given "an" answer by Kenwright and Moyes but you?re asking them to tale it all at face value and that, as history as shown, is a big ask.
If Mike is like me, he?ll be highly dubious of the official line.
In august 2004 following a summer disturbingly similar to this after Birch had left and Rooney has been sold, Kenwright point blank told Sky reporter Alan Myers that players would "absolutely definitely" be signed by the deadline which was 3 days away.
Not one player arrived. That was the last time I took anything Bill Kenwright said at face value and the wisdom of my decision has been borne out ever since.
If Mike is like me, he?ll be highly dubious of the official line.
In august 2004 following a summer disturbingly similar to this after Birch had left and Rooney has been sold, Kenwright point blank told Sky reporter Alan Myers that players would "absolutely definitely" be signed by the deadline which was 3 days away.
Not one player arrived. That was the last time I took anything Bill Kenwright said at face value and the wisdom of my decision has been borne out ever since.
Michael
I don’t have access to the full articles, but isn’t the purpose of those paragraphs to allow anybody to be a director of the company in some capacity (e.g. in a non-executive role), thus allowing a variety of expertise to be present on the board?
For example, if Everton wish to move to a new stadium, the articles do not forbid having somebody on the board who is currently involved in the stadium design business; after all, such a person’s knowledge would be very useful.
They do no, as I understand it, forbid further restrictions being placed upon him by his employment contract for his specific role. A CEO would certainly have restrictions placed on him in regards to working with/for competitors (in any industry).
You state "In plain English, there is no Conflict of Interest if you are an Everton Director ? you can do whatever you want!!! " when in fact it is the contra that is true: being an Everton director does not stop you doing anything you want to do (but something else might).
I don’t have access to the full articles, but isn’t the purpose of those paragraphs to allow anybody to be a director of the company in some capacity (e.g. in a non-executive role), thus allowing a variety of expertise to be present on the board?
For example, if Everton wish to move to a new stadium, the articles do not forbid having somebody on the board who is currently involved in the stadium design business; after all, such a person’s knowledge would be very useful.
They do no, as I understand it, forbid further restrictions being placed upon him by his employment contract for his specific role. A CEO would certainly have restrictions placed on him in regards to working with/for competitors (in any industry).
You state "In plain English, there is no Conflict of Interest if you are an Everton Director ? you can do whatever you want!!! " when in fact it is the contra that is true: being an Everton director does not stop you doing anything you want to do (but something else might).
Actually Michael based on what you have published an Everton Director can only partake in dealings as long as he keeps the board informed at all times, and as long as it is in the interest of the company, Everton FC, or a related corporate body.
Therefore if he got involved in transfer dealings for another club this would be deemed as against the interests of the company hence the bollocking.
Naturally the context of the content you have shown is dependent on other parts of the act so it could say elsewhere that he can do what he wants, but solely based on what you showed he can’t
Therefore if he got involved in transfer dealings for another club this would be deemed as against the interests of the company hence the bollocking.
Naturally the context of the content you have shown is dependent on other parts of the act so it could say elsewhere that he can do what he wants, but solely based on what you showed he can’t
I was with Michael Kenrick until I read this by Lyndon -
"In August 2004 following a summer disturbingly similar to this after Birch had left and Rooney has been sold, Kenwright point blank told Sky reporter Alan Myers that players would "absolutely definitely" be signed by the deadline which was 3 days away."
I actually forgot he said this, which makes me think I have forgot other lies BK has told over the years.
Can anyone give me a top 5 of BK?s biggest, fattest lies since he was made chairman just to jog my memory.
"In August 2004 following a summer disturbingly similar to this after Birch had left and Rooney has been sold, Kenwright point blank told Sky reporter Alan Myers that players would "absolutely definitely" be signed by the deadline which was 3 days away."
I actually forgot he said this, which makes me think I have forgot other lies BK has told over the years.
Can anyone give me a top 5 of BK?s biggest, fattest lies since he was made chairman just to jog my memory.
If he was sitting in his office supplied by Everton FC, using his Everton FC phone, to arrange transfer deals for another football club then I?d say that?s a sackable offence for any CEO.
And he was.
He turned up yesterday to discuss his pay off. He was told he won?t be getting one.
Unless of course he?s got something on the people in charge that they wouldn?t want making public.
And he was.
He turned up yesterday to discuss his pay off. He was told he won?t be getting one.
Unless of course he?s got something on the people in charge that they wouldn?t want making public.
Thanks for the feedback, Michael.
However, aside from making matters even murkier, I would say that (and others seem to agree) that attempting to tie up a player deal for another team is not what was intended by that contract.
However, aside from making matters even murkier, I would say that (and others seem to agree) that attempting to tie up a player deal for another team is not what was intended by that contract.
I can?t for the life of me imagine that BK or DM for that matter would be happy knowing Wyness was putting time in for another team.....supposedly EFC are working 24/7 to bring players in......so where on earth did he find the time, letalone the permission!
BUT... just like any other aspect of EFC, what the fuck do I know... when it?s on the back of the shirt (as they say) then I?ll know it?s FACT!
I'd like to apologise to Michael Kenrick for annoying him so much with my post...
The only reasoning behind it was something I was told that I was told was reliable. Anyway, we are never going to find out because our club will never tell us the whole story/truth or will just keep quiet! And if you can't worry as an Evertonian this summer with everything that has gone on then you are deluded! No-one can say they are happy with the state the club is being run!
The only reasoning behind it was something I was told that I was told was reliable. Anyway, we are never going to find out because our club will never tell us the whole story/truth or will just keep quiet! And if you can't worry as an Evertonian this summer with everything that has gone on then you are deluded! No-one can say they are happy with the state the club is being run!
The Articles of Association were probably drawn up when the board of directors constituted the local butcher, clergy, factory owner, and Lord of the manor. Of course they could have other interests because football was their hobby or their community role...they earned their money elsewhere........As CEO was Wyness actually a Director under the AofA and it would be his contract of employment that determined his modus operandi with respect to other business interests...........
Ive got one for you, Paul: Kenwright promised us that he would make EFC the most transparant club in the country and keep the fans well informed.
I know the real reason for Bully Beefs departure.
He wants Real Mallorca to build a new "High-Quality, Effectively Free stadium" on the neighbouring island of Ibiza.
It’s true because he said "The transport is going to be the best in the country and that it’s the deal of the century"
The Spaniards took it hook line and sinker.
He wants Real Mallorca to build a new "High-Quality, Effectively Free stadium" on the neighbouring island of Ibiza.
It’s true because he said "The transport is going to be the best in the country and that it’s the deal of the century"
The Spaniards took it hook line and sinker.
Well Mike Kenrick, it looks like Mike Cowhig was right according to the Observer today and other broadsheets everything he said was correct. Well done to mike and hope he will be reciving a full apology.
Paul
BK?s Biggest Lies?
Still struggling to whittle them down to a top 5; that?s before putting them in order
Have they got to be EFC-related? I like the one about Tommy Steele taking Elvis out on the lash in London and starting a fight with British soldiers in the Pimlico Tram.
BK?s Biggest Lies?
Still struggling to whittle them down to a top 5; that?s before putting them in order
Have they got to be EFC-related? I like the one about Tommy Steele taking Elvis out on the lash in London and starting a fight with British soldiers in the Pimlico Tram.
Please we don^t want a bun fight between Michael and Lyndon.
But then again it keeps everyone honest.
Great site people and look forward to new season.All the best.
But then again it keeps everyone honest.
Great site people and look forward to new season.All the best.
Michael:
The conflict of interest thing is right though... imagine if directors could not have other interests and make other deals for their other businesses? Who would be at Everton - or any club for that matter - if that was the case?
The conflict of interest thing is right though... imagine if directors could not have other interests and make other deals for their other businesses? Who would be at Everton - or any club for that matter - if that was the case?
John Charles, I guess a lot of it comes down to a legal interpretation of the application of those Articles, versus a morale sense of what’s right and wrong. At some point, there is a Conflict of Interest. It struck me that, the way they were written removes any and all possibility of there being such a thing as Conflict of Interest for an Everton Director.
Johnny Vicks... you’ll have to help me here. It was rumoured elsewhere that The Plumber wanted Wyness for Real Mallorca. The Plumber then denied that. The Observer says (paraphrasing) maybe The Plumber wants Wyness to run Real Mallorca, but remains silent on the rumour in this thread that Wyness was forced to resign from EFC because he was lining up players for Mallorca. Did I miss anything?
Johnny Vicks... you’ll have to help me here. It was rumoured elsewhere that The Plumber wanted Wyness for Real Mallorca. The Plumber then denied that. The Observer says (paraphrasing) maybe The Plumber wants Wyness to run Real Mallorca, but remains silent on the rumour in this thread that Wyness was forced to resign from EFC because he was lining up players for Mallorca. Did I miss anything?
Michael
This will probably go unseen as it’s dropped off the front page - hopefully as site admin you will see it.
You say "It struck me that, the way they were written removes any and all possibility of there being such a thing as Conflict of Interest for an Everton Director."
The wording in the Articles is straight from the Companies Acts. It’s bog standard. Almost all companies have the same wording, and as I’m sure you agree, most CEO are subject to conflict of interest rules within their employment contracts.
As I said earlier, it says that just being a director doesn’t forbid you from having other interests purely because of his office as a director.
It does not forbid any further employment contract that WOULD forbid it. Also note there are many other forms of conflict of interest other than an interest in a relevent business, including excessive director loans and such, that are still forbidden.
This will probably go unseen as it’s dropped off the front page - hopefully as site admin you will see it.
You say "It struck me that, the way they were written removes any and all possibility of there being such a thing as Conflict of Interest for an Everton Director."
The wording in the Articles is straight from the Companies Acts. It’s bog standard. Almost all companies have the same wording, and as I’m sure you agree, most CEO are subject to conflict of interest rules within their employment contracts.
As I said earlier, it says that just being a director doesn’t forbid you from having other interests purely because of his office as a director.
It does not forbid any further employment contract that WOULD forbid it. Also note there are many other forms of conflict of interest other than an interest in a relevent business, including excessive director loans and such, that are still forbidden.
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I usually hate it when people feel the need to write "Get a grip" in their posts... but in this case you and the rest of the rumour-mongering worrywarts who extrapolate this nonsense out of all proportion really need to get some help. Post these rumours if you must but they are getting more ridiculous by the minute. Do you really have to react to them as if there were actually true?Have a look at how many we have posted. Then ask yourself how many actually prove to be valid. Reasonably concrete things like "Wyness has resigned" and "Johnson fails medical"... but these ones purporting to provide the "real reason"... I'm sorry. Goodison and the pubs of Liverpool are unfortunately rife breeding grounds for this sort of nonsense.
All week, everyone was clambering abroad the "Silence form Goodison is deafening" bandwagon... now they have heard The Word they demanded from both Blue Bill and Davey boy... yet STILL we have this rubbish being posted. There's only one place where the club is a shambles... in your head!